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We had betted on today ifeople didn't catch it covering dark DNA, just showing like how they could funk around and manipulate that ship. Actually, so im wondering if our technology is actually even manipulating us to begin with our DNA going by the way he was showing that again.
Well, if we go back to uh ahesh. I. I keep thinking about that episode, you know, because that was like thinking about computer vision really changes your perspective on things like that's the first form of intelligence is visual stimulus, And so thinking about that in reference to some of these other topics like Alex Gray, for instance, one of my favorite artists. He's putting eyeballs everywhere, you know, the guy who does the tool stuff.
Yeah, and it's like that's.
The birth of intelligence and he's putting into all these different spots as sort of like this interlocking you know, mesh work. But yeah, it's like the DNA specifically. He talks about how there's there's no reason why DNA changes after you've already been born, but it does, right, that's the epigenetic factor. And the epigenetic factor isn't really explored too much by science. So the dark DNA stuff, that's very important, you know, So I do that. Let me let me get into my pull this up back to
the pentacles. Yeah, this symbol means death.
What this mysterious ancient symbol appears again and again in Nordic Bronze Age artifacts and throughout Bronze Age Europe. Over three thousand years ago, this pointed star or rosette shape was fashioned into the basis of wooden and metal cups, was stamped into golden bowls, and even crowned the tops of the famous Bronze Age gold hats of Central Europe.
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Now, I gotta stop it right there, because as you could see, like these sun shapes are very similar to the sand dollar. And what he gets into a little bit is how the sand dollar is very influential. But where else do you find the five pointed star in a circle. It's the pedacle, so the sand dollar could be the birth of the pentacle. And it goes back well this is fourteen hundred BC, but it goes back either.
Shore to be a solar symbol, one of many signs related to the sun focused Bronze Age religion, and maybe it is. But the specific design perhaps comes from somewhere unexpected deep that helps us understand more about our ancestors beliefs. This fascinating twenty twenty four paper by Christian Horn suggests the motif comes from the sea. Along the beaches of the Baltic Sea, Nordic Bronze Age people encountered fossilized sea urchins,
naturally weathered out of local deposits. These fossils often display a striking five raid star pattern, almost identical to the motif.
Scene on how pantical is that? I mean, come on, this is part two, but you could see exactly where all of this stuff is coming from. It has to do with the sun, it has to do with the sea, It has to do with bringing things down into reality. It's the point where you know, the you know, the altar of the world is sort of handed to you, right they're telling you, hey, this is this is supportant One age artifacts.
And these fossils were deliberately collected and placed in burials alongside amber shells, seaweed, and water worn stones, because in many Indo European traditions, the afterlife lies beyond the sea. The dead joney westwards following the sun, crossing water to reach the realm of the ancestors. Beaches then were liminal places, the threshold between worlds. The star marked sea urchin fossil
represented this concept. Maybe it was understood as a solar or star symbol, but somehow born from the sea, these ancient and mysterious stones marked with a natural symbol that mirrored the cosmic order. So it became a material link between land and water, between this world and the afterlife, between the living and the ancestors.
And when the.
Same star symbol was used on drinking vessels and ritual objects, it's embedding these cosmo logical ideas into ritual acts. And when placed in tombs, tombs that could themselves be shaped like the symbol, it was a reminder that death, like the sun sets across the sea, and perhaps that one day the soul will return again like the tides and
like the sun each day. Interestingly, these fossils have also been found in much later Anglo Saxon sites and burials in eastern England too, perhaps a truly ancient practice brought by the early medieval invaders. You can find out more about Bronze Age religion on my channel.
Now, well, what do you think? What do you think is there a link between the pentacle and these sea urchins or sand dollars as we call them. Those are different different species of sea urchin, making this carapace, this sort of connection between you know, the liminal space of the sea.
I could see that even with the pentacle if you think about it, depending on how it's being used or represented, like in ceremonial magic, it is actually even though it's associated with Earth, it would also be representing the other
elements and spirit. So I mean I could see it being you know, associated with water in that sense, like it's it's tied to the earth, you know what I'm saying, Like it's grounded to the earth reutless, you know, So like that that water is still like laying on the earth.
