Ochelli Effect 2 27 2026 Friday with B Pete and no Callers

discussion with Larry didn't go well. But upgrades are a coming, so sometime in April we should be on a completely different platform. Also still on the existing platforms as per usual, just expanding and we're gonna see what happens when the Ocell Effect goes live on Rumble, because I'm not gonna bother with YouTube, which is an unfortunate thing, but uh look, uh Google told me I'm unwanted, so therefore we're not

going there anyway. It's gonna be an interesting test, not only for my dwindling audience, but for the people I partner with and we're going to see who puts in some skin into the game because that's the only way the game is going to get played, uh from now on.

And uh oh. In that regard, we do have Aaron comeing live at ten pm Eastern tonight, so the Age of Transitions will happen, and then Uncle the podcast will be live also at eleven pm Eastern, So you know, stick around and keep listening to the Ocelli dot com radio feed if you're hearing us live, and if not, you're hearing a podcast, and that stuff is likely on the feed or soon to be there. Anyway, There it is, there, it was, and that's what it is. You can join

in with this if you like. You me, my co host b Pete is with me, and uh you can do that too. Three one nine five two seven five

zero one six. That's the number to call. And you know, when we go over to the video thing, I was just telling Bpte, we're gonna have to figure out a way to kind of like, you know, put one of those banners that keeps running by, that keeps telling you the number to call in which I think Aaron does on the stream for Uncle already on the various platforms, and we'll see how many things we can plug into, uh maybe with riverside as, are as, our you know,

off off site software, and we'll see if that's the conduit for us, you know, but a whole year that's going to be paid for by an anonymous benefactor, So we shall see how that goes and see if I get rejected over there. I have a feeling not so much.

I think we're gonna actually rebuild the audience that has slowly been destroyed over the past couple of years, because you know, we're down to just a couple thousand people really and at one point, oh, it's more like one hundred thousand people listening to what it is I was doing.

But now audio not in vogue. You got to be out there with a YouTube channel, you know, that's the only way to be somebody, apparently that and have an interesting Twitter account excuse me x account, you know, and and put on douchebags like Bart Sebrel to tell you that the moon landing was faked. You know, That's that's

the key to success, Joe Rogan. Well, that and also to declare yourself the king of comedy even though you're not funny, but anyway, you know, it is a thing, and podcasting is now not just a joke, it is something else. And is there alternative media? Maybe we'll get into that discussion tonight. And my annoyance with a whole bunch of emails from people who seem to think that it's a surprise to me that I was correct again about what's happening to the mainstream corporate media. But you know,

I'm getting bored with this. You hate me because I tell you something you don't want to hear. Six months later, you figure out what's happening. Then you email me and tell me you're sorry. You didn't support me for six months, and guess what the punchline is. You still don't support me, so you know you're not getting your emails red on air. I do read all the crap in the box, though it's that simple. If you actually supported me, I might read or reference your emails. Just ask my friends who

do that. Anyway, enough of the personal stuff, let's try to have some fun because I don't want to discuss the state of the union. I already made my statement about that. I gave you guys a snap who news with as little commentary for me as possible. You got Larry Hancock this week and now be Pete. So you know my co host who is going to carry over to the new platform, and hopefully we'll bring Aaron and

Uncle over there as well. But who knows who else might join the network in the transitional period, which I hope to begin in April. So stick around and listen, pay attention and watch for the media spheres for that. Anyways, that I put in a nice long plug for about what four minutes almost Pete, Pete, How are you doing this week before we get to any callers or anything, because God knows what they might have to say this week.

State of the Union. I didn't watch it. I don't care. All I know is my pizza index is telling us we're getting screwed royally. You used to can get three tombstone pizzas for ten bucks. Now you're lucky if you can find two for ten bucks. It's getting ridiculous. Number Three in the UK turmoil. They just had an election. They've got their great gangs going on. You know, if you know what I mean, Tommy Robinson had to flee.

And to tell you the power of suggestion, I was listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers when I wrote that down and spelled flee fla no figure.

good note. But there's been some questionable picks over years, and that is they have nominated Shakira for a position. I believe Luther Vandross was also one of the people that they're nominating for induction, and controversies aside. For years has been said that a bunch of non music people are showing favoritism when they make these selections. But I found out some things about Shakira. I didn't know that

woman is fifty years old. Now, anybody the feminine skin care beauty products business is a multi billion dollar business. All you've got to do is go ask Shakira whatever the hell she's been doing and do that. I have never seen a more well preserved fifty year old anything than her. She had to look a day over her late twenties. She's awesome. But on top of that, you know, to be considered you have to go twenty five years since your first commercial release, and she had I think

four albums. She had four albums out before she even hit the English market. She was predominantly on the Latin market. In fact, she's probably more influential than a lot of people you would think for bringing Latin music into the mainstream.

in our thinking really quickly. Here. So shall I go with your your toplet of your list or the bottom of your list? First? Oh?

I see there. I mean literally, we just watched, you know, the Epstein hearings go sideways with Hillary Clinton come out with a straight face saying a dude, nothing, So you know, what do you what are we supposed to believe here? Is that a real relevance to you, to anybody in reality? Or is that just one of those like remnants of a time when we still had an idea about a national idea entity that didn't put us at each other's throats necessarily. I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

Is it relevant even? And why is it relevant to you? That's my question.

it was amazing. It was, you know, Gretzky.

and and Gretzky argue with it. You know. It's like Michael Jordan. You might not like him, but damn you got to say he was an incredible player, right, I mean, Mike Tyson despicable human being, awesome to watch fight. I mean, I'm just saying there is something too.

you know before you were Americans. I was going to ask a new once question. Okay, let me cancel my question.

the way, is the Team USA thing. You know, for a long long time, it used to be if you were a professional athlete, you couldn't be in the Olympics, right. You had to be an amateur. You had to be somebody who relied on other people to support you in a weird, sort of convoluted way as opposed to being a directly paid professional. That's how you got disqualified from being in the Olympics at one point. And then that sort of switched, right, and we have Team USA basketball.

