Ochelli Effect 10-10-2025 Call-in Show Friday with Co-Host B Pete

Get ready, hey, hey, tenth day of October twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar, this the o'celli effect, you listening to it, and probably in podcast form because not many people listen to the live show anymore. But if you are hearing us just after eight pm, like literally seven and a half minutes after eight pm Eastern time on the tenth day of October twenty twenty five, allegedly we're live and you can call in three one

Way or another.

If Beat beats having trouble with his internet or can somehow hear me, dude, even call in if you want, I mean, however you want to connect, do it and we'll get you on air. Because I like doing this with a co host. Can do it myself. I can sit here and tread water while I talk and keep the lines open, I suppose, But I don't like doing it that way. And that's not the way we do things on Friday night, is it. If you're a regular listener,

We'll actually do a live.

Show on Monday, this coming Monday, and see what he thinks. Now, I have a suspicion about where he's at and how he thinks people have been sort of manipulated into thinking of other people's thoughts, so to speak. But we'll have to wait and see, because I don't want to prejudge the circumstance. And we might have a really productive, cool thing to present to you, you know, for a Monday night. So, b Pete, you said, I've been here in the chat room. Dude, I sent you the link on teams and I just

And there is a link to Jitsy there. Let's see.

I'll put another one in, I guess, but now that should make two. Anyways, there's two Jitsy links in a row in your team's communication be Pete. Anyhow, enough for talking to one person listening. My co host will join me shortly, I hope. Anyhow, Yeah, so this guy has an idea about political witch hunts, and you know, we're talking about the brainwashing thing, et cetera. You know, and Bepet, I'm gonna respond to your text. You're twiddling your thumbs.

I don't even know anymore. I know it's possible, but I don't know how to do it. Let's see.

Maybe it'll let me because I've sent it to you already twice on there, and you're not getting it, so I don't know. Let's see, I got up your profile on Chattango and all that, and I don't see the spot where I can type stuff in. Okay, let's go over to teams again, because let's see whereas you here. Okay, so let's put it.

In there again.

All right, I'm gonna bring him on and then I'll explain to him so that you know, this makes sense to the listener later what it is I'm talking about as far as the team's thing, and I'm sitting here sending him a message over and over again. Anyway, we'll get to that in a minute.

So he was talking about that.

I have my suspicions about where he's gonna go, but let's see what comes of it, you know. And I've tried to schedule a couple other people, and I do have some schedules uh, let's see. Tim Gardner is gonna be somebody.

I work with.

There you are, I'm live talking to the audience, and hopefully you can hear me, all right, can you hear me?

Okay?

VP cannot hear me now. I don't know what's going on. Man, change something because I'm talking to you and I'm talking on the air.

Anyway. The thing is this, you know.

There he goes, Okay, I heard a noise and then he went robotic A right, you know what I'm gonna do for the sake of the listeners, I'm gonna take away.

That's what we're gonna do. I'll tell effect you're right.

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All right, so we're back to live there and the unscheduled break is over with. Anyway, we straightened out the connection to be Pete, so my cost is now with me. I'll again give out the phone numbers. I was just doing a little housekeeping and telling you stuff that was

Nothing? So I can't can't give you any of that.

But who knows what we'll get in between now and November twenty first, when the Lancer conference begins. All right, So all that stuff aside. And I didn't even touch on the news or anything because I really don't want to. I mean, I'm fed up with a lot of things. I know my cost is fed up with different things, but still fed up is the theme of the day, okay.

And with good reason on many sides.

I think, although today's weird announcement kind of predictable regarding you know, guitar and what's going on, I mean, dude, if you don't see how this lines up with Jared and his golf courses, Trump getting a plane and now we got you know, the weirdest thing to me is that they're going to put a Katari air base or some sort of military base in Idaho.

Yeah.

Training facility, yeah, okay.

Training facility, but Idaho like the home, the secret quiet, don't say it out loud, home of many, a cast off from society, White supremacists, Idaho.

That's the truth of it. There's a whole bunch of them in the wilderness.

Out there that are like I want to go out here so the government will leave me alone, and white power and all that, and a lot of them gravitate to Idaho.

I've known at least a dozen of them that are like that.

One of them recently contacted me thinking that I was on their line of thinking, somehow weird, weird guy I knew from high school. But anyway, I've known some interesting people in my life. And oh, I was going back over, as a matter of fact, because I'm gonna do the mob presentation at Lancer.

I was going back over my relationship with a friend of.

Mine that died well a little more than ten years ago, eleven years ago, Frank Manucci, and the interesting story that I wish I'd been able to bring to this radio show, because when I started the show, I had a list of people I wanted to bring on, and Frank was one of them. I would have been glad to bring him on, and he would have been a very interesting guest on a lot of levels. But also I had, you know, like James Tag I wanted to bring on

Have brought on here that would have been really really great to have in the archive.

But Frank is one of those guys. He had a role in the movie Carlito's Way. He was in the movie Ghost Dog with Oh God, I can't remember the star's name, but a black actor who plays this really weird sort of like urban samurai guy. Ghost Dog anyway, good movie in a weird sort of cult way, and he plays like, you know, typical throwaway mobster in the movie. He's also playing a mobster on the prison barge and

He was on a few things.

Including vaguely remember ghost Dog.

Yeah.

He also didn't remember when HBO used to have that America Undercover documentary series.

Yeah.

So he was also on the episode about like getting out of the mob. Uh, you know, and he was really mad actually because they put him on the same episode with Sammy de Bull, who was a rat, and they put him on there. He walked out in a completely different way to get away from mafia association. He was never a made guy, but he was offered the chance to become and walked away. Frank Minucci.

Minucci, I could remember the last name.

Yeah, Minucci.

He wrote a book called Brother Frank because he converted himself to a Christian preacher, you see later in life after having a pretty interesting criminal history where he was, you know, one of the head members of the Nomads, which is like an elite group of Hell's Angels that are really like the enforcer arm of the Hell's Angels or a separate Yeah.

I'll put a link to his to his book in the room.

Yeah, a separate but connected group called the Nomads to the Hell's Angels, and he was like one of the top guys because.

He was an enforcer type guy that worked for many people.

Anyway, a good friend of mine, like I said, and also Robert Blake turns to him and calls him up, like, hey, I need you to get rid of my wife, you.

Know, and that's where I remember him.

Yeah, so but at that Kay, Yeah, at that time him and I were really good friends. So it cracked me up. I thought he was just like telling a crazy story where he's like, you know, not too many of these actors call me anymore, et cetera, et cetera. You know, Sean Penn don't call me, and Paccino he don't call me, but they know who I am this and that, you know, because he was in that movie Carlito's Way, right, So you know, he's like, but I'll

He offering to pay you, you know, like to get it done.

And neither one of us were living like criminal lives at that point for the most part, but I was running exxons and anyway, there's a whole story to that. But it cracked me up because he tells me about it, and then the next thing I know, he's all over the news and they're gonna subpoena him to testify at the trial. Even right his testimony is priceless. There's like an old archived CNN link that I know I have. Wait, let me see if I can get it. Maybe I

I know who the guy was.

It was there to back in, you know, that went with him to do the threatening phone call, and I know where the phone call was made from. And both of those pieces of information in his testimony are inaccurate. But the phone call, the substance of the phone call is all true. And even I remember at the time before news hit, before anybody knew anything, you know, the anecdote I got from him personally was.

Frankly, look, you know, I couldn't believe it.

She asked how big my you know, my junk was basically, and that's part of the trial transcript. And it's true as true as I can verify it, because the guy told me this long before anybody was asking about it.

He just volunteered it to me. And him and I may have had other.

