Order of The Solar Temple with Austin Picard Part 2

You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen? What help.

You know in various ways. But but also you would be given this opportunity to witness these epiphanies from the ascended masters uh and and uh and the visions right that apparently would would be provided to to the initiates or the initiated members, right and and apparently this is when the expert in the production of holographic images, and Antonio Dutois came into this story because he was providing the obviously behind the curtain and apparently I believe it

Right. It's very interesting because it turns out that.

Basically as she continues to age, she essentially just and ages out of the cult in a way and it's like this is absolutely ridiculous, like I am not a part of this, right and uh and as she leaves, she she kind of like collaborates with her brother and and essentially kind of blows the whistle on the inderworkings of of this sort of elaborate scheme of providing these holographic images that that and are supposed to to you know, obviously be this this ascended Master.

That's that's you know, sort.

Of providing you with with a potential vision, which I think was also a part of psychedelics that you know that we're being provided. So I don't know you consider all of that with with sort of like the decorpoate what is it decorporealizing right of of of the the

Yeah, and it's do you think it's like part belief system, part part of this hypnotic program that they're programming with this.

Antie exactly because the anti cult network was heavily involved in this exact moment, and essentially the European anti cult network was basically they firmly established themselves off of the back of especially the ots, which I found very interesting, and basically started issuing these these kind of proclamations against these new ag esoteric organizations and things of that nature, which I found interesting because all of the anti cult network seems to directly tie into a lot of m

Far as I think, you're pointing out some great things here, because once these things fail and they get rolled up, then they have to come up with a new program. So the anti cult network you were just describing, you know, Scientology sues the largest organization. They're the one that's really orchestrating all that stuff, the Cult Awareness Network. They sue them out of existence Serra nineteen ninety four, right around the same times, and then they get all their assets.

Man, there's so many different parallels in my mind as well to Scientology and in many ways to the Ota doctrine as well, and the way they kind of function.

You know, it's it's just like that is what struck me. Clearly.

They were much more of of, you know, a secret society than even a cult group in my mind, Like it's kind of how they functioned, and they were sort of just like, what is it? The uh Neo Templar Renaissance is essentially what they claimed that Joseph de Maambro was basically you know, responsible.

For and always a Joseph Right.

Funny.

But yeah, I'm just I'm fascinated by all of this because this kid, Emmanuel right, who's considered the cosmic child, and uh an Avatar right, and and it does like their aim was was sex magic.

You know, just obviously you're you're always it always is. It's crazy, but.

I find it like interesting too.

You mentioned about the marriages, Like the month before JFK died, Jackie goes on Onnassas's yacht, pissed off because her baby passed away and he didn't want to come and deal with it. And so then all of a sudden, yeah, yeah, twice twice he did this.

To her twice.

Oh my god.

Her sister was dating on Nassas and she talks her into getting on this yacht, which he then tells her, you better get off that yacht if you have to swim. And I'm curious, like if they did this drugging to her and made her believe a that her husband's going to die, which hello, and b that you know she actually was truly in love with Onassis because he mentioned on the yacht to his help, which is documented that that will be my next wife.

That is crazy.

I did not know that Gabor a nice diamond bracelet on her exit out and her sister that was the girl got like some little trinket.

Wow.

Someone put in the comments that Emmanuel means God with us in Biblical God.

Is God is with us. I honestly.

I thought the based on like what ancient Aliens said, that the little girl Emmanuel was possessed by an alien or something like that. Of course they went with that direction, but it sounds like before we started recording that you

I would argue that three letter agency may in factor be the s OC.

All right, then, so there you go.

It makes sense to me. But I mean you're a spot on there, Julia, for sure. Oh yeah, everything that you just said I entirely agree with.

Absolutely.

It's something that I just at a certain point when you it's just I do not believe in coincidence any longer, right, Like it's just been driven out of me. There's no there's no way in hell at this point at that again, at this level of uh and of research right where it just it's it becomes undeniable where you have like these these crazy ass political mafia Gladio ties to to Gurre.

And and Demembro, where you had.

Like basically there was even a psychiatrist who who made this this support of this claim that the the affair had a political mafia tie, citing possible links between Jorre and members of Gladio, which clearly that comes in the form of Julian Rigez in many ways, which is very interesting story that that specifically ties in, uh, you know,

Like he's a great resource.

By the way, every time I stumble upon some connection that he's he's provided like the at least a resource as far as an investigative accountant.

He tends to take.

A direction that appeals directly to, you know, my the way that I kind of view the world in general. But as far as just uh, you know, the international covert intelligence apparatus.

That seems to be very well entrenched. But but he basically we did a great job when I ran Contra and O. J. Simpson stuff too there.

Oh hell yeah, yep, yeah, it gets it gets nuts because you know, they basically were claiming that through destroying the chalets where the deaths had all taken place, basically the evidence had been burned and and obviously that was a key component of what they were hoping to attempt to to cover up was was clearly they but so found dead and in the Vercors though Wash was apparently an agent of the intelligence service that was close to Pascal.

And uh so there there.

Was a presentation of of these sources of uh that apparently an agent of the Central Directorate of the Order Police was a mole who had infiltrated the Order and that so this this is a it's very interesting because apparently you have a combination here of international arms smuggling, right the presence of BCCI obviously, which which is just completely a CIA cut out, and then you have these Canadian journalists that were followers of the mambro and Jeor

Adding bodies to the pile because they're trying to cut tie off all these loose ends for these covert operations that are being conducted.

All over the world. That's what bo Gritz said happened at Jonestown. He said, I wouldn't be surprised at all. This is what green bereys told me. Who flew in on the site were told to fire on site from

Berkeley as a as a fake professor to set up.

A pipeline too to an institution in California that that happens to house.

Uh right.

Uh, well, first of all, it was outed by Congressman Leo Ryan as being a key uh facility for m

Right.

