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All right. Welcome to the Mutton Sandwich podcast, of course. Here's the show that we put together, and every single episode we catch up with our famous friend of ours.
Yeah, absolutely. You know, we love to name, drop and invite famous friends so that people see one month. And so you know this and this person. And today, one of the most well known people that we know. That's right. They finally decided that it's OK to be on, you know, with us and have a nice little chat.
We named Rob her because she really makes us very, very cool.
Absolutely.
Let's say hello to Michelle Chong image.
Hi, everybody.
Oh, I love that. I love that. Michelle, we haven't seen you in such a long time. You know, due to a pandemic. Regardless, you know, it's it's been a while since we caught up last so. Yeah. How you been, man? Like, like what you been up to?
Oh, I've just been very busy.
Yeah, we know.
We know we're following you on on social media. You know, you've got a series of episodes of your shows that come out like, you know, every every Saturday. Everybody's timeline is correct.
Every every Sunday, 10 A. and every Sunday, any the series. Yeah, basically, we have an artist management agency. Well, it's not really like it's very boutique is just it's just three of us that been there from the start for like maybe close to 10 years. So it's Ponce up, Lee Tung and myself. Yeah. And we don't want to say anyone else because we just want to keep it small and take care of ourselves and take care of ourselves well.
And then also, I have a production house, Michelle Chung Productions, and basically we do add TV's Brenda Content, digital content, original shots. So that's what I'm busy doing every day. So concurrently, we have also quite a few projects FMCG brands, cybersecurity, medical, so is just ongoing all the time.
Wow, that's incredible.
Awesome. And I mean, I watch the videos that you put out every weekend and it's a lot of work. A lot of you don't know the amount of work that goes into release. One six minute video. Right? Yeah, I mean, so it's true.
Yeah, you guys. So no, because you guys are doing so much social media these days. Yeah, everyone is. Yeah. And social media is such a different animal altogether from TV and film. Yeah, absolutely. Because it's so competitive, right? But this is from the whole like, well, you know, people have like a free content anytime they want anywhere and anyhow, whatever they want, anytime and the tip of their fingertips. Literally.
Yeah, and you never know what your your audience on social media, you know, will be keen to snap up. Like, like, you know, it could be someone just brushes death and that could go viral, you know? So so how how do you plan content? How do you think about how do you create content for social media? It's a tough job.
So let's ask you, Michelle. I mean, without giving away too many tricks of the trade because obviously, you know, that is your rice bowl. But but what? What do you do? How do you plan to do stuff that will stand out above all of the other choices and free stuff that people get?
Yeah. You know, and and like I will say, is so coveted competitive and it's so difficult because within the three seconds, if they don't like it, they can just scroll past around here because there's so much free content available, right? So so I guess in the first five seconds, you have to be very engaging already. And what's more, you know, we don't just do like organic content. We we put products in there.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So I mean, I think it's actually quite a feat to to to produce something to produce an ad that people want to watch. Yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. That's a difficult thing. But I mean, that's what we are known for. Yeah. So we produce engaging ads that people want to watch, even though they know it's an act. Maybe sometimes they don't.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's what sets you apart from the other people doing the same thing, isn't it?
Oh, actually, for myself and the team, we try to watch a lot of online content as well, you know, to see what works, and we have to keep up to date with like the latest trends. Yeah, local news or you know what's trending worldwide. Yeah, it's just so that we know what our audience lights and we have to keep current with with with like pop culture and all that.
Right. So, OK, Michelle Chong, as as a business person, how has the pandemic affected you?
It didn't affect us because we we do a lot of digital content. Yeah. And because of the pandemic, more people are staying at home and turning to online entertainment. So actually, we've had. More people come to us to do.
Wow, that's great news, yeah.
Yeah, and what do you say? I mean, because obviously social media now is all about numbers. So what do you say that your your views have increased over the last one year?
No, I wouldn't say that. OK. OK. Because, like I said, everyone is going online as well, right?
Right, right, right, right, right, right.
And also and also, don't forget, our Facebook and Instagram are also very sneaky. They are they they are changing the algorithm all the time, so you don't know what to expect. OK, so sometimes even with the same formula, the same people in the same ads, you know, you can do very differently in terms of use, right?
