Welcome to the mind school, the classroom for your mind and soul where we design our lives from the inside out. He will find a human first approach to life, business and relationships to create freedom, growth and constant evolution through mindset, emotional intelligence, leadership and connection to self. I'm your host, Breanna Mae, educator, CEO, mindset and business
mentor. And my mission is to teach the things we were never taught at school, so that no dream is left on the pillow and no purpose left unfulfilled. Here you can expect a lot of laughs and thought provoking conversation as we squeezed every drop of juice from this beautiful, precious, crazy thing called life. Hey, fam, it's man's here, I just wanted to jump in quickly before this episode started, you will notice that there is quite
a hefty echo. In the audio on this episode, we didn't realise that was going to be the case until after Bree sent it to me. And we did debate whether or not we released it. But a little lesson from Bree on the road. She said she would prefer to have it out there then for it to be perfect. And I kind of agree because this is a really juicy episode, juicy in the sense that if you're struggling with a little bit of fear, a little bit of doubt in relation to any
situation. I think there's some really helpful hints and info in this. She wanted me to remind you that this podcast was birthed on her bedroom floor when no one was listening, and she didn't know what she was doing. And the reason that it's reached the point that it has is because she just got it out there. So in that spirit, this episode is just going to be put out there. And I really hope that you can listen and take the gold nuggets because there are plenty. So without further ado,
I hope you enjoy. Boy. You're welcome. Welcome to my little hotel somewhere in I don't know, I don't even know where I am. I'm somewhere in France on the southwest of Paris. We've been writing for three days since we hit Paris. And we are now I think the city is called tours. And it's been a bit of a joke guys. Just a quick little update before I dive into this episode, which is a bloody banger if I do say so myself.
We obviously for those of you who are new or haven't followed along on the socials Paul and I are cycling. Last year we cycled from Amsterdam and went all the way west across to Athens. And that was a huge trip. And this time we've sort of started in the same location and gone south and we are doing like the other end of one of the paths that we
were obsessed with. And I always joke because like anyone who's done level up with me knows that in my dream life I always like when I wrote out my dream life and this is in the journal for level up by the way, guys, if you're interested, we're opening very, very soon. But more on that later. In my dream design. I wrote that in winter, I would
just not be there. Like in winter I will either go to Bali or I'd go to Exmouth and I'd work on my laptop in the sun on more recently since we've discovered bike touring and bikepacking. I'm like, well, I'll just be in the European summer. And it has been howling, it's tits off. It is raining so fucking hard. We've spent the last two to three weeks cycling in the most abysmal situation. And it's honestly just been a whole exercise in attitude,
really. And we've made this light pole and I have created this little catchphrase every time one of us which is mostly me, I'll be honest, every time I crack it because I'm fucking damp and there's still another 30 Kay's till our next place. I'm like summer isn't attitude. And so Paul will say summer is an attitude, Brianna. So we've decided that we're going to just make lemonade and it's been actually really fun but very, very, very exciting is that the weather the weather has the
front has cleared fam. I'm so excited. Like I'm so excited to hit the pads today. Last night we arrived in this city and we were going to camp because to be honest, I just prefer it. I actually love sitting on my deck chair, being in nature, doing a little bit of reading, doing a bit of work chatting to Paul looking at whatever surroundings are around chatting to the people like I prefer camping but last night we were just done.
And so we booked another hotel we've been hotel hopping really because it's too wet to camp and then pack up the tent in the rain. So we booked a little hotel last night. And I was like, You know what, I'm going to do a bit of content. And we're going to just relax because we are tired, like our bodies were really tired. We did about 200 ks and say in the last two days, so we rocked up in the rainy, windy in this city. And we actually went out
for dinner. And then we went and watched Bobby and it was in English, which is really cool. We were like, well, it could be in French, we're not sure. So when watch Bobby, we sat down and just veg out for a few hours. And now I've woken up and the rain has stopped. We have nothing but blue skies for the next week or so it is funny, and we are hitting the path towards the south of France. And I am beyond excited. So that's happening.
