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Prayer Coach Resigns After Court Win

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A football coach who got job back after Supreme Court ruled he could pray on the field has resigned, AP News, Ed Komenda, September 6, 2023,


https://apnews.com/article/praying-high-school-football-coach-supreme-court-461b92b19ea395677657518914825573


Football Coach Whose Prayers Were At The Center Of Major Supreme Court Decision Resigns, Forbes, By William Skipworth, September 6, 2023



https://www.forbes.com/sites/willskipworth/2023/09/06/football-coach-whose-prayers-were-at-the-center-of-major-supreme-court-decision-resigns/?sh=781ba3ed3827

The Non-Prophets, Episode 22.37.1 featuring Cynthia McDonald, Aaron Jensen, Phoebe Rose and Jimmy Jr.


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A high school football coach in Washington's state, Joe Kennedy has resigned after just one game back on the field. Kennedy had waged a seven year legal battle to pray publicly on the field after games, citing religious freedom. The US Supreme Court's conservative majority sided with him last year, allowing his postgame prayers. However, he decided to step down, citing personal reasons, including caring for

an alien family member out of state. Critics argue that the court shouldn't have heard the case, as Kennedy no longer lived in the district and had moved to Florida without notifying the court. Kennedy's case has ignited debate about religious liberties versus the separation of church and state in public schools. Whether his resignation will

have further implication implications remains to be seen this article. The articles used in this episode are in AP News by Ed Kommenda and Forbes by William Skipworth. Phoebe, what do you have to say, Just one word for you? One tossa. That's it. He is a tossa, and he is nothing more and nothing less, an absolute toss But he's not the problem here. The problem here are Alito and Thomas, who are by far the worst pieces of human detritus ever to wear a black robe in Washington, d C.

And sit in one of those nine chairs at one Washington Street. It doesn't matter. It seems that they don't give a monkey. This was not a genuine cake. This was a man trying to impose some form of nonsense on

us, and he succeeded. And those two idiots have allowed the hearing of other such nonsense, like the nonsensical case of three oh three Cre eight, the nonsensical case of Pressure Fix and Masterpiece Cake Shop, all of which fly all the way through the great big illegal precedent that was TWA TWA is a case that said in the nineteen eighties, if you're a religious person and a company says, look, please work on a Saturday because otherwise we're going to

move you to a different state, that's fine, because that's unreasonable to do. What the court has done here is it has allowed people to do the one thing that should never be allowed. And that one thing that should never be allowed is not freedom or religion. It's freedom from religion. And that is the one thing that is now dead. Freedom from religion. Is now

dead in the United States. Jimmy, can you revive it? I don't know that I can revive it, but I can agree that this is completely unconstitutional to allow this man to continue doing that and to set the precedent for

other people to do that. So with everything that Kennedy has been through over the last eight years and drug US all through, drug his community through, and his football team, the one thing I can agree with him with is that the best way he can advocate for constitutional freedom and religious liberty is by working from outside the school, because otherwise he's back on the school and he's forcing the school or excuse me, in the school, and he's forcing the

school to utilize their grounds, which requires funding and other resources to sponsor his religion, which of course is on constitution. But I do think that this guy really was never interested in what was right and what was wrong per se. But I think he was interested in the spotlight. This gentleman has a website where he asks for donations, where he offers his services, and where he makes politically aligned statements that go along with certain candidates, something that I'm

not going to delve into. But all I can say is I see this whole charade as nothing but that, And I don't have a whole lot of faith if you will, that this man really cared about people's rights, are not so, Cynthia. Can you comment on that? I can, and I will, And I saw what you did there. I saw what you

did, Jimmy, and I agree. I don't have much faith either that this person is actually really tearing about being God's instrument in order to bring prayer to the young people on the football field, especially when we covered actually mister Kennedy a few times in the past, and when his story came up and it was actually taken to the Supreme Court and the Conservative Court actually sided with

him. Justice Neil Gorcich wrote that the best of our traditions counsel mutual respect and tolerance, non censorship and suppression for religious and non religious views alike. But one thing that brought up that mutual respect and tolerance was what Ken Joe Kennedy was practicing and the school that told him to pray in the locker room instead of making a grand display after games in midfield. He completely ignored that.

