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Just like that infamous Delta flight. Everybody, First, we are talking about, Oh, you thought that airline travel couldn't get any crappier, Well, how about the flight that had to land because it was covered in shit. Then Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner's relationship takes a turn for the poopy. They have decided to divorce, while Kylie Jenner and Timothy Shallomey debut their love Then Ruby Frank influencer turned child abuser. What this means for the future of social media and parenting?
And last, but not least, they're the last ones to leave. More than seventy thousand people stuck at Burning Man. Wow, that's my nightmare.
There are some lessons and takeaways. We're starting with poop.
We can't start with poop. Let's start with what's going on with us? Because you had a I mean, you want to talk breaking news. This was a mile marker moment. Everybody before we get to all those stories. Let's talk about a moment that might become a major historical milestone of our relationship. Chris Harrison got his first ever yeah pedicure.
I did.
This surprised me so Basically. I had just come home from spending the weekend with my mom for Labor Day. I was helping my mom clean out she still lives in the home that I grew up in, and my little brother. Shout out to Jonathan Zeema, God love him, but still hadn't cleaned out his room.
Terrifically successful lawyer, maybe the hottest rising star in the legal front in southern California, his childhood bedroom is a disaster.
Yeah, you know, turning twenty nine in a week I texted him. I'm like, hey, dude, I'm home with mom. I'm cleaning out your room. He goes, I was going to do that at Thanksgiving, I said, of which year?
You know?
I mean, It's funny. No matter how intelligent and successful he is, he's still my little brother. But I had a great weekend at home with my mom. She criticized me in the best ways possible. That always makes me feel loved, unless unpacked that in therapy later but so we come home and I'm like, you know, I just love to get a manicure, pedicare I've been literally digging, you know, cleaning dust and digging out artifacts of childhood
for three days and Chris says he's never gotten a pedicure. Now, you had had a manicure, I have. Why when I think of all the years that you spent in Hollywood getting pampered, how did you never get a pedicare?
I never did, and I have. I mean, I will brag on myself a little bit above average looking feet, like I don't have those bad dude feet that a guy's played sports his whole life, which I have. I pretty good looking feet, so nothing to be embarrassed about.
I'm gonna be honest with you. Your feet are fine. Yeah, I think you're comparing your feet maybe to like the horror of what a messy, gross sprat boys feet my own, just.
Guy guys that have been active their whole lives, you know, you.
Know, And I'll be honest, I can't really think of what any other men's feet look like like any guy I'd ever dated in the past, I can't remember their feet as we're sitting here now, so I can't.
I don't like to compare feet. But I've never had a pedicara. I got a manicure, and actually, the funny thing is the first one I got was with Jim Belushi. What back in the day when I was at ABC and I was at the upfronts in New York and I was at the Ritz Central Park South. They create this room for the talent and I walked in because I didn't know what was going on. You get a little powder on your nose before you go to this
upfront presentation where you're talking to the advertisers. John Ritter was there and then Belushi was there doing according to Jim, and he's like, Harrison, have you ever and I've never met the guy you you ever had a manicure? And I was like, no, sir, I haven't. He's like, sit down, He's like, you're gonna love this. And I got a manicure with blution. She was one of the highlights of my days ever at ABC.
So maybe you just felt you topped out with that, never get.
It out there.
So I just never went there with my feet. But and you know, I'm not against it. I'm in for a spa day I'm in for all the pampering. I love it. I just I don't know why I've never done it, but damn it, I love it.
And I'm are you in now?
Yeah?
Now I'm kind of addicted.
I posted about this on Instagram, and I had several women message me that they would take like their husband or even some women said their father like an older man and took them and then they became addicted. Now these guys regularly go get pedicures.
I was, I'm pretty comfortable with this stuff. I was a little uncomfortable.
Why.
I just, You're just you're walking into enemy territory. It's not your jam.
Oh, the salon isn't a familiar place for you, Okay, enemy territory.
