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Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Today's episode, we got a very very very special guest, uh, somebody that had the actual pleasure to meet at the Cosmic Summit. But before we introduce the guest, I'm going to introduce the other rejects that are joining us.
And today we got my man Tyrone. What is going on? Sir? How are you? Please? Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work.
What's up everybody?
What's going on?
Asking?
How you doing?
Broy?
Everything you can find on me is on my website www dot rebirth atoword dot com. You can also buy my best selling book that was on Amazon, Journey through the Origins of History.
Thanks Nick, you say it, Bro.
Of course, thank you for joining us. And we got my man Headless Giant. What is going on, sir?
How are you doing? You can find me on Twitter at the Headless Giant and on YouTube Headless Giant as well. Check out my Instagram page. I'm going to be putting up a bunch of art there. And if you have any sort of paranormal slash strange dream stories, you can email it to me at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and we will read those on Thursdays tomorrow. I got my buddies Ricardo and Ethan Indigo coming on to do our trialogues on Sunday, so definitely check that out.
Thank you awesome, Thank you very much, sir.
And we got Doc Brown Prometheus Lens joining us today. What is going on, sir?
How are you? Thank you very much for making.
It and I appreciate it.
Man.
I'm honored to be part of this panel. Man as excited when you told me who he had coming on and you invitted me to come on, So I'm extremely grateful for the opportunity to sit down and talk with this man. But yeah, Prometheus Linn's podcast is my show. Websites Prometheus linnspodcast dot com anywhere you can consume content, you can find find me there. And also I had a book I just released this year. You can find it on Amazon, the Epic of Esol burs Right D and seed War.
Thank you very much, Nick, I appreciate it, of course, no, thank you, And we got Sarah What is going on? Sarah? Thank you very much for making it. Appreciate it.
Hi, thanks for having me. I'm Sarah.
I am public relations for the Institute for Natural Philosophy, so I will be filling in for Ricardo today. I'm also the co host of the Universal Unveiled podcast, so be sure to check that out.
Awesome, Thank you very much. Definitely go check out that podcast. They've had some really good guests on so far. You know, I was one of them. So and then finally finally to the man of the episode. But you know, before I introduced Ashon, I do want to say that when I was at the Cosmic Summit, there's a few things I had noticed that there was a few speakers there that actually seemed to hang out with the crowd and the people more than others instead of just hanging out
with the other speakers. And besides Billy Carson, I will say that Ashton Forbes, in my opinion, was probably with the people the most. They saw him hanging out with them talking to him. He's out there on his computer, he's trolling people on Twitter. Way he's hanging out with his friends at the Cosmic Summit. It was unreal, you know, and I was like, this is a real motherfucker. I'm gonna beg him to come on the show and he's gonna do it eventually because he got tired of me asking.
So here he is, Ashton.
And before before we get into the show, something I just want to mention for the people who are into the occult. I don't want to kind of screw up the flow of the show today because it's gonna be a lot more science and technical, but something that we have talked about before. Even when it comes to nine to eleven, every one of those planes was an Alice the Crowley book. It was a number that matched Alice
to Crowley. The Boeing seven seven seven matches Alice to Crowley seven seven seven, and he does even have a book that's liber three seventy. So again I just do find it interesting how what's going on with this plane? Even the numbers match Crowley again, So think of it whatever you will with that. But now we're gonna get into some smart stuff. I'm gonna ask me a bunch
of questions to explain things that I don't understand. So Ashton, please let everybody know what your deal is, what you're about, and where they can find all of your amazing works.
Please.
I'm the ORB guy. Now I'm I May three to seven zero guy. I don't know, I go buy a lot of names. People call me. Some people call me the UFO guy, which is weird because I don't really talk about aliens or UFOs that much. But I guess it just comes with the territory. So I became like e famous, I guess you could say from researching the MH three seven zero videos, some very controversial videos that
are out there that date back to twenty fourteen. After Malaysian Airlines Flight three seven zero disappeared on March seventh, twenty fourteen. These videos began to re emerge or emerge for the first time around May nineteenth of twenty fourteen, but we just ignored them for like nine ten years basically, and then even when I started to promote them and investigate them, there was so much controversy over them. People say, oh, these people are you know, disinfo or FEDS attacking you
or what have you. But I think a lot of it's really just like we are just now as a species starting to wake up to that type of technology, that type of physics, that type of science being able to be real. The same way where like cavemen would have struggled with like understanding why we have like an iPhone, Like how can this be a thing that's real? You know, that wouldn't be something they could understand either. So I've
been investigating. I started by investigating the plane and realizing that like those videos are real and there is a conspiracy around the missing plane, and then took it in another direction where I said, Okay, well, I mean something this incredible, like how is this scientifically possible? How is this physically possible? And to me that was the biggest revelation, which was finding out that the science to support it, like this idea of zero point energy basically is out there.
The papers have been written. It goes back you know, maybe seventy eighty one hundred years, maybe all the way back to Tesla essentially, And that's where this journey has taken me today, is trying to understand that physics zero point energy and realizing that it all leads back to plasma and nuke's actually, which means it leads back to fusion as well. So the craziest part is it all
kind of comes full circle. Where I went from an area of like, Okay, this is impossible, like this would require magical new physics to oh, no, that the physics is actually all out there, but you know it's been suppressed, and then realizing like, no, the physics is just out there, but like literally all the Department of Energy labs are like literally researching this, and I'm going like, we just not we don't pay attention to what they're doing. Like
that's that seems to me the answer. So that's the long winded answer to who I am.
Nice, Thank you very much.
That's a.
I think.
I think if if people knew more about the Department of Energy, we wouldn't be in this situation. Is there a quick way that you can describe to people all the roles that Department of Energy has in this sort of development.
Well, I think the most edge occational thing people should learn is how the research functions. So you have Aerospace Corporation, and you have Battel Institute and Betel sorry, Bettel Institute is the ones that's like the contractor for all the labs, so they actually manage all the labs like eleven billion
dollars per year, but that's all just federal money. They don't have any commercial clients, so it's basically our tax dollars, right, But because it's being filtered through this third party management company where all the labs would be managed, my guess is they use that to shield things from fouer requests because now it's not government anymore. So that's the first thing people need to know. Then Aerospace Corporation they also get like a billion dollars every year from the government.
Not they're like federal non for profits is what they call them. And these are the people that actually outsource these scientists. So if you're an engineer, what have you like, Okay, you get a contract, it goes through Aerospace Corporation, but it might be for like a DOE lab to work on this plasma blah blah blah. So that's the important thing to understand is how is the how's the funding
work for the DOE. I think the other thing that people understand that's important in this context is more I would say speculative, which is why is the DOE connected to the UFO topic? Like everybody says, oh, the doees the top dog and the que clearance of what have you? Well, it's because of the energy sources, Like whatever is the UFO is flying around with it's got to be the energy source. So when we are looking for the answers to what's what is these what are these UFOs? How
are they flying around? How are they floating freely? How are they teleporting? We should probably looking at what the DOE is doing, because they're apparently the ones who are gatekeeping it. So that's where I think it leads back to all what are they studying in all those labs? Fusion plasma stabilization, like all these concepts that if you take them to their extreme and what you could do you come up with a plasma word that can like fly around.
Nice.
That was actually something I did want to get into. Uh honestly, I just didn't even know where to start. I mean, I know you had gone over one thing I thought was awesome about the Cosmic Summit.
You went over patents.
Now, I don't know if that's something that you want to like really get into, if that's something you have to cover to get into orbs, But I do know that's something you've usually been going into recently too, is the whole ORB thing and what your you know, what is your idea of those orbs? Like what are they doing and how are they even there with this plane.
Yeah you want me to share.
Video, Yeah yeah, you can, yeah share what it pull up whatever you want.
Let me pull up this one because this is the Here's Gorgon's stair wide area motion imagery video, which is from a drone from above and these orbs. You know, this isn't a situation where like I came up with an idea of what the orbs were. It was like, just follow the science and figure out where the science leads. And where the science led was a compact fusion reactor. It's like when you look up fusion reactors, you find
it's just all about manipulating plasma. And these orbs are a plasma ball that's being contained by a magnetic field. It's not a solid thing around it. You can't really tell from this particular video. Thankfully, we have a second
video that tells us more detail about the orbs. If this tells us that we got, you know, three things perfectly aligned in a triangle formation, and plasma can explain that too, because it's the magnetic fields that are causing it to link up in that perfect triangle, which that was one of the things I thought was just totally wild, is that we have seen orbs and triangle formations get talked about in the UFO community over like the last
ten years or so. It's gotten kind of popular. Let me switch and show the other video real quick.
Do those orbs switch the way the directions at some point too? Looks like they spin more like.
It's really hard to tell because they're spinning three hundred and sixty degrees around the plane.
Yeah.
Yeah, and once they lock in because you can use something called magnetic inversion. Magnetic inversion means that, like you have a positive and minus charge that are somewhat separated, and if you take two positive and minus charges that are separated like that and bring them close, they kind of get to an equilibrium point where they don't come together anymore, but they don't pull apart anymore. So check
out magnet and version if that's intrigues you. The real giveaway here, Like, first of all, when you're looking at this, you look at these orbs here, that's not a solid structure around the orb. How do we know? Because in a second, you're gonna be able to basically see through them, like they become partially transparent. You can see that. So it's like, wait, that means it's not a solid thing. And this is how early on I was able to deduce that must be a plasma field, like a plasma
structure around something inside that we can't see. But the other giveaways. Look at those dark lines, these guys, see those dark lines like behind the orbs. That actually turns out if you look at a different color version of this, which I'll show here in just a second, those dark lines are clearly in front of the orbs. Like even right here you can pretty much tell these dark lines, or not even behind the orbs anymore. I'm just kind of pausing it and one slow the dark lines are
actually in front of the orbs. And look at the heat signatures spin around like that, and just I mean, look at the heat signature. That's the craziest thing I've ever seen. I could even imagine someone inventing that, let alone, like making all these frames. You can see it distort a little bit there too, So it's not something that's like a solid structure like the airplane. It's something that's a little bit more amorphous. But the reason why that
you see the dark lines in front of it. Let me show you one last version which will make that part clear is because when you look into fusion, there's all these instabilities and all these different instabilities. Uh wait that canceled. Oh okay, there we go. We're gonna pull that up. All these different instabilities basically boil down to when we try to do fusion, it always tries to escape, and when it's escaping confinement, it's damaging the thing that's
confining it. Usually, like these reactors have superconducting magnets and they have all this stuff to protect it from radiation and damage. But ultimately that's the reason why we can't keep these fusion reactors running for a long time. So they figured out something really smart, which was don't try to force it to be confined into a sphere. Let it leak out. Let it leak out in controlled way, and when you do that, then you can use it
as propulsion. So in this you can clearly see those dark lines are in front of the orbs like leading them pretty much. So what this means is there's actually not that many possible effusion configurations for this. These have to be sphere maas. I mean, they're literally we're looking at a sphere, so that must be a plasma that's being confined in by a spherical magnetic fields. And one of the only ways that only configurations for this is
something called field reverse configuration. A field reverse configuration creates an axial poloidal magnetic field just like the Earth. And with the Earth, how does the Earth work? We at we have a north and a south pole. If you imagine like a neutron star. These neutron stars have jets shooting out of either end of them, like what they call it, I don't know what the name of it is, some you know, death beam or they say they're like, oh, if that beam is facing us, it'll like instantly wipe
us out. This is what they're talking about. Because these plasma balls are spitting out material or X rays, you know, out of either end of it, and they just realize, like, oh, we can use that as propulsion. So that's what's going on with the orbs at a high level.
Well, that brings up something interesting. So these precursor sort of shadows, right, would that be an indication of some sort of cavitation containment because I think a lot of this comes down to this cavitation idea that we see that alternative energy researchers have been working on for years that it keeps coming up over and over again. Is this cavitation force field or cavitation force.
Yeah, so I think we're talking about like an implosive force basically. I think that theme comes up a lot in these videos. First of all with the zapp but the plane disappearing, which I've come to conclude must be some form of wormhole. Wormhole is like a conceptual view of how we would connect two points in space and time. It's not really a technical how do you do this kind of thing? It's more of a how would you think about the universe and doing something like that and cavitation.
