Nazi Occult Symbolism with Symbolic Studies

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I welcome to the occult Rejects. We have a fantastic show planned for you. But before we get to the guest of honor, let's go around the room, go around the panel and introduce each other. We'll start with the Mad Scientists in the corner. Lisa, how are you.

I'm doing well, Thank you, Tim. I'm very excited to be here, looking forward to simple studies marios always giving like knowledge to fill your brain, to go on and wonder to more. I'd like to plug the Quote Researchest dot org. A lot of some of our recheck contribute there, especially Ethan has contributed, some jen is considered read some audio and so if you could check us out there on a Quote Research Institute dot.

Thank you, Thank you, Jim the Ninja, how are you, sir?

Hey Tim, what's up? So great to see you. Great job about this. It's I think it's hilarious that makes people do this. I've done it once before, so I feel you. So I'm gonna plug. Obviously, my show, which is Threshold Saints tons of upcoming episodes this month and next month, literally two a week, maybe three so pactful and also the Gray Lodge, so we have a Gray Lodge YouTube channel. We will be live streaming our Friday

Of course, and of course we have Nick.

I don't know, yeah, thanks for going Nick, good, Thanks thanks for coming on. My voice is still shot, which is why I have you doing the intro kind of too, but that is an idea. I think I'm going to start just making everybody doing the intros. I mean, we're all part of the show, right and why not. So thank you very much for doing the intro. I really appreciate you always coming on, Tim, and you know, Mario, it's always amazing to have you on the show. I

Thank you, thank you, Tyrone. What's up? Man?

Welcome, Thank you for letting me come here. I appreciate it. Uh you know, it's always been great to be here with you guys. You can find everything about me on rebirth oftheword dot com. Everything anything from my YouTube channel to my Spotify to just reading articles you'll find on there.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Headless Giant, what's up?

How's going? Everybody? You can find me on x at the Headless Giant and on Twitter at the Headless Giant. And if you have any sort of paranormal slash weird dream stories, you can send them to my email at the Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com and we will read those out on Thursdays. So check that out.

Thank you.

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And we have Ethan Indigo Ethan, what's up.

Honored to be here with you guys. Thanks for the involvement, Tim, great job as at mc MARI. I'm really excited about this and for your interpretations and sharing your knowledge and what a controversial subject is and Headless and Ricardo and I have been doing a little podcast on Sundays. People have been getting giving positive feedback about otherwise. I'm a writer on the esoteric and the exoteric Evan and Yeah, I just enjoy sharing ideas with everyone.

Thanks Sunday Mornings trialogus.

That's what I was going to ask about. Cool and I am Tim Constantine my show with sixth Sensory Podcast as always, happy to be here. I'm happy to kind of introduce everyone. That's awesome, thanks for asking me and to our guest here, the main attraction Mario from Symbolic Studies.

How are you, hey, Tim, I'm pretty good man. Thanks for the intro and thank you for the invite Nick and setting this up. Of course, really excited to dive into all of this material with you. It is indeed controversial. So as I was writing my notes and kind of figuring out I want to talk about, I'm like, wow, how am I going to talk about some of this stuff? But I think I have a game plan and we'll

Yeah, and you know, I'll jump in here and comment on that controversial element to this work. I know what you're talking about, but I do want to say from my perspective, you know, we're over here, we're kind of isolated in our isolationist culture in the West, and when we hear the term Arian and stuff like that, we automatically think many of us think about like movies like American History X, and we think about skinhead guys and

Yeah, there you go, Yeah, right on exactly.

Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm really glad you said that, because I have here written in my notes somewhere that the symbolism, the deep core symbolism that I want to talk about, has nothing to do with Hitler, has nothing to do with World War Two. It completely predates all of that stuff, right, and so that is obviously part

So one of the.

Things I think the show has actually started because Nick was interviewing somebody. There was some conversation. Maybe you guys remember at some point, but I know that World War two came up, and I believe either the Swasaka came up, Hiller came up, something along these lines. And I just commented in the chat I was really digging the show that that's a whole episode we could talk about this symbolically, right,

Some people say it's universal.

It's damn near universal from what I can gather as well, So many cultures you can find examples of the swastika.

All over the world.

So what does that mean and why would it be the perfect symbol to sort of tarnish or have a campaign against?

Right?

So, if people have followed my work, one of the things I like to talk about is this great symbolic shift from polar to solar. Basically right and polar symbolism is very primordial, very ancient. It very much relates to the last Golden Age, right, it relates to things like the North Star, the northern sky, the world axis or

All of that.

And what I found is that this symbolism has been demonized in the modern world, thanks in part to things like World War One and World War Two and the affiliations, right, the people associated with it, and the you know, just

It just it just is what it is.

It's things are being sort of reshaped and retoold right now. But this cultural breakdown is definitely part of the conversation. And you can't keep something like the swastika contained and suppressed for that long.

Its power is too great.

It's existed for such a long time that it's going to be known and it's going to be sort of understood.

So you know, Mariel, real quick, I just wanted to say, I think I've said it before. I think that is actually one of the more it's not calling the guy a gangster, but the fact that he took that symbol and fucked it off, that's a real magical I mean, that's just fucking that's crazy.

You know, like that, that he had that power totally.

I'd like to throw in just one thing. It seemed like it was forgotten for a long time in the West before he kind of revived it, because you see, before you know, the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, there was no real conception or popular consciousness around the swastika anymore. It had been a long sort of dormant symbol in that part of Europe for a long time.

Yeah, yeah, if you want, at some point, if you don't break down the Swaska, I can break down how the Nazis got a hold of that if you want at some point. And I just wanted to comment on the Saska in general because I went out on a limb there in the intro and brought up that term area, and I just had a feeling we were want to talk about that. But what I was thinking when I used the term area and I was definitely thinking about the swastika.

Man.

I don't know how far back it goes. You probably know more about that in I, but I've read that it goes back to the at least goes back to the ancient Zoroastrian cults of Iran, and that's why in nineteen thirty five Iran actually changed their name to Iran, which means Rian, because they were trying to reconnect with those Aryan roots. But you go back to like King Darius of the old Persian Empire, and on his tomb it says son of a Persian, son of Aryan race,

There's only two there's only two current states in the world that use Aryan as the root for the name of their country. That would be Iran. And who can guess the other one Ireland? Oh oh yeah, they ran in Ireland.

Right right? Yeah, you know.

The way I see it is that, like I said before, like this concept of a center being the point of expression and also return right, this is really this is the basis of my metaphysical understanding of all things basically, and so it permeates everything. Nothing can sort of escape this concept in my opinion, from what I've gathered now, and what I've noticed is a lot of words that are r ar ir as headless just mentioned with Ireland and er all go back to a northern primordial kind

And actually it's interesting. I have a book here called The Arctic Home in the Vedas.

I'll tell yep exactly so the Arctic Home in the Vedas, right, and so just the first sentence here the idea of a lost ancient civilization located at the north pole right. And so when I was in India, I was in India a little over ten years ago, and there was one small town. I don't know, I can't even remember the town anymore, but you know, there was lots of taxis.

I've told this story before, so if you've heard it, my apologies.

But there was lots of little taxis around and walking around waiting for a taxi or finding where we're we're going to go. It was really interesting to see that a lot of these taxis had gigantic bold red stickers on them and they all said Riyan and they all had a red swastika right next to it. And then the little bookstore outside for tourists had minekomf there.

And so that was a revelation for me at the time, where I'm like, whoa mine comp is right here?

And then all of these people are claiming this aryan thing with the swastika, you know, because this idea of our homeland being in Hyperborea or Paradise or the original garden vied, and you know, it's so ancient that I don't think we can really escape it. I think it goes through waves in ways where people sort of rediscover it, have this kind of identification with it.

Right, But it just goes back to what I was saying.

Emanation from the center also returned back from the same center, and so humanity had this sort of origin story.

All of humanity. In my opinion, it's kind of no different.

