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Oh my gosh. Well, you know, the only reason I'll get involved in sports is two do the non sporty thing about the supporting event, whether it's wine or snacks or in the case of the Super Bowl, the halftime show. And we got to talk about it. I mean, we get to the dramatic headlines and Rihanna or big reveal. I don't know if everybody knows this not our pregnancy. Her real name pronunciation is Rihanna, so I'm gonna say it correctly. Rihanna for real reveals she is pregnant with

baby number two during the halftime show. We were watching it, and I will say, we're watching it live. We're loving the performance. You said spectacular. I thought it was incredible, but we're watching along with hundreds and hundreds of millions of people, and I promise you every Super Bowl party around the world was having the same debate, is she pregnant? We're all watching going okay, wait, well, because it's sort

of this. I mean, for a second I was. I didn't want to say anything because you don't want to judge, you don't want to speculate about that. The worst debate any of us can have, The worst thing you can say publicly is that person pregnant. Every man in the world knows and should know, and you can attest to this. I did not speak up at our party when everybody, all of the women, all of them with children, were saying, oh my gosh, she's pregnant. You know you even said,

I'm not saying anything. You believe the moms, these are friends who have kids, were like, no, that looks like a baby bump. That doesn't look like a postpartum body, because she did just have a baby last year. They were saying, that looks like a baby bump. And I will say, the outfit was really built like the belt kind was under the bump. And then towards the end, when she started rubbing the bump. Even then I'm like, okay,

but I need the confirmation from her. But we were all wondering, and I'm looking on Twitter, and I was feeling a bit better that everyone was saying, wait, is she pregnant? The only time I gave in during the debate, and now obviously it has been confirmed she is pregnant with baby number two. Yes, her rep has confirmed it. When she was singing Diamonds and they hoisted her basically to the top of that arena, she said the line from the song the lyric at first sight, I felt

the energy of sun rays. I saw the life inside your eyes when she sang those lyrics. She rubbed her belly. It was beautiful and that was and that's when I knew. But that's the only time I felt safe when she was she sang that she kind of rubbed her belly, and I thought that was a really beautiful moment and by the way, scary as hell, pregnant or not. That shot when they hoisted her to the top, the stage, the choreography, the the art direction, the way they covered

it spectacular. The camera work. You and I both being in TV, we were watching it going these cameras, the quality was amazing when they were walking with her and her face was right up close and she was kind of giving a subtle smile as she walked the field. The way that they shot the choreography, the dancers, those moving stages. At one point the camera flipped upside down. I thought, the way they filmed this show and those stages,

the moving stages were unforgettable. That was so different and cool. And having been a sportscaster and covered many Super Bowls and been there and have seen these halftime shows take place live and on television. The whole show was made

for TV. But when you stop a football game and you have nothing set up, and you have about ten minutes between the commercials and they kill a little time with the on field commentary to set up a production the size of at with all the dancers, all the stage, the lifts in and up from the top of the stadium, two be able to produce because the whole thing is set up to shoot a football game, not a concert.

And they made it look spectacular. And you go back to what last year's in l A. It was like the concept didn't quite work, it didn't come off as well. And sometimes it doesn't sound as good. I just thought everything came together with this performance. I agree. And I was sitting there thinking, because you always think this with the super Bowl halftime show, who's she going to bring out? Like we saw that jay Z was there, and you know they have such a history of working together. I mean,

I'm pretty sure he discovered Rihanna. I could be wrong, but so I thought, maybe jay is gonna come out. Um. But then the fact that the surprise guest was her new little one. I mean, she's the only person to ever do that. She just did the super Bowl halftime

show pregnant. I thought that was so freaking cool. But it is interesting how like you and I are watching, going we love this, Oh my god, she sounds amazing, the dancing, the production value, and yet still I had people deeming me or people online going and I didn't love it. It's just interesting to me how polarizing these dramatic headlines can be here. It really, it really was interesting, and guys, it is I always will give the nod to the performer. It is an impossible place to perform.

You're jumping into a football game. This is not set up for you, and for her to pull it off and do that well, pregnant or not. But again, she was pregnant. So if you even remotely thought she was a badass, now there is no question what a badass she is. That was incredible. The first pregnant performer ever at the halftime of the super Bowl. That was ridiculous. Yeah, and even if she hadn't, I mean, she's singing live. The choreography was so cool. Like we said, the staging

was so cool. I think that doing the super Bowl halftime show is similar to hosting an awards show like the Oscars or whatever. No matter what, you're gonna have your critics. You're going into knowing some people are gonna hate on this. It's like you just said, it's kind of one of those impossible things to do. You're never going to get in a hunt. Party goes, oh, there's a there's a track of course as a track. By the way, again, this is not set up for her

to do a concert. It's a super Bowl and so yes there's a track behind her because the audio usually sucks in those arenas and in that environment. So they always covered their back like that. But she obviously they were live vocals going on along with the track. So it was an incredible perform I'm going to defend her to the end. I did. I did. And the only issue, honestly, was because we started debating the pregnancy thing, as did

the rest of the world. I kind of missed the first minute and a half of that performance because we were all shouting, Oh my gosh, is she brightny? Is she not? Is she Yeah? I know I And as I think back, I can't even remember all the songs she did. But also she has such a catalog of hit songs. I do love when a performer comes out and you kind of you're like, oh, I forgot about that song and that song. I mean, she's had such

an incredible career. This is going to go as down as one of my favorite and certainly one of my favorite shows of recent years. One bang or after another, she crushed it. She crushed it. So I will fight for you, Brianna. I will fight for you. And that performance, and and I love that she gave a little shout out to uh she stopped and checked her makeup. I'm like, yes, and get that fenty beauty moment. I like not to mention that someone else I saw that online was like,

what a boss. She got her fanty line. Well, by the way, because you don't get paid for the super Bowl, you get I mean, of course you're getting. I think they cover production costs, right, and you're getting this incredible stage where your music is you know, doesn't that suppose she doesn't, but still your your Spotify, your music gets this huge boost and it's an honor. But I thought, yeah, you're not getting paid for this. Get get a little ad for your ma. I'm gonna get into some uncharted

waters because I'm not the entertainment reporter here asap Rocky. Yes, So he was there. He was there. He was cheering her on. I saw video of him sharing her on so sweetly. He was like he he just looked like the proud partner cheering her on and obsessing over her the way we all were. So it was very cute. So we agree a plus home run. Incredible, incredible And by the way, I got to give a little shout

out because this was too funny. Several people sent me she had that big red poofy coda and several people sent it to me because of when you and I were trying to put our duvet cover on on Instagram. People were like, it looks like someone trying to wrestle their duve out of the Dubai cover. So I also love the fun memes that come out of the Super Bowl. There were other big headlines at the super Bowl. That was not the only great performance. Um Chris Stapleton saying

the national anthem. I thought did a great job. You know, he has such a great voice. It just drips of whiskey and honey. And she's so effortless he is, and so he's saying the national anthem. The over under I think was like two minutes two seconds, I did. I never got the official time time, so but I think it went over. It felt like it went over. But what was a real standout during that performance was how many people were brought to tears, including the head coach

of the Philadelphia Eagles, Nick Sirianni, who was bawling. I mean, really boo hoo ng. I know I'm usually not. I mean, like I said, I'll be honest, I'm half watching half pouring wine until the halftime show. And after the halftime show, we're at our friend's house, and I turned to Chris and said, can we go home now? Um, but I was I had my eyes glued to the TV because of the emotion Like that is one thing as non sports as I might be. The emotion of the Super Bowl.

