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¶ Reform Party's Funding Scandal
You may remember not so long ago that British politics was convulsed by so called freebie gate, Keir Starmer and Labor ministers being lacerated for accepting corporate hospitality, clothes, gifts. From party donors, it was an early part of Keir Starmer's problems. But by comparison To party funding, you can really argue that all of that was small, almost non existent beer, and in the last weeks the funding of one party in particular has attracted more and more attention.
A party which tells us they're heading for Downing Street, a party tipped to top the poll in next week's English local elections. Reform. We now know that Nigel Farage's party has been given over£12 million from a single donor, a Thai-based British businessman, crypto billionaire, Christopher Harborn. And we also now know, courtesy of the Guardian, that it isn't just enormous sums flowing into party coffers.
It has been revealed this week that just before Nigel Farage was elected an MP in twenty twenty four, Mr Harborne gave Mr Farage a present. of five million pounds never before disclosed. This is a total financial commitment from one man to reform and Farage personally of at least 17 million pounds over barely two years.
On today's show then, how could it be that reform, a party we are told that is preparing for government, could become so dependent on a Thai based crypto billionaire? What does it say about the way that we fund politics? About politics to come and what, if anything, does Mr Harborn want for all that money? Welcome to the newsagents.
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Okay, let's start with the basics. Reform likes to say that it is a new party, and of course, in relative terms compared to Labour or the Conservatives, that's true, but it is in fact a rebranded version. of the Brexit Party. You'll remember them, founded as a successor to Nigel Farage's UKIP to try and kill off Theresa May's ill fated Brexit deal.
I think politics is broken. I did say that if I ever had to come back into the political fray, Next time, it'll be no more Mr. Nice Guy.
Now that party won the European elections of twenty nineteen. May's deal went down. Eventually the Brexit Party under Farage sort of backed Boris Johnson in the general election of that year. We had Brexit. and then, well, the Brexit Party became something else. In twenty twenty one it was rebranded as Reform UK. Now it largely languished under the Conservatives.
With the now deputy leader Richard Tice in charge. And then, after much speculation, Nigel Farage made yet another one of his fabled reentries into British politics, announcing that he would stand in the general election of ninety four, having only previously just said that he wouldn't.
So I am gonna stand in this election. I'll be launching my candidacy at midday tomorrow. In the Essex Seaside town of Clacton. So midday tomorrow, Clacton, at the end of the pair. But perhaps Perhaps more important than that. I've made a I've made a far bigger decision than that. I'm coming back as leader of Reform UK. But not just for this election campaign. I'm coming back for the next five years.
Reform did pretty well in that general election. From a nearstanding start, they won 14.3% of the national vote, just over four million votes overall, and five seats in Parliament. Since the election, they quickly established a consistent polling lead over Tories and Labour in well over a hundred polls now, sometimes substantial ones, although you will note that the trend of how big the lead is recently has been on the down.
Boosted by this success though, they've accumulated a load of former Tory cabinet ministers and MPs to the cause. It is impressive stuff, politically speaking. And the way reform like to portray it is as a people's army, a bottom up revolt against the political classes.
In British politics. We are now polling at 20%, and we are embarking on the most ambitious plan to build.
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But it turns out that this isn't all a grassroots effort. All of that slick, professionalized operation has to be paid for, which has led to the question with which we started, where is reform getting its money?
¶ Crypto Billionaire Backs Reform
Well it turns out unusually, overwhelmingly, reform has depended on one man. This guy, Christopher Harborn, or should I say, Chakrit Secumcrit, a British citizen, but now Thai based with a tie name, billionaire, who has made much of his money in crypto. He's a highly private person. But here he is, talking about his wellness retreat, Kamalaya, on Kosamui.
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Now it isn't unusual for political parties to rely on big money donations from individuals. Indeed, Harborne previously backed Boris Johnson's Conservatives. Harborne went on to accompany Boris Johnson on a trip to Ukraine. What is unusual is the extraordinary size of Harborne's donations to reform in such a short space of time, and how apparently dependent reform has become on this one donor. In twenty twenty five, Harborne gave the single biggest donation in British political
history to reform. Some nine million pounds. Yes, you heard that right. Nine million pounds. And he wasn't done. Just before 2025's end, he donated a further three million to the party, bringing the total financial support to reform from Harborn to a minimum.
of twelve million pounds in just one year. Now that is a huge number in absolute terms, but it's massive relatively too, because bear in mind that the total amount raised for all UK parties in twenty twenty five, according to the Electoral Commission, was some sixty five million pounds. That means that the 12 million Harborne gay reform was more or less about a fifth of all the money donated to all the political parties in Britain in 2025.
