Welcome to the mind school, the classroom for your mind and soul where we design our lives from the inside out. He will find a human first approach to life, business and relationships to create freedom, growth and constant evolution through mindset, emotional intelligence, leadership and connection to self. I'm your host, Breanna Mae, educator, CEO, mindset and business
mentor. And my mission is to teach the things we were never taught at school, so that no dream is left on the pillow and no purpose left unfulfilled. Here, you can expect a lot of laughs and thought provoking conversation as we squeezed every drop of juice from this beautiful, precious, crazy thing called life. Hello, welcome to the mind school podcast, it's going to take me a while to get used to saying that I have just finished this is I'm going to
set the scene. I have just finished recording the first episode of recess at Mandy's house and had so much fun. And then we've just been sitting here, I've been updating man's on what has been going on behind the scenes with my own staff things I've been working on with my mentors, my business mentors, and we were having a bit of a conversation and it actually turned into a really, really
cool conversation. And I wanted to just actually hit record and talk about some of the things that we are talking about behind the scenes. But before I dive into today's episode, just a quick reminder that we have still got one more week to one more week or two more weeks. One or two more weeks, by the time this episode is released to one week, one week. Yeah, hi, man. She's still here. She's just
correcting me. I was just thinking about the dates that this is gonna get released in just overweight, just overweight. Thanks. To clarify, clarify, I'm lucky I'm meant to have Mandy's with me guys, because I'll give you all the wrong shit the wrong links. No, I'm really not that bad. No. But
well, yeah. So we've got about a week to enter into the competition, which is, like I said, the biggest giveaway I've ever given and you will be able to join any of the programmes you want to join whichever value if you've already done level up, you can choose another one. If you have never done level up, you can choose to join the next round of level up which is very
exciting. You've just got to leave a review on Spotify or Apple podcasts and send it through to us so put it in your stories tag us or just DM it to us. And we're going to draw that on the ninth I believe of June. So that's all on the back end. I want to quickly so man diesel is obviously here because I'm in her house. I'm like, Hey, your house has become my recording studio. Now. I live here now. I live here now I'm not leaving, man. So what's your win of the week?
Win of the week? So this is not work related this one but this week, I had a really really special opportunity to go and celebrate the grand opening of something that was really special to my family. Yeah, it is the Bruce prance dryland draining training centre or my goal my Nana actually listened to the she'd be like fucksakes draining the Bruce prance dryland Training Centre, a mouthful. And what that is, is facility at challenge Stadium in
WA. Where the divers the springboard divers can go and train without being in the pool. So they're basically jump off diving boards into foam pets or trampolines into foam heads. And the reason it's named after my pup is because he was a two time Olympic diving coach and just dedicated 70 or so years of his life to Australian diving like it was his everything truly
Yeah. And it was so happy and sad because it was really something that he wanted for the longest time and he really pushed to try and get a facility like this built because up until this place was opened. He used to do this training at the back of challenge stadium or the back of BT Park on an on an old trampoline. Wow. Using harnesses that he'd rigged up. And he really was a pioneer in this Yeah, you know, this whole thing
for diving. And the idea was kind of floated while he was still alive but because I did swimming analogies diving, falling upon. It was floated well He was alive. But unfortunately with COVID, the project got delayed. And you know, it was a government run project. So, and he passed away before he could say open. I know. And it was really sad that he wasn't there. But he probably
was there, to be honest. But yeah, my Nana was there and you know, all of our family and it was just yeah, it felt really special. And it's incredible. They've really done such a beautiful job. They've done it in such justice. Yeah. And so yeah, it just felt really nice. That's so yeah, it was really really special. It was what a shame we didn't get to keep like the name prance. I just didn't see it. I know surname. I know he prance about I know. So he was my he's he was
my dad. stepdad right. Gotcha. Yeah. My nana took his name. But obviously, Dad. Yeah, I just didn't know. Yeah. Loved with Turner. It's fine. It's also good. Also good. That's really special. What a legacy. I know. I know. And it was so emotional. Just seeing the his name on the sign like it's fully named. His Honour. And yeah, it was. It was really beautiful, really special. My Nana was so cute. She was so chuffed about as well. Yeah, it was lovely. Really nice. Yeah. What's your win?
