Ep 666: Corin Hardy Returns

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Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number. Its number is six hundred and sixty six. Episode six six

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All right, so our next guest I just closed it. I I I think I remember. Um our next guest was last on the podcast. You know, we rarely repeat guests, but it was almost eight years ago to the day. That you were last year, which is crazy that it's been eight years. You look exactly the same. We look like shit. No, you look good. You look good. You look the same.

Flattery gets you everywhere. Yeah. Alright, hold on, Venmo. But it was let me look up the episode number while you do this,'cause this is gonna kill me now. It is. Eight yeah, eight years. It was like episode what what was it? Two eighty nine? Two eighty nine or two eighty eight. One of those. Yeah. So when we waste the eye, way back in two thousand eighteen, right? The pandemic hadn't happened Strikes hadn't happened.

It was a different world. Yeah. Totally different world. Um But you know him from the hallow. You know him for f as directing, I should say, not from. Although you usually like show up somewhere and stuff, right? Yeah. To Hallow, The Nun, uh Gangs of London and his new movie Whistle, which by the time this airs is out now. uh is how how would you describe it? It's almost like If you took elements

Of just a scary fucking movie, right? Like any Well, you know, like th those kind of curse movies like The Ring or It Follows, but that small town feel of the blob, you know, like all that kind of mushed together, thrown on a vinyl, pressed flat and Served to you directly in the fucking cervix. Well it's fantastic and if you like good gore, awesome kills, and a great scary movie, whistle is for you. Please welcome back to the movie crypt, Corin Hardy.

Lovely to be here. Finally see you guys again. You're one of my only friends who also appreciate Just stop it right there. You're one of my only friends. Who also appreciates love hate. Uh and uh I like we briefly got into the sport. You haven't heard the latest love it's not love hate, it's Jizzy Pearl's love hate. It's uh I haven't heard it yet, but now I'm gonna um go and search that out afterwards and and yeah, no I've been a big

Love hate fan from the start. I dream about that jacket. I think it's one of the first things we talked about when we maybe met at Frightfest or something like that. Yeah. Was Love Hate. So I always think of I actually thought of You and Love Hate earlier'cause I thought I'm gonna see Adam and Joe and then Love Hate comes to mind and Jeezy Poe. Yeah, I've got a a a leather jacket. It was one of my first sort of metal jackets painted.

And I've got s Alice Cooper on their signatures and and actually Doug Bradley's on there. And I met. Jizzy Pearl at London Astoria and he wrote Your Pal Jizzo and I was always quite pleased'cause I feel like I'm his pal. Just for for the further validation. I say that about pretty women that I just see at the supermarket. I'm like, we're dating

That was a joke. I was gonna say, where do you go with that? Somebody's gonna clip that and be like, did you hear what this creep just said? Good lord. Speaking of creeps, uh whistle, uh, where when did you come on board with this? Was it when there already was a script? Was this something you were offered?

So you you were saying I th uh just before we started that it was a different world. Or was did you just do that in the intro? I can't remember. It was a different world last time we all met, wasn't it? Yeah. Um and you mentioned the strikes and actually I got Sent the script Owen Edgerton's script for Whistle. Oh yeah, Owen the the longstanding MC of uh Fantastic Fest.

which I've seen now in the flash is um Wait wait wait wait so you you never got to go to Faith Whistle played last year at Fantastic Fest. Had you not gone before? I'd never been and it was one of those hallowed festivals I'd heard about and wanted to go, but you can only really go if you've got a movie, if you if you know, if you if you're cool enough in England and stuff. So Um, yeah, it was nice. We had our whistle premiere, it was the closing night movie.

But having Owen Egerton, who's the writer of Whistle and he is the sort of I it turns out, the legend of of Fantastic Fest and and Austin and uh yeah, it was like having a sort of personal rock star. Did he try to get you in the ring? I went in the ring. Wait, you did this yeah? Yes, I was doing it. What the fuck is wrong with you? I did it, but you know I didn't do because you did it for real, right? I did the Didn't they split it up now where it's like

Some people do the debate and then others do the pu the pugilist. Yeah, I d so they changed it this year, the last year, I th apparently for sort of like the first time for reasons that it was getting out of hand, I think, in the past. I'd seen uh, you know, I'd heard about this legend of of going in a ring at a Fantastic Fest. Owen asked me.

And I thought, Oh, it can't be real. You can't really go in a ring. And then I googled I googled it and watched YouTube videos and I saw the various ones, including you, and I was like, Oh my god, this is properly For real. I had I had the sort of fantasy of like wouldn't it be cool if I went there and I was like, Yeah, and I I trained really well and I

You know, destroyed. Yeah, but the problem with you Brits is that you're gonna fucking put up your dukes and shit like that and then I thought what if it's the opposite and I go there and get absolutely leathered. in front of everyone. It's like the non heroic story and you've got a movie out. So I was sort of secretly glad when they said actually we're not gonna do the what we've done in the past with the boxing. Um We're gonna so it is a little bit different.

I was really impressed with what they did because it was still like absolutely wild. They they got these um fully armoured Um martial arts, um what's it called? Um you know in cage fighters and MMA, yeah. So it's like mixed martial arts, but they're wearing medieval night. full armour, like metal armour. And they've got maces and swords and and spears. And so what it was they were like our champions. So I w I I went in um

What did I come on to? I came into Cowboys from Hell because I thought that's a good track to come onto Especially in Texas. So I was trying to weigh up what I should come into. So I came on, I did one of my flying kicks. Um and then uh and then I got up and I debate I was debating Yeah, what was the debate? I was debating um AI versus human craft. Now obviously. Who was who was against that? Well it was one of those I had to say. Yes, they were pro AI, but it was

a little bit um of someone of an organisation who j who was up there to be my opponent. I mean I was uh uh you know I was really I was I'd never done it before and I I didn't grow up in England we don't really do debates and stuff like that. It's I think quite an American thing. So I was a little bit like intimidated and I was on last so I got to watch all of these others and I was like because I'd prepared my sort of like my my stance.

which is quite a serious passionate stance against AI and how I feel about it creatively. But I had to do a like rapid rewrite on the night because I was watching like what looked to me like professional stand up comedians like absolutely going at each other in the ring and it was Hilarious and theatrical. It was theatrical and it was energetic and I was like, Oh my God, I gotta pull something out of the bag a little bit differently. So

And it was also like I went on at like one thirty in the morning after already having done like three or four nights of madness in in t in Texas. In in where were we? Austin. Yeah. And um So I I you know I I went up and and uh I got I just got everyone chanting fuck AI and that seemed to go down well. Sometimes that uh if you can get the crowd to like cheer like I had I had Nick Reffin and fucking Leonard Malton.

Both got like rooting for me like Samurai Samurai and next thing I know I get punched by Josh and that would then I then I watch Leonard Malton go Ooh One star for you my friend. But because you're at Fantastic Fest, that's how the script Wound up with you? Oh yeah, getting back to that. Well before I get back to that, so I did my debate and then we had champions that would fight for us.

Now I thought, Oh, it sounds a bit tame, it's like put on theatre, but it wasn't. It was like the leading they're called the blood guard. And they are like they were s and and now what I didn't know is I had like the leading the the like world champion fully armoured MMA fighter and he was brutal.

