How shadow work transformed my marriage & career, with Kate Nasmyth

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we call you Harvey. And I think that it's going to speak for itself. Why? So thank you so much for coming back onto the mind school podcast. K, I'm so excited. I haven't actually had an update yet. So this is literally me getting a live update of how life, business, family, marriage, all of that stuff has gone down since the mind school, and I'm really pumped to talk to you about it. Thanks, Breanna,

missing there. In hindsight, now I know that it's that's the shadow work that we did. It's the self trust, and it's the embodiment, and as a result of doing all that incredible work with you and Courtney, who just literally transformed my life, you know, that was in April, but in the last what, six months, things have just like gone nuts in terms of my career. I've when I when I jumped in to when I was in the mind school. I'd actually just been appointed into a GM

role for a secondment. Yeah, I knew I could do it because, you know, I don't believe in failure. I believe in I will, I will succeed. There was a lack of self trust there. And through working through the with the mind school and you and Courtney, it just, it cracked me, like, literally correct me wide open, like, next level, just and then goosebumps talking

about it. It's insane. It's so funny as you're talking, I remember the day, I remember what you were wearing, I remember what we were doing, and I remember going out for drinks after and just looking at you thinking, holy, wow. Like you were standing different, like you could physically see when you cracked open. I think that was on day four. But so if we, if we rewind back, there's a lot of people that are listening who are like, well, the mind school method, is it for coaches? Is it

not for coaches? And I've always, I actually reached out to you and said, like, this is why I find it so hard to almost market the mind school, because, yes, it is a certification for coaches. But you came in not as a coach, not wanting to be a coach. You've got huge career aspirations, but what we've since discovered is you coach so much within your role without us actually knowing it. So what was your reasoning like? There was the self trust? Was there anything else that you came in

wanting to learn? It was the the NLP. So from from working with you in lull and and a long time listener podcast, really love references to NLP and unpacking that, so I had had a very basic understanding as to what that was, but I knew that in developing that I could actually help me to leverage those relationships at work and be able to directly and indirectly support the team in leveling up in each of the states so and I have actually i. Actually done that, and I did it

very, very quickly. I applied the principles very quickly. And when I came back from the mind school, within a week, people were just looking at me, going, like, what's happened? Things changed my vibe. I'm all I've always had a really high vibe. It's just my my personality, but it was like I was on steroids, and I still feel it to this day, like I feel like I'm constantly on a high because I'm finally honoring my truth and who I am and I'm not. I no longer sit in

a place of lack of self trust. I know I can feel it within, within my core. I go ask myself, you know, is this right? Trust yourself and you you and as you start to do the work, you know, okay, what type of fear is this? Is this fear because I am doing something for the first time, and it may or may not go as I think it will, or is there a genuine risk there? And nine times out of 10 for me, it's just, we're just pushing the

ceiling again. And you, you become very attuned to knowing, okay, this, there's no saber toothed Tiger that's chasing me. We're good. Let's push Yeah. So that some, it's been been incredible, and the feedback that I've had from work is that they, they I've blown everybody's expectations in this secondment, and I've actually

blown mine as well. I knew going into it I wanted to be a GM, and I wanted I knew that I had the skill set, yeah, but I just can't believe how things have changed and how I've evolved, and I've taken it to the next level. It's so fulfilling. I've never, never been so happy in my life in terms of my career and but my whole life, like I feel like it's not this is not just helped me in terms of, you know, my personal development, and which is then extended into my

career. But my, like my marriage, I went, you know, I went to the mind school thinking that, I thought that it was, this was going to be the thing that was going to end it, that I because he wasn't, he wasn't growing at the same rate that I was, and wasn't where I expected him to be,

that's huge. I think there's so much because you're not alone in that there was that's a really common thing that I hear and that people are worried about coming into, or not even coming into, the mind school, doing any form of self development, of growing themselves. Some people even sabotage their own growth, because subconsciously, they don't want to create that much distance in their relationships. And I've watched you over the last three years grow from like you're you're almost hard to