It's not a sports bar, it's not you know, You're just it's unfamiliar territory and so predominantly filled with women. What help. There was a really burly, manly dude sitting.
In the middle of the what a handlebar must He had.
A handle or mustache, and he was.
You know what, that was a manicured, groomed man.
Yeah, And so I'm like, I'm.
Good, I get that because I feel that way. Conversely, sometimes like if I might walk into a gym and it's full of guys, then I sort of feel like the guys are judging me if I'm using the machines or they're checking me out. You feel a little vulnerable.
I was just gonna say, because Taylor, my daughter, says the same thing. She goes, I don't like to go to the gym because I feel like everyone's looking at me. I said, well, that's our perception.
But I will also say sometimes for women that is a reality. Like you know, women, are you go to the gym and guys are checking you out?
That's true.
Yeah, so, but that is our perception anyway, whether whether it's happening or not. And that was my perception. You walk in. It felt like that record scratch moment of like what are you doing here? But I quickly got really comfortable in the little massage chair and it was awesome. So I thank you for broadening my horizons. And I think my feet look fantastic.
I will tell you I can no longer hear them against the sheets, isn't And I.
Tell you this, I would never go barefoot on an airplane, even before the poopy plane.
Oh what a transition Okay, the first story. Everybody, I'm guessing you've heard about it. If you haven't, this feels like maybe now the most infamous airline flight of all time. Nobody's gonna forget this. I've had several people send me articles about this. I sent it to you. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it.
Well, now the video is out, you can actually see it.
A Delta Airline International flight had to make an emergency landing. The pilot said there was a bio hazard on board, and we've now seen viral video. What that biohazard was was a passenger had oh gosh, well, the news that first came out was that the person had pooped all the way through the plane. And when that first came out before the video was released, I remember I sent you the article and said, what do you think that means?
My guess was the only way you poop all the way through a plane is if someone is having an issue trying to get to the bathroom and they can't control it and they go all the way down the aisle.
Someone is having explosive diarrhea.
You said it. The video comes out confirmed that's the case. There is diarrhea all down the aisle of this plane. What a runway, a run's way?
A trail of horror on the airplane.
Do you hear the punt? I just made No, you miss that. Let me back that up and highlight this rea Okay, go, I just said it from the runway to the runs way.
I'm sorry. We just rewound the tape for that. It is horrifying to see. And it's horrifying to even think of. I the only thing that I can even come close to saying happened to me one time.
Oh god, where are we calling this?
There was a so you know, everyone can bring their dogs on a plane. It was like a thing like, oh, my dogs are a while it was a big thing. My dog's a service dog and you have this like eighty pound animal laying in front of you. Someone had brought a dog clearly wasn't a service dog, but you know it had the tag on it so great and this dog relieved itself. No on the plane in every way possible. No, And it was and this was just a pile of dog poo and it was so horrifyingly stinky.
What horrible did the person do?
They try to clean it up and then here's the trick that they You can't do it for a runway of diarrhea that goes the extent of the plane. But what they do is they bring coffee grounds out. So the flight attendants come and bury it with coffee grounds because that overpowers the smell. And it actually worked.
Wow.
And then the whole place smelled like coffee grounds, which was better but still for Yeah, so but that only helps for think about one small spot. This was an entire plane. I can't imagine you were confined in this tube. The smell, the screams, the you know, sitting those people that. It was a pretty big plane.
Think of a plane that's an international flight.
Yeah, two aisles on either side of those middle seats, so it was on if you're facing the front of the plane, it was on the left side of the plane all the way down. So at least those on the right side of the plane were like, what's going on? But I'm sure they were awakened to it when they smelled it.
Well, interesting about the coffee grounds trick of the trade. I mean, I was thinking the issue is airline floors are like that thin carpet, but it's carpet, So if a bodily fluid, and I've wondered sometimes why don't airlines and hotels just go with like a nice lamin it. But it's probably a slipping hazard. They don't want people that I get it on airplanes just for safety. Yeah, but then me run into this. I you run into this. Sorry.