I've been thinking a lot about antennas, and just like a simple pole emitting a signal, right, it emits from the middle and it expands outward. It's not unlike a ripple, Right, you throw a pebble in a pond, it ripples out from the center, right, And so the signal is strongest the closest it is to that pole, and then it gets weaker and weaker and weaker. Right, And so humanity, in my opinion, has had this fall from grace from this center and sort of the further we've either literally

Right, go ahead, Yeah, I was going to say that there's something about the northern symbolism that is so intrinsic to all of these stories that really doesn't get tension. If you go back to the Greeks, they talk about the separation of Udernos, the sky from the earth, and they talk about castrating the pole. Right, So the pole is that symbol that separates the sky from the earth, and that would be at the northernmost climbs, right, So this is where the original sky came away from the earth.

If I may, If I may, When you were talking about India, I went back and brought up one of the daily mythology drops that I put on my x account every now and then every single day, I do a.

Daily mythology drop and one of them was the swatsika.

And I learned that in Hinduism, the swasika represents sir Yah. I guess that's how you say s u r Ya, which is the Sun god, which is a prosperity and good fortune. So, uh, you know, we had it at one time a good thing, and then you know, most people know it as the negative connotion as it is today with the Nazism and so on and so forth.

But it's it's interesting.

Oh go ahead, go ahead.

No, I was just gonna say to back that up, the one of the world's oldest religions is Jainism, related to Hindus, and it is first and foremost in there. Every book must have a swastika in the beginning page, and then every temple entrance there.

Must be a swastika as well.

Did I did I come through clearly?

Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely.

And it's it's it's interesting because oh oh yeah, I finish off.

Go ahead, go sorry, sorry, I'm I'm I'm delaying.

I apologize you guys.

And also it really has and maybe Jim might be able to build on this better than I don't mean to put you on the spot. But it also really has the center point. As you point out, it has two lines intersecting with results in the four corners, which results in the four directions and four corners of this mandala like formation that it kind of illustrates and related to the sun and so forth, and seasonal changes as you point out, right right right.

That's sorry. I'm just going to jump in really quick after Ethan just because he brought us. Something really interesting about Jainism is that Jaans do have a deep contric system as well. They also have a lot in common with certain Temple of Set ideas in terms of self belief and like self apotheosis. That is also part of Jainism. And it's in general considered to be one of the

I agree with you.

Someone jumping here real, okay, because this is interesting because I had already put up my mythology drop, so I did India already and talked about how it was related to the Sun guy and Jainism is actually under there. I highlighted it stands for the seventh Saint, super Chavanta.

So this is why I want to give people idea.

So when I do these daily mythology drops.

I usually take lots of my books, and I usually I have a lot of tabs on my books that I take information from, So that way is not my opinion, my theory, or my idea. I'm actually taking it from different texts and I'm trying to put it into a consolidated format so everybody can get the basic gist of what is basically been saying.

So that's why I created that.

And it's funny that y'all was mentioning geniism because in prehistoric Europe, the swasika appears on pottery, roomstones and textiles. Now, I also went in back with somebody who was saying about the I think in the comments, somebody was saying something about the oldest swasika could be fined in Ukraine. And I actually found two websites that I like to go to that actually brings that up.

And here I bring it up if Nick can bring it up real quick.

But it does go back to twelve thousand years and it gives you a history of it on Ancient Ancient dash origins dot net. Now there's other websites that I went to that said the same thing, but this was you know, this one gave you a good breakdown and you can listen to, you know, the little article that they have on there, and it literally gives you, you know, the different ways how the Druids did the swatsika at one time.

They give you the in the twelve thousand your symbolism.

It gives you a little idea of I guess it's found on some kind of uncovered and Missine Ukraine carved on the ivory figurine, which dates back in incredible twelve thousand years. One of the earliest cultures that are known to have used the swatsika was a Neolithic culture in southern Europe in the area that is now Serbia, Croatia, Posnia and her Ziggovina, known as the Vinka culture, which

I actually wrote an article on it.

The first representation of a god is a son because of the agriculture of needs and everything else.

Yeah, so I'm trying to swing it around and take it back to Tomrio here. But I do want to say, like, if you look at some where we're talking about empire lineage here, I think, and you know, you guys talked about the Hindus, and if you look at the Brahma, some of the Brahma families, it came from the Caucacious Mountains. There's DNA tests to prove that, as did the Scythians

It seems as though there's something to that. Yeah, definitely, you know, I look at this place more like a field, right, and so it's like a tourist field. So I kind of see it that we're existing on a plane perhaps within literally this torus field dynamic, right. And so the torus field is another example of this emanation from the center and return back to that same center. And so it seems as though all things come from a center

You know that their origin story is somewhere in the north right. And so there are a lot of deities from ancient.

Cultures that were actually polar in nature, but modern people basically misinterpreted the symbolism and put a solar sort of dynamic. So it wasn't until I found higher quality authors did I start reading about the true origins of the swastika. Actually being a polar symbol, not a solar symbol. Polar or solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism. So the Sun symbolically is also a pole, believe it or not, and

Earth and man. We are that symbolic bridge, as is a tree, as is a lot of things.

A pillar, you know, the pillar or a pillar in a building, symbolically separates heaven and Earth, right, and so it separates and it connects. This is what you'll see in the Magician card. The magician holds up a wand phallic symbolism is polar symbolism, is world access symbolism as well, holding up that wand to the heavens, and then he's pointing his other hand down to the ground as above, so below he's basically saying, I connect Heaven on Earth and I also separate Heaven on Earth.

It's the same dynamic, right, this world axis and Maria really go for it.

Have you heard of the Path of Soul's religion talked about by a lot of noun documentors in North America?

No Half of Souls.

It refers to this northern symbolism as the way out, Yes, exactly. So this is what you get in Egypt too, And so the idea is it's a transference of how you get out of this realm from the polar being the northern you know, climbs to being the sun.

M hm right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

The idea that there's an actual spot in the north where you can descend through the the atmosphere or something it aligns with the North Star. Perhaps.

Yeah, it's referred to the most common way to refer to it as the stairway to Heaven. Yeah, exactly, So the stairway to heaven exactly. So this is the opening in the cave. That's another sort of way of looking at it. In royal arch freemasonry, it's the keystone, right, so the keystone is removed and so yeah, exactly. So, you know, in my opinion, the North Star there's debate whether or not the North Star shifts or doesn't shift. Some people now are convinced that it's never shifted and

Kind of stuff.

Right Ovid's metamorphoses, there's one of the first places it's called the chaos.

That's basically what the chaos is all about.

Everything amalgamated sort of together in this heap until the world Axis brought structure and brought order. This chaos is also related to the full card. The Full always has a bag with him, generally at the end of a pole. The poll is so significant with the full card. And it's been said that there's the elements in that bag, but everything was mixed together. So in the full card you have chaos, and then that's followed by the Magician card,

So order out of chaos. Right.

The world axis brings order because it brings a point of pivot. So let me just finish this thought real quick. So all leaders symbolically represent the axis. Right, the leader of any organization represents the poll, the points of pivot for that organization. Right, you're giving orientation to your people,

Even in mainstream Islam they're making the somnambulations around the Central Mountain, right, So there's a lot of polar symbol in all of it, but it's it's kind of pars unless.

You know it.

Yeah, exactly right.

So well let me just say one thing, sorry Mario, about what Headless just said, because the sort of expression of it in Islam is actually understandable from a contract perspective. The black cube is that of Rahu. It's very clear in the Grida Prana that that is the stone of Rahu. It also has the seven yonis in case in silver. This is also a part of the Yoginei tntras, so that that it's not polar. What the Islam is actually

Man.

I ask you a question, Mario, have you read Albert Church words, signs and symbols, because everything that you're talking about I literally.

Learned in this book right here. No, I haven't read that yet. I actually think I do have it though.

Yeah.

It actually am on page one.

Eighty seven, which is funny at one eighty seven, and you know the murder and all this other stuff, how the murder nutbers used.

