This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. Chris Harrison and Lauren z Ema coming to you from the smoking hot home office in Austin, Texas.
I mean, maybe Chris is talking about how good looking he is, but it's also we're in excessive heat warnings in Austin. You step outside, it's like stepping into a bath that we did escape. This weekend, we went to Colorado visited the town of Aspen for the very first
time neither of us had ever been. And I absolutely love going to brand new places together because I feel like it's always a nice little reinvigoration of the relationship, like exploring new places and new restaurants and kind of feeling like you're learning and growing together.
Just to get out of town and we do.
We like to away. I said it was very cool and like deep, and you said, just to get out of town.
It was nice to get out of it.
Also, does everyone hear me? Did you I've seriously did you ever do vocal training in our profession? Because we go away for a weekend with friends and I come back sounding like this and Chris is ready to host a lot of.
Fun I did. Finally, I didn't my entire career, had never done it. But I always had the same issue where if I got a little sick, Like I worked in Vegas quite a bit, whether it was Miss America or Millionaire, and it's very dry and it's smoky. They call it Vegas throat.
The only place people are still owed to smoke. Cecrests.
Yeah, and they really do have a name for it. They called Vegas throat. And so I kept losing my voice, long story short, and so I went to this vocal coach and she was amazing. The only embarrassing thing is a She taught me how to speak and what part of my body to use to save my voice, that which most singers do. But she had me sing. I had to sing to her in our sessions.
What song did you sing? Did you get to choose?
Well, we did range stuff, so it wasn't even songs per se.
It was more like, well, can you tell everybody the truth, which is that you were in weren't you in an a cappella group at one point?
Well, I did do choir back in the day, that's but that's when I was a tenor. I think it's before my boys had dropped really so my voice was a little bit higher, got it. I think i'd probably be more in the bass section now.
So can you give it?
But I did?
I loved choir, you.
Did, and I was a part of this thing called madrigals. You're going to be so excited to marry me after this.
I was just where three.
Of us would would sing together, like kind of like barber shop quartets.
By this is making me like you more? Do you even know me? I mean, I'm a theater kid. I in my mind the choir story was that you were in an a cappella group, So I guess I'll have to settle for question.
I also, back in the day, we had this I forget the name of it, like maybe it was a Spree or Spirit or something. It was like a pop group that was at our high school, and I auditioned for it. But I went into it with no idea what to do or how to audition for something like that. So I remember I played it was a Billy Joel song, I forget which one it was. It was from his Glasshouses album, and I just played the song over and over and I would sing to it in my bedroom.
And then I went to audition now that day, and I didn't realize how many people were going to be watching. There were so many people packed into this choir room to watch, and they said, okay, well, where's your music? Who's performing your music for you? Like, who's playing it on piano or whatever?
And I I had no idea, Okay, that's on them. At a standard audition, you just have someone there on the piano playing everybody's.
I was probably fourteen or thirteen.
Oh my gosh. So you did not make it into the battle group. No, your whole life could have been different. Yeah, And so.
All this to say, yeah, I finally in my life, I took some vocal lessons just so I would quit losing my voice, because you know, oftentimes you'll go, like say, Miss America, You'll rehearse for three days for the big show, and by the time you get to the big show on Saturday night, your voices totally.
So can you give me without us practicing my singing? Here, what's like one thing I should be doing differently when we go away for the weekend with friends. That leaves me sounding like this.
Most of the time, when people get lazy, you start you start talking. No, it's just we all do this right. It's like lifting weights. We start talking up in our throat, in our neck. Think of your voice coming from your neck.
It's really right now it's high.
And so you're just you're exacerbating the muscle and that's all it is. You got to drop it down into your chest and your your diaphragm and your lung speaking from her. So if you want to go back in history and find something really embarrassing, and I'm going to out myself Miss America. It was the year that Kuric is Ansive, who you know, a good friend of ours now on Golf Channel having a great career. She was missed New York and my voice broke announcing Miss America.
That is the moment when you're hosting Miss America.
I mean, like a crack like America is.
And I go no, because you always say to State and I go miss New York and Kierk is answif and so. But you will hear my voice break and I was. It was like a teenager going through puberty and right at that moment, I just rolled over and died.
Is that when you decided to get the vocal coach?