Things in common, and he might have volunteered other information to me that, you know what, I got.

A bad memory. I don't necessarily remember it all.

But I found it was funny that this reporter kind of described him when he sort of shrugged his shoulders and said this or that.

I could picture it.

And they were clearly taking notes on Frank Manucci's behavior in the courtroom perfectly, although they kind of misdescribe him, you know, they kind of, oh, he's a former mobster. He never was officially a mobster. He wasn't a maid guy or anything like that, but he was something to

It was.

It was rather fascinating because how do I put this, It's just.

That there's a lot of interesting things that went on there, and Frank was generally a great guy, and I appreciated

You know.

He would say stuff like this on this interview, and of course HBO cut it together to make it look even more dark and nefarious. So believe me, they edited out the stuff that wasn't ugly, and they made him look, you know, vicious. I mean not to say that he wasn't, but they made him look really, really vicious.

And meanwhile, he's in.

The retirement community with you know, retired dennis and plumbers and so on and so forth. All around him, and it reruns on HBO and a lot of those people saw it, you know. So now he's going around town with his big cross on him. He's still got the New York and Italian man mannerisms to him, and you know, you might guess he's a gangster when you see him, regardless of what he's doing, even if he's talking about

You know what, I'm the bad guy, but I'm also a preacher, so you figure it out.

Anyway, I just found it funny and it's a remarkable And then there's a guy I really wish I had been able to do a couple of shows with on here and record some interviews that would survive, you know what I mean, And that would be a fascinating guy. Well, so it was familiar with my backstory too, and that might have been cool also.

But he was just the cool, interesting guy.

I mean, if you just go with what the films he was in, the documentaries, he was, in the life he led, et cetera. I mean, there's a person of interest that I could have had great conversations.

With on here, So anyway, that's just not a curiosity good just.

Out of curiosity. Was he or was he ordained in a specific denomination or was he like a universalist pastor?

Or are you meaning to ask if he's kind of like if he was kind of like my thing or if he was is that what you're asking?

Like, yeah, I mean was he well, no, I mean, just was he ordained into an you know, through a denomination or was he just a pastor?

Now he was ordained through one of those like I cannot remember the exact one because there's so many that are very similar, but you know what I mean.

The the dedicated Church of Jesus.

You know, Jesus is in the name and uh you know the uh whatever of Christ and this and that and uh.

I think at a certain point he adopted like, you know, patches.

On the backs of like you know, some of his parishioners that were made to look similar to uh to like biker club back patches. And it was all about the you know, the servants of the Lord now on a motorcycle with a big giant cross, you know what I mean. It was all about Jesus and how Jesus had saved his life and saved his soul. And if it wasn't for his wife, who was this gentle kind Christian woman, that he never would have.

Changed his ways.

And he probably would have, you know, died in a hal of bullets at some point, that kind of story.

And he was like the redemptions in Christ.

I would think sending into prisons and correctional institutions and things like that, he'd have a little more pulled and say someone like who was it of the Watergate gang? Was it Coulson? Which one got? Yeah, Colson ordained or something.

Yeah, Colson did the born again thing, and Frank was again one of those born agains too, right, So but it was through one of those like you know, very very like focus on Jesus, focus on Jesus twice in the name churches, you know.

So it wasn't a Jenio for.

Criminal turned priest. I would think he'd have a little more street crid than some white collar crap like Colson.

Well, yeah, I mean look, Coulson shows up and he's like, look I love the Lord, and they're like, yeah, well.

I've killed people, you know, who the hell are you?

Uh?

You know, Frank could look at him and go, what am I supposed to be impressed? I'm here to talk to you about this, not that you know what I'm saying. So that attitude, yeah, it goes a lot further among people that you know, have lived a different life if you can't relate to their circumstances.

I mean, you know, you're going to be a joke.

You know, it doesn't matter if you're the bleeding hard social worker you show up.

Oh look I love you and I want to help you. Yeah, you love me. Huh, You're on the wrong foot.

You're approaching hardened people with way too soft to something they can't even transition.

You know what I mean.

But this guy can be like, look, I already did you know, like almost like your father is supposed to do. I understand, right, and I've tried to do.

Look, anything you've done, I've already done it. So why don't we skip that part and talk about what's really important here? You know what I mean?

And you don't have credibility to do that unless you've done it or you're a hell of an actor, which, by the way, I think he was a pretty good actor as well, you know, just based on you.

Yeah, from what I remember he was an interesting character, and he turned down a role on The Sopranos, which killed me because because I was like, ah, Frank, you got to take that.

You know, he was gonna They offered him a minor role on there, and as crazy as it sounds, you know, like.

He thought that it was this is the weird judgment here.

He thought that the excessive cursing and the fact that The Sopranos made Italians look bad in general.

He really didn't feel good about taking the role.

He wanted the money, he would have liked the spotlight, and he felt you know, silly a little bit afterwards because the show became much more successful than anybody thought it was going to be. But he turned down a role which wasn't a major role, but he would have had a recurring role, let's say, on The Sopranos, and I think he would have done better than the guy they hired. But yeah, I mean, you know, so he lived in a bunch of different worlds at different points

He looks up at his wife and son.

He goes, oh, Shelley, isn't that a guy that got whacked in Brooklyn like about fifteen years ago?

I don't think. I don't think I know, because he didn't know me by my last name.

Even so he thought that, and then he confused me for my grandfather briefly, which you know, before he opened up the envelope and realized who it was. But before he opened up the envelope, that was his immediate response. Wait, but didn't I know a guy who got whacked like that in Brooklyn like fifteen years ago?

Oh?

Well, maybe it was that guy in Jersey City who wore a cowboy hat that was my grandfather, and that's what he connected until he opened it up and he goes, oh, this is Chuck and Patty's kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and his wife's name was Patty as well. Anyhow, I just the guy. There's one hundred anidotes that I wish I could have relived with him and told about him. And I'm gonna make sure he's spoken about at Lancer.

How was your week?

Now that we've gotten over the disruption and all that others doub how you doing man?

This week?

I'll tell you what. Weather personnel on all of these channels, including the app that pops up on my phone, have totally screwed things up this past week. It is damn near impossible to plan what you're gonna do when they tell you it's gonna be raining all morning and then it's going to clear off and it turns out to be seventy eight degrees and beautiful, And then when they tell you that it's going to be seventy eight degrees and beautiful, you're out there, the clouds come in and

Well, let me ask you something. You don't use that.

Please tell me you're not using the weather bug app. No, okay, good, because that thing is like a It spreads faster than the common cold as a virus in your systems and your devices.

Do not use the weather bug guys.

I don't care if I've ever used that.

Yeah, that thing's terrible and it's just intrusive and people don't realize it.

It digs into your system so much and I watched to do it. It's crazy. I don't know why.

But it's like a spy device to design, you know, disguised as a weather estimator because it's never really good.

Uh.

It does tell you what's happening on.

The phone when your phone updates, and you know, I've got mine set it will only update on if I'm on Wi Fi, so I'm not eating number of data right and you know, I'll go to bed, wake up the next morning my phone will have updated and there's like nine damn games on there that I never asked for. Why the hell can't they We need a law to make them send you a list. Hey, we're getting ready to load all this shit on your phone. Click the crap you don't want and we won't upload it.

Well, save me some time.

You know.

Every after every update, I'm sitting there uninstalling nine games. Right.

Here's the sad thing about that, because I went over this with people at Apple before, because they're the worst. I don't have an Apple device, but I had access to people at Apple, so I asked, and it's like, look, actually, all those things that you see getting, you know, people complain about all the time, somewhere in their user agreement is a box they need to check that says, you know, don't give me this stuff otherwise you're getting it.

