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Welcome to the occult rejects. In this episode, we got a bunch of us on today to talk about whole Star and the uh I guess the guest of honor. We got Mario from Symbolic Studies. Luckily, this is one of his favorite topics that he was telling us, so I didn't have to annoy him.
Covering this topic with us.
But before we get to him, I would like to have even though it's a bunch of us here, I'll give everybody a chance to plug their stuff and we'll just go and order and how it is on the screen. We'll start off with the Headless Giant first. Please go ahead, sir.
I'm the Headless Giant. You can find me up on YouTube. If you want to give me your cult, magical paranormal stories, you can message. You can send me an email at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com. I already got a couple for next week's Mystical mail Bag, so just send those in awesome.
Yes, if you didn't bring that up, I was going to bring that up, So please listeners, if you got anything interesting, please send it to my man over there.
Thank you very much.
Head listen, check out his stuff and his links will be in the bottom.
Teresa, what is up? Let everybody know what your deal is? Please?
Yeah, so thanks for having me. Check out the Spiritual Gangsters podcast. And also I make fun handmade stuff, so if people want to check out my SI shop, I have two ones called Loyal to the Foil and one is called pat Remy for kids stuff.
So yeah, check it out.
Listen.
Thank you very much, Teresa and Ethan Indigo Man, thank you very much for joining us.
Honored to be here with you guys. This is a great topic. I'm on all the social media and I'm my writer obsessively. Some might say, so yeah, stuck to be here.
I'm glad you're here as well, so I always appreciate your point of view on things.
And TJ the Numbers Guy, what is up? Buddy?
Yo?
What's up?
What's up?
You can find me at Contemporary Problems Underscore. You search it, you will find me. I'm on social media and all those things.
Definitely go check out his instagram. He's got some fire memes and posts, and we got Robbie Marx the og in the house. What's going on?
So let everybody know where they can find your amazing art and your stuff.
Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's always a great time to sit down with you know, this this circle. As far as my stuff, I'm an artist, I also have a podcast and I'm currently writing a book. But if you want to check out all my stuff, you can go to my link tree, which is linked tree r m A r x R marks and then I'll pull up all of my goods.
Yeah, definitely go.
You know, Robbie, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't realize how many shows you have on your podcast now. Yeah, I was like, Yo, this kind of looks like a regular like you would almost think it's a regular podcast, not that it's not, but you know what I'm saying that, like those are old guest appearances.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like, Yo, that's a lot. Holy crap. Good for Robbie. Good for you.
That's the meta aspect of it.
Yeah, that is crazy.
The guy has his own podcast just from being a guest on other people's shows. I mean, who's got it better than him? I don't even have to record my old stuff.
Good for you.
So yeah, definitely go check out Robbie books and stuff if everybody listening. And finally to the man himself, Mario from Symbolic Studies. Please Mario, for all the newbies and people who don't know who you are, just let everybody know what's up.
Yeah, for sure, you can find all my stuff at Symbolic Studies dot com. I'm all over the place you too, Tube, Instagram, Twitter, things like that, And basically I put out content mostly around the astrological signs during the sign itself following the Tropical system, but I do post occasionally about other things, including stuff related to the Polestar, the North Star. This
is easily one of my all time favorite subjects. And I'll say that as information has sort of been revealed to me regarding the Polestar and its nature, it's really been a paradigm shift.
I'll just put it that way.
It's been a huge, huge paradigm shift for me, and so I feel like I'm still going through it, and you know, we'll be able to talk about some of the key aspects or whatever. But it's such a game changer to understand sort of its symbolic value that it would take many multiple episodes to kind of get through everything, and I have, you know, literally dozens of books on the topic, some of them I've definitely read through. Some I'm still waiting to get around to and everything else.
But we'll see what we can and talk about here. And I think to kick things off too, I'll probably just talk about my journey coming to sort of become interested in the poll star.
What do you think?
So one thing I did want to ask you real quick, Mary, I'm trying to interrupt. I was just wondering, that's putting on the spot. How how long have you been doing this? For doing this, you know, the soul symbolic studies.
Thing for.
As a channel, It's been around since twenty twenty, so it was a Scorpio season twenty twenty when I posted my first video. But I've been collecting symbolic dictionaries and reference books since about two thousand and eight.
I would say, I don't know why.
I just assumed you were out much longer before me, and I.
Guess really may maybe a few months or six months.
I don't know, No, really, yeah, I don't know why.
I just always assumed you were around for a few years before me, because I was gonna be like, this guy's probably been out of for like seven to ten years now, I've.
No so I wanted to.
I actually really wanted to talk about conspiracy, fringe, paranormal stuff for many, many years, and I felt like some of the topics I wanted to talk about were actually maybe too controversial for my blood personally, you know. I didn't want to put myself out there talk about all these things, and so kind of a happy compromise was talking about symbolism, you know, and I became really interested in symbolism just throughout those years. And finally I was like,
you know, I'm learning so much. I feel like I'm almost absorbing too much, but I'm not putting anything out, and I feel like that can really be like.
An imbalance that you can have.
You can consume way too much, and if you're not like talking about it or doing something with it, if you're not taking sort of any action with that information, I think that it can kind of be detrimental. So yeah, so I decided to kick things off in twenty twenty. But yeah, so you know, for me, the Pole Star, it's so fascinating and it's so interesting, and it wasn't on my radar to really look into it until about
twenty fourteen or so, twenty fifteen. And the reason why is because I caught that first way of flat earth information that was coming out. Whatever you might think about it, right, I was curious about it, and I wanted to know what people were referring to with it. And actually there is a guy who became really well known in that community. His name is Eric Dubay, and I was following his blog. Before Eric Dubay had ever mentioned anything about, you know, flat Earth at all, and so he used to talk
about freemasonry and occultism. He would talk a lot about Atlantis and whatever. And he put out his first blog post about it, and I was completely like, I didn't know what to think. Actually, I was more like stunned, right, I was like, this guy's really talking about this, this is actually a thing. I respect his other work and information, but it kind of came out of left field for me. And I downloaded his first book that he put out.
It was a PDF called two hundred Proofs, and it was about all of the anomalies that basically sort of exist with like standard cosmology, right, what we actually live on and everything else and So that really started my journey with like getting into just the different content creators that we're putting out videos that we're at least questioning sort of what we're living on and like what the
deal is. And that really opened me up to like ancient cosmologies and how ancient peoples saw things and whatever, and it's way more holistic. And at the end of the day, my big takeaway from all of that was that we at the very least just do not live on what we've been taught like in school. Right, So that's at the end of the day kind of like for the most part, how far I'll go with everything.
There's a lot of other things we can talk about with that, but I was pretty convinced that at the very least, like what I was taught isn't the truth. And when you start getting into like geocentrism and the nature of heliocentrism, what it is to be a heliocentrist and be taught that the sun is the center of
all things. When you start learning about all of that stuff, one of the things that actually comes to like the surface to as like a talking point something to like look into is the fixed stars, the stellar you know, tradition basically where in today's world, you know, most everybody, and I put out a ton of information about astrology, right, but today's skyclock would be the sun, the constellations around the ecliptic right around the path of the sun, the
wandering stars, right. And what I realized is that this wasn't always the skyclock for people. And so you can make the case. And certainly there are cultures that use the moon as their central skyclock, right, they go based on a lunar calendar, their holy days fall based on
that cycle with the moon. But there was a skyclock before that, and it was the fixed stars basically, and all of the fixed stars go around a central star, which is the pole star, which is the north star, right, And so the constellations that are really close to the polestar are Ursa Major and Ursa Minor and Draco, and these constellations were like really really important way back in the day, and so they've kind of been occulted or a lot of people just aren't aware of their significance
and value and everything else. So as I started researching, you know, things related to like alternative cosmologies, geocentrism versus helio centrism.
All that.
The Polestar became kind of a topic of conversation and it would just be brought up more because it's the center of the heavens basically, And so that started my sort of journey with wanting to know more about the star itself and like everything that it represents, and so over time I started picking up books that were related to it. Over time, I got really interested in the Tarot as well. And one of the sort of interesting
things was my trip to India. I went to India, and it was interesting to see just like you know, the swastika out in the wild as an example, and I met this young guy and without me really prompting him in any way, he basically mentioned that his guru teaches like a geocentric model, that he's not a heliocentrist basically, which I thought was like fascinating because I was reading about it at the time, and so there's a lot of polar symbolism over in the Eastern world, and so
slowly but surely I started kind of getting like some traction and I was starting to like understand what the polestar represented more and more and more, and then I realized that there were occult circles, black magical circles that really revered the Polestar as well, and really had almost like a framework that integrated some of these RN constellations
and everything else. And I was really fortunate to have a friend that owned a small bookstore in Portland, Oregon, and she knew that I was kind of pulling at this thread, this northern polar sort of thing, and she would literally see books, set them aside for me and let me borrow them and basically just let me read them and skim through them. And she turned me on too, like three or four really really key books that completely
changed my trajectory with everything. I also, at the same time was getting really interested in wanting to know about love Craftian magic, basically basically love Craft and black magic. And I knew that this was like definitely a thing, and it's almost like its own sort of like scene. Basically there's a lot of authors, there's a lot of books, there's a lot of information.
Out there, and I was like, what is this all about?
