Teeing Off w/ Ben Higgins & Wells Adams!

going to be my guest today on this podcasting. Guys, do we have a lot to talk about. There was a headline this week and I think a lot of people will expect me to comment on this, and I will tell you right away I'm not going to make a comment. I will make mention of this, and that is Dianna, one of our former back solorettes, and Steven

Stagliano are getting divorced. And as somebody who knows them both, loves them both, supports them both, and as someone who has gone through a very public divorce with kids involved, I would never make a comment about this other than I support them. I wish them the best during this very difficult time and whatever they can do best for the kids, I know they will do and I love you guys. So with that said, I want to bring on my two guests, my dear friends, Ben Higgins and

Wells Adams. Gentlemen, Welcome. Wow, it's a big deal to be here. Mr Chris. It's good to see you. I am so happy that I get to be the jerk and when we're on the road, make you guys do a podcast because I have done both. I have done this for both of you, and I begrudgingly said, guys, while while we're here in Orlando, we're going to do a podcast together. Now, I'm that guy and it's the same team from the almost Famous podcasts that's doing your podcast. Yes,

we're all with I Heart Radio. So it feels weird to sit on this side. I feel like I want to just reach out and hug everybody that's helping you put this on, but I feel like I'm a guest here and I can't. We're all grateful to my heart and grateful to you guys. This is something that I we have all wanted to have happened, where we all ended up with the same golf event, and I we're not going to bore you with any golf stories. Don't

worry about that. But this is our conduit to be together. Um, whatever your social thing is that brings you together, this brings this friendship together. We love golf, we love spending time together. And the best part of this week I

was thinking about was we're getting it both ways. I've had my my time with you guys, We've had our boy time, and now also our our wives and fiance are here, and so we got to hang out, have a few drinks, play some golf, talk about all the things we wanted to talk about, and now that the wives and the ladies are here, we're having a great time, but just a different time. It's a different a different dynamic. But I'm glad we got to do both. We're all

grows up with our wives that are golf tournaments. It's really horrible. I just think a nap. So both of you guys took naps. But you know what's funny is that Sarah was like, you know, golf is not her thing, and she was like, well, is Lauren coming? And I was like, I don't know, I don't think so, and she goes if I can get her to go, she's coming because I want to hang out with Lauren and jess and she's got her wish well. And you guys,

did I say you, I mean you the listeners. You know, if you know Lauren at all, you know l Z doesn't do sports. Um, she's not not into the sporting sports stuff. The only reason she is here is because Sarah called her and said, you're coming, And then Jesse is here as well. And so this is the first time we've all been able to hang out together like this, with the wives, with the fiance. I can't call her a wife yet, we're not quite married. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But I love that. I

love that we've all gotten to this point. It's it's nice and it's good that, like there's no stress for me being like Jessica is gonna hang out with Lauren and Sarah, Like it's just I know it's gonna be fun. I'm excited for them to hang out because I'm excited for them to spend time together. And when your friends meet great people, it just enhances life. Because now they're all down here, Jessica walked all eighteen holes of golf with me. I have a feeling that was Sarah and

Lauren here that's going to drastically decrease. Sarah and Lauren are going to be at the clubhouse drinking mimosas, and they're gonna be feeling great when we finished golf tomorrow. I know Elzie's first question, where's the chicouderie? Where's the bar? I will see you later. I love you. I will see you later, And honestly, it's one of the things and we'll talk again, we'll get into all this. But one of the things I adore about Lauren, and I know this too about Sarah and Jess. She knows it's

my thing and she loves that. I love this. That's it, no matter what it is. It's one of the attributes I love most about l Z is that she she texts me every day. I hope you're having a great day. I hope you're having fun with this. And I know that Sarah and Jess supports you guys being here and doing stuff like this because it's our thing. We're not doing We're not professional by any means. But I love that and I love that they're both excited. They're all

excited that we're here. It's also important for healthy relationships for each partner to have a hobby and like a thing that they go do. And Sarah realizes, like golf is my hobby, and she goes and does her thing, and we both can support one another in those things and then come together afterwards and be like, oh, how is your day? Was horse riding horses fund today? Or was dancing fund today? Was golf fund today? And I think that's cornerstone like a really healthy relationship. It is tough.

