The
Mutton Sandwich podcast.
All right, welcome to the Mutton Sandwich podcast, we're back, and this is a little show that we actually put together as an excuse to catch up with our famous friends.
That's right. An excuse was the name drop as well. Oh yes. You know, sometimes being friends or being associated with the people that we don't do. Yeah. Kind of puts it in a good step.
That's right. I mean, after all these years, we did make some famous friends. Yeah. You know, these are two guys we love name dropping because we're very alike in a sense that we're both. We're we're both partnerships. In fact, welcome to the very first double decker mutton sandwich, but that's
why it's a double decker. It's it's almost like a Big Mac, because we're talking to none other than Jack and Ray. Say, Oh, man, it's nice to catch up with you guys. You know, we haven't seen you guys physically for quite a while. It's been a while and you know, everyone you know, is the reason for that.
Although though you and Ray for a number of years were neighbors.
Hmm. Right. That's right me.
He moved in first.
Me like,
Yeah,
yeah.
I remember Ray texted me one day of the blue randomly and says, Hey, I'm checking out this new place and my my property agent is name dropping that you live here and he's doing this. I mean it place because I have a I'll have a celebrity neighbor. I'm like, Oh my gosh, you collect commission for that.
So your property generally has been going around selling this property with like this one and stays here, you know, and that's how he sells the units.
I think so. And you know, what's the funny part after I moved in and I think I kind of violated a rule of two by filming here without permission for talking point on Channel five? Oh yeah. So, you know, I think that kind of makes our, our condominium, you know, pretty special. I know
that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I didn't recently moved out. So did you feel this sense of emptiness, loss loss here?
I wonder the value and.
I don't know. But I haven't seen
appreciating for a while. Sounds like. Mm hmm. Something must have happened and flint and moved up.
Oh my goodness. That's why we're friends. Are we? We still each other's egos.
Yo yo la tengo you say eagles, eagles. Thank God, did y'all run into each other a lot?
Couple of times. Yeah, you know, they have a very strange for for a very small condominium complex. Yeah, we we we barely only down, I think, because we keep very different times. Yeah. Yeah, because Ray, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but you always outperform me at night and evenings and all that, and I'm usually at home. And then I wake up early in the morning to go to work and you're probably sleeping at home.
Yeah. So I think I only bum to you once I think you were driving back from work. Yeah, and you just passed by in the car, you look.
Yeah, they yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, I never saw you at the Super Bowl, never saw you the letterbox. Let me you. You go to the pool. Oh yeah. Yeah, all of them. I trained with schooling.
Yeah, yeah.
Fantastic. So it's so good to have both you guys. Yeah, Jack. That's nice. Let's start with you, men. So I mean, I guess, you know, the most default question always goes back to the the the pandemic, right? So I mean, Jack and Ray, obviously, everybody knows you guys are kind of just how they know us, as well as a as a partnership. You almost never see Jack without re-entry,
without Jack, you know? So, you know, when the pandemic started and obviously all the gigging stopped and and all that right, how how did it work for Fall for the Jack and rebrand when that happened?
Wow. I think that that's a good start. That's a good when it first happened. Me and Ray just stayed at home in this panic panic and cried for one week.
Right, right.
And that's one of the symptoms.
Yeah.
We just we just panicked, cried and then figured that, OK, the next thing we're going to have to do is to get used to the streaming thing, cooking everything up to a video and all that. So we actually spent, I think, a good first month or two. I just literally plugging everything we have together, even up to the point of trying to jam with each other during CB online. While we we realize that we cannot, we can't do that because of the, you know, the streaming speeds. I still don't.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, is insane. You don't even do crazy stuff like, you know, call each other the landline. I mean, just to save you. But it's so funny. So we call you just like my brain is landline fast. Maybe so we like each other. And then we tried to sing Happy Birthday together, and we realized Landline also got like, So, so and so we we we can't. We can't do anything. And then after that, you know, we figured that we we create a Sunday night streaming show and we were
at home in our respective houses. And that's how we designed a living with jack and ratio to be somewhat like a like a talk show and a little bit of music kind of format. So, you know, the initial part of TV and you know, the whole pandemic, that's kind of kind of what we spend the first few months while
I see Isaiah Washington
talk about having to improvise, pivot and, you know, change the way you do things right, that is pretty crazy. But what about now? I mean, obviously, life performances still don't really happen. Where does it stand now in terms of the music scene and all that different from from your point of view?