Uh.

That's pretty much what it boiled down. I mean, you know, I went through a long, convoluted thing about it.

Yeah, it wasn't Apple, the ones that downloaded the YouTube song to everybody's phone and caught so much backlash for it.

Yeah, I believe they were Apple Play. I believe, Well, no, that's Google Play.

Or google Play are Apple?

No?

I think it was Apples through their iTunes.

Yeah, Apple did something through iTunes, right, but google Play did that and got you know, they got hammered.

It was like, wait a minute, you're telling us we can't use copyright material.

Oh, that's right. Uh, you know, since the days of Bill Gates buying that Rolling Stone song right back, I don't know, Windows ninety five.

Or whatever, what did they buy? Start me up?

Right?

And it would That's what it would do at the beginning, when you turned on your computer and down, down, and that was it.

I remember that because I was never a big Stones fan. I thought, God, I gotta get this over here.

Yeah, but then you're stuck with it. It was sort of like the AOL thing like for years and years and had the same voice.

You got mail, you know, like you wonder who did that voice?

You know.

I don't know.

I once tracked that down actually because that was like some weird trivia question and I did track it down because I didn't believe the answer.

And now I don't. Yeah, I don't remember what I got. I promise you.

Nowadays it's probably more accessible, but earlier Internet incarnation, I actually had to track that down to find out. And there is an answer to it, or at least there was at the time. I don't know if it's changed since, but uh, but it was like almost a funny story and I just can't.

Remember it now, would Edwards.

There you go, there's the name, okay, now Edwards.

He was born in nineteen November six, nineteen forty nine, and he passed away damn November fifth, a day before his birthday in twenty twenty four.

There you go, see, and the guy's got like, yeah, that's the guy. And you know a billion people probably heard his voice.

You know, it's like, oh, at least shit, So I.

Mean, it's just amazing the weird little factoids and it's an actual guy, even though it sounds computer generated nowadays though uh.

Yeah, he got paid two hundred dollars to do it right.

That was the other funny part to me is his voice was used a billion times. And you know, if you gave him a penny, man, Yeah.

Imagine the residuals if you just got a penny per time it was played.

That's exactly what I was just saying.

If he got a penny for every time his voice was used, that guy probably would have lived longer because he could have afforded better healthcare, you know, but instead he got two hundred bucks.

I mean North Carolina guy.

Yeah, he lived in newbern Uh huh, yeah, that was you know what.

That was why I tracked it down because when I was living it now you're reminding me, when I was living in North Carolina.

That's why I tracked down who the hell he.

Was because somebody locally told me, you know the guy who did that you got mail, he's actually from North Carolina. I say, he don't sound like he's from North Carolina.

No, really, you go find out you're a researcher. Go ahead. I said, Okay, that's true.

And the funny thing to me, of course, is that you know, I tracked this all down. It's useless information, but what the hell. I might have mentioned it on my show like for five seconds, you know, back in twenty fourteen or something.

But it was pretty scary, like I'm like, I can't believe that this guy, Yeah, go ahead.

Interesting story. His wife worked for Quantum Computer Services, which later became AOL YEP, and they wanted a voice actor to do four things, and he recorded on a cassette recorder in his living room the phrase welcome, you've got mail files done and goodbye on a cassette recorder. They gave you two hundred bucks so I've basically maybe fifty bucks per phrase.

Yeah, not bad, well, depending on your context.

Right, Because nowadays a voice actor, you know, they have the right to charge you if you use it in America unless you buy the rights.

They have the right to charge you if you use it in Europe. That's a separate set of rights you have to buy.

I mean, even the girl that you hear, you know that goes revelation through conversation, not when Kim does it, because Kim I have an agreement with. But the girl who does you know, the loose one that you hear, Deessa, I had to purchase broadcast rights from her and everything else.

But back when this guy recorded that, there was no technicality on that.

Like you recorded it, you gave it to him, They had it, and you were paid for your services, end of contract. But nowadays, you know, you decide to take it and use it somewhere else, you have to pay for it. Otherwise you could be liable to have to pay the person or the estate for the use. Isn't that insane.

I'm trying to look up and see if anybody calculated the estimate of how many times it was said, Oh, well.

That would be difficult, I think. But and again, all those phrases, by the way, were used because I remember all of them and thinking, you know, that must be the same guy. Because like most people back in the early dinosaur days of the Internet, I mean, almost anybody I ever knew used one of those AOL free discs, even if just to use the free you know time, Remember that used to get like, oh, We're going to

It was crazy, crazy stuff.

Oh I remember the first time someone sent me a huge jpeg and it took, oh god, thirty six thirty seven minutes just to download the image. Dial up was so much fun.

Oh god.

Yeah.

But you know, at the same time, you didn't stress about it because I would just turn around and go, all right, so I'm downloading something.

I'm going to go out to you know, to McDonald's eat and come back.

Yeah, because the computers weren't strong enough to download it and do other functions at the same time, right.

So I would go just I was just like, all right, well, let's go to McDonald's get something to eat. I'll stop at the grocery store, pick up some milk and bread, and when we get back here, hopefully it's halfway.

Done, you know, like you know, yeah, the guys at intail are going, you know, this is neat, but we need a processor right.

Right, and then then you get the whole you know, race for the processors and all that. Anyway, we do have a caller, so I'm going to get to them, But anything else you want to talk about before we you know, besides the weird weather, and then we wind up talking about aoil voices.

I was looking into this story in Tennessee, this explosives place that had an explosion this morning. They're still looking for nineteen people. It's pretty devastating.

Yeah, pretty wild, pretty wild.

Like I said that, you know, there's a lot of weird bits and pieces of news, but you notice the peaceful corner of the news now that you know the government is shut down, Like all they're doing is rerunning the same crap and a couple of announcements here and there, and then that's it. So we don't have the same constant flow of NonStop I mean, except you know, Trump passed to enter into the conversation.

What, Yeah, they're they're filling it with more localized stuff. National news is, oh, well, the shutdown, and you know, and then they stole a couple of clips of people accusing each other of it, and then they go on to something else. But they're finally starting to see some local stuff come out.

But don't you feel a little less stressed taking a look at that, you know, newsbrief now?

Because absolutely, Because I would just as soon the damn Congress shut down all but a week out of the year. We only pay them for a week. We'd save a whole hell of a lot of money. The less time they're in off or you know, in session, the less crap we got to pay for.

Yeah, I can see that as a slogan. Turned the Congress into a part time job. How about that the Congress? And yeah, make them part time workers.

See if they like it, if they get furloughed, by the way, because that's another thing. You know, who's going to get paid, who's not going to get paid?

You know, coming up soon?

Because no government, you can't keep the presses running and printing the checks. Can you somebody to sit there and do paid. Well, are you going to make an exception?

Yeah, I'm retired. I get mine anyways, So screw um. No, I think seriously, you think about it, though, we have a balanced budget balanced budget amendment, and they haven't passed a balanced budget since when back when Clinton was in in the nineties, so, you know, if nothing else, so it's been like twenty seven years, they haven't done their job. And I'm one of those that somehow we need to get the right people in to vote in that if they don't get a balanced budget by the time that

Listen, I got no problem with the incentive program, you know, and I hear you. But here we are. You're having a terrible problem here. They'll be peting.

That is, you expect people that make the rules to follow the rules, right, yeah, Oh well that's.

You know, until we start holding them accountable for the rules, then they're not going to follow them.

Well yeah, but until then they'll just point fingers at each other and make you believe that you got a choice. It's yeah. Meanwhile, the whole system. And by the way, they if they do shut down long enough, you will have problems getting your payments. You know that, because I mean that happened what under Obama? I think right where there was a shutdown and you know them.