Your thing doesn't necessarily need to be my thing and vice versa. Do you and jess have that too? Um, Jessica's you know, she's a former college athlete, so a lot of her thing. She loves going on long walks by herself with her headphones and listening to a book she loves to read. Um, she works out, and I in my marriage, it's only been a year, but she

fully supports me going to golf. No, I don't want to take advantage of that and go every day of the week and you know, say hey, I'll see in you know never, but a hundred percent we have her own thing. We come together uh, and that was kind of uh. A pillar when we got married is that we're gonna always keep our own things so that we have something to talk about the end of the day. Also like we have something interesting to share with each other.

If not, it gets you know, boring, It's funny. I was distracted because something just went off on your phone and I see this beautiful picture of Jessica on your and but you mentioned her being a track star. So Jessica, for those of you who don't know, was an absolute stod at Old Miss, a track star. Um Wells also went to Old Miss. Totally different kind of rock star, totally different experience at Old Miss. Yeah, I was running

a lot, but it was from the law. So I apologize to all the listeners because I I we totally got sidetracked and I have buried the lead. So when we come back, we will jump into the tea that has spilled in Orlando. Goodness, the drama that has enveloped this event when we returned. Welcome back to the most dramatic podcast ever. Chris Harrison here in Orlando with two very good friends, Ben Higgins and Wells Adams. So we

arrived last Tuesday for this event. Before I get on the plane, I get a text message from Ben Higgins in the locker room, and it's our our lockers. They're nice enough to give you lockers at this event. It says Chris Harrison on the locker. It says Ben Higgins on the locker sea alphabetic order. Next to Ben Higgins is Chris Lane, country music star. Do I do? I need to explain who Chris Lane is and this whole thing,

so can I? What's the thumbnail sketch of this? I think you probably have listeners outside of back stor Nation. I think it's important to explain the the whole situation. Okay, I will try to explain this very quick. This is the thirty thousand foot flyover. Ben Higgins was the bachelor. At one point he was engaged to a very nice woman named Lauren. They broke up amicably, and Lauren has since gotten married and had children with country music star

Chris Lane. And we are all together here at the Gulf Tournament in Orlando, and his locker is right next to Ben Higgins. I mean, and when you say right next to it's it's right next to me mine. Before this tournament, I haven't seen Laurence since we broke up, I don't. I don't think I've seen her once. And uh, obviously life now has moved far beyond that relationship, but that relationship still is an important season or you know,

time in my life. And so I would be lying if I if I wasn't a little anxious about the idea of, you know, being at this tournament with Lauren and Chris and then also Lauren's family, who I imagined was going to be coming down, and no matter what, we're all adults, So I wasn't worried about the outcome or how we'd handle it. I was mostly just saying, hey, this is a fun week of golf. This is gonna feel odd, you know that first running like what's that

gonna be? Like? You just I don't know if anybody out there, and maybe I'm wrong, is like super jacked to see somebody who they've split ways within their life, you know, amicably, but they split ways with them. So I was I was anxious about it, um and then to walk into the locker room and see that, oh, we're gonna be definitely running into each other, Like there's there's some people that Serma, I haven't seen yet at all. I haven't seen him ever. But no, we're gonna be.