So we suddenly we stepped out of the ring and these two fighters got in and they did like three rounds or whatever you would have, two minute rounds. And they put their and afterwards we tried on the armour and the and and It's there was broken fingers and blood coming out. It was like scaliber or something. So it was really it was really i insane and and nice to note that it was still kind of like Still has that that fantastic fest spirit.

So that was that. We we did had an amazing week and then we had whistle. But um was that the f the was that the premiere, the US premiere? That was the US premiere, yeah. Wow. And that's so that was whistle's birth. Sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm not confused. This is like a uh

a non uh this is like a different timeline we're talking about'cause this was the premiere of Whistle. That was last September twenty two. We're putting the the cart before the horse here. Yes. So that was me and Owen hanging out and getting on really well. But a f uh a couple of years before

It was the dawn of the strikes when the writer's strike and the sag strike was ha just about to happen. I was sort of like preparing my next movies and suddenly the strikes happened and everything went into some kind of like standstill and around the time I'd got the whistle script which was Owen's own adaptation of this short story called Untimely and um and I had read it and it was also a Canadian Irish co production that was So it was kind of like

a a you know, a different sort of prospect as well,'cause I read it and I recognized these things that I really like found that I gravitated towards the mythology. Like having a horror movie with a simple, effective, scary and sort of mysterious mythology about this cursed object. Yeah. That's seen the movie already, or even the trailer, the the whistle, the Uh I mean I guess what else could you call it? The the the

Cursed whistle this Aztec phallus. So there's there's two of two hero ones that were made for the movie. Three actually. Three. And one of them is here and I'm holding it. For context. Corn corn came in with this box that looks like the DNA kit from one battle after another. And I thought that you were gonna ask me like to start putting blood into that thing and then he opens it up. IKEA presenterar ljud av förändring. På väg ut? Du hittar utflyktsrecepter på polarröd.se.

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Who uh who designed I designed this with a uh a Spanish designer called Daniel Carrisco, who's an insanely talented guy, d done lots of great stuff with Guillermo and other people and um He didn't speak English and I didn't speak Spanish and we had a great series of Mm-hmm. I noticed that behind him on the Zoom he had a he had a pair of gremlins and then my Zoom I had a pair of gremlins behind me. Sometimes all it takes is a little Chris Whalis, Rick Baker action to bring us all together.

No, between me sort of drawing and sketching and and uh acting stuff out and we had a translator, he um we went back and forth uh like went through about fifty different designs to to create this.

uh this final one. Um Yeah. What's fascinating to me though, like looking at this and looking at your whole filmography up to this point, like if we were talking back in the Hallow Nun days, right? But you could see that there was an and then you at the time were starting to segue into the possibility of doing like the crow, right? Yeah. Which felt like

f just from a craft kind of perspective, it felt like you were still adhering into this m more classical gothic kind of aesthetic. Whereas y you can look at whistle and it is on paper it looks decidedly different than what you've done. But then you watch it and like we were talking before, it's like once the vinyls start coming out and there's certain shots and the design of the whistle and even

character designs feel like they were clearly, you know, come birthed from your bloodline in a way. Thank you. But like wha how I mean Look, y and and I'm only saying this like look, we all need a fucking gig. You know. So to be able to take something that probably on paper, whether it was the script itself or the package or the people that were involved

it it comes down to look, you know, I wanna keep relevant. I wanna keep working. Yeah. How do I bring myself to this project? Because there's plenty of directors who are gonna be like I gotta I I gotta buy a house, you know, or I gotta keep that house or I'm gonna get evicted for my one bedroom apartment in Burbank. So I gotta do something. How do you find like when you're like when you read the whistle script? Did you feel like y you know, it it allowed you the

I guess breath to be able to instill your own Yeah like your own voice into it. Yeah. I mean like I was saying it was sort of

Three things that kind of came to me when I read it. The the first was this recognizing this is a really kind of like simple, strong mythology. We've seen cursed object movies with Hellraiser with the Configuration. All the way back to like a monkey's paw, you know? Yeah. Uh or the ring tape that you said. Um so it fits in the genre of a cursed object.

But I hadn't seen and I'd heard of the Aztec Death Whistle, but I've never seen the movie of the whistle. Have you That's one of the no that that's one of those things where you go, Yeah, why why the fuck? Why hasn't someone done that? Sometimes that's all it is. You know, has someone already done this? You know, and I was sort of like thinking and I was maybe I even had a Google to sort of check and I was like, it's amazing. This is a sort of semi well known ish or a recognized idea.

it is a very sort of like ancient, real thing. It has mythology. who gets super into it will then go looking it up. Is that an actual thing and they're gonna see all that. I mean, is it the the first one that will come up on YouTube is almost like a dare where there's like hear the sound of the the Aztec death whistle if you dare and you know, even it's a bit like Candyman, you're sort like Like, if you want...

want I can blow the whistle live on your podcast. I think you should do it. I'm gonna like my maybe yeah, do it at the end. Because anyone who's listening might not wanna hear that and take on that curse. Only our top tier Patreons will get cursed, so that'll work. So it's sort the mythology was a big And and or rather the sort of the object itself and then this idea of like if you hear the sound of that whistle it will call upon your future death.

your future death to come and hunt you down. And I thought that's also an a very simple, elegant idea because it's not just death will come for you or, you know, the girl in ring will appear or or whatever. It's like tied into your own personal fate. I had never seen that before.

you you manage to cheat death and now it's coming. It will find a way to get to you in an elaborate, bizarre way that's really exciting to see unfold, right? But it's not specifically like what is Joe Lynch's death that's waiting out there right now, watching you, that knows exactly what that's gonna be.

And if you blow that wheel It's called the IRS. Slowly coming for me. That would be a slightly unsinematic way to go, but you haven't seen how these guys act. I found that it's sort of chilling and it also makes people like, oh

When and what and and it's just like if you blow it it comes to visit you tomorrow. Well thankfully the characters in this movie all had extremely untimely deaths coming their way eventually. So Sure. Because some of the deaths, man, the one I don't want to spoil stuff. There's away. It starts with a sound of a train. Mm-hmm.

And it's man, it's it's really cool. I wish I had seen it with an audience because I watched the screen actually. Everybody who saw the movie at Fantastic Fest that I knew immediately texted me after and just said, holy fuck. Corrin killed it with the kills. Like and and that's one of the things that like F final destination. That's part of the reason why people went to the last one was be and and all of them is there is a promise of

gruesome kills, cinematic kills that you've either never seen before or they are, you know, wildly audience pleasing in one form or another. Or one thing that I think is It's not almost unfair is the idea that like you wanna see these people get decimated and y I'd say that most of the characters in the movie I'm like

I don't want to see him die, but that they're they're fucked, you know. I mean well who is it, Sky? Yeah. Who pi basically played your avatar. How did you know? I'm glad you said that. You can tell he I would I would I appreciate it. Guarantee that he probably shadowed you at all times to try to find it. Some egotistical sounding way, but

When I read the script, the other thing that stood out to me was like, This is my chance to do a high school, American high school horror movie, right? It's a sort of genre in itself. We all grew up watching'em. I was like, this could be my nightmare on Elm Street or the Blob or or Lost Boys. This is sort of in that world the uh a sort of bubbling teenage ang

um emotional uh romance and heartbreak, you know, uh heightened emotions and everything. And so I was I did, when I started working into pre-production and doing a pass on the script with the vision and the music and things like that to work into the characters. I really identified with Rel. I was the comic book nerd at school who loved art and uh, you know, fancy girls who didn't know I existed. And um I kind of