So we also when when that plane disappears, if that was an explosion, I would expect this white hot explosion on the thermal camera and then the gorgon stair whammy. It's like this flash for just one like second. So photons are being released, but they're not hot photons because they're not hot in the other video. This is like another one of the biggest giveaways. That means that's some kind of endothermic reaction. It's like a monopole one half of a magnet. It's like one end of a magnet.
It's blipping out and that must be blipping back in somewhere else. That's what it seems to represent from the color and the heat signatures that we're seeing on the videos and cavitation. This idea of implosive effect. It's almost like the difference between fission and fusion. So we have like an A bomb, which is like a release of explosion of you know, energy, But from a fusion perspective, is that the opposite? Like what would a fusion a
pure fusion bomb actually look like. This is what I would challenge people because when I first had this idea of like, are we looking at like a pure fusion bomb with no fission, no neutrons being released as heat? Is that why it's like purely dark in that thermal One of the things I started researching was the history of it, Like, okay, well what's the history of the H bomb? Well, the H bomb was figured out in the sixties, but it was never dropped, at least not
publicly publicly. There was never an H bomb that was set off and nuclear uh whatever it is, anti prohibition or whatever, it was like we basically stopped making nukes and what have you. So I wonder if there is this connection to cavitation and implosive effect that we figured out from fusion bombs, and we never showed what they do, and everybody in their mind is just thought, oh, yeah, thermonuclear bombs just like a bigger nuke, that must be
what it is. But what if it's not that. What if it's actually just like straight up so much electromagnetic energy in a region of space time and a condensed region of space time that it actually just detaches that region from space time, like just attaches it. That would actually make kind of a lot of sense in terms of like when and how they would have branched this technology.
It would have been in the sixties when they figured out fusion and they figured out this whole aspect of manipulating space time from fusion bombs, and then they would have had to classify inertial confinement fusion research, which is also potentially linked to cavitation, because this idea of like this super powerful compressive pressure force, you know, going inward on your object, and so basically maybe that you know, cavitation, compression, fusion,
all of this was suppressed while they were trying to figure out h bombs and how to make the waves like hit these h bombs, and to make you know, these these massive effects, they figured out something completely different.
Potentially, it would be like a different form of mathematic Right, we're operating on one form of mathematics. They're operating on a completely different form. And so this is where that disconnect really starts to line up.
I mean, I wouldn't take it that far personally. I think that what I've found is that you don't need new math or physics to actually figure this out. That's part of the rub too, So we don't have to have some oh, here's the hidden the hidden physics, here's the hidden math. It's actually just conceptual perspective change, in my opinion, and it's a simple one too. It's we go from thinking that we're in an empty vacuum to realizing we're in a medium, we're in a fish tank.
And we do kind of think that, but we think of it as like the air around us. But we don't really think about the air around us. We don't really think, you know, we just assume, yeah, were chilling, and this bubble here it seems like nothing. But that's also true of empty space. Empty space also isn't nothing.
It's also not nothing. And this conceptual viewpoint change changes everything because what it means then is the space the distance between here and the moon or here in anywhere is the zoo or a point energy that that is a substance. So if you remove that substance, what happens, Oh, you shrink the distance between here and there potentially. Now this conceptual viewpoint helps understand how Einstein was right about
general relativity. Einstein was right. Actually, all the equations about like warp drives and wormholes they come from Einstein's general relativity. It's a big misconception that people think that like Einstein, thought space was empty. No. For for Einstein was the one that said there would be gravitational waves and we found them, and that shows that space time is some kind of medium. It's not just some fixed thing that you know, is empty.
Yeah, and I asked, and I had a question.
Man.
When I first seen that video, I thought that was pretty fascinating. But the past few years I've seen some people that posted on REDIT and they were going through and they were editors and looking at this stuff.
I didn't know.
I wanted to get your comments on the people that claim that this is you know, edited. And one of the things that one of the videos I seen, they put side by side a video from this nineteen nineties video game Killing Time when this portal opens up and the guy that you know steal the frame and put him side by side. I mean, they look almost identical, if I'm just being honest. But I've not heard anybody rebuttle it or anything like that. I just want to know what your thoughts were on it.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I've refuted it a lot of times. I mean, I don't know. I was surprised that that actually caught on as well as it did. When you see the debunks, usually this is like a magician's trick. What they do is they edit it and then they hide the parts that don't match, and they show you, like one edge, they go, oh, look, it's a perfect match, Like after I've changed it, after I've recolored it, after I've shown you the part I don't show you, But they don't say that part. They just
say it's a perfect match. Oh, you forgot the five steps before that. And so usually what I do, like the easiest way to break down and just prove that those people are lying to you, is I just literally will show you like an exact overlay like that's like and they'll never show you that, those debunkers never will, So like, pull this up if you don't mind, real quick, so I can just show this. So, I mean, this
is an exact overlay of the two frames. And I don't want to point out the people that say it's an exact match. They're saying that someone took a stock effect which is multiple frames and put it into the video. But this is the only frame that's even close. And as you can see here, I can see what they did. They found something where the edges on the right are similar, but in the middle it's not even close to the same. Now,
I'll be honest, it is pretty amazing. They found something that has a dot that's almost kind of in a similar spot here. But again, yeah, this needs to be a perfect match. This can't be a partial match. Partial match means is not a match. You're telling me that someone edited this into the video. It needs to be a perfect match, like literally pixel for pixel perfect match. Not Oh, it's pretty close. And again I'm gonna point out, I know these videos are real. So what do you
really want from me? If you're gonna make up stuff like that, like, oh, it's close enough. No, it's not good enough. You can't just stay as close up. In fact, here, let me if you pull this up. This is the actual full stock effect, not just the one frame, the whole stock effect put into the video. That's it. One frame. You can see, Yeah, it looks kind of similar if you resize it right, but you can see the edges don't actually really match. It's just it's close. And then
after that nothing's even remote. How would you even edit this frame to get this to match? I don't know how. You can see there's like a blast effect, and that's because this is actually not what the this stock effect here. This isn't even CGI. This is photos we found the guy that made this. Those are pictures of fire. So what you're telling me someone modified pictures of fire? Photos of fire. That's a photo, not a CGI. So like, that's how easy it is to just debunk. That's the
number one debunk. By the way, most people think that that stock effect is a perfect match because people on YouTube keep repeating the lie that it is when I can just show you in five seconds that it's not. And so my question would be if they're willing to like lie that boldly. Never show you what I just showed you, never explain in simple terms like I just did. Why are you? Why is anyone listening to those people
at all? What else are they lying about? In fact? Too, because the people that are making those claims are not just like one time debunker people. There are people that like Mick West, who's the monking literally everything out there, and if he's willing to lie, it's so boldly about something like that, or the Corridor crew who make multiple debunk like reaction videos. You know, what else are they
willing to lie about? I think it's crazy that people think that I don't like have credibility when you know, I'm happy to discuss this. And do you see those people on podcasts answering questions? Never? Never, ever, Mick West will never go on a podcast where anyone's going to be adversarial towards him ever, because he's afraid.
Well, I'm glad I asked man, because that's obviously something you've been asked a lot, and I just I wouldn't a wire but you had the film at the ready, man.
I appreciate that I've got all the debunks read. I mean. The only other thing too, I'll say is that the way that I saw it kind of play out is like people online just kind of make stuff up like oh, this shouldn't look this way or this shouldn't look that way, and then they'll like try to google something that they'll think that like supports their view, but it's kind of out of context because they don't really no, they don't google it no more. Man, they chat shept or Rochet, Hey, Groc,
what's the answer this right? Like, oh my god, and then you know, and Groc is just lying too now at this point, because Groc's just reading whatever people saw on the internet, which that scares me more than anything. So really what I wanted And this is if you go back to my early liveship that told people like people need to learn to think critically, like we have to think critically about everything. And this is where the debunkers are the ones trying to tell you think critically,
but they're not the ones thinking critically. They're the ones going, oh, this close enough match, we don't have to think about where this plane disappeared into and how that could have been possible, and why we never really found anything where
we were searching, you know. So what I tell people to try to like really rationalize how this is real to people to say, like, what do you think the whole stories if you believe the videos are fake, what do you think the story is about who made those videos? Because there's nobody that's claiming to be the person that
made those videos. In fact, one person was claiming for like a year and a half and turned out they were a huge scammer and it turned out they were like texting with this website owner place and like asking them the fake receipts to pretend like they made the videos. So wow, I mean, like, who made the videos if
you think they did? And we're even not even if you don't know the exact person, But what's the mental profile of the person who faked videos of a missing plane within a few days with this looks like military footage? And how did they know all of that? And why did they waste all this time to do this? And how do they know what coordinates to put in the plane?
And why did they put a satellite designation the bottom left that says NROL twenty two, which is a real satellite, and why did they know to call it NROL twenty two, which nobody, I don't think would have ever thought to do that. Like, these are all just a few of the completely inexplicable questions. But the big killer, the real nail in the coffin, is Gorgon Stare. I mean, once I found out that that was Gorgan's Stare wide air e motion imager, everyone's wondering that first video I showed,
it's actually not video at all. The frame rate's too low, it's only six frames per second. Why is the screen moving around like this? Why is there a mouse cursor that like comes off the screen and is moving around on the screen. Because you're looking at someone who's on software recording with their mouse and they're recording a screen a window, like right now, I have a bunch of
windows up on my screen. They're recording one of those windows, and that's why you see the mouse come onto the window. And then why does it go black at the end? It goes black at the end because they close the window,
and now the screen goes black. And that surveillance capability, that whammy was basically brand new, that capability we're looking I was almost brand new in twenty fourteen when that would have leaked, so those leaks wouldn't have just been crazy plasma ORBS teleportation black operation, but also revealing our secret drone surveillance capability, which apparently is like Google Earth. Wherever you have a drone flying overhere, you can just you know, I'm gonna do some DVR playback. Oh I
missed that episode of Teleport the Plane. Let's go ahead and pull that back up.
Well, and the most important part about this debunking is that they're focusing on the messenger.
You found these videos.
It's not like you created them, and we can't find the guys who created them. So if they were really trying to debunk it, they'd be going after finding who posted these videos, and they're not interested.
So that's the big This is the giveaway. There's so many ways to show that the people trying to debunk these videos aren't doing it in good faith. But the best one is early on too. They have a whole debunker subreddit that they banned me from right away because I can't have people like actually solving the mystery. They would say that, oh, I'm the one hurting the you know the case, I'm the one making it, so that We're never going to get the truth because I'm spreading
so much disinformation about it. And I'd laugh in those people's faces because none of them have been trying to solve MH three seven zero. None of them have been trying to solve the videos. They've all been trying to make it go away. That's all they've been trying to do from the beginning. They're trying to make people not listen to me. They've been trying to make nobody look at those videos, trying to make content related to Magery seven zreing those videos not be seen, deboosted, whatever they
can do. They want as many people as possible think those videos are fake because they need that to happen, because that's the only way those videos stay hidden is that the moment people start to wake up those videos, that's the biggest nightmare of the US government could have ever ever imagined. So, once again, why are these people not trying to solve the case. Why are they attacking me? Why are they trying to debunk the videos at all?
Like anybody there's a good faith researcher, they should just be trying to figure out, like who made the videos? If I didn't think the videos were real, I'd be trying to figure out who made them. I'd be like, that's crazy, how could somebody have made this? We need to find that person. They're not interested in that though, because they know there's nobody that ma.
They don't want the basics.
Man.
I always say, you got to know the basics before you even attack anything else. And that's the basics right there. Who to Hill made the video in the first place, and then let's go from there.
You know, Like even as me as like a video person podcasting, I'd be like, all right, I'm gonna pull apart that video because that's where I'm gonna find out if it's real or not.
Like I wouldn't. Yeah, I understand what you get. Man, did you go to the source? Yeah? Yeah.
Here's the thing. Even if they come back and say like, oh, well, you know what, can you can you find the person that leaked them? Yes?
I did.