Well, you know, I think there have been a lot of. Initiatives, yeah, most people have been trying to come up with stuff. You know, we had the I think there are some grants going around as well to try and produce content using, you know, either live musicians or freelancers or self-employed guys. You know, and and this extends all the way, not just the performers, right, but also beck and crew, you know, soundman, audio engineers, cameramen, everyone. So. So I think these projects
are coming together slowly. I've got some, some on the way as well. Mm-Hmm. But I think, you know, in the whole live music, I expect it still. I was just thinking about this that day, and I know Jack and I did a concert at the Star Gallery
over the weekend. Oh, yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, I saw pictures on socials as well. Yeah, and I look
pretty happening, man. OK? Yeah.
But I mean, it's a fun concert ticket it. You know, we we had about about 200 ish people dies and you know, it was great, you know? But the thing is and I went home and I kind of realized this and I felt a little bit sad thinking about it because I realized that, you know, Jack and I used to do this like, you know, at the snap of a finger every week. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. They were performing for people, right? And now suddenly it's like it's become this privilege rarity that happens once in a
while and people can go and watch you. And I'm like, OK, I don't know. It is good thing or a bad thing. You know, I thought of myself and I actually felt sad because I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to just be able to go out and do that. And now I can't.
I think it's it's kind of made us realize not that, you know, things for granted, like, you know, the things that you think you do everyday and all that, all of a sudden it gets taken away from you. Exactly. You just have to improvise and, you know, get used to the new normal. Yeah, I
mean, case in point to do that is travel like we used to be able to have some people drive to J.B. for lunch and come back. Yeah, you know, but I'm betting that that feels like a lifetime ago already, you know, also and we're
moving towards that new normal of, you know, let's let's slowly come back together and and try to get things to what it was before.
Fingers crossed. All 1:38
of it. Now, you guys have been great. Like you said, you know, not not so busy as you will before, not not performing every night. And that's also why no new album
or more free
time. Yeah, it's all free.
You what you did sing a new song.
We right? So we did write a new song that we play live and I'm like, Cool,
cool, cool. Okay, now you need nine more to complete the album, exactly.
But then God, as
you do,
we we should. I mean, I think it was also a matter of what our focus was, you know? Yeah, sure. And like Jack mentioned, we're doing the livestream now and we realized that a livestream show, actually, there's a lot of preparation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have to have the premiere contain what you're going to talk about when you have guests on going to do your research about them.
Hey, welcome to our life.
Yeah, exactly.
So and then there's this whole social media game that you got to play as well know how to how to make sure your poster effectively got a study that actually, even as we speak, I'm doing like a little social media marketing costing, Oh, because, you know, I need to kind of figure that out, right? Yeah, yeah. So I kind of realized, yeah, we we were doing all day and just completely forgot about the music.
Yeah, yeah. Too many things still to to to work on new things like at one time, write new things.
Nice. We did, but we did write some stuff for some commercial purposes, you know, like, Oh, nice.
That's where the money is. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're going to make the dough, have to
pay the bills, man. I mean, you're going to get no commercials means cannot stand. You're going to
do. Correct.
Right, right. Now, OK, let's let's
zero zero three six.
Seriously, okay. Let's move away from the music business and talk about you guys as a partnership. And I think only partnerships like like like us, like mountains and of course, Jack and Reed understand these things. I bet you guys get the same question all the time. If, let's say, Jack is there and do you see buying groceries for for the home? And somebody runs into
Jay with that's rare
and happens, vice versa. Rare is that doesn't mean that he's going to end all
this, you mean? Yeah, I know I've done that a lot.
I don't even get hungry. I just get it.
Jay Jay this funny story. Yeah. Though the funny thing is that when I go to Mecca, for example, they don't ask me for my order and I give it all. So she's just doing all this normally. No, no, nothing at all. It comes up like, I know this. Then she looked at the both of us eat chicken. Right? Right, right, right. When I alone. Yeah, you don't. She doesn't recognize me.