Actually, it's just that I've been so I've told you about this. But I've started Pilates. And I'm actually obsessed, loving a former Pilates and you know, it's the biggest ego here. Because like I've been lifting and on and like, on and off. But I go to the gym. And I've been going to the gym for years. And I'm like, Yeah, I can like lift heavy law. You go into a Pilates studio. And bodyweight stuff is like I was shaking. shaking like a leaf. But it's actually just
been so nice. Because I noticed I was going to the gym. And unfortunately, I was just like, This is not like, my phones next to me if it's going off my brains, like, you know, in between sets you like what is that about? You check checking if you're just not really in it? Yeah, and that's my own thing. But I was just like, plus, it was just another thing to think about sometimes, like, is it leg
day? What sets Am I lalala? And I just wanted something where you could walk in someone tells you what to do you get a sick workout. You don't have your phone because you're on the reformer and you walk out and I am obsessed. Yeah, I want to try it on the back of what you've said, actually so many people, I feel like I don't know if there's a resurgence of it or what but lots of people are doing it and everyone I've spoken to raves about it. So I've started looking for a studio around here
too. But I completely resonate with what you're saying about sometimes you just need someone to tell you what to do. Yes. decision fatigue. Yeah, just no. Yeah, absolutely. Don't want to completely agree. That's amazing. Good for you, doll. So duality. Yeah, man, why don't you talk about it you ality is what the podcast episode is going to be on today. And I'm going to be honest, I looked at it in clickup and wondered what the fuck that meant. So tell me, it's been on
your mind. And can you please explain to me why. And to the listeners? That was my chair, guys. Sure. Duality what what's on your mind? So this is obviously something that resonates with a lot of people. Because I was saying to you just before I wrote a post a few weeks ago about the concept was duality. But I wasn't like, I didn't use those words. But I wrote a post about how when Paul and I first met, he was like, Man, I just, he was reflecting before we were getting married.
And he was we were just we spent a lot of time reflecting and talking about our relationship and laughing and stuff. And with our shower charts. It's always during shower charts. And he was like, I just couldn't figure you out when when we got together. And actually, that conversation came about because I was rebranding, we were going
through the rebrand. And I was having such a tough time telling graphic designers speaking to brand specialists and trying to articulate like, how do you articulate me into a colour or a look or a brand when I'm actually I do a lot of different things. And I have so many different textures, and sort of skill sets, which and even my personality, which honestly can be quite quite contradictory. So I was saying to Paul, like, how what would you say I was if I was a brand? What colours would
I be? What would I look like? What would I sound like? Like blah, blah, blah, we're trying to have this conversation in the shower. And he was like, Man, you are difficult that I couldn't figure you out when we met. And I was like, What do you mean? And he's like, Well, you're like, super hilarious.