But no, there are certain a lot of people don't realize when they stay shut down. The part of the government that shuts down is the part that is for your convenience. Like when you go to national parks and there's no park rangers, Oh, so we got to shut it down. Or you go to any of these national locations, Oh, well, you know we're closed because we you know, people that are not working, they're on furlough. That's the part that they do to piss you off.

Yea.

When it comes to the big things, there are certain things that the check goes out regardless because it's exempt and will not really exempt. It's out of the system of furlough, meaning Social Security and things like that. Now, if you have a problem and have to call into an office, you're probably not gonna find anybody.

Yeah, I understand that, but during Obama, you know.

My social Security check is gonna come because that's something that's not affected by any of the shutdowns.

Okay, but during the Obama administration it was.

I'm just pointing out there is a certain level of shutdown where that can be affected because I know social Security checks.

Stopped during that time. I was living with a girl who.

Like my father. Hang on, I'm gonna have retirement checks from the military, and so his check is held up. Okay, I'm bringing to other agencies the checks go out right.

But that's the thing is that incrementally it'll move toward more state not getting done. Jimmy James, I've been trying to bring you out on the line for a couple of minutes and I got you now. Oh any hung No is he there? He's still there? Somebody else hung up? Okay, there you go, Jimmy, still here go? Ahad, Jimmy, what's on your mind?

Oh?

Just propping on? How does the day find you, gentlemen?

Ah, So you weren't listening to the early part of the show, Eh, I've heard nothing. Ah, Okay, Well, we talked about a bunch of things. I mean, we had a little trouble hooking up with be Pete first. Then I talked about uh uh, let's see my my friend brother Frank Manucci. I talked about good Lord. We talked about apps and the guy who actually did the you Got mail voice on AOL.

We talked about dial up. We talked a little bit about the conference.

Where I about where I I caught in from AOL disc.

From moving Forward, okay, cool seems.

To make lovely when out of those discs.

Really, I never thought of that. I never thought of that.

I did know guys that saved up somehow, like hundreds of them because they were still good for a long time. And you know, it was only recently I think AOL actually got rid of it's dial up service altogether. There was like seven people in the country using it still and they just finally canceled it, I think recently. But anyway, what's on your mind this week?

Jimmy?

Good question?

Didn't you get any of my emails?

Can you not read my emails? Is they have to do? Is some kind of email clients.

Which one I know we talked about and I mentioned several times the thing about umbrella man. Let me see, did I miss something from Jimmy? I don't think so.

But I'm looking at me.

Oh, I'll stand by nothing to do with the umbrella man.

See.

I Well, let's see.

I sent one in regard to hy you a paper for your weekly reader, and I sent you, Uh. I actually started to write the thing, and then I after the first the title, first paragraph, I started thinking, I better check with Chuck to see if this is even something wants before I write the thing. So I finished it in outline and I sent you a version of it as an attachment. Was waiting to hear from.

You on that.

Oh, I'm sorry, Jimmy, I don't see it in my email, so I don't know. I'll have to look the.

Email. Is I forgot?

Well, let's see the last one I see from you. Jimmy says a odd name came up during the water Yeah, I'm pretty big James McCord. Okay, so that came in.

But I didn't Well, let's sit that one.

I can't believe you didn't mention that what Larry Hancock didn't find that of any sort of interest. Isn't it a little odd that a dead man's participating in Watergate? As per the testimony of a Soviet mole. I mean the whole Harvey thing with the FAA license now, and that's all real fascinating.

Well, I went with what Larry wanted to talk about that night. But you know, so that's where we went. I don't know if you could tell, but I was just kind of working with where he was going. But did you Did you happen to send this over to Larry too?

No?

I did not. I thought you would bring it up to him and maybe ask him about it, something like that.

Okay, I got it.

I just found Jimmy's email with my spam folder.

Oh you found okay, So what's in your spam folder from Jimmy?

Hold on? I just sent it over to my regular folder.

I marked it not spam, gotcha.

I might have been on Mondays here ago.

I'll check my spam too, because I might have who knows, maybe something you sent god in my spam folder to Jimmy.

I'll check.

But frankly, you know, I'm not prepared obviously for whatever it was. But you know, yeah, I didn't get to that. I've been working on a bunch of different things, and people even kept me on the phone past my airtime yesterday, which meant I couldn't even do the show because it was like, by the time I was done, my throat was sore, and I had spent a lot of time redundantly explaining to people certain things, and uh, you know, I don't know how many different ways I have to

I did. I did listen to the show where I did.

Okay, boy, here was another thing that I found interesting. Well, I don't know why go on something? And did you get so b You guys got the email, Let's see which one is it?

You get the one about the FBI man going into the theater with the police to get Oswald? Was this something?

No?

I got the one that when you asked about during the Watergate hearings, James McCord said a name.

Yeah, No, I don't. I don't have the one with the FBI man in the movie theater either.

I think, but well, that one's a pretty good Okay, well the one, uh, that's another good one.

Vp uh yes, uh one Phelipe.

Diego de Satiago, that dis bastards got six months. I don't know. I'm just calling him Satiago.

Uh.

He's supposed to have died two three times in the sixties. Nonetheless, Soviet mal James McCord testified to Congress for wherever the that's work that well.

They pushed him. Turns out there with you guys that didn't anticipate in the second Watergate, that didn't participate in the.

First water Game.

He claimed he couldn't recognize them, so the FBI showed him pictures. It's uh what Well, the name I found that interesting was.

This said that guy's up by de suy.

Uh sucker another, to which I said, oh, that's interesting.

How many times is that guy supposed to have been.

Dead by then and now he's back alive of participating in Watergate? What's up with that?

Yeah, you know, i'd have to go ahead.

I'd have to go ahead and go over the specific Jimmy because I worked on Watergate, like in the nineties, And let me tell you one thing that I discovered that was really weird. When you start, you know, getting into people's associations and things, I started getting confused with these you know, these guys that got eighty different names. Yeah, because you know, you got all these Latin names, and he shuffle them around a little, you get a different guy.

To be honest with you.

I mean, one slip of a you know, a Santiago instead of a Diego and you got a totally different guy, or you have the same guy, just somebody didn't, you know, record the name correctly. And that happened many times, you know, yes, so go ahead.

It's like you said, the Cubans in particular, like they could literally have twelve names. So glad, so much gun in gim somewhere computer running. I'm gonna have to look it up.

Yeah.

I just came across where they say he and he had a connection with Philippe de Diego spelled with an F L F E L I P E day Diego, like San Diego.

I believe that's Felipe Sleepe de Santiago. That's the same dude, This is Felipe Diego.

Yeah, but you see where the problem is.

You go de Diego de Santiago and you got a different guy, or maybe you got the same guy, and you know, and there you go and Felipe Okay, that could be spelled.

The other name he went by was Philip de Diego.

Well that's not so bad, you know, but I'm telling you, when they start like mixing these other nick forget it. It becomes like a labyrinth within itself. I'm assuming it's intentional but but I don't know if it's just a product of g since you're not so familiar with these names. If it's you know, just one of those things that winds up confusing it, you know what I mean, Not you, Jim.

Good Well, I'm so partially it is intentional, and a lot of these guys were using their names of each other to really mess up one up, so Fleepe.

Might have really been Bernardo instance.

Right there you go, There you go, there's I just put a link in the room, Jimmy, if you're in the room, chat room, I just put a link to an article on real clear politics water date at fifty and they mentioned this Philip de Diego.

There you go. So at least somebody saw it besides you, Jimmy. But like I said, it becomes.

