Pay their skeptics and Thanksgiving enthusiasts get ready for a parade of opinions as we dive into the controversy surrounding the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade. Now, it seems like the turkeys aren't the only ones getting roasted this year. A conservative group, one Million Moms, has launched a petition declaring this year's parade a non binary and transgender extravaganza. Apparently they're concerned about exposing the masses to what they call
the liberal LGBTQ agenda. Well, brace yourself, folks, because it's about terrain, Glenner, and tolerance on your Thanksgiving feast. The petition specifically targets performers like Justin David Sullivan, a non binary singer with a Broadway breakout role, and Alex Neuel, who identifies as non binary and plays the female role of Lulu in the musical Shook. I mean, who knew Thanksgiving could be
so avant garde? So grab your cranberry sauce and join us as we dissect the drama behind the floats, the feathers, and the fabulousness in this year's Maycy's Thanksgiving Parade, And remember folks, if the Turkey isn't the only one causing a stir this year, at least we'll have a front row seat to the spectacle. This article is from The New York Post, published November twelfth,
twenty twenty three. So, peeps, what to think. I'm coming to you, Jonathan First, Well, this is another nothing burger by extreme right religious bigots who really just want to basically do what they hate when we cancel them. They want to cancel and continuously attack any public expression of queerness. It's a never ending attempt to push us back in the closet. But the genies already out of the bottle. So the big big lie is million,
mom. It's not a million, mom. It's like even their Facebook and other social media sites, the total that I've been given on the when I looked for it was approximately forty six thousand, forty seven thousand, something like that. So it's point zero four six million, not a million. I guess they're working on it, but it seems every time they come up
with another outrage thing to push, they get less and less followers. So that's a good thing, but I'm sure it's really trying for them to try and get you know, all this momentum behind their hatred and their bigotry, and it just kind of falls flat. So even even their own people are starting to say, eh, walk away. So you know it's again. You know it's not outrageous enough. They keep doing it and saying we need a new you need a new outrageous thing so that you can keep them coming
and keep your your movement going that hopefully is dying out. So anyway, what do you think. I do think you may be wrong on the mayion number. I think that between all of them there may be close to a million brain cells between them collectively. But beyond that, I have to say that when I first read the title this Extravaganza, I was excited. You know, I never really pay attention to the Macy's parade. It's not really my kind of idea of a parade. In New Orleans, we know how
to do both parades and extravagandism. If these people really want to lose their shit, I'd be happy to bring into some really fun parades back home. But you know they're not ready for that. So when I looked at them and tried to take them serious, and I agree that they are hurting right now, there's definitely a group of people that are growing tired of their rhetoric. But I do believe they really think their society is falling apart, and
in some ways they are absolutely correct. I don't agree. But what's going on is the illusion that they're concuone within that society that they exist within. That is being disman and it needs to be. Those values and priorities that they hold in such exteem are being challenged, and that's what they're reacting like children about. You know, they get offended. You know, they're talking about you know, the as Cynthia mentioned, the liberal LGBT agenda. You
know, they're talking about my family. You know, they're talking about my children, and they're treating them as if there's something to be reviled objects of discuss. It's important for children and people to see people represented who are like them, who are proud to be who they are. That's really all it
boils down to. Now. What really made it turn for me, though, is when I sat and got a little serious about this and thought about these are twenty thousand people who signing this, and they all represent households that they're going home and they're bringing this rhetoric home. They're not just signing a
petition, they're talking about these types of things. And I couldn't think about how many children are sitting silently in those homes with a secret, children who are being raised unknowingly by their parents to think that they're broken, that something's wrong with them. Now, they can continue to try to shelter their kids from the real world if they want to, it doesn't really work out in my opinion. Real life does have the tendency of making its way into reality.