So I I was thinking about how you when you were just telling that story and you said I have a story. I was like, are you going to reveal something about yourself? And I asked you this question, who do you feel worse for? Yeah, person who did the pooping, or the people who were subject to the poop, the passenger or the rest of the passengers.
I get the passenger, the horror of that, the shame I feel for those people that were on that aisle.
I have to be honest with you. I feel worse for the passenger. Yeah, because the people who are on the plane, I mean, look, I feel horrible for them. And also probably I saw somebody tweet something like, imagine you missed your vacation because like people, they had a major delay. They had to emergency land the plane, which I do think the pilot made the right call.
And it's interesting, what are you going to do spend another eight hours going to London.
Right, Well, I mean people couldn't walk up and down the aisle, you know, like I wouldn't have landed the plane for the dogs. One poop in one little idea. But you know, listen, this isn't the first. I'm sure babies have pooped on planes or people have thrown up on planes, but this was all the way through. But I feel the worst or the passenger, because everybody else is walking away with a gross but ultimately a story, and like one day they're gonna laugh about it, hopefully
this poor person. I actually they have not released the name yet. I truly hope they don't release the name of this person because obviously they didn't mean or want to do that. They have to be so ashamed. They had to feel so ashamed in the moment. I mean, what if it's an elderly person.
We don't do the same thing or yeah, so I like that.
And I saw a lot of people because some media outlets were posting about the story on Instagram, and some people in the comment section were even saying like, look, this isn't like we don't want to know the person's name. We feel bad. This could be you know, it could have been someone who's very ill. We don't know, yeah and so, or it could have been somebody who's really hungover. And get yourself to the back.
We can get there. Who knows why. I mean, I but if you put yourself in those shoes, could you imagine you're just like, I'm not gonna make it.
If this person's name is released, everyone, this story becomes so much bigger. I mean, by the way time of recording. For all we know, it could be this person is doing a sit down on the Today Show.
I just hope they get to live in obscurity. And it's just the fact that.
No I can see the footage. Now they're going to take them back to the plane. They're going to do a reenactment, walk them through the.
Plane, dramatic reenactment.
Okay, I was really thinking about the logistics and then I'll be done with this. When I first heard about it again, when you hear all the way through the plane and then you see it, I was just thinking, Okay, I don't know, like, we're not all unfamiliar. People have had food poisoning, We've all had our moments. Whatever, I'm thinking, how do you not? First of all, how do you not get to the bathroom? It had to really be bad. But second of all, like I'm like, was it a
person in a dress? Because even if you boop yourself, it's mostly contained to your pants, Like, how does it get all the way down that much?
Yeah?
Like that, because it's a lot. It's like someone ran down naked.
Using my deductive reasoning, my detective skills, my investigation of journalists, hat I'm saying this person was wearing a dresser skirt.
When I had young children, we would call that a blowout, and that happens from time to time.
I have to be honest, I don't understand this. I've seen it, like a baby's wearing a diaper, but somehow the poop's not in the diaper, it's on the clothes.
So sometimes it's so impressive.
That it goes through the diaper out the sides. Oh, there's just so much.
There's so much, and it's just force full and it's a blowout and you're like, oh, there's that onesie and then you burn it. And which is what they should do with this plane. I hope they destroy this plane. The plane should be humanely destroyed. They're not going to the has Matt crew that has to come on. And that's the other thing. Think of the crew that has to come on and clean that. Howeveryone got off that plane and had to crawl over to the other aisle.
Just oh man, my heart goes out for everybody on that plane.
There were people who got poop on them on that plane, for sure.
I'm wondering how many people got sick, Like how many people just threw up, were gagging like there had to be a lot takeaway. Don't eat the fish we went offered on a plane, you know, go vegetarian, don't eat the fish.
