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to talk about. Guys, So ready, let's we're going to talk about. In the first segment, some shit Internet apologists say GOP chair goes full flat Earth. Yes, yes, an elect official elected official is talking about how the earth is flatficial elect official elect official is saying some things. Yes, yes, GOP is uh. In our next segment, m in my backyard, Um, Illinois Catholic clergy abused more children than reported, so we
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be a shit shit Internet apologist say. Internet apologists say, all right, we knocked that out of the park. I'm gonna give us the thumbs up on that one. Boy, we nailed that, all right, sore so for our shit Internet apologists say, So, we're talking about Here's the title of the article, Georgia geop chair goes full flat Earth says globes are part of a conspiracy. And this article was written Nicki McCann Ramirez at Rollingstone dot com on May twenty fourth of this year. And so I just want to
bathe in the glory of that headline for a moment. It's Georgia Goop chair goes full flat Earth says and this is my favorite part, says globes are part of a conspiracy. So we're talking about Candice Taylor. She has recently elected GOP district chair from Georgia, and she was heard on her podcast. She has this podcast called Jesus, Guns and Babies. I want to make a note of the order of those on their notice. I think that's important.
But she was speaking with a couple of people. She was talking to David Weiss, who is also known as flat Earth Dave and Matt Long. Not sure who that was, but I'm sure he's very important about how the Earth is really flat and that the promotion of a round Earth is some sort of conspiracy to I'm sure whatever the conspiracy is for it's it's certainly something really nasty, I'm sure. So. Taylor is also known for her failed run for governor of Georgia in twenty twenty two. Well, some think her run
had failed. According to her, the three point seven percent of the vote that she won in the Republican primary was a misrepresentation of the real will of the voters and that the election was rigged in favor of her opponent, Governor Bryant Kemp, who had seventy three point seven percent of the primary vote. So apparently the vote counters in Georgia and are really really good at fudging the numbers. That's a big swing there, But you know who would have thunk
it. Now, before we talk about this, I just want to issue an apology as I'm a member of the public education system, and I want to apologize to Candice Taylor for the obvious and utter failure the education system has had in preparing her to be a productive member of society. So ironically and frighteningly, actually, Taylor is also a teacher. She's a third grade teacher in Georgia, so watch out for that. So anyway, so who we got up first? Tao, Y're up next year? Oh yeah, I'm
always ready. Yeah. I would talk about the education or system and how it has failed to these people, but I want to start by doesn't really surprise to anyone that they said this silly thing in a podcast called Jesus, Guns and Babies with a guy called Flat Earth Day. Okay, if you're
going to say something that's stupid, fine the stupid place. It's so good he that flatters Dave found his niche, because I think if he had not found that, then he would have this weird nickname that nobody would get exactly. It's a good thing that he found his place. Some people find when I need Okay, I guess this person is a how to call it, a good Christian who actually believes their Bible. And that is the main reason
why they're doing that. Because whenever any Christian or Bible believer tells me, oh, hey, did you know that the earth is round according to the Bible, I say yes. If you read Proverbs eight twenty seven and Joe twenty two fourteen, the original or the closest to the original Bible is described the earth is described as McGall mcca is a circle. For those people out there who know what, who know a little bit about geometry, a circle
is a flat figure with around circle around around flat figure. Why well, because remember that the Bible is just a flat thing that has a dome on top, and over that dome there are the waters that had to flat the whole planet or into Genesis. So whenever any Christian says, or any believer actually says, oh no, no, no, the Bible says the earth
is not a flat they are lying. Check your Hebrew megal literally a circle, and then they say no, no, no, But the Bible was written in an old time and the world sphere didn't exist because they never read Isaiah twenty two eighteen, where they specifically use the word cad cadure means a
spherical three D shape, a ball, or a sphere. Yeah. So, yeah, guys, this person is somebody who failed at school or the educational system failed to this person, and this person decided to start believing the Bible, and that will led this person to go against old basic knowledge of that humanity house at their disposals, and I think that is very sad for
me, quite sad, really, Kelly, what are you thinking? My first, I want to say that I was really really surprised that an elected official could say something like this, But over the last few years, with some of the things I've heard many different politicians say, I'm not surprised at all anymore. It's just it just seems normal from some parts of our political spectrum. And on top of that, if you know anything about Candice Taylor, as Scott pointed out, you would doubly not be surprised, right.
