Dr John Stamey & Center for Wilderness Cryptid Studies

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This episode we got? We got a couple of guests with us. We got doctor John Steamy, we got Jeremy, and we've got Douglas and we will get to them after I'm done introducing all the other rejects that I hear.

And to start off first, we got Broke. What is going on? Broke? How will you? Hi?

Thank you so much for having me tonight. I'm excited to get into this conversation. You can find me wherever you get your podcast at Dark Florida Podcast and on Instagram at Dark Floord.

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Oh that's right. On October eighteenth, I will be down in Fort Myers at Charlie's Beyond Belief XFO. I will be speaking about Bigfoot, the paranormal and everything in between. So if you're in the area, please come out. The Occult Rejects will also have a booth there and it is going to be a really good time.

Hell yeah, it's gonna be awesome, so definitely come down and get way with us. Check us out at Charlie's Beyond Belief, and of course since that it's out of Masonic Lodge, we had to get booth thirty three, so and we got broken next to us at booth thirty two. So very good, very good. So thank you very much, Mok. I appreciate you making it and we got the Headless Giant. What was going on, sir?

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Hey, hey, thanks so much for having me. It's good to be here in the House of the Lord again. Anytime we can all sit down and share some wisdom, that's a good day. So I am Sarah. I'm the director of public relations for the Institute for Natural Philosophy as well as the co host for Universe Unveiled podcast and you can find me at Sahara cosmos X.

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Nick.

Yeah, of course, thank you very much for joining us.

And finally, to the guests, I know you guys have probably heard me go on about these events that the cole rejects got boots at most of them, or this man's events that he has put together, so I'm very happy to be able to get him on. I appreciate him giving me the chance to have a booth at all these events. That's what's up, and I look forward to having fun. I think I'm going to meet a

Well, good evening.

First of all, it's great to meet all your wonderful co hosts. And I'm doctor John Stamy and I produce paranormal events. I guess my signature event is the Georgia Bigfoot Conference. In the World UFO conference, we are starting a series of UFO comic cons and Bigfoot comic cons. So on October fourth, we are going to have the second Bigfoot Comic Con in Franklin, North Carolina, right on the border with Georgia. That is at the Factory, which is a one hundred thousand square foot kids and adults,

And Don? Good?

Great?

Trey, how are you?

I'm doing great, man, It's good to see you again.

And I'll tell you why they're here. This is one of those things. I'm a big believer in the Chamber of Commerce. I believe that's how you get in touch with thousands of people with your events. And when I was there joining the Chamber of Common last month, they said, wait a second, you do Bigfoot. There's this guy Douglas that has something about wilderness and cryptid So I said, give me his name and address and phone number now.

It was like old home week.

We're we're doing things in the town where they live, and a town that I love that I have some really good friends, like Mark Munsey, the paranormal author. In fact, he's going to be the keynote speaker there. Mark's great. He was just at the Mofman Festival this weekend. He's just all over everywhere. He's a great guy. So you will enjoy John Price. You're going to enjoy Mark Munsey. I will be there speaking, and of course these two

They will be with us next time.

We're looking forward to even having another one, another Bigfoot Comic con there in Franklin in February of twenty twenty six. More on that later, but right now, I would like to now because of the traffic in Charlotte today, I was coming to Morganton, my old hometown, and I couldn't get there because of all the traffic jams. So I am in Valdies, which is about twenty miles from Morganton. Some friends let me stand in their driveway and do

Is that okay?

Nick?

Sounds good to me, sir, Thank you very much, man, I really appreciate it. All right, Nick, we'll see you.

We'll see you guys soon.

All right, Yes, you will playda John yep.

So we got uh, we got Jeremy and Douglas and interesting enough, I mean maybe we should just thought off this way, interesting enough. Brooke actually met them recently. So uh, I don't know if you guys, if you guys even wanted to talk about that, that's noted interesting to begin with, about how you guys even met.

Yeah, I mean we met at a bigfoot camp out put on North Carolina Bigfoot Adventures by Cheryl Peacock. She's fantastic and you guys can take it away.

Oh, Trey, you're the guy.

Well, I can talk all about the event, and I would love to, because it was a great time. But as far as the most entertaining part of that was there was somebody out there who.

He just uh, he just took.

It to the next level and it made it very entertaining a little spooky for some people, and he did not finish out the camping trip with everybody, but yeah, it definitely made for a great icebreaker for everybody else that was involved.

He kind of got stuck talking everybody just about the situation. Right, that's interesting.

Yeah, it was an experience, right, it was definitely definitely made.

Yeah, it was an experience. He was this person.

There were a small hiccup in what was actually what I found for me, you know, this was And I'd like to add that this was my first outing in relation to the Orger organization that Douglas and I are a part of, and also just looking for Bigfoot as a whole and as an introduction to that.

I thoroughly enjoyed every part of it. I want to add that it.

Did not take away, you know, being my first time. It did not like, oh Jesus, everybody like this, like oh my gosh, you never come back. I didn't have those thoughts at all. I had a great time, and I think it was very productive as a whole.

So, Jeremy and Douglas, I'd like to ask you about your feelings about Bigfoot. Do you feel like this is something that we can actually make contact with or is it? You know, there's a value in the folklore itself, right, So by passing on these traditions of Bigfoot, you're almost creating a community, right kennes See.

Doug, Doug, I'll let you go first with your thoughts. He's also the president and founder of the organization, so I'll let him take it away first.

Yeah, Douglas luck Miller, the president founder of the Center for Water Scripture Studies.

We're a North Carolina nonprofit.

Organization that is devoted to researching the possible existant to Bigfoot.

So with that said, possible existence.

Exactly, that's the way we approach it.

We actually are almost kind of like approaching it to disprove it.

Well, people think you're less cooky that way too, if you.

Yeah, that give my myself an out for that.

But now I'm fifty to fifty, I'm thinking that maybe there is, maybe there's not. It's I come from a law enforcement background. I was a traffic homicide investigator in South Florida, and.

I think the.

Looking into the possibilities of something is what intrigues me the most. And this is something that I spent a lot of time hiking in these mountains, and a lot of the times big bonds at night, sitting around the campfire trying to like scare each other, subject always comes up a Bigfoot and I'm like, you know, once I lost my hiking partner and wasn't able to really go out and do that anymore, I'm like, you know, what am I going to do to get back out there?