Here's the thing, it's horrible to be sick on a plane, regardless, like if you're ever in that situation, being in a plane bathroom is horrifying. And this just this takes the chocolate cake. Okay, enough enough poop talk, you know what, Let's take a turn to just like celebrity drama gossip to get us out of this. But you know, we're going to turn to somebody who's not in a great place.
Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner. This was a bit of a shocker announcing they're divorcing after only about four years of marriage. They have two children, so I mean, our hearts go out to them. But they were a pretty like publicly happy couple. They would do cute little TikTok videos together and like gush about each other. But they did just both release after a few rumors, a few
TMZ reports, they did both release a joint statement. And when I say both release a joint I'm sort of over using my words because their statement over uses the words a little bit. It says that they have quote
mutually decided to amicably end their marriage. Now, I think part of the reason they're so emphatic on the mutual amicability of it all is that there had been over just the past few days, some major accusations, reports flying reports that you know, his ring is off and that he saw something on a ring camera, a lots of ring stuff that made him decide it was over, and reports from sources that she's out partying and he had the kids even though he was on tour, like it
was getting very nasty. And I'm glad glad they release that joint statement, but it makes me my spidy sense is going off that somebody's like out to get someone here because there's just a lot of details, alleged details out like the ring camera thing, that are kind of trying to really it really sounds like whatever these sources are, they're trying to make Sophie Turner look bad here, and it makes me think it's going to get nasty.
There's a lot of sources. My guess is their team or even their their separate teams are trying to get ahead of this clearly today and tomorrow and trying to squelch this stuff and control it. It's because it sounds like the sources are out there TMZ saying stuff, but it's they're trying to control the narrative as much as possible. But I agree sometimes when this stuff starts rolling out, it's it's going to get out.
Well.
Wishing them all the best, but yeah, my spidy sense is going off here that this might.
Get a little dark, ugly before it gets better. Yes, is there good news in Hollyoo good news?
I'll see this falls right down the middle Kylie Jenner and Timothy, although I believe the correct pronunciation is timote chala May Timothay. He is part French and speaks fluent French and has an accent over the first e of his name. They made their public debut at Beyonce's Big concert in LA this week. Lots of celebrities there as
Zendea there and Tom Holland. By the way, the cutest footage of Zendaya coming into the concert with like Kinta Brunson and some other amazing entertainers and Tom Holland just following her filming like being such a good Instagram boyfriend. So shout out to Tom Holland. I love how obsessed he is with her. And so Kylie Jenner, the Kardashians are there, Kendall was there, Kim was there. I think Chloe and Chris are there, and then Kylie and Timothy,
and there were rumors that they were dating. They've never like really gone to an event together, but at the concert they're kind of hanging all over each other. But there's been mixed reviews from the people on the slope.
Oh really, people are not in favor of this?
Well yeah, no, why why?
Well because they're taking Timothy Shallomey off the market because he's such a heart throb.
Or I think people are struck by what just feels like an odd couple. It's just two very different corners of Hollywood.
And careers, and people don't seem to do great when you do get involved in that entire family.
Oh my gosh. Well, people are bringing up this photo from years ago, which I'd forgotten about. It's a photo They're at Nobu Malibu getting dinner. It's like a group of guys and in the picture at the time years ago is Kanye West, Timothy Shallomey, and Pete Davidson. No way, so obviously Pete Davidson and Kim Kardashia dated Kanye and Kim,
and now Timothy is dating Kylie. And someone said, like they're You could write at this point truly thesises, theses papers, turn papers, grad study papers on the lore of the Kardashians. They are like the modern day Shakespearean tragedies of love and lust in Hollywood?
Are they the Kennedys. Oh, almost to that level of you want to be seen with them, but it really doesn't go well. But like there's drama and there's a price to be paid.
Oh you're no, You're that's a very good There are modern day Kennedy's. Because with the Kennedies, it's like so many people in the family were in the headlines.
