This is Dramatic: Spilling Sex Stories

You're a significant other for the next four days. Just know he's sitting in front of a TV or he's like in the toilet, sitting there secretly watching, trying to find a moment. Totally. Look, I support you on it. Luckily, by the way, your kids are grown, they're in college. We're not like worried about parenting small children or something, because I think you could sit in front of that

television for four days straight. Yea. What always fascinates me when you and I talk about golf and look like we said, we both love our we have our things, we have our passions, Like you're not going to home goods with me, but golf if it is a time suck man, I mean you can you go play it's four or five hours. You watch, it's four or five hours. In this case, you watch a tournament. It's all weekend. I don't have an equivalent activity there mt Well, I mean,

but I don't. Yeah, I got nothing. We got and there's nothing where I'm like, see you in five hours, there's five days, see you in five days. But Chris, I mean, look, he's a fan. He is a very cute Augusta national. Look I know where it's played now five years into our relationship. He has a blanket from there. He has a mug and I set them out for him on the couch for him to watch and comfort it's raining outside. Cozy up with the men you love. Life couldn't be better, except I have one bone to

pick with the world. Wow, doing this on Easter weekend? Can we not do this on Easter weekend? Is it an Muster weekend every year? No, it's it's just the way the calendar fell. I digress. What I really wanted to say about the most dramatic podcast ever is that we're doing things a little different. We're going to kind of split things up a little bit. So we're gonna have an interview show, but today is just going to

be about headlines. And then later on there is a very special interview with Megan King Real Housewives Meghan King phenomenal questions to ask her that'll be dropping very soon as well, and then the Master's Golf Edition. No, I won't do that to you. I promise I won't do that to you. Maybe someday I bring on one of my friends who are golfers, because I do find it interesting the life that they have to live on the road. It's kind of like a rock star life with their wives,

their kids and how they make it all work. But that'll be for another day. I want to dive into headlines that hit home to us, and one that struck me very quickly. It was Tristan Thompson and the Chloe Kardashian moving in next door to each other. Now, you and I have nothing in common with Tristan Thompson or Chloe Kardashian. Well, I would disagree with Chloe. Chloe Tristan, I guess who went off and had affairs and broke

up and whatever. But they live next to each other because they share children, and they said, you know, essentially, while Chloe has no romantic anything towards Tristan anymore. Tristan hasn't given up hope, Good luck, buddy, she said. It is nice just because they're close and when you're sharing children, you're sharing things. That's a lot easier. It's something that

you and I went through. Well, that's the thing. There's one major thing we have in common with them, which is my ex moved in very close to us at the end of our street, at the end of our street. Put to put it in golf terms, let's keep this master's theme going. It's about a seven iron away out of our back. You got to stop putting in golf one hundred and sixty yards because nobody knows. I don't know what one hundred and sixty yards is. You lost me there too. Give it to me in a visual aid.

Do you know how long a football field? Absolutely no clue. How long is okay, from the beginning of a Starbucks drive through to the end and it'd be about ten of those. That is super helpful, okay. The length of home goods on one side, what do you call where Harry Potter, where they eight did the dining hall of the Gray Hall, About the length of the Gray Hall. Great, honey, great Hall, not the Gray Hall. Great great. Okay, oh god, you know what actually, oh my gosh, I just came

up with it for the first time. This is an activity that takes me five hours. I will listen to Harry Potter on tape, a book on tape specifically for me, Harry Potter. There's my activity. So while you're watching The Masters, I'm gonna go and just listen Harry Potter on tape for a while. I'll go on to watch she do whatever, which I do on repeat anyway, Okay, so try on. So Tristan and Chloe, they live next to pretty much next to my thing is, you know, when my ex

moved in next door to us, close to us. I'll admit my first thought was, dear God, no, like I have this little slice of earth over here, just can I please have a little space. So my first thought was please don't. But then I will say there were many advantages to the kids forgetting their shin guards on the way to soccer, or someone forgot a book or what have you, because the kids were fairly young when she moved next to you, before you and I started writing.