We're gonna be putting our shoes on, changing together, changing, showering together, sna ing together. Um. So I have so many things, and there's another great story coming up about dinner. But just to give you the details, Lauren is not here. She didn't come. Um, she's I believe, home with the kids. Lauren's dad is here. I talked to him. I talked to Chris and and his brother. His twin brother is here, Caddy and for him, and Lauren's dad is here. He

came up and said hi to me as well. But as far as when we would run into them, it happened the first night. Wells and Ben and I are at the bar here at this beautiful hotel, and sitting two ft away at the bar is Chris Lane, his bandmates and his brother and you're right there. Did you guys have a moment? Did you say hello? Hug it out? Well? I mean, I'm sure for him, he obviously no. You know knows our history as well. So right away I

saw him. He didn't see me, so this that he was kind of had his his head turn and I walked up and I said, Hey, Chris, good to see you. I just I had told Jessica like I wanted to say hi. I mean, one, he has a there's a lot of things that congratulate him. On to two children, Congratulations to Chris and Lauren. God bless him. Um. And you know he's down here at the Gloss for the

first time. This is my fourth year, so I'm kind of a vet at this and so I just I well, I told her, I was like, if I see him, I'm just gonna go say hi because I would like to say hi anyways. Um, and so I did. I just walked up and I said, hey, Chris, and I will tell you, Um, it has been nothing but great. Uh, it's been nice to to talk to him. It wasn't It's not been the only time I've talked to him.

It's there's been four or five now run ins and encounters and we talked golf and and then Lauren's dad and I were able to catch up. Um. He actually said hi to me. I didn't. I walked past him and he said Ben, which felt really good. Um. I wish it was you bed Son come home. Definitely not Yeah, not no, I think he's very happy with where his life shook out. But um, yeah, it's there's just a lot to break down. It's hard to explain that moment

and how to handle it well. And but I will tell you, Chris was it was really nice and it's been fun to be around them at this tournament and I'm glad we did it like it. You know, when you go through a breakup, there's always that moment where like the band aid gets ripped off afterwards and then

you can start to heal. I kind of and I don't even know, but they kind of felt like that a little bit too, where it's just like, Okay, if Lauren comes down tomorrow, I don't know if she is or not, and I run into her, it will be good to see her, Like, it will be nice to just like say, okay, we've done this next chapter of our lives. You disagree, no way. Man, If my girlfriend was my ex girlfriend was here, I'd be like, I do not want to see them at all. You're just

too nice of a guy. Well, I don't know if like you would have said, hey, what's your preference, Like if if like is your preference that you're gonna be hanging out and having dinner all of you at the same table like one. This is because like this is a special event for you. I know you look forward to it all year and and for this to have happened, I know this isn't the dream scenario. But as well as just stated very accurately, you are a great guy.

Because what I noticed at the bar the dynamic. And I was actually talking to Chris because I was at the bar ordering drinks for everybody, um, and Chris was there, so we sat there talking and you know that he had been on the show before and catching up on the kids and how tired he's been because they have

a newborn and so um. But to watch you, you could have easily ignored the situation, acted like the elephant was not in the room because he didn't quite make eye contact, so it took you to walk over to do that. Not that he was ignoring you, but I'm just saying I don't think you guys could have easily just ignored each other and acted like this thing didn't exist. And instead you burst the bubble and just said, hey man,

you see you. Yeah. Well, And it also could have gone when I said that, he could have been a jerk to me, and he wasn't, so, you know, so it moves it to a healthy place. He could I could have walked up and be like, dude, don't talk to me, and then it would have been like, well, crap, now though we have four days of weirdness. He didn't at all. It was a you know, it was a healthy and like interaction. Um no, I will admit that if you wrote down, hey, what's your dreams new? Like,

this is a big event for me. You know, my family's down here, my wife is down here, my friends are here, Like I've dreamed of playing golf with Chris and Welles in one of these tournaments for six years, Like it has been something that I've wanted to do, and I always wanted to do it here because this tournament is so fun to me. It's it's just a really good tournament and it's and it's a healthy atmosphere.