So I I kind of could really I identify with Rao. And uh when I when I cast Sky Yang, who's a phenomenal actor, he's great brilliant actor. And he came. from the t moment I met him, little did I know he was in character as Rel. So I got to know Skye as as the character of Rel. From the moment I met him offset throughout pre production and production

And then when I actually own when the first time I really met Skye was like y a year or so later when he came to visit me in the edit suite and I was so thrown because he's just this like English. Well he was he was Daniel Day Lewis. Yeah, he was. And to credit him, he was like I'd say a bit more like I know like Brad Pitt when he's in like

Twelve monkeys or or or true romance or something like that. Because he he he had recognised when he'd read the script that this character of Rao he needed to be sort of like a a bit absent and a bit clumsy and even his just mannerisms, he came up with this idea every time Rel walks into a room he does a spin. Like if he if you watch him he sort of like does this little twirl. Like it's just a thing. Um, but he he managed to tap into m sort of me and my teenage self, so I saw myself.

kind of reflected in the movie on screen and and including two when I when I when I was making that movie immediately of course I was like honing in on the director, but then when like Matthew Curry Holmes and I started kind of going back and forth

it was very easy for me to be able to project myself and like, yes, you would have a battle royale t shirt on. You know, like th those things make sense, but it sometimes allows us Yeah To put ourselves in the movie, even just to find some kind of relatability, because otherwise the the one of the pitfalls of a movie like this is that you can Other filmmakers, other storytellers, other writers can immediately make these characters so unlikable. Yeah, I was really conscious.

And it's so easy for like for that to happen. Like in whether it's in the casting. Yeah. Even down like the costumes. Yeah. Sometimes by the way, Teen Wolf uh reference. Yeah, there was a teen wolf reference. There's a lot of references in there, man. No, there's a lot of references. But it feels those are like those secret handshakes, they they go far with people. But the

the Revenger comic that's in it, which I'm also holding right now, which is a real comic. Yeah. Um, this kind of to me at least, this felt like For a brief second you got your crow like moment in there. Oh, the second he showed up with the makeup, I'm like there's a good story you appreciate behind that. So Owen had written the character of Rao

But he was a Green Lantern f uh fanatic. So the comic he had was Green Lantern. So, you know, you see him pouring over it. Y he's very forgetful. To set up his kind of clumsiness as a character is quite important for for what happens to him in his death. And um so th the comic played a big part in his identity. But this is where it gets you know, you have this weird d personal reaction'cause I I'm not a Green Lantern fan.

And never have been. So when I read it, never was when I read it I sort of couldn't identify with that part. And I know it's not all about me. But I was like but I also thought, well what's great about this character trying to avoid spoilers? He has a quite a big arc in the movie where he's going from a sort of lovable, clumsy comic book nerd And he kind of felt Which is something I did a lot.

Um And then he's gonna almost become him in a way to try and solve the predicament therein and and so it to me it didn't quite make sense to be him becoming a Green Lantern so much as that if this character The the the way to do that arc would be more like he becomes a crow or he becomes a punisher. Yeah. Um so plus we couldn't clear the Green Lantern anyway. So then I was faced with like Looking at me. Do we try and clear an existing character? But I actually

like the idea more of creating our own character. So I don't you know, and then you gotta go through under a lot of time pressure, clearance of names and likenesses and all of that. So I was quite amazed, I made a list of like tons of Cool sounding names and one was the Revenger and I was like so this must have been done already and taken. But amazingly that one was I was shocked. Yeah. I was like, Revenger, that's fucking good. The Revenger.

So, um I then obviously wanted to design that character in a in a way that was a nod to A sort of combination of Crow and Partner Shaw. And um and then with Rhell in Mind, played by Sky Young, when when we did a screen test and got him in the makeup. And the coat and things like that. And he in the movie he sits on a roof in the rain. Uh oh. When the shots going up on him on the house, it felt like you were just going like Like

Alex Bryant In the best way possible. It was it was a a real like nice moment to just like be able to go, Well there you go guys, that's a little bit

like where it would have come, where we would have been. Were were the because like a another thing that like w went with with this type of movie You generated your own kills, so to speak, with the Hatchet movies. You were the one who like you put it to paper from the jump. When I got wrong turn two, the kills were completely different. Yeah. They were

You know, they they they were done by writers from Smallville, let's just say. You know, no offense to them. But like a as a horror fan, as a gore hound, as a splatter punk, as someone who knew what I wanted to see. Yeah. That was part of the fun was to design these kills.

in a way that I knew would satisfy even the most hardcore fan. But also maybe not turn everybody off, but still sure take full advantage of the unrated you knowness of the movie, uh all the advances uh in technology in terms of the effect. Mm-hmm. W when you were putting this together because the kills in this, like the those set pieces, I don't want to just say kills, but they are set pieces. Oh that's fucking I don't know why at some point I said, Oh there's a lot of perishments in this movie.

And then I was convinced that's a real word. It's not, but now it is Guess what? It is now. So in these particular parishments if you will. Cornhardi's parishments. That's a fucking haunted house right there. Holy shit. W wait like because of and and this is something that all of us as filmmakers who have been working in this field for the last twenty years

have had to grapple with is the advancement of practical effects, digital effects and finding the symbiosis in the two. Hundred percent. I find that some of the best sequences that we've had in the last couple of years are from filmmakers who know use them both. Yeah, yeah. Combine them and and it like You know, we would always gripe about like, Oh, fake blood sucks these days. It's getting a lot better these days. But it's still if you don't have that mindset. You mean like visual effects?

Yeah, digital Which which is crazy now because I've actually heard uh when oh god, what we were in twenty eight days well twenty eight years later, Bone Temple uh last weekend and someone went

This AI sucks. But people are now calling C G Yeah. Which kills me. Which is fucking like you can't say the same thing. We don't want to go down that road. But that is something which, you know, you're like Oh, you can't have the argument with people Just because it is computer generated now they're compartmentalized.

When y like were those kills as close to the bone, if you will, on page and you realize them? How much did you kind of bring in because You know, like you were saying before, everyone's death is predicated on who they were and exact where they're going to end up in a final destination sort of way.

So you have to kind of have that mindset of like, well, what would this look like in a very particular way and maybe it was written in a certain way that Owen did, but yeah, these are so signature. Yeah. So how like how did you approach those sequences? So thank you. That was Parishments. Yeah, the parishments. Well Owen had done a great job of of laying out everything in this script. So I think, you know, uh it is a sort of faithful

rendition of that. But I I and I I'm trying to remember though I I did work into um, I guess like sort of strengthening ideas in mythology and strengthening ideas in the death. Um the one particular one which you know, I don't wanna spoil it but we'll say it sort of takes place in a bedroom but it isn't um it it's technically

uh the death didn't take place in the bedroom and s the thing that happened to him was taking place somewhere else. But um I hadn't read When when you're like you said, you're we're all horror directors, you there is a certain kind of like challenge to try and find something new that someone hasn't seen yet in in terms of a perishment.

But um uh you know, you're sort of trying to outdo anything that's been done somehow and it's obviously very hard. There's an awful lot of deaths in uh in all the horror movies we love. So when you do read one that you're sort of like hadn't seen before but was uh instantly it made sense and and it was an instant challenge of like how would I do that?