Because it was because After that moment, you know she's gonna go on talk shows for the next year. And the one thing they always play leading up to every interview with Kira or Miss America I did it for ten years, is my announcement. It's Miss America is Miss New York.
If that happened today, it would have been like everywhere, you know what I mean. You probably got away with it being a few years ago and it.
Was kind of subtle, but I noticed it. It really did break, and it was just because it's so loud. It was. We're doing it in Atlantic City. There's thirteen thousand people there, so it was But I was mortified because you want you think about that moment the whole night, the whole week. You're thinking, as the host, this is my moment to announce Miss America. I wanted to be perfect.
Well, maybe screwed that up.
I did, thanks, But from that day on I learned to speak deep.
I've got it. I'm gonna try it right now. I've got it.
No, that's what I sounded like.
So I mean, I should be better because obviously I'm on et. I've been in news for forever, but I just never I know, go lower. But I never worked on it. I think this is like a muscle you have to practice. By the way, it's interesting to hear I never knew that you auditioned for this pop group, and I all, I guess I'm listening to that story, thinking, you know, you grew up in Texas, and this is no knock on your parents, obviously, it's just your boy
growing up in Texas. They're going to put you in sports, and you played all the sports, and you loved sports. You loved baseball and soccer and all that. But it's just always interesting to me as someone who did theater. Every kid is typically put in sports by their parents, and that's a good thing. Sports teaches you teamwork and it's good to be healthy and fit and all these things. But it is not standard that kids try the arts typically.
I don't think, like maybe through school, but you know, I obviously never did well in sports, but my parents still had me try volleyball and tennis and all these things, and luckily they then realized how horrible I was and let me brand into theater. But I just I would encourage all parents to have their kids try theater, because I'm in here thinking what if you'd tried plays and stuff as a kid.
Well, you know what, I didn't love the theater. I was never drawn to the theater. I was never drawn to acting. I always wanted to host, which is I know it fits now, but no, like even the talent show, the school talent show, when everybody was auditioning for stuff, I wanted to MC. I wanted to run the show.
Someone has a control.
I do for sure, But I always and you know, I did speech and I was a part of the speech club and stuff like that. But you're right. I think typically you have to find theater as opposed to your put into sports.
Right, it's not so automatically.
And you know, not to get on a soapbox. But unfortunately the first thing that's cut in schools is.
The article let's get on a soapbox.
Oh, and that is a bummer because you know, choir, music, band, all those things, just that outlet. You should be well rounded, and you should play sports. You should try it. You should try all these things.
And just so, I think doing that teaches you how to speak in meetings, teaches you how to you know, like that's people's number one fear. Right, Even you said you were nervous auditioning in front of everybody. It's such a good way to kind of get away fears of stage fright and even social interaction.
And we have a lot of parenting things we're going to discuss today that are in the headlines. And it's funny because you know, as far as as my kids go, I probably definitely helped my daughter because she went into theater, found that she was a great athlete as well, so she was more well rounded than probably Joshua, who never found that voice and experimented with theater and all that, and so he's probably a little lacking, a little behind in the public speaking forum.
Yeah, so let's run the drills, you know, dad, give him the mic and just do some tittering.
If I had Joshua on this podcast, it would be a very short podcast, a lot of one word answers. Someday I'll have the kids on.
Oh you know what, we talked about doing that for father's sake, and we just straight up for your.
We were all traveling and going kind of different directions. But someday we'll have them on. And because it's fascinating, there at a kind of a perfect age to do it, being nineteen and twenty one, and they're both in college, and that kind of takes us to some of these things that struck us this week. One is this Gavin Rossdale and Gwen Stefani co parenting story where Gavin Rossdale went on they share three kids, Kingston, Zuma, and Apollo.
Their ages seventeen, fourteen, and nine, so very impressionable ages, and they just talked about their co parenting and how they really don't co parent.
Well, Gavin spoke about it's only Gavin on this podcast.
A podcast, and he said they don't co.
Parents, and they don't co parents, and they don't do podcasts.
They just parent. And I know you're like, well, yeah.
Yeah, I'll read the exact quote he said on the Not So Hollywood Podcast.
Quote shout out to Adreana Costa Body, former co host of mine. We worked together for years.
Oh really, I didn't know that. I know her from seeing her on Red Carpet.