keep up with. It's like you say you're going to do something, and within a few months it's done like you just grow and grow and grow. And I know that was a main concern with your beautiful Troy, who we absolutely adore, what what helped? Because you've come out stronger and you've said, like, there was a lot of moments in the mind school that helped you to make a decision about where to go within the

relationship. What was it for you that either made you stronger or what fears were coming up, like, can we just speak to that? Because I think a lot of women would resonate. It was the shadow work. So when we went through the Shadow Work module, you talk about when you're in an uncomfortable situation, or you're judging somebody, you're actually holding a mirror up to yourself, my expectation was that, if I was making the moves and I was growing, yeah, that. Well, why isn't he? Yes, he is.

He is growing and developing, but he's not quantum leaping like me, like he should be. He should be this, he should be that, like they were all of the you know that the ego, the ego is very black and white, right? Very yes and no. He should be doing this. They should be doing that. And I think it was on day five when we were all in the circle, and you called out the fact that there's no one person in anyone's life who is meant to be everything, like it's meant to fulfill everything for you.

And that just landed, like, literally, I felt like I was punched in the guts, in a good way, because it was all slapped across the face, like a wake up. Yeah, you're expecting Troy to to essentially be all of these things, which is completely unfair, because nobody, there is no person who will ever do that for me? He fulfills certain parts. I've got friends that I've developed through my the incredible VIP lull group that we had back in 2022 who notoriously broke you I've got

friendships through that. And I've got a best friend who. Helen at work, who isn't she just is obsessed with you, and we're going to do the mind school when you come to Sydney together. Yay. I told her, we're going, um, but I've got all these different people who are in my life who essentially create the vision of what I thought Troy was supposed to do.

Oh, and that night, I actually went home, and I called him, and I apologize, because even though I hadn't said to him, I expect X, Y and Z from you, he would have been feeling it, you know, because I've, I am, it just oozes out of you, right? Like the however, what your vibes translate? Yeah, and he was, he was pretty much speechless, like he was just blown away that I'd

had that transformation. But also, I guess, that I've been able to articulate it, yeah, because I don't think that, I think that, yeah, he was definitely feeling it, but it was a case of, you know, like, how would he even address that with me? Do you know what I mean? Like, it was just, it was incredible, and I felt so grateful in that moment that that you'd shared that piece of wisdom, because I thought I literally at a point in my marriage where I just thought

it's just not going to work. I got I was close to being done, and it breaks my heart to say that now, because it was me all the time. They were my shadows that I was projecting. It was all of me, rather than an incredible husband and the career I have today. Yeah, I go to work and I do all the things,

but He supports me. He is my foundation, even when the mind school came up and you messaged me, and I shared him The Voice Note that you sent me about going and I wanted to share it with him as a place, because he knows how much I adore you and love you, and how you've helped me to awaken myself and leverage and build a career I've got. And he said to me, find a way to make it work. I'm grateful for the fact that we've always just been able to be in a financial situation where we just make

shit happen. But it was the time I just stepped into a new secondment. I was taking a week out. He said, We'll make it work. Just go, wow. It's just Yeah, it's the shadow work. 100% that just trained changed not just my my like my career, but my marriage, my friendships. I agree, it's so interesting. Like, I think that's the most common feedback. People come in for the NLP, and they walk away going, Oh, it was shadow work that actually blew the brains

apart. That was a huge takeaway for a lot of people, in that you can't expect one person or thing to fulfill every single need that you have, and I learned that the hard way, by expecting my business to fulfill all my needs. You know, I need to be creative and about like all these different things, and it's just that reminder. I think that's a teaching point for

anyone listening. We can't expect one thing, whether it's our business or our career or one person, whether it's our partner or our kids, to fulfill every single one of our needs, that's actually going to create so much unfair pressure and resent in that dynamic, when often it's an opportunity for us to look inwards and go, where are these needs not being met?

A, can I meet them myself? Or B, am I expecting all of it to fall on one person, such a huge thing, and I know that had really massive ripple effects, because what it does, I feel like Shadow Work creates the most ridiculous levels of self responsibility. And I'm assuming that's what makes you step into this GM as the most insane leader like you connect with people. You understand people.