The fact that all of these people I do of course have incredible respect that they've worked so hard. I mean, that's when I was looking at that coach crying. Granted you had to tell me that that's the coach. I didn't know who it was. But when I'm looking at that man, I'm thinking he is crying because of this moment, because of the culmination that this is the overwhelming joy an emotion at that moment that a lifetime of working, grinding,

missing birthdays and weddings. I'm sure all the things led to that moment, and that was incredible. And one of the Kansas City Chiefs players was crying as well. So just this moment is so huge to get on that stage and to see And by the way, what I was thinking is as a player, you're looking over and you're like, hey, coach, like pull it together. Man liked it well, And I love that we have. Gosh, I'm really giving sports some credit today, but I also love

that things like the super Bowl. I actually love the Olympics when it's Olympics time, because we do have so few things now as a society that bring people together to experience something together. You know, you binge watch your shows and like, is your friend on the same episode as you were? Even you and I were really into a poker face on Peacock right now, But I watched ahead of you. I watched. I watched for three episodes

without um. But like you know, at night like the super Bowl, everybody watches together and feels that emotion together and it's really connective tissue and we all really need that. Well, the whole show started off the Super Bowl with maybe one of the more emotional moments to mar Hamlin, who was the player that went down several weeks ago and had to be revived on the field. I mean, it just shook the country. Um, the fact that this guy

is alive. He's a walking miracle and for all for he and all the first responders, the trainers, everybody who saved this guy's life. For him to be there at the Super Bowl. That's how things kicked off tonight. So it was emotional night all the way through. Chris Stapleton the national anthem, and then we got to maybe the most anticipated thing outside of halftime the commercials, of course,

which I said I hate. One thing I hate about the Super Bowl, like I said, connective tissue, like we all experienced something together, is that they release a lot of the commercials online beforehand. Now so I purposely avoid watching any of them. It used to be like, what are the commer? She was going to be? So I I didn't watch any of them until tonight. Okay, as did I. So we watched them together, and you and I were making notes separate from each other, tell me

tell me your your hit list? Well, okay, so sorry, I was going to say, first of all, I was overall kind of disappointed. Yeah, there wasn't like a I don't know if there's that one that we'll be talking about for days or weeks. Are definitely not years to come. Like remember that Rihanna super There wasn't a I mean remember back in the day though was up and ads I think was bud Light, and there wasn't. There was

a lot of star power. I was watching ads going to wow, how many people did they how much money did they throw at this ad? Of all these people? But there weren't a lot of ads where I laughed out loud or I felt, you know, yeah, like we'll we'll all be this is going to create a cultural moment. There's there's nothing I want to go google right now, right but we did have a few wels, so my hits. Okay,

I'll tell you right off the bat. Ben Affleck in the Duncan commercial, that's where this star power made sense. I actually felt fulfilled. I felt like as if some tension had released because we have spent years looking at photos of Ben Affleck getting snapped by the paparazzi picking up his dunkin Donuts, which he usually and you can't blame him. It's probably not easy for the guy to walk into a Duncan, but he usually gets the dunkin Donuts like postmated to his house and he's got like

four big iced coffees or whatever his order is. And to see him in the Duncan commercial, I love the way they did at him in the drive through with people. And then we know pictures have come out of him filming this, so we knew he was doing it, but it was a little reveal at the end that Jennifer Lopez popped in and I loved it. It It was so funny. Well, and it kind of is a throwback to a week ago with the Grammys, well, when j Lo and Ben Affleck made news for not really having a great moment

on camera. I felt again another sense of fulfillment. I liked that we had a little fun with Ben and Jen after a week ago at the Grammys where Ben became a meme for his sad Ben face. Looking are both the Grammys and you know what, let's talk about that because we didn't discuss it last week, and you and I did. We got into that from that relationship aspect a little bit because I think we were watching

them going, like my reaction was bent. I think whoever you are, wherever you are, if you're at an event with your partner, even if you're in a bad mood, you gotta put a good face up, especially your front and center. I mean they were front and center, sitting with the rock and right Trevor No, the host, was stating next to him at one point. But and that was when the camera's kind of got caught showing j Lo maybe um scolding him a little bit, but like, okay,

this is it's a very possible, real situation. Actually, you and I have had this moment before. I remember one time we got in an argument before we were going into somebody's book signing party, and I'm like, I actually stayed in the car for a minute after, and then I'm like, Okay, I gotta put on a good face and go in there because you can't. All it does is make other people question your really and ship thinks

something might even be bigger wrong than it is. You got to just put on a good face, and I think, deal with it later. We're gonna be fine in an hour, but now you're gonna be dealing with this because that look and that if it spills over and so you look. I also give Ben a little bit of a break here. Those things are a grind. It wasn't his award show. I know he was there supporting j Lo, which is cool. But I gotta tell you guys, if, yes, if you're ever in l A and it's like, do you want

to go to a taping of this or whatever? Well, first of all, yes, the Grammys are alive, but it's so many hours. But if you're ever going to do a taping, at least do a live taping of something because tapings are so much longer than you think they're going to be. And they're so arduous. I mean when I used to cover bachelor tapings, like the tapings of the Tewells, and they're like nine ten hours. Yeah they

they yeah, they take all day, all day. I felt so bad for the audience because after our twelve you're just everybody spent. I would bring snacks. I would bring advil because all the screaming would give me a headache. I would literally pass out. Advult to the other reporters, especially the new bees who didn't know how headache it was going to get. Some of us were in a freezing cold warehouse. We'd bring blankets like it was. It

was a commitment. So Duncan, by the way, that was the first in game commercial, so that was a huge spot. There was a couple of commercials, the movie commercials that were after the coin flip and all that, but the first in game commercial was that j lobinf Fleck commercial. That's a big spot. That was huge money that Duncan spent to get that. Well, I thought it was worth it, Yeah I did too. That was it was memorable. It was good. It hit the mark. Any were there any

other commercials that really stood out to you. I did like them. I think I have to say I don't know how well a commercial works because I don't really know what it is. But Uber one with Diddy and UM it was like a revolving door of him bringing in old viral songs to maybe make a new a new song, and I think they ended up with UM had away. Maybe what is love spoofing? Matt? I thought Diddy was really funny. His comedic timing is always good.