There's value in the adventure.

That's exactly right, That's what it is. It's not the ending destination. It was the eventure.

They get there, yep, and you never know, I didn't finding something nice nice.

Yeah, I'm actually interested in Bigfoot also, and well, my specialties is the ancient text, going back to the ancient text as far as back to the Marians actually, because they're supposed to be the oldest with the oldest writing system, and they have an individual in their name, Inky Do, and a lot of times this individual is depicted as something that would look like a bigfoot, sometimes with horns to show that it's an animal, sometimes with you know,

Animal, but a human head and human arms and stuff like that.

He was a best friend to Gilgamesh, and they also talk about the type of hair he has. So when you say you're fifty to fifty on it, that's where I'm kind of the same way too, because we have ancient texts that says this. The only thing we don't have is actual physical evidence as one being seen with our eyes, you know what I'm saying, something that we can go to a museum or something to say, oh, yeah, that's a big foot. Yeah, we have you know, footprints and so on and so forth. But we also have

But that's if you're not normally out there.

If you're somebody that's usually out there a lot, you start to tend to, you know, put the noise to the type of animal and stuff like that. So, but as far as the Samerians, I believe the Samerians about thirty two hundred BC. I'm gonna say, eighteenth eighteenth century. I'm gonna say, yeah, about thirty two hundred BC, when the Samarans started their civilization. Uh, they've been you know, describing something that could be considered a big big foot.

Wow, the oldest one for me, Robertson Gimlin would be for me, that's the oldest that I would know.

Yeah, I'm actually kind of in the same beat with Doug when it comes to bigfoot related things. That was something that never really crossed my radar, and especially not related to ancient times in the time period that you're talking about. But I have always been pretty fascinated with the UFOs. So I've heard of very very very ancient depictions and scribings on the wall and whatnot related to aliens,

Go ahead, I was gonna say, yeah, it's interesting because a lot of people don't talk about that, you know. And I came across this just maybe a couple of years ago when I was looking up who was Inky to and he's literally the best friend of Gyilga.

Mash and he's literally depicted.

I like, because we know that all writing system started as a pictographics script, right, It started with symbols, started with some type of picture depicting something what we can what we can describe, you know, visually, but not in the words that we can put it in as a as of today. And those depictions literally do shows something would be considered a Bigfoot. And when you mentioned aliens, the Sumerians, uh, it's a hidden miss there. It's an idea of them being you know, the Anina slash the

To stay away.

There's there's all these theories in these ancient texts going even back to the Indus Valley civilization, even you know, going back with even the Aboriginal Australians that they talk about it inner text. So it's just interesting that you know,

Do you believe that Bigfoot is just not here? It's just you know, there's different.

Species a bit big for depending on the continent, like you know how you know we have different you know, human races and stuff like that, Like YETI.

Yeah, like Yetti exactly had Liz, thank you?

Like YETI yeah, it's different diet too.

Maybe I think if applying a scientific approach to it, that there would be definitely different versions of what bigfoot or like you said, yeti or whatever it might be called in other cultures and languages, because you know, based on where it would be geographically, would kind of determine if it needs to be tall or short, or skinny or fat or muscular or strong whatever, even the diet. Yes, so yeah, I could definitely see there being a bunch of different appearance variations to to.

Wells an interesting story about that too. She actually got a lot of footprints from the swamps down there in Florida, and it was a different size and a different shape, but it's still sort of similar in morphology from you know, maybe up in Georgia there's there's much more taller and more robust versions, but in the in the Florida swamps, they seem to be a little bit smaller. So you have these regional variations of the sightings that you see that regards the ones in.

Italy and mad short, so their feet a little bit small.

We must have the Italian ones down here, because you know that is true as far as the skuncake goes. There's a debate in the community right now if they have four toes or the traditional five as well as they do have different features, especially where you guys are in North Carolina. You know, I've heard reports of all

Yeah.

We have a footprint that we've we didn't get to cast it. At the time that we discovered this footprint, we didn't have the capability to cast it, but we did get a three D scan of it that is on our website and it matches up with all the other more fallow that you're seeing, you know, from people that are getting cast and stuff. It was a left and right. There was a break, you know, a heel

I think we've done six, yes, fourteen inch long footprint left and a right about six foot gate and then it went into some rocks and we weren't able to get any further than that. But we couldn't cast anything. It was in leaves and mud, but we were able to do it with scan a verse, get a scan that way and it turned out actually pretty good.

Very nice. Go ahead, go ahead.

The technology angle. What kind of technology are you guys bringing to these investigations.

Doug, you want to? You want to sound it up or you won't need to. What do we have We've got basically you name it?

Yeah, that's just about right.

We've invested a ton of money and everything. It's like actually invested and stuff so quickly. It's kind of hard to like be able to learn what it is because of the fact that we're just gaining it so quickly. But uh, while life acoustics for everything, they for the audio part of it's wild tronics for the uh, parabolics, zoom for the H one, n like everybody normally uses with that kind of stuff, So we can leave it out there.

Uh.

The problem that I have been finding is that we have been investing in some equipment and most of the time when we're going out, we're going out into public areas, and it's kind of hard to leave a lot of stuff behind afraid that it's going to be taken. So we're being kind of like conservative on what we do with it. But that the night vision thermals, we've give a cottage chief and just keep going with what we've got.

It's hard for me to remember everything.

But yeah, we've got flear thermal night vision, all cameras, we've got the ld rs, the parabolic mics, we've got just you know, we've got basic game cans, Doug, do we have light are.

Now well light aer on the iPhone. That's that's the best we've got for that. Okay, that's sinners.

We are trying to cover every ground that we possibly can as far as data collection goes. And like Doug said, some of this stuff, like the ld rs and the game cams, you know, it does get kind of dicey leaving them out in public places because you see online all the time people just finding that stuff and tearing

Now, what was it that you guys deployed on the camp out that we were at. I know you guys were back in the woods. I turned around and my research partner Marion is with Doug and they are like deep in the woods behind the campground kind of where a group camp was. We were all set up and rooms firing, and there's a bit of a ridge that goes up then it kind of clears out and I know they were back there doing something with the audio.

I haven't been able to go through all of it yet, so don't know. Those were the Wildlife Acoustic recorders. I think they're I'm trying to think what the name of those are song meter micro. I think we had three of them out there after we had heard the next morning that everything was going on up in the back of the woods and around some of the tents. So we've deployed three of them out. Haven't been able to

Haven't been able to get through all of it yet. Haven't heard anything yet though.