I literally found the person that leaked the videos. And that's the whole point is like, if those videos were fake, you should be able to find the person that made them, no excuses whatsoever. They're not dead or whatever other bs people try to come up with. If it was in some eighty year old man making those videos in twenty fourteen or something like that. I literally found the guy that leaked them because just from looking at the videos,
that's how you can only do this. From real videos, you can tell the intent of the person leaking them. You can tell what's going on. You can tell that that's a leaked military footage from the United States government just from the videos, because we can see a General Atomics MQ nine drone with like a Northrop Grumming camera on hard point number five underneath the drone. Like that information alone proves that to the United States government at play. So then it was just a matter of like, okay,
they must have charged somebody with this. Like the first thing I learned was you can't actually hide these charges unless we're in martial law. If somebody does something like this, you got to charge them publicly. Okay. So, was anybody charged with like major crimes like you know, espionage that maybe it got brushed under the rug or something like that where we never really heard about it. Oh yeah,
I found the guy. Took it like two weeks. But there's not that many people, and I just went systematically down the list once I hit Edward Lynn, I was like, oh, there he has found him. Like he's in this super secret Navy program. He's got the exact right access he would need. He gets charged with espionage, but there's his cases shrouded in mystery. They won't say what it is that he leaked, but his lawyer is going around saying that, oh, it's on the internet. The evidence is on the internet.
What And then they make him take a plea deal. They make him take a plea deal. They convince him that what he did was wrong, which is probably like that wasn't aliens, bro, You weren't leaking aliens to the world. You were leaking our nuclear secrets to the world. Just imagine how the conversation went. And then he goes, oh, I'm sorry, I'm hurt. My spirit is broken. That's almost a direct quote, by the way, and takes the plea deal so they get rid of all the espionage chargers.
They're like, Okay, you took a plea deal, We're just going to get you with classified you know, information or whatever. It's like, great, I'm going to get a slap on the wrist right nine years, nine years for dissemination of classified information. That's crazy. That's a super long time. So you'd think, Okay, he appeals. We look at his appeal. His appeal. Actually, the penal codes are consistent with video
evidence being what he leaked. I mean, it could be other stuff because the penal codes are multiple things, but you know, still in the realm. He argued that he got like way too much time, and so in response, the military said, nope, what he leaked was super serious, and they had people testify to the judge why it was associous. They actually needed someone to Why would you need someone to testify to the judge about? Why would he was leaked was so serious? Shouldn't it just be obvious?
Right?
Was it nuclear codes? Like? What was it?
Oh?
Because it's some crazy videos of orbs spinning around a plane. And then someone needs to me someone's got to explain that to the judge because it can't be explained otherwise, right, Like why is this guy not a hero? For example? You know he's leaking like an illegal operation to the world. Oh, because it's a classified official operation. You know, So what
was the last thing I was gonna say? Uh? But yeah, so he's the guy that had to have leaked the videos, and he changed his name after I start, after I figured this out. We didn't find this out until like six months ago. But after I figured this out, three months later, I'm saying his name on podcast. He legally changes his name. I'm trying to find the guy, like I help. I'm trying to find him, trying to get in touch with him because like, maybe he'll talk to me.
I don't know what the circumstances were, but now I know the circumstances. Like his sister's a lawyer in Home Land Security. His brother in law is Sean Naylor, who's a national security MSM. Mainstream media like spook guy, and I'm going, holy shit, now I see what's going on. Like nobody knows what Edward Lynn leaked. His family might not know, his friends probably don't know. I talked to somebody that was in his unit. They didn't know. They
thought it was like prostitutes. I'm like, dude, does that make sense? He was telling prostitutes something. They put him in prison for nine years. He literally triggered a security alert to the Joint chiefs of Staff. What he leaked did that wasn't prostitutes, bro, That is actual video of something right, and the VPU tube two person told me this isn't even I think in any of the media releases that when Edward Lynn got arrested, they rolled him
up with flash drives as well. Now that's hugely important because it implies that he was pulling data and running away with it, and that would explain how those videos got on the internet too, as he pulled them from a s gift. Oh and last thing I'll say is that his sister won't talk. His the brother in law won't talk. I can't get him to talk. I've called his business multiple times, can't get him on the phone. His lawyer tried to get his lawyer. I have his
lawyer's phone number. He disconnected his phone number, turned his phone off, would never return to any phone calls. And not like I'm being psychoed, just asking him, like, hey, Broy, I want to talk to you about your your guy, you know, your your client in his case, especially because like I have some pretty compelling like I'm basically saying, he's a hero. In my opinion, he's leaking like free energy, plasma orb technology black operation. From a public perspective, he
seems like he should be a hero. But I think that all the baggage that comes along with it, and he knows that, like this isn't the kind of thing that you come out and you become a hero, Like they try to bury you if you come out probably with something like this. Right. So that's the Edward Lynn story.
Thank you.
That's incredible. So let's get into some of the patents. This is some of the new stuff that you've been talking about. What kind of patent have you found tangential to this technology?
So patent wise, I mean, I think that the scientific papers are better, but the patents think about the patents, A lot of them are just like hard to read, hard to understand. They make them that way intentionally, and from watching the engineers too. Even the engineers know that, like the patent office won't approve anything that touches on
like violating the first or second law of thermodynamics. So they weren't everything in like overly complex ways intentionally actually, which goes to show how mess up the system is. But the pattern that first caught my eye was a coherent matter way of being patent by Charles Chase of lockeed Martin and I never even really understood it that well.
But from reading it, it seemed like the kind of thing where like you're making matter like phase through solid objects, and you're like, wait, okay, well that seems relevant if somehow we figured out teleportation.
You know.
So and Bob Greenier had been talking about that past and for a while too, so I had always had
my eye on that pattern. And then it wasn't until a few weeks ago when I found and I saw another video by Charles Chase, the guy that was the patent holder, and he was talking about the coherent matterwave beam and he finally explains what it can do, and he says, oh, it's a million times more powerful than a laser, and I just my eyes opened up, because lasers have gotten extremely powerful ado second lasers, I think
it's like ten to the minus eighteen. Basically, the faster you can pulse something, the more energy density you can fit into a little region. And that's exactly what we need for space time manipulation, according to the math and to the physics. So if you can make something that's a million times more powerful than that, that's another six zeros. I'm going this has got to be able to manipulate spacetime like and then the other things, what else can
it do? It can also do atomic scale manufacturing. And now I'm going, wait, are you talking about Star Trek replicators. Well, yeah, it turns out this Charles Chase guy just did an interview two days ago and he literally says the word replicator, says that's what he was doing with the coherent matterway, but that's what he's working on right now. And then the last thing he says is transporting matter at a distance,
which I think is a head nod to teleportation. So that's my favorite pattern and that's my favorite guy, which, by the way, looked into Charles Chase, top zero point one percent of Lockheed Martin Engineers, he got Fellow designation, and he's the guy that convinced the cxos of Lockheed Martin, the top people of Lockheed Martin, to go all in on this compact fusion reactor idea like a decade ago. And on his resume it says it was successful and it's breathing on its own direct quote on his resume
from the guy who invented it. Was the guy who convinced the cxos to do it, and that project went dark in twenty eighteen, and no one knows what happened to him since on guys like literally, Congress should be like compelling Charles Chase to testify, because if anyone wants to know where the supermagic technology is, like there's your smoking gun.
Right, that's kind of the purpose.
Oh go ahead, No, just real quickly questioned mymalogies, the actual coherent matter wave? Does that touch upon the Hutchinson effect?
It could? I think that he was asked, I think about Hutchinson, but the coherent matterwave beam is essentially taking it. So with a laser, you take all that, you make sure all the wavelengths of light are in the same phase. So think of it as like the same color, right, all the same exact color. That's why laser is one single color. And then you just overlap them on top of each other. And when you overlap those waves, they amplify.
That's why a laser is like stimulated amplification, light amplifications stimulated. I always forget the exact acronym. But with a mat wave, you're essentially doing the same thing. You're saying, Okay, now, matter itself is a wave. So you think of an atom or a cup and we look at it and we think of this solid object, but if you really boil it down, this is a complex series of waves.
What this is.
So if we can actually isolate our matter waves and the way they do this is a Bose Einstein condensate, then we can eject the matter all out at the same wavelength the same way we do with the light. With the laser, we can eject the light out of the photons of the same wavelength. We can do the same thing with matter. Then you can create a matter wave beam. But to answer your question, is it connected
to the Hutchinson and stuff. Yeah, absolutely, and Thomas Townson Brown and really a lot of the engineers and scientists that you've heard in the lore around free energy and gravity manipulation. It's all connected by a common thread of science for sure.
Yeah, because it would play upon the whole fusion thing that you were speaking about earlier. And then I guess a sense it would be analogous to switching out photons for matter, like they're both packets of energy, it's just the density, right, Would that be.
Correct to say mass is energy? Matter is energy? So that's one of the very really important things. I think it was a Ningly presentation. She's one of these anti gravity researchers from the nineties that's aw ybco or why CBO I always get the acronymic sed uff, but these superconductors. It was her and her presentation where she points out E equals mc squared means that matter is equal to energy.
Now that seems like a very basic thing, but it's so fundamental and so important because if we are now saying that we can manipulate gravity through mass like a planet, well, now if I convert that mass into energy, I should be able to calculate how much energy I need to manipulate space time as well. And so that's super important because now we're saying, okay, if I'm going to manipulate the space time with energy, now I can actually do the calculations. Now I can figure out theoretical what I
would need, and this is what scientists did. They did that and they found, oh, well, to manipulate you know, space time significantly, we need like this Jupiter size amount of mass energy and so they will call it mass energy. But then they also figured it out, Okay, we start doing the math, we start finding little tricks that we can do, like you know, uh, spin is one of the things they can do. They call it a rotating wormhole. One of the other things they can do is they
can make flat faced wormholes. And then these things now reduce the energy requirements significantly. So there are ways they found that even around the challenges.
That they had, and I guess the and just to go ahead.
Sorry. One other thing that I just wanted to this is kind of tangential or related to that, was that when it comes to waves as well, this idea of fusion. So we think of fusion as like particles forcing the particles to come together, and they want to repel each other, so they get to this point we can't get them to come any closer, the Coulan barrier, we call it. But if particles are just waves, they're not actually particles anymore.
Then really we're combining waves when we're doing fusion, combining the waves together and we make a new wave from it. That would be, in my opinion, a more intuitive way of thinking about fusion. We just don't think about that
way because we think of everything as particles. Charles Chase actually touches on this subject and he says, you know, the matter wave beam can create new elements, like literally even super heavy elements that we wouldn't think we could create naturally, but we can artificially create them and they become stable as well. So there may be this connection
between the coherent matter wave beam and fusion. And when I see some like coherent matter way and hear that explanation myself, I go, obviously they must have figured out fusion. You can't figured out coherent matter wave beam without have already first figured it out fusion, right.
So yeah, and so kind of just going based on building on what you said.
In my mind, I'm relating it to biological systems, and there are points when you have a wave that's coming from both ends and they meet in the center and then they kind of go back out. But that center point is that zero point node. And it almost I almost wonder if some of these orbs wormholes.
Is that center point node.
And the reason I say that is because you see it kind of stand still and it is the actual point of manipulation. And when you think about DNA, you see this entire coding region, but it's in specific areas where you have a palindrome and repeating area, and it is the point where you calculate the entire genome. It is the site where viruses inject themselves to where you
can manipulate the coding rerangion going in and out. And so when you bring in the wormhole thing, and then you think about gravitational as waves to me, and it probably is completely incorrect that I think of it in terms of zero point nodes, that they are points of manipulating, should enforce time space or electromagnetic fields or anything like that.
Yeah, I think the big thing to bring up is scaleing variants. Scaleing variance things that are very small. It can be very large as well. So then I guess the question is that the smallest possible scales, what does the universe look like? If I had to guess, I'd guess it probably looks like what it looks like the very small large scales as well. And so that also applies to biology. Probably. I think all this physics absolutely
applies to biology. It must, And what you'll find when you start to dig into these engineers and scientists and physicists, a lot of them make that connection. Some of them are more leap into it more than others do, but they all realize that you know, where's the energy coming from, where's consciousness coming from? Is there a connection between quantum entanglement and how our minds work? And I agree on
that as well. When it comes to zero point nodes and the planes and the orbs, absolutely, that's definitely in play in these videos, like the way those orbs are stabilized where they don't seem to like they don't dissipate, Like if lightning where to strike, it's going to dissipate, right, But these are like lightning balls that are just floating around almost like I made a vortex in my pool and the vortex is just going on forever and that
and that configuration implies you've created this zero point in space time. Potentially, then that's how they're able to create fusion and cause this propulsion be stable. That you've created this zero point like longitudinal wave through the ether that's like invisible to us, is how I would think of it.
