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Plane stupid: why MAGA loyalists hate Trump's Qatari gift

May 14, 202535 min
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This episode explores several contentious actions and proposals by Donald Trump. It examines his policy of welcoming white South African refugees, contrasting it with the broader immigration debate and the drastic suggestion to suspend habeas corpus amidst claims of an 'invasion.' The discussion also scrutinizes the ethical implications of Trump accepting a $400 million jet from Qatar, which critics and even some MAGA loyalists view as corruption. Finally, the podcast features an interview with Bryan Lanza, who defends Trump's economic policies and offers insights into the administration's approach to tariffs and inflation.

Episode description

Donald Trump's trip to the Gulf should have been accompanied by glowing headlines and fawning Fox coverage about the hundreds of billions of dollars secured in fresh investment into America from allies in the region. But there's one deal in particular that has riled friends and foes of the President: a $400m jet being gifted to Trump by Qatar. He's said he would be "stupid" to turn down the offer - critics have raised ethical, intelligence, and corruption concerns. Is the perception of a grift the ultimate gift for the Democrats?

Later, we speak to Bryan Lanza, a veteran of both the 2016 and 2024 Trump campaigns, about whether the White House should be feeling the heat over the tariff climbdown - and whether claiming there is a migrant "invasion" justifies suspending a thousand year old legal principle.

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Trump's White South African Refugee Policy

This is a global player original podcast. It's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't want to write about, but it's a terrible thing that's taking place and uh uh Farmers are being killed. But whether they're whi white or black makes no difference to me. But white farmers are being Brutally killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa and the newspapers and the media uh television media doesn't even talk about it.

Trump is talking about white South Africans, Africaners, that he is now welcoming to the United States. The only set of refugees that is welcome in the US is Trump accidentally decolonizing Africa as we speak. And the trouble is, the reason the T V and radio and print media haven't covered the genocide is there is no genocide. But as a symbol

Of where Donald Trump stands on these important issues of migration, of those people who need help, this tells us quite a lot. Welcome to the NewsAgency USA. It's John. It's Emily. And let's take you back to a scene at Dulles Airport on Monday evening when the first group around fifty. Sixty refugees, I feel weird even using that term, white South Africans, arrived in America to start.

A new future in the promised land, because Donald Trump has decided they are people facing terror near certain death. And he wants them in America. Yeah, it's a very far cry from Give Me Your Poor Your Huddled Masses yearning to breathe free, the poem at the bottom of the Statue of Liberty. So in January Sur Ramaposa, the South African president, signed a law into being that allowed the government to seize

privately owned land without compensation in certain circumstances when it deemed equitable and in the public interest. And it should be said that, you know, post apartheid South Africa. Still has a situation where until very recently, I think something like ninety-six percent of the public land in South Africa was owned by white people. Four percent owned by black, which is a huge disproportionate ownership by white South Africans.

And just to put this in context, why are we talking about white South Africans? Well, the White South Africans, as many of you will know are Africaners descended from the Netherlands and British both British and Dutch colonialists who essentially dominated South Africa through the system of apartheid

which was legalized discrimination, which didn't end until nineteen ninety four. That was the heralding, if you like, of the the beginning really of proper home domestic black rule for South Africans. and a way of saying enough of white colonial rule, which is why at the beginning I was kind of joking when I said that Trump is inadvertently decolonising Africa by offering these

White South Africans, descendants of colonialists, a place in America. So this law has been signed into act, but as so far, none of this land has been seized. Donald Trump talks about a genocide of Taking place. I mean I hate the use misuse of words like genocide for something that their evidence is scant in the extreme. He's using it, so you'll hate it. Yeah. Well, South Africa doesn't release crime figures as such based on race.

