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a big ask. And she took a girl's trip this week. And if you've been following her social media, which you should, by the way, if you're not following l Z on social you're missing out maybe the most entertaining social media site ever. But it's something we really believe in. We've always believed in. Is is having our separate lives and taking those girls trips, taking those boys trips, and you know, they they feed your soul in ways that I can't.

And so I appreciate that, and I appreciate she has dear friends that she really has had for most of her adult life. And I think that's important. And I remember I was actually dating somebody early on after my divorce, and they had no girlfriends, no very few friends at all, and I thought, that's that is a red flag. So one of the things I love about Elzi is she has so many dear friends in her life that she makes a priority and wants to spend time with. So

Lzi is not going to be with me today. Filling in and joining me today is Tor Spelling Donna Martin nine O two one oh fame. There are so many things I want to talk to Tori about, and I am excited that she's joining us on the show. So, without further ado, Hey Tori, how you doing today? Thank you so much for being here. Hi Chris Harrison, we have never met, we are we haven't watch you every week? I guess well, our paths have never crossed. I thought

about this today. I'm like, and I probably have interviewed you at some point when I was doing red carpet stuff, but or we've probably been at the same event. But yeah, we've never had the opportunity to spend some time together. And so I am so happy to get to spend a little time with you today and get to know you in the and chat and then I have to say your whole name every time I talk to you, because I just you're just Chris Harrison to me. So it happens. And by the way, it's okay, that's what

people do that in public. Uh. Lauren's EMA does not do that to me, thankfully, but speaking of it would be awkward. Elz is not here. She is on a girl's trip. And usually we kicked the show off by doing headlines. And so if you don't mind, you want to jump in and do headlines with me, I would love it. The first one we're going to talk about is this Megan Fox story. Obviously, her and machine Gun Kelly uh broke up and she got off Instagram, just got got done with it, pulled it off, but she

came back. Megan Fox reactivated her Instagram accounts Sunday and shared a post noting that there was no cheating involved in her relationship with Machine Gun Kelly. So days after, she deleted all the photos of herself and and machine Gun. Do we call a machine gun? Um? I think we do? Yeah? Mr gunn uh m g K from her profile, so she removed all all the Instagram then she posted there

has been no third party interference. In this relationship of any kind that includes, but is not limited to actual humans d M s a I bots or succubus demons. While I do hate to rob you of running random, baseless news stories that would have been much more accurately written by chat g pt uh, you need to let this story die and leave all of these innocent people alone. Now, First of all, I love the sense of humor, but Tory, what's your take on this? So I did a deep dive.

I went down the rabbit hole on Sunday because I was not watching football. So I literally I r L in real type, I R I r D. Yeah, in real time, I was in real life. I was like watching this happen, and I went on to Instagram and people were still like saying, oh my god, she's like the burning of the letter and all that. And then all of a sudden, her Instagram disappeared and they weren't putting it on the news. I was looking at the

news feed simultaneously. Why I was doing this, I don't know. Sorry, really bored, but um yeah, I watched her Instagram disappeared and I was fascinated by this. And then there was all that talk that you followed three people. It was eminem Um, one other and Timothy Shallow me, which I was like, Oh, that's a very mg K reference. I feel like that could be her next it seemed personal taking um. But yeah, this whole thing played out interferences.

Odd that she puts that because it happened during the super Bowl, I would say, kind of took over the super Bowl news except for Rihanna. Well, but what do you think about her only coming back to say, hey, there's no third party, he wasn't cheating. I I don't know.

I don't know. I have a lot of feelings about this because I keep looking the person they're talking about, a Sophie Lloyd, who's guitarist, and then if you look at his ex Summer Ray, if you meld the three of them together, there one person really, one beautiful person, by the way, one hot person. Yeah. I kind of have a hot take on this. Okay, what is it? And it was it got kind of personal for me, and I felt I liked that she did this, and

here's why. So I went through a very public divorce after being married for seventeen years, two kids and all this stuff, and being the host of the show. I was hosting the Batchelor Bachelrette series. Obviously, everything quickly went to, oh, he's probably cheating, He's probably you know, sleeping around with these girls, and that's probably what has driven the wedge between him. That's instantly what everybody ran to, and that

couldn't have been further from the truth. And as much as the tabloids tried to make that happen, they couldn't make that story stick. And actually, my ex wife and I had this conversation because it was very amicable and we were still on talking terms. She said, you want me to say something, and this was back during our divorce. She said, you want me to go public and actually make a statement like this, And we decided no. I said, you know, when you throw more gasoline on the fire,

it's just only gonna exacerbate this. That was my feeling at the time. But I respected the fact that she had thought that through as well and was willing to make that statement public. And so I kind of respect the fact that Megan could have been a martyr. She could have said just let this stuff go and everyone, oh, whoa was Megan Fox and he's cheating on her, and she could have gotten the sympathy vote, but she didn't do that. She took that away to make this statement.

