the mutton sandwich podcast. Alright, welcome to the mutton sandwich podcast. This is where we use it as an excuse martin to catch up with our famous friends. That's right. And we have quite a few we've made over the years that we've been on radio and there's one friend that, that we're going to chat with today, that that kinda, you know, I'd like to give credit to the men responsible for putting the two of us together. Today is one is special because if not for him, there
would be no mountains in the morning. Exactly. But we'll get to that story in just a while. Mark Richmond, How are you?
Hello? Hey
man, you haven't seen it for a long time. Exactly. It's been a while. It's been a while. How's the how's the family first of all,
family is good. All of them um negative in terms of covid, positive attitude. That's very good. I don't like this covid stuff and all that kind of, you know, because I mean, I'm Eurasian already a minority and now I'm one of the few who don't have covid as well. So I'm also minority. I think this minority report going on, which I
don't like. Welcome to the club. Actually, all three of us so far so far, I haven't I haven't had a choice. Choice, choice, choice, choice. Sorry. Speaking of family? Just digress before we we we talk to you about you, you know, did I see on facebook that your son is now a pro golfer?
No, he's not a pro golfer. If he's a pro golfer or whatever retired. really.
Uh
No, no he's not, I mean he is uh an enthusiastic golfer, I think that I call him a high performance golfer, so he's probably, I think by the end of the year he might be pursuing golf at a higher level, but to call him a pro golfer at 15 years old, I know he's not there, he's not even close to that yet, but he does work very hard,
he dreams of
becoming a pro pro golfer, but I think vernon will know that vernon and I also used to have dreams together and all that and here we are.
Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, sometimes dreams don't come true, but but but you know at least at least the little man taking after the dad who in case you didn't know this martin Mark is a very good golfer. Yeah, so there you go, following in the footsteps. I'm just saying this in comparison because I mean we were we were there when when Saul was born and now he's so accomplished. Is he taller than you? Yeah,
He's 15 years old, he's 1.86 m. Remember that time we used to be able to carry him in one hand and the size of your arm. Right? Yeah, and all that, not everything, I mean a better golfer than me and you almost taller than me. So you, your Ego is almost shot down. I don't even want to know you know what's between the legs and
as well, but those are the words of a proud daddy,
you know, Exactly. Um obviously got something right there, so yeah, fantastic. It's, it's nice to see saw growing up to be a better man, so a better man than yeah, I was about to be a better man than all of us, but yeah, you've been out of the industry for, for quite a while now, I mean, you know everybody, you know, when you mentioned the name Mark Richmond, you know, everybody immediately thinks, oh yeah, you know the radio DJ who's, who's had a very illustrious career in radio coming from
a radio superstar dad as well, and, and not just following in the footsteps, but you know, being on par with your dad as well. And then all of a sudden you decided, okay, I'm done with radio and I'm going to move on to something else. So, so for the less initiated, let's let's talk about what you did after the radio and where you are right now man,
where I am right now is I'm running away from the law and trying to find
I, so
I'm hiding in a cave, but actually, I mean, like, I think that I came to a point where I just felt, you know, and I usually follow my heart and I just felt that, you know, I fell out of love with radio. Unfortunately, I hate to say this because you know, when I first joined, I mean, in terms of the, those red infusion days and all that, it was a device that I absolutely love that because it got me in touch with people and got me
getting to know people a little bit better. But I think that I just fell out of love with it. I mean, I didn't fall out of love with my sports commentaries. That's why I'm still doing it until today. So after after radio, I think that what happened was that I also had, um and you guys know this, you know, I had a son was newly born and I wanted something stable and my, so that my wife could pursue her very own dreams as well of being a director and an actress. So I decided to take
on full time jobs. I joined the youth olympic games and then after that I set up my own company for a while and after the company uh, which is now under my wife's care, I joined the Sports Singapore, the old sports council. So I've been a public servant after radio until today. I, and I think that stability was needed in the family to ensure. And then my son of all things had to choose the product of sports by saying, I want to play golf. So,
I
know exactly, I mean, it's like why can't you just pick something else? Like, you know, can't you just do running running is like just change your shoes like
Once every three months, I
must you choose goal where the clubs alone cost that much. A country club cost that much, but he chose it in the end. And then that, that's how we, we ended up needing a lot more stability in our lives. And I think as well that I saw the industry change, I could never be the modern DJ that a lot
of you require this day and age as well. I belong to the old school DJs where I could just go on the mic and speak to people and I, and I look at people like both of you, you know, I mean the good jobs that you guys are doing, especially the personality that you have acquired as a duo altogether. And I was looking at myself and saying that, I don't think I was able to do that without still having to do the traffic news and everything else that comes along with it.
