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The Michael Dukes Show, streaming live across the world. Live around the world on the Internet at MichaelDukesShow.com and across the state of Alaska on this, your favorite radio station and or FM translator. Good morning. my friends, and welcome to Monday. Wow, what a day, huh? What a day it is. Thank you for coming in and joining us. It is a, wow, it's been quite a weekend.
with lots of stuff going on around the, uh, around the state of Alaska. This weather has been something, something else, man, something else for sure. We appreciate you guys coming on board and being part of it today. Let's get started with what's happening around the state and what took place and what we're looking forward to today. On today's program, we're going to...
to be jumping into this with a discussion of what's coming up in the legislative session. We've got to look at all the bills that have been pre-filed. for the legislative session. The first tranche of bills came through on Friday, and we're expecting another batch of bills to be released. um, this coming Friday as well. Uh, but so far 89 bills and five. I think it's five constitutional amendments have been proposed.
for the upcoming session. Now, there's no expectation that all of these obviously will pass, but they always like to put out the first batch. to give people a chance to take a look at where the session is headed. And I'll tell you, based on what I'm seeing right now, I think a lot of the things that we talked about with Brad Keithley. from Alaskans for sustainable budgets last week are, well, 100% true. How, you know, this is the, this is like the kid's Christmas wish list.
How is this all going? How is this all going to go through? How are we going to pay for all of this? That's one of the things that we're going to talk about today here in our one. As we go through the show, we're going to talk about all the different bills and everything that it looks like it's shaping up to be. And it's probably. It's it's it's probably going to be just as tough as we expect. As we go through this, we'll give you the rundown on that. Then in our two.
We're going to be talking with Representative Kevin McCabe from Big Lake, who's got one of those pre-filed bills, but is also going to be kind of giving us a rundown of what he sees. in the upcoming session, and what should we expect, and should we get our hopes up? Should we get our hopes up? It's a question. It's a question that we'll do this. Anyway, we'll be talking with Kevin McCabe in Hour 2 this morning as we continue on this beautiful Blustery Monday. Okay, so first things first.
I guess we should make some announcements. Down here on the Kenai Peninsula, we're seeing some closures, some school closures and delays. The Kenai Peninsula Borough announced two schools will be closed today and 17 others will be on a two hour delay, according to the school district. Both the Cooper Landing School and the Hope School will both be closed, according to the district. And not really surprising if you saw the pictures. I was watching the pictures on Facebook this weekend.
from the folks uh it's it's kind of when you move to a new place you're trying to kind of get a feel for you know everything that happens and what's going on in the community. And so I joined a handful of Facebook groups that talk about, you know, life in Homer and life on the peninsula and the highway reports and everything else. And you discover that people a lot of times are like, you know, OK, so what's the road look like between here and Anchorage? Because obviously, you know.
Anchorage is the next major city with like a Costco and everything, right? So I was watching on Saturday and Sunday the highway, the Seward Highway report. And holy cow, man, the pictures that were coming out of Hope. uh which is that area right where the turning an arm makes that turn you know you come around the edge of the of the inlet and you come back around
I mean, holy cow, snow up to the bottom of the car. I mean, it was like, it was crazy. They were also doing avalanche mitigation, apparently. in the pass there in that area. And so the cars and the highway was stopped for on and off for hours at a time. As people were trying to make it through there, they were definitely recommending that if you don't, don't try to head to Anchorage yesterday or Saturday or Sunday.
because it was thick on the ground there. So no surprise that both Cooper Landing School and the Hope School will be closed. The other 17 schools will be on a two-hour delay. So according to the district, bus pickup times will also be two hours later than normal. They've canceled the a.m. and p.m. sessions for the special education and for pre-K.
The Aurora Boyalus Kaleidoscope, K Beach Elementary, Kenai Alternative, Kenai Central High, Kenai Middle School, Mountain View Elementary, Nikiski Middle School. Middle senior, rather, Nikiski North Star Elementary, Redoubt Elementary, River City Elementary, Skyview Middle School. Soldotna Elementary and High School, the Montessori Charter School, Sterling Elementary and Tustamina Elementary School. These are all on a two hour delay.
with, uh, excuse me, both, uh, Cooper Landing and Hope Schools being closed. And they tell the parents, if you don't think it's safe for your children to travel to school, then you can call the school and let them know they will be absent and the absence will be excused. So that's the big. That's the big announcement this morning in the Kenai Peninsula area. I couldn't find anything else.
In any other areas, this is the only place that it slowed down. But man, it was a crazy, crazy weekend with buffeting windstorms and rain. There's been flooding as well. It was so much flooding down in Seward that the Lowell Point Road... had another landslide remember that they had a landslide i think it was back in the summer or in the spring uh seward also had a landslide it's been cleared since then but uh about uh about midday yesterday
There was a landslide blocking Lowell Point Road there, and they've gotten it cleaned up. Winds racing around, airplanes flipped over at Merrill Field. There was a roof ripped off a house in Anchorage out on Muldoon. Winds were gusting just crazily. So we're going to get through all that and we'll talk about that as well. Um, as well, oh, as there's also a backcountry avalanche warning. There's a lot of stuff going on. Backcountry avalanche warning, um, into effect until this morning.
The Chugas National Forest Avalanche Information Center issued the warning saying that the avalanche danger is high, and it was in effect from yesterday through today. And it covers the western Chugach, the Kenai Mountains, including Girdwood, Portage, Turnigan Pass, Moose Pass, Summit Lake, Lost Lake, and Seward. So lots of stuff happening down on the peninsula. I was looking at Fairbanks and Fairbanks is relatively quiet this morning.
Just, you know, except for, I guess, the wild swings in temperature from 33 below to somebody said, what was it, 22 above or something? Last week. So, I mean, it's a... It's an interesting time to be in Alaska right now. If you don't like the weather, wait 15 minutes. It'll change. It'll absolutely change.
All right. So that's kind of the brief rundown of some of the big highlights and everything else. We'll get into this more here in just a minute and to some of the effects that were going on. I will say that up here. Um, at the house, it was funny because it was, uh, Saturday night, uh, Saturday night. The wind started, um, the wind started earlier on Saturday and, uh, I was in my studio here at the house. And I was was getting late on Saturday night. I'd forgotten to do something. And so I was.
in the studio here working on something and you could just hear the wind hitting and this room is pretty quiet obviously being a studio i tried to make it as quiet as possible But you could just hear the wind hitting the side of the building. And at one point, my monitor, this big monitor in front of me.
Uh, one of a couple, three, four or five that I have here in front of me. And all of a sudden the monitor was like shaking. You could see it was rattling the house. That's how, that's how, that's how high the winds were. Um, and, uh, just crazy, crazy stuff.
Definitely make you question, do you really want to let the dogs outside or are they going to zip? You know, there goes Toto up into the air. I was looking for I was looking for witches and houses in the air earlier this weekend as we go through. All right. I think that brings us up to where we want to get started on a recap of some of the things that were going on.
around the state and some of the big news. Oh, we also got a quick notice on that discussion, which we'll probably get into in the next segment. The Alaska Gas Line Authority, the Alaska AGDC, Alaska Gas Line Development, anyway. They announced that they had a silent partner or an unknown player. Well, that didn't last too long because it was immediately released that it was a group called the Glenn Farn Group were the ones that were... agreeing to build the uh alaska gas line project and um
I had never heard of it, but I thought, well, let's just take it. Anyway, Suzanne Downing over at Must Read Alaska actually has a really in-depth article, which I don't think we're going to have time to get into the whole thing today. But it goes through who the Glenn Farn Group is and what their history is. And do they have the actual backing to be able to pull off a 40...
$4 billion project. And interestingly enough, it turns out that they are. They're not a household name like ConocoPhillips or Exxon. But they're not a small player in the energy industry. And I'm sure Brad Keithley, when we get to the weekly top three tomorrow, we'll have more to say about that. He probably has a lot more insight into who the Glenn Farn Group is and everything else.
But it is an interesting article over at Must Read that goes into the history of this. And if you haven't taken a look at it here, you can... uh you could take a look at interestingly enough there's also some ties apparently to hunter biden which uh which uh uh anyway It's an interesting thing. You should go check it out. I posted links up in the chat room if you want to take a look at that as well.
All right, well, let's get into the weekend recap and then we'll start taking a look at the bills that have been pre-filed and the questions that those bills raise. There are a lot of questions that, but again, the predominant question, I think the theme for this year's session is who pays, who pays for all this? We'll find out here in just a moment. Don't go anywhere. The Michael Duke Show. Common Sense. Liberty-based. Free Thinking Radio. We'll return with more in just a moment.
If you missed the show, you can listen to it on your time with Duke's On Demand. Oh, and it's free. Like America used to be. Streaming live every weekday morning on Facebook Live and MichaelDukesShow.com. Okay, fine. How are you guys doing? How are you guys doing? What's happening in your world, huh? What do you feel like? What be the haps? It's been a crazy weekend. It was really kind of a crazy weekend.
I, um, I actually, uh, I actually, uh, took a good chunk of, I did do some work yesterday. I mean, I know I said I was talking about taking a Sunday off, but you know. I guess, you know, when you're self-employed, 100% self-employed, you know, you just do the work whenever you can. But I did take a big chunk of yesterday off and relaxed a bit and hung out. But, man.