So I don't know if that's the reason she did it, but I respect that only because it kind of hit home for me. I understand that. And um, yeah, I went through a very public divorce as well, and you know, you always wish it was handled like you and your ex. That is great. Um, you're right. Megan is no victim, and she never plays that card. Um, she says it like it is. I don't know though, that there wasn't something going on here. And you know what, you make

a really good point. It's always the man that they say is the person doing it. What if it's the woman? You know, what if she cheated on him. I don't know the actual percentage, but it is either equal, I think even larger. That more females, more women cheat on their spouses than men. Right there, you go. What if the dishonesty was like he said, he took the trash out but he didn't. Right, But that that's that's immediately

what it went to. Well, it's it's you know, on the like the tabloids, and you and I are no stranger to this. Go straight to that obviously it's juicy, it gets headlines, and then whether it's true or not really doesn't matter because then they can report on if it's not true. And again, this one thing that Megan did do is now give this story legs. Now people

can write about this, and that's what they want. And that's why we chose to remain silent, because I knew there was no validity to my bs, and I knew it would blow away. As much as they were trying to call around town and see who I was sleeping around with, I knew there was nothing there, so I knew it would go away. And it helps when you can, you know, put your head down at night and there's

no skeletons in your closet. But I found it interesting that she only came back just to say this and did it with a great sense of humor as well. She always has a really fun, dark sense of humor, which I appreciate because I think she's hot. I've only met her once when she she came in and I interviewed, I think I'm actually talking to Brian Austin Green, someone you know, and um, she came in with him, and so I met her years and years ago. I don't know if you know her. I actually worked with Megan

years ago on a series. This is how funny. They really got it wrong this time. They we were in a pilot together and I was a guest star. She was a regular. And when the pilot went they actually didn't have enough money for all the regulars, and they took her out of it and put me as a regular. They really screwed up. But that she probably has no recollection of this, but it was called The Help, and she was like, seriously seventeen years old. But um, I

never met her with Brian. So that's the Megan Fox story. Um, it's gonna be interesting to see where this goes from here. Though. Yeah, I'm I'm I don't feel like they're over. Do you feel like they're over something? Something tells me it just it doesn't feel over. And that's why I was reluctant, even from the top of this headline to say they're broken up, because that move in what she's saying, it doesn't feel completely over. I agree. I have one more

thing to say about it. What what about the therapy session that paparazzi got the dark, grainy pictures of them coming out of a therapy session together I did. That's a hot take. I didn't even see this. You really did do a deep dive now, I just happened. I just happened to look her up once in a blue men wait before this story came up. But yeah, no, they were. They were leaving. I mean they could have been leaving anywhere. They could have been leaving like chilies

or something. Having a bite to eat and giving his stuff back. I don't know, but they said it was a marriage counseling sugist doesn't feel Yeah, it doesn't feel complete yet. It doesn't feel like we can put a pin in this yet. I think we will have to revisit the Megan Fox machine Gun Kelly story. Yeah, it doesn't feel complete yet. You know what else doesn't really feel complete yet? Chris Harrison the next headline that we're going to talk about it, hopefully you'll talk about it

with me. Um. So there's a big headline out there, exit remorse, ABC considering bringing back house did host Chris Harrison to boost ratings. That's a big one out there. I know, can you believe that I didn't see that headline? When did that come out? Yeah? In all seriousness. Yes, those headlines hit this week a lot, a lot, and you know, it's funny speaking of a lot. There are certain stories that hit and they are more impactful, and I can tell because of who reaches out to me

in my life about this. So most stories that are written, you know, if my name is in the headline, you get nothing, nobody. This one was interesting because I was driving to get dinner the other night. My dad calls, not strange, but I pick up the phone. He's like, Hey, are you going back to that show you were working for? And by the way he says that show, it didn't mean that to be derogatory. Honestly, my dad probably does not know the name of the show I was hosting

for twenty years. Uh, And I love him for that. And I'm not even joking, but exactly that show. So Dad calls me. Then two of my best friends I mean talking about friends I talked to on the daily called and said, hey, are you are you going back? What in the world is happening? So do you Tory? Do you get that too? Of there are certain stories that are so impactful, and you know because of who reaches out to you personally all the time. I mean

they have written about my marriage. Well, we've been married seventeen year, seventeen years, on again, off again, and I know it's yeah. My brother reached out to me and he's like, I know they always write stuff, but is it true that you guys are Kenny in divorce? And I was like, what about this one made it more impactful that you thought maybe when this time it's true? So yes, I know what you mean. It is interesting

though sometimes it does, it just strikes a chord. And so this one obviously was very personal for a lot of people who went through what I went through, and they went through it with me. These are the people that were in the right. They were in the foxhole with me each and every day, and so these are people that are are really shocked to see this headline. Well, apparently ABC is considering bringing you back because they're having dismal Bachelor ratings. Well, look here's the story as well.

By the way, the real story that broke was internal conversations are being had by ABC executives about bringing me back. Do I think these conversations have happened? Probably, And and here's why, I think it would almost be crazy not to if you're running a business, any business at all, and that business sales are down fifty to and falling, and everybody can see the numbers. We know what's happening, and you think there's something that could change that and

fix that. Of course you're going to have that conversation. You would be crazy not to have that conversation. And with the advent of this podcast, the most dramatic podcast ever, They've seen the numbers, they've seen the response in my social media. They're not deaf to all that they've seen what's happening. So am I shocked that these conversations are happening. No, it's not. It would not be a surprise. In fact,