So, um, it was, it came to a point as well of self realization that, okay, I might have passed this boat already and this boat has shifted to a different direction altogether. It's more personality driven device and medium these days and perhaps it's something that I wasn't comfortable doing as well. And that's the reason why I left it.
Oh well, I mean you don't, don't, you want to come back because now every day you're to film a Tiktok. Yeah, yeah, man, surely, surely, surely, you know how to do that. Mark loves dancing and I don't know. But honestly, you know, since you brought it up, my friend, you know, I've known Mark since I was in secondary school, so that's how far relationship dates back. But but you know, over the years becoming colleagues and then working under Mark's
tutelage and it's been a long road. And this man, like I said, when we started this podcast is responsible for putting the two of us together. So, so let's let's talk about the chronology, let's talk about the rational or irrational behind behind that, putting Justin and myself as much as sir stamford raffles. Since the Singapore, Mark Richmond is the martins in the morning, because the year was 2005. Ladies and gentlemen, where a 23 year old boy just joined Perfect 10, the grizzled veteran,
vernon a was there at the station as well. And then we were doing different shifts, were doing different shows, right? I was doing lunch, you were doing evenings, evenings, and then Mark Richmond would take over as program director of the station and make some changes, you know, shift people around as happens in radio all the time. And one day you set us down and said, okay, you and you you're doing the morning show together,
explain that strange psychotic decision. Why did you decide that these two fellas, I don't even think we've asked you this, you know, so now we're on, on, on, on record, you know, what made you decide to put these two people 10 years age difference together to do a radio show drugs? I knew it, I knew too much Panadol is bad for you guys, I
took too much Panadol and
what a buzz! Oh my God! Oh, to be, to be honest with
You, when I first took over 987, and I mean, you guys are probably the The best thing that I did down there, I mean, when I first took over 987, I was personally a huge fan of VErnon, I've worked with Vernon before, I just feel that he's got all the tools of being a perfect international radio DJ, not just Singapore Radio DJ, ah and then I first heard Justin, of course, on 987, I mean, like, I know he was on another station before that, but I I hadn't heard him on the other station, so
I first heard him all night, and I just thought that, you know,
he
needed all the help, so, and I slipped him some kind of, after pairing you guys up, I think vernon was the one who needed the most Anyway, I mean, I just felt that, you know, because I've worked with before, I knew that he was a great partner to have, I knew that he had very little ego and that he would make things work, you know, uh, and then, you know, and basically with partnerships, you just got to find two people with very little ego to come together and to people who really want
to make it work. So, you know, and that's when the other management has asked me, he said that, you know what you plan to do with Justin and vernon, alright? And I said plan to pair them up together and all of them scratch their heads, and
so
I said, no, let's let's give it some time. All right. I know that the energies of these two guys are totally different, but they'll meet halfway because they don't have the egos, and I just sat down with you guys and then it started with the show and then it started with me sitting down with you and saying that you guys, I think that you need a bit of a, a little bit of a signature somewhere and all that.
And then of course you came in the next morning and you both have bleached hair and I was like,
that's not what I what the hell I
mean? Like, you know, I think that what I really, really liked about your show, whether it was the morning or the evening that you went to a little bit later, was just the fact that, you know, you guys had a lot of, uh, had a lot of, you know, I mean, it's like just the fact that you were willing to put it out there as a show that was rather in the slapstick side and you know, that some people are going to like it, Some people are not.
I think that's fantastic. And that's something that was very refreshing for radio because for a long while, I mean, it's like, especially on that radio station that we're talking about 987 if we just played it very, very safe and it was something that wasn't safe, there was something that was out there and it was either you like it or you didn't like it at all, and you guys were both willing to be the ones who weren't liked, but I did promise
you as well. I said, no, stick to it, and after about two or three years people get used to it and who knows, you might get a lot of people actually, you know, putting you guys together and you get a lot more endorsement deals that you have now, and I certainly hope that you have had over the years and it's great to see the success that you've had, and that was
the fact that you've actually stuck to each other. That's um, it was kind of worried that in my mind at that time, so I just hope these two guys would stick together. And of course my wife said, yeah, of course they would means like, what else do they have? She said? I was like, oh,
I I
think that was probably the best, the best thing that I've made because I just it was really of a feeling of a feeling that it was something that could work and something that could be long term. Ah and look how long this has been. It's like, it's almost 20 years already, my goodness, you guys almost 20 years already.