We had the major league players, you know, famously honest. Yeah, good, I'll be honest.

well that how come they're not considered professional. They're being covered by their country, right, you know, all their expenses, they live a good life, and so that's what brought the argument out, and they said, okay, well we'll open it up to pros. I mean, look what has done to the Summer Olympics in basketball now that you got the Dream team every year that they call it, although sometimes it's a nightmare of a dream, but still, I mean, I think they should go back to amateur status.

allowing ours. And I remember this whole argument going on when I was much younger because of the Team USA baseball, and we assembled a hell of a team, the Team USA, if you remember anything, it was like what eighty six or eighty seven. They blasted like every pro we had pretty much they asked to play in the Olympics, didn't they. So,

I mean it was crazy. But here's the thing. When you don't have a level playing field, right and they say, well, we're going to send our young people to play your young people, and their young people are in their twenties and our young people are in their teens, it usually is not a good matchup or vice versa, right, Or they say, look, we have a pro team. You have a pro team, and our girls show up and their guys show up. This is not a level playing field.

I don't care what anybody says, liberal or conservative about this. Guys versus girls in any sport is uneven at best, if not dangerous. So the thing is, you know, at the end of the day, it is more about the

tribalism than the sport. So I always find it interesting when people take a secondary or a voyeuristic pride into it and it's like it's part of them now, even though you had nothing to do with the corporate sponsorships, You had nothing to do with the people that actually slaved away in order to achieve amateur status, to get into the Olympics, to qualify, who dedicated their lives to stuff,

you know, and all that, and you weren't invested. But now that they slapped the right colors on these people's chests, which by the way, not all of our players might even necessarily have been born in the USA or whatever else, that's okay because that's the way the America works, right. We import a lot of people. This is how almost all of us got here anyway, you know, And and importation could take on many different terms. I don't want

to hear about it. The point is, this is not something that I feel personally vested in, and I'm just always fascinated by somebody who does. So anyway, let's move on to the next. What was the next thing you brought up in order after the Olympics was a.

it's cool. But I say, I don't object anything you have to say. Good. I'm just saying I'm just trying to fit is my personal view on it. But okay, go ahead.

So to I'm not going to give an hour and forty seven minutes to the upa loompa that wants to sit there and show the world what a flaming narcissist he is. See, I just can't do it.

the way. I don't know if he kept it for real or if it was just for the photo op, but I mean he actually brought those guys out as a special announcement in the midst of the State of the Union address while telling us that we are the hottest country ever, We are in the Golden Age of America. Everything is great, USA USA, and that he has fixed the economy. Everything is, you know, so much cheaper since

he's been in office and all that stuff. And it sounds to me like that's exactly the kind of cheerleading that you would want to do if you're into the tribal just slap on the official coat of USA USA for the moment. But you disagree with him. Is it because of his narcissism or is it because of the delusional rambling? Or is it because of the length? What is the big turn off for you personally?

can't run again. You know, he's going to make the best of it and make it all about Donald One. I can't stand a narcissist at all. I mean, if you want to get up there and tell the state of the union, tell the state of the union. But if you employ a bunch of people and you're paying them a bunch of damn tax dollars to do what they're supposed to do, you would think they could fact check a few things before you get up there and

start making comments. What was it he said something like three or was it three hundred million or something people? And I'm sitting there thinking, there's only three hundred and fifty million people in the damn country. Where do you get this three hundred million?

And don't you think fact checkers are a little exhausted from getting yelled at that they have trumped arrangement syndrome. I mean, I would not bother if that was my business. I would be, you know, working at a drive through somewhere, because at least i'd be serving people something they wanted.

Nobody wants the fact checking and the people that know that facts need to be checked here, and the facts are not in existence in most of the speech, guess what, they know it automatically, So the fact checkers serve no purpose. And it seems to me like it's perfectly appropriate for what the majority seems to have decided in this country is reality. And I got to say, there is a scientific basis for the observer changing the reality itself by perception.

There's a whole quantum physics argument about this, where the physical reality can literally change based on the way people are observing it. And I'm starting to understand the twisted rationalizations of the world around me. But you can look at the last snap who news for the formula on that hint. It does involve agreeing with being in agreeance

with one another about certain things or not. But anyway, so I just find it interesting because I think it was perfectly appropriate and not even really worthy of commentary for the most part, because did you expect anything different. I'm not surprised by any of it, and the fact that he was at least able to set yet another record by making it the longest state of the Union I think in history, or at least in modern history for sure. Time wise, I don't know. It just seems

to track. So, you know, the objection and the demonizing the Democrats and pulling out you know, Team USA as if there were his own personal action figures and all of that and trying to point to hey, listen, I've got the mother of a murdered person, and that's who we're doing the ice thing for over here on the side. And yeah, it all tracks, plus even pointing at the you know, the the Supreme Court, which he says, hey, listen, Supreme Court shot me down. I'm very disappointed, but I'm

just gonna go ahead and reinstate the tariffs again. All of this tracks. I don't see why there's any shocks, surprise, or even interest in watching it, So I don't blame you for not watching it. But at the same time, I'm confused by the you know, still insistence of people about complaining about what you know. It's like saying, man, I'm gonna be real pissed when the sun comes up tomorrow.

