Fundraising, fraud, and other such wonderful things that have been happening through the telephone. So let's delve in as we go and try and get some of this to go. So let's have a good ring on here. Who's going to answer me that this is going to ring ring, ring ring. Hello? Well, I have to say thank you, Phoebe. I just wanted
to say that. In this latest investigation, Pro public uncovered a network of political nonprofits that exploit donors by redirecting over ninety percent of contributions to fundraisers rather than the promise causes. These groups include the American Breast Cancer Coalition, manipulating compassionate donors who believe in donations day cancer patients, veterans, and firefighters. To evade penalties that have these people have been banned from charitable fundraising, these
operators have switched to political fundraising. This loophole allows them to continue their deceptive practices under the guise of political adnolacy, underscoring significant regulatory and oversight deficiencies. This story is from Pro publica by Elis Somani on June eighteenth, twenty twenty four. So I can tell you why they haven't been banned from political fund raising, and that's because the First Amendment makes it very difficult to ban people
from political speech and money. As far as Citizens United Versus Federal Election Commissions concerned, is a form of speech, and it's for political speech, and therefore under Citizens United Versus Federal Election Commission you can't restrict political speech in the way that was being done. So the First Amendment says that political speech is the most difficult and highest bar too restrict, and it is now and impossible
to restrict political speech. So political speech under the First Amendment allows the First Amendment to be cannibalized by the First Amendment because the First Amendment allows political speech to advocate that political speech can destroy the First Amendment by advocating for the policies or destroy the First Amendment. Well, I say is this is a dense article and there's a lot to go. Thank you for illustrating that, Phoebe.
Look, here's the issue that I'm saying with all this. So you've got these people who know how to play these games, they know these loopholes. The reason they can play these games and know these loopholes is because of how they've been educated. The access to understanding this stuff, you know, and then the people around them know this type of stuff. Blah blah blah. You know, it's crazy because before I'm just a working class welding guy.
You know, I'm a welding inspector. I'm just I supervise other welders. I wouldn't know shit about this. This is like so not part of like the daily American working class experience loopholes, and I rs shit and blah blah blah. It's insane. This is my bread and butcher. This is my bread and butcher, this kind of stuff. Being in the legal field,
this is my bread and butter. I know just where and when people will start sailing the America's cup, how far they'll get through before the mast catches, and I will know exactly when they need to turn around and you know, head for home. This is this is unfortunately, my bread and butter. It's not saying that I endorse or encourage or have clients where I do this for. I am no Saul Goodman in this world or Jimmy McGill or you know, Gene Tacific, whatever you want to call that character.
But as somebody who is legally trained this is one of the problems of having the law as it currently stands. The tax code as it was current as it currently stands, is volumes. Somebody said that once an appropriations bill was passed by Congress that weighed thirty seven pounds when it was printed off. That's that's not British pounds, that's US pounds. So for you those of you
using the metric system, that's about fourteen kiloas this damn thing weighed. We are talking and absolutely inordinate or waste that he's created by the regulations that you can sail. You can race the Monaco Grolm pre through it and have the entire Formula One World Championship race quite happily through all of these loopholes, and I'm sure Infidel wants to do that. Well, I'll spare the loopholes because I think that they probably already know what they're doing well enough that I'm not
even going to try to explain it. But i will say that one in particular, I noticed Thomas burk and Bush. They mentioned him, and it seemed that almost immediately after being convicted or actually was settled, it was a settlement that when they got these bands and these fines immediately, he just rolled right over to an office edge LLC and under him they found ten different groups that are connected to him that have raised collectively over thirty three million dollars.
And then this is just so odd because they are taking advantage of this same people. It's like they're mining from the same farm of people who have good intentions. And you know, it's almost like a church. You know, you find the people with the good intentions and the people who have a bleeding heart, a heart that they want to be in the world to be a
better place. And they hear who wouldn't want to help cancer patients, who wouldn't want to help veterans, And so they take these causes that reach in and grab people by the heart, and what do they do. They take advantage of them. And that's where I have an issue with this whole thing
of well, it's First Amendment, so we really can't touch it. I get what they're saying, but the bottom line is is that I don't think Thomas Burkinbush's First Amendment rights a freedom of speech would be inhibited if he wasn't allowed to be in political fundraising. He may have to go find a real job but they're IRS is saying they're not. They can't do anything about it.