Such a labyrinth, you know that, that I would not even want to speak on it unless I really went through it and made sure I knew who the hell I was talking about, because I've seen people make mistakes before.

You know.

Uh, it's like that Bobert.

It's like that Bobert thing where she goes, well, mister Stone, you wrote a book about LBJ killing the president. Uh, you know, that's just the confusion of a single last name.

Uh.

In this case, you got you know, four names to these guys, and then maybe.

Somebody else is in their family calls them by a nickname, you know, and it's it's a mess to try and unravel.

It's not a simple logie. I just mixed up a last name.

Because how many detores, you know, how many detours are there?

Right?

And then get rid of the d you got Torreses. I mean, dude, it's endless. Uh So, you know, it's hard to nail it down. Like you said, I think it's partially intentional, but on the other hand, I think it's just convenient for confusion as well, because it's very simple to you know, if it doesn't exactly work, it's sort of like that old thing of Hew. Come on this record, it says Harvey Lee Oswald. Yeah, it's just somebody typed it in the wrong order. You know, let's

You know.

You look at it and you go, obviously somebody switched the names here, that's all this is. And on an old typewriter having to do it by hand. Yeah, that may be possible, real possible. You know, somebody just didn't get their second cup of coffee of the day. The more logical answer, right, then there's absolutely two different guys. Because now we got a couple of records and say, Harvey Lee Oswald, you know what I'm.

Saying, Yeah, that could happen, but.

Uh yeah, I'm gonna have to do some more studying on a couple of these Cubans that perplexed me alastly.

There were so many of them.

I started hispanic solid right, so faving them in to one dude till until needed later.

I understand. That's why you end up putting them all in one. And I physically did this with the Watergate work in New York right where it's like, okay, let's just I know who it's racist. Now I'm just gonna put all the Cubans here. Okay, these are Cubans. I know they're Cubans. Let's separate the Cubans from let's just say literally the Mexicans or the guys from Guatemala that happen to be working here, because there are some of those too.

They're not all Cuban, right, So let's separate that first.

You shake a few of those out, and you start racially separating a little bit, and not as your main method of sorting, but as a partial helper here. Okay, if you know these guys are all definitely Cuban from Cuba, that's one thing.

Now, you know these guys are.

Cuban in origin, but they're not really from Cuba because they've lived most of their lives here or they were born here. Let's separate them that way, too, right, And when you do that, some of these names peel apart a little easier. But you know, some people would say that's wrong to do it that way, but I'll tell you, we did it that way in order to just begin some sorting processes regarding these guys, because it gets crazy,

You know, if you have a teenage.

Guy who fathers a child and now he's got a child that has a nearly identical name to him, the two of them could be operationally active at the same time. I don't remember the name specifically, but I know we found that twice going through Watergate stuff, and I mean the stuff that the public would never bother with that we were going through that we got our hands on, and yeah, we found father and son with slightly different names.

And what are you gonna do.

There's like, the guy has a kid when he's seventeen or sixteen, and now he's, you know, in his thirties, late thirties. How old is his son? Right, his son's twenty years old. They can both be operational now same time. So that was something else that we discovered going through those files. A couple of couple of father and son teams, which, by the way, in some cases the father might hand off the son some of the uh, you know, access he has to government funding and things.

Right, just just a theoretical, let's say, to put it out.

There, peculiar knowledge. Mm hmm, heave my padron peculiar knowledge, that's right.

Yep, yeah, so you know, logical problems.

Uh well, I was just gonna bring this by. Have you guys seen the wiring into a bunch of document says reading where basically, everyone, oh, well, a good year

Well, there's that, but also don't forget you know, Marguerite Oswald is pestering the FBI figure out what happened to my son for a little bit, right, so she's you know, writing letters.

Making phone calls apparently to the FBI. Uh with this partially what's that be?

A year later she actually called them and yeah, bizarre we talked to well anyway, she said, well, I'll tank for him to come home. Now from six months later he was home.

Yeah.

So look, I'm not saying that that's an answer here, but that is part of why you see the FBI interested because that wasn't her first contact, that phone call. I know they say it is, but I don't think so. And she made claims and she did have papers kind of showing that there might have been previous contacts to that, like almost a couple of months in you know, where she's making inquiries what.

Happened to my son? To the FBI. So you know, I'm not saying we have an answer here.

All I'm saying is that, look, there's a lot of weird things about this, you know, residency that Oswald takes up in Minsk, you know what.

I'm saying, and.

Who he was doing it for and why and why he you know, asks more than one woman to marry him and everything else.

I mean a lot of strangeness there. So I you know, I don't know how to unpack it all.

But I do know that we don't know the full and complete story about it, and the various contacts with agencies that people had that were interviewing them and everything else. I mean, it gets to be a very very strange, little shadowy world there.

Just saying.

Yes is what it is.

I think some people are making it unduly complicated. At the end of the day, you need to break your bill a good to move on with the thing. What do you think the Warrant Commission report is? It's a prosecution document. They prosecuted a dead man. Right, I'm going to write outer narrative, well my own legal well never mind when I'm up to.

Hey, fair enough, But yeah, no, it was. It was definitely a prosecutorial preparation. I mean they created four teams of legal people, et cetera. And each one of the teams had a title to them, and three out of the four had the name Oswald in it. So clearly they had a you know, predetermined target here. They weren't doing an open ended investigation let's see where the information lies. They were merely trying to fill out the process scutorial

Essentially.

That's what that you know, eight hundred and eighty eight pages ends up being, is a very long prosecutorial brief that report, would you agree, Yeah, a.

Tale And I'm sure that's what they would have told in court had he lived, that would have been the story that would have been there. You know how persecutors do it. They create, literally create a narrative. Mostly it's false.

Because they got it.

They feel the need to tell the jury a story, right when they don't have the facts. Right, if you don't have the facts, they tell you a big story.

And the only reason why it's not properly a prosecutorial brief is because you're missing from the process the ability to have a live accused. That's what's missing, because right there, they don't have the ability to face their accuser. They don't have the ability to cross examine witnesses.

Right, good, well, yes, it's just yeah, you can't that's the problem. Right, we cannot prosecute the dead. Right, However, what we could do is vindicate the falsely accused dead.

And I'll just leave it at that.

No, that is exactly correct. It only works in one direction. Now, either we vindicate him or we don't.

Uh.

But you can't prosecute him because again, from our system, you're missing the adversarial process. You can't cross examine your you can't cross examine nor face your accusers on any level because you're dead, so therefore can't be prosecuted.

It's just that simple, you know. So this is where it lies. Now.

We could, like you said, exonerate him because exculpatory information could be presented in such a way that you need a different option from this. This is not a viable even close to a reasonable doubt situation here. And basically, you got to destroy the prosecutor's brief effectively, or at least enough so that there's nothing there that could, you know, possibly resemble even the beginning of a case.

That's the only thing to do. And that's why initially there were Warren.

Commissioned critics, right, not researchers on everything. I bring that up with a good reason all the time. It's based on exactly what we're talking about right now, Jimmy. So you know, I know I sound stupid to a lot of people, but I'm not quite as dumb as I sound apparently all right. I'm not saying that to you, Jimmy, I'm saying that to others, but anyway, Yeah, So anything else on your mind, James.

Oh, chuck, I got a million things my mind all the time. But if there's other callers, might as well bring them all and all.

Well, you know what, I'm looking at him now, So I'm gonna put you on hold and take them in order. Pete, Pete, you got anything you want to add before.

I do that? Just real fast, no, go ahead, go ahead, cool, all.

Right, let's get to him. So I got a six one seven caller? How you doing?

All right?

How you doing?

