Fridaze VOL. 25 w/ Austin Picard(Underclass Podcast)

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How do you folks? Your host J J. Vance here back for another Fridays host of Operations GCD and perhaps more notably not the Vice President, back from our Fridays with my co host Nick from the Cult Rejects. Nick, Hey, doing, sir?

What is going on? So I'm doing well and.

Doing doing fantastic? What's going on with the Occult Rejects this week? Anything you're working on, anything you've done this week that's a fun and or exciting.

I was actually recording today finally the audio for Jacob Bomb Shaw I'm doing on Jacob Bomb. So that should Yeah, that should hopefully be done this weekend. Probably won't be out for like a month and a half. But next week I do have the first of many solo shows coming out on Robert Flood. I did that on my own that will be coming out next week.

And can you remind me here Jacob Bowman is besides the sixteenth century occultiest fellow.

H Yeah, I mean that's really all. I'm covering him on his his experience in the books that he wrote, he did get like kind of like excommunicated from the town that he was in because they they were extremely religious, and they end up coming into, like I guess, a copy of one of his books and they were like, Yo, this shit's crazy. You gotta go.

It's heretical, right, and he had he cover his major influence right on.

Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's definitely interesting. It will be a you know a lot of these solo shows I'm doing too, they'll be like, fully, uh, you know, there'll be images on the whole thing, So I mean to watch it. You need not kind to get stuck looking at my face the whole time. It's actually images some of them, the books, engravings. But yeah, definitely check it out. Something new that I'm trying to do like once a month at least, not twice.

That's awesome, that's good stuff. Now, who is this uh George Floyd Fells who was the other guy?

Oh, Robert Flood.

George Floyd Robert rob.

Yeah, I covered him. He was really Uh he's another one from like the early I think sixteen hundreds. Fuck, I forgot already. I was real big on him.

One.

He was into alchemy. But this guy had books back then where he was like drawing pictures of the eyes and the brains, and he was talking about it amongst occultism. So I wanted to like show that, like, you know, you have somebody from back then even drawing eyes and brains in their books going on about matching.

Yeah, I think that's I think that's a very fascinating aspect you've identified there with all this knowledge of especially deep knowledge of the anatomy and biology of stuff, you know, with these within these occult circles at a time when you know, you wonder where they got that from.

Right, Oh, that's what I'm getting at. It's like back then, it's like unless there was some sort of technology that we don't know of now that's real simple or something advanced that's just been hidden from us. But like, how were they? I mean, listen, you can you could be honest, you can cut somebody open and look at it. But I mean certain things this guy was drawing detailed stuff of the eyeballs that like we're just showing now with microscopes. How did you do that?

Then?

Weird dude?

Crystals glass, Like what are you doing?

We got I just want to say, what's up there to land and how you doing they're good, sir. We uh we've had landing on our recent fridays. I'm always uh interested in his you know, I'm always excited about his interest in some of these older topics from a younger generation, specifically some some stuff we're gonna get into tonight with tonight's guests, you know, regarding some uh parapolitics and I ran concert style activities, so and how that

Yeah, we got to Greg Little.

Yeah, definitely Grecmand folks. Check out that one about if you're interested in mounds, go listen to that one with with Greg Little.

You know, it was funny. I normally don't ever get like bad comments, and actually got one today people saying that, like, our science is actually bullshit on that stuff.

Well tell him, I'm not a scientist.

First and foremost it's like, well, I don't know, would you rather have a fantastical story instead of like, I don't know whatever, But uh yeah, no banger of an episode. I highly suggested I do just know tomorrow we will be going live with right a lead talking about uh, Virginia Guffrey, So that should be interesting. Yeah, we got h next.

Week's done a good deep dive into that, right, the whole issue on Virginia guy, not just her death, but you know, her life basically.

Yeah, then we next weekend we have a Cassis and the Tridactyl episode coming out. That was definitely an experience.

That's an exciting one.

Yeah, Unfortunately I did I did, I did edit out his crying, and so I mean that's probably good.

That's probably good. I enjoyed that one and Rider Lee. I always enjoyed conversations with Rider, the host of Raised by Giants, who's we'll be on here again here in the few, well on Fridays. But uh the uh oh ancient alien cargo colts dude, He's definitely enjoy that conversation with a man for sure, and again he does a lot of other great work. But the uh uh what was that all on? The occult rejects anything else up coming next week?

Unfortunately, next week, a lot of the stuff I have, I don't know if you were there, but next week we do have the uh that weird and Paranormal is Britney BARBERII. I'm sorry, I can't remember everybody that's been on the shows that I do. I can't remember if you I think you were on that one actually.

Too right, Yeah, great conversation folks told check out hell yeah.

Yeah yeah, well yeah, that is another thing. I mean. We did have Greg Carwood on recently the Highest Slight Chats this Monday, so if you haven't heard that, I would definitely go back and check that out. It was an awesome episode. It was pretty fucking cool.

Yes, sir, not to I appreciate, appreciate the comments there. You have anything else for us? Their nick?

No, no, no, that's it. I just I see Lando saying something about just hit trend for some of you boys. Trying to master Ron was always my favorite.

You know, Land is a character I like good stuff. But now so you know, before we get to our guests, you're not to belabor the point. I appreciate your your plugs there. I got to operation GCD Live Sundays, my new Patreon show coming up on this Sunday, eight pm Eastern time and every subsequent Sunday at eight pm Eastern time.

I appreciate you guys for having me on, honestly, and by the way, just I think it's it's very interesting as far as it's kind of hilarious, how much. First

Yeah, I just saw bullshit, right, It's all bullshit.

Deliberate deception.

Yeah, that's part of the show to the public public, you know, uh, discourse to discuss these things. We're limited to what you know. Often times we're limited to these subjects with Epstein, like oh, where's the client list? And I'm asking things like what was he doing competing against Peter Deal and funding different AI projects? Of what's that about? You know what I mean? No one's asking that question, right, So you know, I appreciate, I appreciate your spot on.

You think John Dean ordered the second break in to to essentially find out if uh you know his wife Maureen moe Bi Nardine, who was personal friends with Heidie Reichen, who ran the Columbia Plaza, a prostitution operation that was set up the pipeline that was set up to the

Sounds like the DC Madamins. And it's very cricularly some are similar, inn't it.

And John Deane one of the uh you know key he's like a twenty twenty six, twenty eight year old uh you know, white White House advisor for the president and an attorney who had basically made his name by by targeting and prioritizing.

Uh.

These these dissenting anti war advocates at the time, right, who were are dissenting against an opposition to to the Vietnam War, which is also insane because there's there's an interesting story about Carl Schoffler, who was the arresting officer at the Watergate that night, who was just waiting outside

On paper what he did he work for that was he was a calling sure was the Mullen Company and Robert Mullan, by the way, very strange.

His story tied in with the Mormon Church which we've.

Covered a little bit of this on Cult Rejects Mormon Mafia series of Do you know how he loved Yeah, yeah, I do. Actually yeah, I'm a former Mormon also, so was high. But you know, maybe we'll have to convene on some of these matters because he he's got a

Yeah, appreciate you man. So yeah, I'm very bad about doing any real plugs. I did forget that. But uh again, it's just who I kind of am. We call the fans Schitzo Bros. Basically it's essentially our collection of like minded individuals who show up in the chat. But but yeah, basically I'm Austin Piccard. I run the Underclass podcast. Right I started it, It's still very much seems new to me.

There awsoin I mean, how else do you know your own limitations?

Exactly? Yeah, and uh yeah, put me into I definitely backed myself into a few different corners that but again,

And so then I was kind of awesome. Man, if I might ask Alston, how old are you? Thirty thirty two, I'm thirty three? Yeah, thirty three old? Damn it. I was pretty close. You're but yeah, you're dude, You're far wiser than most of your peers.

Thank you, brother.

I appreciate that. I you know, I think I think the way you're just describing how you he got into your podcast, I'm not sure, you know. I'm just my assessment of conversations with Nick how he and I both you're sharing how he and I both got into a podcasting, you know, more so offline, but having these discussions. But it sounds, you know, it sounds very similar to what

Like to, you know, you try to share some of these ideas with folks.

In your life that you know already family or friends from other coworkers are like, what's wrong with you? Now, I'm not talking about Nazis. Want to talk about Nazis and Satanism. No, it's a process, dude, it's not. They're both Nazis and Satanism. Like, oh, here we go, now we're doing Nazis and Satanists. You're exactly Yeah, that's way too much.

Yeah, and uh worse than that, you start to question or you know, throw out potential realities of Hitler being a mind controlled gay prostitute in Vienna in nineteen oh seventh, nineteen fourteen, which is just so funny.

It's the molder. Then he goes into military intelligence, you know, I mean, against the same kind of old we're describing here in large part when when at least when I reference things like the process, I mean, I kind of what you're describing kind of fits the mold is what I'm thinking how I describe those things, and that is more or less the pros I mean literally the process

It seemed like the tool society utilizing these the you know, it's like areosophy was was a part of the occult ideology that they were apparently utilizing, which a lot of it, uh stemmed back to Helena Blovatsky, right, And.

And yeah, so I'm glad you said that. So And in reference to Tomorrow's conversation with Ryder Lee, I didn't want to spoil alert on his work, but he he kind of looks the way you were describing that. He kind of. I was on the show last week. We briefly discussed it. He kind of viewsed this Virginia Goofray situation or giufray and she never really left that system that you were describing. She was born into and this her husband was a handler. So he's done a lot

Yeah, I think like Lavatsky people like and Thelamites or ot. Yeah, just from my my opinion, just from you know, looking at Crowley stuff as much as he you studied it, I think, by opinion, I do think a lot of that UFO bullshit is is is done by occultists especially Oh, that's.