It's the wind just blowing from all sides of the house. It was blowing. We had rain blowing on the windows on one side and then rain on the other and then rain on the other end. And it was just like this swirling vortex of rain everywhere. It was, it was crazy, buddy. Crazy. That's for sure. Um, all right. Well, let's, uh, let's see what do I got here? Uh, let's do that right there.
uh no let's do that right there i'm sorry i'm no too late i messed it up okay um all right well let me clear that right there well we'll do that all right um Joel says, the weather didn't stop the homeless from pillaging my dumpsters. No, that's true. That's true. They're pretty crazy. Yeah, and the California fires. Boy, every time I see a new picture of that, it is apocalyptic. I mean, there's just no two ways about it. 12,000 structures burned down.
I mean, houses, businesses, you know, community centers, just everything. And then did you see the video that's been circulating on the internet from the chief of, was it the chief of the fire department? Sorry, the fire department chief. They. the, the, the DEI inspired, uh, fire department chief where the, what she says, deputy chief, I guess I should say, I shouldn't elevate her. um the deputy chief who says if you need to be rescued it's your fault because you're in the wrong place you know
She she's heard, you know, because and of course it's part of it's because, you know, they she wants to be proud because she's a woman. She's a she's a gay woman. She's a Latino gay woman. And then rhetorically asked the answer and criticism that she's heard from, you know, women shouldn't be firefighters, I guess, because you couldn't carry out my husband in a fire. To which she says in the video, my response is he got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.
But nobody plans to be in a fire. I mean, that's why you're supposed to have, that's why firefighters exist is to help. Nobody plans. You didn't try and get your, I mean, my house is on fire. You got yourself in the wrong place. I mean, this video is making the rounds and people are losing their minds over it. It's just it's madness, man. There's going to be.
Um, I think there's going to be definitely be some repercussions, uh, in California over this whole thing. And, uh, it'll be interesting to watch. Let's just put it that way. Be interesting to watch how that all plays out. All right, let me get the beard is growing well. The beard is getting a trim today. Everything's getting a trim today. I haven't had a haircut in like three months and it's starting to drive me a little crazy.
All right. Every Chris says every window in my house was drenched. Yeah. Yeah. What? Oregon sent down 60 fire trucks to assist, but they won't let them in until they pass emissions tests. Tell me that's some sarcasm there, Bill. Because I heard that they were sending down trucks. I mean, I think Gavin Newsom announced they were sending down trucks. He didn't say anything about emissions tests. If that's the case, I mean, mind blown at this point, if that's the actual case. But, yeah.
Oof. Oof. Oh, it was 40 degrees the last 24 hours? Public enema number one. Oh, wait, sorry. uh, enemy, public enemy number one, which makes more sense. On the other hand, he's a little bit of a pain in the, uh, Michael Duke show. All right. Welcome back to the program. Hour one of the Michael Duke Show continues. I stand corrected. Anthony said, because I thought it had gotten up into the 20s and 30s. No, no, apparently it's been 40 degrees above 40 degrees for the last 24 hours in Fairbanks.
Oh, that'll make a mess. As soon as the warm weather dies down and it'll freeze back up and it will become the professionally maintained hockey rink. This weather, man, it is just something else going on. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy with what's going on. All right, well, let's do a quick recap of what was going on around the state. I mean, it was pretty...
Crazy thousands of people in the Anchorage of the Mat-Su and parts of the Kenai Peninsula were without power on and off all throughout the weekend. As a powerful storm battered the region with high winds and rains, gusts of more than 100 miles per hour were reported in some elevations. People continue cleaning up debris and downed trees. As of 930 p.m. last night, Chugach Electric reported scattered outages from about 8000 people.
From East Anchorage all the way down to Girdwood, Matsu Electric, MEA, reported about 4,000 customers without power, mostly in Eagle River and Peters Creek, but also in Susitna and Matsu. The winds pounded the whole region overnight and early Sunday. Locations in the city recorded gusts up to 60 miles per hour. Gusts of more than 100 miles per hour were recorded at Bear Valley and Arctic Valley on the hillside. And up at Girdwood, 117 miles an hour winds gusting up in Girdwood.
no skiing for you today no no no you imagine you hit a mogul and then you're like I believe I can fly I mean just crazy of course then the rain hit And you had melting snow above freezing temperatures, and that created some serious flooding. Down here on the peninsula near Homer, the Anchor Point River had overflowed and was running down the roadway down toward... towards Fritz Creek as well. There was water out on the roadway. Many areas flooded.
in various parts of the state. There's a flood advisory in effect for parts of the Matsu and eastern Kenai Peninsula through today. They, let's see, combined frozen ground. This is from the Weather Service. Moderate to heavy rain has fallen in the lower elevations of the Mat-Su down through the southern Kenai Peninsula overnight and Sunday.
This combined with frozen ground is causing ponding and localized flooding along roads and low-lying areas. Localized flooding has been reported in Palmer, areas of Anchorage, and near the Seward Harbor. Small streams in the area are also experiencing mitre flooding with ice still intact in many areas. None of the large rivers were expected to see this. But boy, gee, howdy.
Strong winds. There's actually video, I think it was KTUU, I think has a video of this, of a house in the Muldoon area of eastern Anchorage. It was a nice looking two-story house and it got caught on security camera. The wind was just ripping through there and it ripped half the roof off the house and slammed it into the neighbor's house. I mean, it was there was some serious, serious gusting going on. And of course, we saw the we saw a lot of that results across most of the state.
uh as well all of downtown palmer looked like it was flooded a big chunk of the downtown area including the train depot parking lot and every place else was flooded out and then as i mentioned earlier you've got that avalanche warning So it's just nothing but the weather apocalypse. Pay no attention to what's going on here. Nothing but the weather apocalypse. Don't worry about it. Oh, and then finally, to add insult to injury, early morning on Sunday, that big, long pedestrian walkway.
The bridge that covers the Seward Highway, as you come into Anchorage from the south, as you come in through Potter's Marsh there and you go up that hill, well, that collapsed. The whole top of the bridge, not the place where you actually walk, not the girder and everything else, but the superstructure up on top of it. got ripped off the top of the bridge and crashed down on the highway at about two 30 in the morning, um, on Sunday morning. And, uh, it was just like,
What? Luckily, there was only one vehicle that was driving on the highway when the whole thing came down. And they did apparently slide into the debris, but it was just a minor impact. They weren't crushing it. But yeah, it closed down the highway for three or four hours. hours as the dot crews are out there trying to uh trying to peel it apart it was i mean this was a this is a superstructure that was made of uh of uh steel
Uh, the, the, the whole framework was steel with, with the wire fencing and everything else. And then a, uh, and then a, uh, a timber roof, it ripped the whole thing off all the way through.
You can't say we don't live in interesting times. That's for sure. You can't say we don't live there. So that was kind of the recap of the... weekend weather apocalypse uh as we go through uh between that and the school closures and everything else i think you guys are now all up to date but uh kudos to the local news outlets for running
live blogs and everything else showing all this stuff i mean you would have no idea um without all that information lots of you can go check it out all right what else we got here oh we were talking about uh, the Glenn Farn group. Um, I'll give you a quick tour. We won't be able to get into this deeply because, uh, We just don't have enough time. And Suzanne Downing over at Must Read has got a very in-depth article on this.
And, you know, I want to kind of give you a but I will give you a thumbnail since, you know, again, I've been very skeptical. about whether or not somebody would think this is economical. And quite honestly, I'm still a little skeptical as to how do you make, you know, because even if, you know, the Glenn Farm Group seems to be, I guess, a legit...
legit organization with some backing, with some money. But the question remains, you don't do something for nothing, especially if you're an investment capital kind of company. That's not what you do. So how do you plan on making money in this thing? The Glenn Farn Group, started in 2011 by Australian Brendan Duvall, is somewhat of a corporate conglomerate.
Working in several energy and capital raising directions, including oil, gas, hydropower and wind farms. But at its core, it raises money for big projects in energy. It has offices down in Manhattan and around the world. Although, like I said, it's not a household name like ConocoPhillips or Exxon. It's not a small player in the energy sector. It's just a different type of player.
The company owns the Texas LNG project through Glenfarn Energy Transitions, which has a heads of agreement for a long-term supply of liquefied natural gas from a proposed facility in the port of Brownsville. The subsidiary is the same subset of Glen Farm that has the heads of agreement with the Alaska LNG project. And it's got a handful of different subsidiaries around the world.
that have to all have to do with different energy projects. Enfragen, Alder Midstream, Glen Farm Energy Transition, Prime Energia as well. And it goes on to talk a little bit about the type of company it is and everything else. One of the more interesting things, though, it is is that Glenfarn has been part of different projects. with China. It says, in other projects Glen Farm has been part of, China has factored in as a partner, but not always directly.
According to energy writers Jason Powers, who publishes a Substack newsletter focusing on big energy and pharmaceutical deals, Hunter Biden factors into this world of LNG, and not only with the Burisma project in Ukraine, where he served as the board of the directors, Hunter Biden's game involves U.S. LNG projects like Texas LNG.
and Magnolia, which was one of those projects that we were talking about earlier from Texas. These projects are still very hot and moving forward under Glen Farm Energy Transitions ownership.