It was a pretty good actor, a little bit of that and what in the uh what and get him to the Greek he was He's pretty good. Like you know, I don't know how much range he has, but like he hits. I thought it was funny. And then I don't know if it was a highlight, but the You two commercial really yes, I mean, first of all, I

am a huge YouTube fan, the biggest. But do they know we were watching it going because first you're seeing the balloons and it looked like a big balloon and Chris turned to me and you you joked like, oh well, aliens are coming here. It is All week we've been dealing about shooting down either Chinese spy balloons or these UFOs across the country. Now I think we've shot down

four of them. And then YouTube comes out with a balloon slash UFO type apparatus in the ad for their residency in was this whole thing kind of like remember when the Red album came out when they it automatically just dropped on everybody's iTunes. Yeah, rather infamously. People weren't happy about that. Is this the same thing this? Did you two accidentally do this again? Where they're releasing promotional balloons and they're like, oh crap, We're just we're getting

to the super Bowl ad? This is we feel So Joe Biden's been shooting down our advertisement balloons. How does Bonno know? Um? Yeah, that commercial was just that was interesting timing and it was a little weird and I didn't totally get it. But I will try to get you you two residency tickets. I will be going to Vegas. I will be going to the You two residency. But if anybody would know, it would be all right, Well,

what were your hits today? Did we have the same And I would just say there were a couple more. It was cool to see some of the movies coming out because I I we love movies, and it's good to see there are real movies coming out. I'm so glad you said that. I wanted to add I was just so happy to see big trailers for big movies. The new Indiana Jones movie, Um, the new Fast and Furious movie. To see those the bit affleck Matt Damon, Nike air, Jordan's Yes, that movie looks so good. Take

all my money. Now it's I will go. I'm gonna go see that ten times. I promise you that looks spectacular. I just want movies to be back in theaters. You and I say all the time. I mean, this is a pre pandemic. But you know, in our own relationship, we used to love going to the movies together. And this is going to the movies on the weekend, and

it was there was some big movie stars. By the way, I got to go back to the Nike one because what we should have mentioned two is j Lo did kind of kill it when that Nike movie trailer dropped. She posted on her Instagram making some kind of joke because Ben also makes a face in the commercial, and she made a joke about that. So then pardon me was wondering, is Jennifer Lopez so pr brilliant that she that they made the moment for the trailer. It wouldn't

shock me at all. I mean I would commence. Yes. Will Ferrell's commercial was good. You can never go wrong with the talking babies at the trade, and they were the fake kind of roast of Mr Peanut. Who is it? But again, none of them, like you said, the Pepsi commercials, I'm not sure they hit the mark. That one with Ben Stiller. They well, the whole thing is is this person acting about whether our products good? I love seeing zoo Lander almost it wasn't quite brought back enough. And

then Steve Martin's genius. I'll watch him read the phone book. But but in the end of You're Wondering, they're they're asking you was this person acting or not about whether they like I don't know about the product. I mean, I don't know who drinks pepsi, But yeah, it was just none of none of them are going to be memorable home runs that we're going to talk about for you know, there's no Apple commercial from back in the day.

There's none of the big ones that I think are going to move the needle, and it's so hard these days, it is so hard to do that. You're so right, Who does drink pepsi? I'm trying. I'm trying to rack my brain if I know anyone who drinks pepsi. We're not going to be getting pepsi out of this podcast. What we are going to do, though, is take a

quick break. So congratulations to the Kansas City Ves World Champions, super Bowl Champs as they will celebrate and um in congratulations to Rihanna and more importantly, congratulations to Rihanna for not only performance but expecting baby number two. What we're gonna do, We're gonna take quick break because when we come back, we're gonna open the phone lines. That's right, the hot line is open and we're going to talk to you. We're gonna do that right after this. Welcome

back to the most dramatic podcast ever. Chris Harrison, Lauren Zema with you here in Austin, Texas, and we are all about taking your calls today, your comments, your questions. The phone lines are open and our first call coming in from Wisconsin. Heather, how are you doing tonight? Hi? How are you doing great? We're in Wisconsin. UM, outside of Milwaukee suburbs of Milwaukee. Got a great town. By the way, Milwaukee, did you ever take the show there?

It's underrated. We did go because it was it. Nick file right, he's Milwaukee guy and uh and I also back in the day, I was in c double a tournament spot for the University of Oklahomwarming basketball and we were in Milwaukee. Anyway, Heather, we digress. This is about you.

What's your question? That's okay? UM, My question was I was wondering if you had any thoughts or comments or suggestions based on your years on the franchise of The Bachelor, if there's any changes that could be done, either small or big, that could potentially result in more relationships lasting or even if it's not forever, that they last for

a more significant a more significant relationship. Um, you know, the last few seasons, you know, the last I think at least three bachelorettes and a couple of bachelor's, um, you know, haven't had very good success rates, whereas if you look at Bachelor in Paradise, you do have a

lot more relationships that come out as that. Obviously it's a different format, but thinking about the traditional show, if you had any thoughts like, perhaps not you know, obviously it makes great television to have really over the top dates, but it's also not like real life, so perhaps dates that are a little bit more normal, or spending time with each other's friends more when you get to the end, UM just kind of was wondering your thoughts because it

just kind of feels like, you know, not a lot of relationships have actually lasted too long. I mean not everyone falls in love in a hot air balloon or naked on a beach. And uh, you know that's funny. I heard that all throughout my years of hosting the show of people like come, this isn't unrealistic, And I said, you know what's not fun is seeing our normal lives, Like you're right, l Z and I were not jetting off every day. That's not our everyday date. We go

to movies, we go to dinners. Um. But obviously that doesn't make for great soap opera TV. And this is entertainment. It's escapism. It's as much about taking you away from that life as it is trying to represent it. But that was always an issue for us, Heather all along, and it was from day one. We probably didn't do a great job of facilitating those relationships, and then we realized how we could better facilitate and we did a decent job along the way. Um, but the show. One

of the things I loved about it. It It was never predicated on the fact that it worked. It is wonderful when you get lightning in a bottle and you see Tristan Ryan or Seauan and Catherine and you have those moments. But the great thing about the show is it's so relatable because I don't know if you're married or dating or what have you, but um, it's relatable in that

we all go through breakups. We all make those mistakes on night one, even if you're into heati or you know, it's on a grander scale, what's happening there is real, and that's what I thought was always so relatable. I also, you know who always gives good advice about this is Shan Low, the the one bachelor who is with the person. Yeah, but I mean, how the you're so right right, because you've got to meet people's friends, you have to integrate

yourselves into their real lives. And every time I interviewed Sean and Catherine, you know the sometimes this would come up, and Sean would always say and Catherine would always say,

we started living in normal life after the show. Like I think Sean did Dancing with the Stars and they talked about how that was kind of hard, but they said they made sure to be together, that they were together as much as they could be, because you know, also right after the show they're pressed things and and you know, then as you're watching the show, all this

other stuff's coming out. I think a lot of from what I remember when I interviewed people, a lot of the couples would say they struggled with rewatching the show. I think it's so important after the show for them to spend time together and to try to live a