And even the ap article mentioned that the Americans united for separation of church and state represented the school in the district case. Actually at the Supreme Court argued that the Supreme courts even should have actually dismissed this case as moot because Kennedy didn't even live in Bremerton and had failed to notify the court of his three thousand mile move and for the more civilized world, that's forty eight hundred kilometers when he went to of all places, Florida, let that sink in.

Regardless, he did cite that he had personal issues and that's the reason why he left his job, that he fought for seven years to do his way. And now, as Jimmy mentioned, he has a personal website. Oh and I was also going to mention, Jimmy, don't forget boyfriend has a publicist. Okay, he has a publicist. That's somebody with plans for stardom right there. This is very much so. And I and I agree with that. I agree with the grifting, and I agree with stardom.

Well, and you know where he's gonna actually get his book? Well, yeah, I'm breathe, breathe, But you know, four seconds and four seconds out. But I tell you, well, yes, yes, will save all English people every time. But but you know with him having actually a publicist, he actually had lunch with Governor Desantist, and Desantists actually asked him, would you please, you know a campaign stop with me, but he turned him down because he is loyal to four a time and died at

former President Donald Trump principles people principles. But just one thing I just wanted to point out on that we actually talked about on previous shows is that the team that he coached for over seven years, seven years ago rather did not

have a stellar performance, showing on multiple ocase. So I suppose that along with all his personal problems, he wanted to announce that he was leaving after the team actually won the first time that he was coaching again twenty seven to twelve over the visiting Mount Douglas Secondary School, to show my God still stands and shows up for your calls just to win football, because that's why God is around people. I don't know if you knew that that God only in

existence to win football. Yes mebe heart out. Yeah, buddy, God help me find my car keys this morning. I just want to say that it wasn't told me Tubville. God also helped me find a parking space. I didn't know if you knew that. So there you go. So for Earl Gray Tea for part finding parking spaces and also finding your keys, that is what God is good for. But you know, I just but nevertheless than any of that, guys, I just really wanted to remind the audience

of something. But before I do actually remind what the Bible says, because we are already know that what's important amongst any of our opinions is what the Bible says, I wanted to go ahead and just give it back to Aaron to just do a little bit more commentary, if you will, please, sir. Yeah, I'm gonna try not to get worked up because this this this this case in our current Supreme Court. If anything's gonna get me worked up, it's it's these biscors. Yeah. I don't know what theer is,

but I hope it's really really bad. You can say in Parliament, but only if you're aferrd to somebody who's wasteful with money in any other references, but you know, Tulsa someone who's wasteful with money. So gorse is in his opinion on the case, and I think somebody mentioned this as well, that the best of our traditions, you know, council mutual respect and

tolerance, not censorship and suppression for religious and non religious views alike. No, the best of our traditions is a secular state is a state free from religion. That is the best of our traditions. When you have when you have a secular government, it gives everybody the freedom to practice the religion as they choose in private. Sec Secular governments require freedom and democracy, require respect

and tolerance. Religion is the institution that engenders authoritarianism. God the ultimate authoritarian, do what I say or else. Censorship. All those religious nutballs that want to ban books, I don't see many secular people out there trying to ban books. Religious institutions suppression. They're the ones that want to enforce sexuality, they want to enforce gender expression. They want to put a limit on

free speech. So if I could put up bluntly fork the Supreme Court, fork Mitch McConnell for putting this court together fort Clarence Thomas and his corrupt hypocrisy. That's what religion does to people. The ends justify the means. It's okay to be corrupt if it furthers the kingdom of some corrupt god, fort God, and all the religions Phoebe especially breakdown what actually happened in this case.