I would be shocked if they weren't happening. Right And when they say internal conversations, is that the version of like a source says for like a celebrity, right, Well, they said a source within ABC said these con stations are taking place. That was the actual story. And then from there it's spread to you know, is Chris Harrison

coming back? And actually Chris Harrison is coming back and they're talking to him, and so it obviously go you know how it goes from there, clickbait, click bait, but the two original stories had the source inside the network saying these conversations were happening. Well, I wondered, do you believe that ABC could have leaked the story? I mean I keep going like, who put the story out there to get legs? I mean, we know it's not Jesse Palmer, So right, um, you know, I I don't. I don't know. Uh,

you know, you would have to ask them. But would it be the craziest thing? Chris Harrison, hang on, you call an ABC? Yeah, I have a direct number? And do you go? Do you do? You go straight to the top, you go to Mickey Mouse? Who do you go to? Well? For years, I mean my dad had all of his shows there and it used to be called off the record Aaron Broadcast Company. So I'm pretty high. I bet you do. Um, but sorry, what were you saying? Oh?

I just you know, would it be crazy to send out that test balloon and to see how people respond? Of course? Yeah, So it's it's not the most outlandish, crazy story. Although it did make waves and it got a lot. And again whether that was the intention of all this, you know, who knows, but that it definitely made the press. Well, I mean, that's not the real question. The real question is would you consider going back? That's the multimillion dollar question on the table, the multi zillion

dollar questions. Look here, here's the thing. And I'm not being dodgy when I talk about this because I've talked about it previously as well. It's complicated. First of all, I live by the actiom never say never, because I I just think in life and in business that comes back to bite you in the butt. So I'll never say never. But with that said, it is complicated. Would I have that conversation? Yes. I also believe in relationships and in business, take a phone call and you listen

and you have that conversation. Whether it's uncomfortable or not. I think you've got to have that personal phone call. So yes, I would have that conversation. I would listen. I would listen to anybody who calls me and go through it. But and I hate to leave it at that, but it is very complicated and it would be very complicated. Wow, you just left me wanting more, because when people say it's complicated, they mean it's complicated. I mean, do you

miss doing the Bachelor? You have so much else going on? You know, and I want to eventually get to you on this because you have great perspective being a part of a franchise that was so historic at nine oh for a decade of your life and being known as something and so you know, multiply that by two. So for twenty years I was the host of this franchise and it was a historic franchise as well. So I'm grateful to that. I will always be grateful for that in my life. It changed my life, It changed my

kids lives. I have a lot of friends that are still there working on the show I really care about, and so I loved my time, not all of it. It was still a job and there were things I didn't love, but that's the way it is at any job. But overall, it was amazing. It was an incredible experience. And I could go on and on about the travel and seeing the world and having never done that in my life and having that opportunity to taking my kids

around the world. So again, all these things that were so wonderful my life have to do with this show. And so many milestones happened during the show because it was you know, from the time I was thirty, you know, almost to when I was fifty years old. That's my professional life when I was doing this show. So it was really impactful and so yeah, I loved it. I loved parts of it. Did it change? Yes? And was it the same in the last several years. No, it

was not. And I was contemplating when it was going to be time. That was the first time I started having those conversations. And Lauren and I have have had those conversations, and she, now that she's got to know me, has even said, wow, I've I've I see now that you you were really torn by this, and so that's why I say it would be incredibly complicated. Okay, so what I'm hearing here is ABC, if you're listening, and you're obviously totally listening, he will take the call. We

have a lot to talk about. We'll see where this goes. What about you? And I mean, because I don't mind being synonymous with the Bachelor Bachlrette, I don't mind even when I go out today and you know, I was up in at TCU seeing my kids and people come up to me and talk about the show, and I don't mind that. Do you mind being known or called Donna Martin and being known as Beverly Hills nine two one. Oh, absolutely not. I actually get mad when I hear people

say like, oh, I'd rather stay away from that. I don't want to talk about that show anymore. It's the show that, you know, whether it's a TV show, movie, anything that made you like, how could you not? So I'm grateful and I always say I'm fifty Tory Donna, like you know, we're we're technically the same person. So um, I'll always be grateful. And when people say Donna, I turn around just as fast as I do when they say Tori. Well, I think it's interesting that there are

those and you know these people. Uh, there's even people from my show that have gone on, and there's actors and actresses. When they you'll bring something up or something's mentioned in an interview and like, I don't want to talk about that. Yeah, I don't want to talk about being on the batchelor, right right, Yeah, that's not me anymore. It's like, well, I understand, but it's the only reason I'm talking to you. So it's okay to give into that. But it doesn't have to define you the rest of

your life. You can go on and define yourself however you want. But I find it interesting those people and I'm during I guess my question to you is, who are those people? What is it about certain people that just they got to leave that certain part of their past behind, whether it was a part they played or a show they were on, But they can't. That's the thing. They're trying to run away from, something that they'll never

run away from. So we should just take it head on, answer the question, then move on to what you really want to talk about. But dismissing in and saying that, oh, you know, I don't know, because it's always if people love you for a certain thing, they're always going to love you for a certain thing. You're right, and we loved you for Donna Martin and in that whole part of it was so that show was so transformational for

so many people. And I know you've heard all these stories obviously, but a show that's that impactful and was a part of so many people's lives, how do you deny that? You can't? I mean, I'm so grateful, Like both of us were National treasures. National treasures, Chris Harrison, you and I both so wait wait, So at night I was doing the math. You were seventeen seventy when you jumped on sixteen when I did the pilot, so

six games ten years. So from sixteen to when you're seven years old, very very tough age to be a teenager. And my daughter is about that age. She's I mean just she's nineteen now, but I just went through those years with her. Those are tough years. When life is perfect, when life is great. I can't imagine so many insecurities, so many chemicals running through your body at the time, and then you put on that platform that had to be so bizarrely difficult for you. It's funny you said

life is perfect, life is great during those years. I have teenagers now, and all I keep thinking is, oh my god, they think they have it bad. Now. Imagine having to go through what you're going through on national TV and like people watching you being under a microscope. So you know, my teens will be like, oh, I don't feel good, I don't look good, my face is breaking out, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know that well, but imagine I had to still do it on t