normal life together. And that's really a telltale marker. And that's a good point because you know, Tristan Ryan went back to vail Um, you know, I know Molly and Jason there was the big switch, but they actually came from the show as well, but they went off to Seattle to live their life. Jaden Tanner, I know that's paradise, but again they went to live their life in southern California. And so Elz brings up a good point. Those that can not remove yourself. I don't think that's ever a

fair thing to say, oh, we're done with the show. Um, although god, I feel bad they keep just pulling poor Shawn Low out of the closet and making him be on every season. It's like, you're all we got, man, You're the only thing that you have left on this show. Please come back. Um. So, but there are other couples, and I agree with l Z. In life and in television, it's important to go back to normal as much as you can and try not to live this y know each other that well when you come off the show,

you still have a lot to learn. I mean, Arian Lauren too, even though their season was a little obviously crazy at the end and yeah, yeah exactly. But it's just interesting because I think it is what makes the show so fun to watch are especially now that the show is back to traveling. Um makes it wonderful to watch. But then you also get like, you know, invested in these relationships a little bit and rooting for them, and then it's you know, kind of sad when you know

when it doesn't work out. But it's also fun as a viewer of course to watch it not be like you said not, it's not as exciting if it's just totally normal life. However, you look at shows like Love Is Blind and Like and it's very popular, but that's very boring if you think about it. They're just sitting in these times talking to each other and there's not these fantasy days. However, it's a Heather tearing the Heather. I think you're ready to produce TV exactly. There's network

executives going, oh my gosh, this is killing us. Um, you're right, it's it's Look, all the different formats are interesting. I find it compelling. I try to watch, um, a little bit of each of them, just to see what everybody's doing. There's you know, there's obviously the Bachelor Bachelrette version. Then there's so many twists and concepts out there. Um. But Heather, I appreciate you, uh listening to the most dramatic podcast ever. I hope you've enjoyed that. I hope

you find this genuine and very normal. Absolutely now, it's been great. Thanks and Lauren to you. Take care. Heather from Wisconsin. We're gonna head just a little north of Wisconsin, and I want to give a quick shout out because of all all the fans. When we went to Canada, it was absolutely massive up there. And we're going to Toronto. Tommy is joining us on the line. Hey Tommy, how's it going? Chris Harris and how are you, buddy? I'm good man. I was just giving a shout out to

all the Canadians. And I'm telling from the East coast and West coast, from Toronto all the way over to Whistler, Vancouver. You guys were Calgary in between. Were so great to us. We're just such huge support. You know what it's it's it's the feeling is mutual. Um. You know, I found that I didn't watch it on the original network. I always watched it through ABC, so I never really knew how Canada watched it, but I watched it through the

American lens instead. Um. And I know that every every single person they like, they like to edit up there in Canada guidelines and stuff. Um. But you know I I dude, and and Lauren Hello, nice to meet you as well too. Um. I met you and Alberto when you co hosted with Kelly. But oh my god, so

many many many many many years ago. Yes in banf at Banff, Yes, at the at the hotel, they're at the conference center, very nice and it was it was one of those experienced Chris is where I have to point out that this is what made me really mad about the media, about the spin about the tabloids, is what happened to you. I found, Um, even though you are a professional, you also are human being and I felt that when I met you, I thought, Oh, don't

meet the people you like. It's one of those scary things you do in life where you meet the people on TV and they could be absolute, um terrible people. And when I met you, you were touch a nice guy. You you were you were actually talkative. You gave me a minute of your time, and it was just you guys were taping a lot, and you guys were doing a lot, and you just were very genuine, very nice

and very humble. And I was wondering during the experience of what you went through, what you went through as Chris Harrison and Lauren yourself as well too. I know you struggled through it as well, Um, how did you get through that? Mental health wise? Everybody is talking about

mental health right now. It's really important that we talked about it and keep that discussion going, because I think the more people that talk about, including high profiles people like you UM talk about what they felt and how and their feelings and if they had anxiety, or if they had this or that or obviously you're doing this right now, which I'm so proud of you for doing because I find that you're talking your truth, UM, and I think that's amazing. You shouldn't be shut off, you

shouldn't be canceled, you shouldn't be anything. You're You're more than just anything. You're You're Chris Harrison, You're don Chris Harrison. I felt for you a lot to those moments because I thought you were very genuine and when g m A and all them slammed you, I just I just wondered, how did you get through all that? How was how was that? Did you did you use yoga? Did you um use meditation? Obviously you had your family's support, UM,

but can you can you expand on that a little bit? Yeah? Well, first of all, thanks for for the kind words, Tommy. I truly appreciate it, and I vividly remember that was the first time I ever got to host Live with Kelly. At the time, they were looking for the new host and so I had flown out too. I think it was somewhere in vamp and when we shot that, it was awesome. It was a great experience. And I'm glad

you mentioned mental health. It's something that's very important to Lauren and I. We are huge backers of the Grant Haliburton Foundation, which is a teen suicide prevention UM big charity and organization in Dallas. We support and hosted the AIM Gala up in Monterey Peninsula, which is also suicide prevention mental health, but it's also kind of coming at it from a little bit of a different medical perspective, but those were were huge and believe in mental health

and talking about it, not shying away from it. Suicide is such a huge issue in our country and Canada as well. Sorry, I don't mean to uh negate Canada there because that's where this call is coming from. But um, that's huge for us, and so I appreciate the question. Yeah, but we I felt like as far as my mental health, and there were there were good days and bad days,

and we definitely had our low points. UM, but just having that background and that foundation of my friends, my family, knowing where my worth is, my faith not to talk a lot about religion, but it's important to me. And that's what I knew was always going to be there. And knowing l Z was real, knowing my kids were real, my friends who aren't in the business were real, and they didn't they're not They're not fair weather fans that

came and went with the success of the show. And so those people I always knew were going to be there. And when you have that, you still have your bad days and you question everything and you cry and you have those low points, but you have people to support you and to fall back on. And what are you saying that? Chris Harrison cries as well. To Chris Harrison, I'm you see all you see all the contestants get emotional, but you'd ever see you, dude, I'm a ball bag. Um.

