Brace yourself for another shocking twists and the Moms for Liberty's moral crusade in this tangled web. The only thing more twisted than their moral compass is their sense of irony from fossly accusing drag queens, the fabricating tales about librarians. Moms for Liberty have tried to make themselves the moral police, but a founder's husband is under police investigation for alled sexual assault. They all agree there is a
mutual sexual relationship outside of their Christian marriage for a year. I wonder how that'll go over the next church pop. Look, some have already abandoned their clown car, including Desantus, who said it's time to go. They are more like a tabloid than a political movement. For Mons for Liberty, the one thing harder to defend in their positions political relevance. In this circus of scandal, it seems the real illusion is their credibility. And Scott, I
know you really like this group. What did you think about? Well, I guess it's you know, in a way, it's not really all that surprising. We see this kind of stuff happen all the time. These people up on the high horse getting knocked off by their own actions. And so but one thing I need I think we need to consider though, is that you know, Moms for Liberty is an organization of other human beings, and
so we should expect there to be human qualities amongst their groups. You know, they say that there's assholes in every group, right and every there in their saints and assholes in every group. And so so I think we can, uh, you know, following along with that dictum that it makes sense that we would expect this kind of thing. But also, you know, I have to admit humans like, you know, when nasty people get their come up and right they they I do feel a sense of superior superiority when
I when I hear stories like this. So I guess the real irony here is that humans just love pointing out hypocrisy and others. And that's kind of what's happening here. Having said that, these people just really suck. And so if this is something that all humans experience, why do we see it happen so much in these groups? It seems to be happening more on the
on the conservative religious and the conservative political end of the spectrum. You know, I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think on this point it's worth repeating, and that is that there is robust evidence supporting the idea that political and religious conservatism go hand in hand with authoritarian sorry, authoritarianism
and dogmatism. And so we're talking about ideologies that value things like loyalty and purity and their repulse by anything that they think is impure, and it boils down to shame. So this is a result of shame. I found a report from the Journal of the Canadian Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. They said unrepaired shame as an organizing emotion in the process of identity formations argued to
create particular vulnerabilities to stigmatization. Sometimes the hardest barriers to overcome may rest within the adolescent, as the shame nurtured by parents. Shame nurtured by parents leads to subsequent self loathing created by the culture and religious value system. Negative feelings about oneself can be internalized and the result and result in shame, denial, self harm, and hatred and abuse of others. And so I think that's
what's happening here. The emotional immaturity of adolescence may lend itself to them, choosing self hatred and anger as coping mechanisms. Okay, so there's shame happening when these people are young, they get older, they see these qualities in themselves. That leads them to self loathing, and then of course that leads they can turn that the dissonance that come up as a result of that self
loathing causes them to turn that hate outward. One little another quote here, for all that self hatred, as they said, can lead straight into the hatred of others. This is from Psychiatric Times by doctor H. Stephen Moffik. He says, for such a common and destructive feeling, hate has been understudied by psychology and psychiatry. Freud, though, did positive a psychological posit a psychological mechanism for hate, that being projection. Right, So we're going
to be talking about projection in this one. In projection, receive personal badness as psychologically transferred upon to others. In other words, for hatred, we can consciously or unconsciously dislike things within ourselves and want to disown them. I'm not terrible, you are that kind of thing. So now where that hatred goes depends on individual and group relationships. This last sentence I thought was very
important here. Cultish ways of controlling and distorting thinking can intensify the hatred. So my point here is that we shouldn't be all that surprised that these types of stories of hypocrisy show up so often, because it's baked right into their ideology. Eli, what's your take on it? I think you said a lot of things that just better than the way I could have said it. I wasn't familiar a lot with a lot of the things that Mothers for Liberty
were doing, so I kind of I looked on their website. I've heard about them on the Show, of course before and in other things, but I looked at their website. Find a little about the MFORL Foundation. Okay, what do they do? Like they're doing some charity that's donate books to school libraries. And this distracts from the point little bit, but I'm like, okay, like, what kind of books do they donate? This one is called an elephant is not a bird? Oh this must be about how
evolution is not real. That's cute. Oh no, wait, this is about how dressing like a different species doesn't mean that now you fly. That's growth. So that's the liberty that they're concerned with, is the liberty to marginalize groups of people because they don't exist the way that you expect that they should not the liberty to exist the way that you would like to so and
it does it. I really like, like I said, at first, you said a lot of things that I would have said, just better, because I do think it is this psychological projection where they have this shame about their own you know, like humans have sexual desires, Humans are sexual being, and they have this shame about their own desires and they project out out onto others and possibly because of that shame nurtured by parents, that even adults
that I know now that have kind of shameful attitudes towards sex just because that's what they were taught to believe about it, and it doesn't they don't really ever take the time to realize, like, no, that's just like kind of a natural thing. So like if this was just a story about threesomes, like there's no story because that doesn't that's not a thing that matters.
