Left's Sports Lies Exposed, Trump's FAFO Portrait, and Why Dems are Losing Black Voters, with Link Lauren and Stephen A. Smith | Ep. 1085

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone. i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show the issue of men and boys and women's sports is back in the news just in time for pride month which is being celebrated by sesame street because nothing says

Hello and welcome to children like celebrating the trans people. And then there's new reporting about the Algerian male boxer that we brought you extensive reporting on back in August of last year. Just we're going to do this. starting at the top of our second hour when Stephen A. Smith is here. But let me just tell you something. You may remember, we came on camera when this controversy broke before anyone else. Others came to the party.

But we were there first saying this is a male. This is a biologically male boxer who's boxing in women's boxing and pummeling the hell out of women. Publication after publication came after this show, from The Daily Show to Media Matters calling us transphobes and bigots and saying we were wrong on the facts, which is what really gets my goat.

You can call me names all day long. It doesn't bother me. I'm used to it. But don't tell me I'm wrong in the facts. Just ask Jake Tapper how that goes. OK, we were not wrong. We were out on a limb because no one else would tell the truth. And we put on the reporter who had seen a main caliph's genetics test, the chromosomal test. He had laid his own eyes on it and we put him on for you. And he told you what he saw.

And still people disputed our facts saying we had it wrong. Well, we didn't. Yet again, we've been proven right. And the so-called mainstream has been proven. entirely wrong as they spewed allegations of bigotry and having incorrect facts at us. The irony of it, the irony.

how wrong they were and how freely they throw around those terms just to shut you up when you are reporting facts. We're going to have a full report laid out in our second hour with the sound and the reminders and we'll name names. on the disgusting perpetrators of those attacks, not just against us, but in general, and trying to defend this male boxer who was beating the hell out of other women and stole the gold medal.

in the Olympic games, stole it. It is happening at the Olympics and it's happening in college and it's happening at the high school level. Those are the facts. It was all over the news this past weekend, all over that that runner. I mean, he's not really a runner. He's a high jumper and a long jumper out in California. He won first place.

I can't remember his high jump or long jump, but he won first place in one of them. And they made the actual first place winner, the girl, share the top podium with him. This was their great solution. Let's just kick it off there. I'm joined today, very happy to be joined by Link Lauren. He's the host of Spot On with Link Lauren on the MK Media Podcast Network. This administration is working very hard to try and fix this country.

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This shit pisses me off to no end. I mean, it's at the height of sport at the Olympic level, all the way down to girls who are still in puberty. having to deal with a boy out in California. And it's not just California. It's Washington state. It's actually, we have quite a few examples teed up of these boys running in the girls track meets and participating in the girls sports and this ridiculous.

accommodation by California to try to get out of the thumb that President Trump put down on them last Tuesday by saying, OK, if a male wins the girls race or event. They're both going to get a first place medal. Everyone's a winner. And they're both going to literally have to stand atop the highest platform. The girls have to share it with a fake girl.

Like she belongs there instead of being there alone as the clear best. No one's saying at a woman's event, they're the best in the world at everything. They're saying amongst women. Women who play this sport, they're the best. You know, right now it's Egos Viatek, but Coco Gauff is making her way up or watching the French Open. Like there's only one. is the number one girl. And it's a lie what's happening in California. This is a bullshit accommodation, which Gavin Newsom is all too happy.

with because somehow he thinks this is like the fairness thing that he just couldn't come up with. He thought about it for two minutes, just couldn't come up with anything better. And an attempt to skirt the big hand of big daddy, Trump, who is ready to rain hell down on these guys. What do you make of it?

Well, it's funny you brought up Iman Khalif. I just remembered months ago when that whole situation happened with the boxer, Taylor Lorenz, of all people, direct messaged me on Instagram and said, you should take your post down because you're wrong. That's not a biological man. That's fake.

information. And I was like, Taylor, are you sure? I don't know. But I was scared of getting canceled. Turns out we were right. And I thought, you know, it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. It looks like a man. And my rule is always, you know, do you have shoulders like a linebacker and an Adams?

apple the size of alabama you are probably a man okay my eyes do not deceive me i know a thing or two so no that was funny that taylor lorenz told me to take my post down about the boxer and that i was wrong and spreading misinformation and we are always

vindicated time and time again. And when it comes to California and Gavin Newsom, does he not remember his little podcast with Charlie Kirk when he was doing his sort of rebranding reinvention tour, which lasted two minutes? And he said it was a fairness issue.

said men should not be in women's sports. And I question Gavin Newsom as a father, right? He has daughters. He has a wife. Do you want your daughter getting beat up on? You wouldn't want your daughter sharing a locker room with a man. These people are full of crap. Gavin Newsom, it's the rules for thee.

Not for me. There's no way these men want their daughters going through the same thing, but they're so scared of this liberal progressive mob, this minority in their party that is actually just so loud that they constantly capitulate to them.

I think Gavin Newsom, if he wants to run in 2028, he's going to have to move more to the middle. Pete Buttigieg is trying to rebrand. Tim Walls is trying to rebrand. But we will be here holding them to account because we remember how radical these guys are and that they would not protect women.

Let that be a lesson to everybody to listen to this show and not to Taylor Lorenz. A lesson nobody needs. Literally nobody listening that needs that. This needs that. Yeah, she's wrong on everything. I mean, everything she writes is guided by her. very strange emotional state as opposed to a commitment to facts. And I will say, look, it's even harder to stick to real facts when everybody's coming down on you as you were feeling, but.

Those who can do it will establish a name for themselves and credibility in this industry. And those who bend the knee will not. Same thing happened with Tampon Tim. Tampon Tim definitely signed a law saying that girls that. Girls and boys, all the bathrooms, had to make tampons available in the Minnesota schools, and they tried to deny it. And the Star Tribune, which is a disgustingly far-left partisan hack paper, tried to say we were wrong, and we weren't. We were not wrong.