Just John is a great example of that to exhibit that point here in modern times.

That's another one, and that's an A. Peter Lavenda works with him, and he's in the O T O there you go. I mean, there's videos of him actually in rituals, so I'm not even making that he's the one who came up with the term U A P.

You know, he's the one who's behind the tow the Stars Academy with Tom DeLong and Peter Lavenda. He's been running the d n C since they offer what's his name, Vince Falster back in ninety four or whatever. He sees power in the White House Legal Council Office at that point and he's been running it ever since. So you know, he's clearly the cultist. And you can even find him

Yeah, absolutely, and I think that, you know, knowing Alan Dulls and the psychological operation aspect of what they attempted to achieve within the framework of the UAP phenomena, the

Yeah, that's that's that seems to be the kind of the overarching project. They are all all these various seemingly disparate groups are collectively working on together. And I like to joke around, since they're ancient only your cargo cults, they're gonna one day come together like Voltron and hopefully blast off of this planet because I'm sick and tired of these books for these folks.

Oh yeah, no doubt man, and uh kool aid, and.

I know that.

Uh the way that I kind of came across the process.

Was it was so I'm glad you read them on.

It was an interesting kind of slow burn that led me into that direction, which which began with really jonestown, I think, uh more than than anything, because that's what kind of made me question, uh, the the Warren Commission, as far as like the the uh these this alleged false discloses, sure that which basically seemed to take place in my mind as far.

As wmitted to hang out kind of disclosure right exactly.

We're intended to believe that that this was a government accountability and and and that they effectively ended and uh and obviously ended these programs in Cleindestine programs afterward. But clearly, right in my mind, that actually transpired, right and.

Right now, that's that's a great point. It's and I was just gonna say, it's kind of like the the propagame and narrative from every book published about about the process, every documentary made about the process. The process Church, you know, disbanded in nineteen seventy four exactly when you know, you know just as well as I do from looking at

That's the same way I found of the process too. That's you. I heard that and then and then I you know, years later I got into podcasting, really didn't remember it. And honestly, if it wasn't like for you and Dan, I wouldn't have known jack shit about the Process church again because like you were saying before, nobody's really talking about it.

Now, it's talking about.

It or not in depth. You'll hear about it, but nothing like what you guys do.

Yeah, and did some great interviews with like some folks that were there, like Gim detective Jim Rawls, Like the folks will definitely go check those out again. I committed them last time, so I hope I don't get a nice email for committing him this time. But the again, I like it. I don't you know, I don't know, so you know, the rejects like folks to check out Jim Ralstein for sure. This is the dude who is

Connection to Charles Manson was just like the extraordinary stuff, you know, yeah, especially that you have these these members of of the Process that are going in actually meeting with with Manson and then coming out on the other end with an issue for Process magazine right called the death issue. And and then what they they met with what's his name that that wrote that ridiculous book? And then uh uh and then Tom O'Neill had a run in with him. Ah what was the name? Uh uh.

But anyway, still he he, Well, I think that's what you rering up some good points with Tom O'Neil, and this kind of narrative of how these things are still not being described properly. So to that point, I you know, folks, wuch I got historical stuff. I highly recommend at Opperman's work on his Opperman Report. But like I said, if you want to, you know, an updated stuff, I think you did a great job. I know Dana, I know folks are familiar with Dana and Dodo All Rodney Jewels.

She does.

You know, her her team do some spectacular work on documenting a lot of these things. So like, you know, she's done a great job of finding a lot of the the piecing together a lot of these things. But to the point of aren't being discussed right. You know, you have Tom O'Neill. He publishes a book that takes him twenty years on Charles Manson, he does not include the process. Are you kidding me? Also, well, it took years, three years he couldn't find the process in there.

Yeah, now that that honestly, we we know what a limited hangout looks like. And h in my mind, it's it's it just seems, yeah, Dana's she. I do believe she's effectively the gold standard on the process right now in the alternative media landscape because she's really, at the very least she's she's prioritizing it and effectively spotlighting it

This is this the is this the doctor the Jeffer McDonald case referring to it sounds absolutely.

Doctor Jeffery McDonald was the first one that well beyond David Berkwitz obviously was doctor Jeffer McDonald. The Fort Bragg murders just was an extraordinary case that I stumbled upon. And and by the way, yeah, ed Ed Opperman, he he interviewed Jeffery McDonald's current wife, right, who Yeah, who who?

Based? Yeah, I think that's great. I'm actually gonna send clips of this that ab and just just you know, I'm committing I'm still again. I hope I'll get a nasty message in return. But everybody don't want anyone else to send him me commending him. I wanted at least me to send it to him, but no, he does.

So obviously you have to consider the fact that who founded the process was Robert de Grimston and Mary M. MacLean, who are very much affiliated with scientology, and so I think just knowing the fact that they were personal friends with obviously with l Ron Hubbard, who I believe is definitely affiliated with intelligence, if not a direct intelligence operative.

And uh, and I think I like to say it kind of comes out of O and I network when we're talking about these warring factions of intelligence agencies. You know, he's got that kind of and I background, right.

Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, Office of Naval Intelligence. It's typical more than within the context of a lot of these cases. And by the way, that just came up recently in terms of Waco, which blew my mind. I couldn't believe it.

I didn't off your description. I do apologize, but yeah, I think that is a it's an important factor when we're considering these feuding I call them lack of intelligence satancies. But you know, I think that it plays into because they do operate into this these could you know spheres like you're describing me. That's the origin of you know, what's going on here. But yeah, apologize to continue.

Oh no, you're good. I just I do think that the philosophy of the process is very interesting because again it's like you you consider the fact that you have like these three different these these three separate gods that are represented, and also you you have these uh subgroups like the Jehovah's uh, you have the Luciferians, you know, and and you have which are It's very interesting the difference within the context of what they represented, right, because

In their ordinances to like life and you know everything. They're not like the the freaky Satanists, right exactly exactly.

And the Luciferians in contrast us where they they were basically a lot more involved with sex magic and and sex rituals, and so they they viewed they advocated sensuality and tranquility and and uh like druggle and do storagies is essentially what they were embracing, a free use of narcotics. And so then you have the Satanists who clearly you know they they were attempting devil worship in every way,

About the acolytes being their actual term right for some of their members.

Yeah, absolutely, And the gray forces of moderation was a very interesting aspect of something that they would that they would discuss, but it was it was strange to me because obviously you have these different branches that would would effectively converge for the final judgment which would mark the end of the world, and so that that was the doomsday come together like Voltron right, Yeah, which again it's like, uh, you know, with the Order of the Solar Temple is

These always serious man, it's always serious every freaking time.

That so serious, but.

It is it's fascinating stuff because they would have these ascended elders that that would come down in the ots and a parent only they were utilizing. They actually had like a Hollywood special effects producer who was who was who was one of the right hand men of Joseph de Maambro and was behind the scenes behind a curtain like producing these special effects. So the members who had just taken uh some form of of LSD or or something of Yeah, so they were and then and then

Was definitely uh magic like even the magician pulling the rabbit out of the hat stuff.

Going on exactly. Yeah, and and uh, you know, even Princess Grace Kelly was effectively tied in with the ots and I didn't realize that she had been like initiated through a sex ritual where they like used these what's it called where where the the uh where they put the needles in the points in uh culture, Yeah, acupuncture. So basically they specifically use these actually acupuncture needles to

Yeah, for folks, you don't know who Grace Kelly is. She's an American actress who married the Prince of Monaco. That little weird, little weird country.

And he's tied directly into essentially the Ross Kruscian order in in in Monaco and was had effectively, uh apparently helped incorporate the OTS at that time in in uh in Monaco. And so it makes a lot of sense that he would be that Princess Grace would be affiliated, and apparently she was.

There's a lot of royals in these cults, right, it's not even wanted. This is not the only there's not one off situation. There's a lot of next nexium the process. You know, everyone likes to have their little royal situation in these things. And again I would actually argue next to him as the Albany chapter of the process would have evolved into. But we can get into that a little bit later, right, So, No, I appreciate, I appreciate

Right, And I think that, uh, when they they kind of absconde to Mexico after they leave the UK, it's very interesting to me because you have the Metamorals cult in the hand of Death cult that, yeah, it seems

Sure, Yeah, that's a great point. If I may my piggyback on that real quick, I want to put a note back there in you know, before we got you know before well, let's start with Jones down there, because you made some great points there. So Jonestown I think is interesting in the way in that regards your saying I didn't know that's how you found the process. That's also interesting. But it's definitely it's definitely in the same same, uh,

Absolutely it's it's it's so ridiculous, honest. But you know, by the way, we have a Kamala connection as well, right essentially because of Brown exactly.

For folks not familiar with, one of the clean up crews in the Jonestown situation was the fellow by the name of Dan White, a former SF San Francisco p D officer turned h you know, councilman and h he walked into the office of the mayor with Harvey Milk. And remember the Sean Penn film Milk. I'm sure you know they you know that cause is son idol in the the Q community. I called it Q like lgbt Q,

Yeah, right, man, I'm telling that.

And as a result of that, Diane Feinstein became instead of a lieutenant mayor or deputy mayor, she then became the mayor as a result of this assassination. And uh, you know this is at the same time she hired that Chinese spy as or driver. It turns out back there around nineteen eighty again. And also you know, she was so looney tunes that even the folks of San Francisco would not elect her, speaking of Kamala right, see, she serves that same attribute. Even the folks out there

But oh yeah, and by the way, and.

I want to the other pen was the Metamorro so but yeah, please go please go ahead.

Oh, I just uh, there was another assassination of a diplomat in in DC. Was it through a car bomb? I'm trying to remember.

Yeah, uh that spot actually DuPont Circle.