But literally, that's why I brought it up, right.

But it literally says, and I'll read it out, it says that this sign of the swartzika was found in Britain three thousand between BC until three hundred and eighty.

Will proved pretty conclusively.

That the time of the exodus of the Druids from Egypt was at the time they had the swartzika, after they have converted this from the figures up the four quarters, and before they had changed the same into the out cross by evolution, probably more than twenty thousand years ago. If Flinders Petre is right in his dates as to recent his discoveries at Abodolts, then it goes on and it says, thus we see how one from the cross now used amongst the Christians. So he's saying that originated

That book says that, man, I say something that's blowing my mind, and I hope you guys find it valuable to a relationship between Maria, what you're presenting and something I've been thinking about from Buddhist teaching and firstly, though more primarily the Heaven, Earth and Man symbolism I think is very much in the great Initiator that is Thoth or Hermes Trismegistus, and this is what he has mastered, these three levels of being, and in many different cultural

But something that blew my mind is.

What you were talking about, how the North and the Pole is seen as the way to ascend and rise up and rise out. What I'm always thinking about the exoteric or the primary teaching, whether it's an esoteric teaching regardless, but the esoteric aspect of a pole in relation to this rising out of a cave and rising up, well,

He talked about. He said, you go to the north and then descend back.

Down right, And in terms of self development, we want to ascend. Sometimes we go back and forth. Sometimes we don't know which way to go. And in fact, we start out as a tube. We don't start out as a heart. We start out as a digestion tube. And of course we come out of the great matrix and womb tube. So as you're describing the pole and that aspect of self development and rising up, I was thinking, oh, well, the esoteric aspect of the pole is the tube. Thank

When you was mentioning in the Pope, I actually This is a picture of my eighteen seventy three Bible. This is the oldest book that I own, is from eighteen seventy three in this condition. It's a really interesting book. I'm slowly going through it and sharing what I have

It's a polyon. It's well, I don't know how many rabbit holes we want to go down here. I don't even know if I want to go down that rabbit hole. But it's yeah, and it's you know, it's been conflated with Semyaza and Azazel and many of these other ancient you know, entities that sort of live and reside across multiple different panels. But so, Mario, you said that, like solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism.

Yep, yeah, exactly.

So what was going on in the sky then? Does that say something about the astrology of the ancient world where there were there multiple suns?

Well, you know, that's a that's a great question.

The way I'll present it, well, one, I have a presentation called the Rising Sun Esoteric Solar Symbolism. If people really want my full sort of take on that, definitely watch that presentation. I think it's one of my best, and I talk about how solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism essentially, and basically, the way I break it down is that there have been three, from what I gather, symbolic major skyclocks. In today's world. It's the path of

Right.

Well, from what I've gathered based on my research, according to some of these traditionalists and perennialists, the first skyclock, the most primordial skyclock, was actually the fixed stars going around the polestar. And so we're dealing with a stellar tradition, right, And so the fixed stars go around the polestar counter clockwise.

Go ahead, head listen.

Victor Schauberger talks about those two different directions as being explosive versus implosive.

For there you go.

So the impluse so for us, is what creates zero point energy because it's constantly imploding upon itself like a tornado. This is the the secret of the polar symbolism is that is where you find that infinite energy point.

Yeah, if I may, if I may interject really quickly, sorry about that.

That.

I think also in Tyron mentioned in a jarred of memory is that the universe creates in pairs, and so we constantly talk about polar symbolism. We talk about pole star, pullstar, coors star, and somewhere in the text it's always mentioning the cross. Yet no one remembers to, I guess, mention

Sure, and that's a whole conversation could be had about the Southern Hemisphere, Antarctica, the psyopy nature of some things that are going on there, the Nazi interests in Antarctica, the final experiment with the flat Earth community, and stuff like that going down there. So yeah, that's a whole conversation.

Yes, the one thing every country on Earth agrees on is that nobody should go down there without their specific intrusion.

So it's interesting to compel them to agree.

Yeah, right, exactly.

You know something I wanted I just wanted to add this in real quick. I've been wanting to say for a minute. It's it's just kind of minor. You're talking about like stars spinning around a pole. The may pole was actually a big thing to be taught to the SS kids, you know, so I do kind of think like that does look a little bit like spinning stuff. I'll even say there's been times I've wanted to use that,

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. There's a ton of traditions that go around a pole. The maypole is one of them.

I know.

In Voodoo there's another pole.

It's called the peris still i think, and they look at it as like the navel of the universe basically, right, So no matter where you're at, even if you're in the furthest extreme south, in my opinion, it's still subordinate to the center that it expanded from or was expressed from.

That's just my opinion.

But what I was building up to is basically the leader being an axis being a bridge. The full title of the pope is Pontifex Maximus and that means the ultimate bridge builder. So he is a bridge between heaven and earth. Right, and so for the Germans, Hiller was an axial figure. He was an axis, he was a pole, right. He was supposedly or he was supposed to be the point of pivot for his people. He was going to be the point of orientation for his people. He's the leader.

And so.

To me, it's very strategic. It feels like it's a it's a deliberate campaign once again to suppress this symbolism because it's too holistic, it's too unifying.

So yeah, so let's get to this.

There's there's another angle, right there is that that the trickster spirit is always a Northern spirit. That is, that is a constant I found in a lot of mythology, is that this trickster is a Northern polar deity.

M hmm, yeah, yeah.

From the Mario, the Nazis during their reign acknowledged Iran as being their brothers. Essentially, Hitler himself said, there are there are like a potent form of the Aryan bloodlining they're our brothers. But you know, I just want to comment on where the Nazis perhaps got that symbol from. It's there's a good chance that they got it from a guy who was a Sufi East and Eastern mystic who was also spent time in Turkey, who was part

Tim, Tim, do you get the sensation that the Nazis were kind of like the German form of the Mormons. There's this magical influence sort of bubbling up from the bottom and then spreading out into these different, sort of normified symbols.

I do absolutely. I mean, it would take me a whole episode to break it down, but I agree with that for sure.

It's like there's it's like there's ancient orders that sort of come to the surface in these different movements from time to time.

That's what it is.

And that's why I brought up Iran earlier, because I mean, because of this Persian area and Magi group, Zoroastri and all that stuff, they're all kind of a part of that. And I think in the book that Mario held up, that book is by about Tilik. I think I think he talked about how this whole Persian area and bloodline thing too. But yeah, yeah, it goes back to these these basically these secret orders that had this information to begin with.

Yeah, really quickly, I just want to insert the edition of the Black and White. I believe Jin and Nick. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Those are the color stages of the great work, isn't it? In alchemy? Those are the actual re statement of when converting whatever it is that you're working on to the different phases to ultimately get you to the magnum o, this great work in helchemy.

The Greido and Robido, Yes, that's correct. Yeah, yeh, Rubido is the red. She's talking about the black and red, but yeah, Albido is also.

Yeah, No, you're toullly, right, Lisa, that's a great option.

Yeah, that's super interesting, just real quick, just because I brought it up or I opened it and grabbed it here. But you know, I don't have too many Iranian esoteric books, but I have this one, The Man of Light, and it's by Henry Corbyn. The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism and uh. In it they talk about Sufi's meditating on the world axis and like gaining enlightenment and stuff like that.

But if you open it, it's the first image here.

Literally you're going to see Ursa Madrin minor, right, So it's just showing you how significant that is. It's literally the first image in the book when you open it up, right. So I see this as potentially Some authors like this guy named W. H. Mueller in his book Polaria, he talks about how he thinks that the great wars of the world are essentially esoterically between solar and polar factions pretty much.

Can I get a date on that book on Man of Light? Yeah, yeah, totally. So let me see here, well you look at for that.

I wanted to add, Timmy, you mentioned I ran kind of like, you know, using the swastigua, and you know, you know Patsy Party, we also saw that popping up with the az Off Battalion over in Ukraine. So I mean this gne keeps on popping up every time there's a war.