And so to have that happen at this thing that I hold so sacred and special would not be ideal. Be honest. Are you are you happy that Wells and I were here to witness this with you? Or is this your biggest nightmare? Both both. I'm glad that we can do this because now we can talk about a podcast. And I'm I'm so thankful that we can give you content. I've been I've been saying all week, thank you, Ben,

You've been You're writing my podcast. Day after day, You've been adding and I thought, I thought this was going to crescendo um on Friday because the tournament directors reality, Yeah, the tournament directors are not Bachelor fans, clearly because the TV producer, the sick twisted mind of me um So, Chris Lane and Ben Higgins were very close in the point totals, and I thought, well, you're gonna put them together. You're gonna make them play together against each other. That's

just a no brainer. And they didn't do it. Instead, the good thing is Wells and band got to play together. I was very jealous, you guys got to play together. But I was so bommed. I thought, Oh, this is magic. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have five episodes to cover on this whole day of you guys. But it didn't happen. But something did happen, and there is a story that will make you cringe, make you cry, and make you laugh. And that's next, Welcome back to the

most dramatic podcast ever, Ben Higgins Wells Adams. Here in my hotel room. We're here in Orlando for an amazing event, the LPGA Tour. Thank you to the LPGA Tour, by the way. So this has been a real family affair. We've been eating meals together. So we're at dinner the other night. We're just at a little pizza place having a beer, and there's a guy that I don't really know him that well. His name is Trip. He's a caddy and somehow we mentioned the name Chris Lane. Wells Adams,

please take the story from here. So we're all out to dinner and we explain to Trip that, uh, this Chris Lane's there, and so he decides to He's like, I don't know who that is. So he looks him up and he finds a picture and he goes, well, look, his wife's pretty freaking hot. Look at her and and points the phone at I'm sitting next to Ben at me and then and I had this look of utter terror. I was like, I don't know if you're messing with us or not. He's like, what, you know who that is? Right?

And he goes, no, she's just it's a hot chick hat spends X and they got engaged to on television, and Wills didn't even do it full justice of how uncomfortable this moment was when this guy and it was as if we were shooting this for television. Wells and Ben and I are lined up so the three of us can see this guy when he turns the phone around and he says, God, Chris Lane's wife is she's a smoke show. And I'm like, I looked at Wells, I go, He's he's joking right in this case, No, man,

she's really hot. And I thought this guy is either the smartest, most genius comedian I've ever met, or he's the dumbest human being. Turns out it's the latter, unfortunately. So he was going on and on about how hot Lauren was to Ben and Wells and I and I

finally just said, buddy, you gotta stop talking. You gotta shut up, because he kept making it where he was trying to make it better, because you know, when you're really uncomfortable and you're like, no, I mean she's just Smulls don't know, I really want to be with her. It's like I want to take a bathroom, like please stop talking, just stop talking, and it got worse and

worse and worse. Ben Higgins, Yeah again. Um, I'm really I'm really thankful that this weekend that I love so much has has been so good and it has I mean, these are good moments that make me laugh. I mean they're funny now because to to fix the situation, I mean, it was awkward for a long time and I almost I just didn't say anything for walks. I was like, this is so weird, and like, I don't know how to respond, you know, how do I respond to him?

Be like she's really hot? Like cool man, like yes, just stop talking, Like there's no good thing I can say here, Like there's no way out of this. And so finally when he finds out that that she is my ex, to heal it, he finds a picture of my wife and he goes, she's really hot too, and I'm like, dude, stop, I forgot about my god talking. That's what I forgotten. When he goes, oh my god, yeah, I know, thank you, but making it worse, I'd have sex with your wife too. It's exactly how it felt.

It's exactly how it felt. To me, it was awesome and in all seriousness, and I'm sure your listeners can relate. These are very weird life moments. They are life moments that don't always happen, but to some they happen. You have an ex wife, you have an ex husband, you have an ex friend, whatever, and you see them again, and how are you going to handle it or how are they going to handle it? What is going to be said and not said? And it could not have gone it has not it could have not gone better

in real life than what I could have imagined. Like, it's been a really good thing. There's just been these funny little moments in between, like, hey, what I love to have? I've like when before I even saw Chris and ran into him. What I want his locker right next to mine? No, uh, what I want? The guy across the table holding up a picture of my ax in front of my family and me and everybody else and be like, no, she's really hot. No I don't want that. And I wanted all of it, but it happened.