Yeah yeah, yeah, So connections with Colonia Digna dead and this Nazi safe haven through these Cleindestine rat lines that had been set up post World War two, and basically Colonia Dignidad was where they essentially were carrying out war crimes in Chile. Yeah, don't drink the kool aid, man, but it was flavor Aid. But it really upset that if you call it kool aid in the nerdy Jonestown community because it was technically flavor Aid, it was the

Evan's Gate right there. I thought we were going to catch a Lea's coming exactly.

And uh. And he pleads to them by saying, you know, don't you all want to die? Uh? You know, good God believing, so.

You want to be right with the Lord, right.

Yeah, yeah, And it's it's very interesting, but you have all the rest of them already in kind of a frenzy shouting her down, shut up, like it's good. It's

He was a CI operative as well, the one that was on the airstrip and survived exactly.

And by the way, I think the entire right, and when you look into the family that was involved, because it's very interesting in terms of Jonestown specifically because if you get into the the details of Larry Layton and his father who technically was in charge of of he was basically in charge of psychological operations and and MK ultra at a certain level basically because he was running yeah, this advanced medical so basically where was this out of this is uh uh, let me pull up Larry Layton

It's very interesting when when you're saying stuff like that again and back to this next the situation again, I'll go into it later when we get the go backs processed. Situation. We'll get there eventually, but to that chronologically speaking, but just while we're on the subject. So next to hum it was often undescribed. Again, these things that go undescribed, even though these topics are you know, everyone knows the

Yeah, And it all gets really fucking weird, it out of control.

And it seems like the victims, as always are not targeted, right I mean, I'm sorry, not random. You have a Dea agent son right in the Matta Morros victim list. He's the one who spawned the investigation. Really, And it turns out that that old Adolpho Costanzo was reporting directly to the head of Intrepol in Mexico and he was apparently running off. He was helping Costanzo infiltrate into these different drug uh cartels, right, which he'd already done two

Opinion, seriously man, and uh, yeah, it was Larry Layton's dad. I found this very interesting because he was basically the So he was the biochemist in charge of the US Army's chemical warfare program at its Doug Waye Building ground in Utah, in Utah.

Yeah, so he's kind of doing a Frank Zappa's dad situation, but he's not an Edgewood Arsenal's isn't right.

And and it's very interesting because all the large amounts of psychoactive mind controlled drugs found on the site of Jhonestown, Uh, sodium pentathal, diazepam, thora zine, Larry Layton exactly. And Larry Layton, the lieutenant who became the only person charged in any of the killings, also a key member of the airstrip

And uh and basically go ahead, go ahead, no, go ahead, No, you're good, buddy, I know I was going to Can you please describe who that is? Yeah? Please go right.

Yeah, So he essentially was was a part of Project Phoenix or the Phoenix operation right and what and and basically was uh what was tasked with training and goal and rebels on this black site which then became Jonestown, the People's Temple of Jonestown and the remote jungles of Guyana right on the the uh right on the border of Venezuela believes what what borders which is very interesting as far as the geopolitical context of of that playing

Up because I do want to get into Idaho and that's obviously a very similar event in recent history. And I to have regarding all these.

Matters, definitely, and I won't forget to just to explain Colston Westbrook a little bit, but it's still interesting as far as the fact that you have Colonel bow Gritz claiming as a as a former Special Forces Green Berray commander that he was he was told by Green Berey, you know, special Forces operatives that were called to the site of the People's Temple agricultural project in Jonestown, and that he was told that this was a clean up crew for MK Ultra and that this was an m

And he's like.

Man and one of one of the most radical congressmen I've ever read about. I can't even imagine a congressman doing something like this in modern day. He was going in covertly into uh the prison complex in in California, and he was, uh, he was attempting to go in as a prisoner to to effectively understand how the the you know, they were treating prisoners at the time, and so he's he's going under cover and like uh uh into these uh maximum facilities which which were just like

So that's the end of the day, and that's that's kind of where my way, that's where the problem. We can circle back to the Pross. Your explanation is great. I love how you're connecting all of these things because I do view them as all connected to these military

Know of this story? Man?

No, no, dude, I was when when you were describing. So I was downloading a lot of pictures to show you so from my phone here. So Alur Loansing was a congressman. He was a congressman with him and Rummy as he called him, they were a junior congressman together, and then he was a Democrat. Rummy was a Republican. This is the sick.

Losing Grandmain's got you right.

It's a perfect window and to how they coexist, right, to manufacture that kind of illusion, the two party delusion right there you here in bag.

By my back. As I said, here, I got cut out, filled with my WiFi situation there, so help me bring up Lowan. See. So you know, like I said, he's tied with rum Spell and whatnot. But we find out after he's murdered in nineteen eighty that he was a CIA agent the entire time. He's a congressman, and no one, no one bats and eye at these things. And I'll and I'll make a point here in a moment, how

Oh my gosh, so that is insane. I know.

Uh well, the Thleen mc favor was the University of Yale University's librarian asking John Podesta for a one on one meeting with Barack Obama. That was the thelemic favor.

Wow your library?

What Yeah?

Right?

Weird? Right? That is so much like dentists do. I think the librarians are just fucking as sad like Assassin's waiting in the wings. Right. You're also you've probably seen a lot of this weird dentist activity around a lot of these uh these cult networks right specifically around Madson and you know, hypnotists, dentists, there's a lot of creepy, little weird professionals. I think, like that's a dangerous person.

But Tim McVay as well, Yeah, yeah, I found something

Would not die.

He had in the large molar I think is where

It's very mysterious, you know, if folks like to think it's cut and dry, and it's not.

As it's fascinating stuff. But the whole reason I even brought it up was because I found out about this insane there's this insane series of photos uh that that were in uh basically in Time magazine in in this it's very strange because it seems like, uh, this has a direc tie into Sirhan Sirhan basically being so Henry loose ran Time whenever this this these pictures were taken where they were in apparently they were in Grand Central Park, right,

Yeah, has got a lot of interesting connections done, even sides Rosicrucianism and whatnot and everything else in that nineteen seventy four s report placing him So I want to just ask your opinion less placing him at the scene of the Tate Polanski him doing sex magic rituals with an English quote unquote English satanic cult. That's the process. So that would be May, that would be circum late May or early presumably late May of nineteen sixty eighty

Interesting. Yeah, that's amazing, especially considering how you know, if you think about John Markham, I found this very interesting. Yeah, he has direct connections to satanic murder and right, which is is very strange, the Laruge trials and and all

Right, Well, May Austin, So John John Markham, he did incorporate them in New York before that he incorporated them I'm sorry San Francisco, but years prior to that he incorporated them in New York. I believe it was seventy two when they moved a pound Ridge. So he's working for them for over twelve years. Then, like you're saying, he leaves office, goes to the US Attorney's office, is

Yeah, yeah, and I charged with.

Fraud, right and they and they send the Process attorney after him, and he's publishing in This is a weird dynamic the folks, so I think really need understand. This is the very same time the Roosh is publishing in his publications. How John Markham is an attorney for the same Satanic military intelligence spook operation that he's trying to out exactly. It's you know, he's like, is anyone not paying attention to this? So you know, obviously he's friends

And I had no real understanding as far as the Yeah, we know, obviously the RFK assassination is perfectly implicated in terms of the process involvement. But I had no realization of the JFK assassination. Uh basically was was uh it blew my mind, honestly, that bler Yeah, dude, And and well.

If we may close out on Bill well here and uh, you know, at least put a paw on there. Bill Weld Society, Cincinnati Family. I'm not saying he's a member, but the Welds basically run the Massachusetts chapter. They started Harvard, et cetera right there. Their home was on a mound world manor it was that was that was the chapter that was kind of the the Wars of seventeen seventy six. That was the headquarters kind of in Massachusetts was the Weld home. So very powerful family. And again he hires

And it's crazy to me because you just consider the fact that, you know, obviously these are the usual suspects involved with the vast majority of what seems to be I think this really implicates this wider clandestine intelligence international network that was that was essentially kind of implemented post World War two, very whack and huts, the same thing in my you see.

A guy that is allegedly a member of the Process on his board, so you know, obviously they're not the process you had at this point in time with permandex. But in you know, in the early sixties when Jim Garrison's investigating, specifically in charges board member klay shawl right and famed Garrison Investigation and Jaff Kay assassination. Klay Shaw's associate besides mafia boss Joseph Bonano was on that board was Roy Cone, who David as a member of the process.

Hold on, say say that one more time, because David Burkewitz, you already know, was claiming that Roy Cohne was running human compromise operations in his home in Massachusetts with these various parties that he was having and that the Process was providing young children for those very for those very parties of sexual first sexual blackmail.

But in David Burkeowitz signed a memorandum in ninety six witnessed by multiple parties including Mary Terry, saying that he witnessed Roy Cone ben to roy Cone's house and apparently roy Cone was the inn at Studio fifty four. Folks often won, well, how did David burke Whitz get into Studio fifty four, as he claims, well, it seems that that was Roy Cones official office, so he had kind of taken over ownership and more or less ownership of that.

Not only you know Ham his bo you're saying that was said.

Burke, was said a Beam's son, and multiple staffers were part of the part of there, and I was, yeah, I would have served. One of those staffers was Roy Cones law partner who was also represented the Studio fifty four owners and numerous hood rat shit. So you know a lot of me said there with those weird dynamics, right for sure, we're definitely definitely Roy interesting character. Yeah, he's on the he's on the board of permandecks and

Lee Harvey Oswald's double Kerry thorn Yes, dude, I was about to bring him up because that is the direct connection of the process with the death assassination in my mind, And and.

That's absolutely is. I think Discordianism his little religion. I don't buy their bullshit narrative of how it started. I view it as a offshoot of the process within this whole military spook apparatuson. You know, I think Garrison did too. So Garrison would follomy throughout his life. He would follow Thornley to Atlanta, you know, Atlanta circa nineteen seventy nine.