And because I wanted to know more about cult history, I felt like I needed to kind of give it my due diligence and start reading some of this material, and my friend Christy, she let me borrow a book and it's one of the Necronomicon books by this guy named Simon, and it's this one's called The Gates of the Necronomicon, and what you actually see on the cover is Ursa Major, which is one of the main constellations
that goes around the Polestar. And I read that book and it blew my mind because basically, sort of the claim in the book and what other authors have said, is that Lovecraft basically kind of updated this ancient pantheon for modern sensibilities pretty much, and that he was encoding information that had to do with like sort of the spiritual and metaphysical framework of these ancient peoples that held the Polestar in really high reverence. And so this early
tradition is called the Primorial tradition. I think he can refer to it as the Primordial tradition, the Northern tradition, the Polar tradition. There's a lot of overlap with Typhonianism, the Typhonian tradition, there's a whole northern correspondence with that. And so what Lovecraft did seemingly is that he basically took this old tradition and he updated it right in a way that like modern people would be interested in, right, and so he did that through this cosmic horror sort
of motif. And so everything that that book is about Gates of the Necronomicon talks about how he was encoding sort of Northern symbolism into his work.
And so that really was a huge sort.
Of game changer for me and just like my understanding of things, because in that book they also talk about the polestar in ancient Egypt, what it represented in ancient Egypt. They talked about ursa major being like the thigh of the bull or the thigh set in ancient Egypt, how it was used in these different rituals like the opening of the mouth ritual, and so gave me this whole new expansive way of looking at the polestar.
Funny enough, the cat's out of the bag.
But the guy who wrote it is Peter Lavenda, and he was using this alias of Simon, and Peter Lavenda would later write books that basically covered other aspects of polestar symbolism pretty much, and so he wrote this book called The Dark Lord, which gets really into that along
with more love crafting information. And he also wrote a book called Stairway to Heaven where he really really I think that's one of the best sort of intro books if people want sort of like a good read that's like an easy read that talks about a lot of this stuff, and he basically talks about all of these different cultures and like kind of like secret societies and religions and stuff around the world. That basically considered the Polestar to be like the gateway to like another plane
pretty much. And that's one of the things that you'll find out when you look into it is that because it represents the center of the heavens, it's basically taken on the symbolism of like a door or like a portal or something along these lines. And the way I put it is that I had.
A quick question about Peter Lavenda though. So his other books was about esoteric hitlersm and Nazi ecultism.
Ye, yeah, sinister forces too, And I.
Was gonna say sinister forces as well.
Yeah, right, So I mean, you've got the swastika in there, and then he goes over and sort of covers the other side of it. I guess. I mean there's there's some sort of a crossover there because you've got the Nazi symbolism in the in the Artha Major going around the Pole Star.
So oh, absolutely, well, this is what you'll basically find out in my opinion. And I was excited to do this show, by the way, because this is the Occult Rejects, and I have so much information about the occult side of polar symbolism in the North Star that I don't really cover on other shows because it's just I don't feel like it's like that appropriate. What you'll find out, in my opinion is that the true left hand path,
in my opinion, is actually polar in nature. And so once you understand that, it makes a lot of sense. People like to think that the sort of dualistic sort of thing is solar and lunar and that that's kind of just how it is. There is something to be said about that there is this contrast between solar and lunar, But what predates all of this is actually polar polar in nature, right, And so I'm inclined to think that guys like a Knot, we're well aware of polar symbolism
and sort of all of its implications. Peter Lavenda is pretty well networked with people, and he's in that world, the black magical occult world, right. And so what I'm finding out is that the left hand path completely overlaps with polar symbolism in a lot of different ways, because there's a lot of symbolism associated with the northern sky and the pole Star that corresponds basically with the Dark
Mother and a lot of dark Mother symbolism. And I also think it's interesting too that when you look into circumambulation rituals, which is like you walking around a central totem or something like in Mecca, right, that's like my classic example. If you have your totem on the left hand side, that is a polar rotation, and that's actually more contractive. It actually reminds me a lot of Saturnian symbolism. And I know you brought up saturn earlier. We'd love
to hear your thoughts about all of this. And if you go clockwise, that's more of a solar rotation, and that's actually more expansive. So it's interesting to think that if there's a left hand path correspondence with polar symbolism, it kind of lines up even with just the rotation of going around that central point of pivot right. And this relates to to the dynamic of the pole star. It's called the polestar because it's like a symbolic axis or axle.
Right, So if it's.
The wheel of heaven, the hub of the wheel would be the polestar the north star. And basically my understanding, the way I put it is that there are realms above and below and they're all connected through their center. And so I think that the chakra system is a really good sort of interface for this. Right, I'm sure I've mentioned it here before, but you have seven chakras. Symbolically, they're all connected through that central axle, which would be your spine, right, And so this is how it works
in your body. But this is also how it works on a larger grander scale. So that means that the polestar is along the lines of that axis. And this axis is also referred to as the world axis or the axis Moondi, and that basically is like probably the most important thing about polestar symbolism is just look into the world access for axis Mundy, because it's a complete
game changer. So I see that the polestar is kind of like a keystone symbolically as well, because it exists at the top of the firmament, right, and so that arch, the royal arch right, is almost symbolic of that firmament, the dome of heaven, and the keystone would be right there in the middle. And there's over keystone symbolism that relates to the polestar r you know, and everything else.
And so my understanding is that ancient peoples had a reverence for the polestar and the northern stars, and they had more of a local understanding of everything, and so everything was much closer to home, and so sort of as they had this reverence for the center of heaven, they also had a reverence and an understanding of the center of self and sort of like that whole entire dynamic. And what I like to say too, is that you know, there's a sort of golden thread that exists between the
center of self and the center of the cosmos. So know thyself and know the universe, right, And so there's a relationship symbolically between the middle of a wheel, the middle of the heavens, the middle of earth, and the center of self. They actually symbolically are all completely related,
and so you want to get to that center point within. Right, We've talked about some of this stuff as well, but you know, that was a whole rabbit hole going down the love crafty and black magical sort of tradition, and like how it relates to the North Star and also to World War Two. I don't know if I've said it on Occult Rejects before, but there's so much polar symbolism with World War Two and World War One. It's absolutely,
like completely off the charts. So as an example, you know, pole Land was invaded, right, and so I just think that's kind of an interesting sort of thing.
Pole Land.
You mentioned the swastika. The swastika is or some major going around the Pole Star. Right, it's the Allies versus the Axis.
Right.
You will only hear the word axis as it's associated with evil.
So now Iran is the new.
Axis of evil basically, right, And so I'm inclined to think basically that some of what was happening there literally had to do with sort of smearing polar symbolism. Basically, seeing that people don't talk about any of this stuff because it's so powerful. I've even read authors who've suggested that the great occult war is between polar and solar forces.
But that's basically the thing that they are completely at odds with each other, and there's a lot of things to say about that, like that's a whole sort of weave or rabbit hole as well, for sure. And so over time, you know, I started understanding more and more about like what was going on up there and how significant and important it is. That I really just made it a focus, and so I started collecting books. Any book that talked about the North Star, URSA major, ursa
minor I was interested in. Eventually, what I found out is that there was a great shift symbolically from polar symbolism to solar symbolism, and that there were polar deities back in the day that later became solar deities. So I think that we live in a solarized world that was built upon this polar tradition basically. And my sort of research these days has led me to basically kind of a camp of philosophy where you're going to hear
more people talk about this stuff. And it's called perennialism, and so Renee went on is often kind of considered like, you know, one of the key figures in this tradition, and he really is probably the best author to read, the clearest author that talks about sort of the implications of like the polar dynamic, this polar to solar shift.
And what I really appreciate about him is that he talks about the metaphysics and the difference between living in this primordial sort of tradition and living in modern times basically, which is basically to say, you know how people thought, like well before heliocentrism, but before like solar worship became a thing. I think with like heliocentrism, I truly think it throws everything off. I think that it's not harmonious.
It doesn't look that way to me at least, and everything becomes way too masculine as well, so the feminine tends to be really suppressed.
And there's a lot of feminine symbolism.
That associates with the pole star as well, and also or some major and things like that. So that's kind of my like, I guess somewhat in a way like personal journey or whatever. But the polestar has been referred to as the guiding star, and so this was the pre eminent main star with early scene navigation.
If you knew where the Polestar was, you knew where north.
Was, which means that you knew at just where you were going generally, And if you're following a different constellation, it's only in proximity to the Pole Star that you know where you're going, right, And so all of the fixed stars go around the Polestar once a year, and so that's why it was used as an early skyclock as well, and so it was a different kind of time. And actually, I know I've brought this up before too, but I think these skyclocks are encoded in the tarot.
The Star card represents the Pole Star. That's the seventeenth card of the major arcana. The eighteenth card of the major arcana is the Moon card. That's more of the lunar cycles and everything and the lunar calendar. And then after that you have the Sun card. And so all three of these cards in a row talk about three different skyclocks. In my opinion, I kind of refer to them as like three different symbolic ages, right, And this
is different from like the great ages or whatever. But the Pole Star has a relationship also with like what it means to be in a dark age and what
it means to be in Golden age. And so what renegu went On says is that literally, in the Golden Age, this is when people had this sort of respect and understanding of the center, right, and in the dark age, which I think we're living in a very dark age right now, right, I don't know exactly at what part we're at in it, but he says that the difference is people have lost basically the site of the center.
People are now ungrounded and they're not still and they basically aren't literally acknowledging anything related to this sort of supreme center.
And so the.
Idea is that all things emanate from a sacred center, from this inner sanctum, and then all things sort of return to it, not unlike a torus field basically, right, And so the pole star symbolically represents that because of its position of where it's located. And so this has major, major implication symbolically because it means that everything came from the same place. Everything sort of is an echo or a remnants or something along these lines, right, a fractal
of this original sort of thing. So that's kind of been one of the trippier things to sort of understand, right when you read these authors who really get into the world axis and everything else, everything relates back to it. There's almost nothing that you can it's nothing you could talk about. There's no planet, there's no symbol, there's no myth or anything that escapes this sort of dynamic because it is kind of been viewed as this original sort of dynamic.
Well, what about the ages? Isn't it also important to notice that the primordial aid where you had mounds and these worship sites that were all connected to the sort of symbolism.
Yeah, exactly.