I'm actually, uh, I'm I'm curious what else does Jimmy James have on his mind?

I didn't need to disrupt the flow of the show.

Nah, we'll we'll get back to Jimmy and I'm sure he'll give us another piece of his mind when he's ready.

But what's on your mind? How about that?

I just feel like the whole world's going to a crap, and it's been for a long time. I don't know what to make of Donald Trump.

I don't I don't think.

You guys, did you guys touch upon like the way this stuff like with the ice and everything, like I'm kind of late to the show.

Well, I definitely didn't talk about the ice stuff today. I did mention at the very beginning of the show the whole thing with you know, Katar building a base in Idaho, which I find completely bizarre due to the fact that Idaho is exactly the gravitational center of where white supremacists go.

I know that factually, you.

Know, they go there to be left alone and be in the wilderness, a lot of them and I've known some of them personally who have gone there for that purpose. Right, It's it's an interesting place to choose to put a base for Katar.

You know.

And I know I'm gonna get yelled at in emails about this, but here I go again. Does that have anything to do with the deal with Kushner and the golf course? Does that have anything to do with the gift of the airplane? Does it have any I mean, come on, you know what I mean, nobody's gonna even bother to ask these questions because we're too busy gasping for air in a room where honestly, the politics are sucking all the air out of it. So we're not

I don't think he missed anything.

No, I just I just when I look up news these days, it's like it's bull crap stuff like you know, superhero stuff. So I don't know, I feel like I'm trying to like protect my own brain when it comes to what's going on, because I can't process all this stuff. Like I haven't even begun to go into Charlie Kirk, and I don't think I ever will, to.

Be honest with you, I mean nothing against the man.

I just the conspiracy stuff is so overwhelming.

And toxic that.

I just want the fluff. I want the fluff. I want just entertainment, you know what I think.

Yeah, that's not a bad place, right.

I kind of missed the days when Anna Nicole Smith was in the headlines, you know what I'm saying, Because here we pro seriously because look, all right, I'm doing a presentation at Lancer, right, and I talked about this briefly during the show, and I'm mentioning it again. But I plan to, you know, do my usual job of making no friends, because I'm gonna tell a room full of people that they have no idea what the mafia is and they really should stop putting it on the suspect list.

And That's what I'm gonna do with answer, right.

So in talking about that, I have this universal view of things now where it's like, you know what, I'm dealing with a bunch of people that have a mindset that wants to blame Santa Claus for how Christmas is going. Okay, because that's where we're at now, And I mean on all sides. You know, Donald Trump, Look, Donald Trump doesn't If you're a liberal and you're upset, Donald Trump doesn't run your life. He runs certain aspects of your life, but he doesn't run your life. So you're obsessing on

And they bring on a guy.

We have a guy who's an expert who's gonna come out and tell us that we've been told nothing but lies regarding the Charlie Kirk assassination. And within ten seconds, this guy goes, well, you know that JFK thing. He gives out four or five wrong facts about JFK before he's gonna tell us he's an expert on something.

That just happened.

And I just commented in the YouTube you know comment section, like dude, really, you guys are doing this? Do you understand that I'm going to tell you the facts he's got wrong in the first ten seconds when he spoke, and I listed him and went away.

And that's all I can do anymore.

You know, the guy says that only one silent film captured the assassination. No wrong, just factually inaccurate. And they can't get the facts straight. And then they're going to tell you about their expertise and the alternative to the narrative.

So if you can't get the.

Initial narrative straight, you can't know the body of evidence straight on a sixty year old crime. I've got little faith in a sixty day old crime you might know about. And I threw that number there just for his sake of continuity. But the point is, yeah, I'm not listening to you about Charlie Kirk. You can't even get your JFK fax right that you want a site, so you're done. I can't listen to these people anymore, not even for a short clip.

I'm done. And you know, what are you gonna do? The corporate alternative? Good luck?

I just I don't feel good about the information and the people that you know are out there allegedly in the business of informing you whether it's again alternative.

Oh, I'm part of the rebel media.

I'm part of the Lex Jones network, or yeah, doesn't matter, idiots, All Santa Claus is responsible for how your Christmas went.

Next, I can't do it no more.

I know that sounds crazy, but that's look I'm thinking. I'm channeling part of what you're saying, you know, And anyway, hang on, I loved Oh. I'm sorry you got cut there. I didn't mean to cut you in mid sentence. I was just putting you on hold because we got other callers and I want to get back around to everybody. So let me take the next one in order, and Chris hang on, we'll bring you back. I think I know who this is. You want to introduce yourself.

You can tell him who just entered the building for me?

Yeah?

Oh yeah, because it shook baby. What's up?

We stand one has entered the building.

Hey, yeah, I've been watching my game tonight, so I took tonight off to watch his game. But I had to pop in here at least.

For a bit.

And is uncle gonna be on later?

Yes he is.

He will be on taking calls in his Yes, you know, I tried to get him to talk about the Hulk Hogan conspiracies a little bit recently, and he was a little lost on it. But Uncle has decided he doesn't think Hulk Hogan is dead. So I give you a little little information there from last week's show in case you want to talk to him about it. Why do you think Hulk Coogan's still alive? Go ahead, because I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. Okay, because I don't think he's long.

He take his he baked his death like Elvis right. And Ozzie's still alive too. He just he was just out on a sailboat and he sailed right off the flatter Man.

I really wish who knows where he's at now?

I really wish Ozzie was still around a little bit.

You know.

Well, I love I loved Ozzy, but I just I just watched the guy.

I mean, he made it pretty far. What was he seventy one?

Yeah? Did you see that Paramount? Did you see the recent paramount documentary on Ozzie? And they just put it out of Okay, they got one on.

I could I was gonna watch on. I think it was on it like A and E or something like when you get on Spectrum, Like, I forget what it's called on demand, but I haven't.

I haven't watched it yet.

They got one for Hulk Cogan. You know, I'm just like, let them, let them cool.

Before I started watching this stuff.

Well you know, they just I don't. You know, it's sad, but it's life.

Well I know, but see this, this Paramount thing was actually something as he wanted recorded, and he wanted he had the foresight to record like the last couple of years of his life all together leading up to that final show that he died a couple of days after, you know, and it's kind of a heartbreaking thing. But at the same time, he wanted to show people what was really going on, and so you know, I'm with the spirit of that. That's not somebody just trying to be a vulture.

That was what he wanted.

So you know what I mean, I'm cool with it, but it was it was heartbreaking to watch man. You know, the guy had broken his neck and he had gone through surgeries and the family's upset with the doctors and everything else, and they did screw him up. But then again, you know, is a guy with Parkinson's and everything else. I mean, he wasn't going to be that much longer for this world anyhow.

But yeah, I mean again, he did pretty long for being Ozzie. Right, the world wonders we'll spend can't go that long, I hope, so, but yeah, he party hard your younger years and then you know it catches up.

With us, all of us, right, I know, I want.

To tell you why I'm here.

I know I'm not going to lost that long.

One last thing on this catch is real fast, and then tell us because you know what I watched, Well, he was for months working with a physical trainer just to get himself together to be able to do that final show. And he was literally working for months trying to make it so he could stand up during it, and in the end he ended up sitting in a throne during the whole show. But it was it was kind of an amazing journey to watch him really work at it to make a final farewell to his fans

It all went to charities.

So you know what I mean that this gives you an idea, you know, all the prince of darkness blah, and at one time in our lifespan he was like literally like the devil on.

Earth to people. But that wasn't new John.

I remember that.

Yeah, that wasn't who John Osborne was. So it's good. I think if people see this new thing anyway, you had a reason why you're on. Go ahead, take me.