We worked a TV guy together, We did Red Carpets together for the award shows and lived near me out in in Westlake Village area.
It's lovely.
Her podcast.
Yes, so Gavin said to her quote of co parenting and being divorced with kids. I think you can go one of two ways. You can either do everything together and really co parent and see how that goes, or you can just parent. And I think we just parent.
We're really different people. I don't think there's much similarity in the way we bring them up, but I think it gives them an incredible perspective for them to choose which pieces of those two lives they'd like to inherit and move on with, and which part of themselves comes out of the whole process.
You can clearly see number one, how Gavin and Gwen Stefani did not stay together well right, because you very different people.
Yeah, I mean it makes me honestly, hearing that quote alone makes me think, well, gosh, it sounds like their marriage was rough. We're very different people. I think that's the biggest mistake people make typically marrying young. Myself included ourselves. Well, you grow up hearing like opposites attract and he needs someone to balance you out and he needs your counterpart. And that's true if that helps you work as a team,
but it's not true if you're such different people. Like I think, honestly, relationships work better when people are pretty similar, and they want to do life the same way, and he's saying, we don't do parenting the same way.
Well, and that's the big one, right, I mean, you know, when it comes to economics and how we spend our money and save our money, our politics, typically things like that, But when kids come into the picture, that's when it's really noticeable.
Because you're doing the hardest job.
That's when it gets exacerbated because you are dispensing advice and making decisions every single day, so you're put on display for each other as partners, husband and wife, whatever, mother and father. So it just gets exacerbated because it's magnified so many times a day, and these are pretty big decisions. And if you don't align all the time, I mean, you're never going to always align, Like you and I had a disagreement recently, but you're not always
going to agree. But for the most part, big picture, you should and clearly they didn't.
We disagreed on a parenting thing recently and it was sort of shocking to me, and I guess this is a good problem to have, but it was the first time in the five years we've been together that I did not agree with you. On a parenting thing. Now, granted we sort of separate, how like, I never have disciplined the kids I leave. You know that in my mind, I'm a mentor to them, I'm not their parent. But you and I talk about this stuff, and I don't know. I was really shaken by it. I even spoke to
some friends and said, I don't agree with Chris. I don't agree with Chris, and I don't know what to do. And my friends were like, Lauren, parents disagree on things all all the time, And I felt very naive about it. But I really don't know the answer. When you disagree on a especially a pretty big parenting decision, what do you do?
Well. It's funny because I blew right past that with you and just continued on because you mean, because I know that that happens all the time, because I've had that.
Oh it didn't hit you as hard until.
I saw how it affected you, and I realized, oh, this is the first time you and I have had this situation, And so I stopped. And I don't know if you noticed, but I went back and I had a lot of discussions with you about parenting and how I and just our philosophies are.
I don't know if I noticed, Babe, we stopped and had those discussions because I kept telling you, I don't feel good about this.
We need to have these discussions, and so I just realized I was going, you know, one hundred miles an hour, which you just typically do, and you just kind of move on because yeah, you do these these broad brush things, and I always say, you can't really parent with a scalpel and be so specific. It's more broad brush strokes and the best you can in that moment, and then
you just accept it and move on. That that was the decision that we made, and so I realized that we had never disagreed before, and so that was kind of the first time that we had to actually stop and discuss it.
So let me ask you then, and you know, take you and I out of it, just being as someone who's a parent period. If you do disagree, what do you do?
I mean, you just got to find that eventually, you find that common ground and you're just not always going to agree and someone at the end of the day, someone's going to win. And I guess you could say that one I won. But I think for the most part, what you do. And this is why I really related to the Gavin Rossdale Gwen Stefani thing is because I have two schools going on like you and I, and I know you don't consider yourself in this realm, but
we do. We copair it, we discuss things. Typically we arrive at a decision that is best suited for all of us. And I very much value your opinion because I know you love the kids as much as I do, and I think you have a great perspective, and you are unbelievably smart. And I think I've been doing this for a while and I think I'm a good dad and I have good perspective, and so it's that's typically what you have when you're married or when you're raising
kids together. What scared me, and this is what drove me on this Gavin Rossdale Gwen Stefani's story is that scared the heck out of me when I got divorced again. My ex I get along with, she's a good mother, none of those issues that Gwen and Gavin seem to have. But at the same time, you lose control. And I actually just said this to my nineteen year old daughter Taylor the other day. We were having a deep discussion.