And water is a potent symbol for spirit too, So you've got soul. Did he say whether or not that soul had a you in it or was it just oh yeah, I think you mentioned that soul, soul, soul the sun, right, Like we're seeing that connection, right, there's there's that huge connection between the sun and the afterlife and all the rest of the stuff that you get in the five pointed star that you can't really get too many other places. But it's a different kind of pentacle.
It's a more pointed and less geometric shape. But you see it also with the the starfish, right, five sides for the starfish as well. So I think a lot of our symbols do come from the ocean, and you know, people aren't really too.
Hip to it, you know, no I even uh even like a thing that's even kind of like well used for isis or like a certain feminine goddess, you know, goddesses obviously the feminine of their goddess seashells for like like using those who like put stuff in for like offerings, or I've seen people incorporate seashells just.
To you know, again something to do with the water and feminine femininity.
The birth of aphrodity. She comes out of a seashell, right, sea foam, seashell. That's where love comes from. Love's coming from the ocean. That's interesting.
Yeah, depending on like what I was using.
Sometimes, if I was like working like with Isis, I think I would use if I had a sage stick, I would put it out or put it.
In the seashell like so like you know, I changed that out.
I guess to represent close enoughmor something to do with the feminine. But yeah, seashells and stuff with the water for sure. Me definitely forgottess and feminine energy and again birthing stuff into reality, and to bring birthing stuff into form, even the child, even the woman breaks water.
Would you know, Well, the path of the sun seems to be where you get your soul from, right, I mean it's in the name. So your birth sign is the solar sign, right. The soul coming up at a certain part of the sky gives you your birth sign. So it's it's sort of like it's all sort of incorporated into the soul idea. It's like the sun is imprinting on you certain aspects.
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I, Hey, so would people talk about solar worship, they don't really incorporate the idea of the birth sign. But really, why not? Why not? It's right there, you know. So sun worship, I think, is getting a lot more attention nowadays, probably because people are a little bit more you know, aware that there's this ancient, ancient link to sun worship, and it has to do a lot with psychology and how we view the world around us, whether it's a
good place or a bad place. If you think about gnosticism, narcissism sees birth into this world is sort of like a villainous act, right, It's like the archons and put you into this horrible place, whereas sun worship is like the opposites. It's like, thank you for giving me life, thank you for imprinting me. It's a completely different view of the things that we're given. You know. Let's see.
Yes, so I figured in order to combat all your penis gods, I brought the vagina goddess. She could definitely handle that. Other that could do with that you brought on. I'm sure a guy who's got like at all, She's like, I got you.
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This is a Chilander Gigs, this stone woman at the threshold, Sheila da Gig is a figurative carving of a naked woman displaying an exaggerated vulva. These carvings from the Middle Ages are architectural and they're found throughout most of Europe on cathedrals, castles.
And other buildings.
The greatest concentrations can be found in Island, Great Britain, France and Spain, sometimes together with male figures. Ireland has the greatest number of surviving, surviving carvings, and they've been sighted up to I think one hundred and twenty four examples in Ireland and forty five they found forty five in Britain. The carvings, Yeah right, I'll get into a little bit of this later. The carvings may have been used to ward off death evil demons of the grotesque carverings,
such as gargoyles and hunky punks. I don't even know what the fuck that is. We're funky punks any way, I got I gotta do that one next week. We're frequently part of church decorations all over Europe. Scarlets disagree about the origins of the figure. James Jarman and Anthony Weir believe that Shilan and the Gigs were first carved in France, and Spain during the eleventh century. De motif eventually reached Britain and then Ireland in the twelfth century.
German and were work was a continuation of research begun by Jorgan Anderson, who wrote The Witch on the Wall in nineteen seventy seven. The first series book on Shilan and the Gigs someone by someone In Kelly, keeper of Irish Antiquities at the National Museum of Ireland in Dublin. He draws a to the distribution of Silani giggs in
Ireland to support We're in Germane's German's theory. Popular hypothesis is Shilen and Gig represents a pagan goddess, but academics believe the situation was more complex, with multiple interpretations and roles for the female character. As a as spiritual traditions change over time, the goddess in question usually is identified as Celtic, the hag, like Calique Kalech figure of Irish
and Scottis mythology. Margaret Murray proposed this, as did Anne Ross, who wrote in her essay The Divine Hag of the Pagan Celts. I would like to suggest that there that in their earliest iconography form they do, in fact, portray the territorial war.