This is just what's going to happen now. And the only objection I have in your whole set of statements really is you really think he's not going to try for a third term. You really think that's not going to happen one way or another. Seriously, No, I don't think so.

any sort of anything. Because if you track back and realistically look at maybe what the media didn't cover, but if you take a look back at Secret Service records, and you take a look back at stuff that they have memorialized in publicly accessible documents, quite honestly, he has not had a high frequency of attempts on him, as opposed to some of our very recent presidents, including Bush and Obama. Guess what now, I don't know Biden's assassination

attempt record. I mean, you know, there is such a thing as beating a dead horse or shooting a corpse. I guess, so no point there. But I don't know the statistics. But so far from what I can observe from Trump's first term and this one, even what we know publicly is actually relatively non eventful. There's always assassination against our president, every single one of them. There have been attempts. Sometimes, you know, stupidity blocks the assassination attempt.

Occasionally the Secret Service takes care of it. Sometimes accidental things happen. Sometimes a guy shows up with, you know, a semi automatic rifle at the White House, goes all the way in the residence and the guy's not home. That's happened a few times. Okay, just saying, given our history, to be honest with you, he hasn't even suffered a relatively high amount of incidents when it comes to this

so far. But you know, then again, everybody's telling me that a civil war is coming, So what do I know? So would you mind moving to the next topic, because now I've totally forgotten it. Was it shakiri yet or are we onto something else next?

there is in the US. Honestly when it comes to people in power.

trade data, uh, giving it to Epstein and possibly influencing markets. Uh. There was also a lot of emails covering when Libya fell and Epstein was talking to people about you know, how can we how can we benefit off this monetarily? What do we need to do? And apparently Andrew was giving him info then on trade deals and and certain information that was supposed to not be public, but come to find out through emails, the now king his brother knew about this. So they arrested Andrew. He got out

on bail. They're investigating him funneled. Funny that they're not doing much in the way of investigating him towards the Virginia Giuffrey situation, which I fell into a rabbit hole this week, and also I'll fill you in on but they're going after him for this business deal thing. Now, if the King knew about it, that's where they're starting to say, Okay, well, what are you going to do?

We already have evidence that the King knew that his brother was pulling this shit, didn't do anything about it, didn't do anything until recently by stripping his titles. Are we going to drag the king into it? And is he going to have to step down which will then bring in the golden child William. So it's interesting to see how this was going to play out well kind of.

conspiracy guy. But the reality is that a whole bunch of this stuff back, yeah, goodhead.

till he finally got busted. I mean, he's crazy.

they want to hear it from. And that's the funny thing where Okay, you know, for a while there it was nobody but the conspiracy people and a couple of people that were involved in things directly, and believe it or not, like him or not, Ed Opperman was directly involved in some of those cases, which is why I had him on talking around some of them because he couldn't disclose stuff that he had signed paperwork on, but he was letting certain things be known. Okay, so when

did I start having him on twenty fourteen. Sorry, I didn't take the podcast live till twenty fourteen. Anyway, that's when I was talking about it with people that you know, had some information as best we could gather it. And that was without any of these you know files. Okay, these files now vindicate a whole bunch of stuff that

we were told we were crazy about talking about. So now, the funny thing is the right wing fringe media picked up on it for a little while because they thought it paired nicely with Pizzagate, which you know, still to this day is remarkable to me that with no proof, we're going to keep insisting that happened, just because of

weirdness and because people are you know. And the funny part is there are patterns of discussion in some of the Epstein files that are still being ignored, that are coded okay, like there is a whole Pizzagate type thing happening, but it ain't Pizzagate in the Epstein files. And yeah, I talked about it years ago and nobody's talking about it yet and nobody wants to hear it from me.

So am I gonna take all my time and invest into No, But the funny thing is right wing fringe media picked up on it because it paired nicely with Pizzagate and they could go after the Democrats. Then it was found out that you know who your golden boy is. That's an in all this, I mean practically, it's not like Trump is in the Epstein files. It's like Epstein is in the Trump files. It's like who got their peanut butter in my chocolate? Or but their chocolate and

my peanut butter over there. This guy is all sorts of involved with him. People in his cabinet are involved with him, and nope, paying no attention to that. Uh, from the other side. And now the left wingers, but the left wingers who are completely hip. Wait, wait, wait, let me get to the hypocrisy of the left. Don't cut me off until I balance it. The hypocrisy of the left is they didn't give a damn about any of it until it pointed in the right direction, the

same as the right wing. And now we are literally witnessing this circus of an oversight committee yelling at people and then not answering questions, yelling back, and it is a completely incongruous and nonsense conversation. I mean, it is like the clown shoes have taken over the entire circus and that's all there is to it. And then there's a lot of people out there going, well, what about

the actual crimes. Yeah, nobody's getting prosecuted, and Galaine has puppy time in her minimum security situation for being a sex trafficker. And that's the funny thing is that trafficking, which is funny to me, also has changed in its terminology. Wait a minute, it's changed in its terminology because now even simple prostitution is being called trafficking, which convolutes the whole issue and makes it into something else. But meanwhile,

who's getting prosecuted, who's getting taken to task? Is anybody going to ask for yet another deposition from Trump or anybody else in the cabinet whose name is in the files? And you can also find Jackie the joke Man in those files, by the way, if you want to just go for name recognition. But it is amazing to me the like pick your poison, as far as what you're not going to pay attention to regarding this thing. And it's an issue being kicked around constantly, and that's all

it's gonna be. I'm sorry, to say, guys, they are going to neutralize this by confusion. That's it, and it's gonna be for the benefit of guess what, everybody in power, everybody who had dirt on them, and nobody's gonna finally talk about any of the stuff that is still valid as all sorts of blackmail that nobody seems to know where it is. They can't show it, you know, on and on and on. So But meanwhile, cash Pateel can go party with the hockey team in Italy when they win.