Yeah.

One of the big struggles with that is it's just Doug and I and you know, I mean, like Doug said, we had twelve hours of audio per per recorders. So leave those out there for a weekend or even a full day and it gets very difficult. And one of the struggles we are having with the LDRs that that neither one of us are a prize too, but a way to you know, filter out things because you know, for example, well right now, if you've go outside, there's gonna be some ambient noise.

We don't need to listen.

To that, and we probably wouldn't hear Bigfoot at that same volume at you know, just for twenty four hours or indefinitely. One of the things that I would love to find a solution to is being able to filter out decibel volumes. I'm not even I'm not an audio person's I'm not I don't even know what terms to use. But if that makes sense, like if all the audio is going across like this for hours and hours and hours, cut all that out, use AI to do it, or some software.

And just get Audacity helps with that. What was that Audacity? Audacity will help with that.

Okay, cool. So it's a free program.

It's a free program, is very simple.

It will help for that. It would definitely help for that to free. I use that a lot myself. You'll take out all the background noise that that's in the back. What you'll do is basically copy a snippet of that background noise and then it will go through the whole entire track and take all of that out for you.

Awesome.

I'd love to We would love to connect with you afterwards.

We can do that.

We can do that.

Yeah, yeah, right now, what we've got is kaleidoscope that's given to us for free from Wildlife Acoustics.

It's very advanced a little bit more advanced than what I can figure out.

They kind of tailor everything towards bats those types of frequency, so they've got there for that, so we have to kind of go through and kind of tweak it a little bit.

Yeah, excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm late to the party. You've probably already discussed this. You'all are using game cameras.

Yes, yeah, I'm not sure what you what you did here?

Would you would you like me to go through the whole list of what we've done.

I was just curious about the game cameras, like in terms of like monitoring them with your cell phone and stuff like that.

We don't because the locations that we're in a lot of it's in the valley down in Gorgeous so we can't get cell service around here.

Yeah.

What we've been finding the best for trail cams is to find out what kind of movement we're getting around the area.

Probably not going to get.

Anything Bigfoot related, but there have been a few things that we have found that we couldn't understand what they were. There were certain like markings in the ground through the leaves, and we're like, what is creating that. It almost kind of looked like something was being drugged through there. Set up some cameras, went back and got the cameras, found out wild turkey going through there, scratching through trying to

And I'd like to mention that I think that that's super good because someone might find Oh, it's like we keep putting this stuff out there, and we're now proving because we've got it on camera that it was totally just a normal thing like the wild turkeys.

But I think that having that kind of data.

Is super important for the cause in the community because it's like, Okay, we now have photographic and video evidence of something that we don't know what it is, and then we film and find out what caused it. So now you can kind of put those things together for the community to say, Okay, if you're on your own adventure and you see something that looks like this, here's some documentation to back up that it could be a turkey.

The regional variations would definitely make a difference, especially if you're going bigfoot hunting and you're going to want to eliminate these things quicker than in other cases, so you've already got those things marked off to let that happen quicker.

And mister Tray is also an arborist, so he kind of brings a special knowledge to investigations, so during the trip we relied on him. We came across some really interesting tree structures and I have posted them on my page. They were off of trail on top of this mountain. Again, no service. I don't even know how to get there. I was at Chryl's will, just kind of blindly trusting her, and she leads us off trail and we get to

Yes, yes, and it doesn't have to be right now, but I would love to go into detail about the things that I saw because and the background on me, Doug told you that he was fifty to fifty. I am actually a non believer from my experience. My entire career has been based out in the woods, and I've just never had a classic experience or even anything that I couldn't even explain. And being on the science side of it with the arborous stuff, that's where I settle on it. But I want it to be real, so

Absolutely, go ahead.

Okay, Well, like Brookes said, we we had we had to drive a little ways from the actual campsite and then we went on a short hike and get to this point and she had marked it. She had been back there and it marked it, so we knew where to turn left basically and then go off deep into the woods to what was an apparent structure. And in my opinion, what I saw about the structure, I couldn't really apply any of my knowledge to what it was, but it was definitely something that was not whether it

And where the unions were.

And when I say a union, I'm talking about a tree that had grown off into two stems, So imagine a v kind of like this. They would be wedged in there and the living tree had grown around it to an extent that I would approximate be at least five years. So for five years that had been sitting there like that, all pointing in the same direction everything we looked at. We kept finding them and they all went in the same place. And again, way too big,

I mean they.

Were esoteric Bigfoot architecture. Is that what I'm getting.

It definitely could be. It definitely could be. I mean, it didn't have a rhyme or reason. Like I said, it didn't have a rhyme or reason, Like, if I'm a hunter and I'm gonna go hunt and I'm going to put up these structures, I'm going to point back to the road.

Well they didn't.

Or if I'm a hiker and i want to get out of here, I'm going to point back to the road.

They didn't. They didn't even.

Point back in the direction of, to my knowledge, the entrance to this area.

Does that make sense, like.

They were mapping something completely different.

Yeah, So I did not feel like there was a rhyme or reason for what a person would do with these things, but they definitely, Like I said, if if I saw one and I walked either against it or towards it in whatever direction it was pointing, I would find another one, and or other people would too. Because it Brooke was there, she brought me to one, and everybody was. We were just finding them, and it was just we're all snaked through the woods going on some

Portal theory, they were doing something with portals.

I have heard that, and I don't know a lot about that yet, but I have heard that people think that Bigfoot is possibly interdimensional. Maybe if you or somebody else in the group knows more about that, I'd love to hear it because I've heard it, but I don't know.

That's what I was just talking about, that he might have some type of portal or they have some type of portal where they can just appear. They have some kind of way to avoid human detection only when they want to, they will allow that. There's actually a case I can't remember. I have to look it up. There was this lady that actually had a relationship with a Bigfoot family when she was like three years old. It used to be a video on YouTube about her, but

I can't remember the age. And uh, it was a few of them.

And they you know, communicated with her the best way they could, of course, and they would tell her bring her back to you know, where they stayed at and stuff like that. It was the actually YouTube docu it was a YouTube video of a documentary that she actually had that was on there is it? The website is still love about it. Uh, there's an article about it still, but where the link for the YouTube is no longer there.