It's funny. I could probably count on one hand how many times I cried before the day my daughter was born. Something about when my daughter was born, I lost it. And I mean commercials uh, watching a movie anything, you know, Father of the Bride, forget about it. It just ruined you. And and my daughter started singing. She was a performer in theater. Anytime she's on stage, I'm crying it's over. Yeah. No, I've turned into a big ball bag in my old age, Tommy. Yeah,

what about you, Lauren? Well, yeah, such a good question. And it's funny. I was just reading the other day this um this study, and it was the longest study ever done on people's happiness, on what makes us happy. It's something they've studied people for something like seventy to eighty years, and the most important factor to happiness was relationships,

was having solid friends and family in people's lives. And I thought, gosh, that's so true, right, because you know, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don't have people you love to share your life with what you have, so um and I think

this Chris just said, it was those relationships. I mean, I think it was important bablic for me watching you even if your friendship would just say, hey, let's let's just go like do a bike ride right now, you know it's kind of get away and you guys could escape a little bit and talk. And you mentioned talking, Tommy. I mean, I think that's something that has been a little hard for us because in with what we went through,

people are telling you shut up, go away. We don't want to hear from you, we want you to not exist and so yeah, yeah, and we talked about like I know who I am. Yeah, so they you know, there are some people who become very loud about wanting you to be very silent UM. And I do think talking about what you're doing, is talking about what you're

struggling with is so important UM. But I also think Chris talked a lot about like time we really it's that combination of taking time to reflect and then talking about what you need help with UM, which I mean, I'm doing. This podcast really has helped me a lot now. But I don't think I would have been ready to

talk about it so much a year ago. And I would just add one more group that was always there and Tommy that you you and so many more fans who reached out to me, d M S, Twitter or whatever it was and supported Lauren and I NonStop and sent the people did. I think a lot of people were. They did, and it was scared to they even and I'm glad that people did. And the other thing I wanted to ask you really quickly is that you're really

close to people who are still part of UM. The Bachelor franchise, and of course wells Um and I see you guys at your golf tournaments become of the fun Instagram stuff he does. And also on the show here on the podcast, did you have any advice for Sarah when she was gonna google violence? Did you asked for peacock? Did you did you give her? I know it's a totally different show. I know it's not The Bachelor. I

know it's not. Did you ever say to her like, hey, like you know, like this is how you do the dramatic pause, or I'm the king of that, like I can I can give you a few hints? Or do you think that she she? She? She because she she did a great job. She she handled it well. And um you know she's kind of in the franchise a little bit too, because of the fact that you know she she Wells is in the franchise and in paradise.

So I was just wondering if you ever because you're still friends with the people who stayed with you through everything, which you have to say, that's so it's a very important part of your mental health is having your friends, and um, so is being friends with Sarah and wells Um and and being part of their life, did you ever give them advice like, for example, what you experienced and what some good things like what she's doing with

with love, violence and over our peacock. Great question. Actually no, we we never talked about it, and I didn't know before.

I didn't know before. I would be interested to ask her, And someday, now that you brought this up, I'll have to ask her if being a fan of the show, because her and Wells watched the episodes, they watched The Bachelor and Bacherette all the time, I wonder if that helped her at all, if she she got any But the thing about Sarah is a she's a world class actor, but also she's a phenomenal stage actor and comes from that background. So live that ad lib, that charisma, that charm.

It's not surprising to me that she took to it so quickly and was so good at it, because she is an amazing actress. I was always thinking when I was watching it, I was just like, I wonder if Chris has you know, told told some stuff from that and gave some points that's really interesting. Well, I gotta say, you, guys, I'm really impressed with how everything's going and I'm right now traveling. I'm in Seattle as we stand. But you know, as somebody from Toronto and Canada, you know, there's so

much Bachelor love. There's so much love, and I wish you nothing but the best. I hope that we see you on our TV screen sometime soon or in some sort of media. But this is the best way and the way that you get to tell your truth and you don't have anybody censoring you, and the way that you show your love with Lauren, I think is just it's fantastic. We need we need this, We need we need people talking positive. We need people talking about how we get through our stuff, and people like you who

have gone through who I don't think did that. UM, but you you are, you are, You are a great guy, and you you were my childhood basically because we have a Bachelor on UM every single every single week. My mom would watch it more than anything. And I know people that just praise you, so thank you so much. Thanks Tommy. I appreciate it, and uh, good luck with everything. God bless him. I loved everyone up in Canada. Thanks Tommy. What a doll Tommy. Oh my gosh, his voice made

me happy and I love this. I love truly taking calls, having the hotline open um. I appreciate everybody reaching out, and it is true. Canada was always so huge their support. It was just amazing every time we went up there. And I remember when they started The Canadian Bachelor, they did their own version, they used ours as well, and then they started their own version and they flew me up to Toronto to promote it. And this is years ago, and I just it was wild how many people were

into the show up there. I truly appreciated it. Let's go to Kristen in Baltimore, Maryland. Who elz she has a wedding question. I don't know if it's about ours or hers. Kristen, Hi, Laren, Hi, Chris, how are you guys? We are having the best time. You have a wedding question? Is it about hours or yours? It is I'm going to give you guys a little more fun, easy going hypothetical questions. I wanted to know first before I get to the question. I want to kind of go off

of it. Tommy said, let's just submit. Chris Harrison is the vote of hosting of all time. I mean, you've just you've made, You've said the standards for everyone, and I've really enjoyed watching your career or I don't know, ten plus years that i've watched The Bachelor, UM, and I've really enjoyed hearing from Lauren and getting to know you a little bit more through this podcast. And I

really appreciate seeing and hearing a different facet of you, Chris. UM. I know you you don't want to harp on the religion, but I enjoy hearing that that viewpoint from you. I enjoy having this freedom of a platform where you can express those views, um, which I also hold. So it's really nice to hear that. Thank you, Christian thought light like that. Yeah, So onto the question. I was just wondering, if you hypothetically were to have anybody from Bachelor Nation

officiates your wedding, who would it be. If it's someone special to you and Lauren, that you're close with, someone julive enough the event, who would that be? Kristen? What a great question I'm gonna saw for a minute. Well Chris thinks about that, I can see his mind spinning. I know who you know what? I know who My answer is, So let's say it to get do you have yours? Well, I was going to say we should say it together a little bit of I'm gonna have a little bit of a cheat, like I think I

would cheat a little bit. You're gonna cheat, and I would probably multiple performers. Oh my gosh, he's producing our wedding, Kristen. He's gonna have multiple officiants. He's producing it. Okay, give me your first choice. We'll say it together on three and see what's the same one to three. Andrew Firestone for sure. Yeah, he's our dear friend. Um, yes, yeah, that dates everybody. Um, Andrew was gosh, maybe five, maybe our fifth batch or somewhere around there. Um, he was

a dear friend. He's a very very good friend of ours now he was a good friend of mine for many years. And then obviously el Z's got to meet her and his beautiful wife, Ivanna and the kids. Another one though, that's right there. Um would be Bob Guinney, because Bob is hilarious and also a very good friend. But he's a showman. And if there is a guy, they're they're very similar. If you have Bob Guiney and Andrew Firestone in a bar, in a restaurant wherever. Everybody.