Yeah, I don't know, like, like, like your wife be interested then, you know, we have nothing else. Right? Exactly. I think, I think I think we are now the longest running preparing Yeah, in radio, you know, it's it's been that long. So we just want to take this opportunity to say
thank you again. Yeah, exactly. Well, if we've never gotten to say thank you before, I mean, you know, really it sometimes we sit down and we we we think about the whole journey that we've been through and all that, right? And the couple of the people who are involved in and obviously you're the main man, man, you you actually put this crazy show together and look where it's taken us right now and valentine's day coming.
So expect some flowers in the mail and chocolates, but it will be melted and half eaten because this fellow likes the half eaten part. I believe you've
never given me
anything yet. Yeah, I apologize for that, but no thanks, thank you again. Thank you again. But let's let's talk about, let's talk about your journey. Let's talk about radio first because you know, you were such a big part of radio for so many years again. You know, if if not for you, there wouldn't be us. But you yourself did a lot of very iconic radio programs. You had many different partners and all that. I believe you you you did all the Big three, right?
You did 987, You did class, You did gold,
right? Yeah, I did all the
Big You did all the Big Three, which which was your favorite part of it?
Yeah, I if you think about it, I probably did the Big five, if you ask me because it was there was also ready fusion and I started at the old radio one as well. That's how,
you
know, that used to be a canteen there beside the radio station and you know, it started out. Yeah, so um I would say that if you ask me, I would say probably 987, perfect 10. Because you know, the energy of the team then was just absolutely brilliant. We had a really good boss Florence again and then, you know, we had no lights of like Bernard Glenn joined us later but hubert tang and gang, but I mean the energy of the team was just unbelievable.
We worked really hard, but we played just as hard, probably played even harder. We hung out with one another.
We really liked each other's company. We partied with one another all day long and a lot of times, I think that we made that mistake as well when we went into management people like Bernard and myself to try to recreate that same sort of atmosphere and energy within teams, but people change and moved along and I had a conversation with Bernard as well, so we, we can't replicate what we had ever again, We just were lucky that, you know, we actually got together and liked each other
and I think that there was a sense of freedom, not just in the way that we, you know, we were off air, but even on air as well, Florence gave us as long as we knew the boundaries and we knew the lines that were drawn in playground, she gave us the um you know, choice and also the license to play by the edges and that's why we had a lot of DJs with different personalities and you know, also for her, for her is like, you know, I, I used to, you know, be part of this and join this like
freestyle rapping competitions and all that, and I told her, I said, would you mind if I throw down a few bars and she's like, yeah, sure go ahead, you know, and probably in her mind, she said later on, she was thinking of like different kind of bars and all that kind of stuff, I thought that was for her or something
like that, you know,
sorry man, it's just wrapping
right?
I could rap about the traffic and the weather and all that kind of stuff and it was fine as well. So I think that we were allowed to, I mean, it's like, even though it's like personality driven, we were also reminded to do the normal thing every day, which is to give them the news, the weather. And I think at the end of it, a bit of it all is that we always realized at the end of the day that we worked for
the listeners, we never worked for ourselves. So I think that that was still based on my beliefs in radio, which I liked very much I had fun doing it. So I think that my time at 987 was probably the best um if you asked me who my best partner was on radio, I would say your current partner Justin because vernon and I mean, we had a lot of, we had a very, but so we had a lot
of fun. I mean, we the same thing, we broke all the rules, it's like, you know, when we first sat down together and we said, let's let's just go on and and fight.
I
think vernon knows that, you know, and so it became so stupid and so silly that, you know, and then we used to read all these listeners complaints and said that, you know, okay. And you guys stop fighting and it's like no end up like I'm telling, turning around the burden and saying, see that it's your fault and your
fault. It
was that sort of thing. And, and, and, and that's how I knew as well, that burden was, was a person that was makes a very, very good radio DJ partner and I knew that, you know, you guys could work. I think that he was, he was my favorite partner because all along we could just, you know, call out with one another and say, okay, let's do this right now. And we picked it up straight away and it was, we used our years more than we
used our mouths. I know that DJs were always told, you gotta use your voice, you gotta use your mouth. But I think as partners, the years are more important than the mouth and that's what happened then. Mhm.