I think that was Janie Carter.

Never heard of this. That sounds wild though.

Lots of people.

Yeah, I look it up.

Yeah, it's it's a weird story because she it just it's it was well known in the nineties, I believe it was, and it was very big and she talked about it. I remember her being on different talk stations and stuff like that, and they actually had did an interview and all this other stuff, and she talked about it like actually like it was a real life thing to her, like you like this was her second family basically.

And I'll bring up the article in a second. I'll do it in the same.

Lots of people in the nineteen seventies report having gone to these uh you know, camping facilities that their families would return back to every year to actually interact with and you know, like play with children Bigfoot. I've heard like several different batches of stories of people who have had these like childlike experiences with Bigfoot. It seems like maybe they're more a part of our story that we actually admit to ourselves, like maybe we've had interaction that

Yeah?

Absolutely, And you know it's so funny because I have to bring up I have to bring my source up is my own source from my website, rebirth atlehord dot com, because I actually wrote an article about it, and I included her story within my article. So I'm bringing that up right now. But it wasn't too long ago when she had this full story. But yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. There's all this stuff seems to sit here and come together one way or another, and

It down for future reference.

I guess right, Well, it seems like there's an overlap between what's sort of real and what is is like between imagination and reality, like a lot of missing time is associated with them as well. So I don't know if that, if that's a common thing that could be maybe tracked through other different instruments, because we're talking about frequencies and vibrations, then maybe have an effect on people in ways we don't fully understand.

You know, Doug has had a possible infra sound experience.

That's what I want to hear about.

Yeah, I don't know.

One night out camping in one of our research areas, I was out there with one other person. We barbecued that night, both had the exact same food, got didn't eating. Half hour later, we're sitting there watching a movie on the iPad and instantly I got hit. Was something that I had to throw up. Jumped up, got maybe two feet down, started throwing up my guts stop, felt fine, wasn't sick, sat back down like that was kind of strange.

I don't know what that was all about.

Hadn't been drinking, ran out of alcohol the day before, so I hadn't been drinking all night long, probably another twelve or thirteen times. All I was doing was throwing my guts up, just kept throwing up instantly, would come back around, throw up again. The person that I was with, I sleep in a tent because I want to be able to hear everything that's going on around me. The person that I was with was sleeping in her truck and she's like, I nothing's bothering me. I feel fine.

Ate all night long. Just kept throwing Never had anything like that happen before.

I don't know what it was.

I'm not saying it was infrasound.

But we were in an area where there's been a lot of activity, so.

Maybe I don't know. I'm not going to say it was it.

For some saying that it was something extremely unusual and I was throwing up all night long, instantly, just would hit me. Felt fine, no stomach ache, no fever, no headache, nothing, sitting there talking, next thing I know, to start throwing up again.

Ye for some maybe don't.

Know ultra low frequency waves right there, I mean, there's some sort of residence effect.

Could be I don't know, never had that happen before, spent countless days out in the mountains, never had anything like that happen before.

I wanted to be there was somebody else who experienced other than that part, exactly the same thing as you did, the same hike, stayed in the same place, ate the same food. And then they're like, I don't know, and then it's just you and you. And I've known Doug for a ten decade now, over ten years at this point, and he I can't even remember the last time he's been sick, so I to add that into it. He's not somebody that's just going to end up with food, poison air being sick just from the.

Time that I'm done.

That's shitty. At least it wasn't coming out. That's definitely shitty. Something I didn't want to ask. Maybe Brook, I'll even put you in that ass too, three of youse, because it is something I was thinking about today.

What would happen?

Like, all right, you're in the woods, You're turning a corner and there is ten feet in front of you, there is no Now what do you do?

You got your big foot?

Now what I can tell you that I'm going to to do.

Everything I can, to the detriment of my own safety, to physically get a hold of big Foot. I'm not gonna try to kill him or her or the child or whatever whatever version of it I run into, but I will do everything in my power to somehow become attached to that thing, ride it like it's a freaking rodeo horse if I have to, and get my phone recording, I'm going right in.

I'm going right in.

You want to do it because you can't tell from his video, but he's like six four or five. He's a big guy, so he might be able to pull that off.

I think I'm actually technically taller than the average height of the skuncake. I think you're correct, But no, I my people have asked me like, what do you have a death wish? Or this, that and the other, And no, nobody has a death wish, at least I don't or anybody I know. But what I do for a being an arborist puts me in a lot of adrenaline inducing, potentially deadly scenarios that that you know obviously have all gone well so far, and so I'm not when something

Raining and blah blah blah.

And I you know, as I've done that in my entire adult life, and so when I get inserted into an outside scenario where it would be particularly spooky or something.

I'm like whatever.

So, yeah, I can tell you if I turned the corner and saw a bigfoot, the first thing I'm going to do is trying to get a hold of it. And then the second thing I'll try to do is get my phone recording or somebody else is hopefully there with me and filming as well, and then they can get to safety and get it out to everybody.

But yeah, that would be Michael.

That would be the first thing I did.

You gotta get you gotta get the throat right in the middle of the pocket right there, Get right behind him, see if you can knock him out.

Check it out.

What about you, Douglas, I have no idea have you any of you really thought of that?

Though?

Like, what happens if this guy's like just chilling right in front of you.

And the last few times that I've been out camping, we were out in areas where it was extremely unusual the activity was going on. I'd slept with my the door on my tent completely open, hoping something would come up, waiting to see if I could see something.

I don't know what I would do it ended up happening walk up to me.

It's like I was thinking about that myself today. I was just like, cause I, you know, I have been interested to go on these things, and I was like, what do you actually do if you actually like? Was it just a race to whoever could start snapping pictures? But people are actually gonna get fucking and run when they actually see them? People going to shit themselves? You know,

Like?

What am I going to accomplish? Unless I had a sound was fucked up?

Unless I'm tagging and begging that motherfucker, what am I really doing?

I don't think you.

Really know until you're put into that situation. I think people tend to have and I fight, fight or freeze. That's kind of what kicks in. And I know when I had my experience out of the woods and I saw what I saw, and I knew that I was seeing something that I shouldn't be seeing and that seemingly wasn't supposed to be possible.

I was scared.