That's very important to note because that's, you know, that's the center of their cultures and ever since then it's been more diffuse and there's there's far more wandering from those centralized locations.
Yeah. Absolutely.
So one way of looking at it that people have put forward is that humanity started in the center of Earth, that humanity started in the north, and that there was a migration away from the North, and some people say that this had to do with some sort of catastrophe
or cataclysm or whatever. There's lots of variations on this idea, and that the North would relate to Paradise, or it would relate to the Garden of Eden, right, And so there's this idea, and you'll see old maps right where in the northern part of Earth that there's like a central mountain. And so this central mountain interfaces with the world axis, mountains, pyramids, pillars, the idea of a loadstone, it's the same thing. Basically, when you're talking about the
center of Earth. The idea is that this is where Heaven and Earth meet. So there's like a symbolic bridge or there's a symbolic stairway between the above and below basically, and that the Pole Star would just be right above it, right North Pole, North Star. And so basically when people symbolically even I'm open to it being a symbolic interpretation, migrated away from the north and set up new sacred centers,
they're basically emulating the original sacred center. So Mecha Jerusalem, whatever sort of holy site you're talking about, whatever pilgrimage location, Symbolically it's like a pilgrimage to Eden, or it's like a pilgrimage to that inner sanctum in Earth. Right, And when you look at these different holy locations. There's always this idea that it's where heaven and Earth meet. That's always like a common theme with all of them.
A perfect example is the Beatless Stones. So these are the thees that were sacred to these different cultures around the world. One of the most famous Batalist stones is the Jacob's Pillow, and Jacob's pillow is where he was supposedly sleeping on top of this mountain, had the vision of the stairway to Heaven, right, and it's right along those polar lines, you know.
Yeah, exactly.
Actually, Nick, if you don't mind, I have an image of Jacob's ladder and it's the sixteenth slide that I have in that PDF.
And it was also Osirius's spine. They said that the earth was hung upon it and basically, you know, it was attached to the axis moundy and basically held the Earth in the heavens.
That's right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
There's this old idea that I've come across several times. I know, it's in Ovid's Metamorphoses as well. There's this idea that heaven and Earth and all of the elements refused together, and it wasn't until this axis moondy central pillar came into existence. Was there space between the above
and below? And so this central pillar or world axis was believed to be the thing that actually separated heaven and earth and then also connects heaven and earth together, right, And I think this is actually what the magician, he's basically acting as a central pillar. In the first card of the major acona, the number one is symbolic of the world axis, just the straight vertical line, right, it connects heaven and Earth. The magician has a wand which
is very much related to world axis symbolism. He's pointing it to the heavens in one hand, and then he's pointing down to the ground on the other hand. He's basically saying, I am the central pillar in the House of God. I connect all that is above with all that is below. And he actually corresponds with the Hebrew letter Beth or bets, which literally means house and actually goes back to the batlestone thing. There's a whole entire relationship with that. But yeah, So here's Jacob leaping on
the left hand side. You can see three pillars one pillar. Generally when you see this is from Freemasonry. Generally when you see three pillars, there's going to be one that has an obvious sun on it, one that has an obvious moon. So then what's to say about the central pillar. It's polar, one is solar, one is lunar, the other one is polar. The polar pillar is the one that's actually truly transcendental and actually truly goes to other plans of existence. And the symbolism is so obvious once you
know what you're looking at. But you see the central pillar literally is breaking through the clouds, and then it's surrounded by seven stars. These seven stars, if you didn't know any better, you would probably think maybe perhaps they're
related to like the seven wandering stars. But actually the original seven stars of Enlightenment, in my opinion, is ursa major, right, and that the symbolism was attributed to ursa major first, and then I think kind of have gotten shifted around, right, and so like the Pleiades in the solarized world, in the solar mind, that kind of has taken on a lot of ursa major symbolism in my opinion. And then clearly you see the ladder, you know, going through the
clouds there. So if you want to go to maybe a slide thirteen and fourteen if you don't mind. So there you go another freemasonic tracing board. Three pillars. You'll see that there's a seven pointed star in the middle, and that's what the ladder is ascending towards, being associated with that central pillar. Notice that it's also going towards east as well, So there's a whole entire correspondence with East symbolically being related to what's been referred to as
cosmic North. That it actually it's almost a veil. It's not the east that you're going to see on a map. It's actually more of a central location. And sometimes the sun has been used as a symbolic reference to the pole Star. And I have a quote that we can read later from Peter Lavenda, but he basically says, and I agree with him, that the sun is almost in modern times a blind for the North Star. That the north star is the original sun. That's another way of
putting it right. And so I think that that's absolutely worth considering, and I think that it makes a lot of sense, and if people want more information about that specifically, I did a presentation called the Rising Sun, and so people can see that on my YouTube, and I really get into the nature of that and how the sun when it's being referenced in different works of art allegorically, etc. It doesn't necessarily the meat doesn't mean the sun that
rises in the east and sets in the west. It actually is more of a reference to like a cosmic sun. I would say sometimes you can refer to it as the invisible sun or the block sun. Even the block sun, in my opinion, is basically the stationary sun. It's a reference to the world axis in the poll star, the main sun that's what goes around, rises and sets every day. The block Sun, I think, is this immutable sort of central sun, and that goes back to some of the Nazi occultism stuff right there.
There could be something more to the east reference and in terms of an electromagnetic correspondence, because there's a guy named Crow Triple seven who has done a lot of work with sun and telescoping and taking videos of the what he calls the invisible Sun. Right yeah, I think that it's been confirmed by other people who you know, are using the same methodology to sort of film it. You can actually get on camera this sort of second sun idea and prove that it's not just lens flair.
Yeah, I think no matter how you want to slice it, absolutely, I'm really starting to think that just one sun does not make sense.
In an elliptical There have to be too folky. So we're in an elliptical orbit around or one way or the other. Right, so too folk I for there to be an elliptical orbit.
Right, Yeah, No, there's something to be said about it. And I've seen his work for sure, So.
Of course I wanted to say the Egyptians too. They would bury people on the west side of the Nile, and they associated eternal life with the east. But as I've heard it towards the Sun being the eternal you know, disk and so forth, not that it may not be related to the polar aspect, but or the non physical dimension east as you as you're pointing out.
Right right, Yeah, if you want to just go to the next slide. So number fourteen, I've shown this before, but this is a Freemasonic lodge in London, and they openly acknowledge that this is the Pole Star, that this is the North Star, that they don't hide it. And so you see that there's a ladder going to that central star. Notice that it's a five pointed star, and then notice that there is the zodiac going around it.
So this is the thing to me that was really fascinating just over time that nobody in astrology acknowledges that all of the stars in astrology go around one star, you know. And so to me, that's like a huge thing. And so I try and you know, bring that up or make people aware of that. And so so my opinion, and just because I'm looking at the zodiac and just brought this up, if everything is expressed from the center
and returns back to it, it's something worth considering. Something that I've read multiple times now, and I think that this is absolutely true. I may have mentioned this at some point, but basically, there are several authors who have put forward that there are cultures who have documented information about their early zodiac being in the northern sky, and once they became solar, they exported the mythology from the
northern sky to the path of the sun. There's a guy named John Major Jenkins, and he has a book called Galactic Alignment, and that's what he talks about. He talks about the ancient Chinese people having eight constellations, around the pole star, and then once they became solar, they shifted those constellations literally to the path of the Sun, and then they added four more constellations, giving them twelve constellations.
And so I've heard variations of the theme. So my opinion is that the origins of the zodiac come from the northern sky. I think that makes all the sense in the world. So the same way humanity migrated from the north and potentially spread out, the same thing has happened in mythology. And I'm inclined to think actually that perhaps all of the mythology that you see in the night sky came from a northern location, that it originated up
north and got exported over time. And so it's kind of a big claim, but to me, it makes a lot of sense on multiple levels. Because the density of what you can learn about these circumpolar constellations, which means that they don't like dip below the horizon when they go around the central point of pivot. It's staggering.
You know.
I've been reading about it for years and there's more and more and more stuff that I'm learning all the time about it. So like ursa major the Big Dipper It's been referred to as the thigh of a bowl. It's been referred to as the thigh of set. It's been referred to as a plow. It's been referred to as reindeer, a sleigh. It's been referred to as a boar or piglets, sailors, a dark mother, the coffin of Osyrus.
What was that?
Bears bears exactly, Yeah, yeah, right, a great bear and the little bear. And so it really is is kind of a mind blowing sort of thing to consider.
If you want to go to.
Now before we leave. I was going to add as far as as far as the Free Masons, if you look in the A. Mackie's Free Masonic Encyclopedia, they talk about the five pointed star with the effulgent, you know, beams coming from it, very much like that is the star of the Masons. It's the Star Merca, you know, that's right, And they associated with Isis and the dog Star as far as serious b but I think on the occulted level they're more referring to the pole Star.
Yeah exactly.
And there's a surprising amount of information that I've learned too that relates serious be with the North as well. In fact, it's been referred to the dog star right, has been referred to as the eighth child of the Great Mother of the North. Is one way I've heard it put. Right, So there are things going on there. What I kind of say or how I understand it
is that you know, it's not unlike a wheel. I brought up wheel symbolism recently on here, I'm pretty sure, but like the wheel is a really good metaphor to understand for a lot of different reasons. But the external
part of the wheel is related to division, multiplicity. The internal part of the wheel, the hub of the wheel, the axle of the wheel, is related to supreme unity basically, right, it's immutable, it's stationary, it's kind of like timeless, and so all things out side of that center are subordinate to the center. That the true hierarchy is the middle.
We tend to think of a hierarchy just in terms of like a pyramid, right, But going to the top of the pyramid is like going to the center of the wheel, basically, and so all holy locations are subordinate to the original location. So the same thing I see it with the night skies, that all stars are subordinate to the pole star, to the original transcendental star. Basically, it's the star of stars. There's no other star like it, basically, And so if I'm there.