Um. One thing that Scott didn't touch on was the Georgia guidestones. She had come out and actually called for them to be destroyed, which of course they were. That was something we did. We had discussed here on nonprofits a few months ago when they were blown up, and she was one of the people calling for that. She was at the forefront of the people calling for that. Um. Mike Lindell, who actually backed her up on the bad election, claims again, Yeah, there's no way that you could get
like a seventy three percent to three percent mix up. That's just so bad. And it wasn't It's just not her podcast, it's all. It's also her campaign slogan was Jesus, guns and radio. Yeah, And um,
Scott, I want to tell you why. I have a little bit of experience talking the flat Earthers, and the reason they think that the elites are keeping this information from us is that they believe there's actually a lot more of the Earth that because the Earth is flat, it's there's a lot more of it, and these elites are keeping all these parts of the Earth away from us so that they can exploits. You can't have any of them unless we
buy them from that I get it right. For the rest of the episode, just call me flat Earth Scott. I'm convinced, you know, she's She's pushed all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, including that the Republican leadership is all communist, which I can't figure that one out, and Democrats are all Satan worship worshippers. So her saying she thinks the earth is flint man, Yeah, man, Cynthia, you want to add to that. You know, the whole thing I was just thinking when I was listening to her rant
was gloves, gloves, golove, gloves, glove gloves everything. Well, you you know you've heard of big oil, right, big tobacco. Now we're talking big balls. Right, That's what this say is the propagandish big balls. It's all about the big balls. Baby, Oh my gosh right, insert wraps from the ninety But you know, one of the things that um, I know, like a lot of you guys actually discussed about Kenda
Taylor her failed GOP run for governor of Georgia. And you know the crazy thing about it was is that her viewpoints, specifically especially when she was talking about Jesus, guns and babies, were not really different from the GOP that was running alongside her. It's just that I just think that her what kind of shot her on the foot is that she was just way more extreme with it, and because like it seemed like that everything that she was doing specifically
was a conspiracy theory. When she was running, I remember like she had like these different pillar talking points that she would like a lay out during her campaign, and one of the final ones when she said that when I talk about this, it's really just going to blow your mind and just knock off the entire conspiracy of everything. And that's when she was talking about the Georgia Guides guidestones, which you know, this is a piece of arts, not
that overwhelming, it's kind of underwhelming. Um. But like I think that she just has a tendency just to put a lot more into things than what it really is. And that's what a lot of times we have specifically with conspiracy theorists. Um. But you know, I know that tay'all kind of talked touched about this a little bit. If we're talking about the Hebrew about
you know, different words and where it comes from. Flat. But you know, most of these crystal fascists are not going into the etymology of biblical term most of them are not sure. I'm pretty sure we don't even know what etymology means you know, you know, intersects or something birds, something like that, something that I wrote, because now that saying that I just
found that I wrote. If she's the leader of the republic we Can Party, I have to admit this really makes me extremely worried about the IQ of the Republican Party under people supporting these potation genius Yeah, well, you know, she like forty five, she's a certified genie or what did he say? He said, I'm a real genius, some genius. It don't matter,
he gone. But one of the things that I wanted to actually point out if like if we're just going on surface, because this is really what I wanted to discuss as I actually watched other people actually give commentary about what happened with her and her rants and flat Earth Day and Matt Long, who's not short to see what I did there? Um, y'all supposed to laugh, but never mind, Um, you might offense. They didn't see it,
so it's okay, it's okay, but um. But one of the things that I want to point out is that if you actually look up scriptures that are supposedly to lead to a flat Earth, it really does not say anything like that. I'm just going to point out this a few like a couple that's in the Old Testament and a couple that's in the New First Chronicle sixteen thirty tremble before him, all the earth, the world is firmly established. It cannot be moved. For Samuel's second eight, he raises the pour
from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap. He seats them with prices princess sorry, and has them inherit a throne of honor, For the foundations of the earth are the lords on them. He has set the world. I was also looking up specifically scripture that had to do with the firmament, because this whole thing about the earth is under a dome, and under that is the firmament and the waters and all that other crazy stuff.
And Genesis first Genesis Genesis one, rather six through eight. Then God said, let there be an expanse in the midst of the war waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters. And God made the expanse and separated the waters which were below, and the expanse from the waters which were above. This expanse, and it was so God called the expanse heaven, and there was evening, and there was morning a second day, and then I wanted to run over to our favorite book in the world, Revelations for
Obvious Reasons, Revelations seven. One. After this, I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the Earth, holding back the four winds of the Earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or any tree. I think that. But one of the things I did not point out specifically, but I did mention this is that Job actually had the most scriptures concerning the earth. But he never mentions globes or not globes,
or spears or not spears, or any of that. Now, even if I flatter Job, no, no, no flatter of Davis on his own with that one. Um. But even if I granted that the story of Job is true, this was a man that was laid sick on the brink of death caused by God because he and the devil were made a bet in pain, I am pretty sure that he ended up having a hallucination or two or three or four, because like, if you in pain like that, you almost did and whatnot, and your flesh is eaten away you know
that I find your lack of faith disturbing you. You know I didn't tell him stuck. Come on, come on, I'm trying to figure out where the four corners of a circle are at. You know, well, as as as the only math teacher in the room here, I can chip in on this. And I have found that the geometric misconceptions in the Bible fall well within the normal array of mistakes that people make about geometry. So so
so I think we can maybe cut them a little bit of slack. If you've seen the thing, if you've been where I've been, seen the things that I've seen, you'll know that, oh, that's just perfectly normal human beings making mistakes. On that one, I just like to say really quick Scott before because I know that you have something else that you want to chime in on that. When i's a geometry, um, the answer to all of the theorems, we're CPCTC oh definitely yeah part Do you remember what it
stands for? Hell no, I'm pretty sick. Congruent parts? Were congruent? Triangles? Are congruent or no corresponding parts? That was it? Corresponding parts? Well, we're losing our audience. So let's quick get back to the Yes, let's get back the flatters people. Yeah, globes everywhere. Oh well, the funny thing about that, about that quote Cynthia that you were talking about, it is so here's what she said, and it sounds funnier, even funnier than the way that you already presented. She said,