That's exactly my god, Man, you're you're you're blowing my mind because of course that is exactly where I'm at personally in this moment. I'm investigating the Atlanta child murders. That's going to be my next upcoming episode, because I just couldn't even believe that. Of course, allegedly the process the way it was explained, but I think it's far

Bit more complex than Now York. That is an accurate description.

That's an abscription, right, And I think that as far as the honestly, I think that the way that Detective Jim Rosstein was kind of viewing that all at the time as well, was kind of he was trying to figure it out as he went, and so he the way that he viewed it was that there was a specific cell that he was investigating that I think maybe had potentially fled the area after he was investigating the the Undermeyer Park connections to the Devil's Cave and all

One note, if I may, if I may, their Austin, so I know folks often get tripped up on this, the uh, interchangeable usage of Alsatian and German shepherds. It's the same breed. They just during the World War Two the British were like, we can't call these things Germans anymores, We'll call them Alsatians.

That's so funny. But yeah, that and there's directly yeah, exactly, and and there's the same uh, there's a tie in directly to kind of the Nazi occultism aspect of of a lot of the philosophy playing out as far as the loyalty tests with the Alsatian dogs, which I found very interesting because of course they would have members of the s S. They would give them, gif them puppies, and these these German shepherd puppies, and then they would raise them and have to execute them at a certain point.

I mean you have if you don't mind, will you impact that though a little bit? Because Nick and I keep looking at all these various animal sacrifice set for the dog stuff, and yeah, we prebly communicate offline conversations like trying to bounce ninety is like, what is really the rout of all this animal sacrifice stuff?

Right?

Why are they so focused on German shepherds?

Yeah, it is very strange and and uh and by the way, remember that story of Rudolph hes like apparently uh, putting on the rope that had all these ancient ruins all over it and he's having these like uh magical bars with Aleister Crowley at the time, allegedly and that he yeah, he like decides that he's going to board uh. Uh Cessna essentially and fly into the UK and he gets shot down over the UK airspace and it was put instantly into prison. But it was very strange.

He was going to meet with the British royals then, right, because there was the British Royals who were supporters. Right, that was the story, right, Yeah, that's the slot King Charles Uncle, right exactly.

And but again it's like with these the strange stories, and in terms of these Alsatian dogs, it does seem like it was one it was far easier to of course, you know, get access to these these animals that would wouldn't have any sort of real uh tie to anyone looking out for their well being or concerned about the you know, the ultimate consequence of what might happen to the dogs once they were actually you know, taken in by the organization and utilized for the blood ritual sacrifice.

Interesting I think the mad scientist of the occult rejects here Lisa Is, proposed a similar hypothesis regarding these are some of them there were some level of something blood with how they get connected to folks, but there were some some function with dogs at their high they had higher concentration of some chemical release in the bonding. I think she she she had a very I'm doing a horrible job. She had a very scientific explanation for these things.

Yeah, I think so. And uh, I remember that Mary Terry brought up the Stanley Baker, right, the cannibal who who? That always blew me away because this was all in

Al you know, I always challenged folks who question these things. I'm like, just go on, look at newspaper searches specifically for Putnam in Westchester County in the seventies. You're gonna find an inordinate, just a wild amount of you know, forty dead German shepherds found at one time. I think it is one newspaper article, right, one, like, you know, the remains of forty dead German shepherds, right.

Yeah, yeah. And that's what really was so crazy about Detective Rothstein being tipped off by his CI, by his criminal informant at the time, because he shows up in Untermeyer and he just discovers this mass grave of German shepherd dogs and instantly I believe there was a there was a building that was affiliated with the process, the local chapter, that was very near that area where he discovered that mass grave of German shepherds that were near the area of the Devil's Cave, which made a lot

That's interesting because Burka Witz identify as Herman Slater or the owner of that bookshop, as a member of the process and the children offshoot of the process. And you know, Maury Terry would famously go on TV, you know, debating Herman Slator numbers. You know, Mary Poevitch kind of shows their in early nineties. You know, Herman Slator was like, oh, it's all satanic panic. Well, now you can see why

Book. Yeah.

And in regards to Atlanta, are you familiar this is actually from her way back machine files. She's got less than our link tree. Have you familiar with this report from the Kelly Private Detective Company. I'll make it bigger in regards to the Atlanta and the comparisons of the Atlanta child killings and the Son of Sam murders, since we were talking about both.

I don't think I've seen this blung this up.

It's called that, isn't it. It's called the U. Let me see I get a bigger Here we go the g. Kelly and this is the cover letter for the report. We'll go over some of the details. This is the March of nineteen eighty two. So this is like right at the end of the Atlanta child killings, right, what was the what was the dates?

Yeah, that's that is exactly the dates. I mean, honestly, if you as far as it was seventy nine to eighty one. So yeah, that's that's perfect timing, you know what I mean. So apparently this g Kellan Associates. It is a big kind of a corporate kind of PI firm situation. I used to run a PI firm, but it was just makes it's nothing comparatively speaking, but in close please find an addendum to our original report on

So apparently they were hired to, you know, to investigate the Alan child mergers. And again this is a firm out of Kingston, New York, so you got in again. They were in their report they compare the it's on the same end Atlanta child mergers. I'm sure Mary Terry was connected with these folks contemporary to this time. But I'm just saying, like it's new information for many people, you know.

Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. And when you consider the fact that you have that the Satanic cult connection to the process came up with Shirley McGill, that was the the interesting tie in vehicle. Shirley McGill, she's a Miami

Which is really just Michael theevis right.

Exactly, which is really just Don David Norman's Odyssey Foundation in many ways as well, because that was a huge facet of kind of I think that's a massive tie in to the pedophile underworld kind of linking John Wayne Gacy pill Phil Paski, who very much yeah, who knew.

As Brown Jim Rawstein's source that took him to enter Meyer Park.

Brother Paul Banassi from the Franklin Scandal claims that John Wayne Gacy and Phil Paski were entirely implicated in the abduction of Johnny Gosh, which ties in obviously Jacob Wetterling all these paper boy the paper boy fetish that was apparently this was so the paper boy fetish I forgot.

That would not surprise me. If the network of these folks is really that small, people are like, oh, those are household serial killer names. There's no way they're all involved. But yeah, but that's why their household serial killer names.

That's what I think. Besides the legal stuff that the Process Church is doing, I think the occult side of that is also helping sell a different image to the public of what's really going on for that love magicians do.

Oh man, I've seen many different claims. Now, I do believe that there's obviously, uh you know, a major at least there is definitely a group of individuals involved and faffiliated with the cult networks that that obviously believe this ideology and practice this philosophy and truly genuinely authentically or are pursuing, you know, these principles, but these occult principles.

Yeah, you know what, I think they're so good at it now that they make money off of the bullshit story that they're even selling to the public.

For sure. Oh yeah, Nix's done a good job at tracking. That's he's on the something of that for sure. And it makes sense because that is, that is my opinion how the process functions economically speaking, And you know, I don't want to I don't want to go on a weird economic tangent here for everyone else's it's fucking boring. But listen to my esso terrapor of the film and Hair Advice, and I describe how the film and hair advice is describing the process and the economic ass I love.

Inherent avice actually like the Paul Thomas Anderson is one of my favorite directors of all time. Now I'm not at all, you know, kind of like giving a character analysis of who I think he might potentially be as an individual, But I do think that his art work, like.

I need my approach is that in way like I like to watch Tom Cruise play. It's all man who knows how to fight on right. He's often.

Right, Oh dude, Magnolia. That's one of my favorite all time roles of Tom Cruise. He's just giving seminars on how to be the most the drimp piece of ship mail that you can possibly attempt to be combat to the point where they make this.

A utilitarian literal you know, literal term of the process is utilitarian speaking, and they don't. There's not a portion of the hog that's not unused. They use all of the hog. That's how That's how I say it. So Yeah, for example, with the phone and mar advice, you see them. The same cult that's bringing that has infiltrated the political and law enforcement aspects of Los Angeles has now also imported.

Dude, That sequence of Martin short as the dentist as the dentist and he goes into the then they get pulled over by the cops. It's one of the funniest scenes honestly that I can remember.

Oh dude, that movie is so brilliant. I'm so glad. I'm still glad to know you've seen that you enjoy it, because I've only ever met one other person and that's right, the person you got compared to at the beginning of this here at tonight's show alsin Recluse, mister steven Snyder. He also shares an affinity of this film and that, in fact, that's who I've done the review with.

Wow, man, that's amazing. I didn't even realize, but yeah, it's it's a fascinating film, and I for some reason I was it was very appealing to me from the first moment I ever even but without any real context, it was blowing my mind. And just that I had a very high appreciation for the comedic value of it as well, because honestly, it is very funny.

But it's one of it's literally my I mean, what you're saying is it's just it's music, myers. It's literally the same thing I think about the film, and a lot of people ship on the film like it's it's my favorite, it's positively my favorite movie. You really exactly from I guess. I was a former After I retired from the Air Force, I ran a private textive agency

Right exactly? The fog, the fog sequence with On Wilson, and it's like.

The whole Yeah, it's a brilliant movie. Dude made movie. So what you're as we're on the subject. So you see Wilson in this kind of co intel pro situation, right, he's a Laurel Canyon musician who faked his death. And you know he was a surf sax player, but he was still a Oral Canyon musician who fakes his death.

Right, So he's he's clearly Operation Chaos with the CIA.

Right.

Oh yeah, dude, yeah. And then Josh Brolin's character as well, which is just.

That's one of my favorite I'm a big Brolin fans and scoonies, but that's one of my bro Let's I mean, he absolutely kills it. Not seeing this film at all, I mean, it's ah, it is. It is obviously not designed actually to be a comedy, but was also point out it's it's quite. It's quite comedic very much.