You can see their shadows. You can see where you're projecting, where they're projecting, and you get to have these conversations that are in rooted in groundedness and responsibility. And that's what I believe a good leader is. And so it doesn't surprise me that you've gone and wowed the pants off this whole company. What have you noticed in terms of your leadership role and managing a team, leading a team, what have been the impacts from that lens?

So probably the key one has been able to unpack my shadows so that I can be vulnerable with the team and give them real life, and recent examples of how, when I've had a challenging moment, I've lent in and I've had that self trust that there's a number of financial constraints in terms of economies across Australia at the moment, and you know, businesses are struggling, and it's really, you know, for us around, yeah, these are the facts. This is what's happening.

But we're not going to stick our head in the sand. How do we pivot and change, knowing that when, when we're on the other side, that evidence log that we've built of how we are versatile and we can lean in, I'm getting that. Him to think about what that feels like. What's it going to feel like on the other side, when we've overcome this challenge? Yeah, instead of, instead of just sitting in we're not hitting our

numbers, we're struggling. The business has rolled out a whole program around sales Excellence, which is really built around, you know, taking the conversation and the relationship with the customer deeper and away from price. But all I'm hearing, you know, particularly from one study, is it's price, it's price, it's price. It's like, Guys, it's not about price, but stop talking

about price. It's about what is the value and what is the solution, which our business brings to the market, and the business that I'm in there is there is no other business like in the market that can bring all these brands together. Wow. So yeah, think about those solutions. Rather than we've just gotta get a sale. We've gotta hit our we've gotta hit our revenue number. But you're hitting your revenue number and your margins are tiny, so you've just waste your ROI. There's

nothing there. Focus on building

that relationship. Focus on on driving the solutions of the products that higher margins pivot the way you think, and it the benefit the ebook, your profit will drop through the bottom line and through some of that coaching that I've done, particularly over the last few months, we're starting to see the benefits of that roll through, which has been incredibly so that's rolled through that, what I hear is you have the ability, and you have been leveraging emotions and

motivational styles to get the best out of Your team. And I love what you just said. That is the we need to make that a bumper sticker or something that you put on your office door. Pivot your mindset like, yeah, the the economy pivots. The economy fluctuates. It has ups and downs and highs and lows and

recessions and booms. And what you're saying is pivot your mind, and that feeds through into revenue and profit margins have and so you've actually noticed, I'm assuming this does good things for team morale, but then also the bottom line is impacted the team. The team is excited because they see that. Okay, we've we've done what Kate said, we've changed the way we're interacting with the market. We're leaning into the

discomfort. We've now got our evidence, so it's helping them to build an evidence log of, yeah, when you do this, yeah, it's uncomfortable, but you're actually, I'm getting goose goosebumps against I love it, but you're able to to prove to yourself that when times are hard, you can do hard things and just just engage it and just move through it. Yeah, it's so exciting to really see the team. When they get to that realization, it's like, wow, it

actually does work. I am capable of doing things when they're hard. I can move through Wow. It's been really fulfilling. I'm so proud of you. I want to work for you. You sound like the best boss ever. It's like you've created such a safe space because you've been leading first. And that's something that I think is not to be forgotten or understated. You lead first with vulnerability. You lead first leaning into discomfort.

And that's not always easy to do when you're in a leadership position, and I don't know how many people in the corporate space would lead first with their heart and with their vulnerability. Have you found any has there been resistance around that, or is that feeling a little bit out of the mold to be the leader that sort of leads with heart and emotion and vulnerability? Did that bring up anything for you?