And I'll be the first person to tell you like, I was genuinely really frightened in that moment, and I wanted to leave. I wanted to get out of that area. I wanted to turn around, I wanted to go back. But then I had to like quickly recenter and refocus and go, Okay, this is what I'm here for, get it together, and like let's keep pushing on as it. But then you have other people, for example, Brian king Sharp, who has a very similar encounter to what I have.

Rights He had even thought, I'd just be totally honest with you.

Even if you've got like quality footage, people are still going to say, that's fucking aim fake. So unless you have the body, what do you still prove?

Yeah, but they still wouldn't believe it because they would have to be seeing the body for themselves. It's always going to be an argument against right. You could show the body on television, they're gonna be like, oh, that's not real.

You need to show a video show.

Like personally you could show I mean, you can at least show some people that would actually change their minds, I know, on TV, and once you hit social media will still get questioned. Yep, driving around the motherfucking stropped to the hood of my god, really fucking SIGNI I mean, what is evidence though?

You know?

I mean, what is that really?

I mean, is the ancient text enough evidence to go out there and say for people to go out there and research it. Going in the woods and hearing something that's not familiar that you've been in the woods for the last fifteen twenty years of your life that you never heard. Is that evidence enough for you to go

You know.

Evidence can say, well, it's evident that it's fake, right because of this that and the third, or evidence that is evident that is real because of this, that and the third. So, I mean the evidence that people are looking for are different.

What's that, bro, You're talking about kind of a cover up? Like I kind of feel that there's sort of a cover up around this stuff and we're not getting the full picture from the people who have been telling us that we're crazy for you know, just describing what we see in front of our faces. I mean, is not essentially where we're going. I mean who's doing the cover up?

And for what?

That's what I want to know, and why?

You know?

For what?

You know?

The five w's is the questions that I always ask, you know? And and why is the most important?

Why Why is it a cover what's the big deal?

We already know there's different animals out there, So what is the difference with Bigfoot between them and us? And if they do have the ability to avoid humans because of their whatever amazing capabilities.

That they have, is that are we able to do that?

Because like I said, I go back to the ancient text and I mean that's what they tell us.

It is what they said in the most simplest form.

Now we are in a you know, the more advanced way of writing and systems and understandings and comprehension. Comprehension plays a lot biggest part of all of it.

I have a theory as to the why it's covered up. And this is just my own personal theory that I like thinking about. If you're familiar with Dave Politis, he's done all of the Missing Forward one documentaries, and he used to research with the late Scott Carpenter. He has since passed away, but he researched in the Appalachian Mountains and they had a really good friendship and they did this set of experiments to where they were able to

The they hair samples on the DNA that usually what you can test is m RNA because that is the least degradable RNA has passed through the matrial line and so you probably will not get parental DNA because you're looking at mitochondrial DNA, and so that's probably why it may have been that there wasn't as much parental DNA available to tests that that that could just be a

From my personal opinion, you know, some of the things that I did look for. And to answer your question about the old growth where we were at, No, like I mentioned, it looked like this area that we were at had been logged at one point, but we had a potential structure. Now I'm I'm just giving my opinion about the structure that I saw. It didn't even look big enough to house a bigfoot.

In my personal opinion.

What drew my attention more was those other stick structures that I was talking about. But we also have here in North Carolina, we have the Joyce Kilmer Forest that is an unlogged old growth forest area. It's got its a myriad of sightings as well.

Of those old worlds.

Yes, and then.

We've also got the UII Forest National Park near North Carolina. It's also got its myriad of sidings. So I don't necessarily think it really matters where at in the woods that these things would want to live at. I mean to me, it would kind of if I had to logically think of it, it would come down to out do I like this house better than I like this house if it was you know, a person that was trying

They love water.

So even if you're in the middle of the desert and you see a sycamore tree, you know that its roots are tapped into.

A bunch of water. So I wouldn't necessarily.

Lend that to be an indicator of where a bigfoot will want to live, because again, these trees that like water can go deep into ground and find it where it wouldn't be accessible to somebody that is thirsty for water. And can get out of a creek or anything, if that makes sense. So, I currently don't think that anything that I've seen in any of the diversities that exist in the wilderness lend to a more suitable place than another. I think that would kind of lean more in the

Yeah, that would be pretty interesting actually to check that stuff.

I don't know. I think if I started seeing.

That popping up, well, give me a little bit more greadings to my belief in it.

Oh No, that's because.

I do think some of these things do have certain reasons why he shows up, if he does exist. I do think some of the areas might have more capabilities of paranormal effects.

Going on.

That I guess at that point you have to start, like I guess, I'm looking at it as like I don't know, something that just comes into reality and leaves I don't know, I'm not too st what to think about Bigfoot at the the truth.

This was before my involvement in the organization, But Douglas met with somebody who's got a property here in Franklin and they live I'm not sure where their house is located in relation to this, but they're literally next to a ridge line in a valley. And I'm going to kind of just give this over to Doug because he met with the person. But they had like damage to property, things thrown at them, activity in the valley as opposed

That's pretty much all of it right there.

And what's kind of coincidental about it is about fifteen minutes ago he just text messaged me to find out what's going on.

He wants to meet up.

What he wants us to do is to come out there and bring some of our equipment so if we can get any recordings from it. He is getting a lot of orbs up through the ridge line, and the Appalachian Trail kind of comes up through there, but they've got orbs that are coming through. After they see the orbs, they start getting rocks thrown at their house. And they on the backside, they've got a port that they'll go

Start documenting large rocks too.

I'd like to add, like things that are you know, not pebbles, but large rocks, baseball or bigger.

Yes, yeah, I've been hearing a lot about this orbs stuff in Bigfoot.

That's uh, that's that's making me think that has something to do with the area.

Yeah, that's a it's a big thing. It's a big thing because that's where a lot of it seems like that. The understanding is that every time Bigfoot is seen or nearby, uh, look for look in the sky because there would be an orbs somewhere nearby. And the gentlemen that was talking about the water earlier, you know, that's funny because I always talk about I always say it, these gods, these aliens do these these things with this technology or this

Just not just to you know, sustained.

Life, but you know where you know, where people are mostly or where these individuals are mostly hiding at. They might not be near it like that, but they're definitely in traveling distance where they can go there and get some and come back and go somewhere else, you know, just like they do in most you know, other countries. You know, the well is not you know, always in the in the in one area, it's a mile away.