Yeah, you're you're real quick.

You're close to my age, couple of year or two whatever.

It is.

Just imagine thinking it back when you.

Were like eleven, twelve, thirteen and listen to Iron Man and just been like, I assume you did like me listening to iron Man and just damn damn. How cool was that as a kid growing up to now I'm fifty five, you know, so just some of the greatest music.

We thank him for it.

When I was five, When I was five, Kent when I was five years old, I shoved an eight track new a machine and that song ended.

Up some song faded out. I don't remember that song, but I remember them.

And then Irony coming on when I was five, right, and that to me was the first time I was moved by a piece of music where I felt empowered at the age of five, and yeah, oh.

I love it.

Then the Road Warriors used it in the early eighties, you know when after they started playing music, that's when the Freebird started with Freebird, and the Road Warriors jumped on that and they come to the ring with that song. I mean, just a kick ass song all around, no doubt.

Yeah, but yeah, I'm here.

Because I decided this is an elimination game here between my Seattle Mariners and the Detroit Tigers. Okay, in game five in Seattle. Seattle hasn't won a playoff game since in twenty four years, almost a quarter century. I was a young man of thirty one, and I remember it like yesterday. I'm fifty five now, so that's how long this draft has been. And I was like, yeah, I

Yeah, you know. So there is a guy I know later, there's a guy with the bullpens. There's a guy I know from high school right now.

He's been homeless for like ten years, and what he does for work is he goes and he works concessions over there at the stadium in Seattle.

Okay, are they in tonight?

Yep?

Okay.

My friend Bill is probably out there homeless guys selling beer, okay right now. And I hope that that he's enjoying it, because he like ended up being a Mariners fan. He was a Mets fan when he lived in Jersey. But I hope he's enjoying it, and I hope everybody enjoys it. Man, Baseball is a cool game.

I still like it. And I know Uncle will want to talk about.

Well, I mean, you got to figure about the hype there in Seattle. You know, the drought we've been on.

You know.

Ichi Row was the first year, the last time we won like that.

You remember Ichi Row?

Yeah, so Zuki Ichi Row.

You know Echirosazuki excuse me, yeah, he you know, he replaced a rod.

We lost a rod to the to the to the Yankees, right, and so yeah.

That was you know, two thousand and one. That was the year nine to eleven, you know, And that's how long it's been.

Just put that in.

And by the way, I go on another twenty four year drought, I doubt I'll be around to see, you know, to see the playoff game like tonight, because I'll be almost eighty years old.

Now.

Look, if Odgy can make to whatever, maybe Spent can't can make it it to eighty. But I don't want to take chances.

So I took the night off.

I'm gonna enjoy myself one way or the other. And you know, and I wanted to pop in and say, I say hey to everybody. We're in the middle of the fifth ending or maybe going into the six. Now it's a one nothing game, so yeah, this is like winner moves on to take on the Toronto Blue Jays.

There you go, and uh yeah, yeah, well I hope I listen.

I hope it turns out the way you wanted to. I really do, because look, I would love to see one more Mets World Series championship before I die, But I doubt they're going to do it, so because why they're the Mets. Uh, it just is anyway, you know, like the Mariner's got a better change.

Actually thought they were going to make the playoffs, but they did, and Cincinnati got in.

Yeah, right like the last day, like you know, yeah, but I knew they believe they had it.

They had like three days till the season, you know, when they ended they had it. They're right there in the final wild card spot. And then they dropped the game. And then Cincinnati won their game and schnuck in and I think they had a tie breaker or something took it. I mean I didn't know about it until the game was already being play Yeah, I thought the Mets were going to be there.

It's a it's a beautiful thing. Look, I love what family. Guy, did you know this is?

This is worse than being a Mets fan. And then they go to a shot in the stadium and Stewie's wearing a Mets hat and they go Hey, look, we got an exciting season ahead of us. Here's the first pitch and it's all over and we're not going to the postseason.

That's the way it is with the Mets. It's like whenever you think they got it, they don't. It's just what they do.

Have they have they been to the World Series?

Uh?

Yeah, they've been three well four times, five times, excuse me, but they've only won one twice twice sixty eight.

So it's nice to say the maritor is the only team that haven't been to the World Series. We haven't been to the playoffs and what almost a quarter century. Wow, So you can understand, you know, the yeah, I'm excited. You think back when I was thirty one, you know, so yeah that that forced me to take a night off to just you know, I could be sitting work, dealing with stuff, watching the game and not enjoying it.

Well, look, you'll be able to recap it with uncle, you know, starting in the what the eleven o'clock hour here Eastern. So do that, man, and enjoy that game, because I wish I was sitting and watching a game I was interested in this year.

That would be great. I'm not even into very.

Many sports, but I will watch some boxing, I will watch some baseball.

I enjoy baseball, always have.

But like I say, make sure you touch basebok uncle about it because I'm sure he'll want to talk about it tonight. And God help us if you want to find out why he thinks Hulk Hogan is still live, please do Meanwhile, we got another caller, b Pete, so I'm going to him because he's been waiting a minute.

And how you doing, man?

I'm doing fine.

More importantly, how's everybody else doing?

Ah?

You know, look, it's a how is everybody doing? How about that? Danny comes?

Man?

Oh?

God, you know, I don't know. I don't know anybody who's like happy, you know what I mean about things?

Right?

Now in general, right, maybe it's just me. Maybe I attract unhappy people.

I don't know. You know what's on your mind though, that's what's important.

Well, I got, I got, I got a lot of things on my mind. First of all, I want to kind of it would be connected with JFK and a little bit of California politics. And I've been touching a lot of your casts and they're running California politics commercials because we got a special election. But something came up with you and Larry handcuffed. You talked about William K. Harvey and getting this like documentation with the f FA.

Was just a different world. So it's kind of a it was kind of a.

I don't know what to think of.

It just seems kind of strange. Nineteen sixty three, Why would you Why would you need that that cover when you can just stay cash and nobody would ask you who you are or what I mean. I'm just I'm kind of like puzzled if that makes.

Sense, Well, a couple of things. Utilizing cash in general can become traceable depending right number one, number two, Why bother with that? If you don't need cash and you're not registered on that flight, you're not even on the manifest if you deadheaded, right, if you do it a certain way, and pilots did that. That's why I talked about that during that show. When you deadhead on a flight, you're not on the manifest. Okay, So there's no record at all. You buy a ticket, they still want a name,

So you know, So that's why I explored that with Larry, and and that's where he wanted to go with it. And I do think it's of interest.

You know, some people think it's a more mundane who cares, you know, but there's never no reason for stuff like this, you know. I'm just saying there's always something to run it.

So who knows what we might learn?

I don't know anyway, That's that's where I came down on it. You know, you judge for yourself, and obviously you got to hear from Larry, who's a more sober commentator.

About this than I am.

But but still, I mean, I've got ideas, but I would never speak about him because, you know, unless I've got something solid to present to you, I'm not going to tell you it's information. I'll speculate with you all day long, but I'm careful about what I say is information and what is not.

You know what I mean, I get it.

Yeah, So there you go.

But California politics. I'm surprised you bring this up because you know your boy Gavin Newsom out there. I don't know what to make of him now, you know, honestly, it's getting a little strange.

I lately.

Yeah, I know what his opposition makes of them, but that's the same thing they were making up two years ago, so whatever.

But his behavior patterns are changing. So I don't know what that means. Yeah, anyway, well he's running for president.

But you know, they and you know, it's just you know, what's happening is.

You're getting these commercials.

We get this.