all the globes everywhere. Taylor said later in the discussion, I turn on the TV. There's globes in the background. Everywhere, there's globes. You see them all the time. It's constant. My children will be like, Mama, globe globe, globe, globe, They're everywhere. It's like, really, I've never noticed. You know. Maybe it's one of those things like you know, you buy a new jeep and then you see all the jeeps on the road. You know, maybe she's just like getting obsessed with
globes or something. But um, I just wanted to throw in though that I um. I went, and I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I went. I watched more of that podcast episode I was able to find on YouTube. I wanted to, you know, I want to give him a fair shake. I don't want to I don't want to just you know, go off of what Rollingstone dot Com thought was important. But um, yeah, there was nothing more to There's nothing additional on there, although
um interestingly enough, one of her guests flat Earth Dave. He was saying during their interview time that he came to Christianity because of his flat earth belief, and then Matt Long, the other guy that she was interviewing, said oh, well, I came to flat earth belief because of my Christianity. And I thought, boy, that was just a perfect circle of reasoning there, or maybe it was a sphere of reasoning. I don't I don't know. If they think the Earth is flat, then maybe they think that kind
of reasoning is linear. I don't know, but it was. It was funny. But one last thing I wanted to throw in here, and that was I don't know if you any of you noticed this, but there was a wonderful self burn in the article, and they were quoting Dave Weiss from the podcast. He said, the people that defend the globe don't know anything about the globe. If they knew a tenth of what Matt and I know
about the globe, they would be flat earthers. So what he was saying is that if there's people that know one tenth of what he knows, those are the people that are flat earthers, right, So ignorance leads to flat earth belief that according to flat Earth Dave, that's the key. You know. I was watching a YouTuber who actually who who was commenting on this specifically,
and he mentioned that specific quote from Dave. If they knew one tenth of what they knew about the flat Earth, they would be flat earthers. And he was like, so one tenth of that means you know absolutely nothing? Yeah, point yeah, yeah, yeah, but go ahead, Kelly. I did do a deep dive into it, and it turns out that globes are the first form of AI and they are out for global domination right there in the name you in the name there, you go take that atheist.
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talk about certain global mafia that protects evil criminals. Here I have a representation of their evil overlord that so many people believe to be out safe and earth disgusting actious that this person has committed made me very, very very angry. But I'm not going to talk about how angry I am. I'm just going to talk about this article that I have two thanks up news dot com plish guys. Check this on their on the description there you can find all the
information. Once again, it's me, I guess the freaking Catholic Church or the crimes, but it's okay. Are we surprised that they are terrible, that they are awful? Of course not, of course not. Are we surprised that the Catholic Church is an awful mafia that is trying to protect better even nowadays, maybe and always surprised when they clearly when we realize that the clergy light about the amount of abused little people that have suffered under their personnel.
Of course, we are not surprisable that because that is what this mafia always does, and it's are surprising, it's enraging, it's awful. But guys, what can respect from institutions? Not? And it's not only the Catholic Church. Please go and check the abused administation coverage insurance policy that even
evangelical churches can hire nowadays. Actually, churches are nowadays the biggest danger to children's bodies in our society, and that's why they are hiring these policies for whenever their priests decide that they are going to use their power and have used this the most defenseless people that sadly are forced to go and to go to their institutions, to go under their buildings and to be well brainwashed by these
awful people. So I'm going to make me very general. I'm sure that Kelly, you want to talk about the numbers, and I think it's good if you tell us, because if I start talking about the numbers, it's going to be it's going to get ugly. So Kelly, please, well, I will mention that there were two thousand children that were not reported in the past that this story broke about. Um. I it's hard for me to talk about things like this because of my past. I was physically abused
as a child. I raised two kids, so when I hear about kids getting hurt like this, it really really bothers me. I one of the things that really bothers me about this too, is that all these priests when they got caught, you know, you know, they all went to the confessional. They had to say a fuel hear Hail Mary's and now they're going to go party up and having with Jeffrey Dahmer. I find this really really disgusting. And it's not only the church that was at fault here, but
the state of Illinois. Where was the state at? Where were these investigations? At were the people that should have been protecting these kids because they weren't there were the investigators? Did they just do a slack job because their Catholics? What was going on here? I'm really really pissed off that something didn't get done sooner or that these two thousand kids fell through the cracks when there was an investigation. It's it's horrible, It's completely horrible and should never ever
ever have happened. Um Scott, you want to take it? Sure? Sure, yeah, I mean we know that. You know, child abuse is horrible, and child sexual abuse can have significant impacts on you know, their study after study after study of long term emotional and sexual and even sometimes even physical disabilities, and it can affect and and it's basically if you if you abuse a child in that way, it's very much like destroying a world. Right. It's like was at Oppenheimer that said, I am become death,
the destroyer of worlds. And so when you destroy a child's world, a child's future, it's it's tragic, it's tragic. And what makes it worse is that these religious leaders are set up as to be moral leaders. And when we say moral leaders, we not only mean that they are leaders that are expected to be moral, but that they are that they're supposed to
be leading. They're guiding their flock into how to be moral? How and you know, these are people that are representing supposedly the you know, the ultimate creator of the universe, the ultimate guide to morality, and you know clearly that's not that's not working out. I don't know, Tayo, what's your take on that's on that? Well, what Kelly said, it's totally true. I mean they started with one hundred victims. Nowadays the two thousand.
There were one thousand, nine hundred victims that nobody knew anything about this Authornity here um I Authornity didn't wrote, I think it's quammi role. Oh thank you, Raoul. He had to make huge investigations. He had to read over one hundred thousand pages and talk about several like six hundred in confidential interactions that were not supposed to to rebroke to light and after all that huge amount of effort, many many of the clerics who committed these awful crimes,
they are not going to be judge because time has passed. It has a name that I had written in here, but I don't remember the name of it. Yeah, that's thank you, Cynthia arling. Um. They are not going to be judged because of that and some others. They were protected by this awful mafia that I always talk about for so long that they are they are dead. They passed away, so they were never judged and they never had to face justice. They never had to face a legal system.