And you came and you were cracking me up with these really inappropriate dirty jokes and you were like, but then you just drop in like a few weeks later yeah, got a law degree and like, he was like you're you're intelligent and then it was like, but you're also you're so caring but then sometimes you've really ruthless and like, you've just got all these textures that he said he was trying to figure
out which box I fit into. And you know, rock up sometimes wanting to go camping in my flannel and Ugg boots and then he'd say me doll up to go out with floppers imply, like, go out with the girls. And it was like, What the heck? Like, who are you? Like sometimes you look like Barbie, sometimes you look like you're about to slay the boardroom, like, what is going on? Who are you? And it was just that conversation, I wrote a
post about it. And so many people resonated when off it just I'm gonna sock like a frog in a sock. I love that one. When I have like a fart in a bottle, that's my pot would say, like it did. And I was like, so many people resonate with this. And it's just that whole, like, we say that it's a contradiction, like, there's so many pieces to us. And it's like, we've put ourselves into a lot of us. And I'm like, I used to do this too, which is why I was like, Oh, I'm such a contradiction. Like, I
used to have this story. And it would sound like, I don't know, I'm such a contradiction, like, I want this, but I want this, or I'm like this, but I'm also like this. And it used to make it all almost was like frustrating, because I was trying to fit myself into a box. But it was like, I don't fit into them. But
no one actually does. They're like these self limiting identities that we, they can be really dangerous like, and I've said for a long time, I really have a fundamental problem with too many boxes and limitations. Because it stops us from learning, it stops us from being open, it stops us from looking at how maybe we're actually not that thing, or we could be
something else. Or there's so many limitations that come with sticking to a box if we can't hold duality, which is just this idea that we're actually all of it, and both of it, and none of it and whatever the fuck we decide, like, you get to be both things. And it's not necessarily a contradiction. It's actually just, it just yeah, like we get
to be all of it. And that was coming up in so many ways with the rebrand and just, you know, conversations I was having behind the scenes with my mentors and like, there's so many parts to me that seem to be contradictory, but actually, they're just not and I gave myself permission a long time ago to break them all. And to not make sense. And Paul sort of reflected that. You know, when we met six years ago, he was like, you don't make any sense.
I was like, good I don't want to be because boxers used to just stunt me, we we tie ourselves to this label, I fit in this box, like I'm a gym person. I'm a I lift weights, even in the exercise like I in that you can probably resonate like you're a lifter or a cardio bunny and it's like, what are you are like I'm paleo or I'm vegan I'm and it's like these boxes and labels that can become so limiting if we're not conscious. Because we form these like, tribe
mentalities. And we don't give ourselves opportunities to see another way to listen to other perspectives to see if there's something different. And I just think I say so many times how it limits people. It was interesting, because I've had my own experience with this during the rebrand with something I'm not rather than something I am. Yeah, well, techie. Yes, it's that's that's not me. Whilst it has been tricky in some respects, obviously, it's done. I can do
it. And that's not something that I can tell myself anymore. Because yeah, I got it done. X. Absolutely. And like, I've even caught myself using this language with you. Like I've said it to like, wow, you're such a creative, like, you're so creative. And I've got to be conscious to have like, even that box, it's almost like, you're not at school, or like university or whatever. It's like arts versus science. Like it's this dichotomy. We create this false dichotomy of one or
the other. Yes. And I think for you, it's like, I'm the creative like, and you're good at it. I saw it in you a while ago, where I was like, Wow, you're so creative, and so organised and planned and such a like, organisational wizard, which, again, my own thing was like, Oh, she's bow Yeah, but it was like Well, of course she is and can be Yeah, but it was almost that moment of like, Ah, it's a reminder for you Yeah, don't box people you can box me bitch don't box
me bitch because you are. And if and that was a reflection, even that when I noticed that about you, and I was like, Oh, this is a mirror for how I have boxed myself because I resonate with or did for a very long time. I was the arts and the creative. So like all my degrees all of like school I was the I excelled in real artsy creative like, or like even in law, I did really well at the philosophy classes like legal philosophy, and I excelled in the arts, and the
creativity. So I was like, I'm not a science person, and I live I'm not maths and science, and I had to rework I had to rework that throughout business because it's like, well, I have to fucking be a maths person, because I have to look at my numbers. That's right. Like I even remember when you were going through that I think Laura Wasn't she was like, Bitch know your numbers know your numbers.
Yeah. And I suppose you've got that story of Well, no, that's not Not my no me someone I know that but no, that's not the case. No. And I just, I see it a lot like, even it's so interesting, like you look at it through this lens of we've been almost conditioned to box ourselves, it helps us to make sense of the world and where we belong. Yes, yes. Where We Belong and where we don't belong. Yeah. Which is key, right? Yeah. Like evolutionarily we need to belong? Oh, yeah, fact.
100%. And so we don't. And yeah, so even at school, it's like, they actually build the timetable that way, in some places where it's like, you know, the ATAR kids over there doing science and the other kids are doing history. So it's like, what if you wanted to do both? What if you were the person that the timelines wouldn't match? It's almost like it's physically impossible physically choose a side? Yep. Like, choose a side.