But still it's insane that Colston Westbrook set up that pipeline that Patty Hurst wound up in visiting Donald sink you to freeze before she was ever kidnapped, right at that specific facility where MK Ultra experiments were being conducted. It's just the Manson girls who were in that situation as well. So you look at the what was it, the hydra, the cobra of the s LA, the symbol of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

Yeah, and it's just like, well, you're describing.

All these innate plans and details and stuff right when you do a great job at also but I think the one thing they consider was you're describing how quickly these folks operate. Is when they go into these operations, they have contingency plans, they have plans to roll the things up, and they have plans to move forward. So in the event these things do happen, these things are

I'm just trying to you know, hammer him.

The point you're making there is these things are well developed, well established, and when when things ship does with the fan, they have a number of different contingency plans in which the deal with things. So which is how you're describing out quickly these things roll up and operate continuously.

Oh so you're saying like this is the French jonestown pretty much?

She feels like it, But of course I mean it's any different, right, yeah, I mean yeah.

The geographical designation of the group itself was obviously primarily France, Switzerland, and then what French Quebec Canada, right and.

Like that to me French Guyana right, yeah, it's yeah, and right on the border by the way, right, and which is very interesting because of the covert operations that they would launch from that area.

It's clearly it was a black site.

Man, what you're dealing with a Belgian Belgian mercenary, right, We're dealing with the French Belgian mercenary fella.

Right exactly. And that's what network.

Right, like an Operation forty or a few experierum kind of network or the part of the military assistance command, right, that of Bill Colby, right, because Bill Golby is involved in all the business relative.

To P two as well, right exactly. And you can ship what am I talking about?

Bill Colby setup Gladio and during Sun testified against Orenthal J Simpson just saying.

During Operation Condor, I just realized that they're just they're just naming this based on the geographical representation of the of this this bird, right, Phoenix, Uh, Condor. You have these various uh you know, manifestations of the it's the.

Same project, right.

And what I realized that what was happening with Condor is that they had this joint intelligence operation that they were all conducting. I forget the location where they all had the meeting, uh to to effectively, you know, just they established the agenda in a very you know, uh strategic and uh you know, they had a hierarchy of

He was always good to me. Good. Yeah, he's so relaxed.

The way you present stuff is like, all right, I feel like I'm just talking to like one of my friends.

About you know what I mean.

Man.

He he was our very first producer for Already Dead when Jose and I started, because I had gotten to know Adam just from he invited me on when they were still doing I think I was actually the very last episode they ever did, which I was.

Like, Man, that makes me sad, you know.

But at the same time they said as much while while they introduced me and stuff. But I think he's just living that life, you know, as far as his core principles, he's actually exercising them as a homesteader.

Like it's beautiful to see.

I think he got his purple belt in jiu jitsu by the time he was about to leave the show, and he's like, man, I gotta leave because my jiu jitsu class. And I think it just was kind of he was, you know, opting out at that point.

And I get it at a certain level, but I live in a man down by the river. So sometimes you just got to do these things in life, exactly, buddy, Yeah, I very much admire it.

But yeah, anyway, to say the least that he's the one who introduced me to Colonia Dignidad because he had brought me on. We just were talking about all different you know, things that we've covered, and and jonestown of course came up and and then I was introduced to Colonia Dignidad. I had no idea that that that existed. And and you know.

Paul Schaeffer, the pedophile s S officer who.

Fled, who fled, and and and uh with all these children, you know, and while and then he uh he uh he resurfaces in Chile and and he he he creates this this Nazi safe haven and in the Chile and jungle. And and that, by the way, still exists this day. I forget the name of it now, but it's been renamed. But it basically was a Nazi enclave in in Chile during the Pinochet and right during these massive uh it.

Was the right exactly.

So they were sending political prisoners to Colonia Dignidad to get tortured and ship and they had underground bunkers. They had a whole weapons uh arsenal that they were manufacturing weapons. It had an air strip where apparently what's his name, Joseph Mangela stayed in Colonia Dignidad for a time. They said he would come and visit and that this was a way for them to essentially uh you know, uh of a skirt any sort of and circumvent any sort of real like uh, you know, customs or anything of

And I learned about it through a spook, So isn't that weird? Oh my god, Peter lavend I learned about.

Bringing up barrel and who all went and visited Bariloch each president except for few, so.

Man, and you know, there's a there was a file they found in Paul Schaeffer's archives that was a JFK file and had bullets that matched the gun allegedly, And it's just so crazy that that. And by the way, there's a connection there to the Lettlea assassination Eva in d C, who is a diplomat that was just killed in the car bomb, and and that was apparently.

Bomb I took I took I took Nick by that site on our d C tour. When I took Nick on a d C too, I took him out of that's right, that's right by. That's right by the Society Cincinnati headquarters. It's literally right there.

It's connected to the Solar Tip.

The bombing, Yeah, that bombing is connected to the It's connected to the Colonia Dignidad, right, which, yeah, the Nazi in Chile.

I know, I'm sorry I jumped around.

Do you recall when Peter Lavenda went down there and invaded that place and created an international incident.

Invaded He definitely invaded that place, right, He was like, Oh, I was just a young dude.

It was just going places and looking at things. He worked for the software company at the time. It was also employed his buddy John Podesta. Isn't it weird that both Thelamites, decades later, we're doing all this alien stuff together when they started out together doing that.

My God, Austin, something just really quick. I don't know how much time we're going to go on for, but I just wanted to ask Austin about the Third Incident really quick before we wrap, Like the Solar Temple because in my opinion, it's the weirdest one out of all three.

I think it's the weirdest one.

Right, Yeah, I think that, you know, it's it definitely, it's it's super interesting as far as each each individual uh you know, uh mass death that occurred, it was it was definitely you know, just to me, each and every one of them seemed to to provide another window into the real actual motivation you know that was playing out here, in which I believe was just that. Again, I think that this organization itself was entirely.