So there's some ties, there's some weird ties in there as well. But I think the bottom line on this is that they are a real player. So there might actually be something to this now again the question that i have for this whole thing let me just start start from the very beginning the question that i have on this whole thing is okay so they do have the money to do the project
well how do they get paid how do they make the money back on this project after they build it out and subsidize it because according to I mean, again, even the rosiest estimates from Woods McKenzie with an 80% subsidy, it's still not even competitive with current LNG prices. That's an 80% subsidy. So, I mean, they may be looking at it, they may have committed to it, but I mean, what exactly have they committed to, I guess, is the question.
And what does, you know, how does this whole, how do they end up getting paid on this whole thing? So, I mean, I want, again, don't get me wrong. I want Alaska gas to get to market. I want to be able to have access to Alaska gas as an Alaskan. But I also understand that, hey, we've got to, you know, we've got to. it's got to make sense financially for them to be able to do it. So how do we do it? How do they, how do they make that money?
And I haven't seen anything right now that assuages those fears at all. So Glenn Fart. Not a fly-by-night. I mean, I had never heard of it. But again, I'm not hip-deep in oil, gas, and energy projects either. So this was a...
This is a good piece by Suzanne Downing. If you want to go back and read it again, I posted links up in the chat room. You can go to Must Read Alaska and it's up there at the top of the page right now. A quick tour around the network of Glenn Farn is the title of the article. And it gives you a little bit of a background on what's going on and what you should be looking for. All right. Up next, we've got more coming up, including the latest on these 89.
89 bills and five constitutional amendments. That's what's coming ahead here. They're going to tell us it's going to tell us all about what's going on in the upcoming legislature and what their priorities are. There's a lot of them, a lot of them. We'll be back with more of The Michael Duke Show. Common Sense, Liberty-based, free-thinking radio. Kevin McCabe up in hour two. Don't go anywhere. Back with more right after this.
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Anthony says, being pulled from a burning building? Check your privilege and toxic masculinity, bro. Oh, man. That is satirically funny. It's not true. Wow. Ted Sims says, no, it's true. And he's talking about the fire trucks being turned away. 60 from Arizona were turned back because they didn't pass emissions. I mean, come on, that can't really be a thing.
Some bureaucrat could be sitting at the border saying, no, I'm sorry, you can't bring these in to fight fires when there's 150,000 people displaced and 12,000 buildings have burned down because these buildings don't pass emissions. you can't tell me that's a real thing. You can't tell me that's a real, you can't tell me that's a real thing. Chim says my beard is looking great. Everybody's complimenting the beard today. I don't know. I didn't do anything different. Just, you know. All right.
Kevin McCabe's in the chat room already. He says, kudos to the MEA linemen. What an amazing group of men and women. I can hardly walk in my driveway and they're out in all the back roads and side streets in the Mat-Su working to repair electrical lines. Yeah, it's true, you know. Let's see. Okay. Come on through here. Come on through here. Go look through the, Brian says, go look through the bios of the Glenn Farn principles.
The corpse speak is insane. Oh, that should be interesting. It's all chat GPT. Somebody rewrote it with chat GPT. Is that what happened? All right. The Michael Duke Show. This is Week Sears over on Rumble. Just said there was many, but Sterling Elementary is on a two-hour delay. Oh, the schools that were on delay? Yeah, the schools that were on delay. Cooper Landing and Hope School are closed.
Everything else is on a two-hour delay. Aurora, Kaleidoscope, K-Beach, Kenai Alternative, Kenai Central High, Kenai Middle, Mountain View Elementary, Nikiski. Middle and Senior, Nikiski Elementary, Redoubt Elementary, River City Academy, Skyview Middle, Soldotna Elementary, Soldotna High, Soldotna Montessori, Charter, Sterling Elementary, and Tustamina. Those are all the...
Those are all on two hour delays. So there you go. Anthony said the only scenario in which the Alaska gas becomes profitable and sustainable if we dissolve the EPA and their volumes of ridiculous regulations. and sink a metric crap ton of money to build up the infrastructure to support it. We gotta go all in.
Is it possible, says Chris on YouTube, that Glenn Farm has a legitimate plan to make money and all of the previous feasibility studies were just fake news to politic for more subsidies? I mean. Possible, I guess. We'll just have to see. Okay. Anthony also says, are we accepting that the emissions of a vehicle are somehow going to be worse than, I don't know, 12,000 structure fires? I know, really. Crazy.
Gary says no trucks from Oregon were turned away from fighting the California fires. I don't know. It's just, you know, one of those things. The ASD is closed. The Anchorage School District is closed today. Is that what you're saying? I did not get notification of that, if that's the case. Yeah, 40 degrees in Fairbanks in January.
after it was what 33 below last week and now it's 40 i mean a 70 degree temperature swing in just a handful of days and then you know it's going to drop the hammer on you Oh, those poor boiler systems up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down. It's just crazy. Ask the EPA for a waiver for the pipeline. They might do it with a new administration. Oh, that would be immediately challenged in court. I could just see the court battles already on this one. I could see it happening already.
All right, we're 20 seconds out. We're getting ready to rejoin here. We're going to take a look at what's coming up on the docket for this next legislative session. And then we're going to be joined by Kevin McCabe in hour two. You guys all ready? You ready? Should we dive into it? Should we make it happen? The Michael Duke Show, Common Sense Radio. The Michael Duke Show, proudly splitting the left versus right.
Dichotomy? Yeah, I had to look that word up too. I don't think it means what he thinks it means. There he is though. That guy. Michael Dukes. The one with the show. Okay, welcome back to the program. Thanks for coming in. Just got notification as well that the Anchorage School District has closed all schools today. I'm just verifying, but three people in the chat room are quoting it.
So I just want to make sure that it's all right. But they're saying right now that due to power outages and all the weather and everything else. that uh all schools are i'm just verifying it i i just hate i don't want to i don't want to send people into a tailspin in case yep the districts are closed all asd schools will be closed on monday
All after-school activities and rentals are canceled. They have schools without power, dangerous and unsafe parking lots due to the extreme weather conditions. and maintenance issues at the school. So all the schools are closed in the Anchorage area as well today. No word from the, I guess I should, I should, I guess I should.
Check out the Mat-Su School District, too, just to make sure since they're, you know, doing their thing as well. But it looks like as of right now, it looks like right now. No, that's not the actual school district Facebook page. I was looking for the... School District Facebook page. And there we go. Here's the official Facebook page. That was just a group. Nope, they just got a weather alert. They do have some schools that are closed.
It looks like the Sioux Valley Junior Senior High School, Talkeaton Elementary, Trapper Creek Elementary, and Willow Elementary are all closed due to icy conditions with standing water. And the Glacier View School. has got a two-hour delayed start today. So they're going to let us know. But all of Anchorage is all closed.
and at least a couple schools in the Mat-Su district as well. So thank you to the chat room for keeping me up to speed on that. Okay, what do we got as far as pre-filed bills? We got a bunch of them. Uh, we've got a bunch of, uh, uh, uh, pre-filed bills and, uh, some of them, you know, okay. They seem like they're, you know, they make sense. Others, um... Not so much, but the main theme that seems to be coming out of all this, the main question that I keep coming away with in all these is, okay.
Who pays? Right. That's that's that's the big question. Let's see that Republican George Rauscher from Sutton has a new proposed bill that would repeal rank choice voting. It will probably go nowhere. Separately, of course, there's already two groups working on ballot measures to try and repeal the rank choice voting system on the 2026 ballot. But this one has been put out there. Calvin Shregge.
is proposing a campaign contribution limit for Alaska elections after we've gone four years without one. And of course, that meant that there was just tons of money that got dumped into the last couple. couple election cycles in 2022 and 2024. But this is the first time we're seeing a concerted effort from a legislator to put something forward. It was discussed last year, but I don't think it ever went anywhere.
There's also a bill from Democratic Senator Bill Wilikowski proposing legislation that would push Alaska school districts to ban the use of cell phones by students in public schools. The Board of Education and the commissioner, Dina Bishop, have already said they would favor such a prohibition. Now, currently, Alaska allows for most of the policy decisions to be made by school districts, which.
I mean, that makes sense if you've got, you know, some areas have different needs than other areas. So it would seem to make sense that districts would be able to make some of those choices. uh willikowski's bill would give the districts leeway in determining their approaches to cell phone use i don't know what that means leeway if if it already allows most education policy decisions be made by the district then why is there need for a bill
Several states already require schools to limit cell phone use by students, including California, Indiana, and Virginia. Now, you know, does it work? I don't know. I don't know. Fairbanks Democrat Maxine Divert. Is it Divert or Divert? Somebody will have to tell me, but I thought it was Divert, but then I heard somebody pronounce it the other day, and now I'm unsure. Maxine Divert.
Introduced a bill that would ensure every public school student in the state gets access to free breakfast and lunch. Multiple states have already begun offering free school meals to all students regardless of income. During the COVID pandemic, Congress made meals free to public students, but many states, including Alaska, did not continue the subsidy once federal funding for it ran out. Because how much did it cost?
How much did it cost? A bill ensuring that every public school student gets access to free breakfast and lunch. Again, how does that... The legislature considered a free funding, free reduced price meals this year, this last year, but it was removed from the budget. Kathy Giesel. has proposed a bill that would remove the 90-day limit on legislative sessions. Now that was put into place by the people. That was a citizen's initiative that was put into place.
by the people of the state of alaska although the legislature i think is only i think they've hit it twice maybe three times and one of those was the covid pandemic when they were in and out like a duck mating right i mean it was like Instead, they've been using the constitutional limit, which is set to 121 days. Now, interestingly enough, Anchorage Democrat Matt Clayman, who is Kathy Giesel's.