And we showed the audience the videotape of the lawmakers having the debate. The trans lawmaker out there was the biggest evidence I had for my side. This person was all over the debate saying, no, in the boys' rooms, too. And I mean business. Anyway, let's go back to what happened in California. So this A.B. Hernandez, who I'm sorry.

I'm sure this is somebody who's very confused, but there's something very strange about this person. He, he, he looks like a boy trying to look like a girl and it wears like. almost kabuki makeup i don't know what's with the kabuki what's going on with the kabuki makeup right link you know what i'm saying like it's really clowning makeup at the track yeah it's really great it's like super white like this is what i

I joke with Doug that he's trying to psych out his tennis opponents because he never runs in his, rubs in his sunscreen. He's trying to freak his opponents out. I kabuki. I don't know. What's that? Like a gay show that wider than I do. Right. Right. So anyway, I don't know what the A.B. Hernandez approach here is, but I do know he's winning. So he was allowed to compete at the States. This is state championships. He won first place in the triple jump.

took home gold, finishing with a jump of 42 feet and two inches. The real winner, who was a girl, Kira Hatcher, placed 40 feet, five inches. So two feet behind him. I mean, that's a lot. He beat her by two feet. in the, um, sorry, I'm good. I'm mixing. Okay. In the triple jump, Hernandez jumped. 42 feet and two inches. Right. And Kira Hatcher, she jumped 40 feet, five inches. So she was two feet behind him. And they were both forced to share the podium in the high jump.

He and two actual girls all hit five feet, seven inches. So those two girls who actually did tie one another for first had to share it with yet a third person, a boy. Hey, AB Hernandez who tied them and AB Hernandez took second place in the long jump. An actual girl did finish ahead of him. Her name was Lauren Webster. She was the only female to finish ahead of Hernandez in any competition.

in which the trans athlete competed this past weekend. She was the only one. And he shared the podium with the second place winner, Brooke White, who didn't get to have second place on her own, but had to share it with him. So he, ahead of Saturday's competition, was caught on camera by NBC4 in Los Angeles talking about how there was this rule change where he, if he won, was going to have to share the podium. And here's what he said.

Just nervous right now, you know, state finals, back here again. Just like trying not to get in my head and just relax, but it's a little harder this year. They should have just left it alone this year. try and fix it next year. I see. He should have been allowed to win everything. That's that's the bottom line link.

Well, I'm happy to see more and more girls revolting. I saw a video of girls walking away. I think they're going to start fighting back very loudly because they have people like us in their corner. They have the internet in their corner. They are on the 80% of this 80-20 issue. So I'm happy to see.

see these high school girls they're going to start pushing back and it's going to become more aggressive and i will be right there with them cheering them on but what's the hypocrisy that we're seeing right now is that gavin newsom and all these leftists they're about dei feminism protecting women women

supporting women but then they're fine with girls getting beat up losing out on gold medals and scholarships and also there are girls across the country who might not be in california they might not be in a big city and for them winning that medal is the scholarship to get out of their small town and to go

off to college and to expand their worldview. And when they're losing out to men, they're stripping them of their future that they've worked so hard for getting up at 4am every single day. And then selfishly, I don't know anything about sports. And every time a man is in a sports...

competition, stealing it from a woman. I have to do copious amounts of research. I'm like, what is the CIF long jump, high jump? I don't know what all this is. So if they could stop putting men and women's sports, because I'm having to learn all about sports when I know nothing. Okay. Just having to learn about sports takes a lot.

Never try to keep track who's female, who's male or in the Olympic boxer, you know, who's got which chromosomes exactly and what happened to them. I have a packet in front of me in preparation for today. This all happened over the past weekend. We had examples of this in California, in Washington state, in Oregon, in Minnesota. I could go on. I mean.

It's happening in state after state after state. Again, there was a teacher at my daughter's school who just told her two weeks ago that there are only 10. 10 of these trans athletes participating in girls sports. It's a lie. It's not true. It's happening every week in every school in practically every city across the country. Now I wanted to spend one minute.

on the messaging around this A.B. Hernandez because his mother came out and of course cloaks her son in glory, doesn't acknowledge that he's cheating. He's cheating. He's got a male testosterone advantage and he's got male limbs advantage and the jumping ability and the height ability and all the advantages that your average male has over the average female. So she gives an interview.

I would still lose. Every case. She gives an interview to that same NBC affiliate and every single trope that the trans community offers up to justify this was offered here. Listen. When you see how happy. This kid is being herself. The first time I saw her come out dressed as a girl, she didn't have to hide it from me. I saw it in her face, so I was like, this is it.

This is what she wants. I'm going to support it. Behind AB's every move is her mother, Nereida, who has been watching from the crowd and protecting her 16-year-old daughter from nearby protesters, both on the ground and in the sky. I'm not losing my child. because of my stubbornness and for me being close-minded. Like, I'd rather embrace our times together, even if it's been this difficult, than going to a cemetery and crying.

because I couldn't accept something. So everyone uses the female pronouns. This is how you lose the argument. NBC saying she's she's protecting her daughter who if you. Imagine how confused the audience is out there. Why? Why is this all this hubbub about? a girl running in the girls' events about her daughter participating in girls' sports. And then just the added cherry on top is she's going to commit suicide if we don't let her do this. All of you are trying to make my daughter kill herself.

by standing up for fairness and safety in girls sports. Well, that's what the medical lobby does. There are these sick doctors who tell the parents of young kids, some of them are single digits, they're 12, 13, 14. If you don't buy into your kids' gender dysphoria and put them on the cross-sex hormones and go through that process, they could take their own life.

of the go-to and we've seen it time and time again honestly i think puberty is probably the best healer or panacea for gender dysphoria let those hormones come in go through puberty puberty and if you're 18 19 20 and you still really feel

like you're trans, then you're an adult. Go make that decision. But in this case with the mother, I feel like if the child is underage and the mom is pushing the kid to transition, the kid should probably be taken from you. It's sort of the opposite of the Tim Walls model. If you're pushing your kid to transition and being.

with hormones. I question you as a parent and that's when I think the government should step in and protect these children because there are sick parents who are injecting their kids with hormones. There are countless teenage girls getting mastectomies. I don't care what the liberals say in my comments. You can look up the statistics.