This blows my fucking mind again. I know, construction workers, welders, all the guys, everybody, and then the trades in the industries. IRS will go after each one of these guys for ten thousand dollars, fifteen thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars. They have plenty of time to go after the fucking low hanging fruit, which is the poor in the working class, just like we see in the fucking legal system and every other system. They
target the poorer working class. But somehow, some way, this it's easy, it's easy eat. But somehow this thirty three million dollars all we don't know what to do with it. It's disgusting to me. It is so fucking discussing because the tax code is written to allow these scurits to operate. I mean, these five twenty sevens they operate quite openly. These five twenty sevens, they spread lies when they are given the chance. I mean,
does anybody remember Bush v. Carry two thousand and four? Do why the review to remember that election? Yes? Unfortunately, why the review to remember a five to twenty seven that was called swift Veterans for Truth, so that organization spread lies about drown Kerry getting his purple still rubbish. But you can't touch them because it's political speech. You can't touch them because it's an advert
through A five twenty seven. You can't touch them because the Supreme Court has codified that you can't touch that kind of speech in a fair and open, democratic society. Whether I agree with that is absolutely relevant, But that's what the current state of the war is. What you have here, though, is you have scam PACs. I mean, the people that donated the Swift Boat Veterans of Truth knew that they were a George W. Bush leaning organization
that was going to attack John Kerry somehow. The fact that they used a broad version of the truth, which is probably you know, truth calling it that is probably not an accurate statement by me. But these scam pacts, they are not actually doing what they're saying. You actually have to have some
kind of political output to actually be a political action committee. There's no political output in these action committees because what's going on is nepotism, hoovering up of funds on other things that are unrelated to the politics that is being advocated in advanced here. So what's going on. It's the lining of the pockets and aunts of themselves, are the companies of sisters, of wives, you name
it. Everyone's in on the game on this because it's millions of dollars and it's really difficult to get out because of Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, has said, political speech is money. Political speed is not just what you see here. It's the almighty dollar bill, it's the almighty fifty cents, it's these coins are political speech. Apparently this is a form of political speech, which is absolutely absurd, that's fuscinating. I don't even consider this
political speech. So then, and that's the problem where the code clearly needs to be rewritten, because essentially what you have is you have a group of people who are in the business of raising for a political cause under the guise of charity. And if you're going to use a charity as your front of saying this is to help charities, then at some point I think that you need to be able to legally demonstrate that some charitable organization is reaping those rewards.
And because at this you just have fundraising for the act of fundraising to give it to other groups who are supposedly fundraising for the same thing. It's really just a rents and repeat onraising. What they're doing here. What they're doing here is they have the same thing as a peer review circle. Here.
So for those of you who have seen episodes on creationism and evolution and intelligent design, where you have these groups of so called scientific researched things that have been peer reviewed, where they haven't actually been independently peer review by group of peers, They've just been peer reviewed by group of people who would agree with the same or what you have here is you have the same circle the okay, we all raise the money, will pay you to do the appmin
who will then pay you to do the appmen who will then pay you to do the appening, who will then pay you to do the appening, who will then pay you to you to you, And the output of this is so minimal that it is absolutely mind bending. The layers of shell that you have to go through to get to the core that then shows that there is absolutely nothing in the middle of this at all, apart from a few hundred dollars here and there going on an advert here and there for breast cancer,
as was listed in the article. This lawsuit, which is now on class action by the individuals in California who have been targeted by these scamp acts, is going to be very interesting because if a judge entertains this class action, you could be looking at not just millions, but you could be looking at Alex Jones style settlement here or Alex Jones style judgment in the billions. Because
this undermines the democracy that this nation is built on. The republic that the United States is built on, has to have these kinds of safeguard rails to stop the First Amendment from being used to cannibalize the First Amendment. No, I agree, And what this reminds me of these are the same people who you know, they don't want to tax churches, and churches don't have to open books, churches have we I live down the street from Joel Ostein's church,
Lakewood, literally down the street. I passed by that fucking monstrosity every day. And the guy has billboards in all the If you drive around Houston, Texas, in the poorest areas, you have Ostein billboards. It's ridiculous. He's doing a billboard campaign he has logos. It's a fucking business that takes in money that is not taxed, and it's under the guise of a nonprofit. They can, they can see elections, they can they can endure. I mean, it's insane what these people can get away with in plain
sight. And but if we mentioned on our shows any type of leaning towards it, we can all of our ship could be taken from us. It's insane. All of our see books, they're open, you can look through them. But somehow, the same motherfuckers who push for this religious exemption, You're gonna see these guys in the same churches doing the same things with the same causes, with political motivations. It's all the same shit. But they,
like you said, Phoebe in much better way than I could. These motherfuckers wrote the laws for themselves so that way they can do this shit and then continue to vote other people in to continue to add more amendments to these fucking laws so that way they can keep bolstering their fucking bullshit while the working class just suffers. And then the I R S which I mean paying taxes when we have billionaires not paying it to it to me is just as evil
as it gets. But you got people coming after the fucking working class while these other motherfuckers are raking in the benefits of the working class people trying to donate to a good to a good fucking cause. It's it's so evil to me. You absolutely, I've ether of you two sent the TV each other way a little bit. Yes, yes I have. I'm not so. In one of the final series, one of the candidates for presidents goes and gives a speech out of black Church, and that is seen as normal.