Consider that in the quarter where Harbor made the second£3 million donation, the party's next biggest donation reforms was a relatively meager£250,000. So the next lot of donations for reform behind Harborn are about twelve times smaller than the sort of money that Harborn is giving the party.
In twenty twenty five, reform raised about eighteen million overall. Twelve million came from Harborn. So in other words, one donor was responsible for two thirds of the party's money. Now as I say, Big money donations are not unusual in British politics, but it is unusual for a party to raise so much money from one person, and it has led to questions. said about what influence and power it might provide Mr Harborne if reform were to get into government.
¶ Farage's Crypto Connections Exposed
This is not least because Christopher Harborn has been described as a crypto billionaire, and it has been noted that reform, though they and he deny any link here, is perhaps the most pro crypto of any major British political party. Farage has talked about making the UK a crypto friendly environment. He's criticized what he sees as an overregulation of digital assets.
And Farage has even personally backed a crypto venture, reportedly to the tune of two hundred fifteen thousand pounds from his own money, headed up by Liz Truss's former Chancellor, Quasiquate. Sack BTC.
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But of course. There's form here, because across the Atlantic, Nigel Farage's great ally and friend Donald Trump has made huge sums, perhaps over a billion dollars in crypto, as has his wider family and industry, he as president. Now regulates.
Soon I'm laying out my plan to ensure that the United States will the crypto capital of the planet and the Bitcoin superpower of the world and we'll get it done.
Harborne himself is a major shareholder in tether, registered in the Central American dictatorship of El Salvador with a tiny staff Tether has been described as the most profitable company per employee in history. It has issued$184 billion in digital cash known as stablecoin. Here's Farage talking I L B C about Tether.
You know, tether is a stable coin. Stable coins are the way which money goes from conventional currencies through into cryptocurrencies and back again. Tether is about to be valued as a five hundred billion dollar company. You know, stable coins, crypto, this world is enormous.
And I've been urging for years that London should embrace it. We should become a global trading centre for this stuff under proper regulation. And the Governor of the Bank of England earlier this week indicated that nobody No individual should be allowed to have more than ten thousand pounds worth of stable coins, to which some of my friends have said, should we just emigrate?
Reform also enjoys the support of Ben Dilo, a Hong Kong-based, yes, you guessed it, crypto billionaire who has promised to move back to the UK to avoid a proposed Labour government law to ban foreign-based donors. from donating to UK political parties, a ban Mr Harborn for his part has promised to get around, saying I'll just donate even more. And we now know, thanks to exclusive Guardian reporting this week, that Harbor also donated five million pounds.
Personally, to Nigel Farage, before the general election, a previously undisclosed sum. The Tories have referred Farage to the parliamentary authorities, asking for a standards investigation.
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And we know of uh section five of the House of Commons Code of Conduct states that you must declare all all that kind of income. It's very important that other parliamentarians in debate ymwneud â phobl sy'n ymwneud â phobl sy'n ymwneud â phobl sy'n ymwneud â phobl sy'n ymwneud â phobl sy'n ymwneud â phobl.
I think the other background to this is from a cryptocurrency billionaire in um the person Christopher Harbor who made this donation and we know that reform, for example, have brought forward policies that are very beneficial.
to cryptocurrency those people involved in the cryptocurrency sector, uh tax breaks and the like, which would be very, very beneficial. So it would be wrong on two scores. Basically the fact he hasn't declared them, he hasn't followed the rules, and potentially Rydyn ni'n gwneud bod Nigel Farage wedi gwneud rhywbeth neu wedi gwneud rhywbeth, byddai'n gwneud rhywbeth.
Remember all that talk about reform getting a donation from Elon Musk? Well it turns out they really don't need him. When we come back, we'll be talking to the journalist from The Guardian, Anna Isaac, who broke that five million pound Farage donation story just this week. Stay with us.
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¶ Inside Farage's Secret Donation
So Anna, let's start and and um delve deep into this curious world of Nigel Farage's fan finances but also reform's finances. Um could we just start by Explaining who and giving us a bit of a biography of who Christopher Harborn is, because by definition, the vast, vast majority of people up to this point have never heard of him.