So this happened early years ago, and so you know, kind of having access to each other's homes. We would do that often where she wasn't home or I wasn't home and someone needed something and they could just go in and get it. That did make life a little easier. I will say, I think it's great. I mean, I really actually. I know people got a lot of hate for the Kardashians on several things, but every time I've

interviewed them, they've been lovely. I think they're incredible businesswomen, and I have always admired how much even though they have all this family drawn, they have always focused on keeping family together. They all live near each other, they prioritize each other. I've always been a little jealous of Wow, you found a way to film a show together as a family and be around each other all the time. That's amazing. Like, what do we all want if not

community with the people we love. And even though they're not with the fathers of their children, they've always kept them in their lives. And I'm a big proponent of that. Even not having kids, I still talk to my former sister in law and my former mother in law every single week, if not close to every day. I think build bridges, don't burn them if you can. And if there's love there, hold on to that love. Why let

go of love if you can make it last. And the things that weren't advantageous, Ah, yes, okay, and I don't. I mean, I don't have kids and I wasn't in a twenty year marriage, so that's got to have other levels of complexity and pain that I don't understand. The things that were to advantageous when I started dating again. Oh, the possibility that my ex and or my kids could walk in at any time. Oh, you've never told me

about this. I didn't even think about that. So you were living, So you guys split up, right, you move? She stayed in your old house with the kids. At first, she stayed in the old house with the kids, and you moved into this new house, which is eventually where when we started dating, you were still there. So when you moved into the new house a few years later, she moved in at the end of the street. At first, I was about five miles apart from my original house.

And then she got re engaged and eventually remarried. They had kids, other kids, so they needed a bigger house, so they had to find a house and somehow my neighborhood was the only house they could find, so they moved in down the streets. So she was married. I was still single and dating. I kind of just started dating really, and there were times when a you just worry if someone else's car is in front of your house.

The kids could walk in at any time, she could walk in, and we kind of because at the beginning we just had this kind of unannounced it doesn't matter, and then it kind of matters. So how do you have that discussion? It's hard to dial that back? What was the talk I mainly had to talk with the kids of like, hey, love to see you at any time. House is always open, of course, could you just give

me a heads up, shoot me a text. Yeah, there's things, and they have cell phones yet they did at this point they finally, you know, they had cell phones, and that was kind of one of the I guess the impetus for getting Taylor. Joshuary had one, but my youngest a cell phone, probably a couple of years earlier than I wanted, just because when we were splitting up, it was a way to communicate without having to go through your ax. And so yes, they both had cell phones.

But that's that was a weird stage of life. Did the kids ever walk in and you had somebody there or anything they did? It was, you know, nothing, nothing horrid that they'll have to deal with in therapy. But like you know, I tried to keep a low profile, especially where I was living. I tried to keep a very low profile. So it was very simple things of like just cooking or having dinner at my house or whatever.

And it's just a weird thing for your kids to walk into because you don't if I already hadn't thought enough of this person yet to introduce them to my kids. You definitely don't want that. You don't want it sprung upon them when you want to be in control of how that introduction happenally. But but I understand what Tristan and Chloe are saying is overall, and I think you and I felt this even when we moved in together.

It was helpful. It was nice to be able to just kind of go back and totally And for anyone who's worried about their ex living close by, I would say I actually was surprised when I first moved in with you how little we did run in to your ex, like I mean, I think maybe in a couple years of living with you, I saw her on a walk

in the neighborhood once or twice. It's funny, like we all there's that running conspiracy theory joke you never see your neighbors bringing in their groceries, Like, are we all living in a simulation? We didn't really see her that much, and it was super easy with the kids, And I think, especially if you're coming from a family where you're in two households, you know, as close as you can be is going to make it better for the kids, you know. It made me think about you and how different breakups