Yeah. So true.
So true. And that's where it's up to your team to keep up with the updates and and how they prioritize videos to it, they'll be able to break through.
Exactly. Yeah. So, so many things to consider. I know
many things. So so again, for people who go all, I want Michel Jong so easy every week, pull out one six minute video cartridge. It's so much work that
goes behind so many different things. How much work
it really takes. Someone who has done it to like, Wow, you appreciate how much effort it goes into just one video, right? But hey, I mean, look how we like to reminisce on the Mutton Sandwich podcast. Yes. Let's let's turn the clock back a little bit. Before Michel, Michel Chung was this businesswoman who has entrepreneur, entrepreneur and all these characters you love and all that. Tell us, because I don't think I know this story. How did you first get
into showbiz? How did you first become famous, if you would?
Well, I mean, I've always been very interested in in the creative stuff as goes. So I took theater studies at Victoria Junior College. Oh, right. S and A-level subjects. So my teacher thought I was good enough to pursue this as a career. So he told me to go to the states to to do this bachelor's in theater study. And then at the end of year one, we go into the Asian financial crisis, so I had to come back. OK, OK. So so I went to us to continue doing theater studies. Okay?
And then while I was there, it was very hot, right? And then physically, it's very hot. Like. Yeah, and you were so hot. I think there are not enough trees there. And also and also, I just got back from the states where it was very cold because I was in Maine, which is like, Oh, Ulysses north part of us.
Yeah, so nice. Wow.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so so anyway. So when I when I was that and as my father went to take the form for fame awards do remember Oh
wow, film awards. My goodness. Yeah, yeah, that's
a blow then. So but but I always say to him, like, why you never take star search if you think science overnight? Well, I think it's where Saima wants now. You seem a lot like
what's lasted one two years anyway.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it was like once every two years or something. Yeah, yeah,
it was the Channel five equivalent because he saw star search. How the how? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Channel five wanted to do that own one thing I don't see that I hold. I wanna watch the Chinese.
Oh my God, I was a Taiwan Taiwan. Yeah, yeah. So they also think that the two of you don't think that down a few times is.
No, only Dustin. And it was it was a bad decision on their. But I still
feel too young that I felt that. So, yeah, yeah. So Feynman was I honestly didn't remember you in the feeble once.
Well, I mean, I did get into the final. Yeah, OK, OK. But then after that, things started happening. I mean, I mean, I I did like bits a bit parts in like me growing up and the rule and then, you know, and I did a lot of theater as well. And I also I was like modelling, you know, doing all those things, part time acting stuff. So. And then, yeah, like I said, I did like bit parts in going on and under one roof. And then you'll notice to me, I suppose, Oh, this girl is quite good like can, right?
So then when she went to when she went to MediaWorks channel, I
told her, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, they got me to do this. Do you remember this bikini drama paradise called Paradise with Nadia, who tagalong? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was the Charlie's Angels. Wow. Oh, so yeah. But I mean, obviously there was candlelight after like four episodes or something. So that that that didn't go well. So but then, okay, so after that, Mr. Munn, because I was bilingual, right? I thought I was also very good, right? Like,
I mean, bilingual can can host whatever. So then they also got me to do like hosting four for one. It was like the channel you equivalent of like. You know,
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but it wasn't the TV that was channel. Sure, they'll call MediaWorks. Right, so then. But but because a lot of the Chinese creatives went over the speech. Yeah, yeah. The variety people. So then they they produced a lot of these like city beat kind of shows. So then I started hosting in Chinese. Yeah. And then after that they gave me a full time contract. And then but then before it closed, before I was immersed in media, called Melvin, who was actually mediocre at the time, who
is now, of course, you know the big wigs of my. Right, right? So before they merged, he also does like quite good potential. So he actually got me over like he signed me to two media calls. Yeah. So I mean, anyway, well, it's just one thing. I mean, I had a lot of Quirin that we call a clean slate like a lot of people been affected. I had the potential, but you know, I hope I didn't disappoint them, so they told
me they thought correctly. Yeah.