I mean, he's got time for that, and he can jet over there do that. But yeah, somebody solved this. No, they're not going to is my whole thing? Go ahead, say whatever you want. I'm done.

they're looking out for you, and they're not. But Massey has just made this massive little cult following him and Marjorie Taylor Green, although she's not there anymore. She got her damn retirement and hauled ass, so screw her. But these two have gotten together and formed this little cult over Oh, yes, the names, the names. You know, Massey has been saying for what four months now, I've got a list of ten or twenty people that they are

not going to release, and I'm going to release. Well, they released four names and people with nuts over it, and come to find out people were getting docs who were simply in a lineup that was used for one of these I think it was when Epstein was arrested the second time they had some lineup information. Anyway, come to find out two of the guys that were using the lineup didn't even know who the hell Epstein was. One of them was an auto mechanic in New York

or something. Anyway, he puts these names out there, the names that he's put out there. You and I both knew back in twenty fourteen. It's nothing new, but they're trying to make some big damn headline out of it. And it's like, I told you there is no list. What if we found out there is no list. I've told you. Epstein this whole time was not working for Mosad,

and Epstein was working for himself. Now, he had a lot of clients, He had a lot of customers for the crap he had, including the CIA, the FBI, MOSAD, every other intelligence agency that had the money could go to Epste and get whatever the hell they wanted. He was working for himself. This is not some huge Jewish cabal that is running the world, and they put Epstein out there. Epstein above all else was worried about Epstein, and Epstein was working for himself. I don't care what

anybody says. You're never going to get me to change my mind. Now on the letting the files out there, I don't understand why they can't sit down and redact whatever Victim's name victim and I put that in quotes because you can redact that. But why are we getting emails from Epstein that has somebody else redacted? When you read the information in the body of the email. They say, Oh, well,

it's to protect the privacy of people who were innocent. Well, how in the hell do you know if they're innocent. Put their damn names out there and let these people start investigating this crap, because it's going to be the independent guys out there digging holes, one of which I came across the other day that got into this whole Virgin give your Geffrey thing, and how her story has changed twenty times since the beginning, and every time it changed,

money was changed hands. So you know, I see a victim. According to some of the stuff I've read in the past week, she was just as guilty as the rest of them. She was just as bad as EPs. She was making her money off bringing her friends in and letting them get paid, and she was getting a cut, plain and simple. Epstein had the money to burn, and he burned it. Also read some information on his first case down in Florida and what the legal wranglings were

behind that. And I'll tell you what, that guy he got set up big time, big time. And not only did they set him up, but they set him up purposely to tell him we'll create a list of people that we say are victims, and we're going to allow those people to sue you. In fact, we're even going to provide lawyers to cover them to take care of suing you. And then we're going to build you for the damnly eagle fees. That's how bad he got hit

over a dan pandering charge. Okay, plain and simple. Well that was a railroad, and you can see from then how things got so screwed up.

the next thing. But here's the parts that I guaranteed you haven't looked at, which is the casual discussions of torture, porn being exchanged, and you know, and cannibalism possibly occurring in emails along with along with you know, listen, here's the list of innocent names we're not going to publish being published because of the absolute chaos with which nobody

knows how to redact. You know, it's like they were expert as far as keeping you know, parts of files redacted from us for many, many decades regarding JFK stuff

until they weren't. And you know, it seems like, I don't know, maybe your girl Tulsa over there is not the best head or needs to hire better people, because she doesn't even have people knowing how to sort these things properly, apparently missing deadlines and not dropping the files like they're supposed to, and releasing the wrong stuff and hilariously supposed Yeah, well that's true, that is true on top of true. But she can only also do what

she knows how to do. And I don't believe for a second that she knows how to handle a massive amount of data like this. Okay, I just don't see it in her skill set based on what we know about her history. It doesn't. I mean, miraculous organizer.

ain't my job. Here's what we're going to do. Each individual department is going to handle their corrections or redactions, whatever the hell you want to call it, and we're going to put this shit out there. They haven't even got the JFK files out there. They were supposed to

do that years ago. Now we're worried about this massive amount of data, and folks, there may be a of a lot more because what has come out is Epstein cleared out a lot of places and had shit put into storage, and they're still trying to track down the storage units where all these shit's boxed up. So you think there's six million files now, there may be another six million files come out before it's all said and done. This is not going to end anytime soon.

It might be puppy time for someone that looks an awful lot like Michael o' myers when it gets up in the morning.

the past. But in order to do it efficiently, quickly and with good skills intact on all aspects of construction, you would bring in people that know how to do those things, and you would assemble a proper team. And that clearly was not done. So the head of National Security did not assemble or oversee a team.

Pam Bondi. Now she goes to Cash and says, I want this, and Cash says no and goes run into Pam, and Pam says no. Part of the problem that you're dealing with here is Pam Bondy in her position, not being able to get all those agencies under the Justice Department to do what the hell they're supposed to do. Now, I don't know, I've heard there have been some rumblings between Tulsi and a few of these people in front in charge of these other things. And that's the problem

that you're seeing. She's you know, yes, you're right, she should have hired the people to come in. We don't know that she didn't. And the DOJ and the FBI all said, oh, hell no, no you're not. That's something you have to take into consideration. Oh yeah, because Pam Bondi and Patrick and Cash to tell I don't understand why they're still employed, let alone in this administration. I'm surprised they haven't had their ass fired and then nobody would hire them later on.

it with just the best people available to them right away. No, Sometimes they had to go outside, Sometimes they had to get innovative, sometimes they had to import training.