That's exciting. I mean it's almost the reason to sort of sign on to make the movie in a lot of ways. That that one sequence. Um Yeah, there was some that I'd worked into and maybe challenged and...

figured out. Um how do you how do you approach like again without giving too met too much away, but like that one in particular you're talking about, how do you approach that and say This is what's going to be practical, this is going to be V FX, or do you hire those departments and you all sit around and g and go, okay

How how are we going to work together to achieve this? A bit of both. I mean, I come from that background, you know, w you know, like you guys kind of grew up wanting to make horror movies and the first part was making monsters and

doing practical effects and that was my first love, you know, really from the age of about twelve was I wanna be a monster maker. And all my heroes were in Fangoria and they you know in England it was a lot more sparse. Um you know there was Bob Keane who's doing Hellraiser movies and Nightbreed and things like that. Um and there was a handful of them and I Do you remember the unholy?

I do rem I can remember the movie what I can remember the it's a movie that Bob Keane did where he it was a guy that was crucified and his chest was opened up. Yeah, I could see the Right. But everyone remembered that image. Yeah, it's funny. I I when you describe the image I remember that, but I don't remember the movie. No one remembers the movie.

But I will never forget, like when you said Bob Keane, that's the image over everything else. And part of it is because to this day I can think of it, I can even bring it up and I'd go, How the fuck did he do it? Yeah, yeah. How do you do it? It's so hard now, especially they're not working with VFX. Yeah. You know, and then if anything, you're maybe it's the actor and the prosthetic.

Yeah. And that's it. And I know enough about it to go like, okay, maybe they built the chest out so that you have more of a cavity. But when you get to the point where people are going I I I don't know how to do it. And it's such an easy answer now when people watch most you know, gore in movies and it's V effects, you just go It was probably some guy in Kiev rendering over thirty hours and just let it go instead of it being like magic. hand handmade.

things, tactile things, visceral things, things with texture layers. Even like I know that a a uh a practical effect, if you can s even see beyond it and know that it's a practical effect, is still gonna be more effective than a visual effect that ninety percent there, but you can see that it's like not quite and and that sort of a big turn off.

But um so I always start everything with a practical, you know, stunt, like a beast location, prosthetics or whatever it is. And also really well this was a chance with whistle, you know, there's I don't know, I won't say exactly how many, but there's a at least t two fingers two two hands worth of fingers in in perishments. So um with them as a sort of smorgasboard of Um it was like a menu'cause I wanted each death to be different from each other death.

I wanted them almost to represent a different sort of subgenre of horror if you sort of look at them all

the sort of body horror ones, the slightly possession y looking ones. It's like you kind of went through the greatest hits of perishments that got you off. But they were still unique. Well then it then it was like you know do You know, when you're in that period of pre production and you've got a limited amount of time, you've got I've got the script to go off, but I'm like, I need to render these, you know, ten or so deaths and I want them all to be like their own

magic trick or illusion or a set piece or a thrill ride. I want some to last a long time, some can be shorter and shocker. Plus you've got the visitations that happen before the the death sequences. So there's actually a lot of different looks. And then each each actor had a double and a stunt double and you know, suddenly it all builds up and you've got like D co you know, contortion and ancient crones who are kind of being played by two different contortionists for different

Movements. So anyway, it's definitely what I love most, and that's why I love sort of horror and because it allows for this kind of craziness. Norwegian presenterar Rea på tusentals upplevelser. Ra på tusentals semesterminnen. Titta på simmar. Rea på tusentals biljetter. Norigen har rea på alla destinationer. Bokan nu på noridien.se.

But it was yeah, you're uh y as the director you've got that internal challenge of like I don't wanna repeat something that someone else has done. Of course there's elements that are gonna do that and we you know, you can't help that. But you're also looking for those moments that will people will respond to.

either'cause they haven't seen it before or because it's sort of like I want I want things to be a little bit more like pushing the boundaries or be a bit out there or be when I worked on Gangs of London it was a real kind of like less

try and really take you on a ride when you get into an action sequence it does not let you go and you're sort of like Fuck where's this gonna how when's this gonna end or violent, it's so great. And and and sort of almost be so relentless that you y you kind of feel like you don't know where you are anymore and you don't know how far it's gonna go, how dangerous it's gonna get and

It was this was a different sort of tone, but I wanted to do you know, with the with the sort of harvest festival sequence, for instance, I wanted that to be quite a long Almost like chase sequence. Um Like where so was there an actual carnival that you went and shot at or did you have to bring all of that stuff in? I mean it was two it was it was it was epic. We had two long night shoots in Toronto and this was in November and it was

So fucking cold. And it was like minus twenty degrees or something. And it was and you know, we got everyone's in their costumes. Everyone's in those costumes. Yeah, exactly. And and and two nights we'd invested a you know, a a big sort of amount of I I rented a whole fairground. I mean it was kind of funny. We had there was an existing fairground that I went to and we went on all the rides.

And then we found out we could use this location, but they put all the rides away and then we w we were effectively hiring individual rides and there's a price for each ride. So it was like a sweet shop where you can only have you've got the bag of suite.

And you can pick the suites, but y you know, you have an absolute limit. So what I couldn't afford was the fairground I'd just been on. I could afford about a tenth of it. But I wanted to make it look and feel like the size of the one I'd just been on. It looked great, but as like All of us.

sitting here right now love Halloween. Yeah. I'm like, oh man, I need to go to that. I really wanna go to that. But that's what we want to do. Oh that maze and I wanted to But the maze, I mean no sh Jed Spence, production designer, did the numb with me.

She pulled out all the stops. I mean on the nun she built the most insane huge um you know, convent and and um chapel um that w that was able to be two locations like sh it was it was sort of the the sequence when all the nuns were praying and we could she also like changed it round so it could double up as two different locations and

With Whistle, I was really wanting to do a proper sort of maze sequence, so I designed with her like a series of sections of maze. I think there was five different sections in the end plus the what we called the spiral in the middle. And they were all pr big, they were ten foot high. They was as high as this the walls in here of bales of hay. And they were built on these big blocks on wheels so you could move them around but it was like

Huge you got lost in it. I kept every time I'd go in I'd be like getting lost and trying to find my way. And there was different sections. No. I mean we had well you know, we would shoot up and if you shot above the the reason the bales were so high was to avoid as much So if you shot above them, of course there was like ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud.

And so yeah, it w that was also another of the reasons I wanted to do the movie'cause I loved that environment, that kind of Halloween carnival. I you know, I remember it as being a teenager as being that like exciting, kind of romantic time and as fireworks and you get to dress up and kind of fireworks were such a good I those had to have been deadly. Somewhere and somewhere we had real fireworks. We shot all the plates.

Yeah, they won't be. How could they have possibly timed this? No, I mean there was again, it's always a mixture. So if you're c constantly mixing it up. yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n Mae'n ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud. help tide you over. So each of the sequences in Whistle has

a different percentage of but both practical effects, animatronics, prosthetics, puppetry. That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah. And some visual effects.

I mean how many times all of us we've had to remove uh wire that's that needs to be a little bit clean up, it's not it's not progressive work and then you get rid of it after. parts of this, um which again I'll try and talk around but you'll know what I mean is one of the characters gets whipped up into the air in a kind of spiral.

