So we have a very interestory, very interesting story for you this afternoon. As a psychic from Dartmouth College, Marcelo Glasser insists that reality in which we live cannot possibly be simulated.
But you mean physicist.
Yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be physicists and no one's going to get that reference. But anyways, Uh, okay, all right, all right, right, let me change it up a bit. This is your chance after this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill and skip ahead about twenty minutes. Then you can believe whatever you have been told by others. Or you could take the brown pill and you stay with your favorite nonprofits, and I'll show you just how deep
this rabbit hole goes. It's okay, it's iduprofen and I'm over forty. So yeah, we've got an article about how a simulation theory. We've heard it on the show many many times, where people do believe that our reality is simulated. Uh, but I would say that let's go ahead and throw it to tale. What do you think about the simulation theory not being possible?
Oh, the silly idea is silly? What a surprise, so shocking whenever I read something that one guy said something, I'm always skeptical because you need a whole community, you know, realizing that, oh yeah, those findings kind of make sense and we can't try this. But so, of course, as soon as I read this, I was like, yeah, sure, this must be something incredible that this guy discovered. But no, it's just trying to explain why this philosophical idea of No,
either it's my mind creating everything around me. Which come on, I could never create this world that surrounds me. It's not that I don't like it, but I just don't like it.
Or don't hold yourself, don't sell yourself short tile.
Okay, you're right. If my mind is as awesome as I think, I could create somebody as you. Of course, dear queen, of.
Course you see see you know, raging seconds around here.
Of course, totally okay, maybe my mind could create this and give me the problems that I have right now. Yeah, who knows. Maybe it's a shitty mind. Who knows. But if we try to go with the other idea, oh yeah, there is a matrix. A perfect matrix is impossible because perfection is unnattainable, and a real matrix would have lots
of witches that everybody would be exploiting. This guy tries to go even further beyond and try to explain that, Okay, that matrix needed somebody to create the matrix that needed another matrix where it was created. So it's just you know, infinite regression, and this whole article more like a philosophical discussion. That's something that a physicist would try to, you know, explain tale.
It's just it's turtles all the way down.
It's sort to sort their way down. Of course, sure, I yes, of course.
Well I got super excited just reading this because for me personally, this is kind of different than what we've talked about before run here, at least when I've been on here. So uh really, I just chalk it up to sounds cool to think about. Not a physicist, I don't really know how it works. I think the implications of it maybe you're a little eh, but I don't know. It just seems like a cool thing to me. I think we should definitely look into it and try to
test it if we can. I saw one of the people was saying that there might be a way to test it, and I don't know anything really about physics. I try to stay away from physics. We're not friends, I have, I have beef with physics. But you know, I think it's into we.
Try to fold in some protein into your nonprofits diet, right.
Right, you know.
I just the only thing I think I didn't like about this article in particular was that someone said we can't prove we're not living in a simulation. And I believe that was a philosophist, philosopher that was saying that, but they yeah, they were basically saying that we can't prove we're not living in a simulation. And I'm like, I'm kind of getting the you can't prove there isn't
a god vibes, and I don't really like that. It just seems like the argument from incredulity of you know, I don't understand therefore, you know, And so I'm like, I'm not gonna say I understand it.
I definitely don't. It's way over my head.
But I feel like there is a neutral position, and I feel like, you know, maybe I didn't look into the article as much, maybe they did say this, but I feel like there's a neutral position. There's we are living in a simulation, and there's we are not living in a simulation, and then there's people like me who are in the middle, going mmm, I don't know, sounds cool. I have no idea, so my stances, I don't believe it. It's cool to think about, but until there's evidence for it,
I'm kind of just like cool story bro. It doesn't really impact my life very much, but I definitely definitely think it should be explored, and it just sounds fascinating to me, and I probably will go bene some YouTube videos about it after this, all right, Jason.
Jason, all right, so down occasionally.
Well, so, I mean you said some things there, like, you know, you don't understand the the physics behind that, and that's perfectly understandable. And there are so many different type of simulation theories. You know, We've got some popular ones like the matrix or the sims where you know, we're just plugged into a computer or we are the
program and somebody is controlling us. They talked about now in this article, they briefly touched on something to do about cosmic rays that studying them can somehow And I tried to read that paper and it was like a lot of different academic papers full of semantic nonsense. But another one that I never heard was the idea of a minecraft thing where the universe is just broken up into little chunks and as you move into one chunk or another, it builds a whole new thing. I'm like, Okay, wow,
that's that's really cool. But like there's trying to look out into the deep cosmos to try to find the pixels of the universe. Sometimes they go deep into like the plank level of things to try to see that oh well, maybe electrons and neutrons. There are ones and zeros of the massive program and all of it is just kind of like like you said, August, it's it's
a lot of cool story bro. And yeah, how you create a tool to within the universe, within that computer, within that virtual machine to use a computer term to then go outside and see the environment further as it is. Again, personally, I have my own personal un controulty. But at the end of the day, I can say, I don't know, but if you come up with something, I'm willing to listen to it.