I said, you know, the scariest thing for me as a dad was when we got divorced, you would go to your mom's. We were fifty to fifty and I didn't think you were you know, anything was wrong, but it just it scared me because I lost control again, going back to a control thing. But I didn't know what was being done, what was being said. I didn't know the things you were going through on the day to day anymore.
If you weren't seeing half for life in person in real time.
Usually every single day you see it and you're dealing with it. And again, even if you agree or disagree, as you're co parenting, you're in it and you lose that and that that scared the hell out of me as a dad because then they come back to you a week later or however you're doing your your custody and you're not going to get the full report, and you don't want to dive in and be like, oh
what did mom say? You know, it's you're trying not to pit anybody against each other, but at the same time you're trying to get some information as to what's going on in your life. It was a very It's a very difficult thing to navigate. And I have all the love and the respect in the world for even for Gavin and Gwenn trying to figure this out and navigate these waters.
Well, I you know, I think what I've learned in this these past couple weeks with us is that I've maybe learned, for the first time in my adult life, the true meaning of agree to disagree. And I know sometimes you're like, you think that I keep tally of things in my head. By the way, babe, this is just a female thing. Like women, I'm stereotyping here, But when you are about to have an argument with me, I've played that scenario out five different ways in my head.
I know the chays you're going to get scoreboard.
I do a little bit, but not in a way of like like to me, I'm like a lawyer gathering evidence. I am the child of two lawyers, and I'm just trying to show you how I feel, and so I provide examples. I did think to myself with this, Okay, we've agreed to disagree here, he has won here. But I thought, well, in future, you know, if this same situation comes up, I am going to bring this up and say I felt differently here, then this is why, And now we're kind of in the same situation again,
and I thought that is that a toxic thing? Yes?
Now I guess my advice to parents and I think to going back to your original question, what do you do if you quote unquote lose in the decision making. It's not that you lose and you lose power, it's you need to find other ways to reach that child with your wisdom. And so obviously there's only one way certain certain decisions can go, but that doesn't mean you can't offer some reflection and some important lessons on what
just went down. Maybe it's not going to be as extreme as you would have decided to do, but you can still like and you did this, And this is why I love it is you had talks with Taylor explaining your position and how you felt about things, and I think you can still in part wisdom even if you don't fully get your way. Well, of course, and
that's but but that's co parenting. At the end of the day, you're you're reaching that medium, that center point and both being able to give that wisdom in your side of things.
True, but I'm going to tell you why I don't think what I did was toxic. As we have an argument here on the podcast. Say that a kid gets a speeding ticket and you disagree on the punishment or the response, and then they get another speeding ticket. Wouldn't you, as the parent who lost out on the way to handle it that first time, be like, Okay, can we try my method now because something did you do?
No, I would say we go back and say, let's say someone got a speeding ticket and I and you'd say I think they need to lose their car for a month, and I'd be like, hm, let's just take away their phone for a night. I don't know, I'm just making this up. And they do it again two weeks later. I would go back and be like, you know what, you were right? This needs to be is exactly.
What I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm just banking it to be like, Okay, you did not agree with my approach. If a similar situation happens in the future, maybe we go the Elsie way.
But I also think that you have to everyone needs to understand as parents. I think everyone who is a parent understands this. There is no perfect. There is no right, there is no winning or losing. You do the best you can with the information you have at the time, and you're hopefully doing the best for your child. Sometimes it's tough love. Sometimes it's being harsh. Sometimes it's putting an arm around him telling him you still support him
and love him. It's a very and that actually believes us in kind of this next story.
Yeah, well, you know, one more thing I do want to say about the Gavin and Gwen thing, though I wish I could remember which friends said this to me, but I think it's a good note to leave this one on. I was talking to a friend about the situation of ours, and she was saying that, like, you know, like she's a working mom, that her partner works. They're
so busy all the time. And she said, one of the biggest things that helped us, I think, avoid disagreements in the now is that before we ever became parents, we had a ton of conversations about how we wanted to parent, and so then when we're in the midst of everybody's working and we're exhausted and the kids are crazy, we kind of in our minds we were already on the same page and we go back to what we that foundation we'd laid, and I thought, God, that's so simple,
but how many people do it? You know, you're excited, you're caught up been getting pregnant, but are you really having discussions about how we want a parent beforehand? So I loved that good.