It happened. But and you're right, I would say, if you can get over yourself, swallow your pride, these moments can be cathartic, and you realize none of this is that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Everybody's good. You can actually be grateful for it and be happy, and nobody really cares that much at this point. And look when you're in the weeds of it and

it's happening to you right now. Um, you know, I mentioned Dianna and Steven Stagliano unfortunately going through what they're going through, and like right now, they're in the tempest there in the middle of the storm. They're out at that moment, but they will be and it's my hope for them and and my my prayers for them is that that it will get to that point when you can see them again. I've gotten like that with my ex um Lauren, and I spend time with her and

her husband. It's about our kids. It's about making everything okay for them. So when you can get to that point and laugh about it, it's a good thing. It's a healthy thing. And and look, I think the good Lord above has shined down upon you some grace and let you play incredible golf, and that makes it okay. I still want to win. I still like there's a few people in this field that I would really like to beat. Two of them are sitting in this room

with Yes, we're not competitive at all. Chris Lane is another one. UM do him? You got him? Yeah, I don't know. I know, I can't say as much about beating Wells and I, but you'll definitely, you'll definitely take Chris home. And it was It's been an amazing week and that was definitely great laughter for us. I want to talk to you guys about life. We here's here's a very interesting thing about it. I was thinking about us,

the three of us. One of the things I love about the show is the couples that come out of it, and you know, some of them are married. And but then I thought, you know, we are a throuble that has come out of the show. The only reason the three of us hang out together and are such good friends is because of the show. And one of the gifts of this show is that we we are one of the successful couples. And I am grateful for that and it we all bonded over, you know, pretty much

after our time on the show. But I love that about the show. Yeah, I would. I mean, when somebody asked me about the show for me now, well, you know, probably I won't speak for them, but probably a little different. You still, you know, working on it. It doesn't I can't point to a lot of things that it's still a part of my Like the show is not really a part of my life anymore, um, obviously except for

my podcast that I heard, except for weekly um. But like the involvement the show, the thing that I'm most that that I take away the most is the friendship. A lot of those friendships have revolved around like shared interest golf. Um. But it's something that I've I'm I'm very thankful for because I never wanted to lose that. That would be really sad for me. If you know, Chris and I wouldn't hang out again, you know, post

my time on The Bachelor. That's something that's meant a lot to me, is if like you know, I was kind of there for six months gone, and you know, I move on with my life and you move on and we go our separate ways. Because it is such an impactful season for It was such an impactful season for me, you know, for Wells and I, uh, a lot of what we do is was never associated with the show. Because we weren't on the same season. We met outside of that through my heart actually and been

able to hang out. These are friendships that I really care about, the people that I that I want in my life, and that that's super special and it's something that the show, you know, the romantic side of it is obviously such a big part of that, but the friendships and the other storylines I think are really cool to focus on two to see who hangs out with

each other post show after so many years. One of the things I noticed wells about us, and I think it's probably indicative of the show and how we have expressed our feelings. We talk, I think more intimately, more honestly than most guys do, because I think we're just used to it from the show, Like we go deep and again it was boys time before the ladies showed up. Usually when the ladies are here, we get deeper because ladies are just better at that. There that that is

their sport is talking, that's that's their activity. We actually do that. This group right here does it more than I do with my other buddies, and I think it's because probably of our on the show. Well, I do think, uh, you know, the Batchel of the Batch and Batchroom Paradise are all you know that. I think that the mission

statement is people getting engaged and married. But at the end of the day, it's a relationship show, whether it's relationships with like on my season of the Batch Story, like I was friends with a bunch of the dudes and hung out with all of them afterwards. Um, And I think that the the fans of the show like to see that almost as much as they like to

see the people happily in love and stuff. Um, you'll go to these these like crazy events where they have like the guys on stage and and they're all there. It's all the buddies, and I feel like that's more

important than to the fans. And if it were the engaged couple, which I think is cool, but for us, yeah, I think, um, well, you were never on the show as a contestant, but like the thing that that show taught me the most was like how to be able to talk about your feelings to other guys, which is not a thing you normally do, but on the show you do these things called man chats what they're called, right,

