In this episode, Lola interviews ordained priest and writer Shannon Kearns. Shannon TL Kearns is a transgender man who believes in the transformative power of story. As an ordained priest, a playwright, a theologian, and a writer all of his work revolves around making meaning through story. He's the co-founder of QueerTheology.com and his first book, In the Margins: A Transgender Man's Journey with Scripture was published by Eerdmaan’s books. He was the founder and Artistic Director of Uprising ...
May 17, 2023•23 min•Season 4Ep. 23
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Wild Olive Podcast . Check them out! This episode is also brought to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Company where they perfectly roast their single-origin beans on the same day they ship to you and shipping is always free. Jason recommends trying the Gourmet Breakfast Blend! In this episode, the crew talks about how we can know when it's time to walk away from a toxic religious environment. The crew welcomes Instagrammer, YouTuber, and soon...
May 01, 2023•58 min•Season 4Ep. 22
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book, Drugs and Jesus , by Joshua Lawson which is available now! This episode is also brought to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Company where they perfectly roast their single-origin beans on the same day they ship to you and shipping is always free. Jason recommends trying the Tanzania! In this episode, the crew talks about how we can live more authentically as our true selves and some common obstacles to being who we really are. Jason int...
Apr 17, 2023•1 hr 4 min•Season 4Ep. 21
In this introductory episode of his brand-new podcast, Jason Elam discusses the need for a wholesale re-evaluation of our parenting methods in light of spiritual deconstruction. You can purchase a copy of the book, Parenting Deconstructed: Navigating Your Spiritual Evolution Without Leaving Your Family Behind, here . Please follow Parenting Deconstructed on Facebook and Instagram . Up next: Chapter One featuring Keith Giles, releasing Friday, April 7th, 2023. Please be sure to follow or subscrib...
Apr 06, 2023•15 min
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Story of Christianity Told As Good News for All by Ric Machuga which is available now! This episode is also brought to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Company where they perfectly roast their single-origin beans on the same day they ship to you and shipping is always free. In this episode, the crew talks about substance use disorder, harm reduction, and how people of faith can respond more compassionately. For insight on this, Jason talks to...
Apr 03, 2023•1 hr 3 min•Season 4Ep. 20
Hey, everyone. Jason here again. I got so much great feedback from the "Jesus the Mystic" message that I did a couple of weeks ago, that I decided to turn it into a series. Here is the second installment, "Are You Ready to Get Unstuck?". Sometimes, the way out of our rut is simpler than we think. What is your next step to getting unstuck? We'd love to hear from you in our Messy Conversations group on Facebook. By the way, the Robcast episode that I refer to in this message can be found here . It...
Mar 20, 2023•38 min•Season 4Ep. 19
This Quoircast podcast episode if brought to you by Keith Giles' latest book, Sola Mysterium: Celebrating the Beautiful Uncertainty of Everything . Order your copy of this groundbreaking book today! This episode is also brought to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co. Use promo code "Messy" for 20% off of your first order! In this conversation, Lola, Kyle, and Jason are joined by publisher, author, and podcaster Matthew J. Distefano to discuss finding inspiration among the hobbits of J.R.R. Tolkien...
Mar 13, 2023•47 min•Season 4Ep. 18
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book "What Can't Be Hidden" by Brandon Andess. Order your copy today here . In this new episode, Lola, Kyle, and Jason welcome Quoir Publishers and authors Matthew J. Distefano and Keith Giles for a conversation about censorship and its' high cost for society. Books you are going to want to check out after listening to this episode: The Kingdom of God is Within You by Leo Tolstoy Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glas...
Mar 06, 2023•49 min•Season 4Ep. 17
Hey, everyone! Jason here. I was in the car for 10 hours yesterday and had bursts of conversation with God. I took some notes to share with you. This one is a little out there and might stretch some of my evangelical friends. Please stick with me. I think you'll like where we end up. In this talk, I discuss: The need to separate Jesus the first-century teacher from the religious icon passed down to us. The first century understanding of some of Jesus' key teachings. What forgiveness and loving o...
Mar 05, 2023•39 min•Season 4Ep. 16
In this brand-new episode, Jason speaks with author Heather Hamilton about her spiritual journey, mystical experiences that change our lives, and her brilliant new book, Returning to Eden. Heather Hamilton received her B.A. in Journalism from Georgia State University and spent many years doing video production before discovering her love of writing. After filming and editing stories with people from all over the world—celebrities, orphans, religious leaders, royal family members, political figur...