Just kind of overexposed.

And I think the criminal investigations that being conducted into Duret and Demembro himself for for effectively, you know, he he had uh you had members of the cult who were leaving and they were apparently, you know, filing lawsuits against Demambro for apparently you know, gaining control of major portions of their private property and things of that nature, as in sort of this this way of convincing them, you know, to hand over their assets in a strange way.

But they found all these.

Handbags, suitcases, clothes, you know, the switch Swiss, French and Canadian passports. So obviously for the organization, I think again it kind of like plays out that that they were obviously you know, facilitating a lot of these uh you know, weapons sales and things of that nature.

And and and.

That definitely seems to have provided many of these in the financial assets of the organization itself and how they were kind of utilizing uh, the enterprise.

But there were all these traces.

Of blood on the floor and and uh and the false store right that that basically is what led them to as far as the traces of blood led them to the false dore uh and in the wall right to the other room, which is this is what I thought was worth noting. It's draped with crimson satin wall coverings as you mentioned before, right as far as just the way the actual room looked, and it was adorned

Their heads were pointing outwards. Inside the circle was a golden chalice on an altar, and you had these very tall mirrors that filled the room.

And so you had a.

Small temple, a smaller temple where like three bodies or more we're lying as well. And this twenty third corpse was found in a separate room at the foot of a table.

But some of the.

Bodies had plastic bags over their heads and some were

Right, you have fires break out. I think that's a great point you make there by May real quick y Alston. That's a great point you make where some I think some of these folks they think they're doing a ritual and then you know, I think it goes wrong with them, just like when they say, like with all these false flags and they're doing an exercise and suddenly it goes live, you know what I mean.

It's kind of the same kind of concept. I think within this ritual sack.

I don't think all these people are signing up for ritual sacrifices, you know what I mean. No, they're being dupe. They're being duped is what I'm getting. And they're being told it's some sort of ritual they're participating in. Then whoops, the days we.

Right.

No, Definitely that brings up a good question, a question that I had earlier kind of with the first one. I'm not trying to like take away from the this third one, but uh, you know.

I promise you I'll talk about it, Julia, Sorry, Nick, go ahead.

Just even like looking at how you think blackmail and rich people could there really have been nothing, no outcome from the sex magic except for blackmail.

Yeah, it is, like I think that's part of it, right, it's it's the whole. I call it the whole hog effective. They also just called the whole.

So there.

I just don't want folks to get you know, that's a great point because folks position they're doing all of the things, right, I.

Think you gotta have sex to make this work. They'll do it.

They had to charge, Yeah, whatever, for sure, I think it's a great year.

That's definitely part of it. Yeah, now go back.

I just when you when you get into the third event in ninety seven, right, it's I think it was March of ninety seven is when it actually occurred.

But yeah, this is where you.

Have you know, they burned down the house with them inside, which clearly is another example of just entirely destroying evidence. I think was a major component of what they were attempting to achieve here. And it goes without saying, honestly, as far as the incendiary devices that were all strategically placed, and and and as the investigators found who were honest in the beginning of the the uh, you know, original

Man ask question.

And I do apologize Julia, because I think you were you were correct. What was the date on this sort of the March.

Laws in March March twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, was this was this was the same date as the Heaven's Gate. My god, that's what I thought.

There was something with the solar temper escape being on the same fucking yeah, you you.

Are recommend I was conflated earlier with nineteen ninety four and stuff. Maybe I got lost in an ornithology. Simpson on the warm.

Holder really good because it was the September ninety four when the more and highest Cherry Surry and Alvant fires right broke out, and and.

We're talking the end of these activities, and that they that is the precise same date as Heaven's Gate.

So these maybe these folks. Maybe they got it right.

On Haley's comment, well, that's why I said, there's maybe.

We're the ones who are wrong, Julia. They're all having a good time right now and Haley.

Yeah, maybe.

Send it up my ass.

I mean, there's no coincidence though that those two things happened and they had such SI sure.

But anyways, go ahead.

Can I make one point on all that similarities and all these other things? And I don't and I don't want to cutch you off there, Austin, but I do want to whenever you're done, I would like to bring it all back my comments on the society and Operation pack On and how it connects to all this stuff. I would like to because it doesn't sound like it should right with all the French stuff, right, but like it literally does.

It literally does, dude.

I'm very interested now because as much as I'm aware of pat Con just essentially being the right wing version of Cointel pro, you know, it's it's it's obviously you know. And also I think it's very interesting that the timing of it all right, the total information awareness objectives that were playing out the continuity of government that's leading into

The same days as the Heaven's Gate situations popping off in San Diego. That's fast Adam home at a home connected to the nine to eleven, uh folks an eleven terrorists.

Jesus bad? I uh, you know what's hilarious.

I actually they were like, I gotta get on some of this alien action here, you know, before I A.

I have a note card that I pulled up.

All right, you can't read it, but it says ots notes, and it's just a little bit.

It's like four notes that I had written down.

That's that's a lot of that's a lot of words there though, that's some good notes.

It's just one little note. If you looked at my space, I look like a psychopath. I got zero notes. So well, I will say that I just have to because I will.

I just too too many details running around in my mind that I I and I'm too skitz o brained where I just uh obviously we we uh we call the homies on already dead right the audience skits O bros.

We're basically the Skitzo Bros. But so that is very accurate.

I will say, as far as the way my mind works, I can't help myself.

It has to. I think it's it's the.

Right the Charlie meme, you know, the Pepe Sylvia, you know what I.

Mean, the arms and stuff.