Advice, and that honestly makes me admire what you have done and what all people who enter into a parenting situation and a step parenting situation where you haven't had those conversations. You and I didn't grow up together talk about having babies. You had to enter into this situation and that's why you have done a brilliant job. And it is and again my hat goes off to everybody, men and women who step into these roles and love kids and care for them and haven't had the opportunity
to have those conversations. And thanks Ben that grace came up in this situation with Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards's daughter, Yes she is, And this struck me again because she is nineteen years old, the exact same age as by daughter Tayloran.
We were laughing the other day about how you can get for lack of a better word, triggered by just what's you know, things did you like when you were I don't know, when you're going through a divorce, celebrity news divorce celebrity divorce news hits you where I lost my dad and you're like watching the show Shrinking and there's a loss in the beginning, and Chris is getting very into it, and I'm like, I don't know that,
like that show hits me differently or you know. So it's we're very much on this note with this next headline.
Because so this nineteen year old daughter of Denise and Charlie Sheen, she's been on Only Fans. She just celebrated her one year anniversary she turned eighteen. She joined Only Fans and at first Charlie was actually outspoken about not loving it and didn't condone this. He since changed course as a parent.
He said he had a conversation with Denise Richards, his ex Sammy's mom, his co parent, and he said that Denise brought some points to light for him and made him see the situation differently. And I really by the way Charlie Sheen, I mean, the man said his headlines over the years, but I admire that in an interview. He said, no, I spoke to my ex wife and she helped me see it differently, and I feel differently about it. That's a pretty mature thing to reve Now.
I put my arm around her, and I give her the support that she deserves and needs and the and I don't know what she does on OnlyFans. I have no idea.
It's very interesting because Sammy's made a lot of headlines for referring to herself yes as a sex worker, and then she clarified and said, well, listen, I'm not like having sex on camera. I'm not doing what you would call porn, but I call myself a sex worker because of the other things I'm doing. And she said, and I think there's no shame in being a sex worker. And to be honest, I admire her at a young age for classifying herself in that way and saying that
she doesn't think there's shame in the profession. I mean, it's a really interesting case with her and her mom because Denise Richards has said, look, I did the movie Wild Things, I posed for Playboy, so who am I to judge here? And also I was just really thinking, I don't know, is that the equivalent is only fans, like very similar to that today And.
By the way, we don't have them. We didn't have only fans back in the day, so you had to be in what was called a magazine and maybe that's more lasting than only fans.
Way out there. He didn't get paid, well.
You definitely didn't get paid, Hugh Hefner did and he had a big mansion.
Right, so why not profit from it?
At least you own it. Look, whether it's Taylor Swift and her music, whether it's only fans. I know that Denise who joined only fans later as well in kind of you know, solidarity with her daughter Sammy. It's like, look, she's catching a lot of grief. I'm going to join this as well. They're both And again I'm no judgment whether this is good or bad. They are making a crap ton of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars a month, so say what you will. Again, I'm not condoning it.
I'm not shaming it. I'm just saying they are making banks.
Babe, let's get you on OnlyFans, I would do.
I think feet stuff a really good feet for a man. Is there is there a market for that?
By the way, Yes, I'm sure there is there's a market for everything. I'm gonna ask you the tough question, but.
Here's my thing, and I know you go because this isn't my point.
Well, you know what I'm gonna ask. Yes, if either of the kids, Yeah, came to you and said, I'm gonna be on only fans because Sammy is saying, this is my job. That's what I'm doing professionally. If they said that, she says she loves her job, what would you say to them?
This is and this goes back to kind of our disagreement with what happened this summer. Sammy is a nineteen year old woman. She is technically an adult. Now is she a grown woman? No, she's not. I would say that she does not have the life experience that her mom and dad do. She does not have the life experience that she will when she is twenty five, which is still very young, thirty five, forty five, fifty five. Now will she look back? I can regret this, I
don't know. And I think what Charlie said is the dad is kind of probably apropost it was. I can't believe I'm saying I agree with Charlie Sheen and parenting. But he said, look, keep it classy, just try not to do anything that you will regret. But at nineteen, do you have the mechanism to do things you won't regret? I think of myself at nineteen, I think of my kids. I don't know if you are equipped. You just don't have that computer chip in you yet, you're not upgraded to that model.