But I remember something like it. They'd be like why don't you guys have a man chat over there and you're like, what man would talk about the bears, I'm gonna talk about your feelings, and we got I got so used to it. Then I brought it into my regular life and we do it now and it's a very I think, a very healthy, healthy thing for guys to do that don't normally do, and to to speak on that too. I remember the moment where I said, I like Chris Harrison. I do when do we fall

in love? That moment? Yeah, so you're on I'm on the show, I'm the Bachelor. We're in Jamaica at this amazing I'm just saying, at this amazing mansion before after those special brownies I don't know by during um brownies they were just brown Yeah, they're just brownies. If you ever go to Jamaica, try to find the brownie the brownie man on the side of the road. He is magical. And uh no, I'm at this huge mansion and it's very empty, and then a bunch of producers move in

with me. I don't still know why. I'm assuming it was to make me go crazy, and they did a pretty good job at it. Um and so there was like an off day, and I had been so produced for so long. And it's not messing with my head, it's not getting in my head. It's just you're tired of being asked questions, You're tired of being asked about contestants. You're just exhausted from talking about love. And all of

a sudden, out of nowhere, Chris shows up. And I'm sitting on this couch in my like four minutes of silence, and I'm like, gosh, dang it, here we go again, like where's the cameras at? And he just sits down and it's Sunday and he turns on the football game and I still remember the game. It was like Bill's Eagles. And we watched football, and we watched the whole entire game, which was the most normal thing I had done in

three months. And we talked fantasy because I still had a fantasy team that they were helping me, uh navigate, And we talked football, and we talked about who was going to be in the playoffs, and we talked about what the future and I all of a sudden I said, wait,

like this has there's no ulterior motives here. He just came to watch football with me, Like, this is the most normal I felt in three months and it and it really was like I like this guy, Like I actually could could kick it with this guy outside of this show. Um. It was a very like humanizing, real moment for me that said, no, I can make it the next two weeks of this thing, just from that little breath of fresh air into the real life. I

don't know if you remember that. I do. Yeah, I know, I absolutely remember that the three our three lives have changed dramatically over the last year to two years. You guys are newly weds. I am a newly wed to be. Um, how is life changed for you guys as newly weds. It's in audience first, you know, it's been a year and two months. For me, it's slowed down a lot. I think is the biggest change for me. Um, I'm home more. I don't want to be away as much.

I used to travel weekly from multiple days. I don't enjoy that anymore. I always now fighting to get back home. Uh. It's slowed down in the sense that Jessica and I enjoy spending time together. She works out of the house. I work, uh from my home office and when she comes home. Our evenings together are special. We have dinner, we catch up on our day, we go for a walk, we go to bed, uh and watch a little Netflix like.

It's a very it's a very um slow pace that is so healthy and that I enjoy like I have fun with it. When I tell people this, like, it sounds like you're sixty years old, and I hope, So, I hope I'm doing the same thing at sixty years old. I hope I'm enjoying my time with my wife. I'm hope I'm hoping that we're staying in tune with where we're at in our lives. I think that's a big change.

I think. Um. The other change for me is a new sense of responsibility um as just being a husband, Like I have to be aware of where my wife, you know, emotions are at, where she's at physically, what you know, where she's feeling about her career path and her dreams. Uh. And that's a new responsibility that I hold onto that I didn't ask myself to hold onto. I didn't expect it, but it's it's implemented in my life now and so that's a huge part of my

thought processes. How's jess at like doing? Like how where she at? Um? And it's what I enjoy? Uh but those are being big changes that I didn't expect. Wells, what about you? The thing was that we were engaged longer than we dated because of COVID because we had to wait for our wedding venue to allowed us to have a bunch of people come and celebrate our wedding.

So I kind of lumped those years together, like I think that like me being married is very similar to like when we were engaged and was like we're going to be married or whatever. So these past you know, three and a half years have been really wonderful and I think it's it's so like not the sexy answer, I think, and it's not something that people no one ever told me. But the most wonderful thing about getting married is uh I mean a satta from like the cool sex that you get to have all the time.