Exactly from It's always sunny and that that is effectively I think how your mind has to function in a way in order to kind of even breach these subjects and and and in an objective way to where you're at least pursuing uh some legitimate uh let's say just at the very least. I'm always attempting, as I said in the beginning of this, to reinforce and corroborate as much evidence as possible, because I don't want to sit here and and and make allegations if they're if they're

Know, which which clearly was occurring. And like, if you know, is he wrapping some Vatican Bank interest? What do you if I made just ask him, what do you think they're Vatican Bank interts with this guy?

Or was he doing mafia stuff? What's he doing?

I think the fact that he has tied so directly into and yeah, I do think that that you have again the unholy Alliance playing out there. You go, Gladio, like you really do have that playing out here? And and so I think that he's representing someone's interest.

Right, you got you got the other fellows doing you know, like I said, he's got a lot of society cincin na stuff going on around him. So and then you got this guy represents some some other interests like the MOB or the Vatican, right or you know something.

And you know what is P two, I mean what is less circle? Like they are directly affiliated with the Vatican. And I think that you know, the Vatican Bank finances these organizations, you know, and that's where they washed a lot of the money too, right, And I didn't realize that with what was what's her name?

Oh ship No, No, oh my god, she's a world banker, talks about laundering, washing and stuff, right, right, but uh, mother Teresa.

Right, oh, affiliated, she's directly affiliated with child sex trafficking and laundering the profits through the Vatican Bank, which I didn't realize. Yeah, Mother Teresa directly affiliated with George Bush Sr. And and even had an an orphanage connection to Hillary Clinton. And I didn't realize this, But that makes a lot more sense considering the Laura Silsby stuff and and you know, obviously just the Haitian children scandal. And and what it's

The ugliness of her inside definitely matches the ugliness of her outside. My the tree so looks like a fucking scraggly ass cigarette.

But and there is no way to look like that. But think about it.

It's like it's like, there's all the crimes that she's committed against children, it's all over her fucking face. Look at her, look at it. She looks like a demon hag in a fucking nuns outfit.

And consider what she represents right now.

That is a perfect example of the inverted moral landscape.

Right like this, No shit, what in the hell you know that?

This is supposed to be the bright and shining beacon of right and just like not mine.

No, she looks like a fucking wrinkled asshole. And I can't believe. It's like the more you look into her, it's like, of course you know she oh, mother tree, So mother tree.

Fuck you.

I cannot believe it's becoming a conspiracy theorist. You have to understand, you cannot have any idols, nobody, not music, not movies, not politically nothing, every single person that you think, oh, well, maybe they're a good guy.

Oh maybe they are. No, they're not.

They probably eating fuck kids or they fucking do some kind of a like literally, I'm sorry, I just after reading Program to Kill and and looking into Dave McGowan's work, it's like you have nothing.

Laurel King, You're not wrong, Julie, that's damn sure. It's it's a dark world.

I mean, the escellent Institute, right, just like Tavistock gone West. I mean that's really what happened in a way, right, and and uh, it's just like all these celebrity personalities are clearly manufactured and and uh if many of them are entirely manufactured out of whole cloth and then kind of like given this this uh this you know, disingenuous rise right to this level of prominence.

That is so clearly uh as far as just like they.

Were put on the path by the permanent establishment and and are are given uh, the these these very it's just you're you're given that privileged position of of you get all these opportunities come your way, right, because it's it's entirely a corrupt obviously, uh deliberately a corrupt system. You know, that's that's intentionally creating these influencing operations as far as that's what they become, right, they become these sort of.

There is a Laurel Canyon of podcasting too. I know people like to skirt around that.

But partly, boy, I'd like to talk.

I like to talk about Pat con anciently and cargo cults in the society of Cincinnative made real quick.

Definitely, But what do you think of Sean Ryan? What do you think of it?

Like, I have a lot of thoughts on a lot of those subjects. I just I just understand that the amount of dust that gets spun up when when these things get.

I just think that the alternative media landscape is very much oversaturated with what seemed to be you know, intelligence assets put into positions strategically to influence the fleeing masses from the death of the mainstream media, who are.

Being former Navy seals and suddenly pop up with a full blown studio and all the guests that Joe Rogan is.

Let me tell you something for the last and he vouch because I said this month ago I said, you watch, Joe Rogan is going to start talking about coming a Christian and did da da da da, And I went on and on, and I said, there's this disingenuine Christian conspiracy podcaster movement. And just recently my husband brought this to my attention. Joe Rogan's been talking about going to church and doing and I said, I fucking told all

With a book, you take it and you make.

It like consumable podcast style for people to just have like conversations about it, and I think it makes it more easily digestible. And that's why a lot of these weird subjects are coming back to the forefront after all these years, is because podcasters are making like podcast versions

Nobody's doing that.

To your point, it's so important to have all it's going to stand out different for you, for Nick, for me, for JJ, for Austin.

I think you're right. I think this is so critical.

Yeah, I mean they will listen to a podcast, but they won't read the book. Right. How many times have I said in podcasts, read this book, you should read this book. Nobody's going to read the book.

They just want to They just want to talk about.

It, you know what I mean?

Hear me talk about this to me?

Yeah, read like the summarise, you know, I mean my understanding what you're describing.

I just don't read ship. No.

But I think that most of us have been conditioned to to into this sort of you know, one for one, the attention span has been deliberately and intentionally you know, shortened for this purpose. And I think that's in order to effectively place you in the trap of the ideological prison.

The I mean, I'm a nineties kid, and I remember like so looking forward to this stupid fucking book fair and like actually getting books and shit, and like asking my mom for money to like get books at the stupid fucking book fair. Like I think I'm the nineties kids are like the last generation of kids who were made to read in school and like you would have homework of reading this book and like coming back and

Yeah.

I've had people on the show that that's what they do for podcasting, is preview books.

Yeah, I mean it's important, I think, oh yeah, But anyways, I didn't want a tangent too far. I just wanted to say I I do think that the Solar Temple is one of the subjects among many that have been documented throughout time. But it's just coming to the forefront now because people don't go searching for this information. They're interested in reading stuff. They're not interested in, you know, diving deep into weird rabbit holes about stuff like that.