BE every single week. It was hard. Yeah. There wasn't the Internet then, which my kids like to remind me, you know, and they asked if there were cars back then. But there was like chatboards you could go to and they would write the most horrific things. I mean, things that now, atte years old, I still remember and let kind of let define my life. I hated my eyes for years, just until recently, because people used to be like, oh, bug eyes, frog eyes, and I'd be like, oh my god,

my big eyes suck. Now I realized they're one of my best assets. At seventeen years old. Eighteen years old so difficult. And I at the beginning of this, you know, when I was talking about you coming on the show. What I find interesting is I don't love talking to people where everything is perfect in life and you know, they're just you know, living life one positive quote after the other. I like people who I mean, you, honestly,

percentage wise shouldn't even be sitting here. Child star. Father was unbelievably famous, as you said, I mean, running every network and getting everything. You know, if he pitched something at lunch, it was on that afternoon. So growing up in Hollywood, growing up under the shadow of that, and then being famous yourself and then going the reality route, it's amazing you're sitting here. Yeah, I was always a

good girl. I was a good kid, and I you know what, I was always work focused and I think I learned that from my dad. I mean, my dad was a workaholic, but on the weekends, always many time for us. And I grew up with that like sense of drive. I'm super driven, like I want something to happen. I'm gonna keep going until it happens. And I've always

been like that. So I didn't have time to get lost in the Hollywood shuffle of like, you know, I went out and stuff, but going down the rabbit hole of drugs and stuff, you know, I was focused on doing my job and what was the next big thing. Yeah, but you say that so almost flippantly, I know it doesn't happen. No, you had to make those decisions. I mean you look at the percentage of child stars, especially that come from a very famous parent like that. It's

not a it's not an easy task. I mean, kudos to your parents, who I don't know either. Um, I didn't know, but that is amazing though that you you were centered with that drive and never never took a right when you easily could have. You stayed on this path, you easily could have taken that. Well. I didn't say I was a good driver, but yes, well you were kind of known. And this, this actually brings me to a headline that maybe I buried here because you were

known Donna Martin as America's virgin. Yes, obviously something else that was difficult to carry with you through your teenage years and then into your twenties. But did I read this story right? You have spent money, You've been paying money to see Denise Richards naked on Only Fans? Is this true? Guilty? For real? Yes, this is for real. So Denise and I have been friends since well she

was on nine two one we met. That's when we met, like when she was like fifteen, So we've known each they're all these years, stayed friends, were good friends, and yeah, when I heard she was on Only Fans, I was like, interesting, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, hmm, can I can an actress like really transition and do this and still have her career and still be okay with being a mom and people not giving her, you know, a hard time. So I did click on there at Christmas dinner,

which is what everyone does at the Christmas dinner table. Yeah, we're deciding do we want to play card games or look at Denise Richard's naked and the way well done? You know what. I'm a smart cookie, Harrison, so I yeah, so I want to look on it to just be like, oh, let's see what this is. But they get you. They're super smart. On only Fans. They cover things up. You know. There was like a peach covering something and it was like I was like, oh, well, I can't see anything.

Oh but if you subscribe you can see more. So and then it says if you d M the person um and tip them, they're more likely to send you a picture faster because they send a picture to your d M. For all those who have never been on Only Fans, I'll admit, and I'm not just lying for public consumption here. I've never been on only Fans, So I actually had no hits complicated. I had no idea. I actually don't know. I mean, I know you have to pay and they need a subscription, but so you

don't you did you then subscribe? And did you d M Denise? I did? And I did it under my alias, which is like my hotel alias. I've checked in for years since nine o two one. Oh. So I was like, she probably knows that name. Probably told her, well, I'm I'm dying to ask you what that alias is. I can't tell you. Well, it's it's it's a pairing of my first dog and in the nineties my favorite star. Interesting. Um but I yeah, and so I was like, HI, would love to see how are you? Would love to

see more? I like what I see, would love to see more. And I think tipping did get me a d M faster because I got a picture and then I was like, oh, that looks good. Okay, well but now I want to see more. So it really gets you going in that rabbit hole. And then the next day I saw that you could get a v I P subscription and it was like, normally I'm not going to see the number, right, but it was like a hundred and fifty dollars but today only it's so of course I had to do the v I It's just

like going to Costco. You never know what consumers. And I was like, look at the deal I'm getting here. I'm getting a good deal. So I got it anyway, Yeah, four hundred dollars later, Um, I saw a lot more of my friend than I've ever seen. So so I don't know how far is Denise taken. This is it topless? Is it full nude? What you doing? Okay? Do you see feet? Feet is a big one. As I was doing this, the foot culture out there is really bizarre.