But with that being the case, and the fact that we haven't just you know, self inflicted wounded our asses off of the planet already, with all these you know, jabbering monkeys in place, it must mean that that something

gets accomplished from time to time. But she has failed to bring together the right group of people that could have overseen this whole thing and could become because every time she gets consulted and then not talked about again, even though she I'm just saying, listen, you want to defend her, you're gonna I could come back and answer you again with you know, look, this is how you

innovate and fix. And we know that none of these people operate according to the standards that we know of in public majority of the time, for good or bad reasons. It just is. So we'll just call that one a stalemate and leave it at that. But I gotta tell you, I still will stick to my position and you'll probably stick to yours. What was the next thing on your list though? Are we getting to shakiri? Oh?

right now, this is absolutely solid numbers. Actually, you're lying to yourselves always because those numbers don't settle down. There are always corrections and adjustments which need to be made because there were misunderstandings in the collection. There was misunderstandings in the data entry, whether a computer or a human being did it. So unless you're dealing with statistics that are a couple of years old and settled, guess what you're dealing with estimations that are based on a whole

bunch of premises that are not settled. So yeah, that's the reality of that. So sorry, And I'm not surprised that it would take until twenty twenty three to you know, from then to now to actually verify and vet the names on the list so that you're not making an error. It takes them three years to tell you about it, and people go, see, he held it for three years.

He's lying. Either way, people will take it as they're either being disingenuous or lying when they delay statistics when the truth is in order to get real solid, confirmed numbers, it's not done instantaneously. I can never understand these arguments. It drives me crazy because people go, oh, well, what about this year's numbers, Well, this year isn't over yet, so you have estimate, you know what I mean, Like

a lot of things can happen. I'm sure in two thousand and one people did not expect a bunch of shifts in public attitudes and behaviors. You know, going into August, they had an idea about the way two thousand and one was going to turn out. Then September eleventh happened. You know what I'm saying. You might think you know what the production is going to be and what people's lives are going to be like in a certain part

of a country or in a country in general. And then as tsunami hits it, there are things that occur that disrupt the estimation and projection. So you have to wait for things to actually occur, and then for the data to be collected, and then for the data to be you know, just looked over, actually verified, And people don't understand that does take time, even with computer and

try to use them. Even if you let the computer do it, you've got to have you know, human human interaction here to double check it because guess what occasionally do to data error entry mistakes by people, The computers make a mistake, and then you've got to go back and readjust it. All kinds of anomalies come up in collecting things. This is why it drives me nuts when people are like, you know, do this math now, and it's like, look, that can't be done accurately. So I'm

not surprised that it takes that long. Now, how relevant do you think? This is my ultimate question? How long do you do you think is it relevant anymore? Actually what's going on at Bohemian growth? Do you think that's still one of those elite super secret but yet we know about it kind of meeting places like the Builder Like you don't hear much about Builderberg. Now, Alex Jones

certainly isn't talking about Builderberg anymore, is he? It was his obsession for many years, but he's not talking about it at all anymore. Matter of fact, I don't think Alex Jones brings up Boheming Grove anymore. Huh. I wonder why, because that was supposed to be the center of the universe, of the grand conspiracies of all and so I'm just curious.

I mean, I'm not saying I agree with Alex Jones, but I'm wondering, from your point of view, how relevant is the weird little queer meeting out in the woods of powerful and rich men in California there, Because that's the way I see it. Let's dress up and let's you know, a cremate care and chant and run around and dresses and do this all in secret in the woods for you know, our vacation time alone. A bunch of guys running around in the woods, and some things

happen that are not exactly heterosexual. Just saying, how relevant is that to the circles of power and actually the true power structure in the country, in the world at this point in your mind, be Pete, what do you think? Is it relevant anymore? Is it a relic of the past, Is it a joke? What do you think?

In the Epstein Files also goes on there, maybe to a smaller degree. Anytime you get that people with that much money and a bunch of I mean, you've got egos, you've got fetishes, you've got shit in the closet, You've got all sorts of stuff going on that people don't hear about every day. They're starting to get a glimpse of what some of these people did through the Episod files and what their hobbies were I mean Bill Gates, look at him. The story on Bill Gates has done

a one eighty from years ago. Oh he's this guy that came up in his garage with his operating system, and he was a brilliant guy. And then he switched into the we want to make a fake everything, so we don't have cows and we don't have butter, and we don't have this. And I got guys in a lab working on all this mad science to shit, and then we have COVID come out, we find out what

happened with the vaccines. I think Bohemian Grove would just be another chapter in weird rich people doing shit that they can't do anywhere else because they get in trouble for it.

would interest somebody like Clarence Thomas. You know, you think about it. Is it just rubbing elbows with you know, rich people? And you can sit down that I'm not a judge, You're not a corporate magnet. You know, we're just out here having a good time. Or does Clarence have a whole bunch of shit in the closet. We don't know about that. We'll probably never know about. But you know it's free kingdg weekend at the Bowiemian Grove.

that bizarre or sophisticated. It's two things. Look, a guy who's gonna have business before the court definitely would like to have a friendly judge there, that is, you know,

super friendly to him. And I think, you know, Thomas is simply not immune to the allure of free vacations, because this guy, when he was asked about a bunch of this stuff pretty much you know, snapped immediately, no lawyer's advice, said, Look, you know, the guy offered me trips and stuff, why wouldn't I go When he was asked about other trips, you know, the hunting trip or whatever,

even though he doesn't hunt. You know, this getaway out of lake on an island that you know, happens to have its own lake and isn't on any normal maps anywhere, doesn't even have a name. All this kind of stuff. And whether they gave him a trip to Bohemian Grove or they gave him a trip to Vegas, what's the difference maybe he just, hey, free vacation, let's go. Why not. Maybe he's just you know, frugal and by the way,

I would take a free trip to Vegas. I'm not sure if I would go to Beemian Grove, but maybe just to see what the hell is going on and be sworn to secrecy and whatnot, so long as I don't have any mandatory participation attached to that trip, you know, or anything else. I mean, I'll go to Vegas. It doesn't mean I gotta get hookers and blow and you know, and blow my whatever money I have, which wouldn't be much,

take me about two minutes. But I mean, you know, would I turn down the free trip and hotel room. I don't know. Maybe not, especially if it's you know, gonna make them friendly in the future for things I might want to do or my wife might want to do. Uh you know, hey, look, this guy can supply my wife with cool stuff. So you know, what he offered me a free trip, I should be friendly and accept it. I don't know, but I don't think it's all that complicated.