And before I get into the episode, I just wanted to say this is really important for anyone listening, who is thinking of joining level up. And if you're thinking about it, I urge you, I urge you to tap into what is the resistance I'm feeling? And how can I lean into courage because if you're, if it's feeling like a call to you, being ready is just it's not a feeling. It's a decision. And I'm going to talk a bit more about this on today's episode.
But if you're feeling the pull towards level up, and you're also feeling a little bit, a bit lucky, the scholarship to level up your life is opening next Monday. So every round, I take on applications and I bring in one person to level up. Tabitha who did last round under the scholarship was absolutely like, Oh, she's had the most insane transformation. And she's actually going to come on here next week to talk about it, because what her transformation
was incredible to watch. And she was actually the scholarship winner last round. So that will be open on Monday. And this is just a reminder to anyone feeling the pool, and feeling like it's your turn, oh, put your put your registration and submit your registration, it will be all on my socials next week, the doors will be open to the scholarship, which is very,
very, very exciting. I absolutely love reading the applicants, because it makes me just feel so connected to the cohort so connected to where it is you're at what it is you're going through. And I just get so much energetic momentum from reading those. And so I'm very, very, very excited to open the scholarship. And that will be on Monday. So I want to dive into
today's episode. And it's actually I ended up writing a whole bunch of notes last night, Paul and I went out for dinner, and we were having a conversation around VR, and the different types of VR. And I think this is something that once you learn that to distinguish different types of VR, you get to become somebody who consistently expands yourself, who up levels, who moves forward and creates any opportunities and goals you set for yourself because you've distinguished the different
types of fear. Now, learning how to master and identify and know which is which, for me, has personally been one of the main reasons I've been able to completely change my life in the last few years. And if you look back just three years ago, right now, the fact that I'm sitting in a hotel room somewhere in France, it's it's actually not even it's kind of weird. This is something I was thinking about when I was cycling, it's almost become normal. Like it's so crazy how fast we condition
ourselves. Because three years ago, that version of me would have seen my life right now and been like in tears like, what the hell? How did what that's everything I've dreamed of. And it's just a quick little tidbit tidbit there but I was cycling and thinking wow, it's crazy how fast we condition. And this is just my new normal. We were cycling in Europe for 10 weeks. Last year. We're here again, I've been in Thailand this year. I've been in Indonesia this
year. I'm off to Sydney next year, next week, sorry, next month with my friends. Like it's very normalised now and I've created this whole new normal for myself. The reason I was thinking about it when I was cycling was actually just how important it is to go back to where you once were to really anchor in that gratitude, because otherwise we condition very fast. And our new normal is
just normal. And we lose the ability to really anchor into such gratitude, which is what I was doing the other day when I was cycling, I was thinking back to this time three years ago was probably the most hectic time of the year for teachers. You're always trying to get reports done. You know, you're also getting ready for the end of year there's exams coming up.
There's a lot of more report writing, you're doing assessments and that for me was always so just, I felt so out of purpose when I was sitting there doing paperwork on my weekends. And I remember thinking God if I could just create a life where I get to have real like meaningful conversations with people and inspire people and teach them how to use their mind to create anything, which is kind of what I was doing with a lot of my students. I was like if I can
create that. I am just going to be the happiest person and I am like the I've lived it and my life is an example of the work I teach inside of level up your life and so is the results of hundreds of people who have done it. And so I was thinking about
that. And I was thinking about how, again, like, because I've been re designing and refining and making improvements and adding content and adding modules to level up I've been really sitting with, right, who gets real transformation and who doesn't, and what was the real main ingredients for me, and
what it comes down to. And this is why I wanted to record a podcast, whether you're doing level up, whether you're not whether you've already done it, whether you're on the fence, whether there's something in your life, where you're on the fence, you're feeling resistance, you've got a big goal, whether there's something that you're just you know, is there for you, but you're kind of pulling back, you're self sabotaging, then this is an episode that I want you to listen to millions and millions
of times, because once you get this, once you get this, everything changes. And that is learning to know the difference between real fear and perceived fear, learning the different types of fear, and learning how to be someone who can move and work with fear, instead of run away from and self sabotage. And so what I've come up with is really, there's two different
types of fear. One of them. And I want you to think about this, as I talk, one of the types that and what I want to say before I get into this, is that fear is not a bad thing, like the last thing I ever want for any client or for any of you listening is to eradicate fear. And to go, oh, I don't know if you're any more like how do I get rid of this fear? Oh, cool, I don't have any more. If you're not feeling fear, I would argue that you're probably not living on the edge of growth very often.