So right, you know it, no attention to the man behind.

The curtain, right right, right, It's just two weird French dudes who had a bug up the pass right, who murdered a bunch of people underground tunnels like that.

That's what they want you to believe.

Is they just set a bunch of random idiots on fire, and it's like, well, yeah, no.

The same with Heaven's Gate, the same with a lot of these colds.

They want you to believe it's a lone nuh right who starts a cult and murders everybody and that's just the end of the story.

There, She wrote, I got so many ideas on Heaven's Gate.

I mean, you want to talk about mind control they call themselves, Guinea and pig.

Yes, I know they did.

They I'm always talking about.

Doling tea, all these weird fucking names.

Yeah, the inmental hospital, right, yeah it is yeah, yeah, people, finy nettles.

Yeah, I fucking know all about the heaven skate assholes. And in the end, it's more cult ritualism. Shave your head, become androgynists, castraight yourself and now and now poison yourself. Wear Nikes, you know, gives a whole new meaning to just do it.

Okay, how much.

How much you think Nike paid again on that side be a good marketing? I mean, come on, bad pr Everyone still talks about them black Nikes.

I got my own pair, and I've talked about the Nikes before, Okay, the same way, the same way that they promoted the fucking Nikes and Forrest Gump the running shoes. Nike shows up on all kinds of weird places. If you if you're really looking for it, is.

That what you're talking about?

Yeah, well, just saying just saying Solar Temple did not get off the hook for me as just being like two fucking weird French dudes that set a bunch of people on fire.

It just it cannot be that simple.

Yeah, there's no way in my opinion.

And there was a letter, by the way, that was clearly it was written after the fact. It was supposed to provide a motivation, a motivating factor for the murders, right, that was that was discovered, And it's really strange it essentially.

That's coming from Joseph Dimambro.

This is anonymous, anonymous letters sent to Swiss newspapers, supposedly from the cult. Right, this is the claim, yes is it's it's uh see this.

This is another thing that makes me think this is all just set up bullshit, because it's like they gotta make this scary letter like you know, oh, I'm peeing my panties now. They sent this fucking letter about so long farewell avdter saying we're burning ourselves.

Like this doesn't make any sense to me.

They have to have like some scary letter that they send like we did this to ourselves and look at and then you really look into the forensic medications and what they got poisoned and shot in the head and okay, who wrote the letter? Which one wrote the letter? Because they were all murdered.

Exactly I mean, and that that, you know, begs the question why are all these as far as it at the very least, it in a way explains the fact, right that you had all these police raids that occurred in these on these apartments in Geneva after after this took place, and apparently this there was a second letter, right, that was, they were both sent the same time, but this second letter happened to denounce the way in which the Coultists transition from life right had taken place and

Before, had failed to set off the fire.

And uh, and you had these witnesses right that said it was clear that the farm owner had died before the fire on Tuesday night.

The corpse was cold, long cold.

He must have died by the previous afternoon, they said. Apparently one witness claims and the discovery of these drugs once again administered to the cultists at Sharie by injections or intravenous drip, gave for the reason for individuals investigating the case to believe that.

The Iravy really, yeah, man, this is some fucked up fuckery.

I mean, an IVY drip v drip.

Oh yeah, right, what did you say that too? Sounds like.

Zizzies with the plastic bags on some of the victim's heads.

Apparently that's like head and skate. They put fucking plastic bags on their heads.

You know what.

They said that the reason being was they excused it. There was a justification, justification that jiorret himself. Luke Jora said his group had used plastic bags and rituals to symbolize humanity sinning against nature.

Conditioned all the way around.

Well, you have to be.

You'd have to be because you know, and I don't know if we're about to wrap up or what, but just think of the mindset you'd have to have to want to do something like this to yourself. It sounds like most of them didn't want to and they were just murdered, which makes more sense to me because I'm not going down. I'm not killing myself in this way over some retarded stuff like this. But it's like, let's

I think they just yeah, they just poisoned them after the fact, they got them to sleep and then you know.

Yeah, I mean that makes more sense to me.

Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

And considering that, you know, as I mentioned multiple times, just the wealthy nature of many of the recruits and initiates of the OTS, like you had members of the cult, like one of the members wives inevitably sued de Mambro, right, I believe she sued the cult and ended up receiving

Was a tape right about them talking after the fact, right, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're dealing in guns, right, oh yeah, yeap. And mean they're speaking of the tapes. They're on tape discussing the branch Davidians beat them to the bunch.

Yes, that's what it was that I'm thinking of.

Yes, and the branchda Indians are dealing guns, and I suspected dealing guns through what is known as the Midwest Depot, the secret CIA depot in northern part of San Antonio, Texas Air Force.

That's where they said the institution was that uh, that David Koresh and at least I believe seven of his you know, inner circle were allegedly programmed at the institution by an MK ultra operative that was you know, in that area.

And you know what I'm talking about.

Oh yes, And it turns out through the Paul Wilcher connection that I mentioned earlier, right that journalists who was assassinated said he knew more than Danny Castilero. It was through that contact that CIA domestic uh uh you know uh operative who who was who claimed to be the pilot in the October surprise.

He also claimed.

That that David Koresh was under mind control. He was essentially they were programmed to pursue the creation of a bomb, and that they were actually trying to to uh uh they had. It's very interesting. They said that many Green Berets. There was a program that was up where green Berets would be domestically, uh brought back to the US domestically and then Special Forces.

Y was it doctor sir hand? Was it doctor hypnotists? Sir hand? Sir hand?

Guy?

Oh, oh my god, right, like it's the same.

Somehow the Branch Davidians. My husband was telling me.

Somehow the Branch Davidians inspired the Oklahoma City bombing stuff.

Yeah, and that what was that guy's name?