But the latest figures reveal that twelve people were killed in farm attacks. Of the twelve, one was a farmer, while five were farm dwellers and four were employees who are likely to have been black. So look, South African farms aren't crime free zones. But South Africa isn't a crime free zone. It has a very high murder rate, but to get from one farmer killed to a genocide is to put it mildly a huge leap. But what is it?

that has focused Donald Trump's mind in such a way on what is happening to a few dozen farmers white in South Africa. Could it have anything to do with one uh Elon Musk? Yeah. talks Trump through the Africa, the South Africa situation. I mean it feels like something that Trump has grabbed hold of because as you would say, it's the imprint of the sofa. The last thing he sat upon was probably comments from Elon Musk and he's now decided these people need help. I mean, I think there probably is

is something of a sort of fuck you in it, isn't it? You know, because he's now he's stopped all refugee admissions to the US, including applicants from war zones Twelve thousand people we understand are now stuck in limbo. They are stranded as a result of the doge efficiencies, whatever cut.

There's little group of white South Africans have been singled out specifically. I mean you think of all the Afghan who helped the US before the US pulled out so calamitously from Afghanistan, genuinely fleeing persecution and the threat of death because they worked with the Americans during and after the US invasion of Afghanistan and overthrowing the Taliban. You think of other countries where people are genuinely fleeing for their lives

They are not getting anywhere close to this. This is all being done. And Cyril Ramaposa, the President of South Africa, has made it absolutely clear that under no circumstances do any of these people fit refugee status.

Immigration, Deportation, and Habeas Corpus

But this is a dog whistle, and you know, don't let the facts get in the way of the story. Because this will play well in right wing media On all the talk shows. It's a real interesting question, isn't it? All those people who are big MAGA fans, who hate refugees and who hate people coming to the US to seek asylum because they don't think that America should be doling out the cash anymore. It should be America first. What are they say now? Uh nothing.

No. No. These are white South Africans. Except interestingly, one resettlement agency that we've heard about who is affiliated with a church. has now said it will not help resettle the Africaners as required under its federal grants. In other words, they don't want to be spending their hard earned, sort of charitable money on this resettlement. And I think they're saying no. I mean it's interesting to know how many other church related bodies or resettlement bodies are willing to stand up to

the Trump administration, this church has said it's gonna terminate its four decade old partnership with the government this according to the Atlantic, um, because the Bishop of the Church, who is Sean Rowe, has said it's crossed a moral line. All this At the same time as you are seeing America take whatever steps it thinks it can get away with.

To deport people from the country. And you look at again at the l ongoing route about what is happening to these people who are being taken to the Supermax prison in El Salvador. And he was the guy from Maryland who had leave to remain in the United States, has been found guilty of no

Criminal conviction. He literally has no conviction and they've deported him and they've been told by the Supreme Court to get him back and they still haven't. Yes. So the Supreme Court said you have to facilitate his return. To which the administration goes, Yeah. Maybe not. Yeah, maybe. Maybe not.

No ti not any time soon. And Donald Trump, you know, has in an interview said, Yeah, I probably could pick up the phone and get him back which is not what he was saying. He was saying, Well, it's out of my control, it's up to the El El Salvadorians whether they release him or not. The US administration is being ambivalent on this, you could say downright disingenuous.

about it, but they are still pursuing every means possible to deport people who may not have criminal convictions, but we just suspect you of being a wrong and

and nasty with bad tattoos and wearing bad baseball caps or whatever it happens to be. I mean the whole question of the deportation of people like Kilmaro Bregacia or indeed people who have been rounded up now on campuses and disappeared for want of another word, is playing into a description that is now starting to emerge from the Trump administration of

America being invaded, America being under invasion from immigrants, from people who wish it harm, from people who are coming to do it damage. And that is leading some figures Stephen Miller, a top White House adviser. to talk about ending what we call habeas corpus. Habeas corpus is essentially the right to challenge one's detention. So if I am arrested, I can only be held

for, you know, up to twenty four hours or forty eight hours without actually being charged with a crime. After that time, they have to let me go. I mean this is part of the rule of law that goes back not just th through the US constitution, but through our own unwritten constitution, right back to, you know, the Magna Carta, right? And right now you've got Miller and others. Talking about the need to suspend this Once we've got these five These fuckers we're not gonna let them go.

Listen to this. Well the Constitution is clear, and that of course is the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of the written of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion. So I would say that's an option we're actively looking at. Look a lot of it depends on On whether the court should do the right thing or not. So when was the last time that Habias Corpus was suspended in the United States of America? So it was in Hawaii after Pearl Harbor.