Oh my gosh. As I was doing this and my friends are like, you would do really well and only fans, I was like, I don't know. And then my son, who is ten and is always on his video games and never looks up, he goes, Mom, actually put your feet on feet Finder. You'll do much better. And I go, what Finn? He goes, feet Finder, You'll make a lot of money. Have you ever done a deep drive on feet Finder? My ten year old should not be on that.

But yeah, Lauren went on at one time because she's very she's very highly rated because she was on Entertainment Tonight for so many years and obviously I guess show her feet from time to time and so you're talking wicky feet? Oh is that what that is? Okay? So yeah, she was on so wherever they rate your feet, she was. She was very highly rated. And I said, babe, do do start with some foot stuff. Let's go. Um, so am I to understand? First of all, you saw your

friend naked, and have you talked to Denise about this? So? Oh so she just shows boobs and butt no bottom half front and so just to clear up, have you talked to her? Did she does? She finally know that it was tory spelling, so I felt really weird. So I texted her that night and I said, hey, Mama, I just want to talk to you about something. It was Christmas, though, so she didn't text me back. And then next week I went on Jeff Louis Live and I told the story and then Dense texted me and

she was like, I'm dying. That is the funniest thing. And I said, all fairness, I tried to text you first. You didn't respond because I'm so sorry. We were stick over Christmas. So yeah, she knows. Maybe the biggest question, are you seriously contemplating doing only fans? It's complicated. No, you can't repeat my answer, Oh I can't. Okay, Uh I would. I would take the call because I know I always believe in taking the call and just listening. Okay,

I'm just kidding. So you're saying there's a chance. So you're saying there's a chance. Um, you know what, help me through this one, Chris Harrison? What would be the pros and cons for me as an outside perspective of someone in this business? You have five six children? Right? Yes? Five at home? Still are all six? Um, my stepson is here, actually my stepdaughters here. I have seven kids in the house right now. So five from my belly, yes, good, and they range from the ones from my belly are

from ages fifteen to five. Okay, so that's a lot. By the way, God bless you. So now you know why I'm thinking about only I mean clearly, I know that a lot of people are doing it and making absolute bank on this and crushing it. Yes, in your mind, what would you be willing to do like scantily clad, like dressed lingerie? We're talking just feet. Maybe you just dabble and start with the foot stuff. But how like in your in all seriousness, how far do you think

you would be willing to go? Well, I did do a deeper dive, and I see like my friend comedian Atney Cummings is on Only Fans and she does it and her in there was you know, I'm going to tell you if you dm me jokes like dirtier jokes that you wouldn't normally get. So I was like, maybe there's a creative way. I like comedy. I do a lot of funny skits. Maybe there's something I could do and be scantily clad in those skits. I don't know, because what here's the thing with me, No matter what

I do, people have something to say about it. Of course, I guess I'm polarizing. I don't know. Well, I don't think you're polarizing. I think you're just you've had this part of our heart and soul and that's what That's what I guess hits me is what would people pay to see Donna Martin from nine one oh naked? Or of course they're going to that would be a draw. I mean, see, it has to be that it has

to be some sort of America's favorite virgin. It would have to be some sort of Donna Martin nod which is that just crossing the line altogether naked at the

peach pit like we're going with this? I just I know, I find it fascinating and I wonder how many of these conversations have taken place in households across America when you know, people are seeing how much money is being made, and I'm sure some of it's being over, you know, exaggerated millions and millions and I made a million dollars this month or whatever, but there's still a lot of money being made. And I'm sure Denise, if you've talked

to her, has she said what the downside is? Has she felt any negativity towards this other than having to deal with the fact that she is a mom as well? She has said she thought she would have a backlash because she's a mom and an actress, and she says, no, it's quite the opposite. So but yeah, it would be a hard one because I know the fans are super invested in me as Donna Martin, America's virgin um. And if I was going to do something like this, it

should have been years ago. I mean the Donna Martin like vibrator or something something we could have done somewhere. Yeah. My sman always said I missed the boat and I should have made the Donna Martin pocket, So, um, wait, can I say that on your show? Absolutely, the Donna Martin, the Donna Martin Pocket. Thank you it's not not easy to say, um, rolls just right off your tongue. I just had a question, and for some reason, the pocket definitely threw me. How would you justify this and how

would you have this conversation with your kids? Oh? Good thing, good good one, good one, good one. Um. I think as long as here's something, I think only fans gets a bad name. So before only fans was, you know, born and nude. It was actually I remember them approaching me and it was going to be like a cameo type situation where you could go and do videos and talk to your fans and they could tip you all that, and then all of a sudden it took a different direction.