That Oklahoma bomb was there?

That's right, that's.

Right, And they're all connected to the Order in Idaho. Yes, I think.

David Koresh is a severely misunderstood character in my opinion, and I think I mean I've covered him in my cult series, but yeah, I mean that's a whole other with the Ruby Ridge and everything. There's an HBO series on that.

By the way, I think that twenty Special Forces Group is a key thing to understand there also your point.

Out absolutely, Yeah, I'm there's this fascinating uh cavedef dot org. George from cave Def. He's super cool, dude. He has provided you know, quite a bit of the resources available at at cabdef dot org that as far as like, he's put together a very long list of let's say, there's one on mind control programs, there's one on the son of Sam even just right that goes into very deep levels of research.

It's a great resource.

But this is where I first discovered the alleged connection right between uh, the the potential mind control wrinkle to the Waco siege, which just blew me away. Because if you I mean Waco was one of my red pill moments, I'm very much it was. It was really Ruby Ridge, Waco and Okac that woke me up. You know that I related so much to to Sammy Weaver, right, Sam Sammy we for the little boy out on the farm with his dog and his gun, you know, and and that's how I was raised. I mean, I grew up

But you, David, it was all those Special Forces guys you're talking about throughout all this stuff from Fort Bragg operating through the twenty Special Forces Group like that, the infamous Mina, Arkansas pilot for the meddying cartaeil, trafficking of Iran contrac coke into America, Berry Seal, likely member of the Society of Cincinnati, member of the twenties Special Forces.

So crazy.

So if you were going to give the Solar Temple a rating from one to ten, did jock Straps connected.

To you know, did jock?

I'm betting the bank. I'm betting ten jocks, all right, I'm gonna bet.

I'm gonna bet eight jock Straps on the Solar. I've heard crazier. But they're up there, right, they got to be up there. They got connections, they got weirdness, they got burnt bodies, They've got three different you know, events happening over the span of a couple of years.

I'm going on both sides of the bombs. They're on both sides of they've they've gone international on both sides of the ponders.

They're very prolific.

All right, all right, I amend my rating. I'll give it nine. Did jock straps?

Nick?

Where are you?

Let me?

Uh quick, I'll be right back and then I'll give my final thoughts on that, and I'll be right back.

Guy. I like a seven or eight.

And the reason the reason why it's getting a lower rating is because.

I do think it's probably intelligence behind that. I think if there was actually organic organic every like, hell, that's fucking crazy.

Yep, I'm reading my boat. I'd like to read you my I'm gonna downgrade them for being French. I'm gonna give them a five.

I'm going to give them a six because I am certain if I study hard enough on this, Bouvier is gonna come up because of the French connection, and this ship.

Is going to go a wild So he challenge except challenge except yes? Five?

Did jocks drop?

I said six?

I'm going to actually, I'm gonna i'd like to I'd like to redo mine to give them zero jockstraps.

Because the zero read just because I'm just saying some there is some fuckery about There is so many. He's mentioned another podcast that I watched prepping for this. He's mentioned some people that he didn't go all the way up the line, like like Thane Eugene Caesar, and I'm like, keep going, keep going.

People are in the comments also should rate people in the comments section need to rate one to ten? Did jockstraps for the Solar Temple? Just curious what the listeners think out there because I'm reading, Yeah, did jock strap?

So I I think we're at We're at. I mean, definitely, I'm ten out of ten. I believe this was Operation Gladio all day long. And I think that, you know, again, as I said before, like why for who is the membro crossing borders with massive sums of money?

That's one major NASA And also like.

We have like two French policemen who were stationed in animas, right, the alleged assassins.

Who who who basically were supposed to have been involved, right?

And uh, And essentially what happened was there was Charles Pascal, right was was directly as far as a few days before the Vercors massacre. Right, these two alleged assassins go to the Ministry of the Interior headed by Charles Pascal, who's directly involved in the local Gladio connections that are playing out with the ots. And and this is a few days before the Coors massacre happens. And so I think that this is like deliberate connection to the plot, that this is how we're carrying it out.

The plan is being hatched at this moment.

And and there's a fascinating link as far as these sort of organizations, right, the Grand Lodge de France and uh, all all these belonged to this this sort of it was called the g l n F Opera, and it was essentially like, uh, this this umbrella organization and uh and it kind of like really just like you had you know, a commander of the O s mt J involved as well then you, which is obviously you have this Martinist order, the renovated Order of the Temple, the

Uh.

Uh this collaborator Julian Rigas, who is in my mind the direct connection to Luke Gerray for the Gladio Dynamic and that's what I find so interesting here, right, is that you have essentially, you know, with Julian Rigas, his background is so strange, right, and he's he's connected in with with essentially you have like the rectified Scottish Rite that's involved ancient, uh ancient and accepted Scottish Rite. There's all these different versions that seem to overlap with each other.

But the Grand Dark Rights, the Dark Rights are the ones exactly Cagliostro ones exactly right.

And so I think that you know, it's the Freemasonry links to very much interests me, you know as well, because I just think that it's hard to it's hard to ignore at the very least that you have Jacques Bryer and Aleister Crowley. Even I think with the White Brotherhood as far as in many ways the Great White Brotherhood is very in the Great White Lodge. Much of this is sort of you know, just the least baked in Crowleyism in a way, right, where you kind of have.

A lot so much further.

Yeah, it's like Mystery Babylon.

This goes back to Scott a chronicon and Mystery Babylon.

This is so much further.

But then everybody perverts it their own way, you know, whichever flavor.

So Austin is going ten ten on that.

I mean, I feel like you could go ten just based off of the body count, because it's much much like Jonestown. Jonestown gets ten jockstraps for me just because of the you know, ten favarades, ten grape drinks, whatever, just off the body count. I mean, Solar Temple, it's it's it's one of those high up ones kind of. I told Nick about a cult called the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. They've got a body count like at least a thousand people, so they get a ten for me.