Yeah, so um Christopher Harborne is um a billionaire. He's um spending most of his time in Thailand these days, but he is British born. Um he's acquired a much of his wealth through a twelve percent stake in a um cryptocurrency called Tether. Um, and he has for a long time, um, since at least twenty nineteen, been a big backer of the Brexit Party, which eventually became, as we know now, the Reform UK Party. So he's a long standing supporter of it.
Um he's uh a a well established uh political donor in in the UK.
And primarily now, even though as you say he's British, he he is based, he lives in Thailand, that's right.
Yes, that's correct. Yes, um he has lots of different business interests around the world but um he is uh he lives in Thailand. Um he for business purposes there and I think for his citizenship purposes took
Okay. So he's a a strong advocate of Brexit. He supported the Conservative Party, he supported the Brexit Party, which listeners and viewers might remember was the predecessor vehicle to reform. And now he he has become an important donor for reform, but also, as per your story, to Nigel Farage personally. Can you tell us about what you've discovered?
Yes, so so what was already known about Harborn in recent years is that he was the uh he's made the biggest donation of a living donor. to a political party, so he'd given um nine million to reform in a single go. He then gave additional sum, so taking it as total to twelve million. Um and that's in twenty twenty five.
Um but what I have uncovered is that he also made a gift of five million pounds to Nigel Farage weeks before um uh Farage announced that he would be standing as an MP in the twenty twenty four election. Um so it's um a really interesting development I think in in building up a picture about the relationship between the two.
So he's given it to him personally. So this is not a r a a reform party donation.
This is a donation that he's given to Nigel Farage when Nigel Farage in that period again listeners and viewers will remember, but when there was a lot of speculation as to whether he would stand again for reform, because Richard Tice, his now deputy, was then leader of reform, in the months and weeks before the general election in july twenty twenty four, this five million pound gift, present, was given to Farage personally during that time.
Yes, that's right. So um so if we if we cast our minds back, so you had on um I believe it's the twenty third of May um uh Nigel Farisha ruled himself out and then and said, Look, I am going to keep being politically active, I'm going to campaign for reform, but I've chosen not to stand as an MP at this time. Um and that was in response partly it was assumed to the to the sort of furore that was building about will he, won't he stand?
Um and then um by June third it was revealed, um, trailed and then he made a public announcement on June fourth. um of twenty twenty four that he was going to stand, that he was going to stand for the seat of Placton on C. And if you cross your minds back, you'll also remember that there was a candidate that reform had put in place. This was how last minute things were. Um and um that that candidate was then replaced by Nigel Farage.
And this seems an extraordinary amount of money to just give somebody. An extraordinary amount of money That has not hitherto before your story been disclosed.
Yes, I mean uh certainly certainly to me five million pounds would seem um uh a large sum. I think to to most people, most readers, members of the public, five million pounds is is is is is a lot of money.
Um, and before this story we knew absolutely nothing about it. Um, it hadn't been declared anywhere either to the Electoral Commission, or um or or to the the they call it the register of members' interests, but um the um the parliamentary log that is kept of all the financial interests and benefits that MPs may receive.
Do we know what the money has been used for?
¶ Farage's Gift: Security or Influence?
Both Nigel Farage and Christopher Harborn took an unusual step, which was to give an interview about the gift. um once they knew this this story um once they've been approached about this story by the guardian. Not not not to us sadly, although they're always welcome to have an interview with us. I'm very, very willing and uh able and glad to to to do an interview with them should they should they be willing.
um the security threats that um Nigel Farage has received. Um it is you know, and just to be really clear on one point, you know, MP's safety and the safety of people operating in the political sphere in the country is really serious.
we have seen MPs lose their lives in the line of carrying out their public works. So it's certainly the case that there are security issues that people may face. I think there are um Still though, some some questions to ask about um why the money might have been given in this way for security purposes.
ond Nigel Farage's account is he said this is to keep me safe and secure for the rest of my life. That's why Christopher Harbon gave it to me and he said Christopher was an ardent supporter of his. So that's the account that Nigel Farage has given and um uh Christopher Harborn has confirmed in a separate interview he said, you know, it was for security. That so that's that's their position. Um that's their explanation for the gift. And they said it was unconditional.
um and unrelated to whether or not he would or would not stand again. Um and that it was from a position where they've said, you know, at this time he wasn't um politically active. You know, they said he'd he'd essentially retired from politics at that time.