Oh sorry, if I'm sorry to interrupted, If I may add, an excellent way to perceive the pentagram the five pointed star is through traditional Chinese medicine or the five element theory that is in that really is the basis of traditional Chinese medicine, where every herbal formula starts with at least five ingredients, and there's this whole five element unfoldment in the natural world that goes along with the Yin Yang symbol, which what we call the yan Yang symbol,
which is actually the grand ultimate poll.
Yes, yeah, exactly, it's it.
And so yeah, I was just I just wanted to add that.
One other things that's interesting is the is the correlation with all of the stuff you've said and the box saga, Yeah, just says everything that you just put out there all in very clear terms about this sort of northern hierarchy or this northern kingdom. Yeah, talking about how they laid out the Meridians based off of the different kingdoms that made rings around the around the rest of the world.
Right right, yeah, no, you got it.
And so I consider myself personally like allies with the Box Saga people, and I've done shows about the Box Saga.
The thing that they don't like about me.
Is that I put the North and a lot of the symbolism that I'm talking about right now as like the supreme sort of originator of things, and they don't like that I'm not just a Box Saga guy, like they want me to acknowledge like just the Box Saga, and I'm like, no, there's a lot of other claims of where the origins of humanity are. In fact, I
think it's healthy, you know. I think it's healthy for a people to have something in their backyard that they say, this is where our Adam and Eve came from, this is where we bridge the gap between Heaven and Earth. I think that's a very healthy thing for people to have. And so the fact that people will defend that and say that, no, it's in our backyard, that's cool with me because that just fits with sort of what I'm saying here, with all of these other cultures basically saying
a very similar sort of thing. So they're all all sort of mirroring this original dynamic.
Sorry, oh go ahead.
Oh no, I was just gonna ask Robbie when you mentioned that star, was it Merca or Marrack.
You said, I think you said Marca Marca.
Oh yeah, that's what I heard too.
Okay, No, it just was like I was like, oh, it's America. Something they might be muted now, just reminded me of America.
And I wanted to ask real quick to Mario, is there anything or you might be touching on this later, but is there anything that you can think of with the pole being like red and white? Because all I just think of is like the barber's pole, you know. And then you mentioned pole end earlier in the show, which is very associated with red and white colors. So I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that real quick.
Yeah.
No, I mean not specifically with the red and white, but where you see a pole, it is related, you know. And so whether it's the may pole the barber pole, for sure, I think corresponds with that. And also, you know, one of the things I've heard people refer to this original tradition as is as the mystic pole tradition, and you'll find that a lot of sort of messengers that have preserved wisdom from a previous age. A lot of times they're very much related to the pole. Like they
will literally carry a walking stick with them. They have a shepherd's crook, which I think is very much related to this idea. The fool oftentimes has one or two poles with him, The green man oftentimes has a walking stick with him. Sometimes they'll have a tree or a branch like on his shoulder or something like that. So the poll definitely, in all of its sort of variations, I think it just relates to this original sort of idea.
People as well.
Good They could go back to the barber pole, because the barber was more than just a barber, right, he did all sorts of surgeries and all the rest of that stuff. So that could be related to the rod of Asclepius. Because you've got some snake fling up the pole.
The yeah, that could concentric representation instead of crossing, right, they're intertwined around the pole. Sometimes a barber pool is red, white and blue. So even to me, it could be like magnetism to like the different like polar opposites, like forces, right.
Totally, Oh yeah, absolutely definitely, if I.
May, if I may add on the misimistic idea and the idea of grounding, A big part of tai Chi practice or grand ultimate pole practice is what it really means is actually to imagine connecting with the North Star and that being a whole balancing process. Buddhism in many different meditation techniques starts with the ideal idea of single pointedness.
Right.
Sometimes many many meditations might have the idea of a single spark, and this this spark is is of course the poll of our energy. And in every mandala and yantra or visual meditation tool, there is a center point and it's very important to consider in in the meditation process. And there is also, i think not necessarily explored, but the the symbol of God or maybe one can infer
godliness or a meditated mindset. Forgive my stutter, but the the circumpunct, the Greek symbol for God has is the center point or the single point circle the mode excuse me, and and is really a simple but in that simplicity a profound meditation tool potentially as well. So I think that the center pointedness and being centered right, all this all this has a lot of psychic value, if you will.
And I also want to add to that psyche idea that the trinity that you mentioned I found profound not only in the more physical senses you explored with the polar, solar and lunar from the tarot, but there's also the internal or mindset trinity that these might correspond with. And the first one that comes to mind is the priest,
the king, and the philosopher. So I think there's a bunch of internal or meditative or self development ideas through that center point, single point in this Thanks for letting me share that.
Yeah, dude, no, you freaking got it, man, you totally get it. The circumpunct is interesting for so many different reasons because I agree with you, it's related to the center.
Isn't it interesting that the circumpunked in today's world is the symbol of the sun, because the symbol of the sun has really taken on a lot of the symbolism that was originally associated with the pole star, and so the sun in today's world, if you're a heliocentrist, that is the central poll part of what this is all about goes back to what people have called axial symbolism.
Is that that central point is the point of pivot for whatever that system is, right, And so if you're a heliocentrist, the point of pivot is the Sun. If you're more of a geocentrist or something, then the point of pivot would be this central poll right, the point of which all things revolve around, which has this relationship with the poll star. And so in a lot of newer symbolism books, what you'll find is that the circumpunct oftentimes is related more so to the Sun than anything else.
You will also see the same thing with the quartered circle right, which is just the cross with a circle around it, and a lot of people say in modern symbolism books is that it's the solar wheel. Everything in modern times has been over emphasized to go along with sun worship pretty much, in my opinion, and I think a large part of this has to do with heliocentrism, and I think in large part of this has to do with the church in Christianity and things like that
as well. So one of my favorite symbology books actually talks about the centeredness that you're referring to with everything and how that relates to all so many different symbols mountain symbolism, world tree symbolism, the circumpunk the you know, the quartered circle, things like that. And so one of the books that really kind of changed the game for me is called The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols. I recommend it all the time because it's one of the easiest
to get symbolic dictionaries on the market. It's super cheap, but the entries are really good. And I realize that I love that book so much because they referenced renege went On all the time, and he's like the polar guy, and so he is referenced more than any other author
or researcher in that entire book. And so reading that book really got me sort of used to thinking about this sort of center idea, inner synctum and sort of what that represents and how you see it in so many different things, just like you're saying, with meditative symbols and mondalas and things like that. So, yeah, excellent stuff. So what I see is that the circumpunked and quartered circle, these are originally polar symbols, not solar symbols.
That's just my interpretation of things.
Now.
I would like to add, when you go back and you look at the original layout of Atlantis and Atlas holding up the heavens basically being that pillar Atlantis itself are those circular the circular motion around the center point
and then having a temple on every circular axis. But perhaps even because there were other instances where we've had other polar stars based on the shifts and the movements of the heavens, and at one point where there was actually a dual star that was the polar star, but perhaps the sinking of Atlantis was actually just the cosmic shift and the change of the polestar.
You know.
One of the things I'll say is that I'm actually wrestling with whether or not the polestar has changed or not, and the procession of the equinoxes and everything else. Like I've heard that I have charts with the older polestars and things like that, and I've talked to some really really knowledgeable people who no longer buy that that the polestar has shifted or changed. And so I would say that I'm personally on the fence. I don't know what to quite think about that, you know, so just something
to consider, I guess. The interesting thing too, so in today's world in modern times, if you see a depiction of Alice or someone draws Atlas or creates a statue or something, Alice is going to be holding the globe literally a sphere on top of his shoulder. Is the earliest versions of Alice. He's actually holding up the firmament, right, So he's holding up the vault of heaven. Yes, And I think this is interesting because that would align him
with world axis axis Moondy symbolism. And guess how many daughters Atlas had. He had seven daughters, and so this would be ursa major this original seven Stars of Enlightenment. And so what's happened, like I was saying earlier, is a lot of the core symbolism associated with the North kind of has been dispersed all throughout the rest of the night sky, in my opinion, And you will see this with the Pleiades, because the Seven Sisters are basically
the daughters of Atlas. And when you actually look at the mythology, one of the fascinating things is that when you look at the Pleiades, even though it's generally referred to as the Seven Sisters, there's actually only six main stars. But they have a myth about the missing seventh daughter. Right, the myth exists because it's a transition from Ursa major to the other place, and so for more heliocentric minded people, the new axis I think exists from Taurus to Scorpio.
Basically that this is sort of the new axial bridge to the other side, which to me is more like a counterfeit or a copy of something that existed in the northern sky.
Personally, well, do.
You know what the first bone right below your.
Skull is called atlas?
Yeah, and it's holding up.
Yeah, that's right, funny, yeah, exactly.
Well what that interest me too, is that all of the stories and all of the myths and everything else in ancient societies were found in the constellations. So that was like the memory of the civilization. So it's literally holding up the head, which is the whole memory of the world.
Which would be stars right right, yeah, exactly beautiful.
One of the principles, if I'm not mistaken, of the circumpunct, is that the center can be basically anywhere, and the circumference is basically limitless. Yes, and the Native Americans have a beautiful idea. I find that it just reflects this. For instance, if you go to the Hopi reservation. I think it's San Francisco Mountain is the center of the universe. And if you go to another tribe's place, they have another mountain usually that is the center of the universe.
So it's just an interesting idea that relates to that.
San Francisco, the San Francisco Mountain Range is like one hundred miles away from Hope Territory.
Certainly, no, but I'm pretty sure they have it as a as a very revered place, and I think it's their center point.
That's where the Kachinas come from. Is they come from mountains towards the Mesa.
And isn't that also where they hit out during the last Earth changes underground with the Anti people that took care of them and helped them out until they could re emerge.