And it's extremely awful, terrible, disgusting in enraging that those people made so much damage, they harmed there so much and nothing happened. It makes me extremely sad on it is awful and and you know, this is kind of crazy because this is like right in my backyard, especially like I am a former alumni of a Catholic school. Um so a lot of these um um So you're saying there's hope, there's hope for students in those schools, right, Well, you know, if you didn't get abused. I mean,
but the thing about it is destroyer of world, destroyer of world. Well that's what the Catholic Church is. We we we can go down the list of you know, not just like protecting uh you know, pedophile or or or even like sexual abuser. We we can go through other atrocities specifically from the Catholic Church that has happened UM for a very very long time. I just um was even curious to know how far back do UM sexual abuse allegations
actually go back to for the Catholic Church in UM. In one of my UM dives, I found out that they have records of abuse going back to sixteen twenty nine. This is before the United States was even a nation. I think that we I think that the Jamestown was only maybe what in UM in in service from maybe like ten years after the first Colum, after the first allegation came out. UM. But when I when I found this this is actually from uh don't say from them, the abuse of the Catholic Church,
from the Malie Law Firm p l LC and UM. Basically this was for a Spanish priest named Joseph Kalon Klanza. I'm sorry, kla San. Yes, that is correct, klassan and Um. He was actually at a teacher that was teaching boys, poor boys, and the accusations were made by fellow priests with concerns over in pure friendships with schoolboy and the accusations regarding father
Stephano Cherubini was the one to be investigated. However, Kyla Sons aimed to cover up what he called this great shame so that it would not it was not brought to the intention of his superiors. In fact, instead dealing with the accused priest, he was actually promoted. Setting the precedent. The Catholic Church continues to follow this practice of accusations, discovery, promotion and or shuffling
of known sexual abusers. Even had a name that translates to mean promotion for a voidice, and that's what this was when they were talking specifically about these these children that I believe that the records were going back to the nineteen fifties
all the way to twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. So you have over one hundred thousand documents from the nineteen fifties all the way to twenty nineteen, and we know that accusations, claims, and a lot of them substantiate we're happening before twenty nineteen, the Catholic Church was well aware of it was the Francis
Hope. Francis called himself doing an apology tour during around this time period, still was doing one last year because we covered it, and earlier this year when he was in Canada and other places to apologize for the atrocities that the church was doing with leaders in the church. But it was still happening. And I don't understand how, because Okay, let me slow down for a
moments, I can get my thoughts together. But one of the things that really baffles me is that the church and of itself was able to be autonomous, like semi autonomous as a diocese and an organization in order for them not to get any type of outside law enforcement from other governments that they were they
were established. I mean, like, I can't imagine that Illinois did not know going back this time period, or somebody that was elected they did not know about some of these allegations that I was going back to the nineteen fifties, I can't. I can't imagine that not happening, or if they were in office and they knew about it. They were going to say, well, you know, it's the Catholic Church. They need to be protective because
of a church. And I need that to stop, really, I mean, and especially since even though we have all these documents and substantiated claims and movies and the Washington Post and all these different stories that have come out about this Time magazine and even other organizations that have been complicit in doing the same thing, they are still we are still because I'm going to put us in this too, because we're citizens, and we're citizens not only at the United
States, but citizens of the world, and we see what's going on, and we have failed children because we didn't have enough people speaking out to governments
to say that they need to be protected. And damned them being a church, damn them for hearing any type of edicts coming from God directly, because the Pope supposedly has a direct line, like he's some freaking telephone company to God that you know him and any of the people that's under him, from cardinals to bishops to priests on down, should have protection and I and it
really pains me. And and thank you Kelly for you know sharing, I know that you've you've you know touched on this before, and I know this is very difficult to discuss, but you know, we thank you for your input and insight on this, and and I'm gonna go ahead and give it give it to you. A matter of fact, you can go ahead and wrap us up, because I don't know how much time that we can stay
on this and not get even more and more upstact. Cynthia, I know Scott wanted to say something quick, so I'll just try to say something really quick. And you were right. It was a couple of things. You were right about Illinois. Somebody should have gone after these people more aggressively sooner. And why are we not holding the leaders of the church responsible for this stuff? They're the ones who covered this up. It was the Catholic Church
that abuse these children, not just these individual priests, right. It was the church that allowed it to happen. It was the church that covered it up. It was the church to protect protected the perpetrators. It was the church that moved them around so they can repeat the offenses. So yeah, it was the Catholic Church that abuse these kids. And just a quick quick
note. According to Media Matters from May twenty third to May thirtieth, Fox News devoted two hours, twelve minutes, and thirty two seconds to the backlash against Target for supporting the LGPTQ community, and a whole twenty two seconds to this story twenty two seconds for the whole week. Go ahead, Scott, Well, you know, continuing on with what you were just talking about.