Wingman in many, many things has a dueling proposal that would instead put the 90 day session limit into the Constitution. Because this is what they do. They've got the citizens initiative and the legislative, the statute that says you have to be done in 90 days. Well, they just ignore the statute and point to the Constitution where it says 121. And Clayman, interestingly enough, has said, well, OK, we'll just put it in the Constitution because then they have to abide by it.
Of course, the supporters of the initiative argue that shortening the session would save the state money and encourage a greater number of people to run for office because you'd only have to commit 90 days instead of 120 or more. Proponents say the shorter session says that productivity isn't lost. Proponents of the shorter session say that productivity isn't lost when lawmakers spend less time in Juneau. Others say they just we just couldn't do that.
We just couldn't get their work done in 121 days. Although we always see that last minute, you know, time compression used as a weapon, right? But it's there. But interesting that Kathy Giesel and Matt Klayman, who are so buddy-buddy in so many things, seem to be at odds on this one. Klayman also has a second constitutional amendment that would lower the threshold for repealing the governor's vetoes.
I mean, I'm not a fan at this point. I'm just not a fan. Under the Constitution, it takes three quarters of lawmakers, which is the highest threshold in the nation, to overturn the governor's vetoes. The threshold for other bills is two-third. Claimant's proposal said it would be to adopt a two-thirds threshold for veto overrides, regardless of whether they relate to the budget or not.
Let's see. Sitka Republican Bert Stedman introduced a bill to create a flood, Alaska flood authority in an effort to assure the availability of flood insurance to Alaskan property owners. Part of this came from the. The flooding that took place in Juneau when the glacial dam bust and everything else, a lot of those families apparently didn't have flood insurance through there. And I don't know if that's, you know.
Plus, I don't know if that was an oversight or just because it's not a flood area or what it was, but we'll see. Kevin McCabe, who we're going to speak to in the next hour, reintroduced a bill that he brought back in 2023 that allows gold and silver to be used as legal tender. We could talk about that here in this next segment as well. Dan Sadler from Eagle River, the Republican, has proposed to limit the number of state holidays to 12. There's 12 state holidays, which.
I mean, it's essentially two weeks worth of holidays on top of whatever your vacation is. That is after the legislature approved last year, Juneteenth, as the newest state holiday. If Sadler's proposal was to pass, lawmakers could only approve new holidays by getting rid of others. I mean, that seems like a good idea.
And then North Pole Republican Senator Rob Myers is proposing an expansion of Alaska's safe surrender law, which allows parents to surrender their infants and remain immune from prosecution. This proposal comes after. An infant who was dead was discovered outside of an Anchorage church in November. Meyer's proposal would allow parents to surrender infants in a safety device physically attached to exterior walls of medical facilities, law enforcement agencies, fire departments.
and other locations. Existing law allows parents to surrender their infants directly to individuals in law enforcement agencies, fire departments, or medical establishments. The first... They first adopted this law back in 2008, but according to the Daily News Review in 2013, the law had never been used in the first five years of its existence. And this is those safe abandonment laws if somebody's just, you know.
So, I mean, that's the first slew of laws. But of course, the biggie, the biggie that they saved for, well, first let me get to the ones for the peninsula here. Jesse Bjorkman. has sponsored three Senate bills, and Sarah Vance of Homer, Bjorkman of up in the Kenai in Nikiski, and Vance of Homer has sponsored one, so three and one. Bjorkman's bills seek to add an executive administrator to the Big Game Commercial Services Board, which operates under the Division of Corporations.
and would make certain veterans eligible for a lifetime permit to access state park campsites and parking for free, and defines a delivery network like those who work for DoorDash as private contractors who aren't covered by the... Workers' Compensation Act. This is the whole Lyft and Uber thing. He said he was also interested in revisiting a bill he introduced last session.
that would require the state to financially compensate Alaska hunters for game wrongfully seized by the Department of Fish and Game. Vance's bill would allow for school districts, the University of Alaska, and other governmental units to use group coverage insurance. She said that the creation of a consolidated group health care to tackle the rising costs was among her top priorities in the coming legislative session during her meeting with the Kenai Peninsula Borough School Board.
on December the 2nd. And this is the one where they're talking about consolidating all the various districts together and getting their health care all put together. We didn't talk about the big one, which is the pensions, but we're out of time. We'll discuss that here, I'm sure, in Hour 2. The Michael Duke Show, Common Sense Radio. Hour 2 and Kevin McCabe dead ahead.
Okay. Let's go, baby. Yeah, let's go, baby. Come on. What's happening? Um. back up here to see what you guys have been talking about um all right scroll backward here a little bit here just to see where you guys were at Thanks for all the heads up on that school districts, guys. Thank you so much. Did I hear about the three bears being built in North Pole? Yes, I did. Yes, I did.
Let's see. All schools are open in Wasilla, says Melody, except for the two that I mentioned. And the ones in Talkeetna. The trucks being turned away from failing a mission story made a 60-40 mix of blood and coffee shoot for my eyes due to the pure and unrepentant stupidity of people. These fools literally have no water to stop the state from burning as some neoliberal ultra-wool KP was worrying about a carbon footprint of a truck that would save lives. Oh, man.
Okay. Who pays? Who pays? Bill says he just emailed me. Something on the, I'm sure it's on the thing here. Let me look. Should launch my email at the beginning of the show, shouldn't I? If I was a good radio host, I'd do that. Oh, I don't see it yet. Okay. I'll keep it. I'll keep an eye out for it, Bill. I don't see it yet. Okay. Over here. Alright, I'm scrolling through here.
We survived without cell phones. I'm sure these little darlings will survive also, says TR. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not saying that they won't survive. I just thought it was interesting that... The school districts already have a lot of latitude. I don't know why the state needs to get involved. donna says the only leeway i see in willikowski's cell phone schools bill is for emergencies okay i mean you know um let's see Make the kids use landlines. Okay.
Dara Gold sells more butter than other milk producers by removing all the milk fat from chocolate milk and 1%. What? What? I don't know what Kathleen's talking about there. Anthony said, I'm just going to say the quiet part out loud. When we start building drive-thrus to abandon babies, like some kind of twisted DoorDash program, society doesn't have a lot of time left. I mean, you're not wrong.
You're not wrong on that. Where did hour one go? I know. Really? It is the fastest hour in radio. That's for sure. All right. Let's check in with Kevin here real quick. He's in the chat room. Let's check in with him and see if his. make sure his audio is all good and everything else and we'll get him squared away and uh and look at him wow we're just we're feeling good hey kevin how you doing
Uh-oh. Good morning, sir. How are you? Good, good. Okay. Let's make it sure for a second there. I was a little panicked. You all ready to go? Of course. Okay. You ready for a week from tomorrow? Are you already geared up and ready to go? oh is it already a week from tomorrow wow yeah i mean it is yeah right the 21st right that's the that's the day so yay
Yeah, he's so excited. So excited. So excited. All right. Well, hold on. Hold the line, my friend. We'll be right back to you. Yeah, we'll be we'll be back to you here in just a second. OK. Cindy said school health care should have been consolidated years ago. They tried and people lost their minds. Again, why do we need a bill for this? Well, I mean, that's a great question.
Cindy, I mean, this was the question. Why did they lose their minds? Were they afraid they were going to, you know, the problem is, is that they said that the estimates were, I want to say, it was going to save something like $50 million. Right. Fifty to one hundred million dollars in savings if they consolidated the school, the school health care systems. Why have we been dragging our feet on it? Why, you know.
Why have we been dragging our feet on this? I have no idea. Absolutely no idea. It's crazy. All right. Oh, Kathleen was saying the thing about the milk thing was because free school lunches and breakfast cost too much. Daragold's making a buck on this. Well, I mean, you know, somebody's going to make a buck. But again, the biggest question on that is who pays?
Who pays for all that stuff, right? I mean, if they consolidate a healthcare, I guess they'd have $50 million they could spend on free school lunches. That's the whole thing. If you just, just do that right there. All right, we've got to go. We're going to be back in just a moment. The Michael Duke Show, Common Sense Radio. We haven't gone anywhere. I don't understand. Check out themichaeldukesshow.com for information on how to get access to the podcast. Welcome to the party, pal.
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The Michael Dukes Show, streaming live across the world. And live around the world on the internet at michaeldukeshow.com and across the state of Alaska on this, your favorite radio station and or FM translator. Hello, my friends. Good morning to you. Hour two of the big radio show. We just spent the first hour going over a bunch of stuff, including all the wild and woolly weather that's going on. If you're just joining us and you've got kids in school, just a quick point.
The Anchorage School District, all schools are closed in Anchorage today. All schools are closed. In the Mat-Su, only District 6 up in the Talkeetna area is closed, but they have a couple more schools that have a two-hour delay. You might want to check the Matanuska School District page on Facebook for that one. here on the Kenai Peninsula.