Goes and gives a political campaign speech from the pulpit, and that's seen as normal. Yes it is, which just unfortunately is mind bending. The fire on three's and five twenty seven's they're supposed to be completely different in how they are operated, But these scampacts and these churches that you mentioned, Jason, they seem to be operating in identical manners, taking money and endorsing things they shouldn't be endorsing, or doing things they shouldn't be doing. Infidel, are
you doing that? Oh? I like to sleep at night as little as I do, so no, I could live with myself doing this, because what is so insidious about it is they are taking advantage like the same group
of people that Joel Austein that Jason mentioned is taking advantage of. They're taking advantage of working class people who want to make the world a better place, who want to improve things, who are looking for things to be better, and they're taking the people who are least capable of providing money in resources for others, and they're enriching themselves with it and ignoring the people who they're claiming are going to be the benefits of it. And that's what makes it so
unforgivable. It's not just that they're benefiting from something and they're scamming here and there. It is the very basis and the fundamental principle of the organizations that they exist within to do this. It's not a it's not a bug, as I said earlier, it's a feature. It's one of the things that they want. And really, groups like this are almost indistinguishable from churches.
They they're they're doing the same thing under a different guys, and they're they're getting away with it and they're going to continue to get away with it unless somebody cause a stop to it. And that's problem because those in power have no incentive to do that because I can be sure that some of the money that these people are raising is going into political action committees for people who have no interest at all in cancer patients, are veterans, or firefighters, or
all the other causes that they purport their support. They don't give a shit about them either. They've shown that so they're more concerned about these groups have called them out. The Firefighters Union has said stop giving money to this pact. They are nothing to do with supporting firefighters. When you have those groups that are purportedly the beneficiaries of these actions saying stop, these people are frauds.
These people do not help us. That should raise serious alarm bells about the regulations that are in place here, because what is going on here it's not regulation. It's not even turn a blind eye. It's opening the doors why as you can, and saying please carry on as you were before, but sign this piece of paper so that it looks like we're actually doing something to see the problem is is the people who are giving to these groups.
They don't get a phone call from the from the fire department saying, hey, there's a bunch of scam people calling. They get a phone call from someone who gives them a sob story or tells them something that pulls at their heartstrings, and they go, oh, that's terrible. Yeah, I can try to give a little bit to that. And so the problem is is that the ones who are doing the outreach are the ones that are perpetrating the problem. Because firefighters actually have a real job to do. They can't go
around in forming the public. They got things that they actually need to do. Whereas these people, all they need to do and all they want to do is capitalize on people who want to help other people. And that's what's so disgusting. They're capitalizing on the working class. And if you look at the now, our wages are lowest they've ever been compared to inflation. Our
hours are higher than they've ever been. So by the time I'm working sixty eight hours a week every week, by the time i'm home, I'm fucking exhausted. My brain is done. How am I going to take in more information and educate myself? Phoebe does this shit for a living. I'm supervising guys burning metal together. I mean, it's it's such a niche thing that when somebody calls and you're tired, and you're like, I want to help out this working class firefighter. I want to help out these working class i
want help out these cancer patients. I'm gonna do the little bit that I can. The fact that that money isn't going to them, it blows my mind that this isn't fucking criminal. It blows I mean, you know, it blows my fucking moment. As far as the morles consider, this is a supermans exactly, but it's it's you're you're literally extorting and using and lying and then lining your pockets and you're taking advantage. Traitorous criminal. There are
elements that this could be criminal. Yeah, but by and large this is a civil matter. You've given money to an organization. You sue that person to get your money back. That's where the law stands, by and large, unless you can show a fraud or a blackmail or some other criminal problem, which the lawsuit that is going forwards is trying to show. It is trying to show criminal violations of the California Data Protection Act that could actually get
somewhere in the criminal code. But to try to say that the law will prosecute this as a fraud or prosecue this as a scam. She might as well to start laughing. And I work in this field for a living. The law does not do what you would expect him to do in this area, because the law is written in such a way to be so broad that it allows these loop holes to go unchecked. You could fight American gladiators through these loopholes and not even touch the sides. And if you don't like that,
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