Well, and let's you know, look, people are first of all, we're all making mistakes of that age. But then I think any celebrity of any level is making mistakes on a public scale totally. So Sammy is doing stuff on OnlyFans and that's public and known. But like you could be, you know, justin Bieber or any star at that age is probably going to do some things in the limelight that they'll later look back and wish they hadn't done, which is really hard because it's in the public eye.
And what you want to do is you want to give your kids that room to make mistakes. That's how you learn. You want them to grow and push the envelope and make mistakes. But for someone of this ilk, it's so public. That's the thing for these celebrity kids.
But you know, Denise, like she said, she posed in magazines, she did all that stuff. And I I saw this interview. I don't know which OnlyFans model it was, but somebody who's big on OnlyFans did an interview with Piers Morgan that weren't kind of viral because he said, well, don't you wonder what your children will look back and think on with this content? And she's British and she goes, well, they'll be looking back from a Ferrari. Well, it's not
a bad point. You're making money for your family, and I is.
That The bottom line is the bottom line, the bottom line, you know? Is it just Hey, you're making bank. Don't worry to me. I guess as you asked my opinion of what I would do with my kids. Life gets tricky. Parenting gets tricky when your kids are adults. Now they're still living under my roof. Technically I'm still paying for college, so I feel like I have a little bit more say. But at the end of the day, if my son or daughter want to emancipate and like fully break away
and just leave, they can. There's nothing I can do about it. They are grown adults technically in this world nineteen and twenty one years old. But I try to just guide them and help them, knowing that at the end of the day they are at this point making the final decision. Sammy Richards is making the final decision. I would just try to guide her as her dad and mom seem to be doing of Let's try not
to make that fatal layer. Let's try to keep it between the navigational beacons in some way to where at nineteen you can be proud of this later.
Love. That one thing I've learned from you a lot is all my love and shout out to Donna Zima, who's been on the podcast before. But my mom was a much more harsh parent than you are. It was like about punishments and groundings and yelling. And I have seen you be such an effective parent through patients, through calm responses, through Hey, I love you no matter what. But what do you think about? What do you think
you'll think about this decision X amount of years? You know it's and like that gentle challenging you make it very effective.
So thank you. One thing I will throw out at the end of this there's a great book that I read many years ago called Bounce by Michael Sayed, and it's kind of in the same vein of Malcolm Gladwell. He took that Gladwell idea of the Tipping Point. If you've ever read The Tipping Point, that ten thousand hour rule, and Bounce kind of if you coach kids, work with kids,
deal with kids, read this book. It changed my life and my perspective on my kids, the way I spoke to my kids, the way it kind of comes from an athletic perspective, mostly because this guy was a world class table tennis player. I know that sounds wild, but.
His table tennis ping pong, ping pong, yes.
Essentially, but he was like Olympic level, crazy, world class, and so it's an amazing that he then took into the way to teach, coach and all that, and I have learned. I learned so much many many years ago from that. And then again just the perspective of now I'm fifty one years old and have lived a life and I've seen these kids grow up.
One more quick parenting headline. So we did that podcast. If everybody listened, thank you, and if not, please go back and listen to the podcast. We did with doctor Sterling about being older parents, literally having kids at an older age, from both a male and female perspective of biology and emotion and everything in between. Now, this was before the news dropped that Courtney Kardashian is pregnant at
forty four. But this we were doing it because of Alpacino and Robert de Niro becoming Dad's much older two x with Gyes. Yeah huh So now this time is in the headlines again. I mean, I'm looking at a headline right now from Glamour. Why are women being shamed for the age they have children, or why are women like Courtney Kardashian being shamed for the age they choose
to have children? Because people are coming for Courtney in the comments, saying she's being irresponsible for being pregnant at forty four because.
Breeding with these old eggs.
I know, horrible things and I love it. Because also our friend doctor Sterling, when on her Instagram, defended her. Go follow doctor Sterling if you don't.