They just to have this gravitational pull. It's like they are the pie piper. Everybody will just go to them. It is this amazing thing that I've always envied so much. And they both have so much energy. I think Bob Andrew was number three. I looked it up. I think Bob was too. See you are going old school. But Bob was right after Trista because he Bob was on Trista season um and he but it was funny because

he had a broken leg. He had played football at Michigan State or something like that, had broken his leg, and so everyone kind of thought he and again, Bob's gonna kill me. But he was a little bit chubby at the time because he was in a cast. And then he came back for The Bachelor and he was like all fit. Everybody was like, who's this guy? Whoa Bob? He was ready for the shirtless scenes? What about Bob? I also think Ben Higgins would be a great just

because he is He's such a faithful person. He's very faith driven. He would take it very serious and he would do a very good job. I agree, But and Ben has kind of a what's the word, like a calmness to him. He has that gravitas, which would be nice for appreciating a wedding. Now bachelorette's Oh yes, good call, baby, can't leave the bachelorettes out, you know, I can't forget that. Oh no, I love my love my ladies. I love

all my bachelorettes. Um. I was like trying. I mean, obviously you know the goat Trista Um, but I would rather her just sit front and center, you know, just like in a in her chair and like a you know, like a queen's chair. That's how I always see Chris Trista. Um, let's see Jojo. I think, yeah, she would be really fun. If I wanted it really irreverent, I could go back to Jillian Harris. Um. That's a great question. I love this. I love what a phenomenal question, Kristin. Who would you

pick for us? Thank? Yeah? Who would you like to see that? Yeah? Ben would be great or Sean. I think Sean would also kind of give that reverence irreverence. You are you smiling? Because Sean was just going to have fifty dad jokes. Oh no, Sean would be great too, I was thinking, and he's so funny. I was thinking, that's nice because you were at Seawan and Catherine's wedding and then we could have Sean do ours. And Ben holds a special place in our heart too, because Ben

was my introduction to the Bachelor franchise. He was the first season that I ever covered the show. So Ben's like my O g so gosh, we might be calling Ben Higgins fishy. Kristin, thank you, you just planned our wedding. Oh you're welcome. I also want to say, Lauren, I really appreciate your non sporty side because I also feel

that way with my husband constantly watching sports. We're having the one the Pinnacle this weekend with the Eagles, Go Birds, but after that, hopefully a little less on this side. Oh my gosh, Chris, and I gotta tell you, for a minute, I stopped to think. I was like the Pinnacle, you're talking about super Bowls this weekend? Got it? Thank you,

Thank you, Kristen Kristin, thank you so much. Thanks for well, thanks for calling, thank you for your kind words, and most importantly, thanks for listening to the most dramatic podcast ever it is. You mentioned that it's about having this forum, and that has been wonderful to have this platform to talk to you and to talk to everybody, so truly appreciate it. Thanks so Muchee from Baltimore. Let's go West Coast No, cal Stockton, California. Gracie is on the line. Hey, Gracie,

Hi Chris. Oh my god, she's so bubbly. I love everybody's like, just vibe. Oh my god, you guys just devay story last night. Oh my god, made my entire freaking week. Love that glad. Luckily Chris is there to save me with household tasks. Gracie, When I tell you this, this is not performative. This was happening. So what what Gracie is alluding to is, uh, Lauren did this whole string of stories about trying to put the dove on our bed back in the duve a cover. It was

the night of the State of the Union. So I'm in there watching the State of Union and all that stuff going on. I didn't know where Lauren was. I had no idea. Gracie and I walk in and I found her, like you saw in the video, just lying there, deflated and defeated on the ground. I had no idea what was going on. Back in our room. Well that you had to do everything last night. You had to. He had to fill me in on the state of the Union, and he had to finish the task. But

thank you, grazie. It's so good to hear from you. So what's on your mind. Well, I just wanted to say thank you guys for putting yourself out there, UM and Chris I have supported you and Lawrence in day one, and thank you guys for doing the show and um speaking your truth and letting people speak their truth. Thank you from all of us. UM, it just really wanted to hear it, you know well and likewise by away,

thank you. UM, just thank you because we felt your support, we felt your love, and you have been amazing, as has everybody who has reached out to us. So just know that it has been equally impressive and important for Lauren and I to feel that love coming from you guys. Well, thank you that what you guys fill us with, the last the tears, the joy, It's amazing. There's tons of choices of podcast out there, but if people have not tuned into yours, they need to. It just is a

breath of truth and um chiness of the world. NEETs. So thank you guys, both of you. We can promise one thing. You're going to get the truth, the good, the bad, the ugly, the duvets, all of it. Do you a question for us? How can we what can we do for you? No? I just wanted to say, that's it. Oh my god, I love it. Gracie just called in to spread some love, Greasy. Thank you. That's it. Thank you for calling. And I hope you'll and I hope you'll keep listening. Absolutely all right, take take care

of Gracie. I love that. Wow, what a sweetheart, Gracie with the grace, just being kind. I just called to say, I love you. Dad joke, dad joke, dad song quote, dad song quote. At least I didn't misquote it. Brittany. We're going to go from west coast back to the east coast in Greenville, South Carolina. Brittany has a question that involves the podcast. All right, what's on your mind? Brittany? Hi there? How are you guys who doing the n I am we are having the best time. This has

been amazing. Oh my gosh, this is so exciting. I can't tell you how exciting it is to have just even just your voice back on radio. I guess if if I close my eyes, it feels like I'm watching Bachelor. It feels like I'm watching Bachelor again. It's nice to have a familiar, familiar voice again. But I had a question UM as far as Bachelor Nation UM cast members.

I did not know, UM, if you had if you could divulge, if you had anyone lined up so far from Bachelor Nation that you were UM plan on having on the show, Any contestants you were excited to catch up with, or any contestants you were curious to have back to maybe have a difficult conversation or close the air, clear the air rather UM, or maybe Jesse Palmer on this, you know, have that conversation with the two of you. I wasn't sure if there was a relationship there, what

that conversation would look like. You know, there's I think what we would do is the way this is kind of manifested itself, UM Brittany is when something topical, something relatable comes up, like Caitlin Bristow did that interview and all of a sudden the headlines hit and it really made sense to have her on the show. UH subsequently been in Welles when we were at the golf tournament and Chris Lane had his locker right next to Ben, I said, guys, we have to do a podcast. This

is amazing. So it made sense. Um, I will divulge that Ari and Lauren are definitely going to be coming on soon because they have something exciting that we're going to talk about that LZ and I took part in that. Uh, I'll just leave it there. And I can also tell you breaking news. Hannah Brown and I are going to be talking very very soon about something that she took part in and something that we're promoting. But also just catching up with Hannah that I haven't talked to her.