And that's fine. But that's probably not why you're listening to this podcast. Because this past this podcast is largely about evolution and growth and, you know, stretching yourself and realising your potential. So what I'm saying there is, we don't want to eradicate fear, we actually want to make a relationship with it, where we learn the different types, and
we work with it. I love using and navigating and using that fear frequency to understand where it is I need to go it is actually a really great ally. That's what fear is, to me, my fear is my ally, it is my North Star. It is a tool that I use to help me navigate when I'm on the edge of comfort, and when it's time to lean in and be showing up with courage. And so we are not, not going to and we're not trying to get rid of fear. We are just learning to distinguish the very the different types and
learn how to move with them. And let them be a tool to guide us towards expansion. So let's start with the first type of fear which is a genuine Fiat, which is a threat to your safety or a threat to your Maslow's hierarchy. If you haven't seen Maslow's hierarchy is basically the pyramid of fundamental human needs and what needs to be covered at each level before we
can self actualize? Right so right at the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy, or if you just think about it as fundamental human human needs, we've got safety we've got shelter, the very bare basics. So there is a fear a genuine fear that comes from a threat to our actual life and safety. And there are examples where you know, it is genuine fear it is like oh my god, I should not be here this is
wrong. It's like everything in your body is telling you this is wrong, go back this is wrong, go back and to give like real life examples. It might be just that you find yourself not saying this happened to me like literally last week, but it did. You find yourself in a very, very dodgy area. And you are being leered at and you do everything in your body is saying do not you do not need to be here, go back, go back, go
back, go back. Okay. It's a it's like this felt threat of your actual safety, you've landed in the wrong place at the wrong time. And there are people there that maybe are staring at you or threatening you. Or maybe like I remember one time that I literally got threatened in a park, someone wanted to fight me for no reason. I was scared. It was a physical threat. And yes, there's always our perception that comes into play. But genuinely you know the difference, you know, when you
are threatened. And that might mean you don't know. And it can be a real fear where it's like, I don't know where I'm going to live. I don't know where I'm going to eat like this is physical threats. This is threats to our safety and to our well being and to those bottom thing bottom, the bottom arch of Maslow's hierarchy. It's so it would feel so guttural and it's like everything in your saying this is wrong. Go back. So there's that real fear. And that is again, a beautiful thing
because what does it do? It keeps us alive. We've been programmed to stay alive if you walk if you saw, I don't know a great white shark when you're out in the waves. It's actually happened to Paul, you would feel real fucking fear. And that is too that is your body and that is your conditioning. And that is your programming to go big threat to safety, get the fuck out of the waves. That's not, that's not your mind playing tricks on you, because it actually wants to keep you safe.