They should worry about their own and that's their right. But you know, it's important for them to be supportive of their kids. I know it's important for all parents. So it disturbs me to see them get on this binge of hate and demonstrate that to their children. But it's important to be supportive when kids are doing the things that you don't want, you don't expect
or even hope or desire. Those aren't your choices to their own people, and they need to let their own children and other children experience life as it is. You know, let people be them The celebration is no different. It should be the same. Let the people there be themselves. Quit trying to put people in a box. And I'm glad to see groups like the million Moms starting to weaken and lose a little bit of their grasp, and I hope it only gets more. No, Phoebe, what are you thinking
about these awesome people? It's bigotry with a website. It's you know much, I mean a million moms, And then I should think the number petition
signatis is genuine? I mean, how many of these are actually you know, like bots or people that have signed up multiple times, that have done all these things just to inflate the numbers slightly because you know, you've got you know, lovely elon out there, and here's you know, half a million users every month, five hundred thousand users every month, yet half a
million any refused to say, have meny those with bots? They won't tell you how many of these signatories bots because you know, you know that some of these aren't going to be real signature. So that twenty thousand numbers, it's inflated. As far as I care said, it's never as high as the number actually said. But what can I say? I read the article from the New York and the New York Post. You read it, and you could tell that the person writing it is pissed off actually covering this shit.
You could just tell they put in quotation marks all of their nonsense, and you can just tell that the person who is writing it has clearly had enough a similar fit of outrage. Blah blah blah was one of the lines that was actually used in the article by the person who wrote it, because it's persontically a bit told right, this about this wonderful But as far as they're they'd rather be covering anything but this, because they don't really give up
monkeys about you know, bigotry versus the glitter ball. They don't really give a toss about all of that. And it's just like, oh, well, you know, total bollocks and complete idiocy from a bunch of tickets. What were we expecting in this da and age from the dying messages and convulsions of you know, the million mum's campaign of you know, chrysto fascist lunacy that you know, part of the stop the world is spinning too fast? I want to get a high feeling sick idiots. I mean, what kind
of people were we expecting here? I mean, I don't hold much out about this. I don't even know what to thanksgiving. Their parade is for goodness sakes. But you know, these people, they're the you know what we have in the UK. We call these people the Renter goon, the Renter loon, or the renter. You know, you you have your cause. You want a few more people to turn up to us, So you
go, yeah, hello, can you turn up here? You know there's sort of free wine here if you tell, oh, okay, so ten mothers and one dog turns up and you know some of them have got bad bleached hair and you know all the other rubbish. But it doesn't mean anything. Pay these idiots the attention they deserve, which is about as much attention as I pay the poo that is being flushed away into the sewerage system.
Absolutely no attention whatsoever should be paid to these kinds of people. And the less attention that is paid to these people, the less their rhetoric will be heard, and the more they will just die out, and the faster the world can move on from these kinds of million brain cells of lunacy. Well, you know, Phoebe, I'm going to have to disagree with something that
you said. You need to pay attention to the boo that goes down your toilet, because if it gets stopped up, that's a big bill that I'm going to tell you that you're going to be paying to your parmber just saying all I will say is the local sewerage company. They have a very good on poll and insurance service around these parts and were very good, very good. I'm always about their whole warranty life insurance. It's a good thing,
you see, it is it is disagreement. That's the first thing I pay every month, Pay my warranty, pay that insurance, I tell you. But here's the thing. What is a Thanksgiving Day parade? What actually is this that we're okay? What is okay? What is it okay? So even though this is not in my notes, but I'm just gonna go ahead and just kind of just give a big, you know, overview of what
the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade is. It is traditionally a parade that has been put on by the store Macy's down down department store, Macy's right in New York City, in Manhattan, as they say, island, Yes on the island. Yeah, it has been going on. I am I don't. I'm not truly sure. I'm pretty sure that people who are watching us in look up how long the parade has been going on, and if anybody went on, I don't want to go ahead and quickly google that. Do your thing.
Any New York is out there screaming that. You know the answer, It doesn't HPP right the pre record right, but you can put it in the commons section below if you want. Uh, we would totally read that. But yeah, so it's been but it's been a staple. I would definitely say on Thanksgiving, and it usually has references to pageantry between Thanksgiving and ramps up the Christmas hopping shopping holiday. Okay, so it's a lot of
times. You know, you have like your marching bands, you have your children's choir singing, you have the this is the crowball that the corporate people use to open your wallet. Pretty much. Yeah, it's good, pretty much. See totally unlike when I'm I'm sorry, no, go ahead, what are you saying? Totally unlike what I'm used to as a parade. I'm used to New Orleans, where it's well nothing you can air on TV. Ever, so I never even entertained the idea of anything like that.