Yep.

So if we're looking at theos oh, go ahead.

Oh just real quick.

I was just going to say that, you know, if we're talking about solar versus polar orders, right factions, right deep deep esoteric factions. I think it's very interesting that the Nazis had the swastika. The reverence for the swastika clearly a pole, a point of pivot right. And then the Jews also are well known for their twin pillars like in front of Solomon's Temple, right, and in freemasonry,

Mario, if I could interject, we're talking about a type of energy, am I right? Like you can feel this stuff when you interact with it, but it's not really clear to the audience unless they have an extended interaction with these symbols to know what that feeling is. So I want to ask you what is the feeling you get? What is I would call it drill? Right, So rill coming from that polar symbol. You've studied it for a

Yeah, I think rill is appropriate. You know.

I just think of a unity, supreme unity, you know. I think of the middle path, the middle way, the internal journey, you know, being concerned with what's happening more

Associated with the Nazis.

And one of the things that did happen as well is that it forms more of an X THENT across right. It's tilted slightly right, but it's clear that this looks like it's supposed to be moving, and in my opinion, when we're talking about movement again, it goes back to the movement of the heavens. I think that that's perhaps the greatest, most transcendental, sort of symbolic example that we have, so the movement of all things again around this interstellar axis.

Mario real quick. There's that triscalion element to the tilted swastika that I think, you know, if people look into the triscalion, they see it's the three sides and it's in that sort of motion kind of thing. And you've only got two flags of the world that have the triscalion on it, which would be Sicily.

And the Isle of Man.

Yes, both of them are legs.

Yeah, So I say to your point about the pole and then it being flattened like a field. I looked up the etymology or meaning of Poland and it means people of the field.

So pole there is field.

Just oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

If the swastika is meant to convey motion and movement, I'm still kind of thinking about this idea of real being associated with it, like that's that's very interesting to me. And I just want to point out that, like from what I understand, the concept of real really came about through Edward Buller, Lytton or Lynton, who was a part of that group of the Thule Society. Like they were all in the same kind of a cou circle, like

Yeah, and I would love to circle back around to Vrill because there's a lot to chew on with that for sure. So about the Swaska, went On says in his book Fundamental Symbols. In my opinion, this is one of the greatest symbolic books you can get your hands on in the modern world. The Swaska is essentially the sign of the poll. It would seem that in modern Europe it's true significance has never been made known. Most often it is made out to be a solar sign.

You could see a little bit of the triscalion in some of those symbols, and the triscalion is said to be the oldest symbol in human history.

Someone in the chat brought up the idea of well field, which is a Chinese character for a farm, and it also forms the character for sun as well. I just wanted to say this, in Chinese cosmology, like the Pole

No right on, thank you.

So the next slide you can go to it's just more examples, right, obviously of Swaska's around the world.

But there you go.

There's the there's some major going around the Pole Star. Right, So my understanding I've said this so many times before as well, but I actually think we get the number seven. The literally the shape of the number seven, I think is a northern shape. I think it relates to basically, when you're looking at or some major the end of the vessel, part of the dipper points towards the Pole Star, and so there's kind of an implied line from that last star there towards the Pole Star, and it looks

So there's even rail Mario, if I get interject real quick, think about the Little Dipper and the question mark.

Hmm, there you go, that's what you're saying.

Yeah, yeah, right right, Well, speaking of the Little Dipper, if you go to the next slide, you'll see the Little Dipper as well, or some major and URSA minors, So that's what I'm talking about. So people have said that basically it's URSA major going around the Pole Star like four times a year, one per season, right, just almost if you take a snapshot, which again seems as though this was the primordial skyclock things. Time was a

Right.

You could even say, by the way I've talked about this, there is an aspect here. You can basically make the argument that the left hand path is polar, that there's a whole aspect of the left hand path being polar. And if you're going around a central totem counterclockwise, that central totem is actually on your left hand side as well. Right, So there's even a left hand dynamic with counterclockwise rotation.

And all sorts of things.

Right, But to me, This feels almost just like a more circular, a more wheel like Swasika essentially, but the fact that there's twelve spokes.

Mario, can I ask you a question. Do you think I think the Nazis came up with the sun and ride or did it exist prior to them, you know, putting it in the basement of that Castleabelsburg.

I don't know. I'm not sure where it came from, to be honest.

With you, have you ever read through that Vivelsburg working that a Quino?

Did you know?

He went to the castle and I think I've read through his own writings on that, and it seems like he was trying to interact directly with the black Sun and used the black Sun symbolism that's you know, ingrained in like the marble floors and put up on the walls of the Vivelsburg castle that Himer had, you know.

Yeah, Wikipedia says it was the Nazi symbols, so it didn't actually have a version before that. But I think that's just too convenient because it's got the twelve spokes, which is perfect for that coolar symbolism, you know. I mean, how could it not have existed before the time of the Nazis, That's what I want. I want to know.

So, in my opinion, the Black Sun from everything I've gathered, if you want to skip a couple of slides and go to the list, there's a list that I have here, and there is the tile work in the castle. We can go past that there.

You go right here.

When we're referring to the spiritual sun, black sun, philosopher's son, midnight sun, invisible sun, central Sun, or secret son. We're actually referring to the exact same thing in my opinion, in my estimation, and it's actually a stationary son at where the center. That's why it has so much center symbolism associated with it, and that's why a lot of symbols that associate with the center as well have been

And also I'll just say, twelve o'clock on a clock is pointing up.

North on a compass is pointed up, so literally twelve o'clock on a clock face and then North is in the exact same position. So I made a video about this, about all of the ways in which it relates to each other.

So that's my person.

We also have to consider how cold it is in the winter, so you could see the entire sky. There's no humidity, there's no clouds, there's nothing blocking your view of the entire night sky. So to have these celebrations in the winter time seems so natural. You know, you've got all these fires and everything, you know, glowing and then you're looking up at the sky and you're appreciating your gods. In that way, it makes so much more sense to appreciate this polar sort of world in the wintertime.

M Yeah, I mean even the Northern lights.

You know, there's a whole thing with the Northern lights and the symbolism behind the Northern lights and what that represents and everything else. Also, Christmas is like the most overt northern holiday that we actually have.

Where does Santa come from? It comes from the North Pole.

It's more of a modern tradition, but the whole dynamic of putting a star on top of a tree, that's the North Star on top of the world tree, that's basically the world axis in your home, and you're putting the central star, you know, right on top of it. In my opinion, so if you just want to go

Right.

If there's a thirteenth sign, however, which it would be a Luturus.

Lunar calendar, that's exactly right, the luter calendar would include that thirteenth sign.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

So when you get deep into a fucus symbolism and you start understanding why it's the thirteenth sign, it's because it breaks solar paradigms, It breaks solar patterns thoroughly. And actually a fucus is more central, which means that it's actually more northern than all of the other signs. A fucus has been referred to as a bend in the river or the exit from the zodiac where to the

Right away, those are just some of my thoughts, you know, on the block sum there.

So Aquino wrote that he was in here in the Hall of the Dead in Heimrich Kindler's sanctorium. He talks about how I just think this is interesting, right, so I'm just gonna throw it in and he's like he talks about how he starts to see sigils before him and they go on to like influence the order of the trapezoid. But he's like, you know, I see, I see the two lower points, the three curved sixes, the

I totally get what he's doing, though I do understand from a tontric perspective, like he's trying to receive the word. This is obviously a big part of the order of trapezoids is the keywords from each angle represents a key word. They don't have all the keywords. A Quano didn't leave them all of them. That's just sort of the lore as far as I understand it. And so it's always like this kind of search for the spectral, like Mario's talking about, like the thirteenth sort of it's an axial pivot.

Subarctic exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

No, No, that that's the whole entire thing is the center is everywhere, and so so from what I've gathered is that the original homeland potentially was at the north. Uh,

That's healthy, that's really healthy.

And also it goes back to this primorial origin story that all of humanity has, even at a level.