It is, actually I think that was in there's another place more close to the reservation, as I was told. There's it's something like the Blue Canyon or Blue something or other where they came out of. So maybe they entered it in Sanisco.
Right, and they call that the navel of the there you go, Yeah, yep.
It's interesting. When you first mentioned the pyramids, Maryo, it made me think, like I was like, oh, my new favorite Earth theory is pyramid Earth because I think it just represents like the shape of the Earth. It's got the four corners and then the top is held up like a canopy, you know, sort of, but it's representative of that. And same with the mountains, right, a mountain being like your center point.
Wherever you're at.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
No.
The idea of your temple or lodge or whatever being the center of the universe is really common, and I almost would say that if you're not kind of imbuing that on your sacred space, you're kind of doing it wrong. And so that's why the lodge has that pole star right on top.
Of it, right, right.
So speaking of actually, Nick, if you don't mind going to the seventeenth slide, it's related because it's another five pointed star.
But there you go, right above there you go.
So my understanding is that this was the symbol of the opening to the other side in ancient Egypt, the duot, and so this is the five pointed star that represented sort of that gateway or threshold between realms.
Right. And there's a woman named Judy K.
King and she wrote a book called the Isis Thesis, and according to her decoding of the hieroglyphs, she basically says that the ancient Egyptians had this idea that when they die, and maybe this was just a certain sect of people or for a certain period of time, but she basically said that their idea was that when they die, their soul goes to the north and exits the cusp
of this great horn of a bull. And basically this would be like the toroidal field pretty much, right, So the Tourus field has an opening above, has an opening below. If you look at the Earth's magnetic field, it looks like a Taurus field. We get the northern lights because of this dynamic of this magnetic opening at the north right.
And so I just think it's interesting that they preserved the five pointed star in that Freemasonic lodge as being the gateway to the heavens, and the Egyptians basically had the same thing according to this woman, that this was the symbol to go to the other side, and the number five too. The mathematics behind the five and literally the pentagram the shape of a five pointed star. It's
truly transcendental. It exists between the physical realm and the spirit realm, right, and so there's so much to say about that just in general, but it makes a lot of sense that this would be sort of the icon that crosses that threshold, which, by the way, just want to say that there's maybe maybe it's completely balanced. I don't know, but there's a lot of symbolism related to
the heavens or heaven being in the Northern Sky. There's also a lot of symbolism and it's really one and the same in my world of the underworld also existing in the Northern Sky that they're basically it's like synonymous kind of in a way. But that's what a lot of the black magical stuff that I attached to early on when I was reading about it, that's kind of they attributed more of that stuff to the Northern Sky.
But it's the same thing.
You'll see lots of God symbolism related to the Northern Sky and the Pole Star. You'll see a lot of goddess symbolism, a lot of king and queen symbolism. So it really is kind of like encompasses all of it, you know, in a lot of ways.
So we'll go ahead, Teresa, Oh, just real quick.
This depiction of the five pointy star looks so much like a belly button to me. It could be like, honestly, it's a tether between mother and child and the heavens and bringing a soul earth side.
Right.
Well, that's a great point because when you look at some depictions of Knew It or New Nut and she is the firmament, She's like the night sky. She her belly, her belly button is right there at the very top of that arch.
Ye that's right, man, yeah, crazy right. I was going to say, now, when you look at Mother Kiboli or the Mother of all the gods, Mother kay Belle, when they would venerate to her, they would walk the left hand path with the mountain in the center, excellent up
up to the peak of the mountain. And then when they reach the peak of the mountain, there was actually the cave of the divine Mother and you would enter into the so you're actually ascending the pillar and when you reach the top, you're going through a portal essentially.
There you go. Yeah, exactly. You know a lot of people don't realize that the Kaba cube is feminine. Yeah, oh yeah, it's completely thoroughly feminine. In fact, if my understanding's correct, Kaba means house of the Mother or like house of the Great Mother, something along these lines. And the black veil over the cube itself is called the kisswah and it's literally a veil and veil symbolism corresponds with virgo and a lot of god is symbolism basically,
so the Kaba cube is thoroughly feminine. And what I've heard as well, there's a great author, his name is W. H.
Mueller.
He wrote a book called Pelaria. He really got into some of this information. He basically says that the reverence of the Kaba being the Mother got exported into Europe as the Black Madonna, and that that's why the Black Madonna worship was like on the underground uh in Europe and really really took root in France.
So now with the back to Mother Kibbelli Uh Kibbeli, she was represented as a meteorite that had fallen from the heaven and she was basically this black, almost obsidian type stone that a lot of people believe was a sort of a loadstone. But nonetheless, when she went to Rome, they carved the goddess and left the face empty and
just put the black stone in it. So there is and then within the cobbastone as well, you open that veil up and there's like a silver vagina essentially, right, that has broken up pieces of a very similar type black rock that mohammed and it had been stolen away and brought back. And yeah, so this black rock symbolism of this divine feminine energy is something that you can trace a lot of these schools.
Back to exactly, right, dude, you totally got it, man, Yeah, for sure. And even literally black rock like the company that's a loadstone reference, right, Oh for sure.
And so even think of the Philosopher's Stone too, is alleged to be a black rock, a black substance.
Right there you go. Yeah, I completely agree.
I think the Philosopher's Stone is basically a central stone sort of concept, and there's a lot to kind of pull out with that, for sure. Have you seen videos, Robbie of like people who go to Mecca and stuff and then they're basically like putting their face into like the silveroni there and there going nuts.
And kissing the goddess herself.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well I've talked to a couple of Muslims about you know, the rocks that are in there, and all that I can get from both the guys was there're just magic rocks from heaven. So yeah, just walking.
Aren't they walking around it too?
They circle mambulated to the left seven times, seven times.
Yes, what I've heard you might already know this, but what I heard is that the lore of the stone is that it used to be white, right, and that as man has kind of fallen from grace or sin or whatever, that is turning.
Yeah, the tears of the age and the pain of the time. And yes, I've turned that city in black.
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
So speaking of seven, if you just want to go down to the next slide there.
Changed, I just do want to add with the star without the circle around it. I have seen that that stars like on the ceiling of the Oto lodges. It's for uh, I think the Gnostic has for the Gnostic mass and you have to have that on the on the ceiling. And their ceiling is like pretty much black, are almost like extremely dark blue, and I'll have that star. And interesting enough, when I was at the Sistine Chapel, they told us before Michelangelo painted the ceiling. That's exactly
what they had on theirs. Oh wow, it was that star with the same colored background, and I was like, that is interesting.
Yeah, that is I believe the throne for the Royalty of England sits upon a rock. I forget what it's called. This this rock which is just thank you, thank you. That's always struck me as very very strange, how often we humanity extols these ends upon rocks.
And there's the royalty.
Yeah, that stone that you're talking about, that that basically they inaugurate the royalty under. They drag it out from the Castle of Edinburgh whenever they're going to inaugurate the king or the queen, whoever it is. But that is the They say that it's the same stone that goes back to Jacob and Jacob's pillow and basically the creating Jacob's ladder, the access mundee.
Yeah, no, wow, it all it all relates that.
That's awesome.
What interesting thing about the Hebrew altars is that they had to be made out of stone that was never touched by any chisels, right.
Yeah, yep, no, exactly.
Yeah, you'll find the correspondence with these holy locations which are subordinate to the original sort of holy location. The stone symbolism is always generally sort of there, and sometimes the central stone will be like a standing stone, right, or like in Jerusalem, the temple mount has a big stone underneath the dome the dome of the rock, right, and so there's a hole in the middle of that rock, right, which goes to like the and there's all sorts of stuff going on down there.
Yes, And Jerusalem also has the highest number of standing stones in the world.
Oh is that right? I didn't know that. Oh yeah, interesting, Yeah, I can see that. And so sometimes isn't.
That rock supposed to be where Jake or where Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Isaac.
The pillow itself.
The dome of the rock, the dome of the rock, Yes, yes, And that altar goes from Isaac and Jacob all the way back to that being the original altar of Adam and Eve where.
Came to there you go, yeah, right, there you go, man and well.
And then that was also where Adam and Eve had built that hinge where that altar was because they were watching the heavens, was said to be the exact point that they had been cast out of the Garden of Eden. So that is directly related to the Polestar.
Uh, please tell me more about this hinge. I don't know if I know about that.
Yeah. So there's these stories that when the divine couple was cast out of the you know, the Eden essentially that they immediately set to watching the stars because they were told that they would know the time of return
based upon the position of the stars. So they took five rocks back to the five again here and basically built this hinge of five stones from five sacred mountains in in accordance of the you know, directions that they brought them from, and then set up that original altar that became the the altar for Isaac, the the and the Escapegoat, as well as being the place where Solomon's temple was eventually built.
Right wow.
Yeah, because the Pole Star two has been very obscurely and not commonly referred to as the hinge Star because its acts as that point of pivot obviously, right, And that's really interesting too, the point where Cain killed Abel, because what you're doing when you're kind of establishing a pole is you're creating something for the people to revolve around,
and so you're creating something that's a stabilizing force. And so there's a lot of symbolism with the pole and the pole star relating to orientation, right, You're giving someone a point of orientation, and this point that gets established. That is way more of a thing for sedentary peoples. I recently was reading about nomadic peoples versus stationary people's, right, and sort of like the cultural and symbolic difference between
the two, it's really really fascinating. And Cain basically represents more of that, the sort of gray culture, right, yeah, and Able symbolically represented more of a pastoral hu together yeah yeah, and that he apparently represented kind of like symbolically nomadic peoples, right, the people who travel in this and that so Cain killing Abel, I've heard is the agrarians killing the nomadic people's basically well and preventing them from moving, right.