Yeah, I know, you know, I remember feeling a bit short changed and almost gutted actually when, when they told us that, you know, you and Mark can't do the show together anymore. And you know, because I've always felt that, hey, we, we had a good thing going and you know, we were really enjoying ourselves. How long was your show together? Wah Mark?
Less than half a year?
Yeah, about half a year. And, and then all of a sudden it was what happened, why was the whole company change and people have different roles and yeah, you know, they needed
something to remember, Burning was shifted to the morning
into the morning show. Yeah,
yeah, that's right because they think someone left and he was needed down there.
Yeah, yeah. So, so yeah, I was really gutted. I mean, you know, it was one of my favorite things to do every day when I wake up, I look forward to our show and and that really, you know, put uh, how you say, it puts a perspective on on how you wake up and enjoy your work when, when you have a show like that, you know? So yeah, I was, I was really sad, but oh, well, what to do right?
I gotta, I gotta tell you a story mark. I can't remember if I ever told you this before um, about your rapping because I was in secondary school very like maybe secondary one. And somehow some way I got tickets to this thing called the Perfect 10 Awards, Oh, at the, at the indoor stadium. Remember this? And I think that the headline act was like, Michael learns to rock or something. They actually came down and accepted the
award and all that. And, and you know, of course we, you know, I was a big fan of all the DJs. I knew who all of you were, all of a sudden you and Dawn, your brother went on stage and you started doing a rap and the and the stadium was like wow I didn't know you could do that you know and it was a full pack stadium just like literally you were you were onstage conducting
a concert. Remember that? Yeah, of course I remember that. I mean I enjoyed it very much and it all came about only because I mean you guys worked with Don before and you know my brother is a very talented musician. Yeah for sure. Yeah and I mean he just came back from Australia and he was looking for gigs here and there to perform and put his name out. So I thought this is a fantastic
you know occasion to do it. So I just told the lawyers who was the program manager then I said I was supposed to be introducing Michael learns to rock I think or something like that and I said look I wanna perform. You know I remember it was regulated by Warren G or
something. I
remember doing that so I said I want to perform and he's like you know I don't perform perform Michael and I said yeah you know I mean let's do it you know during our T. G. I. W. S and all that. I used to go down and do like you know boom shake the room here and there
that kind of stuff with my own lyrics. So he said okay and then that's where we went but mainly I chose that song because there was a singing part which could showcase Dons amazing vocals and then it just took off from there and I think that, you know, he he came up to me after that Don was because initially he was like, no, no, I'm not going to perform, I mean, why do I want to be your sidekick? You know, everybody is only going to remember you and all that kind of stuff, it's just to
put your name out there after that. He said, thanks very much for convincing me because that was one heck of an experience because yeah, you're right, Justin was like, you know, it was packed out and because that song was hot, you know, everybody was just into it and those were the days where, you know, they just put their hands up in the air without us asking them to or you know, throwing their hands up and down like what you do these days.
So it was really, really fun. It was probably one of the best experience I've ever had as well because when the lights finally shown at the audience, we suddenly realized, bloody hell, it's not sound effects
as well. I know it was until today, it was one of the coolest experiences I've had at the indoor stadium. So remember that was that was a really, really awesome thing, we just don't do stuff like that anymore. Yeah, well that we can't right now, but yeah, you know things like that just don't happen anymore. I know
I know
well you know you know Mark your your life has obviously you know the progressed and gone forward from from an exciting youth in radio and then you know into adulthood managing radio as well and then now with a full time position with your your your current job and all that. What what what are some of your your your how you say your your high points and low points in this this long career of yours not just not just radio of course tv exactly. You've done a lot
of tv as well commentary by the way. Triple Nine reruns are on our on netflix on netflix man we're talking to a netflix style. You can binge the whole series of Triple nine if you want. You know.
Yeah it's cast in stone to remind my son how embarrassing his father
was. A he came to me that dad you remember what a meme
is in mommy
him. No no no I mean it's
not a bad thing, it's not a good thing either. I mean like I mean like I really enjoyed my life you know I really enjoyed I if you asked me I wouldn't put it down as a high point but I would say that my sportscasting career is something that I take a lot of pride in. It's something that
probably in Singapore. It's unprecedented. I do know the achievements that I've had, I mean, it's like, you know, I've been doing it since do the math in 1987 88 you know, and if you think about it in the number of years that I've rolled by already, um I looked at it, it's like I passed like 1000 over commentaries for like football and it's all over the world, it's not just in Singapore, it's taken me international, I've done eight olympic games, have
done numerous asian games and like, you know, you just come to a point where sometimes you take that for granted and even until today, you know when I'm doing a match, you know, I do a lot of japanese football these days, but even doing a match before the start of the match, I still get butterflies in the
stomach because I still enjoy doing it. I still get nervous before the start of games, you know, whether it's a swimming event or football event, so I, I am extremely proud of what I've done in, in terms of sports and that ability to also spot the talent and say, well, okay, I think this boy is going to be really, really special.