We've had here in the state of California, we've had kind of a nonpartisan trying to make the elections you know fair, you know, for representations. It's a predominantly Democratic state, but there's it's a big state, and there's a lot of Conservatives and there's a lot of Republicans and they need a voice too, right, So they've tried to get a put together nonpartisan commission to kind of draw up

No, be.

What do I know? He's well, that's true, I get it. It doesn't take it from you know, you know, the the Israel lobby. She was heavily campaigned against by the a lot of the crypto money, the same money that kind of the same backers that kind of you know got you know, Trump's bitcoin gowing. And they also knocked out Shared Brown because they want to they want to regulate some of this uh cryptocurrency. She's running for governor. Policy wise, she's more to my liking than anybody running.

Let me ask you something about Let me ask you something about her, because you know, I brought up the new Jersey gougnatorial race on my show right, which is in a special time this year, and Mikey Cheryl.

Who has basically gotten docks by the end by Nara.

Okay, that's the way I see it, you know. And it's weird to watch what's going on over in Jersey. But you know, the corruption pendulum swings just like left and right. It's a purple state.

It just is.

Right.

So it's so strange to watch that over there. Has anybody pulled any crap like that in California? Has anybody turned around?

No?

No, So no document dumps at Oops.

Accidentally we're going to show your home address, your parents' home address, your solid security number, your bank accounts, Oops, National Archives.

They didn't do that, oh to anybody over there.

I haven't. I don't remember that that going that far.

But it's definitely coordinated, and there's and and hey, she's got some staffers that she doesn't get along with, and she's brought it on herself. But here's the thing. I'm almost willing to call her office and tell her how to handle it. I mean, I don't want to run for politics. But I can tell you she just needs to call a conference apologize for being her snappers. And all she has to do is say, yeah, I'm a bitch.

Well, let me ask you a question.

Let me just ask you an objective because here's a question I do not usually I ask questions.

I already know what the answer should be, but I don't know this answer at all. Here's the thing.

Would liberals accept that, because you know what, they are so quick with the circular firing squad? I know people on the show disagree with me all the time about that. But I got to tell you, no, I don't think liberals would accept Look, I'm a bitch, I get things done. I don't think they would take that. They'd be like, how dare you insult women? And you know what is the real solution?

That's always the pub Well, you know, I think we're I would say, prior to the Trump era, I would one hundred percent agree with you. That just would just not bode well. But we're in a weird time election. I mean, look at the stuff that I mean, I know, I'm going to go on my dough my derangement center. Look at the stuff he gets away that this would have never happened whether you were a Republican or a Democrat, and he gets away with it.

Yeah.

No, I just think it's now the point you lean into it.

Gavin Newsoen leaned into some of the parody into Trump, even though I personally don't like it. I think it's kind of childish. But guess what, he went up in the polls.

So it may be, you know.

And that's why I asked it as an open question because it may be the correct thing to do. I don't know, because at this point, I mean, look what happened to Ellen degenerous, right, miss a happy dancing around. Hey, I'm a you know, I'm a liberal darling until we find out that she was a nightmare to work for and stuff.

In her career ended exactly.

You know.

So I'm just saying I'm not saying that Ellen degenerous is equal to a politician.

I'm just saying that when it comes to public opinion.

Though, certain people swing in certain directions and some things are acceptable. You know, Al Frankin has gotten rid of right, but other guys can say all kinds of wild stuff and nobody loses their job, you know what I mean. It's definitely the left and the right do not function the same way with their elimination.

System as far as deciding that somebody is no longer tenable.

Like the guy who was I don't know, the cross gesterer that was like defrauding people and all that, George whatever his name was.

They got rid of him on the Republicans.

Yeah, there you go that they eventually, I think they Yeah. I was waiting for the Republicans to get rid of him.

Yeah they wait.

Look, they dragged their feet and defended him like they do all the time, and then they cut him loose. So you know, they have a different methodology for getting rid of their let's call it negative negative assets und.

Perfect. Oh that's perfect me, pete.

They have a You gotta admit, there is a different methodology to eliminating the undesirables, right, So I don't know if that would work for Katie Porter. Let's go with somebody who is in opposition to Katie Porter and ask his opinion. Be Pete, because you were laughing at the moment that Danny was saying anything positive about her. But I mean, objectively, do you think she could survive? Go and look, I'm a bitch, I get things done and spin this back around to yes.

So what do you think among Demo Among Democrats in California, Yeah, she'd get away with it. You think so, well, the state is like yeah, the state is like sixty Look at Karen Bass and the crap she has said over all that. I mean, you know, she was a rabble rouser from way back back in her college days. Okay, and she gets elected. So you know, there's a lot of politicians in California that have a history of radicalism

Okay.

Like I said, I asked that question not knowing what my answer would be. Even you know, I'm literally asking it to please inform me and both of you seem to think it might work.

You know, I wouldn't think it would have worked like twenty years ago, but right now, I mean, I'll give you an example.

No pre nine eleven, yeah, Danny, Danny real quick, pre nine eleven. No way, pre nine eleven, no.

Way pre nine pre pre nine eleven.

Okay.

Arnold Schwarzenegger became the governor of California and there was a recall for Gray Davis. Now, Gray Davis, as far as my politics go, I liked him as a candidate, but he did disgust me because what the Democratic Party did is they actually there was actually a guy named Dan Riard and who was actually a pretty popular mayor in la He was a Republican and he probably could have won. I mean he actually La is a more liberal city and he ran that city and he was likable.

Well, look fair enough, and Danny, we're running low on time. I want to get everybody back on. There's still waiting, and I'd like to give him all a chance to kind of give a final word for the week. So we'll just start with you since you're already on, and then I'll go back around to Jimmy and then to spend Ken.

Yeah, just everybody take care. I mean, I don't want to be a downer, but this is the one your anniversary. You lost our son in law, and yeah, and he was a young man, he was a good he was a great guy. We missed him terribly. So just hold on the ones you love because you never know what's going to happen tomorrow.

Well you know that sound advice, And also you have the continuation you still have a relationship you know, with a part of the man, and he's a memory for your family, and you know what, you could just consider it a limited time blessing that he was there. Right, So that's the way I would try knock at it. And I know that you're going to do that too, man, and I appreciate you. Thanks for calling in.

You're welcome.

So there's Danny. Now let's go to Jimmy James and see what is a final word for the week.

Is Jimmy your shout out? Final whatever?

Wow, we'll shut up to presumptive future governor Katie Porter.

Look, you know we get it.

I mean you're a hot tick. You're used to getting away mean girl stuff. I mean you buy just used your extraordinary beat duty to.

Sciz thattle through life, you know.

O masmerizing us man with your agees now getting away with speeding tickets and things like that with your hotness. But you got control that, Katie Porter. I mean, you're just you're just too powerful and your arguments they're just too persuasive. It's just too much, too much up woman, Katie.

Uh, Jimmy James with them with the sarcasm, Thanks for calling. I love it when Jimmy does that anyways, sped can I think we still got you go ahead and give your final thought for the evening.

Well, I'm glad I got to, you know, jump in for a little bit. I'll try to be back crown more off. Yeah, since we have. But they've gone up to the one and we're going into the seventh inning now I think, or we're into seventh inning. So, uh, this one pitcher the Spires less, they can't. They put him in Game four. He gave a bunch of runs. We lost that game. We should have won it. We were up three to nothing halfway through the game, same

There you go.

Spend can't with the play by play, and Spen can't with the play by play and the recap on that, and B Pete, I reserved the last minute here for you.

Go for it, whatever it is you got on your mind.

Well, I appreciate everybody for calling in. Got another week in the can, and I guess we'll just look forward to doing it again next week. Go to a celi dot com, hit the donate button, stick the crowbar in your wallet.

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