Well, a lot of things, a lot of the things that I did also, you know, like shut down media will shut down paradise can then be your fault.
I love you.
No, no. Of course you don't God. But that drama, you know? Yeah. And so, yeah, so yeah. So then yeah. So one thing led to another. And then I I signed on with with media. And then right after that late Melvin left. Right. So I was that media cop. And then when I was mean, I was actually I was not there for long, like maybe five, six years. But then I was actually actually actually, I don't really like being in front of the camera at all.
Are you seriously kidding me?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that was very, very depressed because I was just in front of the camera all the time.
Oh yeah, that's shocking to hear.
At the time when I was at, Mutacao was also always pitching ideas to, you know, say, young or whoever just. But I found it difficult to place me because I was an actor as a whole was right. So they say, no. So what do you mean like your pictures project means you will like, write or you directing you? You would do it. Then how are we going to pay you? I mean, are we going to put you in Channel five team? I mean, I mean, I understand because, you know, we do call it is it's a it's a big company,
so we can. It's not like a small company, you know, you can just do whatever you want. So I also understand so that it's I felt like I really needed to do my own stuff. You know, I'm OK. I had stories to tell and I and I love to create characters. But so then so then two thousand and eleven I took like. But, you know, I was very popular, right?
Yeah, for sure.
Which actually the next question I was going to ask you before you get to the next part. What do you say in all honesty? Michelle Chung explored it as a as a household name because of the news and the characters you created.
What would you say? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. OK, yes, I would say that. But then also I was also doing a lot of Channel eight like hosting at that time. So a lot of the older people also know me some issue, like most of us about, you know, so. And those those older people didn't really watch the news either. True, true. True. I mean, I was quite I was quite I was
very lucky and I was very blessed. I mean, I had a lot of jobs, you know, I because I was bilingual, so I could do like a lot of different things. Yeah, right. So, yeah, so at the time, I was like, very popular. But the reason why is because I was very busy, you know?
Yeah, you do lot projects.
People like, yeah, like me for like like, you know, bonds, oil will be like next year, July to September Miller. So that was difficult for me to do my own thing like musical, right? Absolutely. And also because I came from like nothing, right? As in, I came from like, Oh, I had no Joss. I struggle, you know, I to go for auditions. I started from doing because I had to do this. And then, you know, like, so this was also obviously very precious to me, like all these jobs, right?
Like I was, I felt very lucky. But at the same time, I was very depressed because I felt like this thing. Anyway, one night, you know, I have a creative outlet, you know, I want to produce my own stuff. So. So then it took me a while to really must have the courage to take like a three month low pay leave to do my own movie. OK. Right. So so I took it three months. No failing to do my first movie, right? And then after that, I was so happy doing it. It's a seven month old baby. Wow.
And then and then, yeah. So actually, it paid off because my first movie did quite well at the box office. Yeah, for sure. For sure. It was also chosen as Singapore's representative to the Oscars. Oh, wow. For best foreign film in 20 years, it
would have been I would have done better if we were in it. But yeah, you can't win them all.
I remember we pitched to be in your movie, but we were overlooked. So yeah, so did you.
Right? Yeah.
Not not to bring it up, but you know, no, no, no.
I'm always very grateful to you too, because for all of my movies, you were there to help me promote. Oh, absolutely.
I don't know. I mean, we we we really love you so much and we we think you're you're just super creative and talented. You know, we can't help it.
Thank you.
And honestly, we don't see that many people with the passion that you have.
Yeah, it's crazy
to be creative and to be to always be, you know, one step above everyone else, you know, in that process. So you've been amazing, all these very inspiration. So let's talk about the creative process. OK, so so I don't know if you've ever spoken about this before, but those awesome characters you created for the new step that have, you know, people, people, some people think that you are actually that person. You know, Lulu? Yeah, right? Talk about
the creative process of that. Did someone in Channel five write that character is Michelle? Can you play this character? Or is it just something you created in your head? You brought it to screen and you're like, Oh my God, it works.