I think this guy is gonna be really good, you know, just by watching it for the first time, um low points, I don't, I don't think I had a lot of low points, like what I said, I really enjoyed the career perhaps maybe, you know, at the start of it all because my dad didn't know that I got into this at such a young age alright so It was a little bit fractious initially with my dad and then it didn't help as well that I was replacing him for the Olympic Games in 1992 which was
my first Olympics. So I think that also didn't help matters much. But I mean it's like I can understand exactly why I mean it's like you know I can always look back now and say being a father myself, if you ask me do I want my son saul to be part of an industry that is uh you know very very I don't know how you call it fragile, vulnerable at the same time as well. You know you have a name now not just a father but a grand
father. Where people are going to compare you with. My answer would be no I want him to stay as far away as possible from it. And I don't know where my dad comes from because you know he didn't want me to have that baggage over me when I first started so he didn't want me to be part of the industry and then when I was finally part of it I felt the baggage I really did you know in the early part because you're always saying that he probably got the job because your dad's there. So
I had a lot more. I mean that's why you know, you start throwing down wraps and all that kind of stuff and it made me work a lot a lot harder, which I never regretted. But at the same time it also I I suddenly realized that I put in a lot of work only because of the baggage that came along with it. I never wanted anyone to feel that way. But I think through the years you kind of like you know, shake that off and prove it, but the hard work never leaves you, which probably I'm really proud of,
you know, and so you should you know, I mean you've done so much in this industry and you know, and you've definitely differentiating yourself from yourself from your dad. Sorry, I just want to go back to this low point in you should be our man is not the I
I how many of you get a chance to do a character called, click click.
Exactly. Right. We tried but cannot I click
click because you played with your pen so much you've became click click I mean it's like you know when that first I remember the first time I read that script, I read it as a comedy and then the guys are like looking at me
what are you doing this drama? But but okay, all this this this fun as I write, I martin, I don't know if you know this about Mark because because I was around when he was still a very active actor. Yes, and
this guy takes his acting very seriously. Mark is almost like a method actor now now delve into the madness of that Mark, because you know, you you were doing all sorts of roles like like for instance, Triple nine where you are this, you know, edgy, hard nosed cop, how how do you begin thinking about method acting to, to play a role like that?
Uh to be honest with you, it was because I wasn't trained as an actor and I that's why I decided, you know, to put everything into it and become the character because that was the only way I knew how to and it was something that I might have regretted doing because there's some roles that I shouldn't have put all of myself into it, especially on stage, but because I'm not trained, it was like the only way I knew how to do it. Uh and that's the reason
why I chose to do it that way. Looking back now, I wish I would have taken it differently, but then again, it would have required some training, but I mean, you know, I there's some parts in some roles where I didn't take myself too seriously and also the enjoyable ones, but I think that when you actually have to dive right into it, especially when you're on stage and the audience is right
in front of your face, That that can be pretty frightening. So, I mean, that's one of the reasons as well, You know, when I had my son, I decided to stop acting on stage because he can't come home to a different father every night,
every Yeah,
you know what I mean? Yeah, so it was going through very dangerous grounds at that time. A lot of it, I have to admit a lot of it just them from a whole lot of insecurity of the fact that I don't think I'm good enough, so I better throw everything that I
can.
So it was just insecure because the people around me was so bloody good that, you know, I better get up to speed, I better not not just learn my lines, but I better show that I can do it and I can be on par with with these guys. So it was insecurity that that drove me, like what I said at the end of the day, I don't regret hard work, but I mean, like maybe I I should have not taken myself that seriously.