Goddess in her hag like aspect.
Georgia Rhodes suggests the figure may represent the Crone or an Earth goddess from Celtic mythology. Mercy Mercy Allays the Encyclopedia of Religion in nineteen ninety three draws parallels between the Shilander gig and ancient Irish myth of the goddess who granted kingship. She would appear as a lustful hag, and most member refuse her advances, except for one man who accepted. When he had relations with her, she was transformed into a beautiful maiden who would comfort royalty onto.
Him and bless his reign. It's like beauty and the beast, with the other way around.
There are additional the prince you remember the frog gig and I kissed the frog to get a prince this year.
There are additional variants of this common Northern European motif see loathly lady. Anderson devotes a chapter to his theory entitled Pagan and Medieval, while suggesting possible pagan influences on Irish shilan at the gigs, he considers them as having a medieval context. He argues that pagan origins are less likely than influence from the continent during the medieval period.
What can be said against it is that it is less easily proved and can be less easily illustrated than the possible continental French origin for the motif.
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Some of the things that it's also been supposedly again, I mentioned fertility, or maybe I didn't. It's been looked at for fertility. This hypothesis usually is combined with the goddess explanation. Barbera fried Tag suggests the figures were used in fertility contexts and associate them with birthing stones. This is folkloric evidence of at least some of the Silani gigs being used in this manner, with the figurines being
loaned out to women in labor. It's also been looked at as a thing for lust, where in German suggested that silandigigs served as a worn against lust. They see the figures as a religious warning against sins of the flesh. Exhibitionist figures of old types male, female, and bestial are found frequently in company of image of beasts devouring people and of the Hellish images. These images, they argue, were used as means of religious instructions to a largerly largely
illiterate populace. And it's also been known as for protection. And again Anderson and Weir and German think the figures also have been used to protect against evil. This would explain the use of the figurines on structures such as castles. They served as apotropaic function designed to ward off evil. In Ireland, some of the figurines were called the evil
eye stones, which supported their theory. Some folkloric evidence is known as a oh God and a Sma skirt lifting being used by a woman to ward off evil spirits. And uh yeah, I think I got a few more that I could show real quick. There he goes another one.
Oh yep, there she goes. It's funny. Eye shape is similar in all these different depictions. It's it's very It kind of has uh Samerian feel to it. That one's that one's a little bit more Easter Island, right yeah, right, interesting down spout fucking eyes even bugget out of this one. That shit hurts right well. I think the the eyes are shaped like it's supposed to look like wrinkles. I think that's that's what it's sort of saying to me. It's it's supposed to be a haggish sort of yeah wrinkle.
But you know, to point something out that none of these other guys are are pointing out when it comes to this thing, is that you've got father time and mother's space. They have to put these on top of all of these cathedrals, and they have to put them on top of castles, all places where you've got to be thinking about the use of space, right, and you could see over and over again, and all of these cathedrals in Europe they've got very very strong goddess vibes,
like the three entryways. The middle door is always the largest because it's supposed to symbolize two legs, like you're going inside of the body of the goddess, inside of the space, right, So like they're not thinking about this from the perspective of like the holistic view of it. Like the letter M, for instance, is supposed to be a motherly type letter and its shaped like two legs, right giving birth. This is the same kind of giving
birth motif, and it's on top of these castles. So you know, we're not going with the aspect of maybe cosmology, we're going with, Oh, these are just you know, silly spirits. But in fact, if you think about it, all interior space is have kind of a feminine quality to them. I didn't design the body or how things are produced, but all things come from inside to the outside world. Than in doing so, it creates that kind of that
that motif itself, you know. So I think there is there's more to this idea of mother space in father time then people are giving credit to. But it's it's there, you know. I mean, they can't design a building without a little bit of that femininity aspect to it, exactly.
There we go.
All right, Well, I think we've got some mail. I'm gotta check. So, I don't know, have you been following what's going on in Australia.