It was suspended in the 19th century during efforts to fight the Ku Klux Klan, and it was also suspended by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. These are huge seismic events. that lead to people questioning the right as as I think, you know, Tony Blair did. Do you remember in sort of two thousand seven, two thousand and eight?

over detention of of terrorist suspects. This was after bombings in London, etcetera. And so yeah, there are cases where you say, hang on a second, we need to have more tools at our disposal. But the fact that Trump is talking about or the Trump administration is talking about doing this now. I think is starting to allow people to say they really don't have much care for the rule of law, for human rights, for the architecture, the furniture.

that keeps America on its axis right now. The laws exist to uphold A free liberal democracy in America. And as we've discussed on the podcast before. Some of what you're doing and th there are very clever lawyers involved in this and Stephen Miller won't have said that without having had legal counsel give him advice on whether we can what would the precedents be and you've just listed where they are.

to do something that is pretty drastic. I mean these are not you know, here we are sitting talking in May twenty twenty five. There is nothing to equate to Pearl Harbor. to the Ku Klux Klan to the American Civil War. This is why I think the language is so interesting. As soon as you start saying America's under attack it allows you to change the rules in ways that wouldn't be possible otherwise.

So this whole question of, you know, taking over Canada as as the fifty first state, you know, America's under attack from Fentanyl, which does not cross the border from Canada. America's under attack from Mexico. America's under attack from illegal invasion. there was even the the whole deportation which was, you know, pulled out this eighteen sixty seven law or whatever, which is, you know, alien invasion, America's under attack. As soon as you suggest

that America is actually facing war or facing existential danger. Yeah, guess what? You're allowed to do a lot of other things that you wouldn't be able to. And so what the administration is trying to do It's absolutely clear. Is it doesn't want to do something which people can like us can then turn around and say, Oh my god, you are flouting the US Constitution. What you're doing It's going round the back. It's going round the back way to find any legal mechanism whatsoever.

That will allow you to do something like that. That in normal times most people would think, You what? You can't do that. Yeah. And they are trying to get away with But it's such a hard thing to talk about because, you know, who's got the time to sort of sit down and understand the Latin scorpion. Yeah and the ramifications. Exactly. That's what I mean. Holding on to the body. Exactly. Nobody's gonna look at this in a sort of

The Qatari Jet Gift Controversy

very detailed, very sort of aghast way, you know, hands on ears sort of thing. But I think what people are looking at right now is a much sort of shinier version of a bending of the rules. And that is coming this week. in the shape of an IC 747 Jumbo Jet offer, gift, bribe, whatever you like, half a billion dollars worth of plain To Trump from the Qataris. That will, according to reports out today, have to be retrofitted to make it secure, to debug it.

To make it viable as an Air Force One presidential plane and that will take Three years. There are many in Trump's own party, and there are many Republicans actually, commentators who've said Don't do it. Don't accept the plane. Like can't America make its own planes? Trump has, we should say, in brackets

said that he'll take the blame with him when he leaves office. Oh that's convenient. Yeah, it's good. I mean, you know, when the Statue of Liberty was given by the French to Grover Cleveland, I don't remember him saying, Oh, I'll have that for my back garden afterwards. Is that okay? Is that all right, everyone? But Trump is basically saying it's essentially Only a stupid person would be Let's just listen to him.

The plane that you're on right now is almost 40 years old. And when you land and you see Saudi Arabia and you see UAE and you see Qatar and you see all these and they have these brand new Boeing 747s mostly, and you see ours next. next to it. This is like a totally different plane. It's much smaller, it's much less impressive, as impressive as it is. And you know, with the United States of America, I believe that we should have the most impressive plane. So so what he hasn't told you there

Is y yeah, he's right. The plane is forty years old, but they've already commissioned two new Air Force One planes. He thinks that they're dragging their feet, they won't be ready in time. These planes should be ready, we understand, according to Boeing, within the next two years. So there is the potential for him to take possession of two new Air Force One planes. And a year later to receive the Qatari one which has then been remodeled and debugged