There's no reason 16-year-old girls should be getting their breasts cut off in the name of gender dysphoria. So in this case, A.B. Hernandez, you are a victim, and I feel sorry for you and have empathy for you. And California should step in because your mom is buying into this hysteria as well. and listening to the doctors who are probably liberal, progressive, socialist, and pushing trans every single day.

Yes. And the news media is part of the problem. I worked at NBC. I was part of the problem while there. I've talked to my audience about this. It was early on in this whole thing, but it was, you know. Frankly, it was late enough that I should have known better, but the whole thing hadn't exploded in the way it has. And this was back in 2018. However, NBC has learned nothing.

They've learned nothing from the explosion of this ideology amongst children and the detransitioners and their testimonials and the data we now have on what puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones does to a young girl's or boy's fertility and sexual function. Nothing. They've paid zero attention. It's all about you have to affirm or you're a bigot. And they refuse to use biologically based language.

pronouns and words like daughter should not have been in that NBC news piece. And there was a great example of fighting back against this on CNN over the weekend. It happened on Friday. It circulated on X over the weekend. It was attorney Julie Hamill. who confronted far left activist Brianna Keillor, who poses as a neutral news anchor, but is really just a partisan hack. And Julie Hamill in like sort of stone cold fashion.

just called out Brianna Kilar's nonsense and a factual discussions. Here's a clip. What would make this fair for her to compete for those who are competing against her? What would that kind of structure in competition look like? Who is her? ABAB. Okay, A.B. Hernandez is a male who identifies as a female. What would be fair is to have Hernandez competing in the male category. It is not fair to the females competing to have to compete with a male. That's how it's done. Yes. That's so us too.

You know, what's funny is I actually got an email I'm remembering now from Media Matters. Apparently they're upset because last time I was on your show, we referred to Dylan Mulvaney as a he or something. And so they're mad at me, like Lauren and Megyn Kelly. Yeah, something like that. And so why?

are we getting raked over the coals for using biological pronouns? Also, I'm going to say it and I get attacked for saying it. If you're a man and you feel like you should become a woman, you have to really sit and reflect and think, am I going to make a pretty

Girl, some of these guys who transition, you got to be metacognitive. You know, we all know what we're good at and what we're not. I know I'm not a six foot two athlete. Communication is my skill. That is going to help you move into adulthood, figuring out who you are and what you're good at. So some of these men who are like, you know what?

Even though I've got shoulders like a linebacker and an Adam's apple the size of Alabama, I'm going to transition and put on a dress and heels. Some of you aren't meant to become women. I know Media Matters is going to shit themselves over that comment, but it's true. You're not meant to be women.

is not the case no it's uh like a line that uh was once dropped on my husband as they were talking about this this trans person who is a man trying to look like a female and um this person said to my husband um ugly as a man outrageous as a woman. It doesn't tend to like improve your appearance to go from an unattractive man into a fake woman like that guy who keeps running around to all the restaurants getting.

fake mad that they're misgendering him. I mean, he looks like a, like a professional wrestler and he shows up with this huge Adam's apple, as you point out, and his deep voice. And he's like, it's man. It's man. Okay. So back to the track and field. Yes. Yes. Is that who it is? Okay. So back to the track and field. Now, moving on from California to Washington state, there is for the second year in a row, someone named Logan Veronica Garcia. Okay.

Veronica, there's something about it, who won the girls 400 meter race. This Garcia is 17 years old and runs for East Valley High School. His time put him ahead of the. actual first place girl, Lauren Matthew, uh, by nearly a full second. And he, Veronica. Garcia beat his time from last year's state final by 0.05 seconds. So he's been doing this for a couple of years now. Oh, yay. He let's see when he was announced as the winner.

boos rang out and the audience cheered for Lauren Matthews, who they knew, Matthew, who they knew was the rightful winner. Let's watch a bit of that here. Second place, Lauren Matthews. And first place, your 2025 winner in a time of 55.70 from East Valley of Spokane. Veronica Garcia. That's amazing, Link. And Washington State? This isn't Texas. This is not Alabama. This is pretty blue. And they've had it. No.

Everyone has had it. And I know we keep saying it's an 80-20 issue, but I know President Trump is like, it's really a 95-5 issue. It's a 99-1 issue. It's just this small, radical mob that's constantly being pushed on us. And I really feel like from the... far left. I'm not gonna...

lump everybody on the left into this category. There are incredible Democrats who may be watching this. But there seems to be this sort of systemic erasure of the nuclear family, of family values, of women's rights, women's spaces. And this was supposed to be the party of women's rights.

And now they're perfectly fine with men coming in and stealing all their gold medals and trophies. So I am glad people are booing. They need to get more aggressive and get out there and fight back and fight back and fight back. I also think the Democrats are just going to continue losing if they come down on the.

aside of the 20% of these 80-20 issues and all of the insanity. Okay, one more for you here. Oregon. In Oregon, I mean, remember, this teacher at my school said it's only having 10, just 10. Oh, really? I mean, like this is we're going through multiple just this past weekend, just in a couple of states. Never mind. I think he was referring to the NCAA, which whose president said, I'm only aware of 10 who are actively competing right now, which is. Yeah, exactly.