Sometimes it's interesting even like in aspect as the light goes to travel into your eyeball, the first thing it hits is really a corner. And so even the birth of the image in your eye and your head is probably too a part of the reflections and ship side your corny in the water, like you just looking at the weird sense like that to throw it off.

But.

Hey, Brooke, did you guys ever go through the footage that Marian got in her thermal camera because we did have. So it started off with people seeing a light that we thought might have been eyes, but if you moved it moved around, you could see that it was actually,

But Brooke, did you guys go through that footage yet?

I don't know if she has or not, but I know when I got my hands on it and I was able to see, I could see something moving. And again to kind of just give some context as to what we were looking at, this was behind our camp. There was a bridgelne that was kind of over to the left and where we had seen the light and where we were ultimately looking with the thermal was on

This, and unfortunately, because this was pretty late into the night, it was and we're like, we're like easily fifty feet from the campfires. So when you know Mary and who saw it first pointed in whatever direction as to what she was seeing. I'm tall and I thought she was pointing over here. So she hands it to me, and I personally couldn't find anything, and there were some others that also couldn't see anything as well. But I think

Well, I can't wait to hear you know, if you've got any sort of audio encounters that cooberates the data that we heard. And this is a little bit more on the spiritual side, but there was a woman who I would consider a sensitive who was on the trip with us, and I won't say her name on here, but I thank you guys both know what I'm talking about.

Oh yeah, well you you were, you were there with yeah, right, exactly.

If he doesn't shut the fuck up, I want to go to sleep.

But you had the dowsing rods and you also had an app. I'm not I never did get and if you told me I didn't, I didn't hear. But what that app was, do you have you the dowsing rods and the app that you were doing things with and you got a lot from that as well?

Mm hmmm I did, and it was actually so get this. So I was running it's called Ghost Too, and it's kind of like an on the Ghost spirit Box and we had used it out on the trail and everything, and so we were around the campfire and this one guy he was like, oh, run it, run it while we're sitting here, because everybody wanted to kind of debunk it, to kind of prove like that it's just full of

Being as well. Yeah, so yeah, go ahead, go ahehead.

Has anyone looked at the antipodal positioning of some of these sightings, what.

Does that mean?

Like, for instance, go ahead, I.

Was gonna say that is that it's new to me.

No, So like say, for instance, you're located in Roswell New Mexico, and you adhere to the the Earth is a globe. If you were to put a pin right through Roswell, New Mexico, where would the pin come out on the other side of the globe?

Right?

And so some there is a theory saying that there that suggests that if there is activity like dissociation or anti magnetic or some sort of something would lead to opening a portal, that it would have the equal an opposite effect. So if something's going like, for instance, something's going on insern, what's the opposite end of cern? And is something happening at that same moment that Stern is firing up that's collider? Is something happening on the other side of the globe at that same.

Time, something like Ley lines you're almost.

Talking about more kind of but more of like a direct opposite effect, like a magnet.

I gotcha, magnet the opposite of what's happening at one place?

What's the opposite effect? Basically?

I got you, Like, if it's intaking, is it out taking somewhere else?

That would be something that I have a hard time comprehending without probably a long in depth conversation about it, because in the geometry of doing trees and rigging and tree felling and things like that. The point at an angle and degree at which you start things when you're dealing, when you're you know, starting it here. But the object that we're manipulating is so large it can change unbelievably with just ten feet in difference of height, you know,

The left or the right or upside down or you know what I mean?

So that matters, And it matters also the positioning of the spin and the rotation and whether you're what is it the equinoxes and stuff like that, all that matters.

Yeah, So my mind goes straight to the trees and how that would affect it, and and it is a big effect when it comes trees. So I would I would definitely be interested to know more about exactly what you're talking about.

Because it's not something I've heard of yet.

Yeah, again, that would even have to do with like, I do think some of these locations might be important something to that effect. Uh, is there any other questions? Anybody else said?

No, what do you have a question? Go for it?

So earlier we established that, you know, if you turn the corner and there's bigfoot, what are you going to do? We established that you're gonna need the body right to prove the existence of it.

Who do you report that to?

Like? Do we have someone that deals with that? Like And a lot of people are relying on like when they need to know if something's true or not, like UFOs, they need the government to come out and say, oh this is real, Like who would deal? How would that go down? How do you think that that would play out?

I tell you, put that on TikTok and everybody will start coming at your location and you ain't about reporting to nobody, Like yo, I got I got big foot right here, y'all's location. I'm dropping it in. I'll be here for the next three and a half hours. I guarantee them. Helicopters would be there before any motherfucking on the on the streets.

Will.

I think it would go over so bad in every way, shape and form.

Government.

Yeah, every government organization from every country, all the n g os that that are funded.

If the Russians or the Chinese are here, that'll be right there.

What they should too.

They're gonna reveal all of their military secret technology right then and there, because they're gonna show up way faster than what we currently know to be talking.

Yeah, laid out all on the table right right there.

I just let it all on the table, all from one TikTok, right from one TikTok.

You know, TikTok hasn't even token as it got yet showing up Oh yeah, yeah, before.

You get your first heart that's already above with the high brings on.

I don't I don't spend a lot of time thinking about who do I go to or what would I do? Because here's the thing. The internet's the Internet, and you can say anything, and it's got a global reach at this point in modern technology. So of course, if we find a bigfoot and we get it studied and we get it confirmed that's bigfoot, there's going to be the equal and opposite amount of people that are like, that's a government conspiracy, we're covering this up and that and

You know, I don't know, I don't even know where it would go from there.

But yeah, if just one bigfoot is found initially, even if there's five of them, they're going to be like, oh my god, this is a brand new thing. It's

If I have to be honest with you saying that, so many Hollywood movies come to mind. If that were me, I wouldn't tell anybody. I'd let them go live their life how they need to be.

But that's yo.

You say that, No, I that's that.

But I mean it's one of those things. It's like, man, everybody's out here trying to survive. I don't know, just based on Hollywood movies what the government does to things that are rare.

Yeah, you just you just put something in my head. You remember that movie Village about those people who lived in the woods, and that's yeah, So.

Just think.

I wonder if if you know, because you know that's federal land, do they have that set for because of Bigfoot? Because they don't want people to be on there, you know what I mean, Like people can't cross.

Those those those those places.

You go in there, that's a federal crime. That's a felony just for accidentally going into it.