I think it's actually just something as simple as that. What are your thoughts, man, I don't know.

I've really not had any interest in it. It's just to me, another example of rich weird people getting together to do stuff with other rich weird people.

thing for you and me? How about like a massive music festival where there's a whole lot of bands where you know, you and I could pick from Colin Ay and Colin be Boy. I'd love to see them again live, or these are people I think have been fascinating, or we're never going to be able to see these groups again. Whatever. Let's think about a twenty twenty six version of Live

Aid that's going to be all day concert. Right. If somebody said, we'll send you to where that is, put you up in the hotel where the musicians are gonna be and give you backstage passes just because we like you. You and I might look at that and go for free for real, And they might say, yeah, and would you go? I might, And I don't care if it was Elon Musk that offered it to me, even though I believe he's going to be partially responsible for destroying

the world at some point. But even if if Elon Musk offered that to us, I would take it, and I definitely consider him to be a super rich weirdo. But definitely you know what I'm saying. So you know, and why not if somebody said, hey, look, just general trip to Vegas. There happens to be a poker tournament there. Tell you what, guys, I'll give you the hotel, plane fair, I'll make sure you get their private jet and your meals are covered all that, Plus you're entered in the

poker tournament. You and I would be hanging out playing cards in Vegas for at least the weekend. You know what I'm saying. Just because, And again, if it was Elon Musk or somebody like that, I would take it. And I'm why not, ain't gonna hurt him and gives me something interesting to do, and who knows how I would do it good?

not aging quickly. There's that, plus she keeps herself in shape, and really she was first known and came to like everybody's attention for her unique way of shaking her ass, which has become a whole other, you know, cultural staple. And you got to admit, dancing is part of rock and roll, and rock and roll is not this you know, easily definable thing. You know, when they say the rock and Roll Hall of Fame, even to call something rock

and roll at this point is weird. Uh. In in our current you know, artistic malaise that we find ourselves in where AI is doing a lot of work, rock and roll is almost an outdated phrase now for somebody to clearly define it. I got to say, when you listen to certain people's definitions of it, they are at the valid and at the same time completely different one way or another. Like there are people that would tell me that let Me Killmeister has nothing to do with

rock and roll. He was a metal guy. Let Me Kill Meister was rock and roll, you know, and so was Guess Berry.

but now he's up for an individual induction. And I could consider Peter Gabriel, Yes, still a part of rock and roll. But when you don't have Motorhead in there. As long as Motorhead was out there pounding live performances, they didn't. Their live performances were asked pnomical compared to albums. You know, you look at King Floyd. They would do a tour every other year, every year for a while, then they didn't for a few years. Now, Damn, Motorhead

was out there pounding the pavement every damn day. Why are they not in there? And why are they not in there when you're considering someone like Shakira. Don't get me wrong, she's a fantastic artist. She puts out good music and correction, she's forty nine. She just turned forty nine February second. I said fifty. I was wrong, Wow, But still at forty nine. God damn, she's the best preserved thing I've ever seen. But still, you know, things

like Motorhead, they're considering Oasis and groups like that. Dolly Parton is in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Motorhead isn't something's wrong there?

staple of music that existed forever. What it did is it cobbled together many things and took on many forms. You know, you could look at the the you know, the blues, which was effectively developed here in the United States, and jazz, which pre existed that by a long time period. Those two things put together do make rock and roll, but they are not the only formula. That's like saying you can only get drunk on vodka. It's it's no good. You know, you got to understand that rock and roll

is not a single drink. It is the bar. And that's well.

you're putting it putting out. It's hard now for rock and roll to be considered rock and roll because it's been devalued and dewatered over the past fifteen twenty years. You don't have rock station. If you have a rock and roll radio station, they're playing shit from Zeppelin and Queen and everybody else. Back in the Dinosaur days, there's not really a lot of new rock bands. So by

diluting it, I don't understand. I don't consider I don't think Dolly Parton should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame unless you can show me all the songs that she wrote for rock and roll artists, which there are very few. Most of her songs that were written that were done by other than country artists. Was pop radio Top forty that's not rock and roll. Rock and roll is a sub section of pop music, or Top forty. Rock and roll is rock and roll. I

don't think Shakira fits. I don't think Luther Vandross would fit into that group. So why are they even in consideration? Maybe I'm more of a purist. I don't know.

sixties to the mid nineties. Is basically ninety nine percent of the music they play, if it's not something new released by an artist from that time period, that's what they play on all these rock stations all across the country. And to me, there is plenty of rock and roll that occurred before that time period and after that time period.

I think Luther Vandros belongs. I think that anybody that introduced an element which especially changed things regarding rock and roll and even influenced it to a heavy degree, is eligible. That's why I think Dolly belongs there, which is weird to probably hear from some people because I'm the heavy metal guy. It took them forever to accept Black Sabbath, which was ridiculous because Black Sabbath literally created a whole

new genre of music from rock and roll. I mean, so this is the evolutionary and the precursors to the thing itself. I think it all qualifies and all belongs to be recognized if it played a part in the overall bar, that's the thing. Not every bar has the super expensive you know, whiskey. But every bar has got some whiskey, and there's a reason, you know what I'm saying. And every bar has the weak little girly drinks, and you know what every other bar has too, is some water.

Almost everything to some degree you know that exists in modern music is either touched by, influenced by, or generated by, or is an element which is then later on added into guess what what I consider to be rock and roll. So there is a circular loop here where even people have complained about hip hop artists, right, they're hip hop, they're not rock, Well what is hip hop? And didn't hip hop then become cycled back into rock music and become part of it as well? See what I'm saying.