It's a transdemic, which we dismantled anyway. That claimed about only 10 at the NCAA level as well. Okay, so this is in Oregon. Female athletes there. We're in the state championship for track and field. And the video obtained by Fox News Digital shows two high school seniors, Reese Eckerd of Sherwood High School and Alexa Anderson of Tigard High School.

stepped down from their respective spots on the podium next to the trans athlete and faced the other way. Anderson had placed third. Eckert had placed fourth. The trans athlete there had actually come in. fifth, but these two girls were sick of it. They understood that there should be a rightful girl in the fifth place spot, and they were not having it. They did not forget the girls who got screwed over.

by this boy, pretending here they were. They hopped down, they turned their backs, and then an official confronted them and gestured for them to move away. They were then seen walking away, standing off to the side. The one who came in fifth, taking the rightful spot of an actual girl, goes by Leah Rose. His real name is Zachary. And he's a boy, and he competed as a boy in 2023 and 2024. And you know this guy was middling and probably stunk, but he—

wanted to compete and do better and went over to the girls and was allowed to do it immediately. These two girls who stepped down from the podium said, we didn't do it out of hate. We did it because someone has to say this isn't right. In order to protect the integrity and fairness of girls sports, we must stand up.

for what is right. And just as an aside, back to the Washington state example that we just went through and this Garcia, Veronica, this person said, last year in June, as he won in that particular competition, said he was somewhat hurt that his peers did not offer him congratulations. for his big win, quote, I guess maybe I expected sportsmanship because I was cheering the rest of them on when they were called. So I expected that to get reciprocated, but I didn't get it. So he's shocked.

shocked link that the girls like, as we also saw there in Oregon are not more excited to lose their medals and their first place spots to these boys. Well, it's interesting. None of these guys could hack it in the men's category. So they have to come over and hijack the women's category. And what's also interesting is they just want to erase these women's spaces. And I know I keep saying it time and time again, but that's really what's happening.

And what used to be the LGBT movement was we want equal rights. We want equal treatment. Well, now the trans movement is we want special treatment. We want to be able to do whatever we want, whenever we want. If we identify as a guy on a Monday, we're going to identify.

as a girl on a Tuesday. And you just have to accept that. Call us the right pronouns. Let us into your locker rooms. Let us on your sports teams. What happened to equal rights? It's like you give them an inch. They're going to want 10. You know what I'm saying? That's the LGBT community. They're going to want more.

more and more and the whole gay rights movement for decades was we want gay marriage well 10 years ago this summer you got the obergefell supreme court decision you got gay marriage but then all these non-profits like human rights campaign and hundreds of non-profits across the country

They needed a new grift to continue fundraising because their whole fundraising plan was we need to fight to get gay rights. Well, now it's trans rights. These are not rights. OK, there are no rights in this country trans people do not have. They say Trump is transphobic.

taking trans rights away you did not lose any rights on november 5th january 20th at the inauguration we are only saying you can't push trans on the kids you can't just come into women's sports you can't go into girls bathrooms and locker rooms you can't expose yourself

If you want to be a normal trans adult, whatever floats your boat and coats your throat, come one, come all to the Halloween ball, do what you want to do. But you can't come into women's spaces and you guys constantly want special treatment. And we're sick of it. That's what it is. Mm hmm. That's exactly right. And, you know, I mean, for the record, I've said this before, but I really I used to be much more of the mind of like.

Do you do you if that's what you I'm really not. I'm I've really kind of had like I think it's very kind of creepy. I don't I don't want to see a man dressed as a woman. I'm not a dress. I'm not your fucking costume. I'm not like if you've got. No, but I'm just saying like there is like a general.

attitude amongst everybody. Not, not, I'm not blaming this on you, but like the thing to say is I'm fine. Like if you want, whatever you do in your own private world is your business. Like adults, go ahead. If you want to be trans. I really I've got to be honest. I actually do have a problem with it. I am not your costume. To me, it's the same thing as black people who don't want people wearing blackface. I'm not.

costume. Women are not a costume. We're not a dress. You can't embody what it is and means to be a woman by pulling a Dylan Mulvaney and prancing around like some overly femme bot version of women that a man. dreamed up. It's insulting. It's demeaning. And it makes me very uncomfortable. And the truth is, the larger and weirder the man, the more uncomfortable. That's the honest truth.

Right. No, I was just thinking of some of the trans conservatives out there who are like, we don't care if you call us the wrong pronoun. We'll do our own thing. We just want to blend in and be adults. You guys I'm fine with. But a majority of you, like Dylan Mulvaney, you came up on the internet making a mockery of the female.

experience dylan mulvaney went viral because he was like oh i chipped a nail i'm a woman now i wrote an angry email i know what it's like to be a woman i can tell you that is certainly not the case i work with women every single day was raised by a strong woman you're an incredibly strong woman

That is not what it means to be a woman. So there are folks like Dylan Mulvaney who are making a mockery of the female experience. And it's unfortunate that those are the ones with millions of followers and these huge platforms. Yeah. And getting like endorsement deal after endorsement deal. No, I had somebody. I don't want to get specific because I don't mean this person ill will, but this person was a, let's say, provider in my life of certain services. And it was a man.

one day. And then I went back to see him and he was dressed as a female and had quote transitioned. And I was shocked. I was not expecting it. Nobody had warned me on his staff that I was walking into somebody who was now going to try to look like a woman. Didn't, but was clearly trying. And we had a discussion about it. And literally in that first discussion, he tried to tell me that he had been...

me too'd in his first two weeks of being a woman that some man had quote grabbed his breast, which was non-existent. I'm like, this is so ridiculous. the glomming on to every, like, okay, that, that too is sort of a. Part of the sickness, right? Like these guys who pretend they get a period, these guys who pretend they've been me too, that they've been like sexually assaulted. because they're a woman. It's just, it's so creepy. And it's all part of my, just to you.

You take your own illness or whatever's going on with you. You work it out with your doctor. I'm not engaging. I'm not supportive. I'm not. I won't bully you to your face. I'm not going to see you and try to make you feel bad. But I'm not participating in any way.