With respect to the plane itself, the zero point is around the plane those orbs in a perfect triangle formation when they're using magnetic inversion to get locked into place like that where they don't come in or out any further. There's a zero point, right, in the middle where all the magnetic fields cancel each other out means there's no magnetic field there. So how do I know this is teleportation? You wouldn't go through all that effort if you were
just annihilating the plane. You would just be like shoot it with a missile.
Like.
The reason why you're doing this complex dance with the zero point right in the middle of the plane is because that's a warm you're like detaching everything else around it.
And when the orbs come together, they're coming together right before the plane disappears, also in a perfect geometric sequence as well to your point, because they're maintaining that zero point, they're like pinching and squeezing the plane, but not squeezing it through our three dimensional space, squeezing it through the fourth dimension right like down if you would want to think of it like that, and they're saying, Okay, you're getting squeezed poop, and then it's going to pop out
back over here somewhere else.
This all kind of spurre was because when you showed the images if you and maybe you have when you look at conception, when the sperm has penetrated into the zone, pollution of the egg and you see that explosion of six hundred thousand dions, it looks almost identical. And you do have a wormhole being created when you trap matter and when you trap and matter and energy into matter during conception.
And this is not a debate or anything like that. It's proven IVF.
This is the flash that they look for or before implantation, and your charge fifty thousand for it. So it just looks similar to the images you showed right before the plane when the plane disappears, and then when you look at conception and that explosion of the zero polluca.
So yeah, another fun thing reaction. Oh, space can turn into photons as well, the dynamic Kasmir effect. It's a fun experiment. No one really talks about it. I like talking about the craziest experiments that people can't really explain or understand where light. Light gets produced from manipulating just the Kasmir effect, So photons get basically the way they explain is the virtual photons get converted to real photons.
So you mean basically light comes from nowhere? Yeah, exactly, light just being pulled from space time itself, like almost like you're squeezing the sponge of space. Time and light is coming out of it. That to me is the greatest because how do you even explain that without there being a zero point energy out there? So I love the connection between you know, energy mass and then space, time and light as well.
Well I was gonna, I was gonna ask you. So there's there's so many scientists out there that glaze this three three body problem book. You know, I hear so many of them talking about it, and it's like, how could there not be a connection because they're talking about dimensional physics in this three body problem, you're talking about flat surface you know, wormholes and stuff. This is a dimensional idea, right.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's it's adding an extra dimension one at one extra dimension just one. And I I mean, you know, my mind has opened to all the possibilities. But I personally believe this idea of like there's not like aliens coming from the extra dimension. In my opinion, now, I think you can ghost these things like that can actually make sense and spirits and like where a consciousness comes from. But I wouldn't think of the extra dimension as like you know, our bizarro versions
hanging out there or something like that. Though you know who knows anything that is totally possible. I think I'm more of like we. It's the representation of all that mass and energy when you add up everything that we see plus the zero point energy, the fabric of our universe. When you add that all up, that's the ether. That's everything all combined. Like it almost like if you were to look at a snow globe, it's like, okay, is
the snow globe just the objects? No, the snow globe is the water in there and everything, and I shake it all up like that because when you then do that, now you say okay, Now I can do equations where I can say the matter me is interacting with the space time, which I previously was discounting and sane was empty. But now I can say okay, because that helps me represent where I am, where is Ashton? Am I here in front of this screen? Or am I over where
you are? Et cetera. And then this also opens the door to all these star trek capabilities that we've been seeing.
And I'm very careful about not shooting down the idea of like you know, spiritual extra dimensional aliens of what have you, because honestly, this actually opens the door up to more options, and to me, then the next question is simply as like, is the many world hypothesis true, which would mean that like if I were to somehow go back in time break causality, is that going to make a new universe and therefore there must be infinite
new universes everywhere and different paths that everybody's taking. Or is it more of this is the one and only universe and we're in a deterministic timeline and you either can't go back in time, or if you do go back in time, you're not changing anything. It was just always that way to me. That's a tough question that maybe we can never answer, but that's the one that will determine in my opinion, like how weird this all gets.
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You go some esoteric stuff for you guys.
Uh, one thing I did want to get into. I didn't want to kind of get off of where we were going. But there was like certain things that I've seen you kind of I don't know if you mentioned it in your show, but I knew I show you tweeted and it quote my attention and actually made me think. I think you kind of said you had thought that it was possible that our government was using this technology when we bombed Iran.
Sorry, what was the first part.
There that I assure you make a tweet saying that you thought it might have been possible that the way we went into Iran and did what we did and come back without getting caught or nothing, you suspect possible.
Now that's I think people are trying to say that. I was saying that I don't think we teleported our bombers over Iran. I don't think we need to do that, honestly, And I think that would be kind of like, why do that, because you're just kind of exposing your capabilities if you do that. But I do think the angle that I was going on is that I think Iran was working on trying to get this technology and that
was just never gonna happen. I think the cover was like, technically the masade are the ones that killed those nine Iranian nuclear scientists. I don't know if you guys knew this, but they assassinated nine Iranian nuclear scientists while they were sleeping simultaneously, supposing, according to the news article, was using a secret weapon. You know, call it whatever you will. To me, nukes are like an old thing. Like, we're not working on the the you know, an a bomb.
We you know, a bomb is something we dropped in nineteen forty five, that was eighty years ago. If you look at all the science around nuclear physics, all really a plasma, manipulating, controlling plasma, that's what those Iranian scientists would have been working on. In fact, that would mean they were definitely understood and working on the idea of
zero point energy. And that's what the CIA would never have let happen, and they would have you know, Masad can probably act and do what they want, but they're working in concert with the CIA presumably or at least get their blessing. And that's the part where I think that's that's what's really going on in that season when we're talking about like nukes, we're not scared of you know,
a bombs. We're scared someone's gonna make like a black hole super weapon that's infinite energy that just wipes out the whole planet like instantly, either accidentally or intentionally. So that's my take on that, and that's why I say people say, like, oh, like a lot of people try to gaslight about Russia or Iran being more powerful than the United States. You have to be out of your absolute mind if you think that these countries are more powerful in the United States. Like we just don't talk
about our crazy stuff because we don't need to. Like we don't need to. And that's why, you know, anybody that goes against the United States on this in this planet is just going to get wiped out fashion they can possibly imagine. So people then say like, oh, well, why haven't we taken over China or Russia. It's like, well, how do you think that's going to play out? Like what, Oh, okay, we conquer you now now you're Americans now, Like it's
not that simple. You know, that's not how geopolitics really works. But you know, the response to the Iran conflict or whatever war whatever they're calling it, twelve Day War, I mean, China did nothing, Russia did nothing. That was their main ally Iran was and we just went and bombed them and walked out like nothing. Russia can't even get air superiority over Ukraine, Like what you think they're going to get air superiority over any over us in a way.
So I think that was a big tell sign where people kind of had to wake up and go, Okay, yeah, maybe the United States can do whatever they want. But again, that's that's my controversial take on the geopolitics side.
Okay, gotcha. Yeah.
I actually made a comment last night that I had actually thought that might be a lot of wars or a lot of things going on because of people having certain technology and just other governments don't want you having it, you know, stargates and free energy and shit like that.
There was just an idea that I've had, so I guess you're kind of saying the same thing.
Yeah, And there's a lot of fun rabbit holes to go down on that front, because I mean, once you realize that they've got technology that's like free energy technology or teleportation, like that's stuff that nobody, like nobody in the mainstream is talking about them, even broaching the idea of people having that level of technology. But once you realize that, I was like, oh, now you start to think of things in a whole different light. You know.
It's like everything's a completely different perspective, even the way that they frame a lot of this stuff. I mean, the biggest scam is, of course, climate change, not because it's not potentially real, but because the people that are trying to gaslight us about the dangers of climate change. Have the solution, They have this solution of fusion, they
just don't give it to us, you know. So I do think that understanding that we have this whole technology, you know, assuming that it is true and we do have it, which I'm convinced of course. Yeah, just changes changes the perspective on everything geopolitically, frankly and energy wise.
When you identify that all the governments of the world agree on UFOs and antarctica, everything kind of comes into focus. It's like, maybe there's a linkage between what they know about this stuff and how much they don't want to get bombed for saying anything about it, because it is really like godlike power, and that's that's terrifying to all these smaller countries.
Yeah, imagine they had portals and like one of the one that you think about, which I'm not endorsing this particularly, but like the idea that what if Saddam Hussein wasn't building nukes, what if you had like a secret stargate or something that he doesn't say at least right like, oh, okay, well we had to go take that over or destroy it or something right because we couldn't let them have that, We couldn't let them reverse engineer that technology or something.
Or what if there's something in Antarctica under there where it's like buried under the ice and we just don't want people going near it and figuring it out. Like those are the things that I that give me pause because that's like what you would do if if we figured this technology out. To me, I really struggle with like did we just naturally figure out teleportation and free energy stuff? Like I feel like we got some help somewhere.
And if you look at the last like one hundred years of our advancement, we've gone like this, it's like we're building is sentient AI is now right, and like you know, one hundred years ago we were riding around on horses, So you know something this doesn't It feels a little too And you could say, Okay, we have this technology technology singularity that's happening clearly, But still to me,
I'm I'm feeling like we got some help somewhere. Maybe we dug something up, maybe crash ship, maybe we I don't know, future humans.
A lot of.
Ashton with the potential that Saddam Muzin had potential technology, with Iranians potentially having technology, and with the lore surrounding Nazi Germany with diglock and I'm pronouncing that, do you think that maybe that was probably one of the reasons we went in as well.
Yeah, the diaglock thing man the Nazi Germany, there's so much law around it, and I actually think like almost all the law is true, Like it's just really more of like what's story that makes sense for all of it? And there's actually quite a few different stories that can make sense for it. But the Nazi one's really interesting because they were like spinning mercury, which is supposedly the way you can do anti gravity as well. That would have been one of the first rudimentary ways to do it.
And I found one of the scientists that I found is actually a literal project paper clip scientists. Like I thought that was like a conspiracy theory thing. No, it's like a real thing. We just took the scientists from Germany, anyone that had prospects, like anyone that seemed like they could do something good. So we got we take this guy named fried Wart Winterberg. He studied under Werner Heisenberg.
Like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. That was his mentor. And he was like fifteen years old or eighteen years old or something like that, and we spotted him and you know, said, okay, you're coming to America. You know you're gonna come teach us do And it's crazy because he then worked on fusion and nuclear bombs and a thermonuclear weapons and all, and nobody knows about him because all his research is basically just classified. And so I read his textbook about nukes.
In the very first page, it says they classified inertial confinement fusion because of thermonuclear weapon applications, and then that's probably why the world will never get fusion. Like the first page, you go, okay, well maybe we should listen to this project paper clips scientist who like came over, never got any credits, so probably has an ax to
grind and like they won't declassify as research. And he's just saying straight up that we just classified fusion and of course we did make sense too, like oh yeah, it's connected to h bombs, connected to thermonuclear weapons.
Well, and one of the things that I've i guess tangential notice is that when you look at some of these places where they brought some of these scientists, especially the ones looking into physics, cermo dynamics, space time and all that, and you look at where they placed them and where they were doing research. You also see a correlation orbs appearing, one of them being Marpha in Texas.
There brought flip scientists there and Broswell's another one or outside of it, and you do see orbs there every now and then. And I just always found that really odd that the two exist and causation is not correlation.
I get that.
However, it's a big, big coincidence.
In my book, Yeah, Relly could be studying it.
You know, they could be there looking at these events that are natural and trying to figure out how to weaponize them.
You know, that's that's a real possibility. That's one of the hypothesis is that you know, people will say, okay, Ash and you say that they've got these plasma orbs, right, but what I've been researching, Okay, maybe they've had the plasm orb since like the two thousands. That's pretty much where the science kind of culminates on humanity figuring out how to get your plasm orb to fly. Around based on the scientific papers working on in the nineties, figured
it out two thousands. Now we've got plasmidrome. But we were saying, oh, people are seeing these in the you know, the Foo fighters in the twenties is a good example, right, So how do you explain that? Well, one of the answers to explain that is, well, we basically just saw the aliens or other civilizations flying around their plasma orbs and we're like, oh, we can do that. That's cool.
How do they do that?