OK, so, so as I was telling you before, I was always pitching right, like senior management or whoever I can, you know, get an appointment with like my the head of a movie, you know, like, say, like, you know, I'm either cooking show idea with a skill, you know, blah blah, you know? So I was like, I have this show, I do. And then just one day, I
was so lucky. Finally, I don't know who it was, whether it was, was it Kelvin or, yeah, somebody said like, Oh, oh, actually, someone in Channel five also has a skit idea, right? Like the fake news, right? So then so then it's a great great. Then you two can meet and then, you know, finally, we can do something right? Right? So then, yeah, so then that was how I got involved. Wow. Yeah. But I came up with my own characters. So, you know, it's very funny because, like the news was a very
small team at that time, right? Mm. So I could pretty much do whatever I want to write so. So I was also watching Channel NewsAsia at the time. I don't know whether you remember there was this. There was this newscaster that had quite a bit of heavy makeup and very sultry big hair. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The American accent.
I know exactly who you're talking about.
Yeah, like so she was just sitting next to me in the makeup on. I was like, Oh my God, I could totally be that newscaster. So that was how Adriana wow was was born. Yeah, with a big hair and you know, the blue eyeshadow and you think, Oh my gosh, she's not has been balding as well about, yeah, they'll be funnier if she is more important, right? Absolutely. And then and then, you know, with with Barbarella is so funny because, you know, when I was doing modelling. Yeah,
the stories you could tell. Yeah, oh yeah. Kind of. Yeah, very special, unique characters. So I when I first started, I had this and this agency mannequin carries on while doing so. So the the instructor they teach you, like, how do you know, do make do well? And and I always thought, Oh gosh, it's all right. She's like, Oh, you're lying to the mere roll. You see your eyebrows. Oh my goodness, this toga. So I was just always
I was saying something like that. Yeah, so but then the thing is that not everybody believed in me when I was when I first, when I first did Leticia, I said, I can totally do like a Filipino helper, a Filipino accent. Yeah. So when I first did it and I still remember and I still remember the the soundman or the cameraman say, Are you sure that's Filipino?
Doesn't sound like that, but solid. It got solid. So, you know, because in the beginning, nobody really knew that I could do all these things that would go from Channel eight, you know, and then come in like, do all this. So even when I did my Barbarella, which I thought was hilarious, like the first thing I did, I myself thought it was very funny. I mean, we were sending also or 2000. But I remember the app was just like, like, nobody laugh at all right now.
You know, they were folding their arms. And just like, Is this very funny? Like, when I do my takes, everybody takes, you know, out of towels or devices stall, sending it just like looking around like, OK, I dont like, you know, like, just like nobody. Oh, my God. Like, I knew it would be a hit.
Yeah, yeah. You, you knew, right? Because and then those, you know, all those characters were created at the infancy of social media. Yeah. So when those clips started getting shared on it, people loved it, you know, so I guess. OK, well, comedy is not for everyone, I suppose, you know. And you know, some people find something funny. Some people won't find it funny. Right? But the majority found your
character very funny.
Very funny, really, really, really awesome. But but then came a point where you had left Mediacorp. Right? Mm hmm. Yeah. And there was and there was an issue about, will you be able to use these characters outside of medical?
Right, right, right. Right, right? The answer is no, because whatever that I did were on medical platforms. And so those characters belong to them, which which which I agree it's OK. But when? So that's why when I did Lulu, the movie, I bought the rights. I bought the rights for the movie.
So that was the process. You actually bought the Lulu rights from your call?
Yes. Yes, yes. So, so so that's why. That's why now I do my own platform, my own characters, which belong to me like alien. You know, Shelly go the office lady Emily Emilia, the Taiwanese. You know, like, yeah, like all these characters belong to me.
Right, right? Yeah. Because I find it in so strange to be someone else for something you created, right? It's a tough business, but yeah, intellectual property and stuff like that. Yes.
I mean, times have changed. As in as in now, because I mean, people in media have come and gone also, right? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Whoever was in charge. So I mean, I mean, things are a bit better now. I mean, I mean, there's no animosity between us. I mean, I still produce stuff for me to write nice stuff. Yeah. Yeah, we do like chic and cozy, which was like a home, the property hunting show for Channel five and I'll go on my case. You know, what was it? Yeah. Oh, right. Yeah.