But yeah, I have to jump in here. But whenever anyone uses phrasey onlygin like we can't prove we're not xxxtually in this situation, divving in a simulation. I feel they just haven't got a clue that what they're talking about, and they're just going no criticism, criticism, go away, please, no no, no, no, no no, no no no. I mean, we can't prove that a deity just wanted to desist. That doesn't mean that I go around bathing in Pascal's wager,
going oh look, I can't prove it doesn't exist. I mean, these claims from these proponents, and there are different people claiming that lizard people are running the British monarchy, or you know, the elders of Zion have invaded Mars or something. I mean, these are created, in some cases so far outside the Overton window that they can't even be thrown back through it to be defenestrated through the Overton window. We have got to a point where somebody has come
along and gone up. I think that we could be living in a simulation. I can't prove it's not a simulation, so I'm going to say it is a simulation, rather than going, why on Earth am I saying it's a simulation in the first place? Ah, And I mean, it just gets to the point where I could say I live inside this ruler and I come out of it fifteen times a day to talk to other people, but I live inside this ruler. I can't prove I don't
live inside that ruler, but that's where we are. And I feel I may have over extended the metaphor here. So if I, you know, very summer breezy, kind of August can take me out of my you know, wonderful ruler that I've got here, I'd be very much appreciative.
Yeah.
I just think it's kind of just, uh wow, this is really cool. And I know in certain things, like I've seen untruth wanted people call in about simulation theory all the time and it's like, you're not.
A physicist, you don't know what's going on, but whatever.
I also, I think I kind of chalk it up to the same thing as like the I believe it's the Fermi paradox, where it's.
Like, where's all the other intelligent life?
And there's some people who are like, oh, there's aliens, and then there's like, no, there's no way there's any kind of life outside of us that's intelligent.
And I'm sitting here like, I don't know, sounds cool. I want to look into it, but like it's kind of just like a mind bigling just blows my mind every time. It's way over my head.
But one thing I do want to bring up kind of circle it back to the potentially religious side of it, is the fact that if there's a simulation, it brings to the forefront the idea of free will. And if there is free will, and I believe that, like you know, even amongst you know, non believer skeptics, there's.
A lot of discussion about.
Whether we think we have free will or not, and completely absent of religion, and there's a lot of people without religion who say, no, I don't think we have free will, and there's others that say, yeah, I think maybe we do. We're autonomous. So I thought that was really cool to think about. Well, if we are just in the SIMS four, then you know, what does that mean for our decisions? And I think it could go into brain chemistry and all this kind of stuff. So
it is a definitely a rabbit hole of things. So what do you think, Tia.
Well, I was going to say exactly the same about free will, because it's hard to be find it. I mean, what is free will? Is it actually being able to do anything that you want, because that is not possible due to many things that are going to define if you have the capacity to do it, resources, et cetera, et cetera. Or is it making my own choices because we know that the brain decides before I can make
my thoughts conscious. So yes, you said it's very hard to know what is actually going on, and what you mentioned about the alien things. One of my favorite comics that I've seen is Two Figures. One guy is talking to a figure. They are looking at the stars, and one says, are we alone in the universe? And the figure answers, yes, we are. Oh so there are no
others out there? Yes, they are alone too, because of course distals are so huge that it's you know, we are all alone in the universe because other life it's separated by millions and billions of years. And now that we're talking about these crazy theories, may I introduce you to the theocentric theory of the universe, where the whole universe was created just for me.
It's my new really universe was crazy for me, me, me and my ego.
Why my theocentric universe is the theory of the universe is another thing, but we will have to describe it. But okay, okay, Phoebe, what do you want to say?
Phoebe is just an NPC in my universe.
I was chatting to join it to Elier and he's got some experiment that he wants to try. So so let's have this experiment of yours that we were chatting about earlier.
Come on, okay, so everybody go ahead and raise your arm. It's gonna be a little bit hard because of the him that we're in. But everybody raised your arm. Okay, you all lost your free will?
You ast you, I willed you.
I willed you to raise your arm.
Wow, And so therefore that's that's deep, bro.
Yeah, can I put it down yet?
Yeah?
Sure?
Why not? Jason? What if I was not able to raise my hand? Good? That means that I don't help free will either. Well maybe you do.
Maybe you don't be because maybe by me exerting my will on you, I actually wanted you to not raise your hand. So again we're going into a kind of a solid system.
Wow.
That was Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so it could have It could have been that you don't know because already I exerted my will, whether you wanted to or not, whether I wanted you to or not. How do you prove that? So again, the idea of free will is something that is so innately weird because at the end of this episode, I'm gonna still have to go to work.
That's true. If life was so easy as to say, oh, yeah, there is a God and he gave us free will and not think about it, life would be so easy. Oh wait, No, it makes things even worse because now you're not thinking you're wrong.
But where did evidence some reason go? I mean, I'm one of these strange people. Present it's an evidence, present me with some reason or frankly, get out of town. I mean, get out, clear off. But I mean I'm gonna be a bit of a poopoo a hit this kind of stuff. I just switch off. I just I just switch off. I mean, I find these things have less substance in them than my copy of the National Enquirer that I enjoy reading. But I think that we've
potentially overextended this part. But I leave you with something that Jason's going to like that psychics at Caltech and the Femory National Accelerator Lab. You know what, I'm pretty sure is supposed to be physicists, because I think it's the psychics that are coming up with this rubish. But yes, don't anybody had any final thing that they wanted to say before we, you know, put this one out to tenure.
Yes, don't scientists have a term for this, something called mental masturvation. If I'm not mistaken for these idios,