But and we talked a little bit about this. We obviously were focusing on Pacino and de Niro, but she went into women.
She gave me a lot of hope, and I actually have several friends tell me they loved listening to it because again, I'm thirty five. My friends are thirty six mostly, and some of them don't have kids yet are and really felt the stress of this essential sort of vibe that we have in our culture that the science says, if you have kids over thirty five, you're screwed and horrible and you shouldn't have done it, and your kids
are like. So I I am here in defense of Courtney Kardashian as well, and I know some people are saying, well, she's coming from this place of privilege and she has the money to do these fertility treatments. I mean, look, on the one hand, yes, but on the other hand, well, if you have the money, like, I'm not going to deny someone the ability to have a baby if.
Wells Doctor Sterling, who is again the medical side of this, very appropriately said technically, yes, as you get older, things can change, but she says you can also mitigate those risks. There are many things you can do, and she said also as we get older, there are positives.
That was fascinating telling.
Babies and getting pregnant at an older age. So it's yes, there are some risks but if that's all you look at, you're not looking at the full picture.
I just think we have a lot of people in this world, honestly, who are bad parents or who are really mediocre parents. You see headlines all the time. I see them on people dot com of I saw a headline yesterday I have a woman who went on vacation and left her infant baby at home and the baby died.
So I don't mean to be morbid. I'm just saying, if there are people in this world who want to go be good parents, who are craving to have a child, and who can do it in a healthy way, and obviously the Kardashians, the Kardashian Barker legacy has plenty of money to give a kid a beautiful life, like then have a baby.
And by the way, the way Courtney announced this, that's so cute. You did it at a Blink one eighty two concert with obviously Travis Parker's and Blink one eighty two. She held up a sign at the concert and some people were giving her grief about, you know, it being so public and the way she did it and that it was staged. You think you think a Kardashian state, like knew that they would get pressed with this, of course, but like who cares?
Well, she was doing a nod to a Blink one eighty two music.
Areas part of the video.
Yes, it was. She was a callback to the video, and I ever.
Came up with that idea jails by the way, I don't know if it was Courtney or pr or whoever, but basically to play out the video and to kind of roll it back on Travis Parker was awesome, But like, what do we care that it was how she announced it and that it was stage coming.
Well, look, the Kardashians are excellent at making careers out of being commended and being criticized. So congrats to court me And if you guys haven't listened to that podcast with Doctor Sterling, please go check it out and let us know what you think. And if you'd like more Podor.
We're going to have her on again because just we had I've had so many women come up to me and you've the same direct message et cetera saying, man, that was a great, honest talk to hear her. I think it's just kind of taboo to have these conversations and really speak out honestly about some of this stuff. So we're going to do more of that and maybe take some of your questions and take them to doctor Sterling.
Speaking of criticism. Oh, before we go, my girl, Taylor Swift, proud Swift, Swifty, I'm a Swifty, so just know that you know what side I'm coming on. So Taylor Swift has released her albums, re released her albums because she lost her catalog in twenty nineteen. It was kind of taken out from under her and sold, and so she has brilliantly and the effort and money and time it takes to re record your entire catalog with Taylor's version is insane to me while you're trying to tour and
all that. So kudos to her. But she's going to re release this latest.
Album, speak Now, Ingenuous one Speak.
And so she went was it a video at her concert?
So no, She's on her airas tour right now, and during a moment of one of the stops, she kind of spoke out to the fans and said, look, speak Now is coming out and I would love here you know what I'll read the basically ask you for some grace, right, Well, not for herself for other people, she said, because on Speak now are the songs rumored to be about, for example, John Mayor, and people have really come for John Mayer over the years because of the songs the lyrics that
they think are about him. They probably are. And their big thing was there was a big age gap between the two of them, and Taylor was quite young when they dated. I think like only nineteen, so I.
Think, seriously it wasn't even the age gap as much as the ages the ages.