Feb 20, 2023•52 min•Season 4Ep. 15
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the This is Not Church podcast featuring our friends Jon and Nat Turney. If you're not listening to them already you should definitely check them out! In this episode of Messy Spirituality, Jason interviews author and former pastor Kevin Sweeney about his spiritual journey and the hidden power of letting go. You're going to love this conversation! Be sure to check out Kevin's books The Making of a Mystic and The Joy of Letting Go . Kevin Sweene...
Jan 23, 2023•35 min•Season 4Ep. 14
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the Heretic Happy Hour podcast. If you're not listening to the granddaddy of all destruction podcasts you definitely ought to check them out! In this episode of Messy Spirituality, Lola interviews Canadian born artist, Bri Shaw, about her life and work. You're going to love this conversation! You can follow Bri on Instagram and follow her art page here. You can get one of Bri's prints for free by following Birmingham Free Art . Be sure to follo...
Jan 18, 2023•58 min•Season 4Ep. 13
This episode is sponsored by the incredible book Divine Echoes by Dr. Mark Gregory Harris. If you haven't already read this book you're missing out! In today's episode, Jason speaks with Brent Schebler of Ink Drinker Editing and Literary Services about his spiritual journey and some of his favorite reads of 2022. Books mentioned in this episode: The Shack by William Paul Young Parenting Deconstructed : Navigating Your Spiritual Evolution Without Leaving Your Family Behind The Hidden Lives of Tre...
Jan 12, 2023•34 min•Season 4Ep. 12
This QuoirCast podcast episode is brought to you by our friends at the Heretic Happy Hour podcast! Check them out wherever you listen to podcasts! On this episode, Jason interviews returning guest Brad Jersak to discuss reframing the conversation about deconstruction and its impact. Brad Jersak is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC. He currently serves as the Dean of Theology & Culture at St. Stephen’s University ( SSU.ca/graduate ) in New Brunswick and teaches peace studies cours...
Dec 12, 2022•1 hr 1 min•Season 4Ep. 11
This QuoirCast podcast episode is brought to you by the Ideas Digest podcast from two Aussie blokes-Konrad and Matt. Check them out! On this episode Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss our current understandings/beliefs about angels, demons, and the spirit realm. Auntie Lola also has an all new WTF Bible Story that you're gonna love. During our interview segment, Jason interviews author Eric English who recently released a new book entitled, "UNnlightenment: A Theological Foundation for Deconstructing...
Nov 28, 2022•1 hr 8 min•Season 4Ep. 10
This QuoirCast podcast episode is brought to you by the Ideas Digest podcast from two Aussie blokes-Konrad and Matt. Check them out! On this episode Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss what makes each of them grateful. Auntie Lola also has an all new WTF Bible Story that will make all the ladies very grateful. During our interview segment, Jason interviews author Daniel Henderson who recently released "Confessions of a Recovering Evangelical". With a 40 year career in education, Daniel Henderson has t...
Nov 17, 2022•1 hr 8 min•Season 4Ep. 9
This QuoirCast podcast episode is brought to you by This is Not Church podcast featuring our good friends Jon and Nat Turney. Check them out! On this episode Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss what each of them think might happen after we die. Auntie Lola also has a very spooky Halloween edition of WTF Bible Stories. During our interview segment, Jason interviews poet Darrell Epp about life, art, and art's impact on the world. Darrell Epp is a poet, freelance journalist, and playwright whose work has...
Oct 31, 2022•1 hr•Season 4Ep. 8
This QuoirCast podcast episode is brought to you by This is Not Church podcast featuring our good friends Jon and Nat Turney. They drop new episodes every Monday and their latest episode features none other than our own Lola Robbins! This brand new episode features: A big announcement worthy of celebration! A special Halloween edition of "Auntie Lola's WTF Bible Stories" An interview with recording artist and all-around badass Hailey Dixon! A conversation about what happens to those who commit s...
Oct 17, 2022•1 hr 13 min•Season 4Ep. 7
This QuoirCast podcast episode is brought to you by This is Not Church podcast featuring our good friends Jon and Nat Turney. They drop new episodes every Monday so check them out! In this new episode, Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss ballot initiatives in several states that seek to end forced labor in U.S. prisons and lingering racial injustice in the United States. Join the conversation on our Messy Conversations Facebook group . Please take a minute to like our Facebook page and follow/friend a...
Sep 21, 2022•57 min•Season 4Ep. 6
In this conversation, Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss the news regarding Matt Chandler, lead pastor of The Village Church in Flower Mound, TX who recently stepped down due to what he referred to as "non-sexual, non-romantic, unwise course joking" with a female via direct messages. We look at how the situation was handled and the questions raised by the church's response. Join the conversation on our Messy Conversations Facebook group . Please take a minute to like our Facebook page and follow/frie...