Two of the schools are closed, the Cooper Landing School and the Hope School. And then a bunch of other schools are on two-hour delay. The Aurora, the Kaleidoscope Charter, K-Beach Elementary, Kenai Alternative, Central High, Middle School. Mountain View Elementary, Nikiski Middle and Senior High, North Star Elementary, Redoubt, River City Academy, Skyview Middle, Soldotna Elementary, Soldotna High, Soldotna Montessori Charter, Sterling Elementary.
and Tustamina Elementary are all on two-hour delay due to weather impacts and everything else. So that's the first things first. And also there is a... A backcountry avalanche warning if you are in the Girdwood, Portage, Turnigan Pass, Moose Pass, Summit Lake, Lost Lake, or Seward.
That is going on through this morning. There's an avalanche warning. So just be cautious of what's going on out there. So it's just some of the things we touched on in our one, as well as all the legislative stuff that's coming up. With all the new pre-filed bills, we didn't get to the biggest one, but we're going to talk about that here in a second. Our guest this hour is State Representative Kevin McCabe from out in Big Lake, my former representative.
who joins us this morning to discuss this and his bill. He's got a brand new pre-filed bill that is... It's a refile of last session when he had what for gold and silver for legal tender. We'll talk about that and the other bills. And he joins us here this morning to discuss it. Hello, my friend. How are you this morning?
Good morning, Michael. How are you? You know, just another beautiful day and we're still here. I mean, the house didn't blow away. I said earlier I was looking for witches and little dogs to fly through the air this weekend. There was a lot of wind going on out there. Oh, it's crazy. I saw something Senator Schauer posted about a hilltop Seattle Ridge area. So that must be by Hope somewhere. 164 knots or 164 miles an hour.
max gust wow yeah they said they had 117 mile an hour winds up on aliaska over the weekend and 100 mile an hour winds and hillside outside of Anchorage so yeah I mean it's it was it was it was gusty all over the state I guess Fairbanks is 40 degrees and I mean it's just it's And, of course, these Chinook winds, they blow in a circle, so you're getting wind from every direction. Anyway, it's a—
It's a it's crazy time. And of course, lots of people without power and the power company guys are out there working in all this all across the state. And so it's it's just been a crazy time. But on Friday. We got a big look at all the bills that are being pre-filed. This is the first batch, right? Because on Friday, this coming Friday.
will be the second batch of bills. And we went through a lot of them. I guess the major question that keeps coming back to me is, you know, as I look through these bills. And it really isn't any surprise because the election, you know, at the election time, everybody was promising everyone everything, you know, a chicken in every pot, a moose in every oven.
You know, whatever it was. But my big question, of course, becomes who pays. So we'll get into that here in just a bit. But you did pre-file again your bill on your gold and silver as currency. bill, which is a refile from last year. Let's talk a little bit about that. What exactly does this bill do? What was the genesis of it? And how does it help us? Let's get started there.
Sure. Well, the genesis of it was a constituent that came to me and said, hey, you know, I believe that the goldback is not a place to store any value. I mean, sorry, the greenback is not a place to store value in. in your money. So if you make excess money and you're not spending it and you want to store value, where do you put it? If you put it in the bank, you're going to lose money. The banks don't pay enough interest to cover inflation.
So what do you do? Do you buy artwork or do you buy... gold and silver or or that sort of thing or do you buy land you have to find a place to store the value of your money if you are saving for hard times and this is just one way of doing it without without it being taxed so um I'll tell you, there is a guy right now in Wasilla that is selling goldbacks. And that is called, those are what are known in the bill as specie, which means that they have gold.
in them i think you can also buy a silver back if you're interested although they're not as popular but you can buy a gold back it actually has gold in it so it's gold um it meets the requirements of the constitution as gold or silver for legal tender the value of the gold is listed on it just like the constitution says and the uh and the quality of it so um is listed on it
And you're talking about a bill that you're talking about a physical bill that actually has gold, like gold thread or gold fiber woven into it. It actually has gold in it. Yeah. And it's actually I have one somewhere.
maybe i'll get it on the break and and show folks but um you can actually see it in this uh well if you go there's a facebook page called alaska goldback it has a bunch of information has a bunch of mice stuff on there that i've been on the guy started that and he started carrying these goldbacks in wasilla um so if you're interested in in going in there and looking at them problem is when you go in there to buy them you get taxed on them
And if you think of it, if a business said, hey, we have new $50 bills, we will sell to the public. and you went in there and you brought five $10 bills to trade for a $50 bill, you wouldn't pay the Wasilla City tax on that $50 bill on that transaction. Well, in this case, you have to because the goldback is considered a commodity and gold and silver is considered a commodity. We don't want to do that. We want to get back to where gold and silver are strictly.
used for legal tender so you can trade a greenback of whatever value at this point i think a gold back is worth five dollars and 45 cents for a $1 goldback, you can trade them even across without paying a Wasilla city tax. Interesting. Interesting. And so essentially this bill, what makes it so that they are legal? I mean, are they legal tender now or are they they're just they're going to be legal tender? What's the what's the skinny here? So they are.
You can use them as legal tender, but it's more of a barter. So you're bartering this gold note for goods if the merchant decides to accept it. There's some question if you give a merchant money and he gives you... the goods for it so you pay you say you pay for a bottle of wine with the gold back and the merchant agrees to accept it there is some question if somebody comes in and buys a bottle of wine with greenbacks and says
i'd like a gold back as my change uh there is some question if the customer would then have to pay tax on the gold back as well so um This bill seeks to do away with any question on whether or not the Goldback is taxable. is essentially what it is. And it just gets us to the US Constitution that says the states cannot coin money, but they can use gold and silver as legal tender.
provided they meet the requirements which are um you know listing the amount of gold and that sort of thing on there so right um so this just basically gives
What you're saying is this just gives legal clarification for something that's already happening legally, right? I mean, that's what's going on right now. Right. And prevents the levying of attacks on the... gold and silver so um not that big a deal when you're just trading a one dollar gold back which is worth five dollars and 45 cents because of the gold in it um
But if you were trading gold nuggets, say, not nuggets, I'm sorry, it has to meet the requirements. So it has to have the refinement as well as the... you know the assing so 0.999 percent gold as well as the weight on it um so like a double eagle or a golden eagle um or a uh what do they call them the in canada the loonies or the uh the gold uh the maple maple leaves yeah maple leaf yeah that's right cougar and cougar yeah exactly
Well, I mean, it's an interesting bill. What have been the objections to it? I mean, obviously it didn't go anywhere. You introduced this bill in 2023 and it really didn't get any traction. um very much traction anyway so what what what is the what's the hesitation if it's already happening if it's if it's already the transactions are already going on and this just clarifies it for the law then what's the problem
Right, it made it, so I introduced it, I introduced it both sessions, both my previous sessions as well. The first session in 2020, it didn't go anywhere. Last session it passed the house and it made it all the way to... uh state affairs senate state affairs and got hung up there for two and a half months and by the time it got out of senate state affairs it was too late to hear it in senate finance so it never made it past there
so the hang-up essentially comes from alaska municipal league they are concerned that it is going to anytime you try to take away um taxes money from the cities that are members of the Alaska Municipal League, they get concerned. Even though we... we did all the analysis initially the alaska municipal league the director told me that it was going to cost i think five million dollars in taxes cost the cities five million dollars in taxes and i asked them to show me where that came from and
We finally proved that it would be less than $27,000 in the state of Alaska that it would cost globally or throughout the state. Statewide, right. right and and not only that you can't really parse it out i mean many places we called many of the cities we called said well that's proprietary information many of the cities we called said well we're not going to be able to tell the difference between
the tax on a goldback and the tax on a little stuffed bunny. They just don't get that granular with their tax reporting from the businesses. So we use data from other states. And we figured out exactly what we thought it would cost in the state. It's still a little bit of a cost, but we think that the... increased churn and the increased ability of Alaskans to store value and spend value in the state of Alaska would far offset.
the small loss in taxes. Well, I mean, at $27,000 across the state of Alaska is a de minimis amount. I mean, I can't even imagine. I mean, even quite honestly, even $5 million overall is still pretty small. in terms of overall tax take from the various municipalities and communities around the state. So it would seem like this.
is a no-brainer um what are your chances you think kevin i mean is this uh i know the alaska municipal league has got deep pockets and and a lot of influence a lot of sway in there what do you think is going to happen this year with your bill Yeah, well, that's a good question. You know, there was enough interest in it last year from last year's minority members from Democrats that I think we stand a pretty good shot. And so we're going to give it a try.
folks are interested there's a lot of data online soundmoney.org is soundmoneydefense.org The guys from there have come up three or four times to testify at the drop of a hat to testify in front of the committee for us. Kevin Freeman, the... What's his thing called? Pirate Money. The Pirate Money guy that has the...
Oh, I can't even remember the name of his website, but he's got a website as well. If you look up Pirate Money, you'll see his website. There are big supporters of it. Texas is running this bill again. I think... I think now there's like 20 states. When we first started, there was only about seven states that had done this, and now there's 20 states that have done this. Florida will be the next one to actually issue the currency.
And I think it comes out like this month sometime. And it's the currency is really, really amazing, really beautiful. So we'll see. Kevin Freeman's website is called the Economic War Room. The economic war room. OK. All right. Well, we'll check it out. I mean, I've been a fan of this for many, many years. I always thought that this made sense, especially since it was constitutional and and, you know, it gave people an alternative.
to, of course, the greenback, which has no intrinsic value. And I'm interested to see... I'm interested to see where things go from here. Kevin McCabe is our guest. We're going to continue here in just a moment. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back with more. We're going to talk more about the... legislative session, where we go from here, what things look like. We will return in just a moment. The Michael Duke show common sense, Liberty based free thinking radio.