And now I think they're really trying to bring it back. The people they have chefs on making meals. I don't know if they're doing it naked, but it's just I don't know. So I feel like if there's another way in I'm not saying I wouldn't show revealing stuff. I do that anyway on my own Instagram. So like, I think my kids would be supportive. Dean would have no problem with this. He totally supports it. He's like, go make that money, baby, please. He came up with the

idea of the Donna Martin pocket. He doesn't want me to be on only fans. He's like, go for it. I don't know, that's interesting. I just put myself in this position of if what I would feel about Lauren, and look, if she wants to do something like that, I support her. She's her own woman, and that's what I love about it. You don't. You can't love a woman for being strong and independent and then when they

do something strong and independent you have a problem with it. Um, So whatever you want to do, but it would be hard for me, it would be hard for me to share her like that got you. Yeah, that's personal to me. Well, we'll see, we'll see what happens with if I take that call again. Maybe start with you know, do you have pretty feet? Maybe just start with the feet. I have great feet. Okay, maybe we just start with the feet and then we work our way up and you

have like really nice knee caps. I don't know if kneecaps are a fetish, but then we just kind of, you know, get to an elbow. Just make it just start simple. On only fans, you mean only fans. Here's the thing, I think if you're gonna like, you gotta come out of the gate big, go bigger, go home. And I'm not saying like show it all. You gotta either going to do it or you're not. Yeah, I can't like dip your toe in the water. I can't wait to see where this story goes. I know me too.

I'm getting excited about it just talking to you. When you make your decisions, when you make your decision, will you come back here and let me know? Um? Yes? And will when you make your decision, will can I come back here and will you let me know? Yes? I guarantee there we will have this conversation. Great mutual agreement. Mutual agreement. Yeah, ABC only fans you know where to reach us. You know, the press for this would be bonkers. People would go crazy. And this I do. It's something

that you know. Again, I just met you today, but I feel like again and people say this to me, I feel like I know you because I have seen story after story after story. I feel like I went through the life and times with your family and then afterwards in the your marriage and the problems in your marriage. Like I feel like the press has been on you every day and so it has been relentless in your life. How have you managed that? It's not easy, it's hard, it's you know. I try to give my kids as

normal a life as possible. Um, but you know, they're aware. They're aware when there's paparazzi following us, they're aware, you know, and fans are coming up that you know. And I know for some of them it's easier and for some they're like, you know, we just want you, we want it to be private. Um. For me, I've kind of gone through life with like blinders on. I think because I had to. It was like a a protective mechanism

that I didn't even know I did. I remember at the height of nine, like my friends not in nine two, and we would be out and there'd be like, oh my god, everyone's staring at you. Everyone's looking and I'd be like, I didn't even notice it, because I think it was my own like functioning way of like to go through life, because I never wanted to be that person to be like I can't go out, I can't do that, and I don't want my kids to live

that life. So and my dad back in the day, I remember the first time I was in a tabloid and it was horrific, talking about like plastic surgery. And I was seventeen. I'd had I had my nose done, but that was it. And they were writing, I had ribs removed and like my cheekbones, all this horrible stuff and again you're seventeen, eighteen years old. Yeah, and like broke my heart. And my dad said, Babe, was that He talked like this, Babe, be happy they're talking about you.

Be worried when they're not talking about you anymore? Interesting? How old were you when your dad passed? I was thirty three two, And you guys had it. It It sounds like you'll had an amazing relationship. We did, and the daddy's girl. And how about your mom? So that's that's

another one. Like a story that was very public, was your relationship with your mom, especially after your dad passed, and all the money and the finances and all that, like for all that to go public, how and the press was just relentless, relentless to the point where I mean today we're very close. And it took a long time, and well we kind of get into it sometimes about the press and the effect it had on it and then we kind of say, let's put in the past.

But you know, to a certain extent, I think that fed into our relationship and the demise of our relationship, um, because you know, you can't help but reading stuff over and over every week and think, wow, does my own parents hate me? And she's like, does my own daughter hate me? And it was Yeah, it was brutal. And that's happened to me with several people in my life relationship wise, that the press just you know, blows it out of purport. Shouldn't you believe it? And that's the

thing I know. People are like, it's it's hard to fathom how constant press like that can actually affect a relationship because what you're thinking is we'll just we'll just call them or just talk to him, like it's your mom or it's your friend. Right, But do you hear so much all the time? It does drive a wedge. It actually can get to you. You start reading quotes and you're like, well they did say that, and the way they write these things and the way people talk

it's creative and it's good. Is there is there a person in particular that you felt it? It drove a wedge in between you. That didn't really exist a thousand percent um with Shannon Doherty like on nine O two and oh, she and I were best friends, like I'm best friends with Jenny Garth. I would say Shannon and I were equally just as close back then. She was actually my first friend when I joined Nino. We did

everything together. My dad used to say, like, I love seeing you and Shannon come down your PJ sleeping over at the manor, Like we were so close. Um, and she really took me under her wing, and that invit ARONMNT. And you know, she ended up getting married, she left the show. Um, and our lives just kind of moved on. But nothing happened between us. We never had a falling out.

We never even had a fight. And the press suddenly made us you know, she was my nemesis, like she was the one like I hated her, and we had this huge public fight that I read about for years to the point where I was terrified. I was like,