And they just use electromagnetic theory and they just reverse the engineering and then figure out, oh, we can make a plasma orb too. So that's one possibility for sure. But I do think that if you look at the history of it of the UFO topic, a lot of things went from flying saucers in the seventies, eighties, nineties even to the twys twenty ten, specifically shifting the orbs. Specifically, I would say plasmos the balls of light basically balls of energy if you want to think of them like that,
And that's definitely connected to exotic vacuum objects. Ken Shoulders research how Pudov's research and what those guys were doing and no one just no one really knows because they
haven't looked into that and seem so esoteric. But once you demystify it for people, show people the papers like the Dense Plasma Focused paper by Frank Mead and George Miiley, where they're literally just talking about in the abstract, we're gonna make this plasma orb it's gonna have jets on it, and we're gonna use it for gravity waves and use it for high energy lasers. You're like, oh, okay, so there it is two thousand and five, like Air Force
was clearly clearly working on it. That's why I think we're seeing more of them is that. And the other big thing is they're drones. It's not somebody flying around in the flying saucer. They realize it's a big liability if you have to like make your thing air tight. Now you have to have an air supply inside your flying saucer, especially if you're gonna warp drive it somewhere, you know, So the solution is, don't have anybody inside of it, just have it be a drone. Maybe. In fact,
the aliens are on was certainly using drones too. Why would they come down and visit us in person and just send a drone to come by. So I do think there's a good possibility that they kind of you know, reversed engineered it. And then to me, it's the crazy part is I can't even really narrow it down. I can't even tell you like, oh yeah, definitely came from actually terrestrials or you know, an ancient civilization like like theory of Atlantis or heck, even the future human hypothesis.
I used to think that was silly and absurd, and then you realize like, oh no, we can actually manipulate space time. So okay, if you can go back in time, then we could be manipulating our own timeline, and maybe the people gatekeeping this or like the timeline Police or something. You know.
It makes me think of like a movie where it was I think Jackie Sham might have been in an a he was going through like different timelines. I think of his own soul, his own self, and he was like knocking them off because.
One ye, come on, goes straight to hero Knakamura.
Talk.
Did you have any questions before we move forward? I just wanted not to put you on the spot. I'm just you know, I just wanted to ask.
Which I would like to ask him, because he mentioned the spiritual side of it or the interdimensional side of it, and then as we're talking about zero points or conception points. I'm friends with the doctor Greg Little and I had talked with him about a month ago, and he co wrote a book with Andrew Collins called The Origins of the Gods, and basically he talked about, you know, you hear about all these encounters and things in the old world, if we coin that term, because like the electromagnetic.
Status of the.
Earth was more pure, and now with all the microwaves and Wi Fi and cell phones, it's really polluted the electromagnetic field.
So it's kind of.
Made it hard for these things to manifest. But he talked about plasma in that book, and in the nineteen seventies they had that apparition of Mary in Egypt above that cathedral, and this was like a big phenomenon back then. I mean, millions of people gathered around and seen this thing and documented it and had photos and video all
that kind of stuff. But his research, he was saying that a lot of these apparitions of these plasma bills and fields kind of held common themes with lay lines and also fault lines, and he was talking about this maybe is something that's generating under the earth like a natural energy, and it's popping out like a cracking concrete trying to find the least resistance and escape. And he said that basically he was of the opinion that these things are basically like gateways or tars or portals like
you were talking about earlier. And he says that maybe extra extra dimensional or spiritual entities use these as insertion points or ways to communicate with humanity. I just didn't know, you know, since you guys had brought that up, if you've heard him talk about that or heard that idea, or what was your thoughts on that.
Yeah, I mean I've heard you know, lay lines and all in those concepts. I think that the lay line concept is interesting from the same for the same reason as like the what is the base structure of the universe reason? Because if there is some structure of the universe, and you would think why they're not structured to like the Sun or to the Earth, and we just don't see it because it's invisible to us. So I think it could be possible, but I haven't been super compelled
by the lay line arguments. I do also, I do think that there's an interesting argument that you were making earlier though, as well, about like you know, he's saying that it might be harder to manifest certain spiritual aspects when we're polluted with this electromagnetic spectrum, because again we don't see it, but everything around us is emitting electromagnetic waves all the time, especially in today's day and age,
where we use electricity all the time. That would be a really interesting thing if someone could study that somehow and figure out because I like to think of the zero point energy is like the white noise, the white noise that's going around in the background. So you could imagine that as a civilization is more and more advanced, you do have this pollution that could be occurring, and we don't even recognize it because we don't ever see
it at all. But if there are entities that are more connected to that zero point energy, maybe they don't see the same way we see. Maybe they see it as pollution everywhere else where. It's like stopping them from coming here. That would be that would be pretty interesting. I'd never really thought about that, So thanks for presenting that interesting idea for me, Doug.
That actually did make me think, really, just real quick, I just want to mention this.
You're talking about lay lines, but I've also thought of I mean, if you look at birds and you look at natural weather, you know, if there is any natural weather anymore. And it's something that I think we've even spoken about when we covered well when Lisa basically covered the morning core with the birds. There is things kind of in the above us that is almost like lay lines on the ground, but like now in the air. I do wonder if like that has something to do
with any of that stuff. Have you ever thought of that or stuff like that?
Well, here, let me tell you about something that's, you know, pretty scientifically accept There's a peer reviewed paper that came out in the last year where they were able to take just a tube metal tube using a specific alloy, and based on how they aligned it to the Earth's magnetic field, it would produce voltage like if it was aligned the right way, it produced voltage free energy. He would say, where's that coming from. Technically you're sapping there,
technically sapping the Earth of energy. I mean, you're not doing it in an appreciable amount but that's where that's coming. And the crazy part is if they turned it ninety degrees, the tube didn't work anymore because it's now now no longer aligned with magnetic fields, and it had to be perfectly a lined. So you could imagine like tweaking it and all of a sudden, this thing xacts you because
it's producing electricity I mean very tiny amount. So that's why I think that, like, there clearly is obviously this connection between the field, the magnetic fields, the direction of the magnetic fields, et cetera. I think that people just kind of take it in a more esoteric aspect when they say, okay, well these specific directions and these specific
points at these at these locations. But certainly, of course certain locations, just like with that experiment, certain locations are better than other locations because of either how high you are off the ground or what have you. So yeah, there's definitely a you know, at a minimum element of truth to the idea.
And I even do think the Sun is somehow is possibly involved in all that.
So sure, I mean, if you believe in the electromagnetic electric theory of the universe or plasma theory of the universe, then you know that there's electromagnetic fields coming from the Sun, you know, are helping to stabilize our entire solar system essentially, or there may even be these giant galaxy level magnetic fields that are wrapping around our entire galaxy, which could explain why the stars on the edges of the galaxies are rotating as fast as they are when they should
be rotating a lot slower. So that's where I think it's funny. You look at the conventional classical view of physics, there's all these gaps in it that they can't explain, dark energy, dark matter. They have no idea where mass comes from or gravity comes from, just exists. I think it's fundamental force.
It's not.
And you realize, Oh, if they just thought about things in all like slightly more esoteric way, like a slightly different conceptional viewpoint, like all those problems just go away, they all go away.
What is your not to throw this question out there randomly? What is your opinion on gravity?
On gravity, gravity is a zero point fluctuation force. So the zero point energy this ocean of energy we're in, well, wherever there's divots in it, that's gravity. Right, So when we have a massive Earth or the Sun sitting in that yield of zero point energy, it pulls everything towards It pulls everything towards it. That's gravity. So I think of it as a zero point energy is the fabric of the space time, and when you're distorting that fabric, that's where the gravity is coming from. So how do
I create gravity? Distort the fabric? So this is exactly why you add energy to a region, just like if you're adding a planet to a region, you're going to create going to create gravity. So that's how I view gravity. And there's a good paper by Hal Pudoff nineteen eighty nine, gravity is a zero point fluctuation force where he's probably not the first person, but I like his paper because he's prestigious, people know him. And he connected electromagnetism to gravity.
I mean it had already been unified like one hundred years ago, but he does the equations shows the mass shows Einstein's equation goes, look there it is, and you know, people try to critique it, but he countered the critiques as well, and I think we're just at a point. I mean that was nineteen eighty nine, so thirty six years go. He wrote that paper. Maybe now we're ready to accept it that's how things really work.
I don't know.
Oh, by the way, was dig into remote viewing too, So you know, this goes to show that he was at least thinking about the idea that the zero point energy was more than just gravity manipulation, you know, more like, is there a connection to the conscious?
Interesting?
But it's sort of like an informational field which which goes back into plasma because plasma seems to have self organizing properties, and if that's connected to this informational field, that kind of makes sense why there would be this linkage between plasma physics and stuff like remote viewing.
Yeah.
I never knew what plasma physics was all about before this. You know, I'm like, why do we care so much about plasma? What's plasma physics albout? Now I'm like, oh, it's all plasma physics. It's like all plasma physics. Because we're realizing, like, where does electricity come from? Electricity is just an asymmetry a positive and negative charge being separated. You separate a positive nay of charge, electricity willform you think about from that conceptual viewpoint, you go, Okay, well,
what is a plasma. A plasma is separating the negative charge and electron from the positive charge ion. Oh what, that's the same thing as electricity. No wonder, plasma is so important. Plasma is basically the base form of what
we're doing with electricity. And I saw some people in the chat mentioning cimatics like a Bose Einstein condensate is functionally, in my opinion, equivalent of taking matter, taking plasma or whatever, and turning into a coherent form shape using frequency, using wavelengths, using resonance. Because again, everything is waves. So the way we should be thinking about how are we getting these two waves to interact. If this wave is going like this and this wave is like longer, like what happens
when they meet? What happens when they interact with one another. That's how I think people should be thinking about it.
And that goes back to the cavitation effect and the light being created in the bubble.
So you're talking about iluminescence. Soniluminescence is one of the cooler experiments where they take sound waves in water and light forms where they meet. You know, they create a scale and interference in the middle. You get this cavitation effect, and it's hard for classical physics to explain that where's the light coming from? You just put sound and water and light is coming out of nowhere, like you know, that's pretty unusual, and people would question, is there fusion happening?
There?
Is that where the lights, you know, coming from? I think when you just think about in terms of waves and mixing waves, makes a lot more sense. I mean, still kind of hard to wrap our brains around because we live in this three D world where we think of everything as a physical object. But when you move away from it thinking everything's a physical object, then we really open our minds up to a lot more possibilities.
For sure, all the talk of water in waves, I just recently heard a turn looking into some of this stuff where you came on and I heard people talking about space foam? Is that like the scientific kind of term for these waves and waters that everything kind of risks and where there's like void space or space?
Yeah? I think was it Tom Bearden? I think he said he thought of the ether. The zero point energy is like little bubbles, like, so if you were to really boil it down to the small scale, what would it look like? It would look like little bubbles in like a bubble wall basically, because that's some small level, there must be some structure, right, that's the idea behind it. So if you think about these little bubbles, it's easier
to understand because you're walking through these bubbles. What's that going to do. It's gonna resist you, right, It's going to cause a force to push back. That's inertia. That's what inertia is. Why can I not accelerate to the speed of light even in outer space? I mean on the Earth it's because the friction of the air, But even in outer space, I can't accelerate to the speed of light. Why because of the zero point energy is slowing me down. That's the reason. That's what inertia is.
Another thing you were talking about was the fluid. So that actually came up with a term for the whole study of the plasma, because the plasma acts like a luid. They call it magneto hydrodynamics MHD magneto hydrodynamics. Sometimes you'll hear it called different versions of that. But what that means is they create the plasma and now you treat it like a liquid and because it's flowing around different directions. What you're trying to do, We're trying to stabilize it.
We're trying to figure how can we stabilize this plant, How can we get this plasma to do what we want? Well, there's a whole field of physics around it called magneto hydrodynamics. So the people they didn't know what that term meant MHD. Now you do. Anytime you see MHD, they're talking about manipulating plasma with magnetic fields. Get in to do what you want.
Uh.
One thing I wanted to kind of touch on is that I think you kind of mentioned Lucky Martin a few times though. It was interesting how you're kind of showing like some of the stuff that they're kind of coming out with now that I think you're saying is proving that they've been using this stuff.
For a minute. Right, Is there anything on that that you want to like maybe good specific touch on.