I think So historically, yes, it is rare, because I work in in essentially a buildings, buildings, products company, so it's very male dominated, yeah. So if you go back five years ago, I've always worn my heart on my sleeve. It's just me. I just, I can't change who I am, and I've always, I just think in being authentic, you get better rapport and build from your

relationships. So five years ago, with a lot of the senior males in the business, you wouldn't see it as more of a bravado, there's there's the ego, right? Whereas my GM, he leads with with that authentic vulnerability. Loves taking the piss out of himself, loves showing that he's he's not perfect, yeah. And I think you know that when you can break down those barriers, then people relate more to you. They engage more with you, and you can take them on that journey, because

there's an element of trust. I think that's that's really important. But I did, I did for a long time, you know, working in that male dominated industry, and it came up in the mind school was, I've always gotta work harder. I've got I'm a I'm a mother of two. And a little one, who's five, who's, you know, for the last five years, has been in out of hospital, constantly, surgeries, all these sort of things, and always thinking, I've gotta make up for

it. I've gotta push harder, you know, which I realized was actually a belief that my father drilled into me. Is it you're if you want to do, if you want to be up here, you're always going to have to push harder, because you're a female. What I what I realized for the mind school was that was actually his projection, because he was a business owner in a failed business, and he was he never pushed himself, because there was fear of failure, so it

strangled his potential. And so there were all these things that I unpacked I'm like, that isn't mine, that's no longer mine to hold, because that was his projection. So I was able to to unpack that in the mind school and go, thank you Dad, because that's helped to drive me to where I am now. But that belief that can sit over here, yeah? And that can you, because that is not mine. Yeah, having compassion as well. From for me, particularly, because I've never really held compassion for

myself. I've always sat in the masculine and just push, push, push, go, go, go, the work in compassion, pace that unlocking my feminine the embodied work we did with Courtney that was as transformational as the shadow work and the NLP,

days. It is immersive, it is transformative, and it is where you will learn the best of the best coaching tools from NLP, mindset, Shadow Work and emotional embodiment, so that you can be the best coach you can be, and have an overflowing heart and bank account to match your overflowing toolkit. The

What's your new belief there? So I don't know if this is the right term, but I now view it as asexual, as in gender doesn't play a role, yeah? And I just need to work smarter. Oh, so I to, I am very much a doer and a control freak, yeah? Love. I think if I can control the if I can control it, I can control the outcome, yeah, yeah. Well, that's a whole thing, right? So I need to work smarter. I need to trust my team. I need to

delegate. And through delegating, I'm actually showing them that I'm empowering them, and I trust them, and they come on the journey with me. So I think it's about working smarter that's so interesting. And I've actually read, and I've had a few theories sort of fleshed out. Where did I hear it? I'll have to link it somewhere. But it was like to get to a certain level of, let's say, business, or to get to a level of your career you typically start in

that more masculine energy. So you've got a you're hustling and you're doing, you're doing a lot of doing, and you're working hard. You're putting in hours. You're doing your time like you know, you were moving up the ranks. Now your GM, or to put it in a business context, now let's say you've got a big team underneath you. The next evolution, the next iteration of growth, is actually a more feminine role, because now you need to be the visionary, the Creator. You need to birth new

ideas. You need to nurture your team. You need to almost have this like lent back energy of nurturing and cultivating, a safe space for people to all thrive, which is more of that leaned back feminine energy, which is so interesting to hear you reflect that sounds very similar to your journey. And what does that look like now for you to be able to and I know I totally agree with you, like it's asexual, if that's the right word, like it's not actually about what genitalia we

have. It's just different character traits. But what does it mean for you now that you've spent more time doing embodiment work on. Locking sitting with your emotions, being in your feminine. How does it look for you now to go about your day? You're still a GM you've still got huge responsibilities. You're a mother of two. You're a wife. How do you balance it all without burning out whilst, you know, balancing all of it.