I believe somebody posted a I don't know, like a factoid or something that about what is it like ninety percent of all National forests were sacred Native American places, So what happened? I'm sure that they were sacred for a reason, and so if they came under the purview of the National Park System, I mean that almost seems I don't know, just very coincidental.

To me, and a lot of abductions.

Absolutely. Are you familiar with Teddy Roosevelt and the conspiracy that lies there with Bigfoot and the National Park?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's kind of what I was like.

Yeah, yeah, that's why I brought up.

Yeah, as I think last time Sarah was on, she knew the name of it, and you you rotted it off with Vyant thor we keep coming back to that.

Oh god, that guy with the six fingers right, probably yeah, to get an extra finger too.

But the Eisenhower Tree where they could abduct a certain.

Amount of the GREYATA treaty there it is, Yeah, and in exchange for technology, Yeah, nothing, go ahead.

I was just saying that the technology came from the seas.

One thing I did want to ask is has anybody in here had a class A sighting or like, has anybody had any I want to know what got y'all interested in it because for me, it's it's super super simple. I'm the house arborist for the for the organization, and Doug and I are are best friends, and he me to come along and just apply my knowledge to it. And I had never even in my life given Bigfoot

I guess for me, I mean just growing up, I've had always believed in Bigfoot and the paranormal.

Uh.

I guess for me, I just I find it interesting. I do think there's something up with it, and I for me, again, I always push on it's the area, but I do think it's probably like a side effect to certain things going on. So that's why I like look at it more from like, I guess different angles. Anybody else I'll go next?

Two reasons. Well, one, I love all things wildlife and all things outside. But one two things that sparked my interest was we were out trapped be key deer on the outer islands of the Florida Keys, where there is no you know, kind of urbanization or anything like that.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's a definitely legitimate question.

Okay, a gilly suit because I have even a Yeah, I entertained a lot of ideas about Bigfoot, and that's been one of them. That's military and gilly suits.

What color was it? Was it a color camp.

It so it was dark, and I would say that it was like brown green. That's why I said maybe it was a gilly suit. Now again, it's to me the way that it looked. I would have to look

Now?

I could see protecting from mosquitoes and all that other stuff, absolutely, but something like that was just Yeah, it definitely gave us pomps.

Just from the height. It's interesting. Yeah, nice. What about you, Burt.

Oh? I would like to think I had a Class A setting. I'm on the fence about what I classified as whether I classified as Bigfoot or something else in the paranormal world, but I'm kind of leaning more towards Bigfoot. And that happened coming up on a year now in November and the Panhandle of Florida. But my basic interest of bigfoot started with my own grandmother having a sighting here in Florida turned out to be in the Panhandle.

Food camp Out.

I'm huge on the why as well. I completely understand the need for that. I you know, when it comes to let's just use my treservice. For example, I'm not just some guy running around with a chainsaw. If you're gonna have me do something, I could explain it down to a peer reviewed study on why this is the right call, because I have to know that.

I can't.

I don't like to just blindly make a decision. I want to know what I'm getting into and why I'm getting into it. And so I completely get that.

So for me, it was just I've always I was always interested in Bigfoot from the from the video, the famous video, and then because of ancient history, I always wanted to know, you know, what the facts were, and then me being in the woods.

I grew up in the country. I'm from Georgia, so we used to.

Play, you know, in the woods all the time, you know, and I'm familiar with, you know, the noises, you know, the coyotes, you know different types of animals and stuff like that, and you know what to look for and all this other stuff. So there were times when I would hear things that just didn't never make sense. I know what a hawk sounds like from being in the woods.

You know.

I go out fishing sometimes, Like I leave at my house at two o'clock in the morning. You got to go into backwoods, and you sit in the backwoods from you know, three till you know till sunrising. You're hearing stuff, You're seeing movement, You're wondering what is going on. It's really quiet a lot. I don't really understand that when you're out there in nature by yourself without any electricity, I mean even lights.

Lights create a sort of a noise. It creates that that noise that.

You was talking about where I was mentioning about audacity, that background noise. You don't necessarily hear it per se, but it does intervene. That's why you can have your volume on your television a certain volume during the day, and then at night it has to be somewhere different because it's sound different to you that when you're in nature, it's.

All of nature acoustics.

It's nothing out there intervening with you, electronic wise.

Nothing.

I mean, I turn off my phone and everything, and it's different out there. And like I said, I would hear things, but I never got to see anything. And then I you know, I got into the ancient text. I mean the Chinese talk about it, that Japanese talk about it. I mean, every individual talks about these types of what we would describe as a bigfoot. And that's why I ask, you know, different species of different bigfoots, you know, racist or even kind of sort as would

Later on it turned into the evil thing with the devil of course, and.

I was, you know, I've always read about these different species that we've had. Like I said, I've done discussion with Michael Kramer. I've read different books about different species of humans, and they say, what is the misconnection will be maybe just maybe out of coincidence, maybe it's Bigfoot. Maybe that's the missing connection between us. We don't know for sure because we don't have a DNA genetic makeup,

Could these be the bigfoots? We don't know.

We don't know what these We don't know what an animal or species look like from their skeleton bones. That's an artist's depiction of what we think it looks like. We don't know for sure because we don't have the skin, we don't have the organs, we don't have the defer, we don't have anything we're just going off of what somebody said they seem you know, we don't know if

And where is? You know, where did they come from?

Where?

And all this other stuff. You know, why is it so important for me? Why is it important for me? Some people have asked me that, And it's because of the simple fact that, you know, we've always been told that we can do things that is not normally in the realm of human needs or human nature, and if we can tap to our inner abilities, and Bigfoot is the missing link in that. I would like to know that, right, I would. I mean, I don't know about other people,

I remember that episode, and I'm gonna play the skeptic here. It's a it's a complicated thing because I don't think that everyone on every continent has a Bigfoot story of some sort for no reason. I mean, there's obviously something to it, and I don't have any experience with bigfoot or anything like that, but I do know about the association between bigfoot and orbs, and I do have a situation with an orb, and I know that Tyrone does as well. So I mean, I just I think Bigfoot

So yep, So you subscribe to the idea that Bigfoot is Well, when you say portals, do you think that they're just here but they can use portals or do you think that they're interdimensional things, because I've heard that. I've heard people subscribe to that theory before.