But these conservative groups that love to claim moral superiority, whether that be sexual morality or whatever it may be, they almost always have this this hidden side
that they're just trying to cover up. They're trying to shine the spotlight away from them, because if I can get everybody looking at everyone else, nobody is going to look at me and see what I'm doing because I'm embarrassed and I'm ashamed of what I'm doing, And that I think is the crux of it, and the really horrible thing about it is because these people are ashamed of things they have no reason to be ashamed of, and for that reason,
they're going on to project hate and shame and vitriol onto others just for existing the way they like to exist. And you know, as you mentioned in the opener, I'm sure that Zieglers would have you believe that, you know, sex is between a married man and a married woman, but that of course didn't stop them from inviting a third on more than one occasion into their marriage, which again, like that's not an issue, that's their choice
and the choice of that you know, third person. As long as they're a consenting adult, there's no reason any of us need to care about that. It's of course the story here. The issue is when they were not consenting adults, and you know, it's interesting to see. I'm glad to actually see that there are some consequences for not just as Zieglers, but Mothers
for Liberty as well. On December fifth, I believe it was NBC News post that there was a Pennsylvania chapter of Mothers for Liberty that was shaired by Clarissa Page. And they're disaffiliating from Mothers for Liberty as a result of the foundation's response to these allegations against Christians Eaglers. And it's interesting to see that not only are they losing the support from outside, they're falling apart from inside
as well. And infidel You've called them the gift that keeps on giving, like on the show before and then you know, but I think they're on their way out. I think they're about to stop giving because it just seems like they're they're kind of losing all of their traction and their support. Yeah, I mean, I don't really have much more on that, Phoebe. What do you think, Well, it feels like the Republican Party have been
searching desperately for a replacement for the NRA. The National Rights Association, the National Rifle Association fell flat, It ran out of money. It did really bad here. They'd be desperate, desperate to find some organization that will slide in and take the place that the NRA used to take. Mums for Liberty came along and they were Yes, anti OLGBT, anti trans candidates and elections. That's how you win, That's how you win. Oh, twenty twenty
three midterms. I think your description is overly generous, Phoebe. What an horrific night they had across America. Overwhelming number of Mums for LIBBERD candidates failed to get elected or lost re elected. And the number one thing that voters set was we just want people on school boards who will focus on educating children, nothing else, not radical agenda. I mean, I mean, blimey, I mean none of this ephemera book bands that we've covered before, anti
LGBT legislation, don't say gay bills in Florida, Disney being blackboarded. Nobody votes on those things. In a school board election. They go, they turn around and go, well, who's best to the kid? Matter where you are left, right, center, up, down, in and out, people are going to turn around and go, are you best for this seat? Who start shouting around about other things? No matter who you are. People are just going to get turned off by you. Genuine it's gonna
get actually turned off. But I was disappointed in the article. This article was disappointed because it's stooped to the same levels that Mums for Liberty stooped to. It focused on using sex as something to hook into. It was like, oh, my god, you had a threesome, and that's the kind of thing I expect Mum's for Liberty to shout about. Salon dot Com, on the other hand, decided to make that part of the article and part
of his shame. That did seem weird, and that was really disconcerting and really disappointing because these idiots, or both sides of this art, the subject and the author and the publication for that matter, are perpetuating this myth that a man and a woman, or a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, or however many people you want in a room or whatever your sexual identification or gender identification is choosing consensually in private, harming nobody
else, having sex is something to be shamed. What this isn't the nineteen fifties. This isn't eight teen fifties Victorian England, where showing your ankle was enough to get you blacklisted. We have to move away from this. Sex is shameful garbage, and the article itself detracted from the most important thing here. A person in political power who has accused others of being dangers based on sex is now charged with being a sexual predator. That's where it was.
He was accusing a group of criminality based on sex, and he himself is now facing charges of criminality based on sex. Not Oh my god, him and his wife have a threesome. Let's laugh and giggle and all be school children because we've got nothing better to do. Go fuck sight saloon, get your act together. We did get Phoebe's little giggle there recorded, right, so we just I just want to make sure we got that. Okay, good, Sorry, infidel, go ahead. I'm so angry is cramp.