Within weeks of it, so Because I mean obviously again, listeners and viewers will remember that, um uh Naj Faraj has actually said that he wasn't going to stand again. He'd confirmed it online, he said he would do his bit for the campaign, but that it wasn't the right time.
for him personally to get back on the front line of British politics. He said at that time that he wanted to preserve his freedom to go and campaign in the US presidential election which is, if I recall correctly he said was of far more importance than the UK general election. But this donation or or gift is not really a donation, this this this gift takes place shortly after that.
And then Farage does say that he wants to go back in. Now as you say, they say that it's unconditional or unrelated. But the timing is quite striking, isn't it?
I I think it is and it's it's it's um you know it's it's a it's a point we'd we'd love to have addressed um more clearly. Um, you know, to have have them explain more um about the timing. Um, I mean he he he has said that, you know, he had ongoing security threats. He cited um in his into the telegraph a um an attempt to firebomb his home.
um that actually happened quite some time after the gift was made. So um we know it was weeks before he announced he was going to stand as an MP. He made that announcement in June twenty twenty four. The firebombing in incident he described actually happened in twenty twenty five.
So um there is there is a there is a there's a gap there, but he has said that there were sort of ongoing security concerns throughout this throughout this period. Um and they've been very emphatic that the that the the that the gift and his decision to stand uh are unrelated.
um but I think it still uh raises a lot of questions about maybe the limits on on the declaration systems um that we have. You know, it um the the big question is, you know, uh now it's been referred to um sorry to use jargon, but the um the the the parliamentary uh watchdog for standards, shall we say, um, you know, it's been referred to them by the Conservative Party to say, you know, should of this should this have been declared as a donation?
or even as a gift, because there are some rules governing um MPs that even when someone gives them money, if there's any reason to believe that it might be used in any way for political purposes then it ought to be declared. So there isn't a question now as to whether or not what will happen with that referral and whether or not a judgment will be made that perhaps it ought to have been declared.
¶ Dodging the Press, Challenging Regulations
Well I wanna come back to that, but just um just to kind of let people in behind the curtain a little bit. You've already referred to to it. But just just take us through. You you get this story, which is obviously a big story, and it comes off the back of
separate uh reporting that your newspaper The Guardian has has has been doing about Christopher Harborn and about his relationship with Farage and uh the Reform Party. But you get this story. You approach them, obviously as any good journalist does. For comment and, you know, to get their side of the story and so on. And and what happened? How did how did they respond to it?
We approached them well ahead of publication, as you would expect, to give people a fair chance to reply. Um we we lay it out a little in our story, um but um uh Reform UK didn't um respond with any comment at all. Um we approached the director of communications Um uh and there was no response. Um and then they came back twenty four hours later and they said
Oh actually you um contacted the wrong person. Um you should have um contacted someone else and then we got a response from their lawyers asking for more time. So we gave them an additional twenty four hours and then they made a decision that they would give an interview to a different newspaper to try and get ahead of the story.
Um so so so that was their approach and um in t that was that was Reform UK's approach and we did contact lawyers acting for Christopher Harborn, um, having been in touch with some of his businesses. Um and they asked for more time, we also granted them that and then he made also made a decision um to to give an interview to a different paper. So they actually didn't respond to um what we call either your invitation to comment or your right of reply in journo jargon.
So they didn't get back to you actually addressing the fundamentals and the questions that that that you had, even though you gave them the opportunity to do so. But they did choose Miraculously enough, to go to another newspaper and give an interview where they revealed this gift. Uh at the same time, which is as we call in the trade, trying to spike your story. Yes.
That's the decision that's the decision they made. Um, you know, w uh you'll know from from you know, y y you've put put in many a right of reply, I'm sure. in the it's i this is good practice, right? We as we as journalists we we we we go to people that are subject to a story and we ask them for their account, you know, um explanation of events. if there's any comment they might add, any context they might add, because you can get an piece of information as a journalist.
But that context that someone might be able to offer you can be absolutely critical. So it's a really important part of a reasonable, good, fair journalistic practice to do that. Um but it's it's tricky if people choose not to engage.