And and Cain killing Abel because the lord quote unquote didn't take his sacrifice of the best you know of the fields, basically the appropriate sacrifice being the oldest that was you know, unblemished, that was the purest in factor was his brother Caine. So he was actually substituting Cain for his offering of the the field.
M right right, Wow, I love all of that, dude.
That's really interesting, Nick, If you don't mind just going to the next slide, So I see all of the numbers relating downward. There you go a lot of numbers relate to the north. I would say one of the key ones is seven. Symbolically, what I've heard people say is that it's almost as though the current world tree, if there was one, is twelve branched, but the world tree in the primordial tradition was seven branched. The number
seven is a really really important sort of thing. And I actually think you get the number seven the glyph the shape of the number seven. I think you get it from Ursa Major. I think that's what it goes back to. And so what you see here is Ursa Major on the right hand side. This is how you locate the Pole star. If you're ever looking stargazing, if you can find Ursa Major, the big dipper, you just look at the end of the vessel and then you just create a straight line and you will see the
pole star, the north star. And the Pole Star is one of seven stars that makes up Ursa Minor. It's the tip of the handle. So when you're actually acknowledging this movement, it's almost like two vessels revolving around this central point of pivot. It's almost like they're pouring water
from one to the other. Which makes me wonder, actually if this is being encoded in like the temperance card in the major arcana, because you have seven stars of Versu major, seven stars of Ursa minor, the temperance card is actually number fourteen. People have said the number fourteen is actually kind of a symbolic northern number, and.
That makes me think the reference to the waters on the firmament.
Yeah, absolutely, the exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a ton of watery oceanic symbolism associated with the northern sky, like it's insane, even including like in the Vedic world, the Rishi's the seven sages coming from the north. They each have a correspondence with one of these stars, so in their world they literally I've come across information literature that says that there are seven sages come from the north and they each one of them corresponds with a different star in Ursa major. So something
to consider. But if you go to the next slide, you'll just see a simple sort of illustration of how this creates the swastika. It's ursa major going around the
pole star. If you look at it once a season, this is what you're going to see that Gates of the Necronomicon book has a whole entire section in the back where they basically it's completely outdated because the book is old, but they basically have these rituals where you conduct the ritual when the great bear is hanging from its tail, and this is a reference to major right or some major hanging from its tail going downwards. So the tables in the back actually tell you when that's
going to happen. And if you just go to the next slide, you'll see the number seven, So just showing you I think that the number seven glyph comes from that, and there's so much evidence to suggest that this is the case. So if you go down one more you'll see just an old map that I found at a friend's place. Right, So this is the Arctic, so the North Pole, and
you'll see that it's septin trio. So sept is a reference to like septinary as in like number seven, right, So septin trio literally is a reference to the original seven stars of the Northern Sky basically, So if you just want to continue scrolling down, you'll see that Septin trio equals north. And if you keep on going, what I've read from some authors is that sept is actually a reference to Set as well, if you go to the next slide, and Set has a huge relationship with
the Northern Sky as well. He's either directly associated with ursa Major or he's been said to hide behind ursa Major. One of the things I've come across is that a lot of the oldest deities come from the Northern Sky, are associated with the Northern Sky. And one of my good friends who got into a lot of this information
years and years before I ever did. He and we disagree on a ton of things, but one of the things he said was all people, supreme deity is in Northern God, unbeknownst to them for the most part, but that it all goes back to that, because that is the supreme unifying center basically, and so there's no more powerful, potent place that the gods could come from.
And I think this is why as well.
Lovecraft in his work he was referencing the most ancient, primordial of gods which come from the North, which I think pre date and precede a lot of newer gods. So I would say that the Northern gods came before even like the planetary gods, that the planetary gods are actually a newer creation compared to Northern gods.
The first Bible assimilation was simply called the septugent, right there, you go, right, Alexandria and I and I often wondered why that was such a powerful thing that they could just use that number. But now in seeing this and what they're alluding to with just saying the septugent, that the seventy chapter, I think is what it means. So so just right to the kind of center, if you will, of what you're saying there.
Well, interestingly, you know, you're talking about the idea of these original Northern gods basically coming before the planetary gods per se. Right, And if you look back at Mother Kibbli and how she is essentially started out in Phrygia and then you know, transversed into Greece and eventually they
bring her into Rome. The sibling prophecy says, bring this Southeast Asian goddess into Rome, right, and she become They set her up on Palatine Hill immediately, and she becomes the mother of all the gods of Rome, which are
the planetary gods. And if you go back, she was originally this polar god like I was talking about the mountain and the cave and the portal that transitions, and they bring her in and then all of the planetary gods start to take place ritual places within the worship of Mother Kibili in Rome.
There you go, man, Yeah, that's perfect, exactly right. That makes a lot of sense to me. And we'll be getting into a little bit more of a goddess symbolism as it relates to the North too, because it really it's so relevant if you just want to cruise to the next slide, very simple, you know, seven seven days of creation, seven heaven, seven seas, wonders of the world, seven sages, the hermetic principles for what it's worth, the
mythraic degrees, et cetera, et cetera. Right, So the number seven is so significant, and I see it that it relates more to this northern business than like any other place that I've come across. And so when you go to the next slide. You know, there we go. You know, when you're looking at the seven pointed star and you see all these sevens around, I think it's all encoded northern symbolism stuff. I think this is a reference to the North Star basically, like almost a clear reference to it.
And the feminine symbolism is there with that Vesica Pisces, you know, sort of.
In the middle Babylon.
The Babylonian symbolism on like with multiple myths, completely corresponds to northern symbolism in my opinion. In the next slide, I have the Horror of Babylon as well. She's always depicted with what a seven headed beast, right, and so it's all northern in my opinion. And then if you go to the next slide, it's just a simple star card, right. But this is from Lon Milo Duquet, who's, you know, an occultist author guy. But the card corresponds with Aquarius.
And so one of my favorite videos that I put together has been correlating a lot of Aquarian symbolism with
northern symbolism and the Pole star. And so to me, when you're making a reference to this card that is the Northern star, it's to me, it doesn't make sense that it's basically any other star, considering when you sort of like understand the hierarchy of things, right, That's one thing that I'm really trying to acknowledge these days, is the spiritual hierarchy of things and kind of what's more primordial, what's more central, what came later, what's related to you know,
more modern sort of stuff or whatever. And then the last two cards here, I just have more star cards basically, but you'll see that it's a tradition to show the central star surrounded by seven other stars, right, and so to me it's pretty clear. And then she has the two vessels. It just reminds me of the dippers and everything else. And then the Crowley version, so he has three sort of spiraling three or four like spiraling stars,
and they all are are seven pointed. Since you're looking at the slides, one of the things I definitely want to show people is a slide number three, three and four.
So I mean, no one has to take my word for any of this.
I know you guys are down, you guys are adding a lot of great information, you know, to the conversation. But what I did was I actually put together a pdf called polar Symbolism, and I list twenty seven books that I've either completely read through or have done like you know, I basically skimmed through for certain terms and keywords and whatever that have really like helped inform me about all of this stuff. And so there's actually a
lot more information out there than people realize. And so you can find that on my website, Symbolic Studies dot com and it's on the top banner when you go to the site.
But if you go to.
The next slide, I just basically took out those books and just put them here so that people can just take a screenshot if they're.
Watching this and they don't want to go to the website.
That's a great listen, thank you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Yeah, that's great.
Uh yeah.
I mean there's a million other things we could talk about. I have a handful of quotes and everything else, but I think, uh, I don't know, you guys get the idea. We can talk about whatever else from here. If you guys have any questions or you know, further sort of insights.
If I have anything they wanted to add, you know.
I'll add I'll add real quick something that actually Nick and I forget who all else we did the show with. We were looking at the pillar or, which is etymologically related to Pull. Of course, the pillars relationship, and there is another trinity that they represent, which I think can be best summed up or a great way to look
at it anyway is h reservation, creation, and destruction. And this these three pillars, if you will, or forces are in a sense the trinity also, and they're set up to deal with the chaos that is set right and that being the unsaid forth in that and and also a good aspector or in Egypt. Anyway, a positive symbolic aspect of Set was that he is symbolic for the clout and he would and you mentioned some of that
symbolism earlier related to it. But he is very chaotic and comes into that you know, new or or we have to be planted land and presents that chaos which you fill up and make make nice.
Right, right. Yeah.
I actually I interviewed a modern day Setian maybe like a year and a half ago, and that's on my YouTube channel if people would want to hear that conversation.
And I got interested in Set because of the Northern correspondence with everything, and what this guy said and what I've read as well, is that back in the day, and there's different traditions that basically do a very similar sort of thing, but that if you had an adversarial sort of deity that you wanted to sort of combat, that you wanted to have a god that was equally as chaotic as that adversary or more primordial than that
adversarial figure. And so Set was sort of the chaotic god for good basically is kind of how it was explained to me pretty much.
And actually, Nick, if you.
Want to go to the next slide down, I have a quote about chaos and Set and everything else, and so this is from Peter Lavenda. I'm pretty sure this is from his Dark Lord book, and he says chaos is associated in Egypt and in the Near and Middle East of the period with Set and with set Typhon, and the star to which the creed refers could only be the pole star with its seven circumpolar attendants, the Big Dipper, or as it was known in Egypt, the
thigh of Set. The very important statement concerning one star in the company of stars of whose fire we are created into which we shall return, implies the extraterrestrial origins of humanity and, by extension, its ultimate destination. This star has been identified as the son of whom the Father
is the sole wece regent. But I believe this is a blind as were the seven planets of mythrism for the real Sun, which is the immortal Polestar, a sun that never rises or sets, but which sits unmoving directly over head.
Right.