Pork to Calabasas.
Oh my gosh, Calabasas is the modern day cake. Anyone for it? You are so not wrong about this. Well, think about it, truly. I mean they could be part of like a like I feel like in colleges. Now, there's probably when I was in college was when reality TV was kind of first starting to really get big and being taken seriously as like a medium. But we had film studies courses. I'm sure there are or will be reality TV studies course.
There's courses on the bus. There were courses on the Bachelor. I spoke. Oh yeah, I had a lot of people reach out to me throughout the years that they were taking this studies class, and it was based on The Bachelor. Now it would branch off into like humanities of something about relationships or something like, they would take stuff out of it, but it was kind of based around the concept of the Bachelor, like group dating and mass dating and dating on TV and the phenomenon of it all.
But yeah, totally wow. I mean, look, there's Harry Potter class.
I know, I was about to say, and I wish I could have taken one there's Taylor Swift classes as their shit, you.
Know those layup classes when it's just an easy a that would have been you and Harry Potter.
Oh my gosh, by the way, big shout out to Beyonce, because I had a couple of friends in La go to that concert. Everybody said it was just phenomenal. And I'm loving this summer of female like women killing it in their careers, putting out incredible products. Taylor Swift in the air store, Beyonce in the Right Renaissance Tour, Barbie Greta Gerwig, Margot Robbie crossing the billion dollar mark at
the box office. And I saw a headline the other day like Hollywood, wake up and see the spending power of women. Women control a lot of the check books at home.
No, no, not some all. Yeah, I mean if you look at why is I mean, I'll go back to the Bacheler Why is the bacher so successful? Only because it crushed in the demographic of women eighteen to fifty four year olds. That is the demographic that General mills, that Chevy Toyota everybody wants to hit. That is the demo because they make the decisions on buying traveling. That's
why we traveled so much. People loved it. You know, there's the decision makers are sitting on their couch at home looking going, yeah, I want to go to Barbados, I want to go to Bora, Bora whatever.
But for sure, Yeah, it's like that quote from a I rewatched My Big Fat Greek Wedding the other day and jow Holds a hilarious movie. My family always loves that movie. But there's that line where her mom goes, the man thinks he is the head of the house, but the woman is the neck and she can turn the head anyway she wants. So I wish that Hollywood would take note, like, ye, it's the frustration, and I felt it weeks ago when it started coming out. Okay,
Mattel sees that Barbie is a huge hit. So Mattel's responses, We're gonna make movies from all corners of our toy universe.
No, that's nary answer. That's not the sign we're giving you.
We're sick of franchises. We want original movies. Again. I can't think of I mean, I'll put Barbie in this category, but over the last ten years, I really can barely name movies other than superhero franchise movies, and I certainly struggle to name movies that would be rewatchable classics from the past decade or so. But then I look at like the nineties and the early two thousands, so many of those movies I just said, I rewatched My Big
Factory Wedding. Those movies became class We need original movies to be good again, to touch our hearts again, just like Barbie did to make us laugh, to make us celebrate, and those are the films that stick with us. And I wish Hollywood would see that.
What was that those questions on the SAT where it's like this plus this equals this and you had to like kind of figure out. I don't know how Hollywood executives have put this theory together. Barbie plus the box office equals rock'em sock em robots, Like, how are you making that correlation? That's not what we're saying.
No, and the box office couldn't be screaming louder right now. I'm happy to see both Barbie and Oppenheimer setting records.
And to your point, I was just racking my brain trying to think of maybe you can go country right now. I know, like our friend Parker McCollum's killing it, Morgan Wallen's killing it, and Luke Combs. But I can't think of a male driven band or tour that is is coming close. All I know, it's not coming close to Taylor Swift, but it's also not coming close to Beyonce. Like those two.
Nobody else is in the conversation.
The SI.
Is printing money. He is, so he's on that level for sure, but those two.