Three planes in three years. It's so revealing in terms of character and terms of personality that he hates the idea that he's landing. At an airport. In a ship lane. Those buses there look I've got this old rust bucket and you know. It's like when you don't want to c collect your suitcase from the conveyor belts, like oh leave that. And it is a it's a very old plane. It really is. And you know, sitting at the back of that plane, as I have done

On a number of occasions. There's nothing glamorous about I mean, but that was Donald Trump talking in the luxuriously appointed office at the front of Air Force One. But it's ridiculous. I mean

Nothing says draining the swamp like taking a four hundred million dollar gift, does it? I mean it makes our politicians who've had the old Taylor Swift ticket look like absolute bloody amateurs of the bigger. But I think this is this is really interesting because I think the Democrats are loving this particular chapter because

They can point to Trump and sort of shout at the top of their lungs, Don't you see what a grifter he is? Don't you see how corrupt he is? Don't you see what he's doing with his cryptocurrency? Don't you see what he's doing with his business deals? I mean, right now he's in

Saudi and no one can quite work out w whether this is a geopolitical tour or a business tour because for Trump it's all pretty much the same thing. And a lot of these questions about constitutional rights, about legal rights don't stick. But the question of corruption, I think, does. I think that really sticks in the craw of American people. And suddenly you've got this. Image of a plane, you know, you cannot miss. a sort of big gold Qatari gift of a plane, to make their point.

that Trump doesn't really divide between his own household and the state, between his sort of role as head of the family and his role as head of the nation. It's all part of the same thing, which is why For Democrats looking in on this, they're like, Okay, do you get this now? Do you get the level of corruption that this man sits at the top of? But Emily, you and I have just travelled a very long distance in the first ten minutes of this podcast where we started off

talking about white South African farmers and we're now talking about the gift of a plane and actually there is something that links them all. Because the MAGA crowd that are very unhappy about it are saying, What are you doing? Not just accepting a gift, but accepting a gift. From the Qataris. There are those people on the right of MAGA who've been deeply critical, broken cover for the first time. I mean the influencer Laura Luma, who describes the Qatari royal family as jihadists in suit.

And there are others like the podcast the Ben Shapiro as well who have been chiming in on this. The Trump administration is now preparing to accept a super luxury Boeing seven forty seven eight jumbo jet from the royal family of Qatar. It is a four hundred million dollar gift. Available for use by President Trump as new Air Force One until shortly before he leaves office.

At which time, according to the deal, the plane doesn't stay with the United States government. It then moves to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation, taking sacks of goodies from people who support Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Jazeera, all the rest of the. That's not America first. Like please define America first in a way that says you take you should take sacks of cash from the Qatari royals who are behind Al Jazeera.

It just isn't America first in any conceivable way. So back to the original question is this good for President Trump? Is it good for his agenda? Is it good for draining the swamp and getting things done? The answer is no, it isn't. And that's Ben Shapiro, who is a hundred percent

on the right, on the MAGA side, behind Trump saying no. I mean, whether you think there is Islamophobia behind it or racism behind it, or or a whole mixture of things, he happens on this particular issue to be kind of right where the Democrats are and right where I guess moderate America would be. And in a moment we'll be back with Brian Lanza, instrumental in the Trump campaign of twenty four, of sixteen, on Jumbo Jets, on habeas corpus, and a lot more besides.

Interview: Bryan Lanza on Jet & Tariffs

USA with Emily Maitless. And John Soport. We're joined now by Brian Lanza, Senior Advisor to the Trump 2024 campaign and deputy communications director on the Trump 2016 campaign. So you've been around for quite some time. I wonder whether we could start with a jumbo jet. Would you take a jumbo jet worth four hundred million dollars? No, I listen, I wouldn't take a jumbo jet well, first of all, if I were president of the United States, I would certainly not take a jumbo jet individually.

Yeah, if I were a a business executive and a business partner I was doing business with offered me the jet, I would absolutely take it. Wouldn't you think there might be something they wanted in return? Well, like I said, there's a distinction. As a business person, you know, there's absolutely something they want in return. They want a partnership, they want a friendship. You know, as a president it's something completely different. I I don't have a problem with the US government.

seeking claim to this gift as they do with other gifts. I do have a problem with President Trump using the gift. That obviously I do, but you know, I'm in the international business community all the time and gifts are oftentimes exchanged. I'm often struck by Donald Trump has a brilliant sense of where public mood is and where the gut feeling of Americans is. And yet on this one he seems to have it wrong. This doesn't pass the smell test.