So it's it is. And it also provides a window into how clandestine operations work domestically and how they kind of utilize these assets put them into position, you know, once again, kind of the deliberate deception you see Owen Wilson's character showing up these politically televised events and causing this this right as if he's the face of political dissent in this in this very fashion, and it's obviously an entirely staged event, and and he himself is absolutely

See like that's a great question, I know that's something that can I certainly discussion. I apologize to go ahead of saying we definitely talk about these subjects for sure.

Right whenever you see like institutions play is that unknown for like you know, putting shit out there, there's always like an occultists like involved. There's always like a government,

That's a great point that it's kind of down as money laundering Iran contra operations to go with these matters, and what I would again assert is kind of going on with the Idaho contrace situations. But you know, when I say we talked about these things offline, I mean like literally like an hour, like two hours before the show started. Nick and I have a conversation literally talking about how there's always these occult magicians involved in all

Absolutely, man, and and uh.

Listen to that conversation. Also, is that why you asked that question? Literally like right now, literally like we talked it may not even two hours, maybe been an hour like that's literally.

No, It's nice.

It's nice to hear other folks reaching that kind of same conclusion. With things because so really, you know, I mean obviously, you know, even with the conspiracy culture, I don't think I think a lot of folks will chase the shiny objects, you know.

And that is very yeah, I think that. Yeah, I know, it's it's kind of it's something that's very refreshing to be able to have a conversation like this man, Like, I appreciate you guys very much, because this is why I started to talk to Yeah, I was so desperate to have worthwhile conversations that are passionately and objectively pursuing

I mean, what you're describing also is precisely why Nick and I even started this Friday show. Was you know again, because we don't have any really agenda or plans. We just see whatever the guests of whatever podcast host or content creator we're having on that week, whatever they're interested in,

No doubt and and modern Babylon is how I see it in many ways, And you know, man, it's it's very disturbing once you kind of like realize the level of of sadism involved with a lot of this underground occultist Sure it's not even just the occultist framework. I kind of think once again, it's like you look at a Michael Lokino and the Mind War and the Psychology of Victory, and you're like, is it's is the Temple of Set just an intelligence cut out that to some extent.

And parcel look go ahead, No, I was just saying, it's part and parcel. Right, it's the same, That's what I'm saying. I think a lot of times we get too wrapped up on these names when they say they're the Temple of Set, and like, well, I saw I look at things fundamentally speaking, like you know, garbage GCDs a garbage can dude. But you know, I also like to say it's the greatest common denominator because that's how I kind of look at all crime in general, but parapolitics,

From my experience in the ot O, I think that there's a possibility that that CIA is some agency's involved in that.

At this point, it's all the same stuff. So when we're and look at a keyno, so we're on a keno. You know, Nick, you've done a lot of work on Lansdale on your sh that was kind of the predecessor, right, and yeah it was.

A keynote before ken Yeah.

Yeah, that that dude had people speaking of the magic. Right. Can you describe some of the Lansdale magic we're talking about with deceiving people?

Yeah, uh, well there's a few of them. One they were I don't know if it was helicopters of planes, they were flying those over like these uh these villagers' houses and they're like, you know, playing like all these like ghosts, sounds and all these like weird noises and basically telling them like if you kept on uh I think housing I don't know if they're called the Husks

Idea, you did that, right, and added his whatever his weird Satanism stuff on top of that.

Right.

But then technically those guys learned from a fellow by the name of Paul line Barger. So during World War Two there's a guy who named Captain Paul line Barger. He wrote the US Army Manual on Psychological Warfare called the US Army Manual on psychological warfare, not a fancy title. He was college roommates with l Ron Hubbard. He was also labor later part of that same science fiction writers

They here's of deception, my friend. That is all that I consistently witnessed as far as I'm concerned, knowing the fact that all of the flying Saucer mythology comes from essentially the the Agape Lodge in many ways, like it very much does. And that's fascinating me. Jack Parsons, cal Tech rocket pioneer, high priest of the OTO you know at the time and obviously until he had the falling out allegedly with Alistair Crowley, which how many of these

I'm glad you brought that up. And and again, well I not. I don't hate to keep plugging my show. But I unpacked some of those false narratives around that whole agape Lodge, the interactions and dates around Hubbard and all these things last week on the show Operation GCD lot of the DC Marvel Comics, the Limit fan fiction, because you know, there's a lot of me said there wen't We don't still understand. Are you familiar with the name Frank Molina.

Yeah, yeah, I am right.

So then there's Parson's number two and that's Lane Maxwell's sister in law's father in law.

Right, dude, it's never ending. And this is another reason why, like you looked at im Ran Contra, Iran Contra is really just kind of like a branch of this network.

Like it truly.

Is the window in network. It's fascinating exactly. Glayne Maxwell's sister.

Oh no, for sure, let's let's put a pin in a keynot and four, Brad, because we're going to circle back there through Idaho Contrary here, So please, yeah, continue on that. I'm not trying to thought that this is. I know that I ran Contras and off shoot with the same activities because we see a focus of Mary Terry's Ultimate Evil Book as a fellow by the name of cocaine. Bob Evans not mine. I'm just wishes of

Yeah, you kill him, you man, You're not familiar with this narrative, So I'm aware of so many of the other details, like like Bill Menzer Manson two being obviously is the hit man for Roy Raiden and and and very important factor.

Yeah yeah, I'm working for what Larry Fink or not Larry.

Fink, Larry Flint, Larry Flynn. Yeah yeah, I unpack all these details. Folks can understand that the storyline that also is describing in the film Dragnet, the nineteen eighty seven comedy masterpiece Dragnant during dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks, these these details they literally have essentially Bill Menzer in the film, He's uh played by Jacko Hallerhan, Dude, that is so crazy.

You know that uh Arles Perry right, the Arlest Perry murder that happened on on Berkeley campus, right in in the uh uh uc Berkeley's chapel, right where she's ritual basically murdered. There's like a candle inserted into a vagina and like the an ice pick on the back, I believe, And then she she was spread out in a specific way where she was basically a symbol and a cult. It was wasn't a neo pagan symbol like the Delphi murders,

Maybe they don't talk too is exactly an area that did not want that fellow talking exactly.

That's what I view as that is the potential reality there. But you look even further into right, Bruce Perry was Arles Perry's husband at the time. She's nineteen, right, I think she's very young and uh, and he's very young as well. He's covered in blood. When the authorities find him, he claims he had a nose bleed, and it turns out Bruce Perry later on, Yeah, that's William Menser, right.

I luck finding photographs of him, not from the newspaper and not from his one mug shop from two thousand they don't have. You can find his name in the prison system, him and Greenberger both, but they they ain't got no photos of either. It's been erased. You know what's crazy though, with the way he said poof, we don't need any more Bill Menser, we don't need you don't need to learn about these things.

By the way he was he was tied into what it was either Magic Island or the Wonderland Club.

I think it was the Magic Gastle I believe, or no, you're right now, magic Magic Onland. I think it was the Magic Island, the New Sport Place, right, Yeah, in Newport Beach.

This was a network where they were they they were facilitating snuff films. Roy Raiden apparently he ordered uh specifically the Stacey Moskowitz I think was the one that of the Son and Son of Sam David Burkewitz murders. That was ordered by Roy Rayden for snuff film purposes. Which was why the van was stationed outside of the murder scene because they had a tripod in there and they

There you go there, Oh hag aren't they exactly the whole concept?

Yeah? And and so I think.

You're spot on there. But if i'm if I may also, if I may just redirect you back to Los Angeles and the cocaine, the trafficking of cocaine around Bob Cocaine Evans and Karen Greenberger, who now Bob. Bob pleads the fifth and the grand jury testimony despite being the first witness called by the prosecution and under advisement of Robert Spirou. That is this murder of what rating occurs in eighty three, right, the trial. They don't get they don't get popped until

He tiled that into Barry Seal and.

The absolutely all ties in but absolutely so Bob's doing but cocaine. Bob is doing process activity in Los Angeles. You know the murder wore reading right for this dude. Bill Metzer is the hit man, right and in prison the day right, Bob walks he pleased the fifth and he you know, he walked on cocaine trafficking, walks on murder stuff. All of his co you know, indicted conspirators, they all are when went to prison for life. Right. So this is a year after the release of Dragnets.

Yes, Ry Flint, Larry Flint.

That is so crazy and it is alternated because when you were talking about Wayne Williams, his boss Michael thieves and whatnot, and fell a by the name of Mitch Warbell who kind of floats around that circle out there.

He's everywhere else.

Mitch Warbell's murdered in Los Angeles six months before Roy Raydon, apparently poisoned by Larry Flint's brother in law.

I'm telling you, man like this, this is a network that, yes, it is far smaller in scope than I think people realize so far as the usual. And that is why you can kind of tie a direct line into all these various scandalous cases that occurred around a similar time in American history which very much seemed to spur a lot of the Satanic panic, alleged mass hysteria which was apparently unfounded, which obviously, in my mind was just a natural reaction to true instances and examples of ritual occult

That's some trauma right there, right, that'll do some drama.

I think that's all part of it has to be.

You got you gotta have that trigger to induce the trauma, right. It happens in varying ways and capacities. Yeah, like I said, next to him's forcing folks to watch snuff films that induces the trauma there, So you need that triggering device. But you know, I like what we were saying. Also, I just want to see if I can go back here to I want to. I want I just want to hammer him that point that you you're already hitting on. I want to hear more of your thoughts on with this.

One finders Franklin McMartin.

Right, No, specific yeah, specifically in Los Angeles County.

So you got m martins in Los Angeles, Okay, McMartin.