But I'm sorry, Cynthia, you are totally fine because the parade that I'm used to big grades. I'm used back home in England, home city Bright and hope anyone knows anything about it. It's called the gay capital of Europe. It has any enormous pride parade in August and we're talking, you know, hundreds of thousands of people here. They shut down the damn city. That's the kind of thing. It's got floats, it's got you know, fabulousness, it's got you know, protesting at the front, protesting at the
back. And you know, if you live there and you don't like it, why you're looking in Bright, Well it's but it's like that without the protesting and shout out that you're protesting. Now, I mean protesting by you know, keyboard. It's it's it's protesting. It's fake outrage. Let's just you know, I don't like the term of fake outragetic outrage. Well okay, well synthetic, I'm gonna call it fake. Fake is as much as my hair is. But the only reason why I'm saying that shout out to
the beauty supply. But you know, and shout out also to our lovely crew person who told who just let us know that the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade began in nineteen twenty four. But but the whole issue with all of this is that one million moms, which is usually two Karens, gets on some type of a dog and a dog and it's not for the dog is always up there, always feel sorry for the dog, though you should feel hardy for the dog. Well, the dog is not is in a very joyless environment.
If you think that that's your that's your mom environment of everything exactly, well, I mean, well that takes that bold and you know you run into a baby. Well the dog is the only adult in the room, you know, Well to steer the dog and the conversation back to what we're discussing. This will one million not so moms. Not so one million moms does this all the time. They find something to bitch about in the culture
wars. It's always and it's always something that is so minuscule or or or just you raise a point that raisin point there and move into much more serious. The New York Post article cites the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is a notorious anti trans rank amplifies and exaggerates. Yeah, it is not conservative, it's a tabloid. You don't realize The Mail is not left, it's not right, it's not center. It hands no political position. If is
populist, tabloid crash will start to finish. Well, actually, well it's I mean, well national requires mostly like that. But he Enquiry doesn't make any claims that it's a true representation of society or reality. It doesn't make any claims whatsoever. And then my favorite editor, I get to say his name, David Pecker, was found was found wanting when you know, he didn't actually publish an article about a porn staff that had an affair with the
forty first United States. But anyway, anyway, leaving the forty fifth president of the United States out of this conversation, mal isn't a for publishing anti trans screeds and amplifying the most minuscule of nonsense. A good friend of mine, who plays football, once appeared on the back page of the Daily Mail because she had the tamerita to be a trans woman playing football, so they ran a three day spread on her playing football. She wasn't even playing at
any grand level. She was playing in the second lowest tier of English women's football. But there was a very interesting article that it had come about in relations Daily Mail. Daily Mail publishes an inordinately large number of dog whistle anti
trans rhetoric and dog whistle amplification anti trans articles over nothing burgers. And in January twenty twenty three, so in a thirty one day period, they published one hundred and fifteen articles on trans people and eighty seven percent, that's one hundred articles were described as anti trands by the Daily Mail. That's what's being amplified here. These things are things that are amplified by the lunatics. Yeah, I mean, but that's what But that's the point that I was just
getting to. They take something like this and they amplified in order for them to just continue to push their narrative. That is, are the one Million Moms and other conservative conservative groups ad as calm conservative because that's how they basically deemed themselves in the United States, same as the Moms for Liberty and basically
any person that you know comes on the Daily Wire or new Smacks. A matter of fact, I think that in this particular article, there was a YouTube video of one of the moms that was talking about basically, how now now that Macy's Day Thanksgiving parade has become an area of where they are entering themselves in the cultural wars so that they can indoctrinate children. This is the
narrative that they are pushing out. And one of the things that I get really annoyed about, and I think, and I think this comes from me being an artist, is that I understand that you are in New York doing this parade. New York is a hotbed of artists, singers, dancers, visual artists, media, all this stuff. I mean, like and traditionally this is where artists have gone in order for them to be discovered and too and even to be uh to go under apprenticeships and be tutored in their arts