No, what's going on.
They're passing a bill that well they split it up into several bills that now illegalizes speech that has already been said. So they're retroactively classifying people's speech is being illegal. Yeah, this is like UK on steroids, right, that's crazy. It's utterly incomprehensible. But what I think it is is that the government is so hungry for a win against the people. They feel that, you know, they've been programmed their entire
lives to fear more than anybody else. Right, they think that they're targeting Nazis by targeting the whole country, and so they're going to take everybody and put them onto the same classification because you have to have radical equality when it comes to these laws. And the added bonus is that now you can illegalize any political challenger to your reign. You could just you know, preemptively classify them as illegal and they never can form a political party,
so you don't have to worry about it. Like this shores up all the problems that they see with democracy, which is what if the wrong guy gets elected? This is perfect for that. Well that's what all governments worry about, right, what if the wrong guy gets elected? We could see it over and over again with Donald Trump's first administration. Oh no, the wrong guy got elected.
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Tell you, man, this is the wrong with your email.
It's gotta be. I'm gonna I'm gonna start a different one. I'm doing test emails to myself. Gmail has has always had this problem, and I guess it's it's just a continuation of that.
Yeah, I literally took about an hour and a half the and the guy who's like swearing, he's like, do what I sent you the email forty five minutes.
I didn't get an email for an hour and a half later. I was like, what the fuck?
That's got to go through all sorts of filters.
We might be able to get a David Shoemaker on the show. That should be interesting. Psychologist, psychologist who was he has his own I don't think it's his. I think he's runs it a a lineage and he also has a he's also he also has some books he's into, like the Lima, but he's he's an.
Actively cut into that. He's an academic.
Yeah, he looks at it totally different than than some people for sure.
Right, But the Astro mar Gentome is really interesting to me. It'd be nice to have an insighter on We can you know, go back and forth about it. You can kind of pick up on the philosophies that these organizations have through the way that they described the world. And you know, that's a very valuable insight considering you know, all of the interest nowadays, but hardly any time is actually spent listening to the people as much as it is, you know, demonizing their organizations.
Oh yeah, that was exactly.
War did or not? You still want to hear the people, right exactly? Well yeah, I think. Oh. Also she's she's talking about father Time as being saturn her Cronos again, right, So Cronos was his partner was Raya, And Raya is the most similar to Kiblik, I believe came from all of those. Have you ever seen the Venus of Willendorf? So the Venus of Willendorf is like one of the
oldest representations of a goddess. It's like forty thousand years old, right, Like it's it's supposed to be a goddess, but the head on it is like strange, it's not exactly ahead, and it looks like what a pregnant woman would see looking down at herself, right, So it looks like it's carved by a pregnant woman who's looking down at herself. And this is like one of the oldest forms of God as worship. And it's interesting that Raya is the mother of all of the Olympians, right, So Pronos he
represents the last generation of Titans. Raya represents the new generation of Olympians, right, she's giving birth to Zeus and all the rest of these. Now, that goes back forty thousand years according to the you know, secretism on it. So the idea of the new gods being birth out of this Kaivalier space, which is, you know, back to the mother and the father father time mother space. That really puts a different view on things. It almost goes back to the cognitive formation of what it is to
be human, right. I think there's something really primal about that, because you know, we do change the way we see the world. That's one thing that you could say about history. We change the way we see the world, right, And so to have that perspective back then, it tells you
something about the different level that they were on. They were seeing the world in ways that we can't possibly imagine, and we sort of take for granted all of the well, I guess we would look at them as childlike symbols, but these are symbols that survive for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, right, like the Squatterman for instance. Squatterman is a very interesting motif that spans five continents for thousands and thousands of years and people think it's
just a stick figure. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's something a little deeper than that. Maybe it's something that you see when you blast off, because I believe back then that was part of their rituals is blasting off outside of the body, you know.
I hope so.
Right as one would you know what, I mean, to think that they weren't seeing anything, it's just ridiculous. And to think that there wouldn't be a similarity between the things that they see, that almost seems even more ridiculous. We're all working with the same brains, and if we're blasting off outside of our bodies, we're going to see similar things.