Oh just real quick, you're not like what happens though? What do you mean is what's the only version of polar symbolism North America has?

It depends on how glogacysm.

I mean, that's the only.

There's actually multiple. Now there's you know, you have Tibetan Buddhism that obviously I Nick showed the image. There's that's sort of the symbol also of Bonpo, which is the primordial they say twenty six thousand years. That's their own dating. They say they're the pre Deluvian religion. So I'm just passing it along. I don't belong to it.

I thought you were.

Go ahead.

Uh sorry, I'm I'm delayed.

I'm delayed.

I'm sorry I have this.

I was gonna say I thought you were talking about the Hope and Navajo and other.

American Indian Yeah, exactly.

With the swastika, and before World War Two, many people in the United States were used it as a fashion symbol and also many American Native American culture did too, just because they had already you know, found it to be profound.

It's it's true, we think, but it goes back to the concept of what is this rill? What is this energy coming from this north place? And in my experience, it feels like a slap across the face. That's what real feels like to me. It's like, wake up, wake up, what are you doing?

Right?

That slap across the face feeling? Is this kind of brill that is before like a combat scenario, You've got to wake up. And if everything in America is pointing to this thirteen right, we've got thirteen colonies, thirteen arrows, thirteen stars, all these thirteens, it's pointing towards that same kind of slap in the face feeling.

Right.

I'm not saying that, you know, all polar symbolism is that, but that's an element of it. You know, that slap in the face, cold water, wake up, what are you doing with your life. Kind of feeling goes along with this polar symbolism that I think is rising up in the current eon we're entering into.

You know, it's interesting too, there's a lot to be said about the age of Aquarius potentially bringing about a polar age, and just my sort of loose interpretation of that, my armchair interpretation of that. It's fascinating that the card that corresponds with Aquarius in the major arcana is the star card. There's usually seven stars in the heavens, either seven in total or one with seven surrounding it. I've made multiple videos and presentations about how this is the

You know, it's the same.

Story above and below this idea about man migrating or having an arcticome land, it's the exact same thing with the stars in my estimation from what I can gather, right, So, yeah, something I want to think it.

Goes back to the tricksters.

Oh go ahead, No, I agree with that too, actually head of those. Yeah, I like the trickster, the astro theological trickster that as I like to call it. And these conjunctions like we've got this Saturn Neptune conjunction and coming up next year, and some people were talking about how it's going to you know, be a Renaissance type of a period.

Zero point ingress. I just want to say, zero point ingress is happening.

And I was gonna I was wondering what, you know, what Mario sees as far as those conjunctions, like, is there anything you know significantly polar in in the cards for the future.

I think it is.

Well, no, sorry, that's what we're saying about the trickster thing.

No, that's that's that's my point. It's like, look around at what's going on around us. This is not just confined to these esoteric reviews of symbols. It's happening right now. We're seeing this shift from solar back to polar. We're seeing it happen in front of us. That's what we're feeling. You know this, this is current events. I think a lot of people don't understand that. But there's a shift

And well, there's a shift in consciousness if we decide that we're all moving in an axial system. I personally believe we are moving in an axial system as well, but I'm also good at so we believe in axial system. That's like kind of foundational for us.

So that's what the foundational aspect of it. It's like there's a shift in the foundation itself.

I think if you're just like totally oblivious to everything, then it doesn't matter.

Well, I think when i'm something I kind of wanted to throw in here.

How I think what Headless was trying to say, how I was seeing it is that like during the Nazi party, and I would say, now, now you're seeing the swasticker. No matter how the fuck it's used, it's still popping up regardless, it's showing up in different areas, and people are getting into this mindset. Something's got to change and people start rising up regardless of what the outcome is. I what I was gonna say is I do see how I think the Nazi Party, you know, with Hitler, perfected that.

Kind of rise up change.

What the fuck is wrong? These peoples are bad? That person's bad. Why we're letting this happen? And we're seeing it again now when we had oh.

The trainees, these people, COVID.

All this stuff is all, you know whatever, you're seeing it again now Trump may not be fucking wearing the swastika, but it's showing up in other countries anyway, right.

And you know, if we look at ourselves and understand that, hey, you know, there's a shift that's been delayed a long time, and we all know that a lot of people are just coasting because they don't have to consider any of the energetic consequences of their actions. You know, like it's

Not that would be That would be the next big shift in consciousness is people waking up from from the current SiO that you know with the government stuff.

That's I don't want to get too political here or so I'm trying to like and.

The next one and the next one. You know what I'm saying, It's like, it's all of it is within that same perspective.

One thing I did on.

Chris, you got Chris Bledsoe out there saying that there's a a shift in consciousness coming next year on Easter that's connected with the divine fitling in so uh, Nick, I think I jumped on you there.

Oh.

Another thing, I have associated that symbol with the the idea of death. That's just my opinion because my own experiences and in the times when you see it. You're seeing a lot of fucking death, regardless if it's from a bomb, a fake disease, an injection, whatever the fuck it is.

People have been dying. Also, when you see this image rising.

Path souls, you know it's the path of souls. It's the change in the in the equinox, when theodox shifts. Well, we're seeing it.

You gotta remember a god was always seen in fire, or most of the time he was seen in fire.

You know, the burning bush, the thing that led to Israelites. And what does fire create? What does it do?

It destroys things, But it's also a rebirth after that, So every time you destroy something's got to be a rebirth right after.

That's the magician, the return when he comes back.

The major has also been referred to as the coffin of Osiris, right, and so that's very interesting. Also, we can't forget that dot, the hidden Sepharos on the cobblistic tree. The eleventh is the gateway to the Clipophic tree, the root side or the night side of the Tree of life, and Doth associates with the north right, and so so there's that relationship as well. And so the death thing definitely. There's like a lot of different angles with.

That Zoroastra Tostrianism, with their fire, with their fire guy, you know, cleansing up the body. Instead of cleansing with with with water, they was cleansing with fire.

They had to fire.

Yeah, I think that's I think that's a great wave.

Actually, Iranians are converting back to Zoroastrian religions right now in record numbers.

I don't think they ever really if you understand how Iranian Islam really worked, the Iranians never really converted to anything point. They've always been Zoroastrian Manichean. They've always been a mystery religion country. The rumor was even during the seventies at the the king or the prince, I'm forgetting. I'm sorry, Lisa, I'm trying to I'm not being exact.

And every click backward is a click forward in time.

Well, it's interesting you say that headless because she did a pole is actually the actual quote unquote air quotes pole of her husband and she bites it off and she but he actually gains it back. It's just it's one part of the story, right, because that's a much more sort of dharmic way to consider it. In different parts of the story can there is no real chronology because if you live in a dharmaic system, it's axial,

So that the.

Might represent this sort of knowledge being dormant in many different cultures, because you do see it showing up as somebody like if you look at the Soup or the Sumbee tribe, they were a branch off of the Persian Aryan bloodline. That's where we get Sweden.

Sweden was named, so maybe the Swedes seems like they were part of this at some point, part of this persian Arian bloodline, and they used that Swiss swastika a lot over there, and even like I think there were hired all.

He was looking and he found some records that indicated that Odin from Norse mythology founded the Swedish dynasty and that he came out of maybe even a Semitic bloodline.

So it's not clear who Odin really is. That's what I think is really interesting about what you're saying to him is that a lot of people, like I'm not into the I'm not into any paganism, but like in particular, I'm not into the North stuff, but I do understand it to a degree because of people around me, and I will just say that he's a very dynamic figure, so he can like take what to saying like that

Totally. And I see Odin as being very mercurial.

And I know that you were talking about the trickster Headless and the trickster is very mercurial as well. Right, I see mercury all over the place, And actually I would say that if there's a deity slash planet that is highly polar nature, it's mercury. Always associated with the phallus, with the pole, you know, all of these different types of things and traveling between realms, being the messenger of the gods. How is he getting there through the central axis?

In my opinion?