And he's struggling to sell it. You know, he's uh and sure. I mean I y listen, it is pretty clear that people have problems with this jet. People within his own party have spoken out in that uh

But uh like I said, I don't have a problem with him taking the jet and sticking it in a museum like they do with other gifts. I have a problem with actually using it. I mean, first let's go through the various issues you talk about. You know, you talk about the the implication of of of conflict of interest.

you know, it's much easier to govern when you don't have that implication. That said, the minute Donald Trump took office the very first time, even the minute before he got elected the first time, you already had the media buzzing around and saying conflict of interest exists when it didn't exist. So that argument, you know, eight years later is supremely devalued because of how the media exaggerated Trump's previous conflicts of interest.

Brian, give us your sense. Um you've been right at the heart of the campaign up till now, and we're four months in. It's been quite a chaotic few weeks. Do you have your head in your hands at this point when you look at what has happened with his tariffs plan, when you look at how badly that's gone down for ordinary Americans. When you look at what's happening on the world stage uh with China and with people who were once allies. I'm just

Curious to know whether you're you're on the phone and you're kind of like dialing up and trying to pull him back from the brink. Yeah, listen, I I think I've learned being around, you know, Trump Trump campaign since twenty fourteen, you know, there's no dialing him back. He is who he is. I think my job is to sort of interpret what he's actually saying. I think we've seen in the first term that the rhetoric oftentimes doesn't match the policy.

And that's, you know, when when I advise people on how to navigate in Washington, I often tell them, ignore the rhetoric. It's what the media wants to focus on. It's the scandalous things. But at the end of the day, that's very rarely becomes the policy that comes into play. And so you know, there are sometimes, you know, I I you know I wish we didn't you know have unforced errors.

Right. I I don't think the tariff discussion was an unforced era because if you look at where look at the numbers that just came out with respect to inflation yesterday, right? Well those don't count the tariffs. I mean to be fair, Brian, those don't you know, we're too close.

understood the effect that the tariffs nonsense will have on those inflation figures. I I'm just gonna disagree. Donald Trump's been talking about tariffs since day one. So how can it not be calculated? You've had already markets adjust. So I yeah, I understand the talking point that the media like says those haven't been counted, but Donald Trump has been talking about terror.

since very day one. We've applied tariffs since day one and what's happened with the inflation number. It's gone down. The other way of looking at that is he's sort of brought in his numbers end of March, April and All we've seen is the fact that he doesn't actually follow through on anything he says. I mean

this time that we started taking Trump literally and not seriously. In other words, he does say things and he does bring them in, but he's not serious and they don't work and then he has to roll back and pretend it was all part of the plan. We've seen this Over and over again. This is a policy.

This is a policy. A hundred and forty five percent tariffs on China. That was a policy. Sure, and the pol and yeah, and they've sat down and they've had a you know initial discussions that they made the determination to lower those tariffs. He blinked. Yeah, I'm not doing it. Since Donald Trump has been in office, you know, both his first term and his second term now, he's increased 50% tariffs on Chinese imports coming to the United States.

Secondly, what has the Chinese done? At the end of the day, they blink too. They've only increased 10% tariffs on products going into China. So you can call it a blink, but a mathematical equation says Donald Trump has put more tariffs on China since he's been in office than the Chinese has put on the president. uh at least on the United States. That's mass.

Whether you want to call it blinking or not, you have to sort of look at the result. Look at the result of where he is today as we're supposed to this terrif conversation. Inflation rates today are lower than they ever were during Joe Biden. Ever. Period. Okay, so you're you're saying it is down to Donald Trump that inflation has fallen. What about the GDP figures that came out sort of two weeks ago? Are they down to where you th the US economy shrank?