are and should be. Normally say, no kids are involved, what have you? You get divorced, you break up whatever it is, you break up your engagement. You could move to the far ends of the earth and never see each other, never hear from each other again. That's how it break up probably should be. It's a good emotional break Like you don't talk to your X now, don't

see your X now. I just got a text from my ex as I was starting this podcast about flying our daughter home after school year, so like it's a contact you will always have. It's very businesslike at this point. We're very friendly and it's all fine. But that's just something you don't have to deal with. It's a very different dynamic. I mean, like I said, I still talk

to my ex as family all the time. And what was interesting for me about that was I think people look a lot at divorce, you know, with kids, and it's like, well, there's always going to be family there, you know, with kids, it's always forever. But actually, you know, we didn't have kids. But I loved his parents. I mean, I loved his siblings. I was the maid of honor at his sister's parents. You've we we all hang out, yes, m And I was maid of honor to his sister's wedding.

You've met his sister and her husband there. I didn't want to even though we didn't have kids. I love them like they were my family because I believe when you marry someone, you're marrying their family and they become your family. And so I maybe selfishly I didn't want to give that up. But no, I haven't seen him in a long time, and if I saw him, it would be fine. You know. I want the best for him.

Although I do think today, it's harder than ever to make that split right because of social media, of cell phones, of how easy it is to text and x and give into that. Um. So blessings to anybody who's going through a breakup right now, because I think it's so hard. You used to be able to just set it and forget it and never see them, never think about them. I did want to ask you because part of this Tristan and Chloe story is the alleged reporting that Tristan's

holding out hope that they get back together. Now, what was very different about your ex moving in at the end of your street was as you said, she was I believe, already engaged at the time about to get remarried. How different would it have been if she said, like, look, I've got I want to get a bigger house, and I want to move into your neighborhod It's a great neighorhood. We can be close with the kids. But you were both still single. Would that have been different anyway? For sure?

I think if either one of us had still been thirsty for that, it would have changed the dynamic exponentially. The fact that she was happy she was married that helped. So do you think Chloe should be drawing should she have that same thing that you had where Hay come and goes you please in the house or do you have to draw different boundaries. I think if you, especially if you know that the other person is wanting that and holding out hope, you just have to be abundantly

clear that that door is closed. We can share child things, sports and school events and parent teacher meetings. Again, there's so many things in life that will draw you together. You go to your kids elementary school, there's two chairs sitting there for the parent teacher conference. It's still you guys typically if you want that. And so we just had this agreement that when it came to those things, you were always welcome there each other, and eventually her

husband was as well, and then eventually you were. And so you just you have to set those boundaries. It is. It was a wondutiful thing to say with the kids, you're when it comes to stuff with the kids, you're always welcome, birthdays, holidays, that kind of stuff. And again, it took work, swallowing pride and all those things. I know it's not that for everybody when you go through a divorce. I know you did an amazing I know it can be toxic and horrible, and God bless those

people that have to go through. We're actually going to get to well, I'm going to end this conversation actually with a little drop of wisdom from my mother, who was a divorce attorney until she couldn't take it anymore because it was too dark of a business. She always told me, honestly, Mary, pretty much, any one be very careful who you have children with. Amen to that. The

next headline that hit home to us Christina Aguilera. So she went on a podcast, the podcast Call Her Daddy, Call Her Daddy Podcast, which is very sexual in nature and sexual forward. And if you go on there, it's kind of going on Howard Stern. You know you're gonna have to give up the goods a little bit and talk about things. So she did. She played ball. Oh that was that was a good pun, dirty dad joke of the week. She talked about She talked about oral sex and have you ever said oral sex out loud

on any show or podcast? Only during the Bill Clinton deposition, No, I've never said oral sex. There's a few things I'm about to say that I've never said, never said on any broadcast that you've done. Okay. Christina Aguilera, who's forty two years old now, talked about giving oral sex. She said, swallowing is really a good thing. It's got a lot of protein. Okay, doctor Aguilera. She goes on to give tips. She noted that it's really important to be with a