You know, she'll always say this. I mean, because happens to us all the time. So I always say this as much as we laugh at it. Sometimes times is it's annoying because like, why are you asking about when and I'm here, you know? But. I say to you guys, it's because of the brand you
created, yeah, you
created such a strong Jack and Rey brand there everywhere you go. You can't see Jack without Ray. You can see Rey without thinking of Jack, you know, and that's the brand. And nothing will ever break that bond, that brand that you had because, you know, you guys are unique in that sense. So congratulations.
We have very few people that we can, you know, rely on these kind of things. But you guys are one of those people that we know you feel the same.
Yes, but and Ernie?
Yeah, actually, absolutely.
Yes, that's a Moslem and Jack Miller, right? And then there's Jack in the in the mountains. That's it. You know, these these are the doors that no, OK can. We can get this because I don't know if I've ever asked you guys before I ever ever had a story. How did Jack and Reed meet? Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Wow, aloha. Who's going to answer that? I'm sure. I'm sure you guys that a lot, but who's going to answer that?
OK, maybe this is the timeline starts with me. Yes, exactly. Okay, so all right. Back in 1997, Don was playing with a different band. My band then was called the strawberries.
Oh wow. I say that it was your Benny the strawberry I love. I love this.
I love that. So that's a make up mess.
But he absolutely was. And I love you guys, Ben and John. And, you know, both of them went overseas to study so solo after that. So when we were solo, there was this. There was this slot in number five. So the solo guys will play before the main band comes on like a woman. Yes, right? Yeah. So I believe that I was playing number five when Jack went to audition to play in number five. But Jack could actually see me before play with the strawberries. So then Jack, because of bands, right?
Oh, OK, then then when I so I was looking around for live music, you know, dates by it. Playing the guitar on my own, in my bedroom. And so after I saw is to suspend the audition and actually read anything is I know I do this only recently, but the first time I auditioned at number five, I actually got rejected. The guy the guy told me, like, you know, yeah, maybe you go back and refresh and try to add more songs. The repertoire? Oh, so sad. I was like, Oh man, yeah. And funny thing. The
same guy that was in charge of number five. Fast forward to about five or six years later, he was actually the manager at Walla Walla, the music, the music guy. Oh, and so, yeah, that was really small was, Oh yeah, he was thirty. Yeah, Tony's going to go home. Yeah.
So I dare you, Tony, Tony,
Tony, Tony. Our our he's a good, good friend right now, but but I bet I was in
the team at Tony time.
OK, Tony time. Yeah, so so just, I think, last part of your band when you were together. But but after Tony left, then there's this new manager. So I just went to audition again. So this other guy said, OK, you know? And he was obviously nicer to me. So why did you do the warm up set? You know, the set. So that's where me and Ray and together you are musicians. We would turn up at number five on our respective dates and on some days they got
the schedule wrong. So me and Ray, I mean, mama, go up the steps in at eight eight, you say, Yeah, is it your turn on my turn? I never may lie. You know, why don't you play? So that's how we kind of got to know each other. Oh yeah. To be purely and, you know, at number five, bumping into each other, knowing each other like, you know, as a solo act, playing a guitar and and yeah, well, OK.
But what was the moment that that that
you decided, you know, let's let's do this together, and that's done. Infinity and beyond. Yeah.
So it just so happened that after all that happened, there was another bar that we played at called Barcelona. It was a Robertson walk.
Yeah, I remember Barcelona.
OK, yeah. Nice little cosy place to play them Fridays, and I played there on Saturdays. Oh, right. And then it was the India, so we kind of knew each other really right then and we go down, watch Jack once in a while, you know, just say hello, listen to songs. And I was like, Wow, OK. Repertoires are quite similar in some senses because they're about the same age. So I think I think Christmas Eve and New Year's
Eve was coming right towards the end of year. So we asked the manager, why not, you know, invoke these special dates like Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve when we play together. And, you know, more fun, right? We're like two guys. At least people are partying, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, so the manager put us there. So that's the first time that we actually played together for a night. It is unrehearsed. We just wait and just wait, you know? Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah. And feel good. Yeah.
And it's competition. And then later on, Jack decided to go and do his thing and audition at Walla Walla. Right, Jack?
Yeah, that's right. And then after that came in 2002, when it was, If I jog your memory, Tokyo woke up, woke up. Soccer was happening. It was in Tokyo. Oh, it was in Japan. And you know, the Japan timing and about timing is pretty much the same, right?