And it's just I noticed, like, I feel like I've done such a good job of really looking for that, or where am I limiting myself? And, and where is it still showing up? Because obviously, we still gotta have an identity, like, even, you know, I'm like, I'm a business mentor. I'm this I'm that I'm a mindset coach, and like, all these things, and where am I potentially limiting myself? And making myself fit a box that actually wouldn't help me expand and grow? And how can
we just be all of it? Okay, cool. So that kind of also leads us back to what we were talking about before we started recording with what's been coming up for you this week, with your coaches, both of your coaches, which, funnily enough, have both picked up something within you this week. Yeah. Which does sort of lead into the duality stuff as well. So do you want to tell us about that? Yeah, this is this is really
interesting. So both of my mentors, I've got two mentors, and they're absolutely incredible, both reflected back and just kind of pointed out that like, there was this piece coming up this thread that they'd notice where I wasn't really owning, or stepping up into my power, so to speak, like, I wasn't owning my own success. And even in the masterminds that I'm in, it's like, I would kind of just Oh, yeah, I did this or like, ah, like, we don't I don't even bring it up. I don't even bring
it in. I don't I just kind of keep going and it's this like modesty, humble thing. Slipping over these big things. Yeah, like, I just kind of skip over it. And, and one of my mentors was like, hey, hey, I'm gonna pull you on this, like what is with you not owning your power and stepping up because you are so successful. And so you've done so many incredible things. And you do this little like cutesy thing where you're not
really owning it. And I was like, ah, yeah, look, that I've had this before, like, in the past, and I've constantly worked on like, Okay, here's the fear, do it anyway, up level, and then keep doing the thing, but it's just presented itself again, and what was coming up for me to step into my power and go to the next level and own actually, I've done really fucking well in some things. And, you know, I even sometimes feel myself wanting to, like, downplay that, yeah, I've done alright, like,
blah, blah, blah. And it's like, for me to step up and to be inspirational and show others what's possible and bring people along for the ride, I have to actually claim what I've been able to create. And there was that piece of me that made me uncomfortable. And when I looked deeper, it was like, but how can I be because I was saying to one of my coaches, she's a real
like, money coach. So she talks a lot about money and wealth, and like building she's very good on like, personal power, and all of that, she's like, for you to go to your next level, you actually probably need to be a lot more powerful, and show that powerful part of you that actually has created incredible things. And I was like, but I can see all these people that do
that. And these coaches in the industry and people that are like, you know, really incredible business mentors, they've stepped up, they've gone to these really high places. And I was like, hey, but I'm not that and what came up was like, I do want those things don't get me wrong, I want to build an empire. I want to build a school I want to make millions of dollars for you and I to go to Scandinavia together and like all these things, I want them but I kept saying, but I'm not
the designer clothes. I'm not the like, driving around in a G Wagen thing. So how can I be that like powerful and you know, building all these things and wanting and desiring more money, and still be me and bring forth I want actually to make bank so that I can go camping all over the world with my fucking swag. And it was just this all I just saw how I've actually limited myself there because I'm not allowing myself to be both.
That's right. Like it was that duality piece that came up again, where it's like, I've always been both like, I can be powerful and I can want to create money and wealth and all these things and still be the little Bogan at heart that actually just wants to ride around the country on and go camping and being a swag and be
dirty. Yeah, like you get to be both just because you want some things doesn't necessarily mean You're going to all of a sudden, like desire to, I don't know, spend your time shopping for Gucci. If that's not your thing, it was very evident when your accountant told you to go buy a fucking car, like they had to tell you to go and buy a car. Because it's just yeah, it's not your thing. And that's cool. Yeah, the case. Yeah. And this
is it's so funny. It's because like, I teach this inside of money mindset, like, and I know this already, like, money, amplifies what you already are, it really does like, and it's always a new level, another level. And so this is just another iteration of this story that's come up where I'm like, Oh, interesting. Like, I actually know, I'm not going to change. But it was that how can
I hold both? Like, how can I hold being the person who wants to create really big things, and probably still going to be that girl that was from the country and doesn't prefer to be? I just prefer, like simple things. And I want big things that look like
I can be both Yeah. And I had limited myself, because I didn't know how to get to an access the new level, because I thought it would mean the death of, and to some extent, it always means the death of like some version of you, for example, I need to stop doing that, like, oh, he like not celebrating myself, essentially. And so if there's some pieces that need to, like, be retired, but I'll always be the same person, money's never going to change that totally. It's like you get to be both.