So yeah, under under under Charles Manson's friends. Uh, you know jurisdiction as the district attorney, right, you got mc martins. It gets prosecuted or does it? Right? Because you know.

Interesting, I don't know.

That was a big satanic panic. HBO made a movie. James Woods played in it. I think Oliver Stone directed it. They were like, hey, this is that that helped fuel the satanic panic.

Now this big video was turn down. McMartin wasn't bullshit, was it though?

Right?

No, not at all. Yeah, and I think that even having the obviously we had the seismic survey in the underground uh you know survey of the tunnels that were clearly filled in with with foreign dirt, you know, which which obviously they had had built in tunnels to the what what was described as the neighboring properties, where they would then utilize as far as like, yes, they had like a cult rituals underground, but for the vast majority of what they used the tunnels for was to take

So great, that was a great explanation. You know, you know where I learned about that McMartin stuff you just described. When I first learned about that stuff was on the Oppermen report about those tunnels and reports and everything else. So once again, not the report and the history of

Which Oliver Stone is such a strange suspect as far as like why you know, I understand like he doesn't seem like he's operating in good faith at every instance in my mind. And then just like researching about what he had said to Howard Hunt when he was talking to him about doing the Uh, I think it wasn't

Yeah, if you want a legitimate response, better be diplomatic about.

It, exactly. And it seems like Kevin Costner was very much in his ego and also kind of like belittling Saint John Hunt and kind of like putting Howard Hunt in a really difficult position. So they kind of backed out of of of offering you know, kind of more of the details that they would have provided otherwise, which I found.

But still he played He does play some weird roles, doesn't He does play some weird roles.

Absolutely.

Steer us back to this. I ran contra business for brother Michael Loko coming out of there the McDonald murders. Right, we were talking about with the you know, the processing and seemingly processing Gunderson, you know, Alan Dershowitz and uh, you know, of course the process attorney himself, John Markham helping cover this on Tuesday. Weld's cousin Bill Will, the US attorney being involved in that mix, all these folks helping cover up that into this this kind of narrative,

And you know that was really a fertility death ritual in a way as well, right, It wasn't only their prioritizing and targeting him because he was willing to start. Basically he was described as a golden boy where he which is interesting by by even the military brass at the time, right, who were working at Fort Bragg, And it seems that he was he was moonlighting and working at another hospital. I forget how far away it was from Fort Bragg at the time.

But yeah, it was hard charging man. He had a lot of good things to said. The folks said about him, for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, And and I mean there were two heroin addicts who who brought in an individual who overdosed and to to that hospital, very hospital he was moonlighting at. And he had he had, you know, just kind of a status quo policy in place where if this, if this occurred, they would they would notify the authorities, the

And so you and I, if I may interject there, Alston, these these allegations around these same style of operations you're describing have been alleged around Minor Air Force Base and John Carr and that on the same situation, yep.

Exact same thing. They said that, By the way, that's a crazy story because uh, I discovered that what's what's her name, Donna Laurier and Jody Valenti, uh the the the Bronx victims who were so one of the possible

Are you serious? I swear to God so that I did not know that. I did not know that termination right and there and there we are back to Idaho, more drug trafficking, these processed satanic crimes right and around all of these, and then we're back to Ida. Had a newgan Hand Bank, aren't we? Because John Michael Hand green Beret, used to work for Lansdale and the was that the military assistance or whatever you component over there

On to.

What did you do? Started a bank, the newgan Hand Bank, isn't that right?

Awesome? Yeah? Yeah, and uh and if you realize what was.

What was the new Hand Bank and what happened to it?

This is crazy. So in seventy three, Frank Nougan and this Australian lawyer and Michael Hand, who was a former CIA contract operative, they established the newgan Hand Bank. And this is just fascinating to me because the newgan Han Bank was involved in helping the CIA in covert arms deals, with contracts and contacts with Angola which again keep in mind Jonestown, Right, Dan Golan Rebels trained at the Jonestown site, which was a black site to begin with, to train

Where you go, yeah, that we see it a rup to the surface and we call it an Iran conc where we think we understand it. But what a you're describing is we own a fucking clue because it's still going on today, right we were just so they element are describing Fort Bragg Special Forces money laundering, large scale drug trafficking, right, probably some gun trafficking, maybe some human

You mean did he sellmate?

Well, you're sir, you're about to give me. You're about to get his loss in it. I will, I will go for another hour on these connections with Diddy. Sam Bankers created the same attorneys, you know, you know, the one of the lawyers prosecuting the case that used to work for the now University of Idaho president for this weird firm that was doing the merger between Bidan's and FTX that fell out on November ninth, And then on

Wow, I keep I still think that. I still think that, Uh that's a that that inspected gadget might possibly be Uh who was that that MK ultra scientist got Leab?

Oh? Oh really I didn't know that.

Yeah, because Gottlieb had a door named Penny anything, they called.

Him what the Black Sorcerer or something. Yeah.

Yeah. The thing is he he was making gadgets before he started making those cocktails that was like supposedly gonna kill someone because they smoked a cigar or got fucking jabbed in the ass with Yeah, Like he was making all like these like there was basically almost like ship from uh that double seven? What was mission impossible? With all these fucking crazy gadget shits. That's what that guy

Something that's interesting. So I've actually said, like I've actually wondered, what did this creepy French fella see or witness to develop this cartoon. And you're saying money and be based on City City.

Yeah, there was times. I remember it was a year or two ago when we brought up on the Occult Rejects. There was a couple of other things that tied to it because I did go down like a small rabbit hole when I caught like a one or two commonalities and I was like, I think there's something here. I think I was when I was did at dam k Elcha series with Thrash. There is like one or two other things that doesn't make it like really like that might be is it's.

It is interesting. I have to unpack that in the future show here.

Nick, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do like.

This idea around this creepy French game. Soon oh they're involved in money lunery that stuffsman season. No one's really gone to jail though, So then you have the University of Idaho president. He was no for no reason to they hire this guy properly, like he has no background to be there other than being a graduates. He was. He was a business fellow, largely in banking. He was running the second largest corporate law firm. They're largely involved

That's amazing. I didn't realize this. Now I knew he had a connection directly to the Cia through like his his kind of molding process where he was like basically brought under the wing of during his his schooling and when whenever.

You're talking about Sam Banker Freed, yes, PF Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are Leon Black the real quick He's no, Yeah, I'm familiar. Yeah, absolutely, He's directly involved in Iran contra and is deeply involved at least two hundred million dollars in avoiding charges thus far. But yeah, SPF, SPF is actually works for that, so you're familiar with some of his background. He's got a weird background.

Right, the Stanford parents and very strange.

Yeah, he's actually working at a small Wall Street firm where he he's on record for losing the most amount of money in that firm's history, along with one of the with one of the major figures in the Zizzy and get thecalypse Vegan Silicon Valley based rationalists.

Uh, you know, I gotta look at that. Oh yeah, yeah, I haven't yet. And all I keep hearing is about the Zizzy and.

I'm not even I'm not even trying to break. You gotta listen to the one that we know.

I'm you got to listen to the shows we've done, ye switch deeper than what you'll find a regular YouTuber, even making the Mad Scientists went deep.

Yeah, those those kids. It's another one to get it. Not to get too much with the true crime stuff, but it's just another one with why is NASA popping.

The funk up? Yeah?

Man, why is NASA keep popping up with all these weird true crime tales? Now there's always like someone associated with NASA showing up.

The jeopardpol was was as far as like there you go from the from the onset with this, the le were right with part.

Of the magic exactly. I think what was it? Jack Parsons was affiliated with this JPL property in in Florida in the Everglades, and that came up on Python Cowboy went on Joe Rogan and I discovered this like a while back, a couple of years ago, because it sounded

I think it was the left eye. Where was this this? Yeah, do you recall, like, did you have a name? Maybe let me pull.

Up, because again it's like a black site with Florida Everglades.

When they're starting to talk black slits in everylades, you're starting to sound like a lot like Wayne Williams stories and Patrick Imming you, Lucas.

Who's who's saying that, Lucas, Yeah, he's he's saying that we were trained in the art of kidnapping and and ritualistic murder and and how to properly abduct children and and and that was all at black sites in in Mississippi and Indiana where basically they were they were they were granted actually they apparently they were all tipped off whenever military flyovers would happen as well, and and so they would effectively be able to cover their tracks from

That goes at in handle done that every time I feel like, right, it's always some weird sexual deal and stuff. So if folks want to write off hypnosis, and I was telling I was telling Nick this story earlier about hypnosis and uh, the actor Danny Trejo folksing you on YouTube, all, uh pull up a link and put it in the show notes. Danny Treo was describing the time that he ran he met Charles Manson in the La County lock up and that they were all strung out and needed

He said, Man, what did he say about Manson? He said, if if in another life, right, like he should become a professional hypnotist because he missed his calling. Like that was basically what he said about Charles Manson, because he was, like I.

Was describing as like a five tool athlete. These there are prospects go. He did all the ocult stuff. He's doing the hypnotist stuff. You know what I mean. He's a charismatic fellow despite being a little fella. You know what I mean, he's you know, he got a lot done, all right, Manson.

I found this story that that this Python cowboy told because it's it's fascinating. It's this abandoned aerow jet rocket test facility that he had discovered. Apparently he came across this one night in April of twenty nineteen, and this is deep within the Uh this he's chase.

He's chasing these yes, yeah, we'll put on the screen here. Let folks check that out.

He's chasing these basive python species. Yeah, exactly, And so this is so crazy.

Look at this.

First of all, this is what he stumbles upon and who knows, you know, the upside down crosses and red right. But so he basically says that he finds this abandoned arrow jet rocket test facility, and then essentially he discovers that an interesting snake still alive that is on this this baby doll. I need a picture of the baby

Is this was a part. This was a JPL property though at one point, Yeah.