If we think mister Rogers, everyone seeing mister Rogers neighborhood. Maybe I'm giving away my age here, but I watched mister Rogers all the time, and he famously said that we should look for the helpers after a tragedy. And so it was intended to give people hope for the future, showing us that even when things are down, we can rely on each other, to help each other, to protect each other. But let's not forget that that was
intended for children. He was mister Rogers dealt with children. He with his show was for children. Everything that he did on his show and every well really everything that he did in his life was all about helping and protecting children. And so what's happening here is when we look for the helpers, here, the helpers are not there. And here we're talking, you know, I'm pointing the finger here we're talking about you Catholics. You're abandoning your children,
right, They're relying on you to give them hope. They're looking for the helpers and you're not being there. You know, where the fuck are you? Is what I want to know? Where? What's where is the uproar? Like Kelly, you were just saying, the media coverage alone is just it's it's ridiculous, and so I don't know, I don't know. Let's let's wrap this up. Let's talk about something else, Yeah quickly before we finished. Sorry, yeah, go ahead, stuff like what you said's
code. It always for me, it's always traumatic or awful to seeing parents who keep being Catholic, people who keep giving money to the church. Um, what it's wrong with them? Are they not? All those laws suites need money? Right? The lawyers ain't going to pay themselves? Yeah? Yeah. How can you love your religion more than safety for your children? That that's something I would never understand that It breaks furiating, Yeah, totally, Yeah, that's what we would have to do a whole show just on
that. How do you love your children more than? How do you love your religion more than your children? I mean, there's there's plenty of stories that actually amplify that. Um, you know, I knew a few stories about like parents who would not get their children vaccinated, or even parents who would not allow their children to be treated by doctors when they got sick because you know, they believed that God was going to heal them and then they
died. There's even a few stories about parents actually going to jail and being a charge for abuse because of them following whatever type of belief system that they were following. But they felt that they were in the right when it came to how they dealt with their children, but unfortunately it was their faith that
outweighed their love for their kids. And I have no problem saying that, because if you love your children, like really really love them, you would do anything that you can do within your power to make sure that they're safe take care of. And that's discussed. That's the most disgusting thing about religion in my view. I'm a parent too, and I can't imagine anybody holding something some ideologies, some theology, some philosophy above their own children's Yeah,
I agree, I totally agree. I mean, like I'm a parent adjacent and all I can think about it is like, gee, how what can I do to take care of you know, this little one that's in front of me, that's in my charge and right, and I think that the best thing that I can do is to keep him away from religion. Was one of the best things that I can do. But with that, I
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that would be great. Keep on mutine, mutin, don't stop. No, you're still muted. I am so sorry. I'm so sorry. You're good. I got a little upset on that last story that was the Lord was hardening your microphone. Yeah. Um this is a story that comes to us from Boying Boying. It was written by Carlos Sinclair and it's about our proverbial Florida man. This one's name is Joe Penovich and he owns the
state's Grills, Seafood Deck, and Tiki bar chain. And he told Fox News that he has never experienced a greater hardship than bud light making can with a transwoman's picture on it and giving it to her. Now, these weren't marketed. There was only a few of them made. I'm pretty sure they were all given to her, to Dylan mulvaney. But this guy's a little upset about it. Anyway, I don't quite understand why. Um, I honestly, I think he's being going a little bit crazy. Over this one
and not he's undermining his argument. Is what I think by the stupidity, Scott, you want to take it from here, I'm I'm still a little upset from the left. Sure, sure, that's no problem, no problem, you take a breath there. M Yeah, I gotta call bullshit on this guy. I gotta call bullshit because here here's the com core of his complaint from from the video clip. You know, Annheuser Bush, they held a social knife over all of our heads here and they dropped it very irresponsibly.
Social knife. It threw us into turmoil, pearl clutching by standing on our biblical faith. It puts us at odds with other people that didn't take that stance, and that brought us into hell on Earth. So my only conclusion is that he has no idea what hardship is. I mean, this is a privileged man, indeed, And I you know, and I find
it hard to believe too that people are watching this right. This is a major media outlet that they spent time of their of their day, of their programming day to have, Hey, let's have the guy talk about hell on Earth. And plus he was voluntarily willing to say this in front of people, and so have people know that he was saying it. It's just it's weird. I did find a longer clip of the interview, and because because I wanted to figure out what exactly happened to him, And he never says
that. He never says, and he didn't say that, you know, people were being abusive. He didn't even say that people were calling him transphobe. Um, you know, I don't know. If you don't like people calling you a transpobe, here's my my free advice, no additional charge here. If you don't want people to call you a transphobe, don't be a transphobe Simpson. It's easy enough to me. I don't know, really, that was really profound. Ye, free charge. No national charge comes with
your membership to the ACA. You know, poor guy, probably he had. Yeah, he had to leave this hell on earth because obviously, acknowledging that people exist, that trans people are real, must be as painful as being persecuted your whole life because you look different, because you are understanding who you are, it must be terrible, as terrible as being hated, insulted by your family, by your whole community, just because you're not straight it
must be something like that. I mean, what else could hell on earth? Very right? I mean it's not like oh no, oh, actually I think that I got kind of a translation of what he meant. I have my notes in here. Yeah, I think that I try to rephrase what he said. It's something like, no, it cannot discriminate freely. And I've been forced to admit that not how to rock sexual people excise. I cannot give this grimy night thing like this. Why are they doing this
to me? It was something they like. I think you nailed it. I think you nailed it there, nailed it, nailed it right on the right right. Well as you say, I have a duck in here, Kelly, can you explain the ducks please? That's the bigotree duck. Bigo tree. Duck calls out all bigger tree as soon as it heard he. You know, he was just saying, this is just one more big at hiding behind his religion too that you know, he keeps telling me this and it is ridiculous. I I yes, I just said it was ridiculous.
