Speaker Paul Ryan

Mr. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, is pushing a tax plan that could be a legacy-defining achievement or a political disaster. Mr. Ryan spoke with Carl Hulse about his plan to get it through Congress, his evolving relationship with President Trump and the lessons he learned waiting tables at a restaurant across from the Capitol.

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