Cool sex, Yeah you get Can I just tell you you ruined it right there? Cool sex? Chris. I don't know if anyone told you get you get to do the sex? Uh No. But all joking aside, because once

you get married, you don't have sex. Uh um. You get a teammate, like and having someone on your team is like so invaluable And it's not a sexy answer and it's not like the thing that anyone tells you, but it's so true when you have someone who's like always rooting for you, whether it's real wise or emotionally.

That's one thing, but also like someone that's always helping you out when you go to parties and like someone gets like too drunk and the other one's like, hey, we're gonna go now together, or like oh shoot, I know that guy, but a note, remember his name. Don't worry. I'll go up to him and I'll behave I'm Sarah. What's your name? Got you? Like that kind of stuff is so nice and it's like very comforting to have, like you're just kind of like forging through life. Someone's

always in your corner. Yeah, it's really really nice. And like for Sarah, she is outrageously successful and like so good at her job and it's been really really wonderful to sit back and watch someone like just knock Grand Slams out of the park every year and so and I think for her it's like it's really nice to have me. They're like cheering her on and stuff, you know, so it means so much more success and failure. Yeah,

it all is so much better with someone on your side. Um, that's so true too, Like, and because Sarah goes up for roles that like are huge things that you guys are all watching on TV. IREC run lines with her sometimes and she doesn't get them, which is insane to me.

And it's tough. That's tough on her. And I'm such a like, uh even keeled, pragmatic person where I I can like calm her down and be like, it's okay, it's not you know, the next thing is going to be huge, like, and she leans on me for those things, and that stuff is that I think really important. It's it's absolutely huge. And the sex in the cool sex,

the sex but also the cool sex. Um. When I think back on all of us, but especially you two from the show, when I got to know you as just these young men that were doing this crazy thing to where you are now, it's stunning to think how much life has changed on every level. Yeah has, but that's I mean, you know, I would credit that season of life for where I'm at now. Um, And like, well I said I think I'm I'm a better husband.

Don't if I'm a good husband, I'm a better husband because I do know how to speak about my emotions. I do know how to be intentional. And and also that season was was interesting. And I don't know if this is what you're referencing, but when you get off the show, you're known as a single, available human, like you are in the dating pool, and everybody knows that

you're interested in finding a partner. And if you do the show, well, then you hold yourself to a standard and you present yourself as somebody that could be a decent partner. And then you the longer you're off the show and the longer in the dating pool, the more you get known for being the single guy. And now in my life is not that and it will never

be that again. But that be came my identity personally for so long, was like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm available and willing to date, and you know, and now that's not a part of my life. And it's beautiful. It's a beautiful cut off. It's a beautiful divorce, and but it's a whole different path. You know, I'll never you know, God willing be single again. Now you're just the boring guy that takes naps. Now I'm the boring guy that takes nas because I played eighteen holes of golf and

I'm exhausted. We will wrap this up because no joke. We're about to go to a huge family dinner all of us. UM. But before we do, I need advice from you guys. Yeah, I gotta turn the tables. The last time I got married, it was the nineties. I saw a wedding on love boat. But I think it's changed since then. Um, and you guys are newly weds. I am going to be I'm gonna be going through all this. What the big look I know are why your wives are going to hear this. We have to

be very careful. Do not get divorced over this answer. But tell me what you would keep? What do you think I should definitely do Lauren and I should do at our wedding? What should we not do? What? What one thing or anything would you not do? Again? Okay, my wedding is more recent, so it's fresher in my mind, so I'll go first. Okay, what you should definitely do? Um? And you might have done this? Um? First one I don't know, Bene if you did this, but someone gave

me this advice and it was it was great. They said, Okay, after the ceremony, everyone's at the reception, steal away for a little bit, try to find some like higher ground and go upstairs, just you two and look down on all the people there that are celebrating your love and are there because they love you. It was like a