Yes, yes, yes, I don't know how he can expect any duck to take him seriously. I already said that I did say, people, you're right, But if he were, like, if he actually treated his listener to people listening to him as if they understood middle school math, he would probably get more respect from people, and they might take him a little more seriously. You know. I mean, I think the duck is a good point there. It is such an obviously bad argument that there's no way
to take him seriously. Is there really the guy who appears to be about my age? Surely he has had friends or family die, and it's he diminishing those people's death by saying this beer can has affected him worse in his life. That's just crazy, you know, guys, I just have to say it, as the only non white person on this panel to be a sistant or a white man in America who owns the state's grill seafood deck in Tiquy partrain chain rather to call beer can endorse by a transgender influencer hell on
Earth. Wow, must be nice. I know not this life, I know not any of this to say that that specifically is hell on Earth? That right there? For me to be assistant or white man in America with several business not just one. He remember, he got a whole chain of um so he making some scrilla, as as my as my people in the around these communities will say he making some scrilla, and he is calling the few cans that Dylan mulviny had on her table when she chimed in during the
Super Bowl. Because we actually covered this story previously that specifically was hell on
Earth. The privilege of it all must be nice. God damn it, I tell you, you know, so Joe old Joe, Joe, you know, I don't know if Joe knows, you know, like Boe knows, but I don't know Joe knows that the reason why Dylan was picked to be a spokesperson was because Dylan has over ten million followers on social and and since you when you have that type of platform and you want to actually make your product marketed to a wider audience, you will choose people or you know,
maybe knock or tap somebody on the shoulder who has that type of platform that may not necessarily be hetero normative in the United States or in the world or whatever you know it, you know, through something like that, just saying like I'm pretty sure that if I was an avid beer drinker and I'm not, but I had over ten million, twelve million whatever followers that you
know, just really like me singing step in the right direction. I'm pretty sure somebody is going to tap, tap tap on my shoulder and say, could you please endorse my product? I mean, I don't even have that many followers on Instagram, and I got folk DM and me about their little, you know, funky businesses all the time, saying can you just post this stuff on your Instagram? I'm like, no, who are you?
Hell on Earth? I know, I mean yes, obviously there was demons and five and pitchforks coming out of the Earth's cross and you know, and just making everybody go ah, like you know, like the segment interstitial. So that's the reason why we did that, because obviously this happened. So again, take that atheist, Take that atheist, boom boom, Scott. You do ever have something else that you would I do. I do have something else, Believe it or not. Um, this is really kind of
a one note story. I mean, this guy says something ridiculous on TV and makes a fool of himself kind of a thing. But I want, I was curious as to why would somebody do that Why would somebody do that? My first thought was virtue signaling. Right, he's standing up for the Lord and he's, uh, he's weathering the storm of persecution that's raining down on him like hell fire on the standard. I don't know what however that goes. But but then I thought, but isn't that really anti Christian?
Right? Didn't Jesus talk about that kind of stuff about virtue signaling? Isn't isn't virtue signaling supposed to be a bad thing? I mean, if we look at the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector, right, the Pharisee stands up there and he's like praying in front of people, acting all pious and being you know, visible. And then but the tax collector, who was supposed to be you know, the shifty guy. You know, he's in it. He's the greedy, in it for the money. He's
not really pious, but he's praying off in the corner. And then Jesus says, and allegedly in the story, yeah, for all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. And so, you know, getting up on national TV and taking the hit for Jesus, I don't know. That didn't hold a lot of water. So I was curious, what maybe from business perspective, maybe it's a business decision.
And so I actually found I actually found Sorry, what was that, Cynthia, or I was just going to say that it could be something else that you said that it is easier. Let's hear it. It is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. So because obviously, like when what I mentioned previously, Joe, Joe, no scrilla, Okay, you know, so maybe this virtual signaling could be, hey, trying to get it in with
the big guy. Make sure you got them, you know, mom manson in heaven ready for me. I don't know that story was be a camel, that was the more of it. Just be a camel. Yeah, and you could be trying to purposely make himself go bankrupt to get into heaven too, right, that could be that could be maybe Cynthia was onto something
with the whole camel and the needle thing. But but I did I did want to look up what actual, what actual business or related organizations would say, and I found two opposing articles, and I just want to do one quote from each of them. So this first one was from the Harvard Business Review, and they think there can be situations where companies should take a stance
on social issue. Okay, and so so this man is representing his company, he's representing his business, and so maybe it was a business decision. The Harvard Business Review thinks that it could happen. Here's what they say, and I'm paraphrasing here. They ask three questions, does it a lot? Does the issue align with your company's strategy? Can you meaningfully influence the issue?
And will your constituencies agree with speaking out? So if the answers to those three questions nudge you towards speaking out, then it's a good decision to do that. So whether I don't know, maybe he thought that people would rally behind him, and well, obviously at least some of them are, at least FoxBusiness dot com is doing that, and so maybe he thought it would be a good business strategy because maybe he reads the Harvard Business Review.