So I think he really to me, it's interesting that he's the guy that's kind of coming out with a lot of this stuff, clearly because I can't say I agree with his whole body of work and things like that, and you know who he's connected with and things like that. I just I don't know too much about him on that level. I've heard things here and there. I've heard whispers and stuff. But he definitely knows about this symbolism, and I think there's more people that do than you
would realize. Actually, it's so interesting. I'm starting to talk. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Emily Moyer, but she does some pretty good work and she's really into the DJ techno scene. And we had a conversation on her podcast, and she's exposing me to like several DJs that really put a lot of polar Northern symbolism into their artwork and stuff like that, and it's really interesting to me that this would even be the case.
And even in like The Metal War, which is mostly what I listened to, there's a lot of bands that have had pole Star songs or alluded to it in like different ways, and like it's kind of like has been part of the artwork and things like that. So it's it's more of a thing than people realize. You just have to kind of go out and read some of this material or you know, want to know more about it basically.
So now, also with if you look at the work of Kenneth Grant in his Typhony and Mysteries, he talks about the seven pointed Star and relates it relates it to isis how were you talking about the dog star relating to the poll star earlier? But he also says that that seven pointed star being the Goddess, that the center of that seven pointed star, the hub of the star itself is set.
Yeah I've heard that as well, Yeah exactly, Yeah, Yeah, I got into Kenneth Grant because of all of this and one of the things I have haven't like completely dove into his entire body of work, but I do appreciate what I have read of his. But if you look at what is it The Night Side of Eden, you know, it's all about going to the tree of death, basically crossing over the clipophic tree and things like that. And basically he associates Doth, which has a correspondence with death.
He corresponds doth as do other people with the North. He makes that very clear that that doth as the hidden separates that will take you to the other side, is associated with the North, which makes it just a ton of sense. The portal, it's the portal, Yeah, exactly. So let me see here if there's any key quotes that I should read since you still have a.
Yeah, there's several. Let's see, maybe go to.
The one right above that one. There you go, it's just another guanan. Yeah. So uh. If solar symbolism has an obvious relationship with day, polar symbolism, for its part,
has a certain relationship with night. And it is significant in this respect that the midnight sun should have in order of sensory phenomena, it's literal representation in the Hyperborean regions that is the very place of origin of the Primorial tradition, right, Yeah, so the midnight sun being a reference to some of this, and then uh yeah, there you go. I mean, like I said, there's a million other things we can pull that, but I think we covered some pretty good ground.
Yeah.
Uh TJ. Did you want me to pull up your stuff? Oh?
Sorry, god, no, no, I was on mute. Yeah.
Sure, I've just been sitting back just soaking it all in, running it through my own process, or just like it's been very nice.
It's been very good, very good reservation.
There we go, switch.
Right right off the hop.
But I found interesting too that I found out well that image was there was the circle with the starfish in it, or like the five pointed the five divisions of it. So you would take three point one four pie or or pie like continued on divided by five to get like a length or a clue into what each of those lines would represent, and the number you get would be point six two, so polar equals point
six to two. And you kept bringing that, you kept like referencing the way that polar is this very dark kind of thing like and could be connected with the black magic. I tried to keep it a little more positive, but black magic all sequals sixty two, and like poland equals sixty two, which is like, it's ridiculous.
I think it's interesting.
Punk equals sixty two interesting.
And then that equation at the bottom there is the equation for gravity equals sixty two. So with the polar and the gravity, that's like, oh wow, very cool. And then on the right music is just a very good representation of the number sixty five, and sixty five would be like six the harmony five the energy, so like harmonizing the energy, whereas sixty two would be like trying to add heart the six, trying to add harmony to the emotions, which would like it's almost like emotional like
hexing the emotions. And then also with like solar it equally to fourteen. That's like Valentine's Day, just music, like just like that kind of kind of thing that's interesting.
With it the singing of the spheres.
Yeah, that's really interesting with the sixty two.
And then I wonder if the p and the polar, because we have the chrysogram and we're gonna break this down a bit. And the way that I set up my charts too, we're going clockwise around, so your east would be aries on the left, that's the only thing that I'd be reversed, and your north would be like the Gemini cancer and there's that. So the P, so I was just like pondering the P and the S. We can go to the next slide. And then I realized this one too today that just kind of blew
my mind. Was like S, It's like eight is hidden in Satan as well, which is very interesting. But then S is the nineteenth letter and the eighth prime number is nineteen, and then like, yeah, the S is just like the dynamics. It's like the night and the day, which is more the solar So that like makes sense in that regards, and we keep going, there's only like two.
More well, and it's also the sign wave yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, which is the cosmic water that the Age of Aquarius is pouring out.
So then if you if you embark on this journey and you you go through the death or the Tower of the p and then you go on your quest and you pass the tests, you triumph or whatever, there's two possibilities after that. So you either become you, but you yourself is the ego and you have to let that a go. And you can't spell any Q words without a U. And when you put the Q on the chart, that's right where O fucus would be, which
is the letter you. So it's about like if you just become yourself and the ego, you almost like have to go through the process again to like relearn the journey or you've kind of passed it. If that's what you see like a fucus to be as well, where you've pulled the snake apart and you like flipped the egg essentially, kind of thing.
I love that. I have to comment on this real quick.
Yeah, So my understanding of a fucus on an esoteric level is that it's actually completely northern and polar, and it's almost like a symbolic escape from the zodiac, from the solar zodiac right right, And so I've heard it be referred to as like literally an exit from the zodiac or a bend in a river, something along these lines.
And when you look at the ecliptic and the constellations along the path of the sun, a Fucus is clearly more northern than the other constellations, and I think it's interesting that a Fucus is also ruled by Mercury, and Mercury has so much polar phallic pillar symbolism it's completely nuts. And so I feel like Mercury actually is like a good gateway into some polar symbolism. Or if you start looking into this, stuff is going to come to mind over and over and over and over for various reasons.
And just to just expand on that briefly, I've heard that, or at least what I put forward is that with Mercury there's lunar, solar and polar symbolism completely baked into the story of mercury. In my opinion from what I can gather, that there's this triune sort of dynamic with mercury. But yeah, O Fucus, I see this as kind of like what you're saying, I kind of interpret it as like following your true north, following your true authenticity, getting to your center.
Well, also, when you look at the Zadaika wheel as far as cancer being that northernmost point, the Freemasons consider the keystone to be answer and within Judaism, the keystone is considered to be peace or shalom.
There you go.
Yeah, that was something I was going to mention too, right, and so Royal arch Freemasonry. That's one of the best videos I put together in my opinion, very short, very brief, but I talk about this whole entire dynamic. Yea, the keystone northern sort of thing. And then just real quick too,
you brought up the tower to me. The tower card is really modeled off of the Tower of Babble, and oftentimes it's said that there was seven steps to the tower, right, and so it seems like with alchemy and with this transcendental sort of dynamic of going to the northern sort of opening, that the seven is always included in so many different ways seven steps or seven veils. I know, it's even been said like an Islam there's like I think it's seventy thousand vales between you and the face of God.
That's like one way they put it.
But anyways, continue dude, I'm appreciating what you're putting out there.
Yeah, and that's even why I like arrange the wheel in that order too, is like the Masonic arch and like kind of reference to that's why, Like I set it up that way and it's clockwise, just like easy to understand the two lines at the top there. It had as the walls, the summer wall, and that just adds to the egg and the egg go because it's
humpty dumpty. You sit on the wall, you go, you have a great fall falls awesome, but it's like kind of the little riddle of it, but you and then it takes all the kings horses Sagittarius and all the king's men Aquarius to put humpty dumpy back together again. So it's that dark process at the end there. So that's like the summer wall that just fits with the portal or the polar and all that stuff.
Also, cancer takes place for the most part during the seventh month.
Of the year, which is yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And then P would be uh sixteen like one plus six the sixteenth letter P, so that adds to the seven.
Oh.
But if you've if you worked on your ego and you process it, you don't you become one, like you become the one or you like pass the test and you're not like, don't think you're like the coolest for passing the test and you don't like get in your ego or whatever. Then you become the UV, the UV light, and then you would figure out what that light is.
It's like you'd get your glow. You would be the one with that glow, and then it's like short or long story short, it's just like after that, it's the WU get the win.
At X, it's.
Another cross similar to the T, but it's where you learn how to swing the axe. It's the axis. It's where you learn the exit. It's the same with like Jack and the beanstock. With the swing of the axe, he defeats the giant.
So it's like it's like the.
W's like you think you win, and then the boss comes back one more time and that's like the X and it's like the final thing and then the Y you learn why you went through all that and then when you go through this process the very end, the Z is much like the omega where you just see
the beauty. Like for me, when I like understood this, it was like I could see like the quantum strings of the universe like orchestrating together kind of thing like in like like peaceful like nature's meditation, but kind of thing. But it's like you just saw it, like really saw the beauty, and so that's just like the process of that.
And then it's like ps so it's like the polar solar kind of thing.
So like that's the little secret or it's like the little extra thing at the end, right, I like PostScript another one on that in the phallic I think I wrote it the right way is like if you have your north south and your east west and you labeled it uh P, you get p NS right, which would be phallic, and then the other way you get.
So and with the cross in there you almost get the eye.
And if you were sewing, like it's like that's that would be your solar. So it's like the sun the day you like need to rely on the sun for your crops and you're sewing and you're and that kind.
Of thing as well as stitching. It's since Egyptian times sowing the seed is you know, not only farming and also sexual, right, yeah.
You are, TJ.
That was it? Just short line, dude, I was fascinating.
I was gonna say that the egg is of course, maybe you mentioned this is symbolic of a point, right, It's it's the beginning beginning point of a of a of a life being right.
Right right, yeah, definitely.
And it's the circumpunct as well, for sure.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
There's even like a symbolic pole in the egg as well, so there's like symbolic polarity in there, so the positive in the negative end or something. I think this is why some hero twins like Romulus and Remus, they're said to be born from like a cosmic egg sort of thing, even though they present these this opposing sort of force or whatever.