It is genuinely, I'm not safe, let's get out. So there is real threats, there is real fear. And that is beautiful, because it's what keeps us alive. Okay. Then the second type of fear, which is the type of fear that if you are on any type of personal development journey, or you're just you're aiming towards a goal, or you want to do something you've never done
before. And I want to also point out here, guys, this doesn't have to be this like, Holy fucking shit, I've changed my life, I quit my job, I left my marriage, I built this seven or eight figure business, I'm like doing scary things I'm like, it doesn't even need to be those
things. Sometimes the most transformational pieces where fear comes in is like asserting a boundary, speaking up for yourself, going to someone and having a conversation, like it can be any types of fear comes up in lots of different ways. But what I'm saying is fear will come up in other ways where it is not a real threat to safety, it is our mind playing tricks on us. And it is a very normal
response. This is the type of fear that is a normal response to the edge of growth, a normal response to the edge of growth. And if you are on the edge of growth, meaning you are walking outside your comfort zone, this is a bit new to you, maybe you never really stand up for yourself. Maybe you've never dived into a personal development programme before, maybe you've never invested this
much in yourself before. Maybe you've never, for example, like I had so much fun the last time that we left Dam Square to start cycling, I was like pretty nervous, pretty scared. Paul was really nervous. He was like, Oh my gosh, this is we've never done it before. We've never gone backpacking. We don't know how this works, we've literally never done it. And again, like I used to feel so much I remember the first time I invested in my first mentor to do like a lot of
personal development. I was so nervous, a because I'd never invested that type of money before. And be because I actually didn't know what was going to come up for me, it was really, really scary. However, it was never a threat to my
safety. And even though it might have felt edgy, like, this is a lot of money, I never put myself in a position where it's like, I don't know how I'm gonna pay my mortgage, I don't know how I'm gonna pay for groceries, all of the fear was my mind playing tricks on me because it likes the safety zone. It likes the comfort zone, it doesn't like to be forced to change, because it wants to keep us safe, it wants to keep us feeling the same feelings, and therefore getting
the same results. And so this is where we have to learn to know. And honestly, if you really, if you really tap into your heart and your intuition, you know, when there is real fear, and when there is just the fear of growth that is making you believe. And this is where it gets really tricky, you will start to feel when you're on the edge of something, maybe you're about to lean into this whole new personal development journey. Or maybe you're about to have a conversation with
someone that feels scary. Or maybe you're about to quit your job and start a business or maybe you're about to I don't know, go travelling and live out of a bike. I don't know what it is. But what will happen when you're on the edge of growth and the edge of expansion is that your mind will start telling you things to put you back into that safety zone. And it will say things like what real fear sounds like like no, go back, go back, go back, go back. This is a net go back. This isn't right,
go back. And it will sound like real genuine fear. And you will start to believe that it is. But what you need to do at that point is stop and ask yourself, Is this real fear? Is this real threat to safety? Or is this the fear that comes on the on the edge of growth? And if it is what you need and you will know the difference? You will know
the difference? And in a moment, I'm going to give you some questions to ask yourself so you do know but honestly, I think if you really tap into your heart and your intuition, you know the difference and what that requires you to do is to stop and to go okay, this is my mind playing tricks on me because I'm on the edge of something big here I'm contracting before I expand. And what I now need to do is be someone who leads with
courage. I need to be someone who leads with courage because that is the only way to move through this and to come out the other side expanded. I've just recently completed Brianna's 12 week level up programme and couldn't recommend it more. I have continued to block out Tuesday afternoons when we would normally have our zoom call to work on level up material because I just think you can't get
Have enough of it. And I know I'll continue to use the workbook over and over again with different areas of my life that I'm looking to level up. Brees, full of so much information. And her outlook is just magnetic and engaging and you can't help but start to want to reframe your thinking. And my biggest takeaway was the power of our mind and our imagination. We need to use it for more positivity loved level up.
To come out the other side, more evolved to come out the other side proud of myself to come out the other side with everything that I know I am capable of. But I have to move through this with courage because you are not going to get to the other side without this normal fear response coming up. But are you going to be someone who moves anyway? And if not, when you start to feel this feeling of like, oh, no, go back, go back. This is scary. Go back and it
feels like resistance. It's going to come up like self sabotage. It's going to play out like, Oh, I didn't really care much anyway, it's all good or are I was going to say something but maybe not or, or wait till I can afford it. That's another one that always cracks me up. I'll wait till I can afford it. That is actually perpetuating the waiting like that. To me. I think I've got another few posts coming about this because I was also thinking about this while I
was cycling. Paul said something along the lines of how incredible it is that we're in this position to be able to travel and to do all the things we're doing. And I actually didn't, it didn't resonate for me because what that like I've never waited I was 20 pollinate holidaying in the Maldives with my girlfriend when I was a broke Uni student. I've never ever, ever, ever been one to say, Oh, wait until I can afford it. Because that would require
that's just more waiting. And then more of the same results and more of the same actions, which means you're never going to change and get the result, I would make a decision, I would book a trip, I would go find 10,000 jobs that I could work and then I would end up in the Maldives and never waited till I can afford it. But saying that in itself is actually a lot of sabotage II sort of frequencies.