Shannon hates me, Oh my gosh. And then I was at a Playboy mansion party, says everyone, but you know back in the early two thousands, Yes, um, and I was there and I said, oh, Shannon's here, and I literally I was like, oh my god, my heart fell into my feet and I was like, I gotta get out of here. And they're like, why Shannon, like from your show, and I was like, she hates me. I

can't I can't see her. So it was a mutual friend and they're like no, no, no no. So they went over and they came back and they said, Shannon knows you're here, and she actually wants to see you. She wants to talk to you. So I was so scared. So I went over and we both ended up saying that we had thought the press had pitted us together. We thought the other one hated each other, and it never existed. To this day, people always still put like, oh, yeah,

they had this horrible relationship. They hated each other. It was never her and eye other people but not me, Like what a shame though, think about that, like you all but lost a great friend just because of that. I lost years with one of my best friends because of that. And we hugged it out and made up and and we're friends now. But it, yeah, it took years. That would have been a great storyline on nine two one. Oh. So the other thing that Uh, you kind of just

slipped in there. I love that you just your dad said, I love having you guys at the manor. Yeah, I had sleepovers at a house um, not a manner um. I need to look up. My mom had stationary and she had penns that said stolen from the manner um. But that is that is amazing. And it happened on our show from time to time that the press and the most difficult part of the relationship post back, and

that's red is the show stops filming. You're together, and then the show hasn't quite aired yet, so it's all a secret, and you're not living together because you can't for the secrecy, and you're trying to keep everything out of the press, and so these stories start going that so and so is out and about and he's already seeing somebody else or he's calling it, and so we are.

We always had to patch things up and deal with the tabloid rumors, and sometimes couples would break up before they ever had a chance to succeed just because of all the press, and it's it was such a bummer and it's something we had to constantly fight. But that it's a real thing. And I know that sounds crazy

to be like, what are you talking about? Just pick up the phone and say that's not real, but it it just happens, and it's relentless, and there's so much of it that you finally start to believe some of the press absolutely. And that's interesting to hear that because for us, it's like they wrote stories about us our whole career, so we're semi used to it, so it is surprising to think that we're buying into the press

as well. But for couples on The Bachelor, they're real people who have never dealt with faith before, and now suddenly they're writing that I would believe. At first, I would be like, oh, he totally, that's happened immediately, So that's crazy. The more we've been talking today, the more I realize our lives are so drastically different. I am an empty nester. I just got back from seeing my kids up at college this weekend at TCU UM And

you have seven under one roof, yeah, seven under one roof? Yeah? Oh my gosh. What is life like on the daily? Is it just crazy? Like? How are you? You had an hour to spend with me? Well, we'll see if something is on fire when I go downstairs after this, let's pray not Um. It's never predictable. It's fun, it's chaotic. Um, it's crazy. It's literally insane. I always say I wish people could really know, because I'll tell friends I can't

do this or work like I have to. You know, I can't do this, I have this and that, and they're like, oh, well, we're busy too, and it's like, okay, yeah, you're right. But if they really came and spent a day in my house, people would be like, oh whoa. I remember thinking I was busy when I had no kids, and then life got crazy because I had one kid. And I always tell people every time you have another, I have to It's not it multiplies by like three,

it's not. The math doesn't work out when you have kids. At what point for you, though, does it stop getting exponentially crazy or is it at three? Is it at five? At some point it's got it can't just you know, like just one start taking here of the other one just gets lost. It's it's what point that was really growing up? At the manner, I'm the one that got lost in the manner still couldn't find my way out of that place. It was so big. But uh, now it's like a ten point five on the RCT scale.

Every single day. I would say, my oldest daughter, who is fourteen, does take care of the others. She'll definitely take care of the five year old. They all kind of parent the five year old. He's gonna grow up real screwed up because he's not sure who his parent is, like he has everyone parenting him. Um, but I don't

know if it gets easier, I don't know. And then what is it like as an empty nester, Like it must be so quiet, it's very The quiet was the toughest thing for me to get used to post even post divorce, when you've been around your kid seven and I was very active and involved and coached and did all the things that mommy and me and everything. So going from that to the when you have your week off or whatever it is with your arrangement not having your kids, that quiet is a difficult thing to get

used to. And when my son left for college, I still had my daughter and we have a great relationship, and I was like glooming onto her. I mean it was probably annoying, but now that she's gone to college. It is really wild to just have days weeks where you don't see them. You know, we talk or text, but it's really bizarre that that quiet and calm in your life. It's a good feeling because you've accomplished something, because you have wonderful children that are great human beings

and they're crushing it in life. So there is the pride factor. But then there's the sadness of yesterday. He was banging pots and pans on the on the floor of the you know, kitchen, and I don't remember when he didn't walk. I don't remember when he you know, you start forgetting things, and it was those things I love that the coaching Little League and soccer and all

those going to the recitals and all the performances. Those are the things that I relished and love so much, and that I unders saying why people have more and have more because it's like you want to you want to keep that feeling. You're making my ovaries ache real bad right now. That window closes quick, and it's it's weird. It's not college. It's when they start driving that really

hit me. It was that hitting sixteen and you have gotten up every day, made them launch take him to school as soon as schools out of thirty, you're an uber driver for you for you know, for the next six hours, you're an uber driver and you're a short order cook. And when that's over, when your kids are like, oh no, I have practiced after then I'm doing this and I'm doing this, I'm like, wait, so I'm not

going to see you for the next twelve hours. That that's when it really starts to hit you and you realize that window is closing quickly. I my fifth year old is now way taller than me. He's and his voice is getting deep, and I forget all the time, and I think, oh my god, there's someone in the house. And I freak out because I see like a figure walked by in the kitchen. I'm coming out of my hallway and and then I hear of voice and I'm like, oh my god, Mike Stella called nine on one. I'm like,