One thing that I think that does make the threesome relevant and probably why it played such a big role in the story, is how they've hied themselves to this mindset of religious purity. I mean. Zigelier has said her aim is literally the quote, to bring religious values into public schools, and she referred to public schools as in doctrination centers for the radical left. She's teaching in a gym. Threesomes well, and where did these people get off sayingess are
a no? I don't think I never heard any one of these religious looms. A threesome is a no. No. I'm not going to be able to give you a description verse, but I will say that when they go to church next Sunday, uh, they will be looked at differently and the viewpoint of the people around them will have a different perspective. Because of that, Christians don't let reality get in the way of truth, even when it comes to judging each other. In fact, Christians love judging each other,
maybe more than they enjoy judging us. Probably not, but it's a close run. I mean, that's why we see so many different denominations, so many sects, so many split off, so many disagreements among each other, because at the end of the day, it's someone wanting to keep the control for themselves. Now with back to Monds for liberty, though, Phoebe, you mentioned they're absolutely getting hammered in the last last election, and then you
want to slight it. They did. They got absolutely destroyed. And the good thing is is that people are getting tired of this. People, as you said, are learning that we just want people to do the job of a school board and not someone who's going to be everything else. And you know, bridget herself, she's diversified too. She's also part of DeSantis's board against Disney and his anti LBGT you fight against Disney that he rolled up and
keeps losing. She she's part of that as well. So when it comes down to it, this is this is a couple who are tied in to a variety of organizations very close to the whole uh DeSantis camp. You know, I've got to say that, you know, we we see these groups screaming save the kids from the rooftop. But as you said, we see
the same things. This this projection is working thin, and I do think it's lost its luster, and I think that we are going to see them die a slow and painful death, or at least I hope a slow and agonizing for every moment. But on the bright side, Scott, on the bright side, there's a hot off the Press's news addition to this story just today. It's Phoebe. You were mentioning about how they were using the threesomes as like the clickbait, right, that's the attention grabber, and they were
they were clouding over the important. You know, there's somebody here that's accused of a harmful crime and so and but here they're talking about all parties and whatever, right and so. So. In the story release today, Bridget Ziegler her Sarasota County Board school Board colleagues have approved resolution to call for her resignation. Now, the story said that it was because of the three way sexual relationship, and now you have me wondering if that's just the reporting of
the resolution. So I didn't read the actual resolution, and so I don't know if that's you know, what was the reason. But for whatever reason it is, she's been asked to resign. And so I think we would all agree that having a threesome is no way reflective of her ability to perform on the Sarasota County school Board. However, I don't think anybody, any of us, would shed too many tears if she was, you know,
given the old heave ho. So my question, and we just got a minute or so left here, my quick question for the pan is, if she were removed because of this, do the ends justify the means Eli, that's really close. I think I would prefer that she'd be removed for a legitimate reason, right, for something that actually is wrong. I wouldn't once be like, oh, well right, but will you take it? Would
you take it? I might? Yeah. I think it's you know, counter blessings, right right, Phoebe, What do you think it means? Here? No democracy being undermined? Swa believe record elections? It's twenty two caliber actions in a three fifty seven magnum world beat that follow that one in fidem I won't even try. I'm still waiting for the slow death. So maybe a pellet gun. I wanted to be slow and agonizing. Remember, but seriously, no, I don't like I mean the idea of her getting
out of office. It makes me feel happy and warm on the inside.
But the truth is no, the ends doesn't justify the means. And as much as I might find personally satisfaction, I would hate to see that as the reason for her to go. I'd rather stand there and look like a fool and as an example of a liar, and let her stay in the public eye so we could point and say that's what, that's what A person who says one thing and does another does so No, please bridget stay by all means, don't resign, fight it, stick around, and we'll laugh
all the way to the end. Well, at least I will. Scott. Are you are you? Are you advocating a Rod Blago situation in Illinois where he stayed to the bitter end and must be impeached by a majority of the Illinois Center You are you advocating that kind of democracy? Well, you know, I have my concerns about democracy, and Joan if I want to be completely hones those for those of you who don't know, Rod Blogo was the guy who tried to sell your part of the Senate seat to the Yeah,
try to sell it. But democracy, at the end of the day, is about accepting elections can be won by people you don't yes, right, And that's the problem that the individuals seem to have with democracy. I personally believe democracy is the way to elect and the way to select those who run from amongst us, those who choose to put themselves forward, and those
who choose to represent the organization. They're representatives, not delegates. And the way how you enhance democracy is you have the ability to say voters, Person X did this, Do you agree with what they did? And should they stay in office as a result a recall election? Not off, you stupid idiot. Okay, Yeah, well, I think for me, I would say I probably wouldn't be too bummed out if she was removed from office, but I don't think it would reflect well for the reasons that you've all given.
I don't think it would reflect well and the committee that they would remove her for that particular reason. Yeah, and yeah, and so I think this would be an excellent spot for us to wrap up this discussion here and