So since I've unlocked my feminine, and I was because I went into the wine school when we would drop into our bodies, and I I couldn't actually move my hips. They wouldn't move. And through that week, you and Courtney helped me to to release that and and receive. And I think for me, where I am now, being able to actually receive and sit in that feminine space allows me to be a far superior leader than what I was at the start of the year. It allows me

to give back. I sat with one of the one of the girls that reports to me, and one of her team members, because there's some, some, some struggles going on internally, and and she started to cry and started to, like, wipe her tears away. And I said, we don't wipe our tears away. Because, remember wiping your tears away. You're saying that. You know, we've gotta, you know, suppress, suppress. We don't. We don't get a tissue, we

don't have our eyes. We don't, you know, when someone starts crying, we don't, all of a sudden, you know, console them. You it's okay to feel the feelings, and if anything, you need to feel the feelings, because otherwise it just sits in your body and you don't deal with it, and then, you know, you got all these different instances where you've had emotional turmoil. At some point

it's going to just explode. But I think the biggest in terms of the feminine and the receiving, for me, the biggest part has been probably at home, at work, I'm doing the things I'm getting done. I come home and mum guilt comes in and I've gotta do, I feel like I've gotta do all the things. Yeah, Troy actually said to me, I'm gonna shift up our weekend so our weekends are absolutely free. Yeah, there's nothing. There is no cleaning. There's nothing. He's gonna he gets home earlier and he does

the cooking. He'll wash the floors this night. He'll do the washing this night. And when he did that, when he first brought this up for me, it made me feel really uncomfortable, and I had to sit with it, going, okay. Why do I feel uncomfortable? I feel uncomfortable because I feel like I should be doing this. He shouldn't have to pick up my

slack. And what he was actually doing was he was giving me a gift, oh, taking that pressure off me so that I could continue to, you know, dominate the world and shine and and transform our brand, which I love doing. But then also it gave us our weekends to just be our weekends that weren't stressed with, you

know, all of the life admin. And when I finally accepted that, and I said, I'm receiving that man that felt good, and it didn't feel like he's trying to step on my toes and pick up where I'm slack, it's we're a team, and we ebb and we flow, and it's just so it's so beautiful. And you know, being able to share some of those moments with the team at work, in terms of, you know, because I'm not our dynamic, is not

typical. It's more common now in terms of the woman being the breadwinner and the driver. Yeah, and there's a couple of women at work who are sort of younger than me and starting to go through that transition. So I've been able to impart these are the things that worked for us, that have helped me to get to where I'm at. So being able to share that as well, but also being softer. I've had people comment to me that I am, I'm more empathetic and softer than what I was before. It was pretty

much. These are the facts. Why aren't we here? You know? Yeah, down rather than what's, what's, everything that's caused this to be rather than just going straight to black and white, and it's helped me to then develop more meaningful and deeper relationships with people, because they see that I'm I'm not like the the old Kate slash Harvey, who was pretty much, we're driving for an outcome, and we didn't get there. It's about, okay, let's work through it so we can pivot and change.

And how do we get to where we need to be? But also, how do we learn from the path that we took and what we need to do? Into this time. Wow. We need to, we need to change your name. We need a new Loving Harvey, like a soft Harvey. We'll call you Megan, Michael. What was her name in suits? I can't even remember, Rachel. Maybe you're Rachel. Now, sexy. I love Donna. Donna. Yeah, maybe we'll call you Donna now, because Harvey seems like too masculine, but yeah, I just

hearing you. I feel so proud of you and also excited about actually getting the mind school. This is something you and I have spoken about, getting the mind school into corporate settings. I've never really dove into that space, but thanks to you. It's something that's happening in the background. And you really did help me to see how important this is in really large corporations use you guys work multinational. And I thought this, honestly, I kind of thought a lot of this was a

given. That's I thought, that this is how leaders lead no and it's I mentioned before how the business is rolling out your sales excellence piece, and it's all about changing the skills, changing the behavior, changing the environment. And I called it out the other day, saying we're in a leadership team. I said the reason why we're not getting the traction is because we're not changing the identity and the belief. You're not, you're not changing

that way. You can, you can go through and reset, you know, you can give people all the training, all the skills. You can change their environment. You can change their behaviors. But if you don't do that fundamental core work around that, the identity work and the belief work, yeah, like it doesn't. You'll have, you'll have an outcome for a period of time, but it's never, it's never going to become the new, you know, the new standard to which

they're operating by. So, you know, from my point of view, when you first, when you first launched the mind school. I was just sitting there going, man, like, stop talking about coaches, about people. It's about people. It's people. Like you're teaching yourself just to coaches when this is just, this is so like, fundamentally, so