And had direct ties to Jack Parsons committing a cult rituals at the time, apparently whenever he was affiliated with this property. So I found that interesting because it clearly had direct uh you know, occult connotations to prior youths.

Right, that's fact. That's super interesting. And you know, I'll push for folks the interwebs. I'll put a link in the show notes here, I'll get it from Austin here. But no, this is this is what I'm talking about. Man, there's so many more of these sites that were clearly being utilized. This is as larger as we're we're clearly laying out for folks. This is a much larger network than even some folks that cannspiracy cultures. I think you're

No, honestly, it's it's probably too long of a story to even cover, but it's very.

I'd love to have you back on here in the future and operation the GC I don't want to speak for Nick, but maybe even the cult reachis.

Oh yeah, I was alreadything. Yeah, for sure, there's a lot of.

Fu We can unpack some more of these ideas, but I'd like to try to close out some of the ones we've discussed tonight, if you don't mind bringing us in for a close. So when we're talking about these similarities between the the Atlanta Child, I'm sorry, Well, when we're talking about this realt home, one second, we're talking about Fort Bragg, drug trafficking, money laundering, the continuation, as you're saying, of Iran Contra, and is this is kind

Right, Do you mind if I run, go take a piss real quick and come back so I can form the rest of my thoughts in a coherent way without having to think about having to piss really bad.

No, please, please do one. We'll bring it in for landing here when you when you.

I'll be right back. Appreciate it.

So you know, I'm dude, it's it's it's you know, I like to see some other you know, some other folks, you know what I mean, coming to these Uh, you know, well developed and uh you know, thought out conclusions as he has around some of these subjects and the dynamics

Something that I've thought before with like the Masons. Just from seeing like different things popping up, stuff that I haven't even covered. Uh that I I'm starting to like maybe I guess entertain more like especially with the process

Yeah, well you're you're given your background, you probably familiar with the operation. You're where you came from in life. Then you know, being around Long Island and we're a large concentration of what cos and extra folks are from, right, Like you're probably familiar. That's how they operate, right, the what you're describing, right, Yeah.

A lot of the ways to get away with stuff is because well, I mean, you could just be a good manipulator, but I mean a lot of times it's like being out and plane, being out in plain sight,

You know, low level for sure.

And then I think the reason why why those things are so great too is because you may not have any tie to this person except for that lodge of that organization.

That's the best way to do it, right.

Like, like how is that person even coming up in your life?

Diffuse liability right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I totally agree with you. I think that is you know, that's how they operate. We're talking about kind of the you know, the general function of some of this stuff, comparatively speaking to like the mafia, right, they see these this cult network, you know, it's you know, I think we apply a lot of descriptions and name things, but we're really just talking about the same stuff. But I'm

God, that is fascinating. Man, I already knew of obviously, of of her direct connection into this, this kind of Parnell Trey Haim culled. You know, what she was basically claiming was her boyfriend was directly tied into this this Uh what really ultimately, you know, fundamentally it becomes this criminal syndicate enterprise which plays very much into not only what I view government as in the first place, is

So he was kind of a big time you know overall. On at one point in time when Larry Flint paid Mitch Warbell a mayon dollar check to off his uh, his you know, his uh, you know, his competition not on that list, Michael not on list. Not listed was Michael Thabas. It was Guccioni, Hugh Hefner, and somebody else. But Michael Thievis wasn't on the hit list, strangely enough, and he definitely knew Mitch Warbell because they were both out of Atlanta. Right, So Michael thiabs major figure he

I didn't realize that, he claimed that.

I knew he was.

Yeah, that's that's crazy stuff right there. Wow right, yeah, oh my god, I know that. You know, just as far as the there kind of the modern day like tie into the BCCI Iran contrast and still effectively taking place this very moment. I think my favorite example of this is is really Omar Matine in the Pulse Nightclub network in very many ways. I think Draws in wacken Hut, which, like perm Index was, was you know, obviously a pousible deniability construct in the private sector.

And and if you.

Consider the arlist Perry murder that we were just discussing earlier, her husband, Bruce Perry. Now I didn't realize this. He happens to be the psychiatrist in charge of treating the children at Waco. And it was even crazier than that.

All the Mormon fundamentalists. Let's not the Jeffs, Let's not you know, sleep on that situation. That's a fucking strange one right now. It's weird. He's involved in all these things, right, it's very rd bizarre. It is, especially given where he came from, with the exactly he's there at the very murder, right he you know, you should have been considered a suspect. He wasn't, right, wasn't.

They had just had a fight as well, which is very strange. But you know, range, Yeah, you look at the execution of Roy Raiden, happened on Friday the thirteenth, right, thirteen bullets in the back of the head, a Bible left near his body, open to a passage from the Book of Isaiah, chapter twenty two, which reads, in part, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we shall die.

And it gets sold here there's like there's some Christian stuff mashed in there, identifying right within that ritual human sacrifice. And then we got a report here saying they're doing, you know, mashing together Buddhi stuff in the mix. Right.

Oh, that they do say they're in the ot O. There's still say there you will eat a feast for death.

Man.

So this this kind of works within the framework of your understanding, within the lima of this incorporation of boots. Yeah.

I also think them ripped off Catholicism the Bible anyways.

Interesting, interesting, Okay, ideological deception at every level. Right, It's like that I feel like they attempt to infiltrate presiding ideologies and whether they were manufactured to begin with or not. I don't know which one, you know, obviously sure, but but it's what.

Game first, go Bill Clinton or the Blue dress?

Right, exactly right, But I mean, you know, and even then the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Committee of three hundred in the Club of Rome, and how how basically Bill Clinton was chosen as just like Jimmy Carter was, right, Jimmy Carter allegedly just a dip ship. I don't know, it's very very he wasn't.

Allegedly he was exactly I think he was the Lodge of Georgia or whatever. They're the you know whatever they call their top freemason. They're in the Green Lodge of the state.

And that's what that's what always consistently, right, you know, raises its ugly head. Is this sort of just direct connection to these these powerful uh you know, let's say they're they're just very much there there powerful organizations as far as just their their influence on on the global infrastructure that really just like the path of what is because sure, yeah, yeah, in my mind you look at even the OTO like I was realizing that it was. It was founded in eighteen ninety five and in.

Uh by the russ right yeah, yeah, and Carl Reunited the Illuminati, rightty.

Yeah, those are the dudes from the there was like it was actually like aligned with Freemasonry.

Yeah, that was the The very interesting point that that I discovered as well was that it seems to be not only affiliated with of course this kind of like psychological operation being conducted by the Six at the time, which I think that that that is why Aleister Crowley effectively fell into that that position, because I think that he was kind of being utilized as the asset, you know, within the terms of British intelligence. But this chapter of the I mean you just there then these are like

That sounds like a great way to put a pen and put a pin in that, and put a pin in this picture right here, So no one could ever explain why Cocaine Bob evans He or mister Process Hollywood was so good friends with Henry Kissinger. And then then you see Kissinger's Kissinger's right hand man who was the VP of Kissinger and Associates, who was his deputy national security advisor, who was a national security advisor for I believe from Ford and Reagan, and that was retired Air

Yeah yeah, and I really can't stand that. That now, I understand why people would be skeptical of a kind of shooto because he has such a strange background. He's obviously involved in covert operations. He was, he was clearly an asset for the intelligence community. But he was hung

Gets underwater LSD Labs dude, I mean, this dude's new rookie.

He's the one working at the Cabson Indian Reservation providing the back door for the promised software scandal. And I mean he claims that's where it was done, which we know at this point they the CIA was actively flying in Mexican nationals to cook math amphetamines on the on the cabs On Indian Reservation, and the they were utilizing these Indian reservations for Clindestine black operations within the domestic context.

Who have scumbaggery? If you asked me an Iran concerce scandal, and I'm glad you brought that up because if I may just put a quick note here on the Iran concer in Idaho, John Michael Hand of Nougahan Bank would be found living under a presumed identity in Idaho Falls, Idaho in twenty fifteen, thirty five years after his constituent was Michael or something Newgan commits suicide. He walks on like Epstein, like Cocaine Bob, like Leon Black, like a

How are you good, buddy man, I'm just saying like as far as Waco specifically, though I couldn't even believe that. Through this Wilter report, I discovered that allegedly Koresh and six others in the Branch Davidians that were a part

Ninety five legislation by Joe Biden exactly exactly.

And it turns out there.

Right, and if I made on one note, made you just I mean, you're you're you're blowing up my brain all here, Austin, and we're still almost three hours and you're still successfully doing that. So when you're considering because I, you know, I I as much as I've thought about Idaho contraum and all these other weird activities around the situation, you know, I just I just right now, when you're talking, I just considered John Michael Han former Green Berey. We

Right Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't be. And and especially how again, this is a subset, This is a very small portion that people don't realize, is uh. You know, it's an exclusive community of individuals, right, who

And that was was requirement as part of their training.

Exactly, That's what they said. And so it makes a lot of sense to me, and and and for again this Wilchair report, which came in three separate parts, that claims that David Koresh was a sleeper who had been subjected to extensive CIA mind control training and programming, and that apparently Waco was a major center for such CIA mind control experimentation and programming, with much of this activity occurring at the CIA's Leadership Management Institute in Waco. The l M I and I have.

To ask you to cease some assystem blowing up a brand. Hold the minister, because you were one of the few, if not the only, one that wants to bring up weapons trafficking around the Waco situation. Because that's what I've looked at what those Branch Davidians were doing. They were selling a lot of guns.

Yeah, yeah, right, there's all of my fucking gun shows, weren't they.