And um so, you know, we did this for real with a stunt guy. We c we had the character's great performance and what's happening to him and there's a lot of blood, a lot of lot of spray and I wanted that to be very sort of specific. And kind of you know, when you see something in like a Paul Verhover movie, the way that blood looks and the way the stump looks or yeah, it's like Shogun Assassin. Did you there's a sound in the movie in the fair sequence, I believe.

That sounds like it's straight out of evil debt. Was it? I'd like to say it was, but I'm not sure w w I mean there's so many sounds in that crawling after another woman. Yeah. And like a lot of the little things. Th the sounds that some of these uh I again I'm trying not to spoil it. We'll just say creatures, but they're not really creatures make like

You did this thing where it's like the sound is so abrupt as it starts, it isn't like a wind up. Yeah, it's just ah like that, like it just I mean Evil Dead and you know, Sam Raimi's movies were so sort of potent in my head when I was a kid and and they were imprinted on there so it's more like Trying not to just repeat them. But it it was one thing. It was like one sound, but it reminded me of that.

a lot, especially in that Harvest Festival sequence'cause there's there was that the catacomb section with all the lights. Yeah. That terrified me. I'm not good with small spaces. Yeah. And with the lighting and the sound effects in that, especially something crawling towards someone at one point. That really fucked me up. And that was all real as well. You know, we built the the the the maze and the tunnels, the bit you're referring to, there's a sort of as you get nearer the spiral.

Grace is it almost feels like alien in a way. It's very Nostromo esque. Exactly. And Bjorn Charpentier, the D P did a great idea with his lighting design. 'Cause we wanted a lot of movement lights and, you know, a lot of shadows and cha directions, but we had this sort of long wooden tunnel that was built to be exactly the right size for someone to kind of crawl through but still feel cramped. And we built the sides that you could take them off in different ways.

But Bjorn made this like bizarre projection that that threw these kind of like white strobes up and down and it made the tunnel just feel so cool. Like endless in a way. So lots of it was like a real combination of like lighting and smoke and the set design and everything. So I I just I l I kind of I wanted to make something like that that I wanna just spend time in and go to and hang out in and in in a way that was also what

what I try and do and what this movie felt like an opportunity to make a sort of teenage angst horror movie where you can sort of hang out in this fictional place, Pellington High. Yeah. With these Was that a nod to Mark Pellington? I should say it was Say yes. Print the legend. Say say say Owen was a big Arlington Road fan or whatever, because I'm sure Mark would be like totally a that's totally based on the

Again like I didn't see a trailer, I didn't see anything, I just watched it. You didn't know he was in it? No, I had no idea who was gonna be in it. So I was it was such a pleasant surprise. Like I mean I Nick there's never gonna be a moment where Nick Frost shows up and something and you aren't and does make you happy like oh man I'm happy now. Well working with him, how was that? Well I've known Nick for a long time through Edgar.

when Edgar was doing spaced with with um Nick and Simon right in the early days I I kinda like would come and help like with with a kind of toolkit and things like that and um I think I was being some extras and s if you look at the s early space

I'm popping up in there in in like the robot. I didn't know that. That's fucking great. You watch the there's a little you know on the DVD there's a trailer that's you're giving me another excuse to watch speakers. I mean it's a blink and you'll miss it.

Yeah, but and I'm doing a a sort of very overacting chewing some gum in a trailer. Oh wait, I remember that now. You have to with my shirt off. It's a it's uh it's that really. Oh, that's right, naked gum chewing guy number three. There you go, that's it.

So uh I've known those guys since then and I've always, you know, wondered whether I could get one of them into a a a movie of mine and Again, it's a lot of the time, you know, you have actors you wanna work with or music you wanna get in a movie, but you have to have the right movie, the right role, the character's age or the sentiment. um and and the music and things like that. So when we had this kind of history teacher, Mr. Craven, um

And then it was sort of like I wonder if I wonder if Nick this could be the one for Nick Frost but then you know, you never know you're gonna get anyone and their schedule and everything. So really happy to get him and um you know he he was a trooper because he pretty much flew in the night before we shot.

He had to do his wardrobe fitting that night with the jet lag. And then the next day there's Mr. Craven and we were shooting, you know, that week with him doing all of his stuff. Um but he also you know, we wanted I wanted Whistle to be a an enjoyable, entertaining movie that isn't a horror comedy but has

comedic elements and it's l it's got humor to it. Another movie it reminded me of was The Faculty. Oh great. And part of the reason why the faculty works even st even now, like I I watched it a couple months ago and part of the charm of it is to see Piper Laurie shows up or John Stewart as the science teacher, you know. Yeah. And it's never like deliberately a wink. It's just the charm of seeing almost old friends. Yeah.

in maybe new parts, but it it it endears you to it. So when Nick I knew that Nick was gonna be in it, but I didn't realize to what level and then when he shows up being that guy going like this is very fascinating kids. Maybe you should leave this here with me like and and you d uh sucks you into the movie all the more. He was brilliant and he got it so so

Clearly. Um and he brought you know, he he definitely brought one of the funnier lines um into the I think it was I don't think it was scripted his um line where he says, um what does he say? I uh well you'll have to watch it but you'll know the line when you f w one of his first lines. Um shit. I'm having to trying to think what it was um but yeah, no having having Nick and then also casting Michelle Fairley, who I'd worked with a lot in Gangs of London

Um, she was just like such an incredible actress. So in in a similar way, we had this role of Ivy Raymore who's the sort She's the sort of old character who knows the history of the whistle and is actually She was great. And I mean again it's a h difficult role to have Be the exposition dump. Yeah, pretty much and make that sort of mean something and and be Um she's in got this condition and and uh

She was again, she flew in, she was in the middle of Gangs of London season three. She flew in for the weekend, shot her two days and then flew back and absolutely nailed what she had to do in the movie and and I think, you know you need actors of that c caliber to to make you kind of believe what she's saying. You know, um But when you have actors like you like those guys as opposed to the younger members of the audio of the cast

Do you find yourself like going, Oh man, you know, like obviously Nick knows the language of horror. Yeah. You know, and and comedy as well, but he, you know, look he's been in many movies that are almost riffing off of what the rules are, the languages for genre, and Sometimes you have younger actors who are like Yeah, never watched those movies before. And sometimes, even just down to and I've had this happen multiple times on mine where

like for effects when they go, Doesn't isn't that done in a couple of hours? And like, No, no, no. Like this is a this is a long process. You're gonna have to sit in that chair to get a life cast. You're gonna have to probably, you know It's gonna be an odorious process. Did you find yourself having to school some of the younger actors in Some of the movies like I would always have movie nights where I would show them, you know, like like for some of the cast of suitable flesh

Some of the older cast members of Suitable Flesh who had never seen reanimator before and I'm like I get to show Heather Grimm Reanimator for the first time. This is gonna be interesting. Uh the cast was it was the first time in my life I was like the older guy now. Oh yeah, yeah, I know. And I'm like, Oh man, this is weird. like reference, especially music, they were clueless.

what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, oh my God, now I'm an old man. I I mean that was definitely the case'cause especially on on Whistle, it's sort of like I got I I went full into pre production. I'm in casting. And then it was only like delayed dawning on me that

This is like a teenage ensemble movie. And I was like, wait a minute and I looked back at what I'd done and was like, you know, The Hallow, The Nun, Gangs of London, predominantly all adult cast, occasionally there's a child or something. But this was like the whole thing hangs on basically like five twenty

Teenage or you know, that's that's why like the faculty came up for me because that up until that point you didn't see Rodriguez doing like a YA genre film before and then but there was something exciting about how like what he brought to it. And then same thing with you. what your sensibilities were brought into a subgenre. Right. Yeah, thank you. And and uh yeah it was just uh Did any of the kids know like some of the movies that you were referencing?