Looking back
Yeah, looking back now and look at Triple Nine and like what you say, VR man, it's like, yeah, actually those are the things that you really can't take seriously. It's like, it should be like right, it should be right unfit left armpit and that's what it should have been, that's
all. But looking back now, I mean all this is hindsight of course. So where you are now and everything you've achieved right from what we've been hearing from you when it comes to radio and or acting, is it a never again or never say never,
wow. I mean in terms of radio, it's uh in terms of acting, I'm not sure, I'm also at an age where you know, you're always going to cast me is perverted uncle,
which is true by the way, no need to method act that way. We can act together, we can be the two old men at the coffee shop. Oh
yeah, actually we should talk to my wife that you're interested in doing,
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop it, stop it, stop it. The only reason I've dabbled into stage acting is because of you, horrible, horrible man twice. No, I didn't learn my lesson the first time I did it the second time was like, oh my God, but but you
talk about our boys to men and all, vernon was in the Army
Day. Yeah, no, no, we're just reliving this with Jose and when we had him on the show, right? And and and you know, the funny thing is I'm not an actor, like, like you, like you said, you know, you never started out, never formally trained as an actor and neither am I, the only difference is he had interest in acting, I never did, but the only reason I did it because this man came and emotionally blackmailed me bro, you can do it. Come on man. I I'm like okay, okay my my, my bro says I
can do it so okay, I'll do it. I think
it was so funny role he ever played. I mean it was about this, It's about a radio station. Okay, let's start my dad and shake Heikal. Its love wave 91 96.6 or something like that. It's about a radio station. And all Burton had to do was to be this guy who was an aspiring radio DJ who was actually a producer but he couldn't be a DJ because his voice was too high.
I actually had to sing on stage, a full blown song. You're like, wow. Maybe one of the great, it is one of the great regrets in my life that I never saw this play. That one was a community play. You know what love is in the air, love on air or something like that. Right? No love. I never saw it. I saw Army Days though you didn't, I was there for army days but I did not see this other one man. I know
he was better in love with that. He was an Army Days. I can attest to that, you know that my boys and all of a sudden he breaks out into Robbie Williams better, better
man. Yeah man, the memories are just
flooding and everybody, the whole whole crowd clapped and then you know? And bryan and Michael went well done man.
Thanks. I mean, you know which is why what I'm saying, you know it's talking to Mark Richmond for for for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, half an hour. He can get you to do things you never thought you ever wanted. That's how passionate he is about a man of a man of many talents. Exactly. I mean, we can we can sit here and catch up for another two hours
but Mark where we want to let you go. One more thing to do when we do this with all our guests on the modern sandwich podcast is now we get to turn the tables were asking you questions for half an hour. It's your turn on, on, on on record, ask us a question. It can be to one of us both of us and we have to answer. So is there something you've always wanted to ask us?
I think it's this is very difficult because almost everything has been answered. I mean, we know each other well,
very well, so long decades.
Exactly. For so long already. Okay. Probably because it's the year of the tiger. Right? Maybe my question is this, I like to hear You present your case one x 1 as to why you have a bigger tail in between your
legs. What the argument is settled before the cases even presented. I have three Children. He has none fight Justin, you're just going down without a fight arguments
Alright, alright, argument. What about
you? You're not gonna look go down without looking I mean look, I'm wagging my tail and wagging my tail. The only thing I can say is and people won't believe it, but really I can say is have you seen the size of my feet? And you know what they say about people with big feet? Right, Yeah, your feet are so big, you can't see anything else wins. Congratulations. Okay, I've known you to be a fighter, Okay, okay, here's here's another argument. How many letters does your surname have? Okay,
come on, how many how many? Three minus A N T H O. And I have nine months of yours is longer, no matter what? Okay, okay, okay, you see that is only a question that Mark Richmond was exactly right. That is a regular conversation between Mark Justin and myself. Okay, well we'll catch up again soon. Mark over over lunch or something, thank you for coming on the marten sandwich podcast. We appreciate we need to catch up soon Alright, okay, love to be and saul and the papa and mama
as well. Thanks thanks for coming on,
yep. And you guys as well, I mean keep doing the stuff that you're doing, I think that is absolutely brilliant, you know, I just heard your guys at the end of december last year uh the only reason why I can't hear enough office, because when you work from home, you're always on the computer and all that. But you know, I remember just switching on Class 35, it's like, you know,
and just took me back in time. It's like you guys sound just as fresh as ever on a station, which probably has so many commercials outside thinking I think I could do it down there with all these commercials going on and all that kind of stuff, you know, but you're still still able to do it. So I'm glad please keep your passion alive on radio.
I think that radio needs people who enjoy themselves going on radio and you guys probably more than any other DJs enjoy going on radio, you know, with all the love and further in the world. So please keep it up.
Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. See you soon.