You can tell the price of all day long and say, you know, the government ever reached these people either were in bed with the government trafficking weapons in around this Iran contra stuff and or what were solid a witness it. And I say that to make this point. The main weapons small arms weapons Depot and Iran concert was being run out of a place called Camp Bullis. It's an Air Force training installation in the outskirts of San Antonio, Texas. YEP.

Pit stop exactly. And also you know what else was named within the context of this Not only the CIA was utilizing the LMI in Waco, but they named in this report Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo Utah, Logan, Utah, and Boise, Idaho.

Get out of Town dude, I swear on now, dude, you just identify and Nick Nicks Nick let up because we've talked about all these locations relative to the Idaho contrace stuff. So that's what I'm saying. You just hit on a lot of targets there. Man, I'm gonna have to have to ask you for a copy of this report.

I'll send it to This.

Is fucking amazing. Man, that's great stuff right there. I'm gonna have to dive into some more land so if I can bring this again again. I appreciate all all these details and the conversation. Man, it's great stuff. And I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm looking. I'm gonna go ahead and look look forward to our next conversation. I'm gonna say I'm not gonna let you leave after the show. I'm not gonna let you leave until we booked something for the next conversation.

Sounds being held.

Hostage until then, because I'm sure you feel the same way. It looks like by the reaction he is just saying. So No, I definitely appreciate all this time. I mean, the chat season be very loving. All your your details are dropping a lot of details. I love details and the details oriented individually. Appreciate you guys.

Honestly, you're blowing my mind as well, because I feel like whenever we have a meeting of the minds like this, uh, you know, it's each individually goes down different paths of research and investigation. And so we have so much I feel like fill in various holes that that we might have realized, you know. And and you seem to fill in quite quite a few different holes and within the context of the puzzle pieces that I'm considering in this wider network that seems to be well established and very

So when you're talking Timothy mcveig, we're talking Iran cons we're talking about the use of flying drugs in this country. His Now, folks may not realize this, his sister did it this year, remember with this document his sister's deposition regarding these matters. Yep, Jennifer Vay, would you like to describe this for the folks of the interwebs are also.

Reading through the really the original New York Times article as well that that came through that that proved kind of Tim mcvay's just he was essentially having like an

Right, here's Quota saying it's crazy. Right, So if you mean on the way we're sold these narratives, it seems to be lamity tunes, right, Nick, Is that what you're gonna say? What you have to say?

Oh no, no, it was actually just sitting up to uh.

Oh yeah, so you know it says he says number one, he would we would be helping with the the c I A fly drugs into the US to fund many covert operations. I ran contrasts. So I think that's very fascinating. You have a guy who's been apparently sheep dip through Army special Forces. You know what I mean? Again speaking to how these kind of matters work, and uh and again, Austin, I don't wanna. I don't wanna shorten this conversation where I have to, but I do have I have to go.

I don't think I have honestly, I'm not sure.

He's perhaps the most prolific serial killer you've never heard of, and apparently many people may never hear of because the private detector or the former homicide detective who wrote that book and had that website there, Cold Case Cameron, Apparently the websites now down, but here on the webar archives, I'll eave a link you will find he's done a whole study on the serial killer's background. Now he alleges he's involved in all these murderers, including the Zodiac, and

About Bill Metzer being the Zodiac. Have you heard that? Just people like claiming that he was potentially ind with some of the Zodiac killings, which I found very strange, but it's intriguing.

But so if you're familiar with the Lake Berry, Esa guy, the details he gives the victim are all details of Edward Wayne Edwards's life. He broke out of Red Lodge prison in Montana. There was a prison guard murdered, he stole a car, he drove to Mexico. That's August of nineteen sixty nine, when in reality, that's when this guy in the hooded mass tells the victim the victims of Lake Berry, so once survives, right, right, that was in

That's fascinating, man, And now I know that Detective James Rothstein claims that not only Jeffrey Dahmer, but but the Zodiac was directly tied into the obviously the Son of Sam killings, which he claimed the process was, you know, the coalescing organization that drew them all together. Which that's perfect in my mind, it makes a lot of sense. But what do you think about the Zodiac just being like many of these cases, kind of not responsible for

You know, you just identified it man. It's also it's the same, it's the same, Emma. Right, We've been discussing. It's it's the whole hog approach. It's a it's a team of killers, it's not one killer. I would argue the man in the mask was was Edward when Edwards because again he gave the details he gave were actual details, but they were from ten years prior Edwards did those things. In fifty nine, he was the number one suspect on the FBI's most Wanted list at the age of twenty two.

Oh my god, that's he.

Later inserts him. And he grew up with Charles Manson at the at the Chilicothee Boys Reformatory.

No go to boys Town, right, they both made the Boystown infect.

What the hell, dude, you're killing me? That is fascinating.

During the Atlanta child killings, and this is I give John Cameron the you know, he takes a lot of flak. He did a Paramount plus series with Edward when Edwards's grandson, and you know, and again he's he may have ever accept some of his his theories with you know, John Binney Ramsey and everything else that he accuses Edwards evolved but I think he nails it because Edwards is like a general in that hand of death cult you were referring to, right, So I look at him as a general, right,

What is full name? Right now?

I need to know Edward Wayne Edwards, and I'll send you link to all this stuff, and I'll even send you link to the time where he uh got himself on the TV show the game show Who's I'll find it? Him and Alan Alda Alan Guess people on the Yeah. While I'm while I'm meandering about my thoughts here, I'll find that clip real quick. But this is him with the Atlanta police captain, right. So he had a relationship with him because when he was the number one FBI

Yeah, truth is far a stranger than fiction, right man.

So if I if I can ask again, I appreciate your time, Austin. I look forward to the next conversation. But uh, this conversation was fantastic, and Nick, as always, I appreciate your insights and time and you know these, uh, these ideas of managing together something the Coult practices were,

Awesome yeah, and i'll uh, I'll send you those those uh, at least a few of the sources that I was utilizing earlier that that you had asked for. Because again, it's like anytime we can kind of you know, bridge the gaps and and attempt to to at least coalesce and bring these these thoughts together and and fill in these these various holes and and the puzzle pieces necessary to to understand in a better and more conceptive concept actual way I.

Could have said it better myself. That's that's an excellent way to phrase.

That's the goal, right, and and that's that's all I can hope to accomplish. And and again you guys, man, thank you so much. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you guys for just giving me the opportunity to come on the show and have a platform to have a conversation that's worthwhile. Again, because this is all I I I really hope to achieve at this moment, because I'm under no real delusion that that I'm going to personally have some sort of like, uh, you know,

The process, right, social turbulence, the paper written by Eric Eric trist Ra Allan trist.

Yeah.

Yeah, one was the dad who worked with who came over to who was from the Tavistock founder, who wrote the Social Turbulence paper, which seems to be what the purpose of the process is. And then he just happened to come to America at the same time as the process and go to USLA and work with Lewis Jellon of course.

Yeah, which by the way, he has a files on the Waco incident as well, and it turned out as SECUR potentially being involved in treating David Koresh at a certain point. So I'm not sure. I still haven't found like direct corroboration as far as the evidence is concerned to prove that out, but I know that when they rated his files at UCLA, the Waco children were a huge,

It's it's a dark consideration to see to consider where that may have evolved to since it goes un checked, right, But I totally, I totally agree with you on the concepts of you know, working in interchangeable ideas and working with folks. And I greatly you know. I hope you'll join us again again on future conversations here on Fridays the Operation GC Live and you know, of course Nick will have both of us maybe over there in the occult Rejects we can have some occult rejects assaults on

And it's nice to officially meet you guys. And and again this sort of very very easy conversation, you know, I feel like it flowed very well and to be you guys are are easy to talk to and and I can't thank you enough again, Man, appreciate you guys.

Oh, thank you for coming on. Man, that was amazing.

So I'll have your links in the show notes. Do you have any any plugs here for for we department on Nick and obviously I mean obviously before Nick and I make some staves. But yeah, do you have any any last plugs? Are awesome?

Really all I all, Uh, the best place to find me is the Underclass Podcast. I think the best place to support me if if anything I've ever said has resonated with you enough and you have the means available to to to send anything my way, then of course Patreon dot com slash the Underclass Podcast the best place. I at least have some sort of incentive in place as well for any sort of supporters that they want to you know, uh, at least kind of like I

Right.

I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, but that's how it feels like, I.

Like, I like the way you like your stylers or what do you think?

Thank you brother? But yeah again, thank you guys so much. And that's basically my plugs and and I appreciate you guys. So I'm eager to have another conversation. So we'll get that schedule for sure.

For sure, for sure, Nick Greats. I always appreciate our Fridays. I always have a good time looking forward to these things. I learned new things every week. This week perhaps I learned expected so much. I appreciate as well.

Thank you man, me too.

Any any closing comments or plugs you got there, Nick.

No, just anything. Tomorrow we're going live with rd A Lee and I think twelve or something around there. I don't know. You'll see when I make the live to talk about Virginia Guffrey. And then Sunday we've got a bunch of us going on. Donald Ferguson is a fan of listeners coming on to blow our minds with some stuff. I think people will really really enjoy it. I think I'm gonna have Ricardo there and Lisa, so I'm gonna have those two brains as well joining Donald, so it

Details. And I appreciate both your gents time and conversation and folks of interwebs as well. And I I just have a quick parting words and uh that is check out Operation GCD Sundays this Sunday at eight pm Eastern time. That's next Sunday, this Sunday at a pm Eastern time my Patreon on links in the show notes here the Curse of Robert the Doll. I mean, I guess all this the Curse of Buffalo Jared Riviza, but this is far more targeted and far less mystical, but equally scary.

Number one. What is your name please? My name is ed Edwards.

Number two.

My name is Ed Edwards. Number three.

My name is Ed Edwards and would the real Ed Edwards please stand up? So we'll definitely have to dive