So the Supreme Court have said, effectively, you could say a few words to yourself on some grass whilst kneeling after you've had your backside handed to you by a better football team. Think of how much time has been wasted. You've got death row cases, you've got constitutional questions. But they've done is. They have said, yeah, we'll hear the case about the man kneeling on the grass. I mean, come on, he's kneeling on the grass. And they said, look, please don't do that, and he's

gone. But I want to it's my religion. They've gone, please do it in the locker room, Please don't do it here. Yeah, but I want to kneel on the grass. I want to kneel on the grass from shut my eyes and look a complete prapp total and nut on war on or wanker a tossa you know, human detritus, absolute brain rot. Sure there's no altromotive the fifty yard line in front of everybody, No Altria motive.

There just was the private quiet prayer. I'm sure the real question just happens to be the fifty yard line where everybody can see and hear him. Now, the real question is how many downs did it take him before he realized that he was going way up? Did he score his touchdown? Did he do the conversion? And do you conversion anybody? But he definitely touched down in Washington, DC. But what I would say is that this second, one second, I just wished it. We just had am. But

I'm bumpching just for you right now. But continue. But what I would say is that this is indicative of the Roberts Court. The Roberts Court takes up tripe. Genuine tripe is fed to the Roberts Court and it comes out in rubbish like Burbevy, hobby Lobby, Masterpiece cake shop, three oh three, creative. It's Varnum, which was a case about a guy who was suing for a dollar a dollar. He said, I want nominal damages because

they said I couldn't evangelize the people on university grounds. What planet is the Roberts Court living on? What absolute nonsense? I mean? John Roberts since two thousand and ten, has shown that he will go down in history as the worst Supreme Court justice America has ever had Roger B. Tawney. You're off the hook, Jimmy. Are you putting Roger B. Tawney back on

the hook or replacing him with John Rogers? I replaced him. I replaced him with Chief Justice Roberts a long time ago because he couldn't even get the oath right when he signed in or swore in Barack Obama. I mean, they had to redo our presidential oath behind closed doors. So that was a that was a no go for me. That was a no go. You're a chief justice, you need to know what the constitution says that you're required to do. You say that, though, but thinking of big, big

moments in American history. They got the name of O. J. Simpson wrong when they were reading out the verdicts. They said that they got his name wrong to stop, so they had to do it again. Enthal James

is tricky. They put that on anyone. Uh, you know, I think I think the Gorsage quote about mutual respect and tolerance is like a really important point and I'm glad that everybody picked up on that because uh, and and forgive me for kind of repeating what Aaron said, but I have to I have to concur what about the mutual respect that the people who are not getting uh these things at the hand of the of any church of any religion,

right, They're they're using this idea of mutual respect to prop up their own interests and then oppress people in the same token. So that just that kind of echoes with what Coach Kennedy said, no Americans should be forced to choose between their faith and the job they love. Well, it looks like he chose his faith over the job he loves. But what about the Americans that have no choice in the matter and are being forced to subject their children

and have to sit through this constitutional violation perpetuated by the Supreme Court. Uh, not only in the case you know, or in the case of the prayer at the in the middle of the field preceding the court verdict, but also all the cases that come after. I mean, who's really being forced into anything? Is it? Is it the religious people who always cry victimization or is the rest of us, uh secular nuts who just want to enjoy

ourselves without being without being force fed religion. So having said that, I just want to say, I think there's also some some truth to the fact that this guy, after eight years, returned to a community that's probably sick of him. I mean, he was there probably for one week and decided, you know what, I'm just not in anymore. I mean people probably shake their heads and roll their eyes when this guy comes because they just want

to watch their kids play football, not be on Fox News. While the Supreme Court case, you know, kind of covers the events for the day. And I will say, lastly, you know, while it's easy to knock the overt offenses that we know that the Supreme Court is taking, and the overt offenses that we know religious people are comfortable with against the rest of us, I do want to highlight that I hope Coach Kennedy's family member is okay. I mean that I'm not a complete, complete monster. I don't

want to see anybody in pain or suffering. So if he really did have to step away to take care of somebody, I just want to, you know, offer condolences and say, hope it works out. Cynthia, what do you think, Well, you know, I have I have things to think about. I did want to just mention that, you know, one of the things that I really believe that mister Kennedy is positioning himself, especially since he felt that he could do better work outside of the school that he

was employed. And and also you know, he did say that he does plan to help people understand and embrace the historical ruling at the heart of this

case. And he and with that, I was thinking, since you were asking what, I thought that he was most likely positioning himself to be another face for like maybe like the Christian nationalism and possibly to be even used by organizations like the National Association of Christian Alimmakers that will most likely try to capitalize on this case and do more legislation that blows the lines between religion and government.