So we did that one. So I directed that, and it was very well-received, actually. Yeah. Yeah. And then I also director like two army dramas, Chinese dramas on Channel You and for me, you watch as well, which also had like the highest ratings for like the Chinese Chinese series on toggles. Very cool. So I mean, we still do stuff, but then I personally still do stuff with them. So. And and also, I think things have changed now as in if it's produced by us now. But but even
on their platforms, the characters belong to us. So I see the Chinese. I do Chinese Gong Dalloway, which is like a Chinese. I love that a Chinese journalist, you know, A. journalist. Right. Well, it just so a big conservative, a bit grumpy, kind of a Chinese anti journalist's character. So I did that for them. Mm hmm. And actually, I created this character for them. But now this character belongs to me as well. So sure, things have changed. That's great.
That's fantastic. Because, you know, creative people, ideally you want to own what you of. I mean, as Taylor Swift, yeah, you know, they were. You really want to own.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, that's
that's that's that's fantastic. It feels almost like it's come full circle.
That's well, right. Yeah. Yes. No. I think it's good now. Yeah, I'm going
to ask you a difficult question because, you know, you know, for parents, it's very it's impossible to choose a favorite child. Yeah. So if we were to put you in the spot and ask you, who's the favorite character you ever created? Can you name one?
No, I can't. You could, right?
They're all special, too difficult.
And they're also unique as well.
You know, you know, better. I don't know how they explain this to you without sounding very cold, but actually, it's just walk to me. Right, right, right. So I mean, they're not my children. I, I, I, I don't care for them. Yeah. But but I care deeply about my work, what I put out. So I'm a perfectionist in that sense. So I mean, I go through the edit many times because I go through the script many times with a T. I go through the edit many times because I want
it to be very funny. I wanted the client to be happy that like, you know, the messaging is one, you know, I want people to love the content, you know, I want everyone to be happy. So you're a perfectionist. What? Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I care about. Like whether the timing is right. Like, Oh no, you should have so personal here. You can add da, you know, like here you might do a digital zoom. Otherwise, who's going to notice what you know, the deadline or, you know? So, so I mean,
these are very specific things, right? Yes. So so that's what I care about. But if you ask me like a paparazzo like, who cares? Right, right? I mean, I mean, I mean, when we think about it, it's not like, Oh, my favorite character is this, let's do this. But more like whether it fits this product or whether it's this video, whether it is this, was it the right character? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's what I care about.
You know, I wish there were more people in this industry that that that that that commitment to the art. Yeah, but you do. You know, I really wish there was. Because I mean, you call it, call it DA. What do you call that? I call it jaded or, you know, like or whatever it might be, complacency or whatever. But, you know, I wish more people would really love what they do. So much do spend so much time to make it perfect
and not put put out something for the sake of putting. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So. But you know, I I am jaded. Well, I am just really, you know, you just want it. Yes. No, I'm done and I'm very tired. And actually, it's not that I love it so much. It's just that I cannot help it. You're right. Yeah. So I guess I mean, a lot of the times I just think, yeah, just like all of my friends, you know, the team should know that anyway, but I can't let go. So then that's just that's bad, actually.
No. Well, we
will. We see your content, people see your content and people love it. So you know it all pays off at the end of the day. Absolutely. That's a good thing.
I hope Solo Hope Solo
does like, OK, let's let's let's play H.R. department for a moment.
H.R. Department.
OK, OK, so what's next for Michelle Chong? Is there something that you haven't achieved? Is there something that you want to do? But what Demi or whatever you haven't done it yet, like in the next three, four, five years? Like what? Is there something in the pipeline that you can tell us?
Actually, contrary to popular belief on, I mean, like despite what people might think, like what I am, you know, I actually don't plan anything, you know, OK, I don't play, OK. I don't plan anything in advance. All right. I have nothing. But currently I hope to lose weight.
Are you? Are you kidding?