And so I just want to riff on a couple of things real quick about sort of the spiritual shift with everything here. So just bringing up the wheel because it's appropriate with the swastika symbolically the wheel, right, we're all kind of like our own wheel. The wheel is one of the most important symbols out there in my estimation. The outside of the wheel relates to division and multiplicity. It represents being outside of self. The outside of the

Because it's too holistic. It brings everything back to center.

And what Gwennon says, who's my mentor teacher right now, is that the difference between the Golden Age and the current dark age that we're in is literally the loss of the awareness of the center of Heaven of Earth it self. Right, there's a golden thread or cord that exists between the center of self and the center of the cosmos, you know, And so that's kind of how I see it.

And there's a very strong heart.

Based aspect to polar wisdom as well, being the symbolic center, one of the symbolic centers in self right, and so also the heart itself also.

Being related to like a seed being related to.

A cave also pumping blood and then the blood returning back to it, So it has the toroidal symbolism connected to it, heart also being an anagram for Earth as well. There's all sorts of things that go along with it. The color green related to it, you know, the central chap he dealing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something interesting that you said Mario about like the return to self, because this is the difference between like maybe you could say that if you want to say there's a horizontal access between east and west. We don't have an eternalist idea fixed self. So like

No worries. What camp does this fit in with the concept of.

Getting to such a transcendental point within that the self does not exist, nor does duality, nor does separate.

Yes, you have to be well obviously. Yeah for TNRE you have to be nondual for one hundred percent like must. But then there's no self. But there is a self that because just because you negate something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This is ton tric logic. So yes, it's a little paradoxical, but we would say that the paradox is always resolved in the concert. So if you're doing an external deity practice, it makes sense. This, this concept

So exactly that's what I mean when I when I I think that when you return to your most ultimate self, that that's what occurs, is what It's interesting language.

What I'm hearing is Jim preaching Rudolph Spangler's Decline of the West. When a certain society has reached a conclusion point for the questions they've had of nature. They start to decline and shift.

Right, and so is it a decline or is it entropy? And that you're inserting randomness and you're not inerting chaos, you're inserting randomness. And so it's this movement towards disorder in order to promote order. And it's almost like the Swastika itself, in its spiral or it's infiniteness, is trying to reset or maybe with the rail or the Nazis, we're trying to do is to throw the cards up in the air so that they can create randomness in order to reset the deck in their favor in odds.

And that's I think.

I think when we concentrate on the actual swastika and talk about systems or government systems, we are being so myopic in our thoughts. It has nothing to do with Matt, It has nothing to do with the current government systems that are in existence today. It has everything to do with creating randomness so that we can reset the odds in our favor or whoever is holding the cards rather or at least attempting to.

Ecoherence. I think that's exactly that's one of the key words. Further, if you want to call it the aon. So I think, yeah, that's at least exactly what she said, encapsulated perfectly.

Heard of sailor he burned it all down with a chaotic mentality, so you can rebuild rebellious mentality.

Exactly exactly, because if you think about World War Two, let's just be honest, it had nothing to do with the Nazis. It had everything to do with occultism. It did nothing to do anything other than I'm going to take your toys because I want to be a more powerful magician.

Was it?

That was it?

That's all pretty much. That's what I think.

It's Oswald Stangler. I kept saying Rudolph, but it's Oswald Spangler clime of the West. He was not part of the Nazi Party, but he was making a quantitative review of the different societies that had risen up and then fallen down. And so what he concluded was when they had answered the questions that started those societies, then they ended up declining and shifting into something else. And so I think that's a really potent examination of history. Is

Also, the Nazis knew that they couldn't show the world certain aspects of their full character, especially the occult stuff, And that's why we're playing catch up right now, and a lot of people are finding that there's a lot of information out there that's kind of been hanging out in the shadows. Like you can't just watch a lot of World War two documentaries and expect to know the full nature of what went down with that war. And like, the Nazis were really good at masking certain elements of

There's so many good examples of people that have escaped from both Nazism and Communism because it seemed like dueling magicians, right, and you see a lot of this because, uh, if you look at how the Nazis rescued El Duccea, the boss of Italy, is they used a bunch of dowsers.

They were.

Divination that story, it's awesome.

But here's the thing.

They were also using it to do sub hunting. They were using dowsers to show them where these different submarines were in the Atlantic.

Yeah, there was an admiral in the Nazi navy who had.

Nazis who beat the Nazis, Jerald Gardner with his Cone of power. Have you ever heard of the Cone of power? Ritual? Within Wika. It's the polar symbolism. You're just going around in a circle and you're building up energy and you're driving it out towards whatever target you want it to be. And they did the Code of Power ritual to disrupt Nazi dowsing, which creates an at a luma, right. I mean you're creating a figure eight every time you're dowsing

Even in Freemasonry, the.

What is it?

The plumb line is a known world access symbol, which reminds me very much of a pendulum.

Right there you go.

So one of the things I was.

Going to bring up as well is, you know Vrill was brought up several times, right, and so I have a take on what's going on there with that. It's been honestly years since I really dove into that information.

You know.

One of the things I heard recently as well is like the well known photos of the women of that society, Maria or Sik and stuff like that, they do look doctored, they really do. It's very very soft, sort of lock in deep than using photoshop.

Damn.

Yeah, while he's frozen, Mario, you froz there for a second. But I mean, I miss far that, But I will agree with you on that. I can't find a lot of credibility to any of those real society pictures.

But what were we saying, right, right, yeah, exactly.

Well, one of the details that really interested me years ago when I was diving through all this stuff was the relationship to al Debaron. And this is a massive royal star in Taurus, right, it's the eye of the bull. So in the Taurus constellation you have two stars that represent its eyes. You have al Debaran or Aldebaran, and then you have Eyeen, which is like Hebrew for I itself, right, And Taurus and bull and cow symbolism has been something

Right.

And so my personal take is that this axis between Taurus and Scorpio is actually a newer modern axis that basically took off during the Solar Age, during heliocentric times. And so with Taurus again you have aldeboron massive royal star, and then opposite of Taurus is Scorpio, and you have in Terras, which is the heart of the scorpion, right.

And so between Taurus.

And Scorpio, it's been referred to as Taurus has been referred to as the I believe the silver gates or the golden gate, can't remember which ones which, And then Scorpio has been referred to as the opposite a golden gate or a silver gate.

Taurus has been referred to.

As basically the gateway to Hell because it is opposite of Scorpio, and its opposite of the galactic center. Right Scorpio, when you're looking towards it, you're actually looking towards the galactic center. So this axis is really important. And so my personal opinion is that actually all of the axis polarity signs in this zodiac are also really important. And so you can look at the zodiac if you're going by twelve signs, you can study the twelve signs. Obviously

The ecliptic.

And so my opinion is that all of these axis polarity pairings actually are all emblematic of the original axis. Basically that this vertical orientation during a more golden age, Hyperborian age, polar age, whatever you want to say, that was the primary axis. It was vertical, and as I said earlier, there was a vertical orientation with the divine and then during heliocentric solar times everything became flattened and

And so the.

Symbolism associated with the northern sky and the world axis literally shifted to Taurus and Scorpio during the solar age basically, And so Guanan has written about this. There's other traditional perennial authors that have written about this about this shift. But I think also all of the polarities, all of the six axises, axes, whatever, they all represent this original axis basically.

So I think this is interesting.

So if you backtrack the symbolism, and I you know, symbolic shift is one thing that I didn't even realize I would get into, but I'm.

Interested in it.

So if you backtrack the symbolism, and we have this group who says that they're in touch with their ancestry or ets from this place in the heavens, and they look, Ariyan, you know, to me, this just echoes back to this northern symbolism basically that we've been talking about, and so to me, that's more of a clearer sort of picture. Also, the northern sky ursa major. If you look at the Dendari zodiac, the Egyptian den de arizodiac, which I know

Yeah, and it's Flenny, it's funny. I'm sorry.