Yeah, I was on all day.
Yeah, yeah, best. And all the matches were around the prime time, you know, when we were gigging. So actually, the club told us a jack and read, you don't have to play for a month plus because we want to screen soccer. We're like,
No.
Yeah. So I being the, you know, the me that I am, I just went out to audition and then I heard about $1 and I just went along. I just like, you don't go and audition. And one one of our friends actually told us to go and try out, and they're still doing music throughout the World Cup season. So that's where I audition. The guy told me that he saw me play and he asked me whether I had a partner because I think one of what I kind of wanted to do the duo thing. Yeah, right.
Big setup. So I said so the first person that came to mind, I called Mama. So I called up. I said, I want to come to one of the jam and we would just audition and see what they say. And that's kind of how we started up. So when I auditioned at Walla Walla, the manager looked at me and Ray didn't know what to do with us because we are just to do it. Doing Travis, doing Coldplay,
which nobody knew. Yeah, because back in 2000, they were still considered in the, you know, they were going the way that I was still Bon Jovi and all of that, you know, all the big bands and all that stuff. So they put us on Sunday night. They say it will be safe. You guys, don't let me put you on Sunday night, Sunday night, maybe two or three will come, you know, because most of these quite quiet night. But if you don't mind, we'll try you up. And that that day was to infinity and beyond.
I think what a great story. I thought it was because Ray used to be a better. I thought it was the shots that go because I've seen him in bars in my neighborhood, you know?
Yeah, yeah. OK, that's actually great. That's actually a great transition to the next question because yeah, I know Ray, as many years you were a teacher as well. Yeah. So you kind of did it simultaneously, Jack. Did you ever do anything? Yes, I
did. Oh, what do you? What do you
do? So I always felt like there wasn't a real job bill. One and only real job I had was working at. I was actually with Sony Marketing in the Asia Pacific. OK, so this is OK. So we bring bring you back to the timeline of like number five. We were still playing alone. Then I graduated around 2001, so then I thought it had to go and look for a job to meet my mum and get happy. Yeah. So I went a look around and and and and this job came about. So I joined Sony for three years.
So from two or one two three up to 04, so I was actually doing marketing for Sony and brothers. I never told this before, but I was actually marketing for the the the the personal audio department. So your your your CD player was a real player and I'm sure you guys will remember the MVP.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, sure. Oh my goodness, I will do that.
Yeah, the more I saw the the how the iPod came along and any player just got obliterated. Yeah, so so that's yeah. So that's my job. So after that awful I quit and music was fantastic.
Wow. Wow. Yeah.
And really, when did you stop becoming a teacher?
I was teaching between 04 and or eight, so I was about five years and thinking, Wow, oh yeah, so I graduated around three or four and then, yeah, so yeah, I was teaching a year in secondary school that I went to Raffles Junior College, one of the three or four years, and then decided to take a sabbatical, right? But the thing is,
what
a great sabbatical.
That's the best event to go, young man. Wow. Wow, OK, OK. And since so since 2008, both of you have been doing music full time. Cizik Say correct is correct, yes, but not quite as well because I don't know the exact year I want to say 2015, but I may be wrong. A restaurant came about. Yes. Tell us. Tell us about. Tell us that story! 2013 Peter Beattie.
Well, yes. 2013 February Valentine's Day. Really correct, right? We did our first service at The Flying Squirrel, which is a small, little cozy Japanese restaurant that we own along I'm--i Street between me and my wifey. So we eat them ourselves. The three musketeers decided to go on board this crazy trip to do a journey to again and back on FNB and and yeah, and that's how they came about.
That's I mean, I remember we were there for the opening. Yeah, it's such a great little place. Food is fantastic. Let let. Let's talk about that. Like, like through this pandemic has the restaurant businessmen?
Well, it's what it was. You know, thank God the restaurant is able to run. But honestly, when the first the first part of the pandemic came right, I think me and my wife, we just sat down and they cried because, you know, we we waited to industries that that that we do musicians. FNB cannot operate, you know, so, so so you know, we I mean, honestly, we we
we were really we were really scared. But we knew that, you know, we we had to, you know, buckle up and just brace through this whole period and then got for the whole of last year. After we finished there, we had to phase two. So we really, you know, PR all the way through till August, September, all the way through December into this year. And then the heightened alert came. So, you know, recently it's been a bit, you know, push pull. So we are just trying to
keep ourselves out, you know, keep everything light. You know, keep, keep, keep it as best prudent as we can on spending and and hopefully now, you know, we are, we are. We are, we are looking, OK, we're looking at that story anymore.