partner where you can really explore. I agree. She explains sexuality as a very specific thing, so like one guy might like what one guy might like, another one doesn't. And there are some guys that don't like their balls being touched. Okay, Christina, there are some guys. This one really got me. There are some guys that like brutal

things happening to them. Oh, brutal when you're talking about that area and that and that act, I don't think the word brutal should ever come into how you're treating that area. Maybe some people are into it. What the hell do you love while that's happening. That's brutal. Don't be judgmental. Maybe some people have kings. I mean, I look, I haven't open I have an open muff. Fred. I think it's you're in picturing pain in that area, and I have an open mind. I like to be about

free love. Hey, whatever floats your boat, but when it comes to brutal, like, I really need some specifics of what the hell is she doing to this man? Well, maybe she met brutal not in that area, but other parts of the body. People are into s and M stuff. But I digress the real reason this kind of hit me. And she we're gonna say, let's tell the people why this hit home. Yeah, and she went on to that

that actually literally hit home. But she said about her virginity that she probably lost her virginity later than most people would expect. I was probably the last person to lose my virginity. When we both read this article, we took very different things. I took it is there a thing called sharing too much? In these situations? I get you go on these podcasts now and it's kind of in vogue to really overshare, and a great interviewer like a Howard Stern or something like that, we'll get that

from you. They will get you to go places maybe you didn't intend to go because you feel so comfortable. But I just don't know if I need to know everything all the time. Well, first of all, I don't think this probably is everything. I mean, well, look, obviously she's sharing a piece of her life. I do think you go on call her daddy in knowing that you're going to get into some of that stuff, just like people knew, as you said, they'd have a different vibe

on Howard Stern. I think so. And I haven't listened to the episode, but when I started reading this, it took me back. I'm actually doing a Sex in the City rewatch right now. I'm rewatching the show and I hadn't watched it in full since around the time when it was first on. I think I watched it like in my late high school early college years, and as I'm rewatching it, I'm thinking, man, I was young to be watching this show, Like I kind of forgot how

much they got into on that show. And I do think. I mean, it's an incredible show. The writing and it was revolutionary and the way that it normalized talking about I watched several episodes with you and I've been captivated. Oh, it's such a good show. It's about relationships at it's core, which is really what makes it stand the test of time. Female relationship. Yeah, friendships, and so I love everything about

Sex in the city. But when I look back, I do think, like I was watching that show before i'd as the phrase goes lost my own virginity when I was so sexually curious, I was getting a lot of information from it, probably, and I think maybe the problem was that I was getting the information of how to have sex as like a confident, independent, thirty two year old woman, instead of how to have sex as a

teenager or a young college student who's just beginning. And so I was applying the wrong mindset as I, you know, embarked on my own journey, and I was thinking that about you know, I think that happens to a lot

of kids. I think whether it's podcasts or TV shows, you know, kids at that age are so looking for their so curious, And it just kind of drove home to me how important it is for parents to be able to talk to their kids about sexuality, because I was definitely getting a lot of information from the wrong places and not from experts or not from this place

of I don't know, groundedness. And one phrase that really stuck out to me, and this is not anything against Christina Aguilera, I just hate the phrase losing your virginity I've always hated that phrase. Why what strikes a chord with you? Because what it implies is that, like, to me, the word lose is like you've lost it, like you've made a mistake. You know, you've you've Like what else do we apply the word lose to that's positive in any way? Losing something is always bad that you know,

it's funny. I've never thought of it from that angle, and I immediately my mind went to the church, which is where this phrase probably came from. The Virgin Mary. Virginity in general was a I'm guessing probably if I I'm going to guess a Catholic phrase for something of that sort, and so they probably wanted that meaning a sign to it. There was guilt if you weren't married. There was guilt if you weren't in this certain relationship under the guise of God and the Church. I'm sure

that's where that came from. I think that having sex is normal. It's something we're all going to do, right, and so what we need to teach is have sex for the first time in a way where like you feel comfortable, you feel respected, you feel appreciated, you have confidence in how that this person is going to value you, and especially I think there's a narrative like typically I do think it's changing. But young straight women are taught, like, you know, be careful who you lose your virginity too,

and again it's losing it in your first time. And then young straight men are like, I gotta like I want to have sex as soon as possible. And so these two groups are set at this difficult dynamic towards each other. And so I don't know this is It's again nothing about Christina Aguilera. I just want to reframe the lose your virginity phrase. I need a better phrase. Let's if you come up with something. Let's just jump in.