Specifically, my current thinking is that it has something to do with like the telyric currents that Ricardo talks about a lot. Ricardo comes on the show quite a bit and he talks about te luric currents, which all of ore, all these sacred sites, Stonehenge and the Pyramids and everything, they're all on this grid, in the lay lines and the teluric currents, and it all works together and somehow a portal occurs or something like that. I don't know how it works, but I think that it's all connected

Let me let me ask you some Jeremy, when you say portal, what is your idea of a portal? What would be your description of a portal or usage of a portal?

Well, I guess there's there's the two sides of it, would be interdimensional or just here on Earth where you've got a I don't know, an object in your hand that you can press a button and it's going to get me from Franklin, North Carolina all the way to your front door. So I can make it for dinner on or am I going to go from this dimension to another dimension from however that technology comes up. So

One of my other expertise is the Bible. I studied the Bible like is my hand back of my hand?

Okay, there's a couple of verses in here that actually makes me wonder and this is why I asked you about a portal. So Luke, chapter twenty four, thirty thirty one, thirty through thirty one, it says at Amos when he breaks bread, their eyes were open and then he vanished from their sight.

That's something that would be a bigfoot.

Then you have Genesis eighteen to nineteen three men interpreted as angels of course, or the Lord himself and two angels compaired to Abraham eat with him and then go to Sodom. Their arrival and departure seems supernatural. That's another one, And and there's and there's there's a lot of them. You got the apocrypha that talks about the angel Raphael travels disguise as a man, then later reveals hisself as

Who knows? I don't know, you know, you never know. But my point is that it's the ancient text.

Even the Bible talks about these things where you see something in one moment and then boom, it's gone. You know, we we use the word bigfoot because that's our modern interpretation of what we see that's something other than us, something that's covered in hair.

Well, what is is it really hair?

Could it be what you described as what a gilly suit that would be described as a hair literally interpretation and depictions and you know, drawing something out that a gilly suit would look like a hairy person, but it's not hair.

All well just uh And I would like to say, I don't know if you can see it on camera, but there's Luke twenty three thirty four tattooed on my hand.

And that background noise you got with them can sound.

That too.

Early.

Uh, I guess we could probably wrap it up right around now, guys online, Was there anything else that you, guys Jeremy Douglas wanted to head or say or anything before we wrap it up?

Yeah, Tray Tray has probably got something to say.

Well, I just uh for for the people watching or listening center for Wilderness Cryptostudies dot org. If you've got a sighting, get on there. We don't care where you're from, where you're at, and get on there. Put whatever you can. We keep all of that anonymous.

Uh.

And if you are also somebody that has a property where you would like for where you have activity and would like for us to install equipment there to you know, kind of collect some data and further the research, get a hold of us through the website. Yeah, a big key thing. There is anything you got, even if it's tiny or if it's huge, whatever, it'll be anonymous. We want to know about it. Get a hold of us, and if you want us on your property the collect data, we'll do it.

Get a hold of us, let us know where you're at.

But other than that, thank you very much Nick for hosting us and letting us be here. Thank you for doctor Stamy getting us all connected together. And it's a pleasure to meet all of you guys.

That was awesome. Thank you, and guys get that event too.

Say that again.

You guys are going to be at that event and Franklin right correct, yes, so yeah, people listening they will be there as well, so I check it out. They'll be there. I'll be there, Doctor John Stamy will be there, and a bunch.

Of other So yeah, thank you both. I really appreciate you guys coming on. Of course, Douglas, is there anything that you wanted to add?

The PR guy he's.

Was it gonna leave you?

No?

No, I'm good.

All right, before we wrap it up, I let everybody plug this stuff again real quick. Lisa, we missed you at the beginning, so come back to you what is going on?

Will?

Thank you for making it, thank you, thank you for inviting me. I really really love this. I'm really regretting that I was late to hear all of the equipment lists, but I thought that was a great presentation. Jeremy Douglas. I look forward to hearing more of your findings and thank you very much for sharing all the youve done for the efforts. In terms of me, you can find me on Twitter Solese Lisa for a cult research intat to.

Work checks out listen. Thank you very much for making it, Lisa. I appreciate it, and we got Brooke what is going on?

Brooke?

Thank you for having me from being here. This is so crazy how the universe works out, and it's such a small world. So great seeing you guys again and getting to relive some of those tales and hear it from you know, your perspective as well. So thank you again for having me and this was a great conversation. You can find me wherever you get your podcasts at Dark Florida Podcast on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast.

Yeah, thank you, yeah, And that was awesome how this worked out like that. It was crazy when you were like, yeah, what was it? What the fuck? A small world makes sense? Though you were in North Carolina recently, so real quick before before I let you plug, Tyrone, I just do want to remind people that, yes, October fourth, at the big Foot Comic Con the Factory at ten twenty four Georgia Road in Franklin, North Carolina. These guys will be

All right, once again, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. You gentlemen were awesome. I love the information. Everything you can find on me is on my website Rebirth at the word dot com. And I do talk about Bigfoot in my book, Journey through the Origins of History and a little relationship with his relationship with Thank you to so I appreciate it.

Thank you, Oh, thank you dude. I appreciate you coming on with.

That Nick, I would like to add for anybody that's traveling, for anybody that's traveling to the event that's going to use the GPS, it will not come up as d factory. It's the fund factory. Otherwise you will it won't even it won't even pop up. So the fun Factory Franklin, North Carolina is what is what is needed to be Googled or apps or whatever you use them.

Best of thank you. I'm have to change that then, all right, Sarah, what is all o?

Way?

This has been so much fun. Like I said, I want to believe, and this has given me so many different points to consider to try and you know, piece this puzzle together and I always like to be able to do that with other like minded people. And I just want to thank you for sharing. I think you did a great job. And as far as me, you can find me at x Sahara Cosmos. Also, you can follow our podcast page on ex Universe Unveiled and we

Oh yeah, thank you very much.

And uh yeah, headlet's giant h you send them some stories and I'll send you some stickers.

There you go. We gotta be left.

Uh yeah, that was everybody right, I got everybody guess all right, thank you.

Well, I appreciate it. That all you just made it on tonight. That was awesome.

It was great getting to meet you guys before I actually physically meet you. So and you guys got some really some stuff to tell, so I really appreciate it. This is a really good episode on Bigfoot.

Thank you.

I appreciate it. And uh yeah, it wasn't live, so I have to thank those people or anything. So yeah, that's the end of another pull reachect. Until the next one, everybody be well, you know,