Well, absolutely. I'm not saying I'm like the biggest, anybody who watches me knows I'm not the biggest trans G leader. I was just saying yesterday, what's unfortunate with pride month is us normal gays are being lumped in with these radical T's and we are sick of it. We don't want to be.

lumped in and that's what i that's what i was trying to explain it's like for decades we just wanted gay marriage we got gay marriage and now everybody else is ruining it for the rest of us we were fine after that let us be let us live our lives now it's like we want to be in women's bathrooms

We want to dress like women. We want to have, you know, what you were saying, fake periods and performative womanhood. We were fine being normal, and now we're all being lumped in with the LGBTQR2D2 that we want nothing to do with, honestly. It's so true. And no one has the balls to say it.

I know you saw these numbers, but there was just a poll out on Abergefell and how people are feeling about gay marriage 10 years after the Supreme Court ruling. And the numbers show that Democrats are overwhelmingly... in favor of it still. Independents are exactly where they've always been, which is like 74%. I think the Democrats are 92% in favor. And the Republicans have gone way down. They were like at 55% support a few years ago, and now they're at 40%.

81%. So to what do we attribute the fall in Republican support for gay marriage? So I've gotten so many messages about this from liberals saying, how could you be friends with Republicans? How could you be conservative? How could you go on Megyn Kelly's show? How could you like President Trump? I never look down on voters. I will attack Kamala Harris. I will attack.

public figures, I am never going to look down on Republican voters. In fact, I try to understand them. I do not blame them whatsoever for saying, you know what, we are a little bit tired of the LGBT stuff. And I think that's what you're seeing in the polls.

ago, people were fine with it. They got gay marriage, go do what you want to do. You want to get married. It was a great day for gay divorce lawyers as well. But no, these, when you look at these polls, I think what's really coming out in the polls is that all the

stuff is being shoved down our throats every day on social media. You turn on TV and the trans voices that are the loudest are the ones with like blue hair, screaming, they're shrill, they're invading women's spaces. So I don't blame Republican voters for saying, uh-uh, we're tired of it. Nope, nope, nope.

We gave you what you wanted, but now we're tired of it. So I don't blame them whatsoever. And I know that upsets a lot of liberal LGBT people. They want me to be the one to come out here and say, you guys get on board with us. But I think a lot of LGBT people need to do some self-reflection.

You have to take culpability for what you have done. And the trans people out there like Dylan Mulvaney and others, they're ruining it for the rest of us. The radicals invading women's spaces, they're ruining it for the rest of us. That's what's happening. So if you guys can't look in the mirror and be self-reflective, I can't help. But I do not blame the voters whatsoever for saying they're a little fatigued with all the LGBTQ plus nonsense.

What do you make of, because I've seen a lot of this. I mean, I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends who are married and who have kids and there has been an uptick in my anecdotal observation of. opinions and messaging on the conservative side against, in particular, gay adoption, like showing two gay men in like a hospital receiving a baby. born by surrogate. It may be one of the male's sperm, or it may have no biological connection to the men. You know, it can be done anyway.

But a lot of conservatives who I really like and respect are will circulate these videos in very harsh terms, you know, referring to it as like almost theft of a baby and the denial of a baby's right and need to be with its mother. right after the baby's born. I confess to you, Link, I see these videos and I always, I'm like, oh God, because I have lots of gay men in my life who I adore, who have kids, and I know they're wonderful parents. And lesbians too, who are raising wonderful children.

But as a mom, I'm also like, little babies, they do need their mama. They need breast milk. I don't know. I'm going to admit to being torn. But I feel like this is playing a role in these numbers. Absolutely. And what's interesting is I'm torn, too. And that's what I love about social media and my platform is like I'm in my 20s and my audience can see me grow up and figure out where I stand on issues, too, because I'm seeing all the same videos and I'm in my head going.

They're taking like the woman's in the other room, the surrogate, she just gave birth and the baby's being, you know, rushed into the other room with these guys. And I think maybe the baby does need some nourishment. It needs to latch. It might want to have that bond with the mother. But then again.

The guys want to have the baby. So it's like you're down the middle and it's really confusing. But I do think there are gay guys who use their babies as props. There are a lot of gay couples. I see you have babies and they want to dress them up and trot them out on social media like almost, you know, a puppy or something like that.

also what makes me sick i saw a gay couple online recently i think the guy's name is mike del moro um and he's a big influencer his partner's a big influencer and they kept doing this like brand deal or sponsorship and i'm not alleging anything this is just my

personal take. I felt like they got a brand deal sponsorship to adopt a baby. They had they had a surrogate and they somehow use some surrogacy service that was giving them a discount for doing an Instagram reel. And that just made me feel so sick. I'm like, I think they're getting.

a discount on the baby because they're promoting the surrogacy service for gay men. So I'm with you too. I'm torn because I know my bond with my mom is so strong, but then I know gay couples who have beautiful kids that they're raising. And they have a beautiful family. I think if I were going to have kids, I would just want to make sure.

that they're strong women in the kid's life because you need that balance. Okay. You can't just have the guys in the house all the time. They need to be exposed to other people who are interesting and strong women. And I would make sure to have that, but I'm like you, I'm figuring out where I stand on the issue. Luckily.

don't have to cross that bridge anytime soon. Yes, you're still young. You have your whole life ahead of you. Yeah, and that's, I mean, it's interesting because Obergefell obviously is the law of the land, but those numbers are going down, down, down on the Republican side. And I do wonder whether... it will result in any sort of policy change. Like the law is the law, the Supreme Court.

decision. I mean, it is what it is until it isn't like I can say it would never be reversed because we just saw Roe versus Wade reversed. And there's a strain of conservatives who believe it was founded on the same. you know, faulty principles that Roe versus Wade was founded. So it could potentially go away, though I think it's highly unlikely.