Well, for Lockheed Martin, I mean their compact fusion reactor, that's that's got to be the I mean, how are we not just like having congressional hearings from all public available data from the guy that built it literally saying it's successful. That means they have a working fusion reactor that's compact, mean, like can fit in my house, doesn't even going to fit in some giant power plant like that.
That's free energy for everybody. Like this is the thing where I'm just like, how do people reconcile the fact that Lockheed Martin just has a compact fusion reactor. They're just not telling us about it. And they've had seven years minimum to tell us about probably longer than that, and we're just okay with them hiding that wall, this big charade of fusion, pretending like we're researching fusion trying to figure it out when Locked Martin's already had it solved.
That's the thing that I just can't wrap my brain around. In fact, let's play this video here a little intermission for us, because I have the Lockheed Martin. This is from their website, Like this is the guy that helped develop this. Let's just listen to this video here and we'll listen to this is Thomas.
Hyt is a much safer option. So a next generation of airplanes that doesn't rely on fuel, it can just stay aloft, unlimited range, unlimited endurance. That's what nuclear fusion can do for an airplane. We put it in a magnetic bottle that can contain the high temperatures you need hundreds of millions of degrees we can release in a controlled fashion energy. We think we have a very robust
strategy going forward that has potential for success. What this concept does is it's a high beta concept, which means we use a high fraction of the magnetic field pressure. We use all of its potential, and that means we can make our devices ten times small. So instead of something the size of a building, we have something the size of a large truck.
The small is the reason we.
Can do this quickly. If something small you can build up momentum, you can develop it fast. It doesn't take five years.
To design it. It takes three months. We can design it, build it, test it in under a year. We can do several of these cycles, and we think we can get to a prototype in five years.
Every time you do plasma physics, you learn something new, and that's why this is a high risk.
High payoff endeavor.
That's what we're doing here is testing that concept out to see if it really holds the promise that it appears to. And as a defense company, our increasing mission is to enhance global security, and this is how we do that.
In the energy realm.
Gas turbines are a huge improvement over other technologies in terms of climate change, but they're only a fifty percent improvement. We take it all the way so no emissions, safe operation, proeferation free. That means we can ship it to the whole world with a good conscience. The old promise of atoms for peace was a noble one, but ultimately flawed because the technology wasn't right for it.
Can achieve that grand vision and bring clean.
Power to the world.
The true atomic age can start.
Ten years we have great military vehicles. Twenty years we have clean power for the world. This isn't online by twenty one hundred. This is online by the time. I can't even retire after we finish this. No, I still have to find another.
Job after this is done. Absolute absolutely configuration there looks just like fried Wart Winterberg's fusion design thermonuclear designs as well, with the ring on the inside. Basically there's a tube and then there's an outer ring on the outer side. As how they make those devices. A couple things I want to point out there. He says, we could have this in five years. That videos from like twenty fourteen, videos from twenty fourteen. What happened brough is twenty twenty five?
Now where did it go? The guy that literally that wasn't the guy. That guy was one of the main engineers. But Charles Chase is the guy that like oversaw the whole thing that convinced the xos. He said it was all successful. It says unlimited endurance, unlimited range. They're saying that fusion can cause your planing to stay in the air forever, forever, never have to come down ever again,
no emissions, no emissions whatsoever. Yeah, the crazy part about this is some point in the chats that this is actually just all real. Like that's the craziest part about all this is they're literally just real. It's just there, like there you go, there's your thing. And somebody asks, like, how how are they doing fusion? If fusion supposedly takes one hundred million degrees, how are those orbs doing fusion? How can they do compact fusion reactor like that while
everybody else is struggling. Well, one the theory says that it takes one hundred million degrees or even one billion degrees if you're doing a neutronic fusion, which is what they're doing, by the way, So how are they doing that? Clearly they're looking at the universe in a different way than everybody else's. If you just listen to heal You Infusion, who's also doing field reverse configuration. They're CXO or CEO.
In one of their publicly available YouTube video that says straight up the theory says that it should take like one hundred evs or whatever to cause fusion to happen in these a neutronic fusion reactions. Experimentally, they're seeing that ten times lower than that, ten times lower than that experimentally. The other difference, so difference first of all is theory versus actual experimentation. The second thing is that when we talk about the temperatures needed, we have to stop thinking
about it in terms of actual just temperature. That's not what they're doing. We're not just heating it up. We're pressurizing it. When we put pressure on something, it does heat up. It's the pressure that what causes fusion because we have to overcome the coolan barrier. It's not just making it hotter. That's that's why I think hot fusion is such a stupid way to think about it. That's not really not what's happening. We want to be thinking about.
As we're making a gravitational well, it's causing things to come ever together. That's probably the more accurate way to think about it from from the realistic perspective. But long story short, they are causing. With plasma, they cause things to come together, and with the orbs. The way you should imagine is you've got this plasma ball, but we've got two ends on it. So one end you got this air coming in getting iron eyes turned into plasma.
And then it's like a traffic jam. It's getting pushed through this squeeze from this little tube and the magnetic field lines are squeezing it together. So what does that do? Oh slows it down, It gets stuck those that matter coming in through the front. It's kind of getting stuck. And then when it's getting pressed together, boom, there you go. You've got fusion. That's exactly what we need to happen. So I think the big thing they figured out is
stop trying to like perfectly confine it. Let the plasma do what it wants to do. The plasma wants to shoot jets out, use them can control the jets, and then where that jets shoot through your plasma ball, use that as the fusion where you're gonna have the fusion occur. The last bit is this, how do you manage the heat? Because even if that okay, you are creating these pressures that are caused the infusion to occur, there should be thermal heat coming out of this thing. You have to
have really good thermal regulation. And so they figured out several ways to do this. I think it's Charles Chase or somebody else I found, I think has plasma actuators. Basically, it's like the shear of the plasma going over the
surface can be like turned into turn into electricity. And then the other thing you found is that there's like thermal electric generators they can use to So they've clearly figured out some additional technology to basically manage the heat that's coming out of that so that it stays at a very like room temperature level. Because when we leave those plasma balls, they were like the same temperature as like the air and the plane. They weren't like red hot or anything like that. So even if in the
middle there's this red hot thing happening. It must get cool by the time it gets to like the edge of the bubble. There you go, that's my best guess.
At that, thank you. Well.
It could also it could also be a geometric factor, you know, like the geometric field that they're generating actually do create that compression, and so you know, looking at it from that perspective, you can kind of understand why they would want to do it in the open air and not have that confinement.
And it might be able to work underwater too. I think those orbs are probably trans medium. I think that the place where they would work the lease spwell is actually in outer space, because I think they're actually using the air to preionize, to like add plasma to the reaction. And so I think they design those orbs to imagine they would be used in our atmosphere and maybe underwater as well if they can ionize the hydro you know,
the hydrogen out of the water and use that. But I think you need a different solution if you're going to go outer space, which maybe is that teleportation thing. And there's definitely a geometrical aspect, no question to all of this, which is the thing that I've been tiptoed around the most because a lot of people call it sacred geometry. I don't really care what the geometry is that allows it to work, but absolutely if you start digging into wormholes and nukes, you will find that they
both are heavily reliant on geometry. Heavily reliant on geometry. Inside of all, it's all about with the geometry of nukes that they're trying to figure out. If we are trying to ignite a fusion reaction, how do I get the waves to hit it at the exact right point in the way where it will cause that fusion reaction, that fusion bomb to go off. That's how they were thinking about it. So Fridert Winterberg has this polyhedral configuration,
geometric configuration, perfect equilateral triangle around your fusion detonation. I saw that in his textbo I'm going wow, looks just like the orbs in the videos. Like maybe even wonder second guess, like maybe the lithium in the plane was being used as a fusion bomb and those orbs are the triggers essentially to make it go off. I can't say for sure, but still possible. So sorry, I got
a little sidetracked there, but yeah, oh yeah, sorry. The other thing without the wormhole, there's also a polyhedral wormhole configuration. I can't believe that. I can't believe how many there's like five different kinds of wormholes. I thought there was just like one, but no, there's like all these different kinds. One of them is a spinning configuration, and you can mix the spinning configuration with a polyhedral configuration, which creates
a flat face surface. The benefit being if you need negative energy, this minimizes the amount of negative energy you need because you're not trying to move this huge region like this. You're just trying to make a flat surface. So what you're really doing is you're making like a mirror. And what they do is they stitch together two points.
So you say, okay, my negative energy, all I have to do is stitch together this flat face surface, and I'm going to connect here it over here, and then if I go through over here on this side right now, all of a sudden, I just appear over here. But it's only a temporary wormhole too, it's not a permanent portal. And this is one of the other things I found is that if you read the Non Locality Paper, a
defense intelligence reference document by John Kramer. He talks about we may not be able to make like permanent portals because this idea of time becomes really fuzzy, Like your flow of time might not be the same over here as it is over here. We just assume it is because we're all on Earth. Our flow of times all the same because we're all on the same planet. But if you were on a planet this a lot more
massive than our planet, your gravity would be different. Therefore your flow of time would be different compared to ourt flow of time. So if you imagine a portal between a super heavy planet and our planet, if you were looking through it, one side would look like they're moving in super speed and the other side would look like they're moving in slow mo. So that would be very
bizarre if you were to go through that. What happens when, like your your arm goes through it, and now your arm is moving in slow mo, but your rest of your bodies on the other side. Like this is the reason why I think even from like just some thinking about a perspective, it would start to get really weird on how that could work.
Right, But I think I think there's precedent to kind of look at these things as side effects of what they were originally trying to do, and so you could see how these type of side effects could have, you know, massive implications that nobody's even thought of yet.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, and I think the biggest one is like, are you going to break the time stream? You know, like if we can go back in time, that would be the biggest fear. My fears were somewhat alleviated reading the same John Kramer paper where he says that all the og physicists that figured out atom bombs and all this stuff, they believe that nature wasn't going to let us go back in time, that somehow like quantum entanglement would break down or something when you try
to do that, and they actually worked around it. They built a teleportation protocol just assuming that you can't go back in time with no retrocausality. They created an EPR experiment where they can control the length of the path of one of the two entangled photons, and they say, Okay, don't make it go back in time, just make it be exactly like instant transmission, because that way there's no retrocausality, like what's the fastest you can go without going back
in time? Instant like instant teleportation from one point to the next. Right that way, you're not there's no retro causality issue. So that's what they built. And that's crazy because that would mean that those if that's what's happening in the plane video, that would mean there's something at the destination. I mean they've created like here's point A and here's point B, and they've engineered the two points.
So actually that would mean it's more of like a warp gate or something like that, right in sci fi, like you have to have something at this point where it's like actually connecting those and then you flick it on and then you go through and then you appear at the other side.
I was Asha, and I was going to say, doesn't it somewhat have a basis in the WU experiment when she was looking at ultraweek electromagnetic forces and you know, they moved her over to the Manhattan Project. But also the new papers that have come out about neutrinos, how they're traveling back in time, so.
To speak, would that all be related to what you are.
I think in neutrinos as like the ether. I think that's the mainstream, like the relic neutrinos is the way they like. I think that when they're talk about the trees, they're talking about like sub atomic particles, everything below electrons and atoms. To me, like I think of as like when physicists are talking about it. I think of it as like a fuzzy concept, not something that's like super hard because we don't see that stuff. It's really more how we kind of conceptualize it. So that's how I
think about the neutrino aspect. Sorry, what was the other thing that you were saying?
Oh about the Wu experiment, how she capitalized on the week.
So people should check up my interview with doctor U from NASA, doctor you from NASA, who has a yuon theory, his unification theory that everything is just magnetism, because he has a really good experiment of how this is possible where he says, okay, you imagine your two atoms that are repelling each other, they don't want to come together. Now, just imagine that it's a magnet where it's got positive north and negative south. And this is the reason why
they're you know, two norths are gonna repel each other. Okay, but what happens if I flip this one over? Now the south is facing this way. Now they're going to come together. And he says, what if this is how it's really working. What if we have these extra degrees of freedom. Everything is just spinning, spinning little spheres and it seems like they can't come together. But all we have to do is just reorient it. If we just reorient it, now they'll boom come together. That would be
anyone who's research nuclear physics. You know, if you start to figure something like that out, you're going dark because now you've figured out how we can do fusion really easily, potentially, because once you figure out the mechanism for flipping around that that spin, changing manipulating that spin, now you can get rid of the cool on barrier. Essentially the thing hold space.