By point three percent. Yeah, it it shrank, but let's be clear what we're saying. What you in the media are saying is that it's the first you know, it's the first step of a recession. Listen, I know we tried to define what a recession was during Joe Biden to prop up his his his horrible economy, but a recession is two negative growth quarters. That hasn't happened here. That hasn't happened. No, no, of course. But the warning about the dangers of recession

It's not me or Emily saying it, it is the biggest banks on Wall Street saying it. It is the biggest yesterday they revised and said the recession's now down to thirty five percent chance. Because he's rolled back on the tariff. I mean Brian, I mean But let's have a clear picture. In his first term he never rolled back on the tariffs and and the economy still grew in spite of what Wall Street said prediction. So I mean I I understand, you know, we put a lot of emphasis on Wall Street predictions.

But all we have to do is point to f you know, I guess eight years ago, where Wall Street got it wrong with respect to President Trump's tariffs. What actually took place in spite of everything that Wall Street said and the panic that it caused, what happened in the United States?

You had the biggest growth economy in every sector in the demographic and very much weight on Wall Street at this point. Wall Street does a good job of making money while the middle class gets screwed. So I'm very cautious when we would say Wall Street.

Trump's Economic Defense and Advisors

So Brian, I was in Macomb County the other week for Donald Trump's rally to mark his hundred days. And I was struck by the by kind of the low turnout. how worried, anxious people were who were turning up to the rally about what was going to happen to uh the cost of living, what was going to happen to their four hundred one Ks as a result of the tariffs policy. Yeah. And where are we today?

Those 401ks that had concern have been refilled. The stock market today is at a higher number today than when he took office. Inflation is at a lower rate today than when he took office. The price of eggs is at a lower price today than when he took office. The price of gas is at a lower price today when he took office. The real concerns that the American people have with affordability. It appears to me that Donald Trump

seems to be on the mark in spite of your you know the tariff scare that everybody wants to put forward. And where are we today with the tariff scare? We have an off ramp that's actually gonna lead to another growing economy. So I guess we're all focused on saying he capitulated, he blinked, he did all these things. No, I don't think they walked away with a number of during his term he's increased tariffs.

You know, fifty pr you know by fifty points. Isn't the point that your administration, that entire government, has been saved by Scott Bessant, has been saved by the man who has been telling Trump that he cannot go ahead with his craziness. Otherwise he's gonna tank the US economy. And if Trump has done one thing brilliantly, it's hire Scott Bessant, the man who is actually keeping America on the rails right now, because without him, Trump would be a basket case.

Yeah, listen, I wouldn't say Trump would be a master case. You would still be looking for President Trump to try to reindustrialize the United States and at that particular moment he thought terrorist policies were gonna work. We're witnessing. I wish we wouldn't witness it in real time. I wish it was a classroom discussion more than anything else.

an academic theory how to re-industrialize the United States. And that theory in real time hit, you know, real world application with Elon Musk with Scott Bessant. And now we know the theory doesn't work.

You know, and what do what do leaders what do business leaders do? They move on. They don't But don't claim it as a victory, for Christ's sake. I mean, don't claim the fact that he nearly tanked the economy and he was saved from doing it. But don't don't shoot it as a loss because you just have to define it by the numbers, right?

Fifty percent tariffs increase on on China since President Trump's been office. The Chinese have only reciprocated with ten percent. Eggs are lower today, inflation's lower today, gas is lower today. You know, how do you define victory, I guess? Well I suppose if okay, to that simple question and you put it in the China context, China has made zero concessions. on anything in terms of its manufacturing practice of what it will do and what it won't do.

And Donald Trump has reduced the tariffs from one hundred and forty five percent down to thirty percent. And you know, I heard it yesterday from someone who's very been very closely involved that Donald Trump talks the talk. He doesn't walk the walk when it comes to it.

Yeah, we'll have to wait and see. He talked to Trump in it he talked he walked the talk, whatever you want to use it in his first term with respect to tariffs. He talked about it being aggressive to China and he walked away with four trade deals. that by every measurement nobody, I suspect including yourselves, ever thought was possible. And so I think it's too soon. You know, we're we're month five into a four year administration.

They think you gotta give it time. But what we see now based on numbers, right? You know, that he's four oh one K is higher today than it was when he took office. Not by much, but it is. But all the numbers are indicating that this is leading in the right direction.