Yeah. Yeah, because I'm also doing a flip me endorsement now. Oh yeah, because because I don't know all these productions that I'm doing. I'm also the ambassador for quite a lot things that I Johnson protein, sorry, homestead. Yeah. And another one coming out and and la da da, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Have a lot of things to do like to optimize mug. And yeah. So to me, that's also quite stressful because like I said before, I really do like to be in front of the camera. But I guess if it's
still pays my bills, I should be grateful for it. Yeah, and I am, and I am very grateful for it. So I cannot just like, give that all up now. But I look forward to the day where I don't have to care about doing my makeup and I don't have to keep my hair long for this. I think that's what I am. And no, but but I can still do my behind the scenes. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And I'm very busy doing that, right? So then I just, yeah, yeah.
So so actually my my wish is that I can really, really don't have to be in front of a camera anymore and just doing behind the scenes. Wow. So that's just like, yeah, my ultimate wish.
Wow. You never think you hear that from from someone who's doing so well in front of the camera? Exactly that.
That doesn't sound very ungrateful. It does.
Oh, no, no, no. That's not what I meant at all. Because no, it really isn't what I meant at all. Because, you know, we we sometimes we feel the way you do, sometimes when we feel jaded, when we see. We feel that we have been doing the same thing every day. You know, sometimes we wish that, you know, we wish we could just sit back, write content or come up, create content and give someone else to do so that you know, we yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I totally know
how you feel. It doesn't sound a great maybe.
Maybe it takes someone in the industry to know exactly what you mean, but I know, I know completely
what you mean. Yeah, yeah.
So the idea is you just you just feel that way, right? Well, yeah, it's so eye opening.
Chatting with you, young man, is such a great guy.
One more thing to do before we go, Michel, because we know you're very busy. You know things to do. So we want to hold you for too much longer. But it is tradition for all our guests and a mother and sandwich podcast to forward the tables to turn. So now you will get to ask us the question Is there anything you've ever wanted to ask the mountains about? Never had a chance to. So it's now and now it's on record. So go ahead. Michelle Chong, what do you want to ask?
Yeah, so you are really asking for this. So you better answer the question.
Yeah, yeah. We we promise to answer any question wasn't scary.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Honestly. Straight shooting, straight shooting.
OK. So who is your least favorite guest ever and who's your most favorite guest ever on your show?
On the gas, on the in the show?
No, no, no podcast. No polka.
Oh yeah, oh great. Because I have a great answer for that.
OK. Who's who's your least favorite? You go ahead.
No. So I'll tell you my least favorite guest I ever interview. You'll be shocked that his name was Kylie Minogue, right? Oh yeah. I think this was. I'll have to admit, this was very early, early on in my career and this was pre pre social media. So like, like MTV and all that were the biggest things. So she came to Singapore for a concert or promo. I came in while she was here. And so we were there to do an interview. So, you know, everybody's rostered to go
in five minutes with Kylie and all that. So you could tell straight away that when there was a camera like an MTV was interviewing her, what she was like, all glammed up and like, Whoa, she should put it on, you know? And the moment she found out that the next interview was with radio, there was no camera. There was no glamour shot. All I'm doing is just recording her and her voice. She became the most uninteresting person in the world.
Wow.
Yeah, I was. I was shocked because it was Kylie Minogue going to get shot. I've been shot because, you know, she she was the queen night. So it was it was so bad. I could barely use the interview because she sounded so bored and so uninterested. Everything she said was like one one, two words, you know? So I was so disappointed when that happened. All those years ago, it was two thousand and one I think it was 20 years ago. Hmm. So, yeah, that was actually the
till today the worst interview I've ever done personally. Yeah. And oh, did I say. It was quite bad because she was such a big name. I'll tell you a story, something very similar.
And in fact, this was in the 90s when social media really didn't exist. And I had to interview Jon Bon Jovi called the biggest robin in the world. You're right, and exactly the same scenario. Like, like when I went in, I'm a guy from a radio station. So the boys literally has sat there and read magazines. While I ask them questions, they couldn't even be bothered to look at me while answering questions, right? So by the third question, I realized they really weren't interested. So I just stopped
the interview and I say, OK, thanks guys. And I walked out. The next person to interview the guys were What was this hot MTV veejay shall not name her name, but she was a hot MTV veejay with the camera crew. Wow, you see these guys so talkative they lit up there. They were like, Why are you smiling and laughing? And so I was like, Oh, OK. I never, ever put on the interview because I didn't want to use it. Even though they were the biggest rock band in the world, John Boehner, yeah, yeah,
so no, horrible.