And he's accused you I think in this article Naja Farage or at least he's he's suggested he's intimates that this uh information that you've acquired has been obtained illegally. What do you say to that?
Well, I always act in accordance with our editorial code at The Guardian. Um we have very strong ethical practices here. Um it's very, very important to us that everything we do is above board and absolutely critically in the public interest. Um and so um I I I don't think that's quite correct.
Well and that we should talk about that public interest because obviously there are questions which we can maybe briefly come back to about the process and whether this should have been declared in some way or whether the parliamentary authorities should have known about it. But obviously there's the wider question, isn't there, which is that Harborn has become an enormous donor to reform itself and to the activities of reform. Millions and millions of pounds.
Likewise now we discover, thanks to your reporting, about this personal gift that has been given to Farage. Now Farage and Harborn, as you say, have absolutely denied that there is any connection. whatsoever to the donation. But it is true, isn't it, to say, that reform do have now, I think it's fair to say, the most crypto friendly policies of any of the UK parties, which is, as you said, just so happens to be, Christopher Harborn's business.
They they certainly have made an environment that's conducive to winning the business of the the global cryptocurrency industry a key part of their uh a key part of their their policy portfolio. Um they've written documents on um that are publicly available on what they sort of think the climate for crypto should should be like.
Um they um it it it should be noted that Christopher Harborn isn't their only donor that's got interest in cryptocurrency or the only way that they've expressed their interest in cryptocurrency. Nigel Farage has lent his face to um a campaign um to encourage people to invest in cryptocurrency that also involves the former chancellor Kwasi Kuateng
Um and um uh Ben Dalo um uh is uh another donor who has interest in cryptocurrencies. Um but um you know I'm not necessarily um suggesting certainly wouldn't be suggesting as a reporter that that that the sort of only reason that they might have interest in cryptocurrencies is because their donors have them. But I do think it's important that the public can see all of the information about um the financial interest
at play with any political party here. And that includes Reform UK. Because let's remember Nigel Farage has said that he thinks he's got a good shot of being the next Prime Minister of this country. And so I think it's really important to understand yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r
suppose it raises another question, doesn't it, Anna, which is that I mean Harborne as we say is given enormous money. Nine million in tw in twenty twenty five, um, which was the single biggest ever donation, as we've said, to any political party, and then an additional three million, so that's at least twelve. million over the course of a of a year or so. We've also got the five million given personally to
to Nigel Farage. I suppose some people might wonder, we talk about and often pride ourselves in British politics that we're not like American politics, that we limit the influence of of big money and big spending and big donors. It doesn't feel like that in this case, and perhaps it averts to the idea that I think some people might be surprised that there aren't tighter limits on what individuals can give to political parties.
Yes, so so in this country we have a sort of an overall cap on what a political party can spend in a given year, but no limit on what an individual can give. Um, and historically other parties have have always had sort of what you would call hero donors, so you have had donors that um have often been sort of maybe the biggest don they've given by way by far and away the biggest donation in any given year. Um for example we had Frank Hester with the Conservatives.
Um but I think what is m what is more unusual is is consist such consistently large sums. So you you might have seen the sort of level of of of donation cumulatively from a single individual over a period of years. um that would be similar to the level that you have seen with Christopher Harborn. Um but it is it is a it is clearly as as it's a record.
um it's clearly very unusual to have quite so much money coming from uh one individual. But yes, there are there are there is, as I understand it, no no limit to what an individual may give to a political party beyond the overall
And in terms of um In terms of that those donations. may well presumably not be the the limit of them. I mean this must be as you say, there are strict limits both in the short and long campaigns for political parties as to how much they can spend in any given seat and in any given campaign overall. But nonetheless, reform must be accumulating a significant war chest with regards to future elections just from these donations alone, which could keep on coming.
Yes, it's certainly well ahead of a pack, um, in terms of party political fundraising. Um and I think what's really important as a sort of interesting side effect perhaps of of this story is that, you know, Christophar Harborne's decision to
to go on the record and give this interview to the the telegraph prompted by our story is that he said he's really clear that he will find a way to continue to give more um and he also doesn't want any limits placed on people giving money when they're overseas.