and so on and so forth. Some of the great American thinkers, I would say, actually came out of New York. So I get really I get personally triggered when I hear the moms for one millionists that quite say some crazy things about a whole pageantry that's really about art and crowing open your wallets for Christmas. I mean, we're gonna keep it a book, you know, but you know, but one of the things that I, you know,
thought about, especially since they were talking about David Sullivan. And also I want to say I mentioned their name at the beginning, David Sullivan. I'm sorry, Yeah, justin David Sullivan and also Alex Newell, both of them in Music on Broadway, and also Alex Newell who is in in Shook. Specific we've always had artists that were criticized when they were doing something that was outside of the norm per se. I hadn't hear that there was criticisms
of Mozart. There were different composers that said that Mozart had too many notes in his compositions when he were yes, bbe, I see your face. But that was the criticism of Mozart. Another thing was said even and then I even kind of jumped forward to one of my contemporaries, Lil Kim, who was criticized for being way too provocative in her lyrics and also her dress and being influential to other young girls who are looking up to her as a
role model. But she had one of the sickest styles in the game in the nineties. She was an icon in her own right, you know, from the nineteen the late nineteen nineties up into the two thousands. I mean, girl was on points that all have to say is that these people have a right to be able to express themselves else in the way that they see
fit when it comes to their identity. And the thing that I see specifically with these people is just their hatred, their bigotry, their fear of a of a landscape that's changing to not look like the white, middle class nuclear family. So with that being said, what are you guys' thoughts on what specifically they are outraging against. Do you think that it's mostly just them using their platform because they're scared, or they are one to using it for control
or both? What say you, Jonathan, I say they're really doing it to try and basically put us all back in the closet. Being out and proud is not open to negotiat. Being fairly and honestly represented on the public stage is also not open to discussion. Sorry, the you know, the Moms for a Million, Moms for Tyranny, This is a publicity stunt and it's just as poorly done as their hair and nail. They just don't get it. Society changes and you have to either change with it. Or become
extinct. So I'm just kind of I'm really kind of annoyed. But they have to face it. Their days are number. These are the dying gasps of people clutching their pearls and you know, screaming into the wind that the good old days are fading out and modern day reality is creeping into my life. I've got to let it go. So and I don't want and and to your point, remember those pearls are not fake, They're synthetic, which you say, Sophie, I'm definitely not going to say something that you said,
Jonathan. I'm not going to say anything about anyone's nails or hair. So just starting there, I'm gonna I'm gonna move past that one. But I do think it's fear. I absolutely think this is coming from a place of fear of people seeing the world changing. Now we look at it and say, hey, the world may be changing for the better, but they look at it and say, hey, the world's not the one that I'm
comfortable with. It's not the one I was I'm familiar with. It's not the one that I was raised to think that is the right way to be. And these people are deviating from what I think is right, and they can't do that, And of course that's the problem that they need to learn that they can believe whatever they want about their lives. They can do whatever they want, but their ability to tell me are you or anyone in our audience is zero, And that's the message that needs to be hammered home.
And right now I'm pretty hopeful things are starting to look kind of disastrous for some of these groups. So I'm looking forward to the future and seeing some of these groups become irrelevant like they should be, because they are a joke, and speaking of jokes, very much not a joke, Phoebe. It's the dying, convulsions and vestiges of a past which is dying and is currently on life support, being propped up by a defibrillator that occasionally convulses them back
into life once every so often. It's not worth giving these groups the time of day anymore. Their day has come, their day has gone, and soon we are residing at the funeral of all of these groups because they will be extinct like the dinosaurs. Indeed, well, I'll just say this in conclusion. Whether you see the macis Thanksgiving Day parade as a non binary and tribes, gender extravaganza or a celebration of diversity. It's clear that discussions around
inclusion and representation are far from over. We also know far too well that they're not so. One million moms are not about inclusion whatsoever. If it ain't white and straight, it's a problem and this is their mo o and it's tiresome. But we would like to know what you, dear viewer and listener, are wondering when it comes to this topic. What are your thoughts? Make sure you put them in the comments below.