And I think it's something just to be aware of, because if you start anything with a wait until you're going to be waiting forever, and it's a sabotage because you're feeling the perceived threat. And you're going back and you're retreating back to the comfort zone. And I also want to say there's nothing
wrong with that. Because the other thing, the other piece of this where I'm going to contradict myself is that sometimes you might actually and then this is where being intentional is everything, you might intentionally decide, okay, I can see that there is a bit of a fear frequency here. I don't, I'm feeling like I want to lean out. And right now I'm not ready to go there. And
that's okay, too. But you need to be okay with the fact that you're going back to the comfort zone, there's not going to be any growth there. There's not going to be any evolution there. And when you're ready, you'll come back to it. And that's fine, too. I've done that before with a couple things with one particular trauma. I knew it was there and I wasn't ready. And I didn't go into it until probably the last six months. And now there's growth because I was
ready. So there's also that, but if you know that there is something else for you, if you know that you've got a goal, if you know that there's something else you are going to feel fear and resistance. And when you feel that and you start to feel all those frequencies of Go back, go back. This isn't right, I don't want to do it. There's that real frequency of resistance and like leaning back, and it's a real contraction feeling. That's when
the self sabotage comes up. So watch out for that when you start saying things like, oh, maybe later, maybe I'll wait until or maybe another time, maybe another day. Maybe I need to like clean my house first. Maybe I'm going to clean out my inbox first. Maybe I'm going to whatever your procrastination habit is whatever your self sabotage habit is whatever it is, that is the clear indicator that you are not working with fear. And knowing the difference is going to be the reason you
grow. It's going to be what takes you to where you want to go, if you let it. And so what I wanted to do is give you some questions and give you some things that you can start to ask yourself so that you can use this forever in your growth journey in your evolution journey so that you get to be fully actualized so you get to realise your potential. You also get to have better relationships because you lean in when you
want to lean out. You also start to create more money because money loves bold action and you have to make bold action through bold moves which is usually moving through and with fear. Like there are so many ways that this helps you and that is because you are going to learn the difference and then make the choice voice to be someone who moves with courage, move with courage, move with courage, move with courage again and again and again and again. And then on the other side, you will realise it
was just a perceived threat. It wasn't a real threat, there is a very, very, very big difference. And so I want you to ask yourself, and you know what it is, you're resisting right? Now, I want you to ask yourself, Is this something new? Is this something I've never done before? And if so, of course, I'm going to feel all of the feelings of fear and resistance,
that is just so normal. And to think that you're never gonna feel that is actually delusional, you don't get to try new things without feeling some sort of beginner frequency. And that is what you need to start to really love. So is this something new? Is this something that is threatening my actual basic fundamental needs? Am I going to be able to eat tomorrow? Is my physical safety threatened? Do I know where I'm going to sleep? If I move through with this? Like, is it
an actual threat? I want you to ask those questions. What's the story I've made? That's another one, what's the story I've made about this? What is the perception that I have created in my mind that is making this more scary than it needs to be? Really ask yourself that question, and the last thing I want to leave you with, and this
is huge, this is huge. If you make the decision that you're not going to lean in, or that you can't go into that cave, the cave, you know that quote, the cave, you fear the most holds the treasure you, you seek a fucking love that. If you decide not to go into the cave, or if you're scared to go into the cave, I actually would, I honestly invite you to ask yourself, if you can start to look at what parts of me doesn't trust that I can handle myself with what's in that cave.