Yeah, that's the wildest ship.
Actually, Yeah, so I think you pill them from the same flow of energy, flow of ideas or whatever, a stream of consciousness or whatever the fuck.
Right, all being culturally you know, consumed. So it's it's connected to all these other symbols, just like we do today, I mean our symbols, you know, think about the matrix, right, this is a cultural abstraction of the idea of gnostisism, right where you've got this uh simulacrum that you're living in this false reality and they were talking about that
thousands of years too. But you know, we've got this new cultural symbol for it, which is this green lettering that's coming down that represents the matrix, right, And what do we see our lives sort of existing in is the same sort of cyclical pattern that we've seen with gnostissism, you know, two thousand years ago. It's very similar. And when does the gnostic text come out? You know, when do they discover this thing or reveal it to the public.
Nineteen forty seven, the same year that we get the CIA, This intelligence agency is connected to this false reality, right, maybe in just a tangential way, but maybe that's sort of the matrix we're living in, is that informational matrix. It seems plausible. It's a symbol, right, And these things reoccur having to do with how we see the world. So having different cultural motifs for the same concept over and over again doesn't seem very far fettered me.
No, no at all. M hmm. Yeah, this is Oh yo, do we have that start that thing? This weekend? Is that this weekend? I can't remember? Oh no, no, it's nice next it's next week. Sorry, my bad, So you get nervous.
You have Ronnie Pontiac though, tomorrow that guy yeah, he uh he works for Manley p Hole and he's doing it. He's covering a book of his that's about near death experiences. Oh man, Yeah, isn't interesting.
Alchemy too, right, He's that's what got him started, as alchemy is translating the works and alchemists.
Yeah. Yeah, nice guys, So it should be interesting tomorrow. Yeah.
Absolutely, Well this has been another Headless's mail bag, another empty mail bag. Guys, come on right, what the fuck?
The fuck? Oh yo, you know what too? I don't know if you if you can meet? Did Jules ask you about tonight? Yes? Yeah, yeah, we'll be live again, coming back at nine, right, yeah, and I know a time time, my time, that's right, yeah, right now.
I'm gonna try and get all of my shows around seven thirty. So if you guys are wondering what I'm gonna go live, it's gonna be around seven thirty. We're going to try and keep that consistence.
Oh you know, I didn't even mention anything before.
And I guess people watch it doesn't matter on YouTube because they're not watching it now. But for people who are listening on audio, if you do happen or what happened, he doesn't do it anymore. No, it's on the audio. It's on it's on Headless's end. So if you want to get to seven seven seven or even this, so you have to go watch it our headlesses that not
mind anymore. So yeah, there you go. So people catching the audio thinking you haven't seen it, it's because you're looking at the wrong channel.
Come on over.
Yeah, yeah, there's actually tell you the truth. It might actually again, I was even I think I've said this before. It's even easier to an extent for me to put a lot more stuff out on audio than it is on video. Like, if there's stuff that really doesn't need fucking visuals, I'm probably just gonna put it on spreaker if it's a solo show.
So keep an eye out.
There may actually be more audio to listen to than visuals on YouTube, especially for censored shit too.
So right, yeah, right, check that out.
Oh plus a pointed star looks like the eight pointed chaos star. Oh yeah, in the eight points could be the different directions like space.
Yeah, did you ever see that on there's a dude who has that right?
Uh God, I'm trying to think of there's an account that looks like it has the eight pointed star kind of like an arrows in inside of a coming out of a cut with the cub in the middle.
Yeah, yeah, that's the fucking account.
Is that?
Fuck? I can't remember, Yeah, I.
Forgot, but it's the perfect symbol. It's like, so everybody gets freaked out about Saturn, but when you when you put it in context with the rest of it, it kind of starts to make a little bit more sense, and you can see yourself as being, you know, a part of a greater hole when you understand it a little bit better. And I think that's uh, I think that's what we're here to do, right, make people at least feel at home in this place instead of being
alienated all the time. I mean, ship, we're all going through it, so you know, let's uh at least appreciate the rod a little bit. Alright, guys, So we'll see you again at nine p m. C s T. And uh, we catch you later.