Well and is it was what was the goddess Ishtaradhanna that they rolled the egg up out of the river and took care of it, and then in her star is the seven pointed star. Back to the polar symbols, you.
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely yeah. You know, one of the things you mentioned in there too, I just wanted to bring to light is that there, you know, there's a number of ways to kind of break down your correspondences, and in one of the ways that I've come to appreciate lately, because I think there's a lot that makes sense with it, is that what reneguent On says is that traditionally, solar peoples have their New Year in at the spring equinox, right, and so this is what astrology
acknowledges Western astrology, I guess. And then he said that polar peoples, which I think this is really interesting, acknowledge their new year around the winter solstice. And I'm like, that's really interesting because that's right around where modern Western
people celebrate the new year. And then I'm like, wait a second, I'm like, this actually makes a ton of sense because I see a lot of polar symbolism with Saturn, and like I was saying earlier, the Golden Age has a huge correspondence with all of this stuff, and it's been often said that Saturn ruled the last Golden Age.
And I also put out a presentation that basically alludes to the idea that Saturn was once feminine and that there was sort of a fall from grace over time and that now we look at Saturn as like this old.
Man and whatnot.
But there's a lot of sort of symbolism that suggests that maybe it was more feminine in nature, perhaps even a krone chron chronos, right, And so there's a big northern sort of thing with that. And he also says to that midnight, as I mentioned, earlier, the midnight sun that midnight correspond with the north as well, and I'm like, well, goddamn, that makes a lot of sense too. When you look at a compass, north is right up top. It corresponds
right there with the twelve of midnight, right. And then also the sort of celebration that surrounds midnight is New Year's right, And this is all happening during Capricorn, which is actually ruled by Saturn. And then we have this other little holiday called Christmas, and Santa comes from where he comes from the North Pole. So between Christmas and then New Year's and then its relationship with Capricorn and Saturn, there's a ton of polar northern symbolism going on.
And also on New Year's when they celebrate the New Year, you traditionally have all around the world the pole that they drop the ball down the pole.
That's it, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, So something to consider.
Something I did want to bring up before we start to wrap this up. I did want to mention it earlier, but there's just too many things we end up going on to the next topic. And yeah, I'm not going to say it's you know, obviously, I do think there's many different meanings to lots of symbols and you know,
ideas and stuff. So I'm not saying this is the only thing, but you know, there was a lot of a lot of stuff that you were showing or even explaining, like especially in this picture did remind me of like a lot of things that I've seen in some of my experiences that I talk about. A lot of it actually was mentioned in this episode. And you know, I've said before that like when it starts to get very dark and it starts to look like like oil spilling up from the ground, it looks a lot like that
thing behind the star. And then and then when I see that, well for one, you know again, even when that happens, it starts to look like black goo or something moving, and that made me think of like Saturn because of black And then Robbie mentioned before Aquarius that is water, you know, so it does kind of look like whatever, black water, but it moves. But it does start to come out like that, and it always starts off with this burning little dot that looks like a
blazing blazing star. Will use some ot yoga language.
There, and that blazing star between Capricorn and Aquarius as well, so Capricorn grew by Saturn and Aquarius.
So yeah, yeah, but so well you I'll have that and then at some point, you know, when things start to turn. I always mentioned that it does look like a swastika at some point, and then eventually it will look like that even that top picture you showed earlier, where I mean it will look like to that extent at some point with just the eclipse in the middle and all that looks like it's spinning, right.
You know, and.
You know you talk about like, you know, polarization and the even even that image before that five pointed star to me that looked very much like the black circle in front of the white sphere, just broken into five pieces. Mhmm, you know that that exact symbol. There was something else I saw it too, and and things that I mentioned. Yeah, uh, you all even start to get like rainbows, you know, spinning out of the out of the spiral as well. I don't know if somebody mentioned for some reason I
thought about that earlier. I can't remember why, but yeah, like this definitely looks like you know, that could be one, two or three, you know, five pieces of stone or something in front of something. But uh yeah, a lot of the things that you were talking about just in my opinion and from my experiences, you know, even talking about like polarity and a difference of uh you know, change,
you know, when I talk about the experience. You know, again, unfortunately, this isn't anything that I can refer back to a show receipts. These are just my you know, my visions and my my feelings. But you know, even at some point it feels like something snaps, something changes, and it swings back at me. I know I've mentioned that to you,
like a pendulum flying back at me. You know, even in that it feels like something changes and that the black sphere pulls away from the white one at that point. So you know, you're talking about two sons. Is that really the black son and then there is the other one something else?
I don't know, but.
There's a lot of things that that were mentioned in this episode tonight that just kept making me think about. You know, the vision that I saw is just an artistic way of talking about some of the things you said here.
Right Well, thanks for sharing, dude, And I know you're all about eyeball symbolism, you know, and just that pupil right there in the middle, and the sort of concentric ring nature of the eye. You know, you have that sacred center right that, that inner sanctum, which is the most like potent part of the whole entire system. That's what you're gonna find is, symbolically any system, the heart or center of the system is like the most important
part of that system. And when you actually start following what I refer to as like polar wisdom, it's actually a lot a lot of it has to do with the heart and heart based symbolism and following matters relating to the heart, because your heart really is like one of the main symbolic centers in your body.
And so that guy W. H. Mueller, who wrote the book.
Polaria, he really harps on that that polar wisdom. Basically it leads you to the heart and to heart centeredness, which I think makes just a great deal of sense. And you know, even when people are like talking about looking for the Philosopher's stone and looking for the holy Grail, I think it's looking for your center. Really, I think it's getting to your inner sanctum. I think that's what
it's mostly really all about. I think there are correspondences in the external world, maybe the center of Earth or whatever, but I think it has to do with that sort of inner journey.
Basically in the heart you have the diet, you know, diametric difference between the mind and the heart. The mind is generally symbolized as masculine, whereas the heart is symbolized as feminine. So this brings us back to this divine feminine energy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Oh real quick.
The reason why I even brought up the rainbow before about the spinning colors is because of bringing up the maypole and the barber pole. Said, if I've even mentioned that recently on some shows, that if it's like when I try to explain that spiral of colors, I said, it reminds me of as if I was like looking under a maypole and watching all that stuff spiral as they wrap around it.
It looks very much like that. It makes sense.
Interesting.
Yeah, but uh yeah, thank you very much. Uh Mario, that was an onesome presentation. Oh hell, let's woke back up everyone, There we go, He's back.
I didn't want to, like, you know, wrap it up and the guys sitting this snor there. He is he's back.
Oh but yeah, Mario, thank you very much for bringing your presentation. That was a lot of stuff that was Yeah, that was an amazing, amazing chat. TJ, thank you for bringing yours as well.
I'll just say if people want like a more sort of like I don't know if it's more comprehensive, but it's definitely like more of a structured sort of breakdown. I did the shows that I get really jazzed for, like, uh, like podcasts and stuff that I do and I've never been on before. I have to talk about polar symbolism.
I have to talk about the North Star. So I did a show with higher side chats like a handful of months ago, and that's what I brought to the table was all this stuff and the same thing with my Crow interview. So if people want to hear me talk about this and it's a little bit more structured or whatever, they can check out those episodes.
Awesome.
Thank you very much, man, Thank you very much, and TJ again, thank you very much for bringing your sides.
Always appreciate it.
So we'll go around in room again and we'll let everybody plug that stuff real quick. Teresa, let everybody know where they can find your work.
Yeah, thank you, Mario. I just want to say real quick that the whole Pollstar polaris phenomenon of the constellations rotating round. It was what like was the moment for me when I realized, like the globe is not like a thing or at least how we're taught. So that was like a real like aha moment for me. So I'm so glad you like brought that up in the beginning. But anyways, Uh, yeah, people can find me on Spiritual Gangsters Podcast in X and Instagram at tes Gangsters Pod.
Awesome. Thank you very much, Robbie March.
Yeah, if anybody wants to check out my other stuff, from my art to my podcast or any of my social media, you can just go to my link tree which is link tree r M A r X R Marx and that'll bring up everything.
Thank you, Thank you so much, Maria.
That was so inspirational and interesting and everyone, thank you so much for great ideas. And uh, I'm on all the usual social media and appreciate anyone reaching out always, so.
Thank you very much for coming on. I always appreciate you, sir. Thank you headless. Let everybody know where they can find you at. Please, sir, you.
Can find me on YouTube. Just look up the Headless Giant. If you have any stories that you would like to throw at me and put in the Mystical mail Bag, go ahead and send the email to Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com. So thank you for having me on.
Of course, definitely send that man some emails to the Mystical mail Bag.
And TJ TJ. Let everybody know where they can find you at.
Please uh at contemporary problems and sometimes a contemporary problems with the underscore, and you will find me on all platforms or most of them.
Awesome. And if people are still listening Mario, where can they find you at?
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You know one last thing I just want to say. It's so interesting the relevance of the pole Star Elon Musk's like new division of SpaceX or new sort of like thing with it is called Polaris Dawn. That's one thing to know that's interesting. And then Trump is doing this ai sort of initiative that he's calling Stargate, right. That's the thing is like this is the original Stargate, this is the original sort of opening to another dimension
or whatever. And then even like I think it's the Space Force logo, it's like very clearly the pole Star, you know. And so there's a ton of examples of this out there. Maybe we can talk about it at some point or whatever, but it is a relevant topic unbeknownst to most people.
But anyways, thanks for having me man, this was really fun.
Oh of course, of course, thank you, And yeah, everybody's links are in the bottom. And again, I know it was tough for me to try to explain it because there was so many things I had already forgot. But if people have listened to my experience before and then I guess have listened to this episode, maybe try to at what I was saying with some of the symbolism. I do think some of it might match some of
the stuff I was showing on the screen. And thank you all again, And that is the end of another Recult Rejects And until the next one, everybody be well later.