Yeah, unfortunately, you know, it was a time that we were quite used to it because a lot of these stars, they they kind of knew when to turn it on and went to the air radio or Neil, I don't care. Yeah. So we
knew we were the ones
who carry your songs 50 times a day to make you famous. You ungrateful piece of itself, anyway.
No radio people are always so discriminating. Yeah, well, we read about them all.
But to be fair, doesn't happen that often. More often than not, people are very grateful of that. We played our songs. Yeah, have you? Sorry. Did you ask about best as well? Do you just ask about worst,
best as well? But, but but let me what I want to say is that it doesn't just happen to radio people because you know, when we when we go in for like movie junkets and all. Yeah, yeah. I know that. Yeah, I also can now get utterly gone to answer your question. Who was it? Who was it? Jada Pinkett Smith?
Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh no. We we've we've had very mixed feelings about that family. We've we've never interviewed Jada Pinkett, but we've interviewed Will Smith. And he loved this so much. She wanted to adopt us. Yeah, he's amazing. Oh, super nice, guy. I love him. Yeah. And then we interview his son, Jaden, who was a teenager then. And, you know, talking to teenagers. Very difficult lesson. Yeah, we didn't have a very good time doing that interview. But yeah. Wow. What a what
a mixed bag. No family member. Yeah.
But I'm so happy to hear that. Will Smith is nine. Oh, it's
one of the nicest guys on the planet, and I don't think he
takes anyone for granted, which is, we say it's a lot of very professional about him. I'll tell you about my best very quickly. Before we we we would go too long. I've told this story many times. So you've heard this story a thousand times what that yeah, my best was and maybe you is almost predictable.
Why put all your stories at
my best was the rock. So I interviewed him when this was his first movie, The Scorpion King. They came to Singapore to do a promo. He was just just making it in the industry, but he was a very big WWE wrestler. So anyway, I interview him and you know, Michel, most interviews when when Time's Up, the Time's Up, bye bye. They'll chase you off, right? Yeah. Because the star has many more people to interview that person. So same thing.
I interview the rock again. Only audio, no cameras interview him. His minder came in and says, Ah, rock, sorry, time's up. With with Justin, are we going to move on? He turned is the only movie star to ever do this. He turned to his mind and said, I am finished when Justin finishes his questions. Well, it was like, Oh my God,
it's so nice. I bet he regrets it. Do this this morning. I waste time with that guy, man.
Which huge movie star? Have you ever heard behaves like that? You know,
and
I've interviewed him like two or three times since, and he's always nice, like the persona he puts forward on his Instagram and all that. That's the real deal. That's the real Dwayne Johnson. So a lot of people say he will be the next president of the United States. I believe that. I believe that he really and awesome and awesome guy.
Oh yeah. Nice.
Nice, awesome.
Yeah. Oh, did you have one yo yo best Madden or
no idea what people usually say. I'm their best when they interviewed me. So yeah, it's again. I know my best was is and will forever be Michelle Chong.
Oh no, she said no. B.S. answer
yes. And I'm not even being PC because Michelle is always, you know, so accommodating, so nice, always wants to talk to us. And it's all real with answers. She's never been. She's never like, Oh, I cannot tell you this again. You know you. You you've you've always been very straightforward this and I appreciate you and I really appreciate it.
The best, Michelle. Hey, thanks for spending
the time with always supported me. Truly, like all my interviews, I mean, all my movie promos and yeah, and supportive, and we
will continue to do so the next time you've got a big project. Yeah, man. Drop us a line. We will be very
happy to support, even though we're lowly radio people. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Michelle, thanks for spending the time. We really appreciate it. See you soon. Take care and we we hope to catch up in the near future.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Michel. You, too. Stay safe.