Let's coin a new phrase. I mean, it could be as simple as when you have sex for the first time. That's all we have to do. Gaining instead of losing, it's gaining your when you gain your sexuality, gain your sexuality. Wow, gain is positive. Choose, choose or gain or I love that. Okay, there we go real quick on the oversharing thing. Though, Yeah, you and I've talked about this a little bit. I

do think it's interesting. I actually think we agree on something that women to typically tend to share a little more than men, and whether it's culturally or in paining the broad brush. But Lauren and I have had this discussion before. I think I feel like I bond with my friends through very intimate sharing, and I share more than you do. However, there is this interesting thing that happens.

I do think you and I both have said when we find someone who we really love or in a really close relationship with, you actually share less about the intimate details of that relationship, like the sexuality. Like I I was with a bunch of guys yesterday. We were at this event, guys I know very well, and while things got off color and you know, we told jokes and it's not like everybody was being PG, but nobody would talk about their fiancee or wife, Like, no one

would talk about the intimacy of that. No one's going to be like dude. Last night, my wife and I we were at five rounds, bouncing off the walls. I've been her over the bedside. It's like that just I nobody wants to hear that. And if a guy ever did, I think there would be a record scratch moment where everyone in the group is like, dude, Like why are you talking about. We just don't share those things interesting,

typical guys don't. I do share. I think women share a little more intimately, but not from this place of like, I don't know. I will say, there's definitely less. It's more when you're in a serious relationship, there's less sharing. Although, how do you think is the most intimate thing you've shared about me? The most? Well, it's more so intimate sharing about like our communication, our relationship, the way you love me, that kind of thing. So that's a different

type of intimacy, right, I share the emotional details. Um, when it comes to our sex life, I do. I mean, well, maybe i'll I do share something. The only thing I ever shared my closest bread. The only thing I ever shared was how brutal you were that one? No, all right, let's finish up with one last story. There was one story that hit home to us. Before I get Elsie in trouble about talking about my sex life, there was a story that just came out about Brookshields. She did

an interview speaking of Howard Stern. I think one of the great interviewers of our of our time. UM, love Howard, whether you like his show or not. He's a good interviewer. He's a great interviewer. Um. And she came out on Howard Stern. She's talking about this relationship she had with JFK Jr. And how there was a moment that they went on a date. They shared a kiss, as she said, the best kiss of her life, and it got to the point in the date where there was sex on

the table. He wanted to and she decided, no, I don't want to go there because my heart and soul is into this. If I do this, I'm scared to death of where this might go. And she rebuffed him and turned it down, and she was worried if she gave in, he wouldn't talk to her again. Well, it turns out the next day they were on the ski slips, I guess, on a ski trip. He kind of ghosted her and ignored her. And I know, I just I found this interesting on a lot of levels. They were

very young at the time I looked it up. I don't know exactly how old they were, but he was five years older than her. Yeah, so maybe they're twenty five. I don't know. But and Brookshields of course came you know, was a huge sex symbol in my generation. Growing really interesting document I think the documentary coming out is called about her, is called pretty Baby, which is why she's honest pressed to her and she talks about being so sexualized at such a young age. I mean such a

young age. I remember me, I was trying to think how old she is right now. She's a fifty seven. I think she's fifty seven, So yeah, she's six years older than I am. So we grew up about the same. She was always a little older, and so I found her beautiful and attractive, and again she was being sexualized in front of all of us as we were growing up.