Percy knows everything. He was really clued up actually. He was he's a big horror fan. And actually I I think, you know, I mean I don't know what generation we're are we generation X or Z or whatever we I guess we're X. We're X. Yeah. That's best, isn't it? X is a cool one. Um but yeah, he he's a sort of like

uh what's it like old before his time. Like he he was Percy's a character that like'cause he plays the preacher. Yes. And I like he was someone that like usually doesn't get installed into a movie like this Or he's a much older character. Yeah. So like when his character kind of floats into the movie, it was like, Oh, that's interesting, not realizing how integral his character was gonna be into it. He's fucking great. He's a brilliant actor. He has such a presence to him. Yeah.

No, he's brilliant and and uh he he was he's a proper like die hard horror fan. But I actually was quite pleased to introduce him to, for instance, the blob, Chuck Russell. Um he had never seen it. Everyone needs to be indoctrinated into the blog. He was eager to like know. And he was waiting on in his trailer a lot for like, you know, on these freezing, freezing days when he had to come out and sit in a chair for like a whole day.

Um the yeah. The one I did in Malta, Bill Mosley was in it. Uh do you have do you know him? Have you met him before? I've never met him. He's very quiet, like just nice, really intelligent guy. afterwards when he had rapped and left. and I was showing the lead actress'cause she's like, Oh, I really miss Bill. He's such a nice guy and I'm like

Have you ever seen this? And I just showed her like a clip of him in Texas Chainsaw Two. That's the clip you showed. And she was like, That's him. And then I showed her Devil's Rejects again, just like a scene. Wow. And she was like I have no what the fuck off to she's like. That's such a great feeling. Yeah.'Cause she already loved Bill, but now like without him having to ever say it.

You know, I've also done some other Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess I I always sort of assume, especially with the horror stuff like You know, ev everyone knows what what we sort of know. We think and assume that everyone knows the greats and then you're like, Oh, what about the omen? Oh yeah, was that a T V show? And you're like, Oh no. No, I I s I did say um we we did a sort of I got them doing activities the weekend they flew in'cause they had like This was one of those like C C on set.

Yeah, well it was I think I got them a week before. They all all arrived and I thought I don't wanna just sort of sit and do rehearsals. I wanna what I think will be most useful is to sort of try and put them through some kind of or ordeal or some experience that's fun and some activities. So I I got a list of A w a sort of weekend planned out for them.

where they went to a uh the Dan Iabone's monkey gym which was the stunt coordinator, has this huge lovely mm space in Toronto. All padded, wires, really amazing place and Dan was fantastic and worked a lot of the creature performance. So they were able to like muck around on wires and having lightsaber battles and they played a great joke on me'cause I was late and I turned up and there was no one there and the Dan said.

You know, like Corinne they were pissed off and they've gone And I and I was like, What I know it's like the whole thing's gone terribly wrong and they all burst out of this cupboard like the the meddling kids in Scooby Doo and uh So Yeah. And so we so that started off, then we had um I cook we we did lunch and and a read through, but then I said I want to take you all to an escape room but I want you to do the escape room if you're up for it in your characters. So we didn't have to do that.

Like, I don't know, it was it wasn't based on something, it just felt like this would be a good idea and they all got quite excited about it. So everyone's having a drink, they're in they're replaying their characters, so it was like their characters got to meet and hang out.

And there was no script and it was a few hours and I was sort of adopting the sort of English history teacher cra Craven character as if I'm taking him on a school trip. But you know, Sky Yang as well was was able to sort of like be trying to kind of cat Ali Scobie who's playing Grace's Attention but Dean's kind of been all protective of her and then Daphne and Sophie were able to be sort of

side eye flirting and helping each other with trying to escape the room and Sophie is playing Ellie so she's trying to like be really intelligent and w figure it out and you know, it's little arguments that happened. So it was a really nice way of tr testing that out. But going back as well to the the th the age thing and the movies thing, that then the I said, Look, I want you to all watch The Lost Boys.

'Cause this is a sort of touchstone movie for the sort of tone of the movie that we're gonna make. It doesn't age. It's fun and perfect. It's like a vampire. Yeah. It's so good. And it's it's almost like the the the consistent tone of Lost Boys with the sort of the fun of it, the energy of it, of the energy of the banter, the back and forth, and the horror and the f and the colours and the cinematography is amazing.

So it's sort of like it's not like we'd we're doing a vampire movie or w Lost Boys isn't technically set in a high school, but it had that kind of look and energy. Smaller community feel with an ensemble. And and also just it's to me it's like a really fun, entertaining, scary, fun experience, like a roller coaster. So they they watched they rented a little cinema out and watched that. Um and then yeah, when I when we started shooting the next day, it was a n three days of night shoots our first

Our first days were three days of night shoots in Toronto in November minus fifteen in a pool exterior pool scene when they're in there like a Oh when the first whistle Oh shit. So I I knew that when we're doing that we're gonna be so up against it. I c what I can't do is sort of be stopping and having conversations about what's my character and how am I going to behave. So it really was a great way of getting into how many days did you have?

Someone asked me this already and honestly I'm not entirely sure. When it becomes a blur I know I didn't have I mean, when do you ever have enough days ever. Adam Adam has a it always says he had just enough time to make Victor Crowley. I'm gonna I'm gonna flip this table. Oh I mean I don't know, I mean no that doesn't it's fucking garbage. Shut up. Not the movie, I just mean to be impossible.

Yeah. But one of the one of the anchors that of the movie itself is Daphne's performance. She's fucking amazing. Great. And and you know, I I knew her mostly from her MCU work. Yeah. You know, or The Acolyte. Yeah. But this was something that like you you really needed someone to a lot of makeup and acolyte, isn't she? Yeah. Yeah. Um was she like was her character always queer? Yeah.

Yeah. Did did was there ever any pushback on that? The only the reason why I ask is I'm dealing with that now with a you know this particular script where there are certain states that will give you tax incentives only if you don't have anyone Who's queer or trans and everything? No, no, it it wasn't. It was I mean, you know, it's like Owen had written this like I said, I I had a lot of sort of

sensibilities with Owen. I hadn't met him when I read that script and w what I was saying when it when it began there was the strike, so I couldn't even talk to this guy. I couldn't You know, normally I'd read it and then you'd do some meetings with a writer and go back and forth. In this case I had to sort of take it, run with it.