So, um, as we know, um the the Prime Minister has talked about um uh trying to limit the amount of donations that comes for people who aren't living in the UK. Um and um Christopher Harbor said, um he he feels that he was the target of um Sakir's proposed legislation um banning foreign based citizens from donating to political parties and that he intends to um
He says w what to directly quote some he says where there's a will, there's a way. So he's certainly very clear that um He views it as a moral duty to support reform and to back them as much as possible. um um and to you know to find a way even if y you know it's it's not clear what ways he's he's quite identifying, but he's going to find find a way to make sure that he can continue to give very significant support financially to the party going.
¶ Farage's Politics: A Populist Paradox
And just on the private donation. I know that Suella Braverman today, who of course used to be a Conservative uh home secretary but has recently joined. Reform has said that Farage didn't need to declare the five million pound donation because it was private, she said. She said there's a very big distinction between what's your public duty, your public role and your private and this is before he was an MP for many years.
before that Nigel Farage has carried a high risk, which we've we've talked about. How does that relate to what the House of Commons conduct rules of conduct say and actually what the rules are?
Yeah. I think it's really important to know that um uh these these rules are ultimately aimed at, as I understand it, the spirit of them, the intention of them is is they're they're meant to offer people a clear impression of Any outside influence that might be brought to bear on a Member of Parliament. That's that's the spirit of um the register. Um, there are rules that state any benefit received by an MP in the twelve months before they become an MP. So it's quite an important thing to
understand um that it's it's not sort of you don't sort of start day one as an MP and then going forward that's the only information that matters. It it doesn't work quite like that. The twelve month period before you become an MP matters too.
Um they're meant to focus on things that could um politically influence you, so they're meant to be about sort of party political activity or other political activity. So it is correct to state that um some if if a gift is entirely personal um then it can be treated as um then it can be treated as private and you don't need to declare it.
But the the way the rules are written is it is it does say that that, you know, that can be quite a complicated um that can be quite a complicated decision for for an MP to make. So it's also about sort of the perception it's suggesting in the rules. It's saying, you know i you have to be really clear that there could be no suggestion associated with it that that it might be more than just a gift.
Um, so uh that's that's that's very important. It's uh I I'm just gonna read from it a bit. I know it's a bit tedious, but it's really important this wording. Um both the possible motive of the giver and the use to which the gift is to be put should be considered. If there is any doubt, the gift should be registered. So that's the bar we're talking about now in the context of this five million gift, because we know that the Conservative Party has referred it.
to um the parliamentary watchdog. So I think it will be really interesting to see whether or not that meets that bar of it being a a a private, purely personal gift. um that um Swell Bravman has um has mentioned.
Finally, just speaking a bit more generally, this reminds us of something, doesn't it, in terms of the kind of Rather kind of unique elixir that is Nigel Farage's politics and some of the paradoxes, or at least apparent paradoxes, behind it, because again, we see a party which um is a populist party. It has enormous appeal and support. particularly among um historically labour working class communities uh across the country, particularly in in in certain areas.
And yet again we see that in terms of its biggest donor, its biggest backer, possibly the most one the most important donor he might prove to be in British political history, we've got a tie base. incredibly wealthy man who makes his money in crypto, or at least some of his money in crypto, an industry about which the vast majority of the public has has has no idea.
and which is regulated in a rather shadowy way across the the world. Does remind us, doesn't it, that Nigel Farage is a complicated figure in terms of his politics and the sort of people who backs his party.
that probably slightly more in the statement category rather than question. But I think I think it's certainly um very interesting. to see um a politician who has built his career on being an extraordinarily effective campaigner um and um building what he has often described as grassroots campaigns. Um I think it's very interesting in that context and when you look at the evolution from the Brexit Party through to Reform UK that
Such a
a high level of dependency, as it were, should come from from one should be on one source, on one source of of donation, that it is that is the the sums are so large from one individual. I think that's um I think that's certainly very uh a very in interesting development in terms of how that party has evolved. Um um
I I think um Nigel Farage has ha is clearly often been uh someone that cuts through to the communities you describe. Um I do wonder, you know, whether or not the the n the sort of the news and detail day by day is is something that that will also cut through to those communities.
Anna Razip, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
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Well, we of course approached reform for comment. They told us this.
This was a personal, unconditional gift that was given before he was elected. We are confident everything has been declared in accordance with the rules. This gift was given when Nigel was retired from frontline politics. A while after the gift was given, Nigel confirmed he wouldn't stand at the next general election. He then reversed his decision to stand in June.
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