Running on 100% pure beard power. Oh, also some coffee. We dip our beard in coffee. Ha, nice beard. The Michael Duke Show. Okay, we're in the break right now. Kevin just held up the gold back there. That is beautiful. And that's actually made with gold in it, obviously. It's not just fancy printing. uh that's one two hundredth of a troy ounce of gold is what it says there at the bottom right kevin oh i i muted you hold on a second here what was that does it say this one says
One one thousandth. One one thousandth. Oh, OK. One one thousandth of a troy ounce of gold at the bottom. The picture I was looking at earlier must have been a five dollar bill or five dollar gold back or whatever. But yeah, no, that's that's interesting. This is a 50. You can see it has to be bigger because it has to hold more gold, but this is 1 20th of an ounce. Thicker.
yeah bigger so interesting it's it's it's interesting i mean i would love to see people have that opportunity to uh um to to use those and to do those um it looks it looks uh uh counterfeit proof i think is what frank's trying to say question mark question mark uh i would probably say so uh probably counterfeit proof yeah they say it has military grade counterfeit
proofing on it if you look up at goldback.com they have a whole under their frequently asked questions they have a whole section on counterfeiting and how that it's not counterfeit you know there are a couple of things just to kind of wrap up the the goldback thing um one of the questions that i always get from other legislators is well what about the banks how do you do it when you take it to the bank well you don't need a bank
the intrinsic value is there in the money anyways you don't need to give the money to a bank or trade it with a bank you just hold on to it and it is going to rise in value with the with the increase in gold you know It's the old story about back in the Old West, you could buy the finest suit in the United States for a $20 gold piece, right? Well, now you can buy the finest suit in the United States for a $20 gold piece. You know, it has followed.
You know, everything has kind of followed, but it would take a lot of dollars to do the same thing, right? The dollar hasn't followed. So the value stays in the money. You don't need to put it in the bank. to safeguard it or an interest or anything like that. So you don't really need the banks, which is...
Probably some of the other pushback. That was one of the old checks. That was one of the old inflation check was to see, you know, if you could buy a $20 gold piece, could buy you a suit. It could buy you the nicest. pistol or rifle you could you know the average cow hand wages was uh was basically 30 a month in gold
And so if you're looking at the average wage today, you know, does it commensurate with it? I mean, you could see those things. The same $20 gold piece could still buy you the things that it bought back in the day. And that just shows a whole thing. um frank if you want to know what military military grade uh you can go look it up um at uh what did you say goldbacks.com what was the yep goldback.com goldback.com you can see um
Anthony says they're amazing. They're amazingly looking. They're amazing looking. But now I know I can't have them. If you see the disheveled state of some of the bills in my wallet, you wouldn't want to give me one. Yeah, they get all wrinkly.
and crunched up and everything else but uh i mean it's really cool i really uh i really like that um all right um yeah i i i don't see the hesitation here Other than the Municipal League, of course, is obviously any time a city loses out in any type of power, whether it's monetary or otherwise, the AML is in there swinging in to make sure that...
that, you know, that the cities keep all that stuff. And so that's the only thing I can see that, you know, you just got to overcome that. I would hope that everybody would want to get on board with this, Kevin. I think the progressive, not progressive politically, but the really dynamic mayors that are really concerned with the business community in their cities.
are very aware of how much this will actually increase economics through churn and that sort of thing and allowing their citizens to store value enough to have a disposable income. Especially if the banks go down. Look at Sitka last year with the internet cable and all that and the problems that they had with transactions without credit cards.
Yeah, no, I think it would be a great thing to be able to have as a backup or value. And like you said, to at least hold value in the money you have. All right, well, let's continue on here. Here we go. The Michael Luke Show, Common Sense Radio. Let's do this thing. Right now. The Michael Duke show, not your daddy. Wait, sorry, not your daddy? Ooh, not your daddy's talk radio. Whew, I was scared for a second. Thought we were going down. Here's Michael Dukes and the show.
Okay, Kevin McCabe is our guest representative from Big Lake. We were just talking about his gold and silver as public tender bill. Which to me, I mean, makes total sense. But again, I've been in favor of this for I still remember having a conversation with Sean Parnell when I was up in Fairbanks at KFAR. He was in the studio. We did an interview and I had that conversation about.
gold and silver is tender and he was like why and i'm like well for this reason this and you could just see it just didn't compute with him he just could not he could not conceptualize the fact that we would want to have anything other than U.S. greenbacks as a currency. But I think the tides are shifting. I think people have started to come around. And of course, we've seen 20 years of inflation since then. And people understand the power of that, Kevin.
Right. Yeah, I think Senator Sullivan said it best when he gave a talk here in Anchorage a month ago, and he said the most expensive vehicle in Alaska to drive is the shopping cart right now. You know, if you compare how much you could buy with gold at Costco, say, versus how much you can buy with greenbacks, the difference will be startling, actually. Yeah, exactly.
All right. Well, let's look at a lot of the other pre-filed bills. And we got through a lot of them here in the last segment before we brought you on, Kevin, but we didn't get to the big one, which, of course, is the pension. Something that's not in the pre-filed bills yet, but we fully expect, of course, is also the school funding. And then finally, I'm sure that there will be some kind of bill for...
some kind of gas sub, something to do with the Cook Inlet. I'm sure that there will be something there as well. But the theme that I see in a lot of this, whether it's the free school lunch for everyone, Or the, you know, or, you know, boosting the flood insurance things. You know, I guess my question is. Who pays? This is the biggest question of all these bills, is who pays? And the ADN dedicated an entire story just to the pension bills.
After they did the rundown of all the pre-filed bills, they did a full story on the pension bills. talking about how this is the only way we're going to save the state, that the that the reason we can't hire people, the reason the state's having a hard time. It all has to do with pensions, has nothing to do with anything else, has nothing to do with culture, has nothing to do with pay, has nothing to do with.
With any of the other things, it all has to do with the retirement benefits. And that's what they're trying to do right now. And this is just one bill. But regardless of the bill, Kevin, who pays in the long run for all this stuff? Well, not only who pays, but how do they know? I mean, how does the ADN know that the reason that state workers are leaving is because they don't have a pension? How do they know? The state departments have not done exit surveys in any kind of...
cogent and in extensive manner almost ever. I think the Department of Public Safety is the last ones that did an exit survey and it was five or six years ago and Frankly, only 9% of the people said that a pension was the primary cause or lack of a pension was the primary cause of their leaving. More than 20%, I think even closer to 30% said they were leaving because of leadership and because the job was poorly defined and they had issues. It's the same with teachers.
is it is the pension the number one reason they're leaving i don't think it is i really don't the younger teachers that i've talked to said that they would rather have a more portable um 401k or defined contributions pension, then they would have the golden handcuffs of a defined benefit. And that's something that's not talked about. That's really something that hasn't been discussed much in all the news reporting and everything else. They're only talking about...
You know how great it would be and how good this would be and how this would solve the outflow and the migration. I mean, first of all. I find it ironic that the legislature is going to take up these bills and take up these proposals, supposedly under the auspices of fixing the out-migration in Alaska. Well, there's only...
With 30,000 state employees, if you tack on the municipal employees that would eventually jump onto this program, you're talking about maybe 50,000 employees in the state. Out of a state that has a working population of what, close to 300,000? So you're going to spend however many millions and billions of dollars to try and protect just this one cadre of employees. And nobody's talking about the golden handcuffs thing, which for those of you who don't know.
Once you're in that system, the only way to get you have to get vested and get you can't just move out of state. If something happens, you know, you get a relative or a mom or a dad or somebody who gets sick and you have to move out of state or something changes. You can't just take it with you.
You have to be in it. It's not like a defined contributions plan where it has portability and you can take it with you. And that's something that people just aren't talking about, Kevin. Right. And, you know, the part of the problem is there are too many people involved.
have too much of a vested interest especially those folks that are telling you well it's going to save money because of this fiscal note or that fiscal note or because of the analysis we've done there's too many people involved that have a reason to pass
this, whether it be Representative Josephson, Senator Giesel, the staffers that did the first fiscal note, which we rejected, and even the second fiscal note. So if they are going to do this... in my opinion the only way to do it is to get a disinterested third party spend the money pay the fifty thousand dollars or whatever it's going to take to actually have honest complete data done and have an honest unemotional
conversation about this look i'm not against uh union folks getting a good pension i never As a negotiator, as a union member, I never would have negotiated ever again in the airline industry for defined benefit contribution plan. I've seen them be abused just too much. I would rather have, and I say this all the time.
time as well right i would rather have control of my own pension i cannot think of a worse entity on the planet to have control of my pension than the state of alaska right in the legislature frankly so you know No, I agree with you. I agree with you on that. And I know there's been discussion about, well, maybe we should increase the defined contribution plan to make it more.
I know that the Reason Foundation made some suggestions when they were testifying that we could upgrade and update our defined contributions plan to make it more competitive with other states if that's part of the problem. But I mean, the fact that 20 plus percent, almost 30 percent of the respondents in the last exit survey said that this is a leadership personnel job description issue just shows me that this is not the big.