We've texted back and forth a little bit, but haven't talked to her in a little while. And so it is nice to get some of the old friends and cast members on and and we can talk because there is so much to talk about because we had these inside stories and inside relationships, and those relationships have grown and continued far beyond the show, and so I love

reaching back and continuing that. So those are a couple more and then I think, look as time goes on, if it makes sense, if it's something topical and newsworthy and I think you guys would find it interesting. Then yeah, we'll do it right. That's so exciting. I think it's going to be so um. I hate to use the

word eclectic. I don't know quite the right word to use, but I feel almost like comforting to in a sense for everyone, not only having you back and having your voice, you know, on a podcast, um, but also being able to hear you interact with Bachelor Nation again, the cast members, because I know that's something that you know people are missing and just kind of a comfort to so many of us. So I really look forward to hearing who you have on the show and kind of having a

little little throwback time of Chris Harrison. I love that. So that's maybe that's a new show throwback time with c h Thank you, Brittany, I appreciate it. Thanks for calling in you too. Um. Yeah, you know when it makes sense, uh, I think you know, we'll always bring people on when it's um interesting, when when we got something to talk about, when it's dramatic, when it's dramatic, and Caitlin definitely made it dramatic for us, and so

did Chris Lane and Ben Higgins. I by the way I saw that Chris Lane had had kind of done he did his own interview or he said, Look, I would have loved to have played with Ben. I like that. They they it's mutual admiration society. They really got along um behind the scenes. When we were at the bar that night, that very first night, it could have been awkward, and everyone got along so well and has moved on because look, timing everything was meant to happen the way

it did. They've they, Chris and Lauren have Now there's so many Lauren's in our life. Ari and Lauren, Chris and Lauren, Chris, Chris and Lauren. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of us. Okay, we have someone very excited. We're going back up to Canada, this time to Ottawa, Ontario. Um, a very very excited. Well, we have a Lauren on the lawn. Oh my gosh, Hi Lauren, it's Lauren. How are you Lauren? When I was talking about all Lauren's, I didn't see that we have a Lauren.

You know what? Lauren? Before we get to your question, can I ask you, as a watcher of the show, which I would, I would guess you watch Bachelor yes, okay, So was it hard for you. There were a couple of seasons there where there were I think it was in the Lauren at the time Bushnell years. There were a couple of seasons where it would be like five Lauren's in one season, and then I'm covering the show and I as Lauren, I'm interviewing all these Lauren's and

saying my own name. It was so weird and confusing. Did you find that where there's some seasons you were watching You're like, oh my god, everyone's name Lauren. Oh god, it was more like the story of my life. My last name is also, Oh your last name is Smith, like a billy and Lauren Smith's in the world, doesn't It is just another day. Well, you're going to be Lauren s Lauren. Nice to meet Lauren. What's going on? What's your question? Nice to me? You too? Well, I uh, Chris,

You're wonderful. But I have to say, Lauren, I'm a huge Lauren's Ema fan. Oh my gosh. I think you were fantastic and I got to know you through your Roses and Rose Show and it was my favorite part of watching The Bachelor, Bachelorette or whatever. We were watching. Um, it was just the biggest treat to come watch in your take on what's going on, nobody else's take on what's going on is as funny or clever as yours, and you and I happened to be I think about

the same age. UM, so all of your reference points are my absolute favorite from Harry Potter weird nineties shows. YEA question is, well, do you think you would ever do anything like that again? I really you're maybe not so much in the bachelor world anymore, and that's totally understandable. UM, but do we get to see joy who you are and how your take on things beyond just like Instagram and stuff like that. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much. And yes we are right there in the

same age. Happy early birthday. UM. And you know, us millennials, we've been through enough, haven't we. Chris is rolling his eyes, UM, Lauren, thank you. Yes, UM, I will absolutely love to do something like that again. UM. I think I I've really taken uh you know, this time to um kind of rebound. I guess I've been working a lot lately on getting back on Instagram a lot more. I I do think I shut down for a little bit with um, everything that Chris and I went through. Honestly, um wow, I'm

really just I'm unloading on you, Lauren. But I've been working on opening back up again and I would love to do that again. It was truly the joy of my day every day at work. Um and yeah, so you know, I think Chris and I have some stuff in the works and I absolutely want to do something

along those lines again. Yes, yeah, Well that's really exciting and absolutely understandable that you would need time and space to regroup because of course, like I know, you're you're coming, You're obviously coming from an authentic place when you do what you do, and you have to be a human and and heal anyway in order to regroup and be able to do something like that again. So Lauren, thank you, thank you for your support. I really appreciate it. I'll

get weird again. We're gonna get weird again, I promise. Awesome. I look forward to it. Lauren. What Harry Potter House are you? Yes? Strong huff energy from Laurende It I could feel. Yeah, every time I take the quiz, It's like hufflepuff every time. I love it. Lauren, Thank you it's so good to talk to you. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for jotting nice. I appreciate it, all right, take care of and you know, it's funny your Roses and Rose. You've been doing it for a while and I hadn't

really watched that much. And it was really when we started dating that I got into it and then got obsessed with it. And I really it was almost like I wanted an advanced copy because I wanted to know, like what you were going to find funny, what you were going to dive into. It was always interesting to me, like what I would watch the show and here's what I would think, But it was always fascinating to see what you would find comedy in We would take away

different things. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was it was fun to see to like play that game with each other and analyze everything. And people would ask me if you watched it, and I'm like, yess, he watches that every ligiously. I got so into it. I loved my my weekly Rose and Rose update, and it was an honor and this is not a joke, when I got to come on and play a part for you, because it was you know, we always do some sort of a bizarre acting. And I'm not as good as an

actor as you are. But it was fun when I got to come on the show and do it, and it was because you and I were dating, and it was fun when I got to go in and just be on set with you. Well, it sounds like we should do something together in television again. Interesting. That's Oh, that's interesting. One of my favorite lines from Friends. It's very obscure. Here's a question. You didn't watch Roses and Rose until after we started dating. I knew about it,

but I wasn't an avid watcher. Okay, so what you had, had you seen it at all? Be honest? Yes, you know, I knew. I knew of it. I know about just I know about everything that's kind of going on, especially something that was that popular. Is on entertainment tonight, and I mean that's a huge part of pop culture of what you were doing, and it was really popular. But I wouldn't sit down and watch it religiously every week. I would catch bits of it. Know that. Well, your

answer makes me happy because I was wondering. I was going to ask you if you had watched it before we started dating, would you still have dated me? Well? You didn't lean in kind of a Guilfy show. You didn't do as many Voldemort impersonations when we first started dating, lean fully into them. Now now Baltimore is here on the rig and what what? What was funny? Is your take? And I vividly remember this because it was about the time when I really started to notice you and the

show and Roses was the Colton season. Can you remember how much you and I forget your producer's name? J C made fun of me running after Colton, running after set it too, like I want to run to you by Whitney Houston. Yeah, well it was a great moment in TV. Can I tell you honestly, I think to me, Okay, Hannah came after Colton? And who was after Hannah? Who's the bachelor out of Hannah's season? I'm blinking. Does that say something I was gonna to me? Was it? Peter Webber?

Oh yeah, oh yes, Oh my gosh, How did I forget that? But I don't. That was like, that was a real crescendo of amazing nous of the show where those Colton and Hannah back to backs. Peter was great. I mean we had barbed and and clarentatious. I mean, Claire's ending with Dale was incredible, and Tastia was just so watchable and lovable. It was pandemic times and were it was interesting in that way. But you're right, there was that huge crescendo of the Colton Hannah back to

back was a strong time for the show. It was maybe the well and then Peters of many things on the show. I will never forget that night in Portugal with Colton. I will never forget at that night. How real was that? Unbelievably yeah, really ran after him. I will tell all of you now, because I'm not bound by anything, I don't have to lie about any of it. It was real. He legitimately jumped that fence and took off.