Yeah, yeah. This is such a it is so uncertain, right? Because like I it movies in a movie as if, Oh man, yeah, yeah.
And you guys also still are you guys still enough? Yes. Yes, yes.
Yes. Yeah, yeah. So we're still doing the release. The all star business at oh yeah, Killiney, you know.
So yeah, we went there. Yeah.
Oh, nice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.
And I think when it when it first opened. Yeah. Right, right, right. I yeah, you mentioned to it to us before. And you know, we're all just you in everybody. If you sit down, stand by for anything that happens.
Yeah, you never know what's going to happen.
It's just a stupid stand by more like God. He could announce something I did not. But for now, we seem OK now, you know, and as long as as dining can continue, we're all fingers crossed. Yeah. So, so so yeah, we're all fellow strugglers. Yay. You know, just
so
we're so Jack, you obviously are the more matured one because you got married. You had a kid early on and got dark. Yeah, what's wrong? You mean what's going
on with life?
We got married.
You're kidding. No, no. Sorry. But how do we not know this? Oh, really? Yeah.
Yeah, it's a quite a frankovic, right? So I had a 10 percent rating. Oh.
Hey, this is why I didn't get invite once every day. I'm sorry. We didn't know. Oh, congratulations.
Finally, an adult, did you really have a ten percent rating?
Yeah, because when we went to, um, it was only a you only allowed 10 people max.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We had our immediate families, which is just nice. 10. Yeah. And then we went to a restaurant and you allowed to eat a restaurant as a group of 10 if it's a wedding party. OK. We actually just had dinner at at a restaurant nearby. And then, yeah, that's it. That's my wedding. Yeah.
Well, you know, they kept the same number for funerals. And, you know, it's kind of the same thing if
you are
R.I.P. freedom, right?
But I also did have a small Hindu ceremony two months later when and you allowed 50 people. So, you know, 50 was just nice again for families and super close friends.
And then Fantastic Man, Oh, Congressman, we didn't know.
We didn't know that. OK, so so, so so it.
I'm slightly adulting now.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think
what? What advice did Jack give Ray when he was about to get married?
Yeah, what do you tell you?
Don't sing at your own wedding?
That's something I definitely told myself. My second one is the only thing on my wedding.
So do you
see the validity? You agree? At my wedding, I thought, Hey mama, can you be my emcee and my wedding singer is right? So he was. He was both. He was to you.
Yeah. Just come with your kid and your wife, enjoy yourself, eat some food and go home again.
Right, right, right. Right. And any kits in the works, ray. Any plans working on it?
OK, nice. Nice. That's great. The human
right. Would it be amazing if Jack's kids and raise kids from a bed? Well, that would be the most full-circle thing, you know?
And then Jack and Ray also, you know, kind of mentor the band or be part of the band. They can call themselves the Mamas and the Papas.
That's original. No other band is called then. Yeah, I know. I never heard that before. It's it's it's incredible.
We've got to get we've got to get Brendan's kids on board as well. Matt? Yeah.
Hey, there you go. Well, good. I'll give them to you now and then you returned them and then anyone
over you dig out. One is enough for me.
Oh, you was awesome.
Awesome. So it's so good to catch. I mean, I'm so glad we had this issue. We know Ray's marriage exactly right. You know,
where
have we been? I know. I know. Really, really, really cool stuff. So OK, guys, all the best. I mean, we're all
still in the food business, in the music business business, you know, family lives as well.
You know, we we kind of wait till we get hang out again what you guys think again? Yeah, I mean, I remember the last time we watched you guys play at an actual concert, I still remember the location we were in Orchard Central. Yeah, it was for Singapore Airlines. Right. We were launching Samuel Chris Fly at the time. And while he was right, yes, yes. All of London women use Chris five months before we'd go to something like to do something right. And you guys have experience. Yeah, yeah,
that's kinda attentive.