This is not the magic bullet they're asking for. And I, too, am suspicious. I mean, we look at people like Chuck Kopp, who said he's going to introduce a companion piece, and he's hip deep with the unions and other members who are. working with unions representing either in a professional capacity or have other kind of financial ties to it this is i mean really follow the money in this case yeah it's it's a it's an interesting discussion for sure and it's um
You know, there is so much lined up on either side, and it's very, very emotional. Obviously, you're talking about folks' future and that sort of stuff. And frankly, you know, the unions have their folks. in line with this and in speaking the party line and and that's fine but we need to have an honest conversation with real honest data from a third party that says this and and maybe not even the reason foundation although they have some
You know, they have some good data. The other side of the discussion lined up one Harvard professor, I think, that came from the East Coast in support of... in support of defined benefits. But I'm not so sure that we've done our due diligence with the workers, with the... gen xyz folks that are actually coming into the workforce the state workforce and the teachers and the firefighters and the law enforcement coming into the workforce and say what most concerns you is
Is your pension of most concern to you or would you rather have a higher pay? Would you rather have better health care? There are better things that we could do and we should do as good. managers of our workforce to ensure that they stay around. And I don't think... the state taking control of the pension is the right way. And frankly, why should the state be on the hook for a city's pension? Why should we be the, you know...
Frankly, if I was still in negotiation, this to me would be an opportunity for a good union negotiator to go to the city of Anchorage or Fairbanks or whoever and say, hey, you know that defined benefits thing that we're fighting about right now?
how about if we just take that money and we'll take control of it the same amount of money that you would have to pay the state of alaska you can pay into a pension program that we would develops either as a AFD or APDEA or whoever that we would develop and we would manage and it would be self-managed by our members which is always better than a bureaucratic entity managing a
retirement system well to me there's an opportunity here for a good negotiator to step in and actually make some hay for his union members i you know and i just don't think that they are taking i just don't think that they're taking a look at the workforce that is today i mean it's Ever since COVID, it's been pointed out that the millennials and Gen Z, the younger people in the workforce, they're looking for...
portability and mobility. They want it. I mean, they're going to change jobs a dozen times in the first 20 years of their working career. That's what that's. I mean, we're different now than we were 40 years ago. It's just a different world out there. And they're looking for different things. I mean, if you're required to stay in one job at the state.
just to make sure that you, I mean, it's not going to work. I don't think that's going to attract the people. And of course the cost, we had Cliff Grow on the program when he was running for office and he was just convinced. He just told us that this is going to save us, save us money in the long run.
But couldn't explain how exactly it was going to save us money in the long run. So there's a lot of pie in the sky in this proposal that I'm just not seeing. And like you said, until we have a true fiscal note. I'm concerned this is going to put us right in the same position that we were in with the first three tiers of the defined benefits program. And as you pointed out as well.
You know, municipalities will probably get in. I mean, if I was in a municipality, I would stay away from it simply because they got burned last time. Right. These municipalities. I mean, I was on the borough assembly in Fairbanks. We were still paying.
Years later, we were still paying into the PERS and TURS payout system because it had been so underfunded. And, you know, they weren't getting anything for it. They were putting millions of dollars into the fund and not getting anything for it because they were paying for past mistakes.
in a municipality, I would want to steer clear of that. Right. And, you know, and I don't buy the argument that comes from the unions. You know, I said, I talked to one of the firefighters, you know, and I said, why don't the...
why don't the firefighters want to manage their own 401k or give it to a professional manager he goes well they don't want to deal with that they're not equipped to deal with it they're firefighters they're not money managers and i'm like really you have that low of a respect for your union members and their ability to manage their own finances that you would want to take control of that's just big government again that's just big big
You know, that's mom and dad taking control of the kids again. Why would you ever want to do that? You poor, poor, pitiful kids. You can't deal with it. We'll take care of it for you because, you know, you just can't be trusted to. handle your finances on your own i it's just again more nanny state stuff that i i think more people would be i mean they really need to take a poll of people
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Okay. Kevin McCabe, our guest here as we go through here. Donna Ardwin says the defined benefits bill will have a huge cost to municipalities. I mean, that's the thing. That's my fear. Again, looking back at what we were dealing with when I was on the borough assembly in Fairbanks is, I mean, this is huge, huge dollars, millions of dollars.
They were having to still be paid towards employees who were already gone and retired. This was not current personnel costs. This was things that had already been taken care of. If I was a municipality.
i would be very leery to jump into something like that kevin oh i totally agree i totally agree and i i think that there is a much much better ways and and truthfully this is why we failed last last uh two years is we didn't we we had a bill but we didn't push it and we didn't uh as a substitute define contributions or
um or whatever so there there's so many different ways that you can have a retirement system without the state taking over um and you know frankly the bill that i saw two years ago if it's the same
I think they had a 7% return in there, which is crazy for planning. If you think about it, we say that the... define or the uh the permanent fund dividend should be five percent that's the you know the percent of market value we should plan on five percent kind of apples and oranges i get that but um we're in inflate
the return to make our numbers work. And I don't think that that's the best way to do things. No, I mean, the Reason Foundation said what? It would cost something like $10 billion over the first 20 years or something? I mean, that's a... That's a big chunk of change. Fat Ray says, the first time I left Alaska, public pension benefits had zero to do with it. It was cost of living and climate.
And I think that's a lot of people. Like Kevin said, the last exit survey they did showed that only 9% were concerned about the pensions and retirements. Fat Ray also mentions that we were talking about how... Workers today are a different breed of cat. He said that's a result of globalization and free trade. Millennials can only watch corporations conduct mass layoffs so many times before we understand we're expendable. Different world for previous generations. And he's right.
That's exactly right. You can see it. They're like, I want more portable. And their priorities have changed. It's no longer I want to work for the same company for 20 years, retire. And do my thing. That's that's not even on people's agendas anymore. A lot of times they're not even concerned as much about pay as they are about the flexibility to experience things while they're young, to go out and do things, to travel, to do all this other stuff. As long as they're making a living.
all that matters to them and you know so it's a totally different mindset than what it was 20 30 40 years ago 100%. And when you're talking about dealing across different unions, so like in the airline industry, if you went to work years ago for United and you had to find benefits. and you went to Delta, you would lose your defined benefits seniority, if you will, your union seniority at United to start at the bottom at Delta.
Right. And, and it's the same, virtually same. Now we have no, we don't have the boilermakers anymore where it's a nationwide union and you continue to accrue your seniority and, and you work out of a union shop. It's totally different. And yet union leadership seems to be stuck in the past where they're not thinking about portability. To me, the portability, my ability to have a 401k and manage it myself, whether I take it to a professional money manager like.
T. Rowe Price or Fidelity or Fisher or somebody and just collaborate with them on my own goals. And, you know, this time period in my life, I want to be in risky stuff. and by the time i'm 70 i want to be in more um you know more safe bonds and that sort of thing so there's There's ways to manage it that you can't do necessarily inside the state of Alaska defined benefits retirement system. Right, right. No.
It's it's kind of spooky to see. And by the way, Delta, your example, Delta, they had to be bailed. They they don't have a defined benefits plan because they had to be bailed out by the federal government. I mean, this is GM, Delta, a handful of other companies and, of course, many, many. municipalities and states have stopped it because again, you can't guarantee defined benefits basically says you will receive X service and the medical is what was killing them.
you know, you'll receive X kind of medical care 40 years from now. Well, you have no idea what that's going to cost 40 years from now. And so how do you put enough money away to do it? That's the problem with defined benefits versus defined contributions.
Right. It's it's it's madness. All right. Well, we're 45 seconds out. We're going to get into some of these other bills and we're going to talk about the big question, Kevin, which I hope that you're going to be a champion of this session. The big question, of course, is who. pays. Who pays for all this? Who pays for this, you know, a chicken in every pot kind of ideology that we're seeing?
And we saw during this last election cycle who pays for all this. And we're going to jump into that here in just a second. Kevin McCabe is our guest. Uh, we are, uh, going to continue with him. One final segment dead ahead. Please like and share, subscribe, ring the bell, do all that stuff and the YouTube things. Only 19 of you have liked the show this morning. What's the matter with you guys? Don't you like me?
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who is a legislator from Big Lake and we're talking with him about, well, all the stuff, all the stuff and things. Let's continue on here with him and talk about the other bills that are going on. in the legislature right now. Of course, we've talked about school stuff. That's going to be going on. We're talking about the potential for some kind of subsidy. for the gas fields, et cetera, et cetera. Kevin, where are we at with this? What's going on?