But I think you're talking about also more than money. You're talking about a tour that's in the conversation of artistry, of perfection, of the craft.
Of shaping the social conscience. It's what we talk about as well.
They talk people are dressing up thematically to go to Taylor Swift and Beyonce. Everybody was in like their silver for Beyonce. People dress up as the eiras for Taylor Swift, the friendship bracelets, you know, Taylor doing the surprise songs, Beyonce bringing out like Diana Ross for her birth. There's just so many like these two women are at the pinnacle of their careers and it is I mean, we
are alive to see something special. I will make one more note about Kylie and Timotay, which I love the tangent. We've gone off of them for this. But he was smoking at the concert. Yeah, like a cigarette smoking cigarette smoking. Yeah, I have something scary to say. I think smoking's back for the youth.
I mean, it is what smoking's bad for you. Why is any back for the youth?
Well, for sure, we knew kids like it's way on the rise because of vaping because what's scary with vape pens is you can't smell it, like they can sneak it more. And I don't think they're I don't know. It's like we're all like pretending that it isn't as bad for us as cigarettes, but it it's such a it's always a bit of a striking reminder when you see a celebrity smoking. By the way, secrets revealed, lots
of celebrities smoke. A lot of them smoke, FYI, everybody, you want to know one of the big ways that a celebrities stay thin. So many actors and actresses secretly smoke.
You're right, it is on our set. A lot of crew members. A lot of people smoke still.
Yeah, people with hard jobs when they work long hours.
Coffee and cigarettes, and I'm like, it's not nineteen seventy eight anymore. How are you smoking?
It smells disgusting, You taste disgusting.
Yeah.
By the way, So we have two secret stories I want to bring. We're on the Kardashian I have a story for you. This surprise story ripped from today's headline Kanye West. Venice police are investigating Kanye West and Bianca Sensory after the couple were seen in a racy position. According to The Daily Mail, they are saying that yes exposed butt cheeks during their Italian trip disregarded their standards
of public decorum. The police are also asserted that the pair's picture show them in a state of intimacy in Venice, Italy, by the way, not California. Basically, it's it seems like maybe they were on one of these boats.
West was snapped with his trousers down in his bottom exposed, yes, and she appeared to be crouching between his legs.
You can connect the doll.
Following the release of the photos, the boat company issued a statement declaring that the famous couple are no longer welcome on future trips and have been banned from the company.
So there you know picture picture. You know Venice and those cool old wooden boats, not the gondolas that they paddle are around. It's like you're on a motor boat going through the big canals. That is what they are on. And it seems maybe he was being pleasured of some sort sans Trousersanye, So it is the most romantic city in the world. I think maybe they took it a little too far. Thoughts on Kanye and Bianca.
This isn't no way acceptable. This is completely unacceptable.
There's a driver on the boat, by the way, there's someone else on the boat.
You're in the canal, you're in public view of the world. I don't And also from these pictures it looks to be the middle of the day, daytime.
Yeah, this is not in the middle of the night on the Grand Canal. You know, you're kind of out on the water, can't be seen.
This is Look, I'm no prude, and I mean I don't think I'm that prudish, and I get that everybody everybody in some point in some relationships probably had want to have a little public dalliance, like be a little naughty or something. But this is the middle of the day in one of the most visited touristy cities in the world. And by the way, right now, the Venice Film Festival is happening. There's a whole film probably.
While they're there. And by the way, you are the most one of the most visual people in the world. People all eyes are on you. You know, people are taking pictures of you. So I think we agree this is a no go.
What makes me sad is she looks so much like Kim Kardashian. Yeah, and you know, Kanye Wes is in a dark place, and I feel bad for him in the situation. I feel bad for him. I feel bad for their children.
It's not great, agreed, What is your secret story you're bringing to the table today?