And it was like a good few months down the line before I was able to meet and show Owen sort of what I was doing with the movie and luckily found out we got on really well and uh shared a lot of sim s sort of sensibilities. But um that love story was also as as

mm important to me uh uh like taking on the project'cause it just was written very naturally and it didn't feel forced or for any other reason. I the only reason why I asked it was because I remember looking like looking up on IMDb, I think it was like right before I started watching it just to see who was in the cast and I saw Chris. Yeah. You know, Daphne's character's name is Chris. I'm like, hmm, was this like one of those

Could it be a girl at one point? Because you know, be but their relationship there's even a shot. I don't want to give away where it is, where hands come together. Yeah. That's just the sweetest thing that you normally I can almost say like hear a producer going, You don't need that. Come on, focus on the kills But if you don't have it Yeah like I I really feel like the the reason why movies

work as well as they do in these sub genres is if you have the emotional component. Hundred percent. And if you don't care about Chris and and and and Ellie If the and their relationship more than anyone else, then you're there's they're just body bags waiting to be spilled open. Yeah. No, I was conscious of I mean I just kind of like what I look for as well in whether it's my own script or someone else's

is I wanted to make heartfelt horror that was non cynical, you know, it was sort of just how it should be. Whoever the character and, you know, whatever Whoever they are, you know, d they're in it they're gonna be like with gangs of London it was the c same, you know, we were representing a lot of different cultures and nationalities and sexual orientations and you wanna just

the thing they've all got in common is actually they're all criminals and they're all it's they're all in this underworld and they're all ripping each other off and murdering each other. So they're all treated completely the same. And um So, you know, with whistle I loved this amid all the horror that's going on, there's this quite sweet love story at the heart of it. But quite to quite sort of doomed in some ways, but actually it's also really important.

Chris's character is starting the movie in a really kind of dark place. She's kind of overwhelmed with grief. She feels all this like guilt for the death of her father. And the and the s the underlying story of Whistle is this quite positive one of like fight her finding the will to live and want to fight to live and and save her new um love. And so yeah, that was that combined with the sort of the other sort of

I don't want to say message'cause it's not like a message movie, but I I did the way Owen had introduced this concept of memento mori, which is the Latin phrase remember that you will die. Lamb of God song. Yeah. Oh yeah.

And it was it was something I'd been I'd been familiar with, including objects known as Memento Mori and like totem so to totems of death, but like reminding you that um everyone is gonna die. So we don't know when and you know live your life to the fullest while you can and, you know, be be decent and, you know, I I wanted the characters to actually be um

You know, you gonna you you kind of root for them, hopefully, you care for them and when they do die it's actually you know you don't want them to die. It's not you know so it could be kind of emotional. All right. Most important question I have. Yeah. Uh killers.

How getting that song, getting an Iron Maiden song for N Corre. When it popped up, when the album popped up, I was like, okay. But the song. Yeah. Like, so how did that how did that work? Thank you. Yeah, I love to do that. That's not about the music so people understand. I hope that you get somehow access to like for

You to drop the Spotify playlist from the movie.'Cause when I heard Joey from Concrete Blonde, which was every single time I broke up with a girl and she sends me that, I'm like, Oh God. Yeah. And then it just plays in the background. I'm like, Yeah.

I'm not broken up. This is fucking great. I'm really enjoying this song. But the soundtrack is fucking fantastic and it is so you. But what was the process? Well let me talk about the music and then get and get to p killers. Um like you guys, music's a really big part of uh it was like me, everything I do, I'm always listening to music and you know, especially when I'm coming up with movies or writing or reading or whatever. So I've got like constant like

like yeah it used to be compilation tapes, now it's playlists. Um with like either names or like types or or when I'm working on a movie idea, I the first thing I do is start making a playlist to sort of sort of feel out the mood and the atmosphere of the movie. And with whistle

I created a playlist called Death Lives. And um it has m maybe three hundred songs on it. I think I'm gonna just put it out there as well so anyone who fancies it can listen to that. Um And in it was a series of songs that like Joey Concrete Blonde was one of those songs I was like, I really wanna put this in a movie someday but you need the movie and the scene and it all to make sense and um you know I've I've I I've

That Tiger Army track, um, Dark and Lonely Night is another one where I'd listen to it. I was like, Oh, this is such a great song. It's got it there needs to be a scene around this song. Gunship did this great cover of of um Cindy Laupa's Time After Time. Oh yeah, that was great. And uh

Always Iron Maiden anyway and and then churches had this song called Final Girl. I was like, This is made for a horror movie. In fact it must already be in some American T V show and it wasn't and um Divinals and and um I touched myself. No, it wasn't, but it was a I think i I think it is um a little nod to Elm Street Four though,'cause I believe it's in that film. Oh, is it? Yeah.

Yeah and and I I grew up in a Um so yeah, I had all these bands and and um I I star that was one of the things when I was going through the script, I started writing the songs in of like this is what's gonna be playing. the reason why I was like I want to sort of make it's a contemporary movie it's set now uh but I want it to hark back to sort of like some of the style and look and feel of some of those movies like Nightmare on El Street and Dream Warriors and

the Blob and Lost Boys and Breakfast Club and s Fright Night and things like that. So I was kind of I came up with this idea is to sort of help

work into the characters um and and and sh and t show and not tell, so to speak, or hear. And I I I seen on like uh when I was on that um when I was on Twitter, which I'm no longer am someone had posted this album cover, this woman and said, uh, you know, my dad died, he left me his record collection and I'm I I'm listening to an album a day and and I'll post the artwork and I feel connected when I'm listening to his music.

And that was really like I I feel very close to that idea, you know and Um especially with vinyl and my brother Robin who also sadly died a a year ago and me and him grew up with uh listening to records Was he older? Younger? Yeah, he was five years older than me and um huge inspiration in in in the music side of things. We you know, he taught me all music, got me into Irmaiden and

Uh same, I had an um older brother who it was his KISS records and twisted sister stuff like yeah. And Robin got me and all my friends we all sort of followed in in the sort of rock and heavy metal. Um and and you know, so i this idea of inheriting an album f collection from someone who passed away was felt like a interesting idea for Chris. So

I built that in, the idea that she's wearing like probably her dad's military jacket. That's what I assume. It was sort of like a her armour, you know. I wanted her to be a sort of slight weirdo outsider who's got

parts of her dad's wardrobe. I mean that was more of a nod to like John Rambo really like her her wearing and I love seeing Daphne when she first put that on I was like, oh man, she looks like John Rambo And then but then the music was like Yeah, if this if this is her dad's record collection it can have more of a timeless collection of music.

secretly all my own favourite songs. And um and and I wanted that to be a mixture of different types of music as well. It wasn't as straightforward as just being like goth music or or heavy metal. It was a mixture and punk music and um all different bands really. So when that came into it, then I had to get to l clear the music and get the licenses. But quite a lot of them I had connections with or done music videos with, like the Prodigy were I've done videos for them, they were fantastic and

gunship uh are in there Rachel Stamp was my brother's band. They do that um Witches of Angle home which kicks in in uh the maze when she starts running into the maze. I think Owen had written Cab Callaway, um Saint James Infernary in there, so that was nice. that was each each piece of music you hear is either connected to Chris and her record collection or occasionally like with Rel uh you know I when you look at Rel's bedroom you see all that he's slightly more like

um comic book posters and synth world and gunship felt like a band he'd probably listen to and there. So y he his his sort of emotional heartbreak in the um fairground is is tied to gunship. So it's all sort of baked in there and uh really proud of that. But Iron Maiden was also like it's actually something my brother said to me, which was sort of like there's only two types of music, good music and bad music.

And good music doesn't age. And it's like whatever the music The stuff that ages and turns out wasn't very good is But like Good music. So you're saying like eighty percent of the eighties music? from the eighties. You know? Exactly. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's that's my jam. All of it. I all it is mine, but immediately it evokes a very particular time period where I think but it's I don't know. But I think like most things In the nineties.

it everyone was ready for something different and it was suddenly it was that type of stuff in the eighties was never good. It was garbage. There was nothing to it. It was vapid, it was stupid, it was and then like late two thousands, like the aughts come around and all of a sudden those bands are touring again and everyone's like, you know what? I actually I Yeah, I always love Def Leopard. Def Leopard's fucking great.