Oh, boy. So, yeah, there's lots going on. You know, if you want to talk about energy, that's going to be at the top of everybody's list because of the Cook Inlet. It's a supposed gas shortage, which we all know is not really a shortage. It's kind of an artificial shortage. But, you know, something has to be done. Tom McKay is...
on record and pretty famous for saying, look, if we offer royalty relief, it's not money lost because we're not getting any royalty from it right now. It's stuck in the ground. and the only way to get it out of the ground we can't do it ourselves the state of alaska does isn't equipped to uh to drill and to you know bring in jack up rigs and get it out of the ground ourselves so we have to have a company
to come in and do it. And if the company says, I'm not going to come in and do it because you want too much royalty, well, how do we get them to come in here? So that's going to be the big question, I think, moving forward.
despite the you know the whether or not we should import in the gas line and and all that sort of stuff there's there's just a bunch of uh projects now that are suddenly popping up whether it be the coal bed methane in the Matsu or the power plant, the coal power plant as a substitute for using natural gas for electricity.
a bunch of stuff is popping up and we're going to have to find somebody that's willing to pull the trigger and develop uh one or more of these and and find a way to pass forward with our energy and it's It's frustrating because we never hear the positives necessarily other than from the people that are pushing it. But from the citizens, there's always the issues. What's the problem, whether it be the carbon guys, the carbon sequestration?
some of us got labeled with or, or that sort of thing. So, well, I mean, look, you know, I'm, I believe that this has been a bit of political theater that we're seeing from you know john sims and some of those people that end star i mean this is a problem obviously but it's like they're dragging their feet
And it's like intentionally making it's again, time compression is a weapon. We've talked about that for a long time. That happens in the legislature a lot, but it looks like that's what's happening here. We know we're getting close to that 2027. not deadline, but projection that the gas is going to fall off by then. And so they keep looking to the legislature, to the state to bail them out. Now, royalty relief, and I know of all the evils out there, that's probably the least of all evils.
But the bottom line, Kevin, is that that revenue that we would give up in royalty relief would still have to be made up somewhere. Right. I mean, that would still be potential revenue that has to be made up somewhere. And so we're eventually all going to pay for it one way or the other. Sure. And I mean, you know, we we just have to settle in our minds that the answer to the question who pays is always.
100 us right you know i mean it just is whether it be taxes or higher gas prices or higher electric prices at the end of the day it's always us It's always the citizens that pay. And I think what you're seeing is a bunch of people sitting in a room, a bunch of group of executives sitting in the room, and they're saying the same thing to each other. Who pays?
Who's going to pay for this? Yeah, we don't want to pay for it. We want the state to pay. I mean, that's what it seems like. It seems like they're saying, well, we could stand up the infrastructure for LNG import. We could do that. We could produce, you know, we could do some kind of cost share with the developers.
and the explorers, but, you know, let's just wait around and make the state pay for it. Let's make somebody else pay for it. And this is the problem, again, even with things like the school funding. I mean, we're spending more right now on schools than almost any other state in the nation. And now there's discussions. We see Senator Tobin is floating the idea of a $1,900 BSA increase.
And I think putting stuff into the BSA is one of the worst ways to do it because it locks us in for the foreseeable future. But, I mean, again, we're going into this budgetary cycle with over a billion-dollar deficit. We know we're going to have probably $150 to $200 million supplemental budget from this year. So we're already at 1.2, 1.5, 1.7, whatever number you want to use there. But we're already going in with a deficit and they're talking about increasing the spending.
Well, if you get the $1,900 BSA plus you get some benefits for the new defined benefit. I mean, we're talking about, you know, an extra $800 million in spending.
how do we pay for that kevin that's the thing who pays right and well you know who pays i mean you and brad talk about it all the time it's the pfd is going to pay for all of it the dividend is going to be gone the carpenter uh has been saying that for a couple years uh the you know the fiscal policy working group everybody's looking at the dividend i think it's 1.56 billion
dollar hole in the governor's budget yeah i was trying to be generous i was i was trying to be generous there you know right yeah so you want and then you add in the supplemental and everything else and yeah it's going to be a struggle and then we're going to put $1,900 BSA on top of that, which locks it into the formula in perpetuity. You know, the legislature has never failed to fund education when they needed to be funded.
i think that the uh three and four letter organizations in the state the nea and the school board administrators and the um you know school admit, I forget the other, AASC, they all see the permanent fund going away, the dividend going away, and they see it as the last gas, but getting... that last little bit of money out of us in perpetuity that they can't.
We funded the House-funded education $322 million last year, the biggest funding ever. Granted, some of that got cut by the governor, but... Point being is we recognize some of the things that needed to be funded that the school districts were not funding. Whether it be major school maintenance, we took the top 15 projects off of deeds list and we funded those.
uh there's pupil transportation we put a bunch of money into pupil transportation the reeds act we put money into that so we did what the school administrators were unwilling to do because they are running a business frankly it's the education industrial complex they have um they have reasons for what they're doing i don't always understand them because i'm not close to all of the 54 school district administrators but i will tell you
the the online report card to uh to alaskans for the uh from the schools and granted it certainly is doesn't look correct to me but if you look at like the denali borough school school district the eight students in Cantwell in 2023, it cost $91,000 per student for that school district to send those eight schools to the Cantwell school.
um so how does that affect the healy the tri-valley school who are only getting uh you know like 12 or 15 even less than that per student you know so here's a school district that is disparately funding two different schools that might, between Anderson and Cantwell, that might have to have a second look on how we are actually keeping, even keeping them open. Well, the Anderson school.
15 students, I think in 2023, they had five teachers in a 44,000 square foot building. How is that sustainable? We need to make some tough decisions. There's no doubt, but they need to be unemotional. fiscally prudent. Well, I mean, even Sarah Vance's bill to consolidate the health care has received a bunch of pushback. I mean, it would save, you know, I think it was $50 million a year.
uh just in savings by consolidating the health care together why are we fighting over that i mean that's 50 million dollars that could potentially be freed up for others i mean why why would it makes no sense but again the bottom line is we all know who pays pay. The PFD will be gone. But then in three or four years, once the PFD is gone, then they'll be looking at Alaskans with their handout going, free rides die hard, sweetheart. Here you go. Pony up. And it'll be taxation.
You are such an optimist. I'm thinking by the end of next year. So I'm certain that there will be some sort of, and they'll call them broad-based or revenue generating measures. whether it be the gasoline, the gas tax that Representative Josephson tried to put in. I'm not trying to give him any ideas, but there will be revenue generating measures. Look at the Anchorage Assembly and what they're doing with the tariffs in the Port of Alaska, right?
No, I mean, it's crazy what's going on. Now they're talking about a sales tax and tariffs. They want to start a casino in Anchorage to generate. I mean, it's just like government never saw a dollar it didn't want to spend. Final thoughts here, Kevin. Well, you know, the Anchorage tariffs is an interesting cat if you really look at it. It's taxation without representation.
um you know they they're rather proud of it i had a conversation with an assembly member the other day and he was like well if you don't like it don't use the port of anchorage and i'm like could you put that on the record because that will be the
the rallying cry to finish uh port mckenzie yeah no if we had a port mckenzie had rails and everything else this would be a whole different conversation all right kevin mccabe thank you so much for coming on board good luck starting next week i'm sure we'll visit with you again Thank you for being part of it today. You bet, Michael. Nice to see you again. You bet. Hold the line for just a second. Folks, we're out of time. Tomorrow, Brad Keithley, Chris Story.
All right, Kevin McCabe is our guest. Final thoughts, Kevin, before I let you go. Because, I mean, this is the problem. Government is just there to consume every available dollar. Yeah, you know.
in addition you know we talk about who pays and that's great but we also need to look at if we're going to spend money if we are going to spend it uh for alaskans and they're going to pay for it because like we said we ultimately pay for everything is what's the return on investment so the railroad when i'm talking about the point mckenzie rail extension in port mckenzie we have to have a benefit cost analysis of plus one
So before we can apply for any grants or any federal money or anything like that, I have to do a benefit cost analysis on is the port going to make money. Well, why don't they have to do that on the long trail? You know, the long trail, they just say, oh, it's going to make lots of money for, you know, from tourism. You know, there's going to be plenty of tourists that come up here and pay for it. Well, really? Show me.
Show me the analysis. Show me the money. Show me where your benefit cost analysis is. How much is it going to cost to maintain the human waste that's going to appear on the trail from people that are walking 500 miles? uh that's turning out to be a huge cost to other long trails in the in the country and in the world frankly it's the the cleanup who pays for the cleanup and it oftentimes falls to the city that are nearest the trail
So there's lots to think about. We need to think about it unemotionally. We certainly need to ask who pays, but we also need to ask, where's the honest data? Where's the return on investment? How do we know? where's the data so yeah you'll hear me say that a lot this year in addition to who pays where's the data yeah where's the data show me show me on this piece of paper how
It's going to, you know, how it's going to be fixed and who's going to pay for it and how it's going to be paid for. I want to see that. I want every legislator to start asking that question, you know, and not just who, how do we, not just who pays this year. But who pays in two years, three years, five years, 10 years? That's the problem. It's not the this year that's the problem. Maybe not even next year because the PFD will have enough money coming in that they can do it. But eventually.
All that money is going to be consumed, and then they're going to look at you and go, mm, mm, nice juicy steak there. Let me cut off a piece of that right there. And they're going to start looking, and that's going to create, you want to talk about an out-migration problem. That will create a huge out-migration problem. Yeah, and the Fiscal Policy Working Group, we did three years ago. I was on that in Carpenter and others.
there's there's not enough wealth in Alaska to generate enough of an income tax to pay even a fraction of these big programs that the, you know, the big BSA and defined benefits, even a 20% income tax would fail to pay what they're talking about putting in place right now. I just don't know how we do it other than going into the corpus. All right, well, maybe that's the long con, the long game is going into the corpus. I've often said I think that's the end game in the long run anyway.
All right, Kevin McCabe, our guest. Kevin, thank you so much for coming on board. We appreciate you showing up today. Thank you for being part of it with us. Of course, Michael. Good to see you again. All right, you too, my friend. Thanks for coming in. all right folks that does it for me i am done for today tomorrow is another one i'm sure brad will have plenty of commentary on what's going on with
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