It reminds me of and when you look at the I guess, not the prototype but the actual mechanism of the guy from Locked Martin that you just showed with the film, If you look at it on Google, it almost looks like a mitochondria, you know, within the cell with power houses the cell right mitochondria itself somewhat has fusion itself by finding photons into you know, utilizing that as its currency. But what it also does is it also produces its own light, and it also produces its
own water. And with mitochondria, it can also produce waves to manipulate.
I guess it's like a preprint paper that.
Came out that was talking about how it can send out signals in a plasma formation or form.
So it showed that mechanism. Kid was shows like, oh my god, that looks like monochondria.
It's funny because they literally the two ways to stabilize plasma I saw one is axial rotation. The other one is a helical rotation. Helical meaning DNA right a spiral. And if you play this video that I was put out, I think you're going to enjoy this. What does plasma
do in outer space? In zero G? If you just put some dust into it so that you give it some substance and they just let the plasma do its own thing form structures, it begins to naturally form structures in zero G. Can you pull up this video here? I think it'll be a fun one to watch because it's going to connect to those ideas that you're talking about. I'm just gonna mute it because it might be a
copyright thing or whatever. I think the music's fine. But you can see here, look at the plasma form these structures. You can see these tendrils being formed from it. So why is this important? Because we're seeing these electrostatic forces, we're seeing those nuclear forces. That's why it's doing this. So whatever it's structuring into it has to be because of these forces. One of the cool things they're going to show here in a second is that avoid just
naturally forms like just a black circle. Void forms where the plasma just goes all around. It almost looks like a black hole. So this is a Russian experiment that these guys were testing. That's why we've got the subtitles here. And so yeah, because of their repulsion and attraction, they form this lattice structure. Look at that lattice structure right there. You can see the structure basically informed from it. And then they would see this empty void appear in the
middle of the lattice structure. Look at that void. How crazy is that? That's just zero G plasma floating around in zero G of natural void just forms. Look at that. That's insane. But the best part coming up here in a second is that the plasma also doesn't just organize like this where it almost looks like a squid or something creepy. It also forms to explain galaxies, and it also formed to explain there's your galaxy right there. Look
at that. Look at how fast the stars of the edges or these are just little particles of dust, But this explains, like we don't need dark matter. There's your answer right there. The edges are spinning almost as fast as the center because it's just plasma in space. And then the last part is the DNA. The plasma also forms double helix structures naturally in outer space as well, so it goes to show these double helix structures. It
must be a natural pheno. I look at that. This is the craziest to me looking at that, like that looks just like a double helix. So that's one of my favorite videos on plasma. When I'm trying to get people inve be like why is plasma cool? It's like, have you seen what it does in outer space when it's just floating around freely? Pretty cool?
It almost it almost gives a nod to vortex ma and some of those concepts of thirty six nine.
And then you look at secret.
Societies and how they kind of manipulate their sigils and what have you. And when you look at these sigils, these sigils almost manipulate what formations are made in biological structure. And I think biological structures, yes, they are intelligent themselves, but I think they are following what is it Nature follows the path of the these right, pick the most common. It's not a female. It's not going to pick the most complicated, you know anything. It's going to follow the
path of least resistance. And I think that is what we're seeing. Whether it is with the Fibonacci sequence or the golden ratio or plasma forming into helical structures, it's basically showing you what the plasma itself is doing.
I think, in my opinion, you're right, the vortex structures are connected all of this. And I'm not somebody I don't really care about the you know, imagery or numerology. And if that stuff connects, it connects right great for me. That's how I view it. I'm not saying it's I'm not discrediting it, but the vortex stuff people like that's in the science vortex motion related to it is like the way they view it is the same way where you'd view pulling the drain on your bathtub, so like
you pull the drain in your bathtub. In the vortex forms, it's extra dimensional vortex, right Like when we look at it on the surface, it just looks like a ring. But if you were to measure it, you could see this is actual vortex pulling through the medium. That's how you can look at the zero point energy when we're interacting with it as well. And in fact, it's gone so far as they're solving those vortex equations, solving Schrodinger's equations. And then you would ask, like what could you do
if you could solve that vortex? And what if you if you could solve that vortex in the ether that we can't physically see because it's extra dimensional, could you like actually control entanglement? Could you cause something to appear here and over here and be connected to one another?
I think the answer is yes, And I think that's how they figured out teleportation was first figure out how we can actually control the ethic control the medium, and now you can get things that look like magic to begin to happen.
Victor Schauberger was writing about that. He was another one of these Operation paper Clip type scientists who started over in Austria and then came to America, had all of his papers stolen and he was just kicked out. It's like you're fired. Now we're taking all this stuff. I'm real.
Yeah, in Tesla, there were a lot of guys that were probably like one hundred years before their time, honestly, and you think back going that far, those people had no chance. You were never going to convince people that were riding on horses and what have you that you know, you could do, you could levitate and things like that that they were saying, or that free energy was possible.
I mean, those people were living in you know, at the time, we were living in a world where there's you couldn't think of stuff that was esoteric like that. The idea that an object is a wave. I mean, that's even too far out there for most people right now twenty twenty five. So that's what makes it so difficult for people. And that's why I think that the best thing that we can do people ask me like, why are you not building something? Why are you not
doing whatever? It's like building something's not gonna help. People are already building it and they just get ignored, discredited
or whatever. It's like we have to demystify this. We have to like actually break it down for people and be like, okay, no, like actually matter is really a wave, so that means we can do you know, a matter wave and things like that and explain, like what can we actually do with this stuff talk about it in a normal way and not talk about it and laugh about it like they do on mainstream media when they talk about aliens and stuff like that, like, oh, you know,
it turns out we can make a replicator with this. That's my favorite one Star Trek replicator. People can get their minds around that. They go, wait, we can make a replicator. Doesn't that like free everything forever? Yes, exactly, unlimited abundance, the end of scarcity.
Well, even that double slid experiment they did a while back, they were going back and forth if it was a wave or a particle, wave or a particle And from my understanding, and like I said, I'm a Southern man, so I'm a little slow but from what I took from it was that they had come to the conclusion that it was.
Basically both that when you observe it, it's a wave.
When you observe it, it's almost like it has a consciousness, but when you are not observing it, it turns into a particle. So I thought that was pretty wild concept.
I mean, that's the reason why it's the most mysterious experiment in all of physics. I mean, my interpretation is that it's not a particle. Is that we give it a particle like quality to explain it in our reality. But the answer is it's always was a wave. And I think where Einstein was wrong. Einstein actually won his Nobel Prize in the photoelectric effects, which was we take a piece of metal and we shoot light at it, and the electrons are gonna get ripped off the metal.
So we know that that should happen from a physics perspective. What we did not expect is that if I increased the brightness of the light, we'd expect the electrons to get shot off faster, like that's just normal physic If I increased the intensity, there should be more energy. Therefore the electron should get shot off at a higher speed. But that didn't happen. The electrons were getting shot off the same speed even when I increased the brightness of
the light. But that doesn't make sense. If I push on a rock harder, the rock's going to move further, right, simple physics. So what was going on? So Einstein all these scientists came up with, how do we explain this? Well, there's another mystery. They figured out how to make the electrons shoot out faster, and it's not increasing the brightness. It's by changing the color of the light. What well, what is changing the color of the light? Changing the
color lights, changing the frequency of the light. So it's not increasing the brightness and the intensity. It's changing the wavelength of the light. Causes the electron either shoot at a higher or lower So Einstein thought, oh, well, there must be this magical quantum of light. We'll call it a photon. This quantum of light, this packet of light, and the packet size can change, and that's how it's interacting with that. I think that's retarded, no offense. I
think that's stupid. But because the answer is resonance. Once you told me that it's the color of the light changing the intensity. The answer is frequency. The answer is if I have this wave of going like this and this wave is exactly the same, there's gonna be a significant reaction. They're going to cancel each other out perfectly. But if one of them just going like this and the other one's going crazy, there's gonna be a different reaction.
Maybe there'll be very little reaction to that case. So resonance is the answer, which is sad because it would mean the Tesla is right about everything. Energy, frequency, vibration is all of it. And that would mean that Einstein, when he went down with this photon and particle interpretation like set us back really far, because that mindset is what's holding this back, that mindset that everything's a particle, because we really desperately want this to be a physical object.
But when you look at it and you boil it down, this isn't a physical This is mostly empty. This cup is mostly empty And the only reason why I didn't go through the cup is because the electrons in this cup repelled the electrons in my hand. That's the real way the world works. We just don't perceive it though.
Yes, exactly head So I don't know if you're trying to say something, but your mute. Sorry.
Super cold hydrogen fork creates a superfluid that can go through any object. So is it really going through the object or is it just not going along with the same sort of frequency.
Yeah, it came through the question right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, superfluid helium too. And then that's the thing is that when we bring some of these liquids to like near zero, they begin to act like a quantum We see quantum effects occur to act in one big unison. You can watch these Fara fluids or some of the fun things to watch. But this is the same idea as bose eins conesse. The Boseeisen connoise begins to act in unison
and we see these quantum effects occur. So when we are trying to cheat and create free energy, almost all the concepts are free energy manipulate quantum mechanics because on the quantum level, a pendulum never stops. At the quantum level, the pendulum is always going back and forth, always jiggling, which means there's infinite energy there. So if we can somehow scale that up, we can take that effect and
make it big. Macroscoptic there's your free energy. So a lot of the best designs that I reviewed for microchips andavy that's what they're doing. They're just like, oh, we found this crazy quantum effect that never stops, and now we're just trying to scale it up.
Absolutely.
Did anybody have any other questions or anything that you wanted to get in? I did have one thing, And maybe it might be too long, but I just think for our listeners might be interesting because I heard you mentioned it recently.
I think you're even mentioning Peter Tiel and so Sam Moltman kind of involved in this stuff. What's your thoughts on that. We have our opinion of Peter Teel too. It's probably the same thing as yours. I think you said the anti christ.
I mean he talks about it's weird, but I mean I don't hate the guy.
Oh yeah, yeah, I just trust him.
He's definitely got insider information, you know. So it's like, you know, you apply the same stuff that happens to the Congress. Congress is like Nancy Pelosi has the best stock market portfolio, Like there is like seventy percent gains or something like that. It's like, obviously she has inside information right, because she's connected to people that are in the know what have you. Same thing is true for Peter Teel. I mean that's why he's connected the CIA.
He's connected the people that know about this technology, and therefore they know where to invest, they know what to do. In some cases probably a backroom sweetheart handshake deals already in place. And this is how the CI controls these people too. If they tell you, oh, hey, go invest in heally infusion because field diverse configuration fusion is the secret and they're gonna be the one that's successful. You go invest all your money there. You will be a
trillionaire in the future. But here's the drawback. Now you got to do it, we say, right, we own you now. Pretty much. That's my opinion of Peter Thiel and all these other people. I think they're just complete phone us and I think they've basically just been elevated to this level. I hate that we give them status like they're better than other people, like their opinion means more than other people, because it doesn't doesn't at all. They were basically just
selected to be that thing. So I don't have a huge amount of respect for Peter Thiel and I also don't like what Palenteer is doing because I know that Pallenteer is basically just taking all the data that's available on the Internet about you, and they're making a profile of you. Doesn't even have to say your name, and they still know who you are. They don't. They probably know you better than you know you, but they just give it some dummy number. And this is how they
get around privacy violations. And then if the law enforcement, if you ever do something illegal, they'll just say, okay, it turns out that you know Astion Forbes was X one, two, three, four five. Now they have a whole profile for you. Now Palenteer just spits at the law enforcement. They know everything you've ever done in your whole life, and they have it all package. You're ready to go where you've ever lived, everything like that. For a lot of people
they would say that's a privacy issue, absolutely. I mean sure, But at the same time, we're not going backwards, man. People aren't using the Internet less and less. You know that's going to happen no matter what. My answer to that is, make the tools available for everybody, let the public use those tools, let the public know what's out there. About if I search for me what I find. That way I can control what I put out there and know what's available for people, including law enforcement.
Well, sir lisaid, you want to say something.
Yeah, just really a quick comment, just going back to the I guess the technology you were talking about with the missing plane when it disappeared in that the disinformation people, the people that are coming out saying that it's fake, you know, and what have you.
Would you think that some of these people that are.