Again, just.

A point, right, dude.

He roasted he roasted at least seven hundred and fifty people in a church, so he gets he gets ten roasted booty holes just based.

Off the body count.

Oh, Julia, Oh my god, crazy dude, These cults are crazy. Solar Temple is wild, you know, so.

Oh yeah, absolutely, But I think so the aregas connection, I think we definitely should like I should at least tie that in directly to Durret because I do think that that's like a smoking gun honestly, in terms of the Gladio connection to the OTS, right and uh, beyond the fact that you have like this very strange Luciferian Internationale that I mentioned before, that that made like these announcements that seem to be very much, uh you know, as far as like the the foundational principles of the

It was being formed by Demambro.

And I think that you you essentially you have like this, you have basically where the Green Order they make this announcement, right, this this Luciferian you had not only the Green Order, but the Grand Lodge of the Dragon, the Celtic Brotherhood apparently the Aryan Order, the Sons of Fire, and the Lucifer Gazelle Shaft, which was the Luciferian lucifer Society that was based in Cologne at the time. And they made this crazy ass announcement that said, the time has come

Oh, look at the symbolism for the Look at the Vatican. It looks like a key hole that the Mormon Church just copied them.

It's a key hole.

The o NASAs Foundation is a key hole. Go look at all these things. They all have the same information. They're just in their own factions.

It's the mob, right absolutely all right when they come Sorry, it's it's just it's this part right here I think is worth mentioning because it's again it the Age of Aquarius is upon us.

They are at the very.

Least attempting to kind of you know, usher this in and in more ways, wasn't he Oh, yes, and and uh and and the Green Order themselves And during this this this time specifically, they had they had made this, this proclamation that it is indispensable to unite all the Polar and Solar forces before the Age of Aquarius and

So that is Origas who Jorre.

Was also happened to be a friend of this Italian fascist linked to Gladio by the name of Claudio Mouti. Mouti follower of Franco Freda, one of the leading neo Nazi and neo fascist intellectuals of the postwar Italian far right. Freda belonged to the MSI, which was a neo fascist political party in the Italian social movement, and he began to criticize its leadership and as far as saying that

But Young Europe is what it was really what all that.

It referenced, right, the that's all it translates to and and this is a neo fascist euro nationalist movement formed by John Jean Thury Art in Belgium. And this group was allegedly controlled by the SDR A eight, which is a branch of Belgium's Gladio. So that is where the direct connection to Luke Jerra comes in into play, Claudio Muti, Julian Arriguez, and that all brings in the scope of the international Luciferian Green Order.

You know, it's it's fascinating stuff.

But I think that's really just the crux of the point that I wanted to make was that it goes so deep into the levels of connections to the Gladio operation at the time. Uh, the strategy of tension obviously, the the what they were really trying to do is create an environment of destabilization, right more than anything. So it's just a fascinating thing to me. And I think that Gladio never ended either, right, I mean, it comes, it resurfaces in full force in terms of the Omar

So I no, and I know that was a lot of names, and I apologize, but.

I do think it's very important to at the least kind of trace this record of GLADIO connections, at least, you know, at some surface level, just to to kind of reinforce the re that this was definitely an intelligence operation.

Right. So that's my sure, and.

That's why we see the connections right with like pat Con and stuff like that. I think that's the one of the biggest key points to take away from all this conversation is the Gladia never ended. It's still going on, and we see it right there. We see it with

I'm just saying, you know, he's certainly in the mix.

So JJ, does that mean you're amending your rating because you gave them zero jockstraps.

I'm amend my rating to negative five jockstraps because they're friends.

Come on.

The other French and I'll give them negative ten. Watch well.

I did also want to say somebody in the comments section said that they appreciate my dark sense of humor and thank you, because.

Well, I appreciate your darkness review.

Thank you, guys.

I mean I feel like, yeah, this is horrible, a lot of people burned up and died, but I mean everything is also at the same time open for being a joke.

Well, if you can't, we all got to continue life as it is. And if you can't make a joke about it, what what what?

We definitely and we got more to do, right.

Yeah, I can say that this this was very informative. Even after looking into the Solar temple myself, what I would consider to be a pretty good deep dive, you uh surpassed me and a lot of the things that that I was looking into. Yeah, Austin green job, barn burner as that.

The hell of a barn burner right there, and discourse for sure, the barn not the.

Barn, I mean house.

One.

Yeah, it's crazy.

The podcast has a house burner that I made, Oh.

My god, very fritting. Yeah, yeah, and literally but.

I forgot most of these details because it's been quite a while since I did my my deep dive into it, and uh, just coming out the other end of this Atlanta case, like my mind is oversaturated with those details of that case obviously at this moment, and so I would have preferred to have done a little bit more of prep get back affiliated with the.

Good job, thank you. Yes, I definitely would have remembered more of these details. I don't know how that's possible, sir.

I think we derailed you, and it would have been as much as now.

He did amazingly better than ancient aliens. So if you can at least.

Do better, friends alone, oh my god. But the only thing I have left to say really is just that what Alex Constantine said, you know, in his archived version of like his story of of the ots and kind of the bridging of he kind of made a lot of these Gladiol connections, and and uh very much I appreciated him reinforcing a lot of the details in certain ways, and and what he had said, basically the way he ended his piece, I found this to be so poignant,

Of gun running and money laundering.

But the fraternizing of America's national security elite and the colts did not begin in Sharise, Switzerland. The Order of the Solar Temple was but the latest incarnation of mind control operations organized and overseen by the CIA and the Department of Defense. I just thought that was beautiful, because.

It is sure, for sure, very vor wait to sum it up.

Right, I just think it's it's too often the case, in my opinion, with many of these scandals, right, but I was thoroughly convinced that this this this was a a very sophisticated cover up, you know, and it's it's unfortunate, but it tends to be.