Because if you're leaning out, because really, your what that is telling me is that there is a lack of self trust. If you can't lean in to a tough conversation, if you can't lean into the fear that comes with the normal process of learning something new. If you can't lean into that normal fear that comes from playing at the conference edge. What you're actually saying underneath all of it, is I don't trust myself. I don't trust myself to deal with the reaction. I don't trust myself
to follow through. I don't trust myself to hold this New Energy. I don't trust myself to be able to handle fear. I don't trust myself to deal with the fallout, I don't trust myself to be and this to me is a huge red flag. And so if you can, and when you can start to distinguish the difference and then lean into courage and trust. You have to learn to trust yourself because everything good, and all of your confidence, all of your solid relationships, your careers, everything good comes from self
trust and courage. I truly believe that and that means you need to know the difference between the two types of fear. And that I promise you, I promise you, knowing those things, and then choosing to be someone who leads with courage again and again and again and again. And again. That is actually the thing that will transform your relationships, your marriage, your bank, account your life, whatever it is, that is the golden ticket.
And that makes me so excited to get stuck into this round a level up because you can bet your bottom dollar there is going to be a lot of conversation around anchoring into courage. And I am just so so so so so excited and ready for this new round I have so much new fresh, exciting things
to add. I'm so pumped and guys, like I said the scholarship is opening this week and use this as an as a potentially, if this is something where you're feeling resistance where you're feeling like you're leaning out where you're feeling that oh, this could be a lot or maybe I've never invested in myself before or what might happen or just any of that I really and it might not be level up whatever it is, I encourage you to tap into an anchor into which fear frequency is it? Is it genuine
fear frequency? Or is it the growth fear frequency because there is a big difference and when you learn to move with both, your life will change. And so with that in mind, I'm just going to quickly shamelessly plug the fuck out of level up your life which is opening in a few weeks. The waitlist is
growing and I'm so excited. I know there's a few people who have reached out and said hold my spot I want to be in VIP and so please make sure you're on the waitlist I am doing VIP this round is only going to be 10 spots. Very, very, very exciting. This is for anyone who doesn't know it is my 12 week
signature course. It is really I find it hard to articulate because hundreds of people have had different results, but ultimately is a 12 it is a 12 week personal development journey and a journey into yourself into self awareness into truly knowing yourself. And what I say is like it's kind of the human It's the user's manual for the human mind. And it's the thing
that you were never taught. But imagine what it would be like to have a manual for how to use your mind, to align it with what you want and to be able to move through anything. And that might mean you transform it, transform your life in the most radical, crazy ways. Like we've had people that have moved, states built businesses, created like new map everything. There's been so many huge, big tangibles. But there's my favourite is the
intangibles. People who say things to me, like I'm a better mom, I'm a happier Mom, I'm more present, I wear the damn shorts. Now, I don't care so much what people think I speak up for myself, I know who I am. All of this is like an intrinsic is an intrinsic change. It's an internal change. And always that usually, always that creates
external shifts. But ultimately, it is the personal development programme for you to come home to yourself, to learn how to use your mind to alignment with your soul, your heart, and to be able to move through life, and basically be a happier human. That's what I put it down to. And so we are opening very soon, all of the information is going to be on my socials, it's also going to be in the show notes over the next few weeks. So make
sure you're following along. I'm sure you're going to be watching me dancing my little butt off in random places around France and Spain over the next few weeks. So keep your eyes peeled for that. I'm very, very excited to welcome the new round in but for now, I better hit the path. I believe when Look, I don't know where we're going. Thank God for Paul is all I can say we're going somewhere towards 90s. I don't even know if that's how you say it. But we're hitting the French coast very, very
soon. And there's going to be sunshine. And I'm just so excited. So hope you're having a very great week and I will speak to you here next week. Bye. Thank you for tuning in to the MindScape podcast. It is a massive intention of mine to continue to grow this show. Because the more the show grows, the better the guests get. And I know that is going to be so
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