Totally. If I could chime in on one last thing on this, the kids who I'm perfectly fine with being adopted, there are a lot of kids who are toddlers, they're tweens, they're stuck in the foster care system being jostled around. They have no stability. They don't have a stable education system. And there are.

affluent gay couples, right? Gay couples make a lot of money. You've got two guys in the household. So if they really want a child and the kid is being pushed around to foster care systems and they have a safe home, that I'm perfectly fine with. But I agree. I see the videos of these Babies being taken the second they're born into the other room to the guys. And I think, oh, God, what about all those hormones and the connection and the umbilical cord? And it just is really complicated.

It really is. OK, let's switch and talk a little politics because I want to get into some some news that's out there. So President Trump, the White House, just unveiled his new. presidential portrait. It's a picture of him for 2025 America. And I'm sorry, but it's badass. I love it. It's so good. It's unlike any other presidential portrait we've ever seen. It doesn't show him in front of a flag, which is unusual for the listening audience. It's like Trump's got.

maybe like a hint of a smile on his face here. It's not like a big smile. He's got like the serious eyebrows that look almost slightly furrowed, but he doesn't look mean. It captures so much about him where he's he's has zero F's to give, but he's still in good humor. He's tough. He's been through a lot and is still standing.

And he looks wiser in this photo than, you know, a lot of the other portraits would project. You know, there's something about it's a very, very effective picture of him because it does show so many aspects of his personality. What do you think of it?

Well, it's interesting how life kind of runs in parallels because I remember being on your show six months ago when they unveiled the official White House portrait that morning and we came on to talk about it. So it's interesting how life comes around full circle. But no, that picture was taken by Daniel Turok, who's actually a good...

And I've loved having a front row seat to seeing him flourish and grow. And there's so many unsung heroes behind the scenes at the White House whose names we would not know. But he always takes the most incredible pictures of President Trump. There's always been this narrative in liberal.

media president trump has no internal monologue or no internal life or if he's not engaged there's nothing going on that's certainly not the case because when we look at these portraits you can see a man who's been through the lawfare assassination attempts he's been through the ring

There's no one in public life who could take the hits President Trump has and still get back up with a smile on their face who's feeling jovial and jubilant and happy. And that's what I felt we got from the picture. And then it was a cherry on top that President Trump's hair also looked.

I will say that. President Trump's hair looked great. The skin looked great. The coloring looked great. So shout out to you, Daniel. This is not a topic that I planned. You guys chose this topic. But the picture is incredible. No, I love the picture. I've never seen quite a shot like that of Trump because it's easy to show him just looking tough guy and it's easy to show him jovial with the YMCA. You know, he's got that side, but it's not easy to capture it all.

in one shot. They must have been very pleased when they saw that on film. Because even if you see it in real life, can you capture it on camera? Can you actually get the moment? Is the lighting going to work? Are his eyes going to be open? There's so many, you know, contingencies. And this one is a, it's a really.

Beautiful, powerful photo. And to me, it just happened. It hit just as this viral shot of Joe Rogan was going around. Don Jr. tweeted it out on X. And it was from last week. And I'm like this. This picture matches if it had a soundbite that could play underneath it, you know, in like a virtual experience as you walk through the White House. This might be the soundbite from Joe Rogan. Watch.

it's also like they're like oh he's a crazy person like yeah that's the only kind of person that would survive what you try to do to him right That's the only kind of guy that gets through. Like you want a perfect person? A perfect person morally falls apart by the time they've been indicted and they have 34 counts, felony counts. Like your whole body is just destroyed by this.

of you possibly going to jail for the rest of your life you have to be a fucking insane person to ride that out and not look like anything even happened then you get shot yeah you get up after you got shot you're fucking bleeding from your ear and you go fight fight fight you gotta be a crazy person to get through these he's a nightmare for anybody that's trying to rig a system like that guy's the nightmare he's the final boss of fuck you

There it is. Absolutely. No, I feel like that picture perfectly encapsulates the final boss of FU. And I've been calling this the FAFO administration, the F around and find out administration, because when you look.

Look at everybody. These are people you do not want to cross. You've got Stephen Chung. Does this look like a person you want to cross on a bad day? No. You've got Stephen Miller. He will bite your head off. This is the FAFO administration. You've got Bobby Kennedy in there who wants to tear down the system.

So I couldn't be happier. And that's one of the things I love so much about President Trump. And people get upset with me. Oh, you're too sycophantic. You're too supportive of President Trump. This is someone who we should all look up to who has taken the hits, taken the shots, literally, and still.

gets back up every single day and he just sort of starts each day again almost like a video game character where okay we're starting again yesterday barrage of bad press got shot at something horrible happened but what are we doing today to make the country better and i think that's incredible Trump's approval rating right now is up eight points, according to Trafalgar. It's really amazing. He's doing extremely well. He was down a little bit during the whole tariff. Palooza.

But Trafalgar's got his numbers as of June now up eight percentage points. How do you feel about President Trump and how he's handling his job? Strongly approve. Forty two point one. Approve eleven point six. So that's. 53, almost 54% approval rating. We've never seen that for him. Never. That's crazy high for any president in today's day and age, and really high for President Trump, who's...

All he gets is Nazi, Hitler, fascist. He doesn't get positive media coverage. The American public has learned to totally discount the media when it comes to Trump. They know about TDS. Well, absolutely. I think the legacy media just has less power than ever. I mean, even Jake Tapper, he's on this huge book tour, but he has his lowest ratings in 10 years. You know, he's doing less than 100,000 in the key demo. So it's not that these people don't have influence. It's just that nobody is watching.