much more. But I think you know from a corporate lens, if you can roll out those changes, and people can understand how they can leverage, you know, their own work, through their own shadow, Shadow works, and their shadows the NLP piece, particularly for leaders, for that embodiment. You know that the ROI on the investment for a business like it's untapped. I just think it's so much better there, because your people will shift and change, yeah, and I've seen myself in, I mean, it's not

even it was April this year. I did the first Wine School, and I just, I had my birthday on Sunday, and I reset and looked at, okay, what does the next 12 months look like? Yeah. And then I wrote, you know, I journaled, similar to what we do in December, right? Like, writing a letter. So it is next year, yeah. And I'm just like, we're going big, we're going big, we're going big. Like, it's,

it's huge. And interestingly enough, the letter that I wrote 31st of December last year, everything I've already done, and I'm like, Okay, well, we gotta do another one. We've gotta reset your one year intentions are always done in six months. You're just like, so cool to watch. And I'm so excited, like, I know that you and I will do something together with the mind school, and there's going to be so much

to it. And I I know you came for very professional reasons, and you know the relationship, it helped with your marriage and those sorts of things. The other thing that we didn't even realize at the time was right after the mind school you went through something that I can't even like. The tragedy of the whole situation is it is incomprehensible, and I remember you telling me that like you actually felt your feelings, like you actually allowed

yourself to just grieve. And that makes me so happy, because if you didn't learn those tools to do that, and then you swallowed it down, pushed it down, kept on moving, kept on doing the Harvey thing and just, you know, smashing your goals. Eventually, I'm I'm sure the people at work end up bearing that, or Troy ends up bearing that, and so that I know there's been more to it, if you're happy to share like I think that

there's just so much. It's so important that people understand it's not about feeling every single tiny feeling throughout the day. So you can't even get to your job and get shit done. That's not it. But when big things happen, it's about having. In the toolkit to know when to actually stop things and let your body alchemize stress so that it doesn't bleed onto the people who never cut you. We actually ended up going through there would. There were

two incidences. The the first one, I think, was less than a month after the mind school Gray. I ended up in hospital again. Oh yeah. Was not, it was actually turned out to be a tear in her bowel. And so we were back in Westmead, I think, for like five days, or something like that. And I was back, essentially living there, similar to what we did when she was first born. And we've, I think had about four hospital stays with her. She's five next

month, and two surgeries. It was the first time when we've gone through something like that, where I had compassion for myself. I didn't feel helpless. I didn't feel like I was failing her. I was facilitating an outcome for her with the specialists around us. I think I shared with the my school girls a video of me actually crying

and feeling it. Yeah, it was like, I think, at two o'clock in the morning, and I was just proud of myself for the fact that, yeah, it was painful, and yeah, we were here, and we were doing this again, and and she was a pin cushion, and there were all sorts of scans, but it was the fact that I was allowing myself To feel it, rather than trying to be the facilitator of all of her outcomes, I had to she was in the in one of the best hospital, children's hospitals, probably in the

world, with her incredible surgeon, Doctor Gordon Thomas, who I just man, I will never have enough gratitude for him, but I was there and present as her mother and caring for her as her mother, not trying to facilitate and manage doctors and nurses and and being the doer so that I could suppress my feelings. I was being the mother and loving her, and I normally never jump on teams calls without makeup. I was in the hospital having teams calls at work with no makeup, looking

like trash. And I didn't care, because for me, I was I unlocked something that was greater in terms of, I don't need to look a certain way to do my job, because that was another story I had, I had to I had to look corporate. I always had to have the makeup on. Hair to be perfect, clothes has to be perfect, all those things. And it was just like, That's bullshit. That's the old story.