Is it really what
some call the British Sabrina was? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah. So we were hosting that. You guys played boom. That was the last time. Yeah, we we did that. We hosted that. You guys played so badly needs to. It needs to happen again sometime. Wow. Wow. One more thing to do before we go and wrap up this this this is this long awaited catch up session is to turn the tables. We've been asking you questions for half an hour now. It's your turn. Is there anything
even though we've known each other so many years? Is there anything, Jackie we have ever wanted to ask the mountains too shy to sign autographs short and you get to ask us back right now? Yes. Come on, Jack. Oh,
Jack Jenkins question right now. Who says, Oh, sorry, I guess when you told us just to put in the rules here because we were doing this podcast for a while, everybody gets to ask the question so that a few questions you can ask, which is, have you guys ever fought and have you seen each other naked because everybody else was doing?
I don't know why they what people want to see is meet.
The boy was arrested on Sorry, I'm sorry. I bet you guys get that
question as well. Yeah, that we do. Yeah, I'm sure
you always pointed at me because you know you are always the red face love be. Do you know you can? You can't stop laughing. Ray, have you ever seen Jay angry? Oh, right, right, right, right. So maybe, maybe actually. You know what my question is? Yeah. So I was going to ask you guys, I think I can ask you guys the question still, because up is isn't about fighting, but you know, Justin or Vernon have ever seen like button. Have you ever seen Justin angry? Oh, Justin,
have you ever seen Vernon angry? Because, you know
you were saying, this is not a fair question. He sees me angry every day.
So I don't even notice my and because you don't really hear it on air. But one is a very angry man. He's always had anger management issues. So he actually gets angry. Are you kidding? Yes, she is angry. A lot of small, small things.
No, it's just that I'm surrounded by stupid people.
But to his
credit, I'll say this too is going on over the years. He's actually manage his anger better. When I first read the new version, when you first walk together, well, everyday he was angry at everything like when the vending machine was of Nescafé. Last, right? Wow. The following morning, he's called and kicked the shit out of the machine, and
I'm like, Dude, relax.
Oh shit.
Well, the reason I'm not like that is because I'm all like, Yeah, yeah, I the machine gun. She'll keep me
bad. As he got older, he got more mellow. But yeah, I usually solve it, and I've actually seen an angry man again. But how about you, brother?
Yeah. When have you seen him just being angry? Yeah.
Well, don't be fooled by his jovial misdemeanours. Always laughing, like, like going for Bender because this guy gets angry. No, he's he's kind of like, like, like, I think it's contagious. My my anger has kind of rubbed off on him. Yeah, and now he's the one that gets angry. Most of the time. He's always shouting at people, Yeah, well, I just keep quiet because sometimes I cannot hear them all and I can't see because like, you know, I'm blind.
So it's so weird because I used to be a lot more patient.
I used to. I used to laugh, used to say yes to everything. Even people do stupid things. Or you all y'all qqq? I do for you now. Oh my goodness, these guys, the unfriendly is fun. So you know
how best friends? I'm sure that all of you are like how best friends eventually become like each other. You think you think or you think each other's happy treats? Yeah, yeah. So I because of him, I became more impatient. I started getting angry.
Yeah, and now I'm the angel. I get quiet.
So it's like you got training from the kids.
But yeah, exactly right. Yeah, I mean, if you can, if you can handle kids, well, yo yo yo patience is is not that nerdy. Everything else, you know, is just minor compared to you can handle
anything, right? Ray, did you have a question for us?
Yeah, actually. Interestingly, when did OK? I mean, it's a it's a continuous question, but how did you guys get together? That's one, but I want to know. More importantly, when did you guys realize that, you know, the Matins was this thing where you came into your own?
Oh, right, from
the moment that moment, you think that something going on
right? Right, right, right. Well, I'll answer that one.
It's funny. Yeah.
So part one that and this is something we've said before, is that working together as in this, how did the buttons come together was never our choice in radio. And you guys have been you guys and you have, you know, I've been hanging out with radio people for long enough. You probably know this, but in radio, you whoever works with who is always a management decision. Yeah. So very often they let you come down and you and let me see you. OK. You are the new morning show.
And everybody's like, what? You know? So it's never our choice. So literally was like that. One day we were sitting in a meeting and he said, OK, we're going to revamp. This was back in 1970s. We're going to revamp 987 tour to a new thing. Mark Richman, you guys know him. He was he was the boss at the time, so he appointed Vernon and Justin. You're a new morning show. I what? What an injustice. You know, and you know,
this guy was a wide eyed young little punk who would just say, yeah, already heard from for the National Service.