I hate to say it, MSNBC, their ratings are in the gutter. CNN, your ratings are in the gutter. So even if you guys started reporting the real news and you weren't partisan hacks, I just don't think anyone's watching, right? No one gives a rap rap. It's too late. We want to scroll through our...

phones. We want to listen to a podcast. We want to get the news on X. We don't want to watch you. And you guys also unmasked yourselves as liars because you told us for years Joe Biden was in great shape. We found out you were liars. And then overnight, the same people who covered for Biden are telling us

Kamala is going to save democracy. And we're like, no, she seems like a drunk wine mom who can barely form a coherent sentence. But they tried to gaslight us. So no, President Trump has gotten nothing but negative press for 10 years since he jumped into the race in 2015.

But he's still on top because unlike the left, he's doing exactly what he campaigned on. If you have followed Trump every single day for years, he's been talking about the tariffs decades ago on Oprah. He was talking about the tariffs. He ran on securing the board.

He said, we don't need this big package. All we need is a new president. The border is more secure than ever. He ran on getting men out of women's sports. So what does he do one of his first weeks in office? Beautiful executive order surrounded by all the young women. Incredible day. The executive order.

to get men out of women's sports. So I think the left, their heads are reeling because they're just so used to lying and giving empty promises to the public. And he came in and said, this is what I ran on. I'm going to do what I ran on. And I have nothing to lose because I'm one term and I've been through hell to get here. So all of you can F off. That, I think, is President Trump's mindset. OK, speaking of leftist empty vapidity, Meghan Markle.

is out there with some medical advice. She's giving medical advice now. Yeah, Link. And she had on... Confessions of a Female Founder, her podcast. I'm a founder, just in case you didn't know. She had on Beyonce's mother. And here we go into Dr. Meghan Markle. Watch. My allergies are. Oh, no. Do you eat local honey? That can help. You know, I used to, and it really does work.

I have to get back to that. You have to get back on that because I just, the other day, one of Archie's little friends at school, this little girl has such bad allergies. And I said, hold on a minute. We have bees. Let me give you a jar of our honey for allergies. Helpful because the local, you know, if it's local honey. Yes. Get that, all the pollen, all the same things in your system, and then it desensitizes allergies. But I'm sorry. Oh, well, thank you. That's no fun.

How weird is it that she kept that in, first of all, when your guest starts having some sort of a sneezing or coughing attack and you're on tape? The reason she kept that in and left Beyonce's mother's hacking in there for her audience is because she thinks it makes her look empathetic. and super smart to spew her bullshit nonsense about honey, which, by the way, there's been studies on this, and she's wrong, shockingly. But, you know, Dr. Meghan Markle's got all the answers, Link.

She's a jack of all trades. She can't do anything well, but she tries to do everything. That is Meghan Markle. So no, she acts like she invented Manuka honey or some of these homeopathic remedies. Also, there's just this undertone of elitism.

to everything Meghan Markle does. Because how many times recently have we had to see videos and pictures of this farm she has for bees on her property and she has her beekeeper outfit she really wants to remind us every single day that she has bees she's mother nature she's down home mother of the earth we are sick of hearing about it you know what i'm saying we're tired

seeing her in her beekeeper costume and it's like can't you get any outfits that look good on you how come the beekeeper outfit is the most perfectly form-fitting outfit you own, everything else is wrinkled and misshapen and two sizes too big. So no, I would not be taking medical advice from Meghan Markle whatsoever. Only we had found her during Maha. Only if we had found her on the campaign. She would have been a great surrogate.

Literally, this person was saying that she was seriously considering suicide a couple of years ago because some of the royal family were mean to her. I don't think we should be looking to her for any sort of wellness advice or counsel whatsoever. notion you're right so right about the elitism thing because it's like in her stupid show that they're pretending got renewed by netflix um as ever with love whatever it is um she's she's like constantly saying Have you been to your local beekeeper?

No, I haven't been in my local. No, literally nobody's been to their local beekeeper. We have jobs. We have kids. We have things that actually keep us busy that stop us from a having our own beehive and B if we don't go into.

our local beekeeper for anything. I'm lucky if I can get to the Acme. I think I speak for everyone. No, absolutely. There's just this undertone of elitism and something she never talks about because we don't see them on camera. She has a full staff, okay? She has a full staff.

staff and she only has two kids it's not like she's raising the brady bunch here she doesn't need 15 andes and drivers and chauffeurs but she has this full entire staff she has a farm for bees she has another property that's not even her home that she just goes to film the show in

So then she tries to opine and tell us how to live our lives. You're full of crap, Meghan Markle. But I think this is Meghan Markle's journey. Just keep becoming more and more out of touch. But remind us that you grew up over a garage with no money in Compton. Yeah, you really changed.

It's always these people who can flip overnight. But I think Meghan Markle become more and more out of touch because it's just insane and it gives us good fodder to talk about. Yeah, it's true. I don't want to stand in her way for one minute. You go, girl. You go, founder.

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That's when the world witnessed a biologically male boxer pummel a female boxer. It took only 46 seconds for the woman to withdraw from the fight, which was supposed to be between two women. The female boxer then fell to her knees through her helmet yelling, this is unjust. Later telling the media, I've never taken a punch like that. It was a prime example of what female athletes from high school all the way to the Olympics are up against when the powers that be cower to rabid gender activists.

The male boxer is Algeria's Imeen Khalif. Here is what we said on this show just hours after that fight ended. With the whole world watching, we have just witnessed a biological woman, also known as just a woman. In a fight with a boxer who was not allowed to compete against women last year because it's a man. The person's splitting hairs. Everyone's splitting hairs around this person saying, well, you know.

He has XY chromosomes, but I guess we can't call him a man because he calls himself a woman. I don't give a shit. You have XY chromosomes. You're a man. Khalif had been disqualified from the 2023 Women's World Championships for failing chromosome testing. Another male boxer at the Women's Games, Lin-Yu Ting from Taiwan, also failed the same test. Some had speculated that they were intersex, meaning they have male chromosomes, they have male internal organs, but they might have a vagina.

breasts. They would never have a period because they don't have a uterus. They don't have ovaries and they are genetically male, which includes male advantage. That's why a main Caliph looks. just like a man, is as large as a man, has the testosterone and body strength and limb length and wingspan of a man.