On the flip side of the coin, The Hill dot Com, in an opinion piece said companies can do more social good by not taking a stance on divisive issues. Instead, they should foster a healthy dialogue on issues among their employees. And potentially there are other constituents such as consumer Given that many people generally trust the companies they work for more than they trust other institutions, businesses are in a unique position to encourage balance debates on contentious issues in a way
that both sides can trust. So on one hand, they're saying, um, it would make good business, Uh, you know, a good business decision to do this kind of thing, because then it's going to rally your your supporters and it's gonna create you know, it's going to create unity within your within your employee base, and you can move forward from there. But on the other side, you know, there are other experts that are saying, well, and and to me all fairness, to me, the second
one seems like it's the more enlightened perspective here. And what they're saying is that if you do that kind of thing, then you are gonna you're gonna unify your employee base, but you're also gonna take away diversity. And um, and I think we can all agree here that having diversity ensures that many
different perspectives can be represented that real solutions come. And I love this quote from Thomas h or um Hume. It was for some reason his first name was Blanking, but from hum he says, um, truth springs from argument among friends, and so so if we have a good diverse base of opinions, then we can we can get that going. I'm during the fumble here, so I passed off to the TAO before I start blue. Well, I did want to just make a quick comment and then tell y'all would love
you to wrap us up. Maybe he was actually signaling to his to his customers that only transphobic people go to the State's grills, seafood deck and tiki bar. Jay to just transphob to people. So if they transphobic, you good gone eat your seafood at the tiki bar and have a drink on one, yes, one of the well biggotry duck, because obviously Biggert you duck got all the squirrel up. You know, of course, all of it
every time he's on screen. There's another point two cents point two cents your place get drunk while you wear your cross that represents Jesus and your red hat and stuff like that. I you know what. People like this guy, Um, they not only they make me sick, but I see them as victims of a system that has failed them. They are the perfect example of
why misinformation and ignorance are so harmful. They are the perfect example of somebody who is so privileged that acknowledging that non strict people are real is causing him big distress. Dude, do you want to live in a house without running water and electricity? Let's see what on Earth is for you after that? And I guess this is this, This is the reason why I just fight misinformation and in rance in every single show that I can. And I think
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segment, guys. And this is a step in the right direction. Step in the right direction. Yeah, step in the right direction with step step stepping in the right direction. Yeah. And this story is entitled thank you. I'd rather die than call her a hill. Christian teacher band from Teaching for miss gendering trans people says he feels no remorse as he slams lack of
training over transgender issues in schools. This is from the Daily Mail and also comes up with a companion article band Christian teacher who misgenders pupil says schools should not affirm trans pronouns and plots appeal Leading Britain's Conversation by Will Taylor. So basically we have a story coming from the Daily Mail and the companion story from the Leading Britain Conversation or the LBC. And no I'm not talking about a
Snoop Dogg song. It's just like Compton. The story is about a Christian UK teacher named Joshua Sutcliff and that miss gendered a student in his class. According to the LBC, Sutcliff has admitted he did not use their preferred pronouns when he was told a math class well done girl, but said that was not intentional and then apologized straight away. But in the Daily Mail he said to the Telegraph, well, I'm sorry, but that's the Christian position.
I wasn't going to say I'm going to along with this. I'd rather die, to be honest. Obviously that's quite extreme, but that's how I feel. So this lets me know that the supposed apology was a hunkle bullshit. So who wants to go ahead and take it first, Kelly, I think that you have some thoughts from this particulars. I do. So we got one biggot going from helen or to another biggot doing thoughts of self annihilation, right, nihilism all the way, and it's just one more undermining my argument
with stupidity to me? And does he really think and this guy as a teacher, remember that, does he really think that we believe he would rather die than you someone's pronoun that he disagrees with hyperbo. I think we should put him to the test. I don't think we should kill him, but I'd like to see I'd like to see it the threat be put there, and then see what judgment he makes at that point, because I don't think
he'd preferred that over the using a pronoun. I think he's being very very dis And do you want to check to see if he has the faith of Abraham? Yes, right, exactly, that's exactly. No, not you again, ESBD. They do have bigots over in England. No, I'm not going to pay pay to take a cruise over there. You're afraid of flicking out of here? You're not afraid of flying. Let me finish the
show entitled Oh yeah, annoy me. Yeah, he's calling, and he's calling for training and guidance for interaction with trance students, or so he says in one breath, and then in the next breath he says, he's immutable on his ideas of gender anyway, So any amount of training isn't going to make this man change his mind or his behavior. I don't understand why he thinks that calling for training is going to make a difference. What do you think, Tao? Oh? Well, yeah, actually, really, I
actually agree with you. I think that he was being totally dishonest. And I want you to mention the Bible again because it's so funny how they how Christians seem to think seemed to take their Bible as if it was a fake, because they always say, oh, yeah, we're superior because we follow the ten commandments, do not lie. And then we have all this type of Christians saying, oh no, I'm totally being discriminated. Why sir, why are you being discriminated because they won't let me bully this kid? Oh
no, no, no, I'm not bullying. It's just that they never told me what I should do. And then and that's why I preferred to die before accepting that this child is us a hero. I think it was a here, So I prefer to die before calling this child a he. And what'st of all, I'm sure that this guy is going to try to,
you know, play the victim card. Oh no, I'm being persecuted by my I believes, instead of accepting, Oh yeah, it's a freaking adult who should know better, who's working with children, who's actually pulling a child? Disgusting type discusting diaphons. I agree with with the bigotry dog that Kelly hiding there, I wouldn't mind as well. So yeah, well, before I say anything, full disclosure here, I'm a teacher at a public college and a union member, so I recognize that I may be biased in
favor of my fellow teacher here. No, No, that's okay, I'm about to say, but I gotta callege. I gotta check myself right, and I gotta check myself before I get into it here. So, having said that, I wanted to compare this situation with the situation we were talking about earlier with the Catholic church in UH in Chicago. Right, So in that previous section at the end, I was talking about mister Rogers and we're
looking for where's the helpers? Right, And we were all angered greatly that the adults would just stand around and look the other way while these horrible things are happening. Right, the people in charge of caring for these vulnerable, these other vulnerable human beings, we're dropping the ball big time. And so in that case, the response was way too little, way too late, and an underreaction. Now let's compare that to what we're looking at here.