Even if the real society was just a lot of about nothing, a lot to do about nothing, maybe there is something there. I don't want to discount it totally, but let's just say there's no real society. Some of the other the Ata society or in the Two Ley Society. Those guys was, like I said, they were in all

It's funny, ya I was mentioning play.

It is because when you look at plays from the tainos Uh, they usually looked at it as a time for agriculture needs. That's when they usually when the reigning season used to start to begin. But then you have in the Popo Vu which you have the four hundred

Very interesting.

What you said, Tyrone was really interesting to me simply because in Taoism, the nine emperor gods are also considered to be the sons who compose the pliates. Now, this is an ancient ancient like Sean Dai see sort of Daoist proto Daoist pria Daoist idea, but it's continued onward to this day, and they there's a conflation that has happened over the last like two thousand years where sometimes they get associated with different constellations, different planets. It's never

Interesting yeah, you can even go back to the to the Dogone tribe. If you go back to the Dogone tribe, they even connect to the seven seven sisters or the platy system, and that represented men and fish.

So this is very Shiva first appeared to Brahma as a massive poll that stretched thousands of trillions of miles in either direction.

And Shiva can be am in his own piranhas though. That's that's what I was talking about, shocked deep.

Piranhas, right, But I'm just saying, like, very literally, Shiva was a poll at one time to demonstrate how far he could reach in either direction. So I mean that's that's polar symbolism, up, down, left and right.

You know.

Tyrone? You done?

Yeah? What's that was up?

You done?

No?

Oh yeah, I was done.

I was just showing some.

Sources from the Tainos to the to the Popo Vu to the Book.

Of Vena, you know. And I mean you can go anywhere with with.

The seven Sisters and play, because each one of them has their own understanding. But it's a certain part or time in the life where they only worship that that sunrise.

Or that that that star, what you want to call it.

So it's just very interesting because it has to I mean, it goes back to the raining system, season and agriculture. And what was very interesting what he was talking about when he was talking about the cows and bulls and

And some people are known to take that and to eat it and have a psychedelic adventure. I guess you could say.

Right.

And that's why the bulls, the cows and so on and so forth in certain countries, they're they're sacred animals because they're the closest that we can get to what we know as the godhead are outside of our consciousness or something like that. So it's very interesting because in America, UH, they have to inject these cows with certain types of vaccine, so they don't create that enzyme to create that type of enzyme in the poop which would create that that type.

Of mushroom where they can go on a psychedelic trip.

I just want to add a few things here. One that reminds me that I have a book by this woman named Judy K. King and it's called The Isis Thesis, and according to her breakdown, oh boy.

Oh we've lost them.

Uh oh, I think he made a good.

Okay, cool, So Judy K.

King and the Isis Thesis was saying that at one point in time, according to her decoding of the Egyptian hieroglyphs, that the Egyptians had this understanding of going to the Northern Sky upon death, and that they refer to the opening at the Northern sky as the horn of a great bull as well, right tars more more bull symbolism going on up there.

Also.

I just want to mentioned too, if people want my full take on the Pleiades and this whole polar to solar shift and why people associate these things with the bleedies in today's world, I have a presentation called the Palladians, and so you can watch that and it's my full breakdown on that. One of the things I mentioned there is that Atlas, the Greek Atlas who held up the heavens or in modern sort of context he holds up the world, but in old illustrations, he's actually holding up the firmament.

He's holding up the night sky. Basically.

The seven Sisters are his daughters basically. And so to me, what this suggests is that he is a world axis symbol and that he's a pillar basically in the middle of Earth holding up the vault of heaven. But in modern contexts, he's now holding up the world. You know, this is post heliocentrism more than likely, is my guests, right, people did not have this globular, sort of spherical idea of Earth, you know.

Mario, Mario, the bone at the base of your skull is called the Atlas bone, correct, Yeah, because it's holding up the entire skull, the entire night sky, and all of the memories of the Greeks were put into the night sky and the asterisms of these different constellations. So you've got a huge asterism, polar memory constellation crossover between all this stuff.

Yep, yeah, yeah, exactly, for sure.

You've got that head piece of Isis too that always struck me as looking like the Taras symbol.

Mmm.

Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, definitely related. Absolutely.

You know, that kind of reminds me a little bit of if there's an isis equivalent in the tarot, you can make the argument that the High Priestess, you know she sometimes all also has kind of like this head dress sort of thing. It just reminds me of you know, cow horns basically, and she's sitting where always right in between two pillars. She's the transcendental central pillar basically.

What you said about the Seven Sisters, sorry, the seven Sisters. It reminds me of the genetic experiment where they have determined I don't know if it's been modified since, but they've determined that every single human being has come one women. It's called the seven Daughters of Eve theory. And so when they trace back all mitochondrial DNA, they're all traced back to at least one of the seven Daughters of Eve quote unquote women that have ever existed.

Wow.

Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because there's so much overlapping symbolism. God Is symbolism with the number seven is nuts. You know, Virgin Mary had seven Sorrows of Christ or Mary, and then.

Also seven sisters in the constellation.

Yeah, yeah, exactly for sure, there's something else I was going to say about that, but yeah, that's fascinating.

Does that have to do with some sort of there's seven women who have different genetics that produce different types of people.

Well, they have at least traced it back to seven origins of women because mitochondrial DNA, and I'm sure you know mitochondrial DNA is only passed down maternally. So when you look at mitochondrial DNA, you are looking at the maternal line. And if you can trace it all the way back, you can pretty much start to piece people together in terms of what maternal line they're coming from based on haploid groups. And so when they've tried to take it all the way back, they can at least

Yeah, Yeah, I was gonna say, Lady Babylon and the Babylon Star seven point in star has seven's all throughout it. I'm gonna do it at some point. This is probably way too premature to announce anything. It doesn't really matter, But I'm going to do a presentation about Lady Babylon being a Northern goddess. It makes too much sense. It's what the deal is in my estimation. Yeah, yeah, so Sara is there is with Lady Babylon, I would imagine.

The reason I've even put this image up.

Some of the stuff we talked about is actually believe it or not in this image, so like when people don't know like what an occultist is thinking about when they create something in h there's a lot of stuff in this.

The eyeballs in here, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

I was also going to mention to someone brought up the pleats and fish symbolism and whatever. The oceanic aquatic symbolism with the northern sky is completely off the charts as well. And one example of that is the stop the Rishis or the seven rishis, the seven stages being like fishmen or traveling by a fish like as an arc or a boat to Earth. Right, They're always associated, seemingly, you know, with with fish symbolism, in one way, shape

Even in the voyinage, you know.

I thought it was interesting how we talked about the seven sisters had always had seven women, and it was agriculture in a sense. It had all these plants and different shin in it, and there was always they were always green like the women, which made me think of like net sock, and you know, you could have a female I mean, yeah, net sock, so.

Which usual.

Totally totally yeah, yeah, another thing I did.

Want to try it do if possible. I can't forget about it. I wanted to go over the hexagram ritual, but my voice is too fucked up.

If you want, I can you want to talk about Midnight?

Oh no, even the ritual it's called the hexagram, so obviously you get a hexagram. There's the LVX formula. At one point you make the swastika. That ritual existed before World War two, so in a ritual that was used by a lot of magicians already incorporated the hexagram. Because you're you're drawing that as well as you're doing it, and you're throwing up the fucking swastika in it as well.

It's even said.

And then what's interesting is that if you don't want to use the swastika, you can put you one harm up and one that way, and you know, like almost making like now I'm sorting to wonder is that like some sort of access as well or some of a weird thing like it's just to me, you know, instead of making the swastika if that has to do with you know, a polar.

And shit, I don't know.

Oh yeah, I mean so when Crowley released his thought deck, he included three magician cards and the well known Magician card.

There's a pole right behind the magician.

It's almost like he's ascending the pole in one way, right, He's like floating upwards. But one of the alternative versions is a figure the magician in that same position, and I'm assuming it's the same swasika position, and he's nude, so his falluc is showing basically, and so so he's associating that with the Magician card like absolutely, which makes sense because again it's it's a sign of the poll, it's a symbol of the pole.