Sep 09, 2022•56 min•Season 4Ep. 5
In this new episode, Lola, Kyle and Jason discuss one of the most disgusting stories in the Bible and take a look at rampant financial exploitation and manipulation in the church. Join the conversation on our Messy Conversations Facebook group . Please take a minute to like our Facebook page and follow/friend all of our hosts on social media! You can find Lola on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok You can find Kyle on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok . You can find Jason on Facebook , Instagram ...
Aug 22, 2022•1 hr 1 min•Season 4Ep. 4
In this new episode, Lola, Kyle and Jason discuss performance art at CPAC, the injustice of mass incarceration, another twisted Bible story, and the negative impact of religions based on fear. Take a minute to like our Facebook page and follow/friend all of our hosts on social media! You can find Lola on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok You can find Kyle on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok . You can find Jason on Facebook , Instagram , and Twitter (because he's way too old for TikTok). Please ...
Aug 16, 2022•53 min•Season 4Ep. 3
In this new uncut conversation, Jason Elam discusses finding life and community outside of church with authors Laura and Karl Forehand. Karl Forehand is the award-winning author of Apparent Faith, The Tea Shop, Being, and The Hotel. Laura Forehand is an educator specializing in whole brain teaching. Laura and Karl are the authors of the new book, Out into the Desert: Thriving Outside Organized Religion which is available now in paperback and e-book format. Karl and Laura host The Desert Sanctuar...
Aug 15, 2022•51 min
In this Messy Conversations interview, Lola speaks with Andrew Pledger about life, God, and his unconventional spiritual journey. Andrew Pledger is a religious trauma survivor who escaped fundamentalist Christianity (the IFB cult). He brings awareness to spiritual and religious abuse. Andrew's podcast Speaking Up with Andrew Pledger offers a platform for people to share their stories of surviving toxic religion. Being a part of the LGBTQ+ community, and experiencing religious trauma has inspired...
Aug 01, 2022•1 hr 33 min
In this episode Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss the question "Could Church Be Harming Our Kids?", the recent video of Uvalde police officers, and rethinking whether or not David was really a "man after God's own heart". Take a minute to like our Facebook page and follow/friend all of our hosts on social media! You can find Lola on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok You can find Kyle on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok . You can find Jason on Facebook , Instagram , and Twitter (because he's way too...
Jul 21, 2022•49 min•Season 4Ep. 2
Welcome to Season 4 of the show! We're excited to welcome Kyle Butler and Lola Robbins as our new co-hosts and we're launching a new format that we hope you will love! In this first episode of the new era, we discuss new beginnings, the story of Esther in the Bible, the US Supreme Court decision regarding Roe vs. Wade, and learning to hear the language of God/The Universe/love to you. It's a great conversation and we'd love to hear what you think over on the Messy Conversations group on Facebook...
Jul 06, 2022•52 min•Season 4Ep. 1
In this brand new episode, Keith Giles signals the biggest shift in his thinking of his writing career. Keith is going "full heretic" by embracing the mystery of God and rejecting religious certainty much to the dismay of a few of his former supporters. Keith's latest book is Sola Mysterium: Celebrating the Beautiful Uncertainty of Everything (Quior, June 28, 2022). You can order it here today. Keith Giles is a former pastor who left the pulpit to follow Jesus and start a house church where no o...
Jun 28, 2022•1 hr 4 min•Season 3Ep. 10
In this new episode, co-host Ashley Robbins takes over the show for her first solo interview! She has a conversation with Erin Camille who grew up in a pastor's home and saw the worst of ministry life up close. You can connect with Erin on Facebook . Please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on your platform of choice. The Messy Spirituality Podcast is Engineered by The Podcast Doctor, Eric Howell! Thanks for listening! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....
Jun 07, 2022•59 min•Season 3Ep. 9
In this episode, I speak with one of my favorite authors, speakers, and thinkers-Brian McLaren. Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a faculty member of The Living School and podcaster with Learning How to See , which are part of the Center for Action and Contemplation. He i...
Apr 26, 2022•48 min•Ep. 88
In this episode, Co-host, Ashley Robbins, and I talk to Macey Berry about her experience growing up in purity culture and the devastating impact it had on her life. You can connect with Macey on Facebook . Macey mentions the Your Favorite Heretics Facebook group during this conversation. This group was started by our friends, Derek and Rachel Myers. You can find them here . You can connect with our co-host for this episode, Ashley Robbins, on Facebook here . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privac...
Apr 14, 2022•44 min•Season 3Ep. 7