And here's why. When I came to work that night and I was on property for this, it was not where we were staying. We were at a different location for the date. I drove past a security guard who was controlling the gate. Obviously we didn't want just regular folks walking into the into the date, so there was a security guard. So when Colton jumped the fence, I assumed said security guard would still be there, so not a big deal. He's going to be right there by

the security. Well, we're in Portugal and this guy is not going to work all hours of the night. And it was very late, so the security guy had taken off. He was gone. This is like, I don't know, one or two in the morning maybe. And so when we opened the gate and I saw it was pitch black and there was nobody out there, and Colton was long gone, That's when I had at ocean moment. And it was a true ocean moment. He jumped up ging fence. That's what you said. People love when you swear because it

was so rare, the power of an occasional customer. You know what this podcast has made me realize. I don't cuss a lot, but I use the words ship from time to time. And my heart edits out the word ship. Well, ship is a cuss word. I get that, but kind of. I mean, it's not the most egregious offense. But you're right. My grandmother would still slap me upside the head if I said it. But that night definitely was a legit,

real runaway. We lost him and I and I actually got on the phone with everyone back in l A and said, guys, We've lost this human being. You're like, do we have insurance? You had one job keep track of this human being, and we lost him. I gotta be honest with the security guard of being there made a difference. Colton is a big guy, by the way, going to athletic as they come. He was like a gazelle hopping over that fence and was gone. He is.

You know, we would work out from time to time together and would run on the beaches wherever we were, and we would be jogging in on do know, Thailand or wherever we went on his season, and we'd be jogging along for a couple of miles and I'm kind of huffing and puffing, and Colton would just kind of be talking the entire time, and he'd be like, Hey, I'm just gonna stretch it out a little bit. I'll be like, okay, yeah, we can pick it up within a breath. He was a half mile ahead of you.

He just he was just like running against a deer. It was just a joke. He is an absolute freak of nature. But yes, I will admit that was a very real moment, as is this call coming in from Portland's Oregon Jessica says she has a juicy question, Jessica with the juice. Hi, jess Hi, Hi guys, how are you doing good? Bring this juice to the show? What is it? So? I've always think everyone talks about the

contracts that everyone's under while being on the show. I just was curious, like, what are those things you're not allowed to talk about? And how long you can't talk about those certain things and that kind of tea. Yeah, well, you know it's I honestly don't know the ins and

outs because I've never signed one. Yeah, contestant contract. I have a very different contract, um, you know, an employment contract that I was under, um, But as a contestant, whether it's American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, you name it. The main name of the game is to control the information. Obviously, don't give away an ending. You don't want to know who wins Dancing, You don't want to know who wins the Bachelor ahead of time, spoilers. And then it is

mostly behind the scenes stuff. Obviously they probably don't want you talking about production, how the sausage is made, so to speak. Those are the main points. And then controlling your and this is the difficult part, especially with exposure and now with influencers and Instagram, because that changed. Obviously, when we started the show back in two thousand two, none of this stuff was an issue. We didn't have to worry about Instagram and Twitter and TikTok and all

this stuff. But with the advent of all this, it had to get a little bit more strict of the content. What you're promoting and who and what what shows you're you're appearing on, and you know, probably podcasts as well, had to be run through production that can that kind of stuff. Nothing that crazy? Oh okay, wow, Why did I feel like it was so much more than that? Like, oh, when you see someone post oh I can't talk about him under contract and they have like the emoji with

their finger up to their mouth or something. It depends on It really depends on the show. It depends on the show. And it might be now honestly, having been gone, I don't know, and that they may have gotten a lot more strict, but you have to ask one of the contestants. I really don't know. But I did know that on other os, you know, like Idol and some of these other shows where they want to lock you up for the year for production purposes and releasing an album.

And you know, the same thing kind of went for The Bachelor, especially when people started getting so popular. Is being able to control them and use them for profit themselves, like having, you know, use if if Caitlin is gonna come back and host a show, we want to use her as host of the show. And so I definitely had no say in that, and that was well above my pay grade. And so I don't know, I'd have to I'd have to get a copy of one of the contestants contracts to honestly see what's in there. I

really truly don't know. Z being the investigative reporter, would probably know more than me. Well yeah, just totally. I mean this was even before we were dating, so it was a couple of years ago. But I've seen a contract. I've had contestants share their contracts with me before. Um, I haven't I read it years ago, so I couldn't tell you that super speci civic details. But I will say that I had a lawyer tell me that they

thought the contract was quote nuts, Okay. They the contracts are apparently pretty over the top in terms of what they try to cover about the person's life. Yes, where lawyers are involved, I'm sure right, they're gonna try and just cover every angle and you know, overdo it. Um. But I appreciate, uh, I appreciate the question, and more importantly, I appreciate you listening to the most dramatic podcast ever.

Have you enjoyed it so far? Yes? Absolutely. Yeah. I'm a big and a big Bachelor franchise fan, a big Chris Harrison fan for a long time. So I just was scrolling through Instagram and said call now. I was like, heck, yeah, I'm gonna call now. So anyway, that's why I'm here and I love that. And Jessica can now clear it up if anybody thinks these calls aren't legit. I mean I I put the number up on Instagram and we are truly taking calls from all over North America apparently

because we've been up to Canada a few times. And I love that We've kind of criss crossed the country, gone up to Canada and been across there as well. So it's been a great night. I love taking your calls and love talking to you. Jessica. Appreciate Thanks guys, Thanks Elsie, thank you Elze, I hate to do this, but we we got to put a rap on this. Wow. Okay, well, I can't believe that I have seen a bachelor contract and you haven't. I don't even know. Yeah, I haven't

even thought about it. I never even thought to look at somebody's contract or ask about it. I don't, so, you know, honestly, there was so it was so far above my pay grade, and there were so many other issues and things that I would deal with and had to worry about that, you know. Getting into that minutia was never I've heard people talk about it and how tough it is and all that, but I've never really gotten into the nuts and bolts of it all. But

you have. I love that. I want to say thank you to all of the callers, everybody who up on the line to talk to us here tonight, Elz. This has been great. Oh my gosh, everybody made me feel so happy. Thank you guys. Um And we had a couple of juicy questions. But now next time we do this, I want to be put to the test. I want people calling in with some really intense Please be careful what you wish for. I don't know if you want to open that can of worms. But it was great.

I love that we had this. We criss crossed the country from east coast, west coast all the way up to Canada, so we have covered North America and it has been a wonderful experience. And just no because we've got so many positive comments tonight, just know that we have felt the same and that your comments, your support always meant the world to us, and it's why we're

doing this. That's why we're doing this podcast. We love having this platform so we can talk to you and we can have nights like this, and we'll do this from time to time. I think at least once a month for sure, we will open the phone lines and talk to you. Yes, thank you so much, everybody. Great to talk to you. We will talk to you next time on the Most Dramatic Podcast Ever because we have

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