super powerful moment. And it was so funny because in seeing all these like weird amalgamations of friends come together and hang out and laugh and drink and have this amazing time, and it was like we did this, like what a weird thing, Like we brought all these people together. That was really cool. That was one of my favorite things of my wedding. The thing that I would say to not do or like to create boundaries for, is

your photographer. I loved our photographers, but they and I know in their minds, they want to capture everything for you because it's a whirlwind and you and you know you don't remember everything and you want to have those keepsakes. But the truth of the matter is what you really want is to be able to spend a substantial amount of time with the people that you love and when that gets started and taken away from me because they wanted to get this shot over here and this magic

out and all this stuff. And I remember there was a moment in the night when they were taking a lot of pictures and I had to say, Hey, you know what, let's just do candids. I really want to spend time with all these people that flew out here and spent money to be with us and all this kind of stuff. And U I wish I had done it earlier and set boundaries. And I can't remember what your third question was, Well, that was the main thing. It's it's what's different from the nineties. I know what's

different from the nineties. Um. Yeah, that's, by the way, great advice. And Ben, is there anything what advice would you give me as I head into this chapter of my life again? Well? I think the logistical advice we were given was to invest the most money in good drink and good music. And I think it worked like if you have a good band or a good DJ, whatever your you know, your budget is, and whatever you're

kind of wanting, just make sure they're good. Um. The kind of um sentimental advice we got was to take a deep breath during the ceremony and similar to wells and look out over the people sit in front of you, like to make it an awkward like I just want to try to make eye contact and see this because it is a very special moment and it means a lot.

And I was told the day of my wedding there's two times that everybody in your life comes together to celebrate you, your wedding day in your funeral, and I'm

really glad I could be there on my wedding day. Um, we did something different and I don't know if it's for everybody, but the most fun thing, um I thought about our wedding, or the thing that Jessica and I really wanted was we didn't do a sit down dinner, And so as soon as the ceremony got over, the bar opened up, the band started, and we rolled right into the party. So we didn't sit down. There was

grab and go food everywhere. That just was mostly because Jessica and I didn't want to be up till midnight and we're like, hey, if we don't have dinner, then we can have a four and a half hour party that everybody's dancing in UM, the thing I would take away will be the thing that I would probably get divorced over saying, but it just I don't remember our flower arrangements. I just know they cost a ton of money. Like I don't remember what flowers we had anywhere. I

see pictures and I'm like, I had no clue. You should have seen the flowers at Wells. Yeah, I thought I was in a duck blind. It just to me, and I know somebody out there is like, your crazy. These are so important to me, I just don't remember him. To the floral Society, we mean no harm. We love flowers. You're talking to three guys here that you know, but that that would just be it. But I think they're very important because I think Jessica really loved our flowers

and really found them special. To me. I would just say like, yeah, yeah, I could go without. UM fellas, thanks for being here, thank you, Thanks for thanks for being in my life. I truly appreciate you guys. I love you both. UM. I've said this many times over the last year and a half to two years, how much I appreciate both of you, UM immensely, and your support has meant the world to me and l z Um and I just love you guys and I this week has been so magical on so many levels. I've

loved it. We've had every meal together, we've hung this is like fantasy camp for us. It's been really special. I appreciate it. Well. It's a long time coming because last year Ben and I played in it and we were texting with you and we're like, next year we're

all going to do this together. And the fact that we got to do it, it's really really special and we got to get like one big golf picture together so we can hang it up on the wall because this is a long time coming, and it's it's so cool, man. And to have to have our stage of life here where the wives are here, my fiance, to have mom and dad here, Mom here, brother, It's it's just a cool cool of that. And it's just been a special week.

It sure has. Well. I love you guys. It's been a lot of fun, a big week in front of us. We get to act like we we have along on a golf course with a bunch of really great professionals. But this is this is special. Who's buying dinner tonight? You? It's your turn I can write it off on the podcast. Thank you for joining us, to my two guests Wells Adams, Ben Higgins, and to you Dramination. Thank you for the support,

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