And they're lucky to have you on this team's call, because she's actually in hospital, but she was just, you know, she was doing her own thing and playing and phone calls, and I hadn't brushed my hair, and, you know, I didn't give a, you know, they didn't even care. And they were more concerned about me actually being on the call. I'm like, Man, I need a break. Yeah. Just need a break. Yeah. Wow, that was that. And then in June, we we lost two people in a tragic car

accident. One was she was 32 years old, and her four month old baby was also killed in the accident. And my daughter and I just jumped in the car and drove straight up to Brisbane. And I've got to give a massive shout out to Cass from the mind school, because Cass opened up her home to me for that almost. It's almost two weeks we were up there, but there was, there was a lot in that week, and it was

really overwhelming. And I was, you know, on and off, I was still working, and I'd get emails come through or about something in particular, and I ended up calling a colleague and just said, look, if I, if I reply to this, and I deal with this, I can feel within myself. I don't have the capacity I need

to honor my needs. If I do, if I disregard that, I'm probably going to lose my job, because I'm literally going to, I'm going to let loose on this guy for something that isn't that's well and truly beyond what it's called for. Yeah, but I could

feel within myself. I don't. I don't I don't have the capacity to deal with that, and that's the other thing that the mind school taught me, was how to honor my needs, and I can actually now feel it in my body when I need to push back like even, even to the point on Sunday, we were meant to go out for lunch for my birthday. Me, and on the Friday night, there's just been a lot happening at work. There's lot, lot of amazing things are happening behind the scenes, of which my

boss told me about. And I just I wasn't in the right frame of mind. I did decompress and take it all in, and I called up Helen, my bestie, we were going to go and hang out, and I was open and honest with her, whereas in the past, I would have leveraged, oh, the kids are sick. This is sick. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have, I just would have put something out there to just cancel it and own really, I need space, and I need to hold

space for myself. And I didn't expect anything different from Helen, because she's amazing, but it was in me verbalizing that conversation, it really I felt I was giving myself a big, warm hug again, something else that I learned from the mind school. It's just, you know, holding space for yourself, honoring your needs, because you might think in the moment that makes you selfish or or you know you need to consider others, but it actually makes you a far

better person to be around. And they're all the things that I learned from the Wine School that just were transformational and incredible. Wow. I actually feel slightly speechless. I don't know what to get, where to go from that that's insane, and it's such a testament as you're talking I'm actually thinking like she's intelligent, like you're the way that you implement and integrate the lessons. It's like, I feel like you lived here many lives.

It's like you already know these things, and so as soon as you get this little bit of information or get this piece of education, it's like you're so quick to actually not only understand but then apply, implement and integrate in such a short time, it's astounding. And that goes to your character, and that goes to your intention.

And I've I just honestly, I feel the people who work, I don't even want to say below you, because that's not the right word, but the people who work within your team, under your leadership, are so so, so blessed. And I think that, again, it's just a testament to you. So thank you for doing the work. You have stopped cycles of things. We've spoken about that before, probably on the last

episode that you did. You stopped cycles, but you also create this amazing corporate culture, which is, I really think, a new wave of leadership. And I'm so proud to call you a mind school graduate. Thank you. I'm gonna that feels so good in my body. Everyone's like, what does that mean, guys? It's all about receiving so often. And this was something that I think almost everyone resonated with.

Like we say we want more. We want more, more more more money, more love, more friendships, more connection, more this, more that. But as soon as we get something, we block it. We're not so great at receiving. And I think it's typically a lot of women and not so great at receiving. And so that's what Kate was doing there, receiving it in her body and letting it land. You're such a good student. I love you so much, and we're not going to call you Harvey anymore. We're

going to call you Donna. Thank you so much for being here. Do you have any any final words, anything that you would say to someone who was considering the mind school, or just anything you want to wrap up with? I think to the key thing is, is that you don't need to be a

coach. This I am a prime example of, you know, what you learn in the mind school, it's applicable across your life, but also generations, being able to apply what I've learned in my home life the way that I'm mother differently now, it's just incredible. The the fact that this has transformed my career, I would say, is probably a secondary benefit of the of the human that I've become. So like just cannot wait for you to come to Sydney, because I will be signing up immediately with

Helen. Okay. Well, you know what? We're trying to decide where to go for 2025 and I'm like, I think it's, it's leaning towards Sydney, so we will see you there, and I can't wait. Thanks, Bree,

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