It's not a straight line. It's a circular thing that keeps rolling. Literally, that undone rock and roll keeps rolling itself into new things. And even with the stagnation in creation as it exists now, we still see the older elements of pop, electronica and all these things that technically at their inception we're not rock and roll becoming integrated into this huge sort of massive collaboration, collective collaboration that has occurred here as a result of this genre snowballing,

that's rock and roll to me. Now to you, rock and roll might have a different formula. Maybe you could tell me what that formula is. But every time I ask a purist about this, they give me bands, they give me examples, but they don't seem to tell me exactly what the formula is that makes something rock and where it deviates away and becomes something else, or what it lacks in order to not qualify as rock and

roll exactly. It sort of fails in one way or another because I can find an example that'll counter that, even in their own arguments. Usually, So I'm curious, what do you think qualifies as rock and roll? And you want to give me an example, So go ahead.

does as a main emphasis of what he does. I don't think hip hop acts should be in there. The only hip hop act should that should be in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame is was it run DMC with their collab with Aerosmith. Other than that, that's a separate genre of music and the majority of what they do is in that separate genre of music. Who is the guy, oh Jacko Pactorius. He was with Weather Report. They were a jazz group, they were a fusion jazz,

progressive jazz, whatever you want to name them. I wouldn't consider him in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And that guy, sadly he's passed away, but that guy was on the forefront with all of these rock and roll artists way back in the sixties, seventies on up through that eighties.

hop charts are and beach charts, et cetera. But run DMC actually broke straight on into the rock charts with their out and then you know, you know, cashed in on it by collecting with Aerosmith after and then did I think the album was if you can show.

they used to say about obscenity laws. It's really hard to define, but I can tell you what it is when I see it. Rock and roll is kind of the same thing. You hear it, you know, it's rock. This all this other crap is just I don't know. Maybe it's more the cult of personality taken over. But I don't consider Shakira. God bless her. She's an excellent artist. I don't think she deserves to be in the rock and roll all of lame.

with rhythmic stuff has always been part of it. Right even when you saw the earliest possible images of anything called rock and roll with Little Richard and you know and Chuck Berry and these guys you know, back in the fifties even right, you know, dancing was an essential element of it. What about the argument that Shakira basically innovated and created a whole new thing with this whole

what do they call that twerking? I mean, it wouldn't exist without the influence of Shakira and that wild ass shaken that she did. That was really her memorable trait that broke her through into mainstream recognition regardless who even knows what she was singing because people were just mesmerized

by that ass movement. I mean, let's be honest, right, So what about that sort of argument when you have an element that is not necessarily directly related to a formula of music, but might be related to the culture, Because rock and roll is not just a music, it's a culture as well, isn't it.

I mean Rush, that's all progressive rock. Pink Floyd was progressive rock. It was a subunit of rock and roll where albums people would sit down and listen to an album. It wasn't geared again to change from forty five rpm records to full albums. You know, singles were the thing back during Bill Haley and the comments. It progressed into album stage where Okay, we're gonna put fifteen songs on here, and two of them you won't be able to dance to, but you end up sitting there hitting your ball and

listening to them, and it becomes a part. I don't know if there's a progression there in rock, but I don't think past the point to where you include every top forty radio artist in the list.

in a different category. But it is interesting to note that we went from a time period where a musician was like, sell a single and maybe your B side will be happy too, you know, to well, sell a single so that we can sell the album, to concept albums and double albums, you know, the glut of it all, and then they could fit much much more on a CD. You know, on and on it goes. But the evolution there were some steps along the way that necessarily might have been you know, kind of not exactly on the

point of the exact formula you might look for. But it's weird because at the end of the day, it does come down to the what is pornography? Question? Right? Well, I don't know how to describe it, but I know it if I see it. Okay, but that's kind of odd. I'm just saying just my mind, and to my mind, there's a lot of elements that come in, and there's people that don't belong there, that were purely you know, nothing, but marketing me.

roll is. The people at the Grammys, which is not just rock and roll, but the people at the Grammys have no idea what they're doing. They miscategorize everything, and I have no explanation for what goes on at the Grammys. The Grammys are like, you know, listen, my toddler doesn't like ACDC, or my toddler loves ACDC. Either one of these things is not a qualifier or disqualifier for me. It bears no weight on my scale. What the Grammys do?

It's crazy. Maybe we should look at who's doing the voting at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I would think that you would take the inductees and let them vote that before it got to the point that it's at now, Because now it's beyond repair.

But you don't get the accolades. I mean, I don't understand how Iron ma I don't think I is iron I don't think Iron Maiden is in there no, I can Iron Maiden not be considered rock and roll over someone like Shakira.

was and heavy metal for the most part. There's a whole lot of bands that people like consider to be heavy metal bands that really aren't as well. Like AC DC is nothing more than a honestly a kind of a formulaic, repetitive rock band. They've basically been playing the same kind of rips now for I don't know, fifty years. They've gone through two singers, that's not too many, and they've had the same lead guitarist for you know, half a century, and pretty much it's almost like the Ramones.

It's the same song, just slightly rearranged over and over again. And I enjoy them, I do, you know something, not everything, but I enjoy the majority of a CDC's material. But there are some people that would argue to me, that's a heavy metal band. That's not a rock band. I don't even hear heavy metal. That is rock and roll.

of things here, and that's my argument. But again, you know, I get told I'm crazy, you're good.

and it became part of the culture. And there's a lot of people that count him as an influence, et cetera. But I think he's one of the most overrated guys ever to strap on a freaking guitar. Really, I don't understand. It's like, you know, the Oh Wow is a.

of the best. Another example, Patrick Travers, guy out of Canada. He was over in London when the punk scene was kicking off. He couldn't make it over here. He wanted to go over there, started playing clubs. Eventually he came back to the States. But Pat Travers isn't in there. He's got five, i know, five solid rock and roll albums that should put him in consideration. But again, we're talking about Shakira, Luther Vandross well In shouldn't even be in a discussion.