oh no, it's it's my kid. It's my kid. And the hot water bill goes up. The showers get longer, and uh, he's about the showers for long. He's about to go into the guttural noise phase of being a boy where they stopped talking and they just they answer with sounds like they all do that, all do that, and and hey huh. And so I thought it was just TikTok though that no, no, you're you're gonna get that for about five years and all of a sudden they just snap out of it and you're like, oh,

hey man, so good to see you again. Welcome back to earth. Yea, my son now, well, he's all into conversations. He's a great it's wonderful. And I'm like, I missed you. Welcome, welcome home. You know what you need now, don't say it. You need another one? You need a new baby, I was going to say, a grandchild. I can't wait for it to be. I love babies, I do. I loved being I knew I wanted to be a dad. I knew I wanted that life. I couldn't wait for it

um and I loved every moment of it. But I do think that God gives you this finite amount of time when you have the patience to handle this. And I know, I only know how to do things all in I'm either doing it or I'm not in anything in life, and parenting is the same way, and the thought of going back to that stage of the diapers, the you know, getting into the right school and going

to all the recitals and all that. Yeah, I think I'm excited too for the next stage of just spoiling nieces and nephews and eventually no rush kids grandchildren rush and then they go home. Yeah, I could already tell, like my patients, with my five year old as a mom is real different than it was with my fifteen

year old when he was that age. Well, and after doing it for the fifth time, I'm sure, but there are there are some things I don't know if you've noticed, though, you probably have much better perspective with your five year old. You know what to be worried about, you know what to care about, compared to when the first one comes and everything is a big deal. Yes, I was a helicopter mom everything. I was paranoid about everything. Now I'm like,

you're fine, You're fine, he's ten. Should he already be playing golf? Should you have a swing coach? Should he be doing this? And it is you know, our mascore is like, he's fine. You know this, And by the way, the five year old is going to be probably the most talented and the most incredible at whatever he does because he dolay golf. Actually, there you go, because he's gonna grow up just following his passions and doing what he actually really loves. Do you have animals? We don't.

I did, we had, we had dogs, but we we don't have any here in Austin. So I feel like I supplement more babies with animals. But we're gone. We're gone so much and we love that. And that's one thing that Lord and I have loved is this chapter of our lives of being able to pick up and just go. And I wasn't able to do that when I was working on the Bachelor, And that's been one of the blessings is we can just go. We can go see the kids. We and go on the you know,

she goes on these girl trips. I go on my boys trips. And we love that. We love having our independent lives, which are very important. Can you indeed, because I Lord and I say you have to have a separate life. There are things you get from your girls, your your girlfriends that we can't feed that part of your soul and you need and you need to miss each other from time to time with that many kids, with the life you have, can you indeed do that? Um? He does a little bit. He plays hockey and golf,

so he has his outlets. I don't. That's important and it's not good. No, you need that. It's really work and take care of kids. And it's yeah. I go through phases where I'm like, Okay, I'm going to spend time with my girlfriends and the public probably knows when I'm having my like okay moments where because they'll see me out like at restaurants and getting my photos taken, and then they'll be like two years, we don't see

me like publicly at all unless I'm working. Um, And that's where I'm just like back in the whole of like kids, kids, kids, I'm like in that right now. I need to get out of it. I need to like have more meat time. It's hard, and I get it, you know, preaching to the choir here of it's so easy to lose yourself when you have children, and I think especially for women, for the moms, it's easy to lose your You have to work hard to to not

and you have so many site hustles. I know you and Jenny are doing the n podcast, which is crushing it. Yes on OMG, and you and your bff are also you have a decor line. Yes, Home to core Line just launched on QVC, so we're super excited about that. We design every single aspect of it. Um, we're really proud of it and working on it for three years and finally launched and then um we have a great

Home to Core line. And then in July we're coming out with Christmas in July, so a whole Christmas PFF line for the holidays of tree and then we're possibly launching only fans. So you have a lot on your plan. I do, wow, And that just makes you know what they say when you want something, to give it to a busy person, it's keep stacking those plates up. I I like to balance, just bring it well. It makes me even more grateful and appreciative that you took time

out to come on my show. I appreciate it. I've I've always loved and admired you from AFAR, and now that I've gotten to spend some time with you even more so. You are an absolute rock star. I feel the same way because I'm a fan too, and I've watched you for years and it's really nice to get to know you. I appreciate your full package. Chris Harrison, thank you, Tori Spelling. Next time we do this at

the manor. Oh well, now she has the manner in the sky, but we should do this at the manner, and we should do it for the launch of the Mother Daughter only fans with me and Candy Spelling in her gift wrapping room. Just say it could be a thing. Heaven heavenly that would work. Uh, it would work so well. And by the way, I love you so much. Now that Lauren and I will become your first subscribers, I'll hold you to that. Tori, thank you so much. I

appreciate the time you take care. Thank you, Chris My. Thanks to Tori Spelling. Fascinating life, incredible insight. I love how honest, open, raw she is. She does not mind putting it out there. And I think maybe my biggest takeaway is just how despite growing up in the world she grew up in, she was able to stay focused, concentrated on her job, keep those blinders on, as she said, and she has done that and been incredibly successful and

is now an amazing mom. And I wish her all the best, and I look forward to our paths crossing very soon. So my thanks to Tori and my thanks to you for listening. I hope you have a wonderful week, and I can't wait to talk to you next time. Because who knows what headlines are gonna pop up this week. I think we're gonna have a lot to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a

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