So I'm throwing this at you because you have not looked into it at all. I am surface level aware of in reading some headlines, but I'd never heard of this person before. But it's very interesting to me an influencer. I hope I'm pronouncing her name right, although maybe she doesn't deserve to have it pronounced right. Ruby Frank This woman is a mother of six. She had a popular YouTube channel with about two million subscribers. Before it was
taken down earlier this year. And she also had presence on other social media platforms TikTok and more, and she would post about parenting and she's been arrested for child abuse, not jeez, And apparently she would like post things about her parenting techniques which included things like briving her children of food, like she posted that when she was sort of boasting in one video that I think has now been removed, that her child's teacher had called and said,
you know, your child came to school without lunch today, and she said, well, yeah, that's because my kid messed up and forgot to make their own lunch. And I'm teaching them the lesson if you forget to make your lunch,
you're not eating. So apparently she's been arrested for far worse than that one of her children escaped through a window of her home, or a child escaped through a window of her home, ran to a neighbor's house for help, and official said the condition of children that they found was so severe that they were taken to a local hospital. So it's really wild to me. I think that this was all in such plain sight, right, like that this person I mean two million subscribers on YouTube.
Yeah, this person is revered on social media for being a good parent and knowing these skills and teaching.
I mean, I can't say for sure revered by all. There might have been people subscribing to or following, like out of fear, out of what's going on here, trying to expose the truth and asking hard questions, but I mean two million at some level, Yeah, you had some people listening to her.
My takeaway from just listening to this for the first time. There's a lot of this on the internet obviously Instagram, TikTok and all that of people that like stuff I watch. I love food stuff, and so I listened to certain people on what to eat, what not to eat. Even some of those people seem like they're in the know. I don't know them, and some now are being exposed for not being doctor's nutritionness, etc. Yes, same thing with workout people. I follow out of workout people, and.
So everyone's an expert there, everyone's an expert.
Just because you have a million people on TikTok or what have you. And parenting is the same and it's just you know, things are not as they appear to be. Just because someone looks good and has a nice ring light and their kids are dancing doesn't mean they are an expert. We have to be very careful in this day and age.
Well, I think that it's a lesson yeah, and asking questions. You know, who am I really listening to here? Of course, the power of social media is that it, you know, can expose you to new things. Can I help you learn about things you didn't before. There are people who felt isolated in issues and now can connect with others. And then there's this other side of it. And I do think that we're on the crest of a wave when it comes to what people are able to show
and share about with their kids online. Because I saw it, I believe it was an Illinois, my home state, just passed a law involving like how much parents have to share money that they make on social media with their children, because, like think about it, this is sort of the new
version of a child star. I think Kali Culkin, I believe, you know, famously of Home Alone and many other movies as a kid, I think he became estranged from and sued his parents for like like money that you know, he was the child actor he'd made the money, but his parents kept that money.
There's a lot of those stories child athletes stars.
Yeah, yeah, I think we're going to see that now. I mean, obviously this is abuse. This is a whole different story. But you know what can be considered abuse? Is it child labor? If you're making your kid like you know, just.
Kind of do videos with you gabbled into that Michael or story and the Blindside story with the Twoey's.
There are a lot of very gray areas, and I think we're going to potentially see some new laws be made here. But if nothing else, it's such a lesson in questioning what you see online.
Yes, don't just take it for what it is, like, take it with a grain of salt. Actually, to put it back in nutritional terms, let's end with a kicker. Let's burn this thing down. Oh my gosh, the disaster that is and was Burning Man. Now do you know much about burning Man? Because I really didn't. It's something I heard about.
You know what, I realized what I thought it was a music festival. I'm not sure that it is.
It's not I thought the same thing. I thought it was like south By Southwest or like a yeah, So it started back in nineteen eighty six when these two dudes in San Francisco, I think, burn what appeared not a man.
I know, they burned this like big statue or structure that.
It was a man in the statue. They burned it on the beach or whatever, and they called it Burning Man, hence the title, and this thing took off. Now they go to the desert in Nevada and there is this seven, eight, nine day whatever it is, existentialistic escape. They create a city out there at Airport Medical. They create everything out there in.