they play the blues, real, real bad. I appreciate that because, you know, when Clapton toured with Stevie Ray, Vaughan. I was really sad that the wrong helicopter crashed. Seriously, Stevie Ray Vaughan was an amazing artist and weirdest looking guy you know. And two other guys who look like they probably just you know, put down the the squeegees at the gas station to come to play drums and bass double Trouble. It was hilarious, but you can't argue with

the results. The guy did things with a guitar that I don't believe other people are able to replicate, you know, much like Hendricks and you know, here we go. Hendricks may be overrated a touch, but not really when you

listen to his studio work anyway. Put him aside. A guy like Zach Wilde, in my mind, has to go in at some point, you know, not just for playing with Ozzie, but the guy is an incredible just you know artist with his chow An instrument and even though he looks like you know, I don't know a Pennsylvania biker got thrown back from a time machine, you know, in the nineteen seventies to now, the guy is amazing as a guitarist, and not just because he's from Jersey.

Do I appreciate him. But there's a lot of people whose elements are going to come into play here. And there's also the cultural consideration. Shakira is on the borderline in my mind, but I think she goes in Luther Vandros not on the borderline. I think he goes in who else did you object to in the recent considerations in class? Or who else do you celebrate? By the way, did you happen to examine any of that?

We got lost in our conversation, but there you go. Uh, and I kind of enjoyed this gives you a different perspectives about b peach list what he thought, what I thought? And we went back and excuse me, back and forth a little bit. But I need just a quick break, so I'm gonna take it here on the Ocelli effect and return as quickly as I can. But you can join us after this three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six and yeah, that sounds like fun.

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you got there? You said there were some other people that were considering for the Hall of Fame and we were having a spirited discussion about this.

Iron Maiden, and Wu Tang Clan. Now, of that list right there, just those few, I would think Phil Collins, Iron Maidens, Oasis. I wouldn't consider Wu Tang Clan, Luthros or Lauren Hill be included in the Rock and Roll haller Game. I mean it's it's hip hop names basically on that list, other than Oasis, Iron Maiden, and Phil Collins.

to varying results. I mean, you had the British invasion where they pretty much spat back a whole lot of American music at us one way or another, whether it's the Rolling Stones really really wanting to play the blues, or it's Eric Clapton really really wanting to play the blues, or it's you know, and so on and so forth, or lifted Rips slash led Zeppelin ripping everybody off, you know, directly, you know, either way, that was a natural sort of

imitation them aping us. But then after that things get weird. So I don't know, you know, Wu Tang Clan, you know, because you object to hip hop, but there is plenty of rock and roll in the culture, and hip hop, as much as it wants to be separate from rock

and roll, is not. And you know, some people go, well, that's black music and rock and roll is white music, and gee, I'm sorry, but I think you forgot about people like Little Richard, you know, founding members, not because they're the only ones, but founding members of this creation of this thing. In my mind is Little Richard is Bo Diddley is guess what you know, Chuck Berry obviously, So you know, you can't say that black people had

nothing to do with rock and roll. If you do, then I guess you consider that rock and roll began in the nineteen sixties, and you're still forgetting a lot of people. So if it's a black and white thing, then it's dumb. But if it's a purely like that's a completely separate genre, well maybe yes, maybe no, because some of the previous genre folds straight on into hip hop. For instance, where would you put James Brown? Does he belong in the rock and roll Hall of Fame in

your mind? Yes? Okay, so a whole lot of it. I think structurally it's similar, it's unique, but it also fits into R and B, rhythm and blues, you know what I'm saying. James Brown, certainly that's rock and roll also. But here's the thing about it. James Brown fundamentally forms a whole lot of the sampling foundation for a huge

amount of the initial hip hop artists. Funky Drummer in and of itself generated something like one hundred and fifty records just saying you know, and those rhythmic cues and beats were re sampled back into what was foundationally hip hop. At a certain point, Wu Tang gets even weirder with it.

I'm not even going to get into that argument. Screw you, block, I'm not even going to go there, because if you think about it, who's the greatest rapper of all time? A white boy that goes by Eminem Marshall Mathers and you have people in rap will tell you he's the greatest of all time you think about it, it's just skills, is yes, stupid? It should even come me.

together and that's what happened. It was, you know, jazz, blues, rhythm and blues, and that stuff got cranked up a little louder. And then a guy turned around and figured out a way to amplify the guitar a little differently. And then some idiot in England decided to slice his speakers to make him buzz, and holy crap, we've had

an evolution going on for a while. And there was a guy named what Ray Perkins who did a whole lot of groundwork that nobody even thinks of, which, by the way, to cap this all off, you know what I saw recently in a video short, which means I've definitely lost my mind watching video shorts. A guy has now come out that they say is actually Elvis. Elvis is still alive, believe it or not. Did you see it?

children died, he even went to the funeral. This guy he photographed there and apparently has been the Elvis living in exile all these years. And he's got some like common name like Ray Brown or something, and he says that finally he's decided to come clean. He is Elvis. I think you might see some more news stories on this when stuff gets slow. But yeah, apparently there's some videos out there that are trying to get viral telling

you Elvis is indeed still alive. So goes to show the old supermarket tabloid tricks are still not dead in this day and age. B Pete, what do you think? I don't know.

Elvis is still alive. And you know what's interesting to me about this is they just had this you know, found footage of like we have this old film that Elvis meant to release and now you're going to see an Elvis performance like you've never seen it before, restored in modern technology and all that. Have you seen that? No, I haven't telling you man. The Elvis thing is about to make a comeback. That's my prediction. And you can put that in your bank anyway you want, but it's

coming anyway. I'll close on that note, but leave you with the last word, be Pete before we get started with the Age of Transitions and Aaron Franz. Anything you want to drop in since we got no calls and had a spirited discussion just off of your list this week. Great job there by the.

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