Saying that is a way of distracting the rest of us from realizing the technology of Whammy and that you do have drones that that do have the ability scale down such a small remote sensing viewability so to speak, and that they are watching, they are surveilling, that they are collecting all this data in real time from these drones with that forget what the you called it the Groxstair, thank you?
Yeah, no, no, that was it.
It was just more of like a decoy, like, let's decoy that it's all fake and it's all aliens versus everybody kind of looking the Gorgon Stair is actually the bigger you know thing.
I don't like to say, like a lot of people want I only have there be like one answer. What have you like? I think aliens are definitely real. I mean I don't know if they're visiting us, but they're definitely aliens out there somewhere. In fact, we might be like their cousins, We might be aliens, who knows. I just think it's so much more impactful to our society a boy like free energy, teleportation, and then even the surveillance capabilities I had argue are more important than the
alien question. Aliens existing, Fine, that's not really a big thing for me. Sure you know they exist. If they're going to start, you know, interfering, then they should start paying taxes or whatever else everybody else has to do. But the surveillance cability, they definitely don't want people knowing about that surveillance capability. I mean that's really advanced, like
you're talking DVR capabilities. Because now you take what I said, just a second of them making a profile about you, and by the way, what am I gonna tell you they've already done, like we've got the videos on it can show them. They combine that now with the whammy, and now the AI is tracking every moving object on the screen, every moving object on the screen, every car, every plane, every person walking around is all being tracked
by the AI. Now, not only do they have a profile of you, they know where you've ever been, and they could be like, okay, pull up last week when ashtonal was walking his dog out of the park and then just pull that up and just follow you around reversing like that movie The Net with Sandra Bullock or Enemy at the State in the nineties. Like they've got that now, that's the stuff that's scary now. For now, I think that we're somewhat safe from that until the
zones are flying above the cities. But in the riots and things like that, the drones were flying above the cities and they were doing that. It's not like that data goes away. They've got that forever. And it's not like they were just limited to the one little area either they've got the one hundred square kilometers or something like that minimum. It's a whole city they're covering with these drones. So yeah, I definitely think there's a big
risk there. And then the next step is, Okay, they were doing this on a drone in twenty fourteen, that was eleven years ago. Have they figured out how to put it on the satellites or like Starlink satellites for example, and now do that same idea, but with satellites where they don't even have to have a drone. That's the next level. And I would be surprised if they don't have that.
Now. Well, as long as we don't know about it, then they can use it for infinite social engineering, you know, because it's not just about what they can get one person to do, is how can they link all this behavior together in a certain direction using you know, maybe household objects that are all connected to the Internet.
Absolutely everything that's a sensor is probably feeding into palanteer. I would look at it like that, you know. That's that's the way of the world. There's not going to be very much privacy in the future, for sure. I mean I don't I just don't know. If there's not much you I'm not saying it's a good or bathroom, just saying it is what it is. The best we can do is probably be aware of it, you know,
be aware of what they're doing on that front. That's why those videos were so important, is they exposed this whammy capability, this whammy capability that you can see where that's going to lead to, and it gives us some context to understand it, whereas before no one even knew what that was. It also tells us, man, they have a lot of surveillance when it comes to their covert operations, and it also shows that must be a covert operation. I mean that drone is one hundred square kilometers is big,
but that's in the middle of the ocean. They don't have drones everywhere on the planet, you know, So that meant they were ready for that thing to go down. They were ready for that to happen. They had two drones recording it from two different angles. So the scary part there is like, oh, man, we're doing some sketchy black operations with this technology, with this surveillance capability that I guarantee they have some legal justification for what they did.
But if that comes out to the public, screw your legal justification. Your legal justification is, oh, well, it killed ninety percent of innocent people, but we got the ten percent that we wanted, so it's okay. Public's not going to buy that.
You know, Hey, Ashen, I was taking a lot of notes that you was talking about. But one thing that caught my attention is that you said that we got this information is technology from somewhere. Now.
You mentioned the.
Word aliens a lot, and you mentioned, you know, you know, the craft that can go underwater and stuff like that. I'm really big on the Anona slash to Ananaki. I know if you've heard of them plenty of times, and a lot of people will say that they came from a planet named Nibert orbits are still in every thirty six hundred years. Well, their actual texts, their cuneiform texts, and their depictions actually say that they came from the
deaths of the sea. I've shared the resources for that so many different times, and it's just interesting that you said that their technology would probably be better underwater than it would be in space. And that makes more of an idea of there is something that has to do with our water that's giving us this disability. And a case in point is inky slash Ea. He came from the deaths of the seas to give humans technology and
information and so on and so forth. So you know, I wonder you know, because you said that nobody has ever been able to debunk you and say that that your information is wrong. And you've been able to counter everything that they've said that they brought to you in so many different way. I'm that kind of that way with when it comes to ancient texts. If they said that the Sumerian says something, I want to see where they got that information from, so I can be just
as accurate as they are. And I'm telling you everything that I keep hearing right now is something from the Deaths of the Seas has given us information that we possibly are trying to figure out on the easy basis up here.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not an expert on anaky, I'm familiar with the idea, but I do like it because I think that if there is a civilization hiding on this planet, it's definitely underwater. I mean that's the place you would hide for sure. With this kind of technology being having a civilization underwater is no problem either. I mean, you can just make a bubble and you can. You have alchemy, you have transmutation, you have everything you need.
You can make a society anywhere you want. So I do like that idea, and I'm very intrigued by the lore around, like underwater UFO bases and things like that, which would surprise me if we do find something down there.
And I also like the idea of like we are the alien or we were put here by the aliens or something like that, because that's one of the only ways where it can kind of make sense where there's this hyper advanced technology that doesn't seem like we found it organically, where it seems like there was something happening to it. And also just just this idea of like, if you look at this planet, out of all the different species that exist on this planet, billions of species,
what's the one that sticks out? Oh, it's us. We stick out like a sore thumb on this planet. We've like reshaped the planet. We have the one of the biggest populations if you don't include insects, right, Like, we're the ones that stick out the most. We're the ones
that are like the alien species on this planet. So the uninoccupying I think is really interesting and also because of how it connects to ancient history and you know whether or not, like the pyramids and stuff like that are really as young as they say they are or potentially maybe a lot older, or that there was you know,
major flooding and things that coincide with the Bible. I think a lot of those allow for this option where we forgot our history, like something happened and we forgot who we really were, Like maybe we were more advanced or advanced in more in different ways in the past, more than we think now. All of those I think are just interesting ideas that I think are very possible to be real.
Thank you. Don't do anybody else have anything else they wanted to ask or bring up before we wrap it up? Okay, all right, a great interview.
Yeah, hell yeah, my brain is scrambled, your job ashed, and yeah, yeah it's fun.
You guys are fun. That was cool. Yeah, and I'm glad. I'm glad you guys aren't afraid of Like I mean, if you want to ask me something about debunks and things like that too, you know. I just I like to answer any questions that are out there, and I'm not here to tell you like you know you're saying, you know you've debunked all the demustle. But yeah, I feel like I've given adequate explanations for all the debunks that are out there. And I happen to know the
videos are real. But I understand why people don't believe it. I mean, I'm somebody myself that even if you go back like ten years ago, I would add a completely different mindset of everything going on in the world. So I look at it more of like everybody's kind of on their own journey of discovery for the most part. Yeah, and I'm just trying to like push it along as best as I can for the people that are ready, you know.
Doing a great job. I think, thank you, sir.
Before we wrap it up, I'll have the other people here just plug their shows again and Lisa, what is going on? They cult reject mad scientists.
Thank you so much.
Oh sorry, Nick, I'll just go jump to tell Ashton that I thought this was an amazing presentation. I apologize, Nick, that's amazing. I've heard, I've heard of you, I've listened to a little bit of you. It was a very candid interview. I thank you for answering all our different questions, and you left with like Tylone was saying, I took so many notes, You've left so many seeds to kind of launch from. Thank you again, and thank you fellow rejects for having me on and letting me interrupt again
as usual. The only thing I like to plug is a cult Research Institute org We have a couple of prejects that contribute to that website in literary form. If you'd like to check us out a cult research institut John Orgon, if you'd like to get a hold of me through Twitter. Soalise Lisa is the best place.
Thank you, Thank you very much, and we got the Hell's Giant.
Well. I don't want to leave the audience not having a complete or near complete list of authors that you would recommend for them to read up on so that they can get on the same level of knowledge that you have right now. So if you could give the people a quick list or you know, maybe a long list of the authors you've read that have led you here, that would be perfect.
I don't really have a list ready, but I mean start with Hal put Off, Tom Bearden, Eric W. Davis. Those are probably the first three to start with, the reason being that help put Off and Eric Davis are both alive still. Eric Davis is testifying at these UFO whistleblower conferences, but he's written papers on teleportation for the Air Force. I mean, the disconnect is intane. So that's where I would start with those guys papers, the ones and hal Putoffs when I mentioned earlier, gravity is a
zero point fluctuation force. And even if you're somebody that's not deep in physics, okay, we'll have the AI interpret it for you and explain it to you in a way that you can understand, you know, And that's that's where you start. Nobody starts understanding everything perfectly right away. So those are probably the first three that I would start with, and then from there, I would say move
into the durds, the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents. Eric Davis wrote six of them actually, and how Putoff wrote one as well, And that's where you'll begin to find some of these other engineers and scientists like John Kramer and Fred wert Winnerberg that I mentioned, including Paul SiZ Is another guy that I liked that wrote the papers on megneto hydrodynamics for propulsion. I think he wrote the a neutronic propulsion fusion propulsion paper too. So all these concepts
are all peer reviewed, signed to be papers. They've been written by you know, PhDs and black project engineers that are out there. So one more time, the durd's Defense Intelligence Reference Documents, they were declined assified slash like released via Foya back in like twenty seventeen, but they were the most popular scientific papers on the Pentagon's like secret air Gap server for a number of years before that.
So that's where I recommend checking those out. Everything you see in those papers is real.
Nice good question, Lis. Did you want to plug your show Headless?
Oh?
Yeah, you can find my show on Thursday nights. We look at your mail. If it has something to do with a paranormal or an interesting dream that you've had or stuff like that, you can find me on YouTube and uh yeah, so check out the Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot.
Com if you have those stories. Thank you awesome, Thank you very much. And Sarah, what is going on? I will?
I'm good.
That was an excellent presentation and I like that it was put in a way that I could mostly understand it. I'm also from the South, some little slow, like you said, I just want to plug the Institute for Natural Philosophy as well as our magazine. You can see that at Institute for Naturalphilosophy dot org. And I would also like to plug our podcast Universe Unveiled.
Awesome, Thank you very much.
Man Tyron, Yeah, that was an excellent presentation. I took a lot of notes, so I'm gonna be hitting you up in the future. Everything you can find on me is on my westside rebirth of theWord dot com. I love ancient history, I love religion, I love your foes, I love orbs. I actually have a video of an ORB from my greencam that I'll show you. I'll send it to you whatnot.
But yeah, this is.
Definitely amazing everybody. I appreciate everybody for letting me be here. Nick, thanks for letting me be here man.
Of course, of course, no, thank you for joining us. And let's been not at least Doc what is going on, sir? Everybody know where they can find with me?
Not much many, I'm ninety three percent sure. But He's connected a lot of dots from me today and gave me some puzzle pieces to contemplate on. So thank you for your time and research. And I really enjoyed myself today. But Prometheus Lynn's podcast, Prometheus lnspodcast dot com. Anywhere find content is consumed, you can find me there and be sure to go to Amazon help a Whole Country boy out and check out the epic of Esyle birth right and.
Seed War, I appreciate it.
Thank you very much. Doch I always appreciate you here.
And finally, Astin, I'm pretty sure everybody knows who you are already, but if they don't, please let them know where they can find all your amazing work and anything again, you want to promote a suggest.
Yeah, check me out at just x Ashton all social media's guys YouTube. You can find all my stuff there. X very active on accent check out and everybody else's content that was on this awesome panel. Guys, thank you for having me, No, no, for sure, thank you.
Definitely go check out his Twitter. That man is on fire, so yeah, definitely check it out. And again, thank you all for making the show. I really appreciate you all putting the time aside and coming on. I really had some awesome questions and thank you all and everybody in the chat. There was just too many for me to even put it up on the screen anymore, but thank you everybody that was here.
It was a great time.
And that is the end of another Recult Rejects and until the next one, Everybody'll be well Later