Bryan Lanza on Habeas Corpus & Border

Brian, can I change the subject slightly? Time to talk Latin or at least get your thoughts on the question of suspending habeas corpus. It's a kind of formal way of talking about the right to challenge one's detention. In other words, to hold people against their will or to hold people without actually charging. Do you think that Stephen Miller, who has said He's gonna challenge Habeas Corpus now.

I mean listen, I'm gonna let the courts decide that. They ultimately always decide these things. But I certainly see the frustration of President Trump with the interference of the courts. I mean the good news is is you had a court yesterday out of Pennsylvania that validated President Trump. using the alien act for these these deportations. So I listen, I I think I don't want to suspend habeas corpus, but I wanna be clear what's taking place at the border was an invasion.

And they're manipulating our laws. These illegal aliens are manipulating our laws to try to stay in the United States longer. And they have no standing. And you know, when when Stephen Miller talks about suspending habeas corpus, He talks about suspending it not for law abiding citizens, not for people who came to this country. He's talking about suspending it only for illegal aliens who have no right to be here. You talk about the your frustration at the interference of the court.

Aren't the courts just upholding the law? Isn't that what courts do? Sure, but I I think if you look at what and it's not just Republicans who's criticized the courts over the years, it's also been the Democrats. The Democrats have that criticized the courts in taxes. They've often said when they're doing these appeals they should not be, you know, them extending nationwide bans.

while that decision's being decided is not fair. So when I say that, I affirm what Democrats have believed for a long time and I'm affirm what Republicans believe. The courts have a role, but they don't have a role to put a blanket ban You know, while these things are taking place in one jurisdiction. That decision should be left to the Supreme Court.

Yeah, I I would ultimately. You know, I I have young kids. I see the neighborhoods, how they're impacted by these illegal aliens who are who are criminal elements. Uh you know, they wouldn't be here if it weren't for them breaking our laws to get here. Yeah, I I would call it an invasion. Is it

Is it a military invasion? I don't think it's a military invasion, but it is invasion. You know, a vast majority of criminals coming to the United States to inflict harm here. They're not coming here for good reasons. I ask'cause habeas corpus as as you know has only been suspended four times in US history. and notably during the civil war under Abraham Lincoln. So I'm just trying to work out whether you think

You think that that is the place that America is now, essentially a kind of an i an invasion or a civil war. We're we're not anywhere near a civil war. But any time you have around nine million people crossing your borders in a four year window illegally, you know.

Humorous Concluding Remarks

I'm comfortable calling it an innovate. Brian Lanza, thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much indeed. The News Agents USA with Emily Maitland. And John Sopor. A businessman, very, very, very top guy. Most of you would have heard of him. A highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, uh seriously overweight. And he takes the fat the fat shot drug

And he called me up and he said, Uh President he calls me pre he used to call me Donald, now he calls me president, so that's nice respect. But he's a rough guy, smart guy. Very successful, very rich. I wouldn't even know how we would know this, but because he's got comments. President, could I ask you a question? What? I'm in London. And I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. I said it's not working. They said he said I just paid eighty eight dollars.

And in New York I pay thirteen hundred dollars. What the hell is going on? So with friends like these, Donald, president, who needs any so it's lovely fat he's so neurotic. Yeah. It's lovely to hear about Donald Trump's fat friends.

um, who are full of respect. But actually Trump has kind of latterly cottoned onto something, which is guess what? People love it when you lower the price of drugs. Which was exactly what Joe Biden did. He got rid of the patent on about fifteen different drugs for Americans.

insulin, you know, the diabetes drug being won, and they completely loved it. And Trump's like, Oh, okay, that was kinda quite a good idea. But I'm really worried listening to that clip of Donald Trump that actually what we could see now Bald brick and are getting on planes to go to Istanbul, to get hair transplants

We're gonna have an invasion of fat Americans. An alien invasion Americans who are buying their resemple. Taking our fat drugs. Taking our fat drugs and getting away with it. We've got to put a stop to it. And they'll all be Tiny once they get the plane home. We'll see you next week. Bye bye. Global Player Original Party.

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