So yeah, it's like cyclical. But I suppose yeah and I and I mean obviously it's like, you know, it's everyone has their own different opinions and tastes and they're entitled to them. But this came th this this little phrase I remembered and and gave to Chris

when Rhell is first introduced and he's going through a record collection and he comes across a few different records and we feature I Maidens Live After Death, which was just always such a like an amazing incredible live album and incredible artwork and and so I just really wanted to put that in the movie. Um and and I'd contacted Maiden and I'd gr you know, become kind of quite close with them and um done some things with them and done some pumpkin carvings for their like legacy of the beast.

um and uh you know said look I really want to feature the spirit of m what maiden represents in a way is this sort of timeless um music and and I love the idea of a girl like Chris listening to that and and also through her father as well. So um and then and then I wanted to feature a track. And I I probably just like the first Maid now my herd was killers.

and it was um just scary, you know, it was f amazing and a bit like seeing your first horror movie. I was like listening to it almost a bit terrified of what it was, looking at the artwork of this beast, this Eddie on the front with the axe and the hand and trying to figure it out and That i I I i you know, I I was very kindly they were saying like what track do you want to use and you know, like obviously there's hundreds and hundreds

And I had lots of ideas but there's just a part of me that was like, It has to be killers partly'cause it's the first one that like got me. But there's also something in the rawness of those first two albums. Well it's different when you have a way to communicate directly with the artist.

Yeah. Before the other stuff all has to start happening.'Cause if if they're if they're into it and they wanna do it, yeah.'Cause like Iron Man doesn't need money at this point, you know. But they only they will only let their music be in in things that they allow.'Cause they're very specific. And amazingly, you know what, this year The trooper is in stranger things, said Number of the beast is in the Bone Temple and killers is in Whistle. Wait, did you see Bone Temple? Yeah.

Yeah. That fucking scene. He hasn't seen it yet. Oh, okay. Well you know that. Fuck yes. Okay. But it's that that's already a big movie. Uh yeah. Everyone who's seen it. Yeah. But the just so for the person living uh the the person at home right now, uh, who's trying to put their independent movie together, just like calling Metallica's management Uh you know, look, you never know, right? But it's usually there's gotta be something or I think

Uh it probably also helps in your case you have this body of work. Like they know they're not Their song isn't gonna be featured in something that they're gonna be humiliated by. You know, be like, Oh fuck, why did we say yes to this guy?

Um because we only have uh a limited time, I wanna get to our questions for you from the audience'cause we did get a f a few. And again, uh Corin was first on the show. Uh eight eight years ago, it was episode two eighty nine. Can you look at it up light of this? Um but yeah, if uh Everything about how he got started, the music videos, the hallow, the nun, that's all in that episode. Um okay, these are some questions we got for you. Two forty eight. Five minutes. Yeah.

Uh okay. Uh this is from Jason. Uh oh, this is an easy one. My man, no question. Just high praise. Gangs of London rules. Uh this is from Thank you, Jason. Lee. Our friend Lee, who has helped us with many a Yorkon. Uh hey Adam Joe and Korn. Korn, firstly huge fan. To me, the nun felt like the closest thing to a universal monster movie we've had in a long time. Nice. My main question, if you're cool to answer, it's regarding the crow film you were working on.

I'm a rabid fan of the crow, all the comics, some of the movies. And I wondered what your approach was going to be. A faithful adaptation of the graphic novel? A new spin on the story? I would love any info about your vision. Thanks so much. Take care and be safe, my American friends. Lee's from Canada. Lee. Thank you, Lee.

All I will really say is yes, it was the only way I could see there being a way of making a crow movie, um, was to be as faithful to James O'Barr's graphic novel and um that was I didn't want to do a remake of the great Alice Price movie. I wanted to do, um, you know, let's try and really go off James O'Barr's graphic novel and so I I kind of started with him and went and met him and um got to become friends with him and yeah, that's all I can really say about that.

Uh all right. This is from Eric. Hacorn, I can't wait to experience what looks like an atmospheric haunting and fun ride. Was the nineteen sixty eight TV short Whistle and I'll Come To You any inspiration to you? Until now, this is my favorite whistle horror movie, but I've not seen your movie yet. Um thank you for the question. I don't think it was in relation to this, although obviously it shares the word whistle. I've got a whistle around my neck just there that ps

That's not the actual whistle. We're gonna blow that out of the warning before we blow it in case you don't want to hear it. This was given to me by Sky Yang as my little rap gift. So that's my Rail whistle. Yeah. So no, but uh it's a great story. It's the one of those brilliant Ghost stories. Um okay, and sorry, uh

to anyone else whose questions we didn't get to, but we are out of time. Okay, before we let you go, um you've you've already answered the final question that we usually ask everybody last time you were on, which is the like what was the point where shit was so fucked up and how did you not quit?

People can go back to your original episode for that. But this whistle. Yeah. So again, if you are scared of such things and you don't wanna wind up with a curse, I'm gonna cover my ears. But Joe, you you know what? Blow this right at Joe.

Well we'll give we'll I get that all the time. I mean, if you could maybe do a countdown and then anyone listening, if they are concerned that after hearing the sound of this death whistle they might be visited in the next day or two by their future death, coming and hunting them down, they've got the opportunity to either stop and not listen or fast forward or block their ears.

It's the fucking best way to end an episode ever. But before we do that, whistle is when is it out? Whistle comes out in theaters Go and see it in the theatre, please. It's everything that we do as filmmakers is to see these movies on the big screen and whistle was really made with the love to do that. It really feels like a big movie. So yeah, Friday the sixth of February. Alright.

So uh and then I'm assuming because we saw their logo in the opening, it will go to shutter here eventually. Yeah, yeah. So it comes out in theaters um f February to sixth. Um we'll s uh it has its theatrical run and then there's a a a you know, a chunk of time and then it comes out on uh what is it, like the special demand or whatever and then shutter.

All right. Uh and I know you're not on Twitter anymore, but you're still on Instagram d throwing ninja cats. For the time being, yes. Yeah. For now. Still f like Figuring out maybe just ditching it over. See, I still have my letterbox. I just don't I don't don't want. Yeah. What if you if you Can have them but but know how to just leave them alone. I'm veering towards ditch and everything and just like living in the forest and enjoying uh human connections.

We'll c we'll come over and make pumpkins with you. Yeah, yeah. Come and make pumpkins. But for now what is your Instagram? Just your name, right? Corin at Cor oh yeah, so it's it's Corin Hardy uh At Corinardi. There you go. Where can people follow you? At the Joe Lynch. And I'm at Adam underscore F and underscore green. All right. But not for long. No.

'Cause uh we're about to summon our summon your death. Are you gonna do it for the two one countdown? Again, if you don't wanna hear it, uh the sound of the death whistle, shut this podcast off. No. All right. And is it gonna blow your levels or you uh ready for this? Maybe just hang back a little bit. Or blow a little butt that way. I'm gonna blow it that way but a little further back.

I'm gonna make sure I get I get this for posterity. Might be the last picture you ever take. What? This one? Mm-hmm. All right. All right. Here we go. In three, two, one. I thought that was fi- Marketing is hard.

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