You get to have money. And if you want, if you don't want to be like if that it was just what stories that are created, really. And so you said you've sort of come back around to this at something that you've dealt with before? Does it feel different this time? Or do you think it's going to be something that you're going to have to continually work on as you grow? This is just going to keep coming up? And as long as you can recognise it, then you can work to get past it at this next
level level? Isn't it interesting? It's sort of like when I was just asking you that I kind of imagine like a video game of your success right? Or of your business. Yeah. And every time you reach a new level, there's this little like monster that you have to be on every level. Good analogy. Yes, thing. And I think it's going to be really helpful and beneficial to people who are at various levels on their business journey to hear that from you that it's
going to keep coming up. Yes. And you just keep, you just got to keep chipping away and working to get past it and get to the next level. We're gonna face it again. And then the good news is your upper level. Yeah, you're still up a level? I think that's such a good question. Because it's exactly what it's option B, what you said like, it will keep coming up. And it's always new textures or iterations of it. We never just get get there. And we're
done. Especially if you're a self aware human who's always noticing like, Oh, this is bringing up something for me. What is that? Like? We don't just become Buddha? Yeah, like we actually and it is like I there was a question that came through in recess, which we'll we'll get to in one of the recess episodes about like, do I ever go into scarcity? Or do I ever like, and I'll, it was almost like, oh, yeah, I'm not I'm not super human. I'm a human, I'm gonna feel these
things. And it's just going to come in different flavours and textures. And it's exactly like you said, another level, another monster to slay. And this has just come up again. And I'm really I'm actually really excited by it. Like, I really love seeing new little shadows that appear so that you can like, put the torch on them. I mean, like, I'm choosing differently this time. Like, I'm just not doing it. And yeah, I think that's, it's really, it's comforting, and it's really
good advice. You know, and sort of speaking on the self awareness thing, as you do become more aware of pieces of you that you may want to have wanted to squash or been ashamed of, and just recognising that it's something that's a part of you. Yes, nothing to be ashamed of, and No, probably not going to go away. It's just how you develop how you how you respond to it is what will change. That's right. But you got to divert, you got to learn that.
Yeah, you got to start from a place of being reactive to those things. Yeah. And then you need to learn to recognise them and deal with them accordingly. Yeah, that's literally the magic. That's the magic key. It's just like, and sometimes it's like, first we become aware. And sometimes what people do is like they see it, and then they shame themselves. Like you said, it's like, Oh, why am I like this? Like, why am I scared? Something's wrong with
me. Like, some people have come to me as clients and they used to like, that doesn't happen anymore. But it was like, like, I'm doing something wrong. Like what's wrong with me? I feel scared and it's like, no, like, I'm feeling whatever, there's something wrong and it's like, that is actually something that needs to be unpacked because there is No feeling that's wrong. Shaming ourselves for having feelings is never the never the way to go about it. It's just curiosity. Ha, that's
really interesting. There she is, again, like, there's that little piece of me that like, whatever it is that's come up and just going okay, how am I going to respond to it this time? And it's just you just keep doing it. Yeah. Until you just become a seasoned pro. Yeah. So even you who I would think is a seasoned pro, it's still a challenge. Yeah, it's one that I love, like, challenge. I feel like yeah, it's a challenge that I'm obsessed with continuously. I
want to find new parts. So I think if we can learn to love the challenge, and not make ourselves wrong, we're gonna grow so much faster. Yeah, stop shaming. Yeah, stop the shaming. And so yeah, and you know what, like, if I held myself to all of the old beliefs of what I am, and what I'm not because of boxes, we wouldn't even be here because I was like, I remember when someone a psychic said to me once you're gonna have a business? And I was like,
Absolutely not. Absolutely fucking loosely, not Will I ever, I am not a business person. That's what I said, Well, you've boxed yourself, I am not, I am not that I'm a professional or I'm an academic or whatever. I'm not going to start a business. And so it's like, just all of these things that we've decided that we are that we're not, they, they essentially require us to shut off to duality. Like, what if I can be what if I can be both?