The sophisticated yet sloppy and ongoing. Right, Yeah, sophisticated yet you know. But it's it's right up there. And like I said, you did a great job. I learned a lot.

And I'm sure, I'm sure.

I can't I mean, I can't speak for Nick, but I mean I think he dug into some ship that I was not even aware of.

That's why I said and said it covering on myself. I'll just have him come on.

So thank you Nick.

By the way, I really appreciate you brother, you as well, and Julia Heidi, like, it's really nice to be you guys officially, Like I've known of you guys for for quite a while.

But uh, I.

Was looking forward to this because I was hoping once again, like the more the more interaction I can have with like minded people like yourselves, Like, I'm so grateful for this, Like it's, you know, something that gives me purpose, man, you know, and that's very in this moment in time. I'm everyone should be desperate for this, and I think that most people are there's and this is the reason why they're subconsciously acting out in many ways, right because

Of course.

Man, yes, sir, your time, I mean you brought. I got a couple of tabs open it every time we talk. I listened to your all share. Other day, I got a couple of tabs open here to check out. So I'm definitely looking forward to our conversation here in the future.

I love meeting new conspiracy friends. Should I met my husband conspiracy podcasting?

Thanks Nick, Next.

The matchmaker room for you, And.

I mean, I mean you never you never know who you're gonna meet. And honestly, I just wanted to say to your point, it's great to be able to connect with people on on you know that are on the same page.

So yeah, I love the conversation today.

It was great, man again, but.

Love it.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, j all right, Julia, you want to let everybody know what I know.

You want to try. You want to try real quick, just to let everybody know where they can find.

You, cosmic peach. Thanks for having me.

Oh yeah, great, great conversation, Austin, I appy sure your time, sir, h JJ vance Operation g c D not the Vice President got Fridays tonight with Phil's ze. That'll be an epic, farm burning kind of conversation right there. And Julia, I hope you bring your dark humor to the review of ghost Story next Wednesday night and Operation GCD live.

You can count on it.

You can count you always appreciate the time, man, and look forward to our occult esoteric review of So I Married an Axe Murder, one of my favorite films that's come up in two weeks in Operation GCD Live Nice, Nice, and then Operation GCD Sundays. This weekend here, I got to a pm E at Easter standard times or daylight times, whatever the fuck that means. I don't know the difference. The uh it's gonna be uh. That's the legends of

Served me human meat burgers at the parties.

Of the job man, human eye.

A lot of comparisons around the cold activity surrounding this man in Great Falls, Montana to the Sun of sam process activity in mind No, North Dakota, because the two cities are very similar, with the same Air Force bases in the same missions in both locations.

So Detective James.

And mine never go to Hardy.

Absolutely, he's a legendary there. Any I'm a big friend of his research and work and what he's accomplished there, and.

Any boots Man, he makes me cry.

Man, I'm not even playing like reading reading anyway, I won't get into it, but thank you guys, I appreciate you.

Go ahead and keep going. Sorry, I appreciate everyone.

Si.

I just wanted to throw on some plugs there for any because again, I appreciate everyone's time. And I got some some good shows with your cult rejects coming up, and Nick obviously will be there as well in.

A couple of those at least.

Okay and Heidi next, let us go on.

I am Heidelve on Filtered Rice podcast Everywhere. Podcasts are served on filtered Rise podcast dot com and that's where you can find me. Thank you so much Austin for your presentation, and to all of the occult rejects and Boss, thanks a lot. Yeah yeah, the organizer A that's enough, it's a lot.

Uh said. Please let everybody please let everybody know they music brother.

Man again, Nick, thank you, brother, I appreciate you having me on for this and and uh yeah, I uh really The Underclass Podcast obviously is my my show, and and I have a show every Tuesday night at nine thirty Eastern time with jose galisong from Noway jose and it's it's a good time. It's called already dead, and uh yeah, we basically skitz so out for a good forty five and then do like a live interaction with with patrons or or call in as well at that point.

But but either way, I heard some cancelation around.

Dramatic At the very least, I got nothing belove for everybody involved, you know, and and I think that you know it, things hopefully will will at the very least, hopefully we'll we'll see some sort of.

I don't know, just just awa, yeah, well what differences aside? I mean, it sounds like you guys are able to get it together still there exactly, it's still happen. Seems to be the most important part.

Had to change venues, but it is still happening, and I know Owen and Sam will still be there to perform. I know Shane Cashman is going to be the m c uh.

And then I.

Talked to I talked to Jake, Jake's producer last night, actually Jake Shields, and he just hit me up and was like, for sure they're coming. So that'll that'll be fun at least, like, well, we'll actually have some legitimate personalities there to to.

I think it's you're showing up. You mean.

You said about I mean, it all sounds like quite a lineup, But I mean I was about to say, as far as any kind of research goes or ground breaking information, I don't know if any of those fellas are beating you their search.

But I will say, uh, it'll be a lot of fun.

Ain't getting values, you ain't kidding.

Conspiracy, postcasting, it's ten jock straps.

Anyway, I'm done. Thank you guys. I appreciate you all.

Yeah, definitely check out that live show.

He does I know, uh, JJ and Headless has jumped on recently.

Already tune in. I usually I'm usually typing around those hours. I tune in and listening a lot. But I did I hear you all say something. I'm like, I gotta go to comment on that one.

That's a good yeah.

Yeah, So I definitely go check out that lot. I was glad that you mentioned it because if he didn't, I was gonna bring that up. Uh.

Thank you all again for coming on, Julia, JJ, Heidi, that's what's up.

I love it. I really appreciate you guys being here.

Austin. Thank you so much. Man again, don't worry about rescheduling. It worked out the way it was supposed to. So there we go. And that is the end of another occult rejects and thank you everybody in the chat.

That's what's up. We'll see you again later on.

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