Thirty three years old and my whole, my head was just exploding because like, Oh my God, my medical career is over before it even starts, you know, because like, I'm being put in a partnership with this guy who's 10 years older than me, you know, and like, I'm screwed. You know, it was the brains. You know, what were you thinking?
Justin said, When you lose an interest in the partner, you.
Well, I mean, I I had a new whipping boy, Lagos. I'm going to happen when when I'm angry at things I think are using it as my punching bag, like he's got so much meat, right? Sure.
Oh man. It was. It was that moment. You know, so I never like, Oh God, okay, where do you punish him? And that's how all partnerships get announced. You know, they literally spring on to you. So they're like, OK, we got to make this work right? And then and then I'll never take it.
Yeah. So so the funny thing is, yeah, we did this whole new partnership reveal doing a retreat to to kale. So so we're all, you know, shipped off on a bus tour to spend time together in kale. And we're all in the hotel and everything on this announcement was made and the bosses then Mark and all other bosses said, OK, you know, we want to meet with each new team and let's sit down and chat and find out what
ideas you guys have for your new shows. So me and Justin kind of hung out and sat down and started talking about radio and what we wanted to achieve and stuff like that. And the more we spoke to each other, the more we realized like, Hey, actually, we were kind of on the. Same wavelength we we we want that the same things we we knew how to do things the same way that, you know, be effective on radio and all that. So we thought, actually, okay, I can get along and can, you know, hash out
ideas and everything. And then, of course, you know, that's only the planning stage, the initial stage. Then you literally get thrown into a new show and you start doing a show on radio. And the first few weeks was, you know, the kind of like test or whatever kind of thing like trial and error. We did some horrible stuff on radio that, you know, I really don't wish to remember and stuff like that. But as we as
we moved along, we realized, like it? Yeah, actually, you know, it's it seems like the show is getting better and better. We we we wanted to achieve the same things and we knew how to get to where we're going on a same wavelength. So and it doesn't happen like like I've been around the block. I mean, I'm quite a bicycle radio
and
I've had many partners before. And you know, and I think felt like like this partnership where, you know, my partner actually could back me up, man, I could back him up and we saw the funny.
The key was we barely disagreed.
Yeah. So so all these 16 years that we've been together, we've never had a major blow argument. Like, I mean, obviously, I win all the time because I just don't shut up. But you know, it was, you know, because yeah, so
so I think the moment really you're asking about is after a few months when I assure you, we don't disagree on anything. Yeah. You know, everything that you came up with, I think it's a great idea. Did everything I came up with is like, Yeah, let's let's try. Yeah, so and then it became like, Wow, I never had that before. You know, so, so so yeah, that's awesome. That's when we we we think we thought it will go a long way. Yeah.
Well, we still trying to decide
which, OK, I know, I know we're running long. So I just have to ask you guys back this question because I feel like you are like that as well. Like, you don't feel like you ever fight. Check every.
No, I would say we seldom disagree. Is this like someone if you see something you look like, let's
do this, we, you know, and even if you don't like your phone, your phone just does this try things? Is it?
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I have to admit, I'm probably the more measured one who thinks about whether this one thing or the pros and the cons, you know. But Jack and Jack's first name was not Jack. It'll be gone because his name becomes.
Oh yeah.
I mean, everything that comes through. Yeah, everyone like client asked this question or whoever. Jack can Jack and me, blah blah blah blah. Sure. No problem. You agree. No problem. And then after that, bring a ray like Rick.
All this.
But if he's not Jack, yeah, he's gung-ho. That is the nice man from the podcast. Love it. That's really good, bro. Thank you for hanging. Today, we were
such a great catch up. It's been
so long. It needs to be much, much quicker that we can hang out together.
I really can't wait to catch gung and re performing together once again.
Gig again. Yeah. Oh man, we we we will love it. Hey, you guys take care. Stay safe. All the best for, you know, the all the businesses that you guys do.
Yeah. And the families as well.
And to the families. Congrats against Ray.
I'm sorry we didn't give you any fighting. You dodged a bullet there.
Well, Jensen, guys.
All right. Big Brother's.