What if I can hold multiple things like, and and I think that's really fun. Do you feel like a weight lifted like now that the conversations have been had, it's sort of like you've cracked through that barrier again, and you're just ready to hit the ground running? And yes, and no, yes. It's like, oh, there it is. I've got the awareness. But actually, the
work starts now. Yeah. And I think that's another like thing, just to be aware of, and for anyone listening, who has a coach has a mentor joins courses into personal development. It's like doing the consuming the content or having the conversation or showing up to your session. That's not where the work is. It's cool. It's like the gateway, it's like a little unlock key. But you still got to go through that game, you still got to go and do the
things. And so for me, it was like, Okay, now I've realised this, I actually need to lean in and step up and own some things and celebrate myself. And that feels uncomfortable. Yeah, so it feels scary. Like, I even like I was like, right, what am I going to do with this? Like, I've been told I've been reflected something. I can see it now. But I need to choose something differently right fucking now.
And so it was like, I went straight into clickup You'll see it later, I started drafting a post where I was actually just celebrating myself some milestones. And it felt fucking scary. And because I'm so used to celebrating everyone else. And it was like, Okay, this is a really good opportunity for me to do what feels scary and celebrate some things. And even ask, like, ask some people to celebrate with me, like, hey, like, if I say to Paul, I want to celebrate something I want to
like, practice this. It feels so uncomfortable. Yeah, it really does. Because it's that whole, like, you know, we're all afraid tall poppy syndrome, as we've spoken about you don't want to be but you don't want to be and I remember having this conversation with some of my students when I was a teenager, I made them all celebrate themselves and talk about what they loved about themselves. And they were all like, No, me is how cringe. And I was like, why?
And they said, because we don't want to be perceived like up yourself. You don't want to make other people feel bad. You don't want to like, you know, start to look like up yourself beach or whatever. And I think it's just so programmed. So we don't try and rate ourselves and calling myself out on it now. So stops now it stops now. Well, I can't wait for that post to come
out. I haven't seen it yet. I'll make sure I'll make you will you and this is a great thing about me just writing it and then leaving it to you. Because once it's written, it's like, okay, cool. Now it's done. I don't even have to answer that question in a very long way. Like, yes, it feels like I've seen something that feels like a big relief. But actually, the work doesn't start until you actually see it and then change something and it's gonna feel uncomfortable, it's going to
feel really scary. It's going to feel like you're at your edge, but at your edge is actually where your growth is. And that's where, if you can do that enough times the stories just rewrite themselves over time. Amazing. Something to definitely keep in mind for anyone who's in a similar situation. Yeah, I'd love to hear I'd love to hear if anyone's resonating like please. This feels actually quite vulnerable if I'm honest. Yeah. So thanks for sharing. Oh, good. Love it.
Did it feel be easier to share? Because we're chatting? Yeah, probably just having a chat to you. It's yeah, and I think that's just what we said this when I started the rebrand and we did the mind school. I wanted to be a lot more behind the scenes what's going on? I don't ever want this perception that like, just because I work in mindset, emotional intelligence and all of these things. I have a lot that I can share doesn't mean I'm a superhuman. I don't want
to be on a pedestal. I want to share things that are real and, and vulnerable. And I think that's what true leadership is. I think leadership is being vulnerable. So I'm holding myself to it could not agree more. Yeah, you're definitely leading the way even though it feels a bit scary. You don't. All right. Well, that's awesome. Week, not actually a while I'll be in Bali. See, you never know. I'll be back in a month. Okay, cool. Well, I'll see you next time. See ya. All right.
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