But that was my particular thought. But I believe the Phoebe you did have a smidge to So whilst we may all be going out of here wanting to, you know, scream and stuff, don't don't everybody, don't. Go instead and read the case of Satanic Temple the Sauce And Valley School District, because that was a case of religious freedom that I can get behind. That was a case where saus And Valley School District said no to the Satanic

temple. The Satanic Temple. You may think a lot of things about the Satanic Temple, but they are not a genuinely religious with a capital R group. There are a small R religious group in the same way, for tax purposes a church is, and a mosque is also for tax purposes, a small see church. So this group of effect actively atheists calling themselves the Satanic Temple try to get a room on school premises, just like the Christian group

did, just like the Jewish group did, et cetera. And they were told to and they went to court, and the court told school district you telling them to fuck off. We're telling you to fuck off because you were wrong. They have just as much right as atheists as those who have theism to have school premises accessibility. It's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Now get me out of here. I'm an atheist. The

Yeah. The absolute corruption on display by this by the Supreme Court has started with McConnell not seeding one of President Obama's nominations, not even having a hearing on it, and then it goes on to what we found out from Pro Publica, the gifts that Clarence Thomas has received over the years, unapologetic about it, unapologetic, and then to the to the kses, they're they're they're taking they have that they have no business taking this case, in particular,

Coach Kennedy lives in Florida. When it get into the Supreme Court, and they chose to hear it anyway, even though he assured the court that, oh, no, I'm ready tomorrow to take my job back. Yeah, you're you're across the country. I don't think so. The Court wanted to take this case, and so they didn't care what the reasons were. They

let it slide through. And you've mentioned Phoebe, the three or three creative case where the person that was supposedly injured injured by this lost by the rules by being forced to create websites for same sex couples, never even received an actual request from the same sex couple to make a website, had no standing whatsoever, no grounds to see their case in the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court hurt it anyway because they wanted to, because they wanted to make

a statement, they wanted to be activists, and they wanted to change the law. And the Supreme Court needs we need we need it needs to change. I'm not sure what about it needs to change it. We need more judges, if we need retire term limits, that's for people smarter than me and more loyally than me to decide. But something's got to be done about our Supreme Court, Cynthia, I agree, something definitely needs to be done

about the Supreme Court. I know that there's actually talks of actually in positioning the code of ethics for the Supreme Court. I know that Congress is actually mulling it over, trying to push something into that in particular aspect. I hope that they do. I you know, I know that our government is actually set up with our three branches, our executive branch, our legislative France, and our judiciary branch in order for us to provide checks and balances for

one another. But you know, it seems like that we're having a hard time these days with the checks balance. And there's a reason why there's a reason why Christian Nationalists are going up went after the Supreme Court. It's a reason that was our target is because it's the it's the most susceptible to corruption and least least likely to be checked exactly, especially when you have your judges

there for life, but book. But I'm bum chain exactly. But you know, I just want to leave our listeners with something going back to the demonstration and mister Kennedy decided to do and fight for his job back for seven years. Let's go back to the not so good book. I've a lot to take our listeners to Matthew six verse five in the Authorized King Jamee's version,

for you fundies in the audience. And when thou wast pray, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are nay nay, or they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the street, that they may be seen of men. Barely, I say unto you. They have their reward. Verse six says, but thou, when thou wast pray, enter into thine closet, and when thou hast shut thy door to keep out the devil, pray to thy father, which is in secret, And thy Father,

which seeth in secret, shall reward the open. And verse seven concludes, But when ye pray, use not vain repetition as the heathen dona no no, for they think that they shall be heard, for they are much speak, be not therefore like unto them. For your father AH know it what thinks ye have need of before you ask, And if you, dear listener, have an ask. For more from the nonprofits, click here

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