It was I can only imagine at that time. You don't have the perspective in the thought to think about that, but it had to have been unbelievable pressure for a young girl. Well, what I was interested in about this was that she had I really applauded her awareness of the situation. Here. She said JFK. Junior gave her the best kiss of her life, and then she decided she couldn't have sex with him because she knew she'd fall

for him too hard. She'd always had a crush on him, and she was afraid he would just you know, dump her after she's been love with them since she was like three. I mean it wasn't. Yeah. So what I loved about this, and because I think it applies whether you're kissing someone, dating someone, especially if you're having sex with someone, is that the power dynamic has to be equal, you know, like you have to feel and its advice I guess I would give any speaking of gaining your sexuality.

If you're going to have sex with somebody, you've got to feel like you're on equal footing. I think that's one of the biggest components of whether you choose to have sex with someone. And she felt here that she was way too in love with him, that she was way too into him, and she didn't think he was as into her. If she had had sex with him, you're heading into dangerous ground there to get yourself hurt. And I think this applies no matter how old you are,

like throughout your life. But I do disagree. Tell me no, I completely agree. And it was interesting that that's that's where you went with this because I took it initially in a totally different direction. I was thinking JFK. Junior is dead, tragically died, is there a statue, and this is in the gray area. I don't think she went too far. I don't think Brookshield said anything wrong. I just thought he's not around to rebuff this, to contradict this, to give his side of the story, like it may

have been something cute where JFK. Junior came back and said, oh my god, I loved you too all those years I always wanted and you know what I mean, Like you'll never hear his side of the story. He just kind of makes him seem like a bit of a scoundrel, like maybe he didn't talk to her the next day because he was an insecure guy and his feelings got hurt and he really loved her, and who knows, like you just but we will never know, And so you're only going to hear this in her context. And that's

how this is painted. Is there a time and a place where you can no longer? Is this over sharing? Is it? You know what I mean? Do we get to tell these stories? Oh? I didn't. Well, I think it's specific of the content I minded on this one because it's essentially they kiss, nothing happened. I think the worst thing she said about him was he was quote less than chivalrous. If it had been more, you know, then you if it had been something where it was

really going to permanently tarnish his image. But I guess this is also like a bit believable to me. Like JFK. Junior was incredibly handsome and had the world at his feet, and he probably was a little bit of a scoundrel.

I'm sure not to tarnish him, but I wouldn't surprise me if he's twenty five, twenty six, story seven years old, and yeah, I don't know, that wouldn't be shocking news when we think of the people that have the world by the tail, you know, young George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt or Bono, whoever, Guy FIERTI, Okay, we all

have weird vices and taste. But JFK. Junior, I just can't fathom what that life was like, being devastatingly handsome, being jfk'son having that power hour and that I mean, I just can't imagine. I will say, what's fascinating about the idea of the two of them dating is like I wish it had was it public, if there would never be a more power couple in the history of the world. I wasn't you tell me? Was it known that they had dated or kissed or anything? I don't remember.

I don't remember that. I think again, no tabloids, no social media. They actually could have had a nice date in Aspen or wherever they were and kissed and no one would know. This gorgeous movie star and the handsome young prince of politics in America, Oh my god, who probably would have gone on to be President of the United States. Incredible. Well, and that's the story. That's the sharing. You love that she shared this story. Speaking of oversharing, I think we did a little bit today, but I

hope you enjoyed it. The takeaways from our headlines that hit home. Number one, it's okay to live close to your X. Number two, don't be brutal when performing oral sex unless someone's asking you to exactly. Number three, what's our takeaway from the Brookshield story. I think that power dynamic matters. I think whenever you're entering dating, sexuality, whatever, you have to feel that you're both on equal footing about why you're there. And the number four takeaway from

today thanking you appreciate you being here. I appreciate sitting here with Lauren on a stormy day here in Austin, Texas and just reflecting and going through all the big stories of the day. So thank you for your time and I will talk to you next time because we have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.