So we have the British government, the school district or whatever was taking action here. So in this case we appear to have a different response. It's important that we keep in mind that we don't have all the facts here, so we want to make sure but based off of the facts that we've seen, it was an appropriate response. It was I think the response to the school was direct and thoughtful, and appropriate and measured, and most importantly,
it was enacted with the best interest of the children in mind. They said that multiple times throughout the article that they were that they were trying to give a measured response, give an appropriate response, and one that protected the children first. So Catholic Church please pay attention. This is how you do it.
This is how you do it, right man. I was so about to start singing, but I just a piggyback off of what you said, Scott at an actuality, the thirty three year old teacher at the Churwell School and Oxford failed to treat a pupil with dignity and respect. So the Teacher Regulation Authority, that is their ruling body that I guess that's just an equivalent of a board of an education in that particular area found in a case considered
the first of its kind. It also ruled that he did not protect their well being and he did not use their pronoun and the body added was more probable than not that he referred to the pupil using female pronouns on other occasions during his tenure at the school between two thousand and fifteen and two thousand and
eighteen. And then it goes on to say that mister Sutcliffe was also found to have committed misconduct for expressing his opposition to gay marriage after a pupil asked him about it and did not consider the possible impact of a statement that being gay was wrong. So you know, he basically engaged in his typical apologetics. According to fundamentalist Christian worldview, that asked about the t r a's finding, and he was and he actually made remarks about being opposed to sexual homosexuality.
He actually said that I had a gay friend. You know, it's kind of like up there, you know, like you know I had a gay friend. I got that black friend, right, you know, yeah, I had a gay friend too. Yeah. I guess what I had black friend, a gay friend, and they black gay friend. I got several black gay friends, black trans friends. You know, I have a bigger friend, right, Well, you gotta what you got. But but one of the things that he said, see, like first he's like,
well you know that gay friend. I had checked this out. Guys. He said, um, my gay friend left the gay lifestyle and decided to of a Christian lifestyle. And the students found out about bet and I don't regret sharing this information. So not only are you mis gendering people, you're not using their pronouns correctly. You are not you are you are not actually
being that helper that Scott talked about. When you're gay student came to and asked you, like an actual question about gay marriage, then you had the nerve to push us. I need to cross myself real quick. We call that a pattern of a pattern of behavior. Yes you, but you're but he's he's pushing. Also conversion therapy, right, oh yeah, well that's
right. But the crazy thing about it, and this is this is the scary part about you actually being a teacher of children and not knowing the statistics when it comes to conversion therapy actually being more harmful than helpful to people who actually go through it. There's tons, tons of studies on that. That's because faith is more important than facts. See faith over faith over facts. I see, that's what we're doing. I see, that's exactly what they're
doing. But you know, but one of the things that I will say specifically is to step in the right direction, is that at least you have an educational oversight board the tra specifically that recognize the harm that this teacher was involved in and made his butt band so that he cannot teach in the UK again. Now, mister Cucliffe, I'm about to tell you right now, don't bring your ass over here, don't come over across the pond, don't don't do that. Stay your ass where you at, And it might be
welcome in Florida. I was in Alabama and he did a job as a head teacher. But I just want to slip in here real quick here, Cynthia, you were just talking about how the you know, the that they were taking action, right, and so the the tra right this teacher what was it, the teacher the teaching regulation of teaching regulars. Yeah, so they did this knowing that there was going to be pushed back, knowing that there was going to be a bad press, knowing that there that this was
going to happen. So I think that makes it all the more admirable. Yeah, that's true. And even if you do come to Florida, mister Sutcliffe, I'm about to tell um, uh, the Santists don't don't get that man, No damn job, don't don't you do it. We're gonna come down and find you. Put Helen on the job. Then we'll get Helen Green. Now, we'll get Helen there. We'll put her on it.
The Santists wouldn't welcome him to Florida because he'd be an immigrant, right this is but hold on, hold on, he will be the right kind of immigrant, you know, you know, I mean that's that's a whole another show too. But you know, mainly and we have precedence in history. If you're the right kind of immigrant United States, they got no problem with you. Okay, we go ahead and close us out, so we
can go ahead and close out the show. I will close us out, I thankfully, while we still have to contend with people like Florida Man and mister immutable. Here, we are making a out a headway against the sheer bigotry left in the world. And it makes me proud that, first off, that tra stood up to this man and did what they were supposed to
do. And I'm really proud that I belong to a group of people that really cares, supports, stands up and speaks out for marginalized people as much as the people around me do, and the people here on this panel too. We should all all of us around the world stand up support these groups, because in the end, atheists are a marginalized group too, and by
lending our support to others causes, we gained their support as well. I'd rather walk through the darkness watching someone's back while someone watches mine, rather than walk alone. You don't need to be super to be a hero. That was beautiful, Kelly, and I almost started singing again, but I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do my final announcement. You say that like you're not trying to get us to beg you to sing, Cynthia, please please sing. No, it's not that we know we
no, no, no no. I'm you know. As soon as you started talking like your last point, especially about not walking alone, and I just took me back to my my A choir days. You all know that song. But I'm but but we wanted to stay monetized, so I will not see That's what I'm saying. Less, I can actually make up a song on the spot about not walking alone, which I'm not that creative. So I'm just gonna go ahead and go to the final announcements, which are
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