You're right, she was nineteen, as we were just saying, at nineteen, you don't really know who you are yet, and John was a good amount older. So Taylor said to the crowd quote, I was hoping to ask you that as we lead up to this album coming out, I would love for kindness and gentleness to extend onto our internet activities. I'm thirty three years old. I don't care about anything that happened to me when I was nineteen,
except the songs I wrote. She told her the audience, you should not feel the need to defend me on the internet against someone you think. I might have written a song about fourteen billion years ago. Now it stuck out to me about This quote specifically was I'm thirty three years old. I don't care about anything that happened to me when I was nineteen except the songs I wrote. I love that, and I think it's such an important message for everybody, Like, honestly, take out the part about
like don't come for John Mayer. It's such a good reminder for kids now to be like, this too shall pass. The breakups that are bothering you now are not going to stick with you at thirty three. They will help shape who you become. You will take away the important lessons, but don't let it be like like you're not going to be upset about the same guy or girl or whoever in fifteen years. And I love that she told the audience that she's like, I'm not holding onto this bitterness.
I'm hopay I've moved on right.
I mean, again, those experiences to shape you. But by the way, I also even though she said that, I don't think it's going to work well, the thing is, people are still going to come for Jean Mahor in.
Their defense the Swifties. You know, if you were going to use some of this as cannon fodder and your songs in any art there, you're hoping to elicit a reaction. So these these songs elicit emotion reaction. So it's hard to put this out in the world as that is the intent. And then when you get that emotion.
Well, what's different and scary and hard now is when she first wrote these songs, we didn't have social media on the level it is now. I mean, think about it, not that long ago in time. If you artists have always used their own lives as inspiration, and if somebody wrote a breakup song about someone, even if as a fan you knew who it was, you couldn't immediately go on their Instagram and type something horrible to them or send them a horrible DM. But now you can.
I found that that happened on the show quite a bit too. You know, people would be over a breakup and the person that got broken up with or cheated on, whatever it was, would come back and say, guys, I'm okay, I'm fine, you don't need to hate this person, but there is something out there, and I guess you're right. The times have changed so much that between Twitter and Instagram, TikTok and all that that they just get.
Hammered and well, you've also probably got a lot of young fans listening to Taylor Swift who still you know, when you're young, those emotions are so strong, you crush so hard, you feel sung so much, and they don't have that perspective of time. So I liked that she said that. Again, I don't know if it'll really hit home.
And John Mayer's just out there rocking with the Grateful Dead, I think these days.
I mean, here's a question. Is there any ex now who you would feel weird running into? Like I don't need you to name names, but I'm just like, yes, there is Yeah, like you what would you? You wouldn't even say hi? Or you would say hi? Or what?
There's there's two one I would actually like to see just to reconnect. Uh and then not like in that way, don't look at.
The question was when you feel weird? Al let's headline this podcast Lauren and Chris break up?
But no, and then there's there are exes I would just rather not run into. I mean, who wants to.
I'm I'm just saying, okay, baby, here's a better question. Is there any X if you ran into them right now? You wouldn't say hello? No, I don't think so, which is a great place to be.
Yeah, I mean, would you. I mean, like if I.
Don't feel wirried about anybody.
Yeah, I mean it's like again, I don't look forward to running into them at the pizza parlor, but like I wouldn't if I saw them, I'd be like very cordial, and I hope they would too.
Yeah, I'm just a big like it's water under the bridge. We all make mistakes.
Move on. Life's too. Life is too short and equally too long to carry that pain that hurt like grudge. And I know, look, I know there are those of you out there that have been through much worse and you're like, dude, you don't get it. I understand. I empathize with you, but at some point, for your health, you got to move forward.
Well, I felt differently. Look years ago again, maybe more fresh off breakups or years ago I had more toxic relationships that made me angrier at the exes. But gosh, if it isn't true that like time heals all wounds, it really I go back to that sometimes I'm like, anything that you go through it will be better, and a certain amount of time it just will. And so you have to kind of you know what, I gotta shout out our friends. We'll do it, Stacy, see.
That's where you're going, because you almost said the same thing. We'll leave you with this bit.
Of hilariously simple wisdom. Verbal stage, verbal stage. Our friend Stacy is a pilate's instructor, and she recently had someone reach out to her and say, Hey, I just wanted to tell you. It really stuck with me when years ago you told me, look, next month things will be better, and the month after that they'll be better, and the month after that too.
Dot dot dot. So I think, as our friend was trying to say, this too shall pass as this show has. Thank you guys so much for being with us today. I love sitting down with you. It's been too long since we have sat down and had a chat. Appreciate you listening always, and we will talk to you next time because we have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a
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