So here's the mitochondria that mass scientist was talking about the halfa glus and the seven Daughters. You got Ursula, Zina, Helena, Canapera, Swedish Tara or Kentepera Tara, I'm sorry, Velda, Tara, Katrine and Jasmine, and then you got halflo group you hv t kJ and it gives you a.

Breakdown on it. And it was a book that was written by Brian Sykes that talks the daughters of the gene yep.

So now I don't know if it's been updated since, but the last time I remember, I read this book and I remember and it's been controversial that, you know, people have said, no, the way his methodology wasn't correct or whatever, but it's it's held up a little bit more than what people said that it did.

But to me, yeah, I actually did a podcast discussion with a geneticist and I talk a lot about HAPLO group E one B one B with him and it's just very interesting because you know, they take haplo groups from what they consider the closest Homo sapien that we are related to. But the thing is is that I, even as a Homo sapien, our changes have been drastic three.

Hundred thousand years to where we are now.

So what do you really consider on homo safety and sapient and where do you consider that you know, the first half of group to come from, because we know that there's been like what they quote unquote say human light species from around the world. So I mean, you got the seven continents.

I mean, let's just go with that.

Also, I just want to say the number seven correspondence with the North is so strong that if you look at older Latin maps, the north is labeled as sept in trio right, sept as in like septinary septenary number seven, right, And so even there's all sorts of lore and things to talk about with set also basically being related to sept pretty much and September actually being a reference to the number seven, and so it's so intrinsically tied that

So it seems to me like that the seven dollars of Eve doesn't really work with their well, with the out of Africa thing, and you know, just that's just my perspective upon seeing this today. But I saw that they had something of the Swedish groups meant mentioned in there as well. And I'll just throw this in real quick, like that Swedish Norway dynasty possibly started by Odin if we're to believe thor Heyerda's research, they come out of the caucacious mountains, as did some of the Hindu groups

Yeah, And I think one of the things that we have to bear in mind is that the sun wasn't shining as hot as it did today as it did back then. The sun has gone through different seasons, whether it's every eleven years or whether it's every one hundred thousand years. So what we look at in terms of melanistic groups around the world may not have been like that, or they may have been like that depending on the

I think that's important to keep in mind.

The map is not the terrain as well. Right, every model is just like it's an example of something. It may give you a good idea about something, but it's not the actual thing itself. So no matter what map you're talking about or whatever model you're talking about.

So I find it interesting there's the Denisovan subspecies of humans too, and I suppose they're not in that seven, but the Tibetans happen to have like the most trace remnants of Denisovan beings in them, and they also have that tradition. I want to excuse me prediction I wanted to mention before of when the wheel comes to Tibet, it'll be the end of their current current phase of culture. So yeah, the Denisovan strand is interesting. I wonder at least if you know about that.

So they just found recently there's a Didysovan discovery that was just made out of Siberia. It's a forty thousand year old bracelet was found, very well crafted and circular to go along with that what you're saying. So, and if you look up denis Ovan's I mean they kind of look they're kind of look they look like cave people, like some of the drawings I've seen. They wouldn't, you know, cave people don't make bracelets like this.

So yeah, I think also isn't I mean, I don't like, one hundred percent die on the hill of seven dollars of Eve.

It's just a theory.

It's just you know, what the genetic experiment showed at the time when it was when the theory was published. But the other thing is I think we have to look at you you look at bears, you know, polar bears, black bearris, you know whatever. The polar bear is going to be extremely different than the black bear down in Texas. But they are ursa, you know, of genus, and I think that they are adapted to their environment. They have

So yeah, this is reminding me just one way of looking at things symbolically. Some polar i guess advocates, enthusiasts, whatever, I have mentioned this idea that the world tree in the polar Age had seven branches, but in the Solar Age it has twelve, which I think is kind of interesting and symbolically at least relevant.

Well, weren't you saying that there were seven constellations closer to the pole back in the polar Age.

Yeah, I've heard several ways of it being put. I've heard that there's seven seven stationed zodiac close to the pole star, also eight constellations around the pole star, and the example I usually bring up this is probably what you're thinking of, But in one of my resources, the guy was making the claim that there were eight constellations around the pole star in the polar Age, and this was in China, and that each constellation was emblematic of

Is that to you get it? Grab it?

That was for you.

What I don't know.

I thought you were the lord of the trigram.

I don't know.

Oh well, I don't know. It's too much about it.

But it is based on it's the eight multiplied by putting two different trigrams together, so that results in the sixty four potentials. So I mean it's it's and it starts in the Dallas theory. It really goes from what is quite simple when you explain it verbally and uh mathematically if you will. But everything starts with the wuji

Considered.

It goes around the taichi, or rather what we call the yin yang symbol is the taichi, which means the grand and ultimate polarity, which is interesting to this whole phenomenon. And then they was that resulted with the with the eight trigrams, with the eaching, it puts two trigrams together, resulting in the six lines if you will, and the sixty four potentials. U Jin said something earlier that I thought was really interesting, the combining of these two forces

Right, It just we just have to mention the fact too. Whep okay, I think I cut out.

I'm probably back, but you know, just symbols that rotate the wheel, the classic yin yang right symbol, which my understanding too is I think that the primordial way the ancient traditional way is counterclockwise once again, which is interesting. And then also the cancer glyph also looks like it's going counterclockwise, not clockwise. And so it's all the spin of heaven in my opinion, right, the spin of life of all things.

The dice spin dradals two Yep, there you.

Go, which I've heard actually started off as a German thing, that drade were more of a German thing, and then German Jews adopted it. That's my understanding of things. You know, what have you guys ever looked into dradal symbolism, by the way, I'm not I don't know if this is I mean again, if they adopted it or kind of what is it, took it for themselves or whatever cultural appropriation whatever.

I heard one rabbi breaking it down. I think this is so telling that the way he broke it down.

The esoteric symbolism of the dradal is that each side of the Draidl has a different Hebrew letter. Each side of the Dradl represents one of Israel's enemies, and that they constantly are on guard because they're completely they're always surrounded by people that want to kill them pretty much, and that they consider themselves to be the center of the earth, and so the dradal spins just like a

So fuck who jo who even wants to like live thinking like that?

Fuck?

So I had I had my favorite Nazi symbolism pulled up here. So my guy Gods von berd Lichingen, and let me pull him up.

We gotta make this quick, as Viros got a bounce.

Sorry, yeah, yeah, So Gots lived in the fifteen hundreds and he got his arm blown off by a cannon ball, and he was a mercenary soldier who fashioned for himself a fully articulated metal arm, and so they called him Gods of the metal Arm. And he he is known for the Swabian salute, which is licked me in my.

Asshole, And so they told that actually a whole symphony for the Swabian salute, which was him shaking his mental arm at this lord who was trying to.

Invade his castle. So the Nazis decided that this guy was their guy. So they created a whole battalion, the seventeenth Battalion, seventeenth SS Grenadier Battalion. So these guys were representing God's vonn Reerlichingen in the Nazi Wars. But what's really interesting is the connection to this completely different Japanese anime. Right, So there was a.

Oh, elis.

See, there we go.

So have you ever heard of the book called or the anime called Berserk. It's this. It's about this dude who's got a metal arm who lives in this sort of I guess medieval age, right, and so his name is Gots and he's talking about you know, basically, let me take this off the stage. There we go. So somehow this fully articulated metal arm guy who wields a sword because that's that's what he built his arm for,

I got somebody showing up with fake arms. You gotta watch out, I mean, but yeah, I can see that happening now with these though.

That guy was a folk hero. He constructed a metal arm for himself. I mean, there's so much imagery in there. You got evil dead. The guy saws off his arm and then builds himself into one.

He puts enough chains on the end of it, right, Ash, that's great. I think we're gonna wrap it up. I don't know if Mario is still hearing that. Maybe he leave there he is, Mario. Uh, please let everybody know where they can find all your amazing.

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