These because something like seventy thousand people go.
But they create a living city to where people just go, dwell and exist. And there are musical acts. So it's I wouldn't call it a festival, but a lot of musicians and stuff do go.
And the New York Times, I just pulled this up, describes Burning Man as a nine day celebration of art and self expression held in a temporary community about one hundred and twenty miles north of Reno, and the festival has drawn around seventy thousand people in recent years.
And people get dressed up like it's Thunderdome.
I mean, it's I mean, and sort of famously different celebrities will go. I think Leonardo DiCaprio is often seen.
There, often known for the drugs and the hallucinogenics. That's a very burning.
Man, right, I mean, I think when you hear that it's a celebration of art and self expression, you assumed some drugs, allucinogenics.
But this burning Man really came to a screeching halt due to the fact that they had torrential rains. They're in the desert, and if you've ever been in the desert, it's very dry until it's not. And when it rains, it pours and it floods and the dud dust turns to mud.
And it became very scary. People have been trapped.
For for days days.
Yeah, they were advised to conserve food and water for safety. There are stories of people saying they did a treacherous, you know, five six hour hike through mud in the darkness to get out. And by the way, it doesn't seem anyone was safe from this. I saw that, like the Diplo, the musician and Chris Rock, I think we had like hiked out together, but they're like, no, no, we like hiked out like everyone else. We didn't have some special I mean, I don't think emergency vehicles could get to people.
No, it was the mud closed all the roads. Nobody could get through. Everybody was just stuck, and so they stopped everybody until today actually, when the mass exodus took place and some seventy three thousand people tried to exit at the same time, cranky, tired, probably hungry. They said the lines were over five hours long to get out. Now they're saying they're putting on a brave face, saying, well, it always takes hours to get out, but it has never been like this.
I gotta say, this is a reminder for me. I know of why I don't go.
I know I'm with you. I'm with you. I did one time.
Here's my issue.
I'll never do it again.
At the in the best case scenario, you're still kind of surviving it. And I mean, I wish there was a better word than surviving. But in the best case scenario, if you do a festival in the best way possible, we're the most expensive VIP tickets that you can get, You're still going to the bathroom in a porta body. You're still sweating your butt off, You're still making your way through mobs of people. You're still like trying to get a drink in some food. And that's when you
pay top dollar for your experience. Like, that's what I don't understand about the festival thing. I mean, you're choosing to go to the middle of the desert even if it hadn't rained. I don't see the appeal of going to sweat my you know what off for nine days in the desert.
You know if I will in August, Yeah, because on a good day, it's a thousand degrees. On a bad day is it's storming and it's flooding. But if I said to you I really hate this person, I'm going to torture them. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna rag them into the desert. They're going to be stuck there for four days.
What it's like how they killed people on breaking back exactly, Like I don't understand.
So so weird. We're not in for Burning Man twenty twenty four. So don't don't reach out to Elsie and I on the most traumatic podcast ever.
But I will tell you what I'm in for, and it's bringing it back to our very first story. Yeah, several people were saying, okay, when are we going to get just like we had with that infamous Fire Festival few years ago. You remember that festival was supposed to be a music thing and it was a total disaster and people were like eating slices of cheese to get sustenance.
When do we get? We hope there are crews filming for the like Netflix documentary about both this year's Burning Man and the Poop Plane.
Well, and you know you weren't here, Marie Manunos is filling in because you were at Camp the Experience camps.
You know.
Fire Festival dude is out of jail and already talking about rehashing this. He took his time, I'm in jail, wrote a fifty page manifesto of how he's going to do it now, and he is back trying to make this happen. So we might have another documentary on Fire Festival Part two as well.
It's a scary word manifesto. I know that never really indicates no.
It's it's not going to end well. But this ended well.
I mean we're not walking through an eilish, I'll say that, or.
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