Okay, no one cares what's actually between his legs. We're talking about fairness and safety. All right, but no one would publicly discuss it. In fact, Khalif is adamant that he is 100% a woman. saying during the games, I am a woman like any other woman. He has called anyone questioning that enemies of success.

These guys were both able to get into the Olympics, even though the International Olympic Committee knew that they had been barred from the championships for testing positive for XY chromosomes. They are not XX. That's female. XX is female. XY is male. The IOC said the pair had competed in the 2021 Tokyo Olympics as women. And after all, their passports state that they are female.

competing in the women's category is participating along following, complying with the competition eligibility rules. They are women in their passports and it's stated that. that that is the case, that they are female. Well, the passport says it must be true. An Olympic boxing trainer in Spain came forward to reveal that Khalif was considered too dangerous for women to fight in that country.

saying, quote, whoever we put Khalif with was injured. The tests, the warnings, all ignored by the IOC, and both men went on to win gold medals. The female Olympians, after years of incredibly hard work and devotion to the sport, basically told, we don't give a damn. Just stop your crying. In fact, the female boxer Khalif took down in just 46 seconds later came out and said she felt sorry for him and apologized.

for not shaking his hand after the match. Such was the pressure on everyone in her sport and those commenting on it to take a knee on this issue and just accept this is a female. At the same time, Many took aim at this show for daring to speak the truth. The Daily Show, directly taking aim at yours truly and my womanhood. Seems pretty open and shut to me.

Right. She was born a woman, lives as a woman and boxes other women. So what is the argument against that? This is such an outrage. Look at this. This is a man. This is a man who is competing in the boxing tournament for women. No, she's not. She's a woman. She's a woman like you, Megyn Kelly. A woman at the peak of her career, unlike Megyn Kelly, but she... Okay. I literally have no idea who that person is. So fine. The leftist outlet salon. Love that segment.

Instead of doing any real reporting of its own, the outlet just wrote up an article declaring The Daily Show calls out Megyn Kelly for misgendering Olympic boxer. I didn't misgender him at all. Media Matters, also taking aim at this show, writing a headline, Megyn Kelly misgenders, Olympic boxer, Ameen Khalif. And listen to this segment on The Young Turks, where yours truly was labeled garbage person of the week.

Simply for telling the truth. My garbage person of the week is Megyn Kelly. And in the extended commentary, both Carrie, which you saw, and Megyn Kelly intentionally misgender Amani Khalif. like a month after they know that Imani Khalif is a woman. Objectively, according to all of their weirdly specific definitional requirements, is a woman.

has always been a woman, will always be a woman. And they're still misgendering her a month later. They know that their audiences are all men. And they're men that want to see these women. attack and demean and belittle other women. Literally not one word of that is right. Right. Not one word. Again, another person I've never seen or heard of, but the list of attacks did not end there. The media took aim at anyone.

in conservative media telling the truth about these two boxers. Former ESPN anchor Jemele Hill writing on X, I hope Khalif sues some people over their reckless remarks. All this story did was expose ugliness, hatred, and transphobia. Hill then went on CNN, where she and one of the network's hosts, Laura Coates, continued to stand up for Khalif. People jumped the gun on this before knowing the full-

story. Conservative right being at the top of the list are weaponizing trans women in the trans community and using that as part of their ongoing culture wars, that there is certainly a... huge issue with transphobia in our country. All it boiled down to was that the woman that she competed again realized after getting hit.

she couldn't compete. And rather than accept that gracefully as a competitor, she chose to weaponize this further by crying. There was nothing unjust about it. I mean, to be frank, you just got your butt beat. And that's the end of what happened. If you want to protect women and daughters, she is a woman. She is somebody's daughter. And she's a woman in sports. And it gets conjured up that old statement, ain't I a woman?

This is unbelievable. It's unbelievable that the cover that these women ran for a main caliph who is male. The list goes on and it's long. All right. Just listen. ESPN analyst, Mina Kimes. shared a similar message. This story has reached thermonuclear levels of BS and grift fueled hate. Of course, Megan Rapinoe, soccer star.

naturally came to a man's defense in female sports. Now that she's made her millions, she doesn't give a shit about the young girls and others coming up behind her. Reportedly sharing a post by Edge of Sports that read, Khalif deserves so much better than this tsunami of racism, misogyny, misogyny and transphobia being heaped upon her by a coterie of fascists, right wingers and useful idiots. The New York Times writing in a headline boxer in controversy over eligibility. Let's.

Her gloves do the talking. Wired. Which was the absolute worst. For some reason, they decided their background in tech enabled them to declare once and for all whether someone is a man or a woman. And of course, not surprisingly, they got it wrong. They tweeted. Imane Khalif has always defined herself as a woman and has every right to compete. USA Today called it an unhinged controversy.

Bloomberg called it all a manufactured controversy. The Intercept deemed it nothing more than quote, a right wing campaign to purge women from women's sports. The Associated Press managed to bring race into the controversy. writing, quote, for female athletes of color, scrutiny around gender rules and identity is part of a long trend. So now you're a racist if you identify someone with X, Y chromosomes as male.

After the gold medal win, Khalif was then showered with attention, appearing on the cover of Vogue Arabia, going to Milan Fashion Week and sitting front row at the Bottega Veneta show. Vogue writing up an article about it that read. For her foray into high fashion, the gold medalist donning a mustard yellow button-up leather shacket, which is apparently a thing.

along with a pair of black leather trousers. While she left her medal at home, Khalif wore a pair of the Italian house's viral drop earrings in gold, of course. So that is a long windup for what I'm about to tell you. Nearly a year after Khalif took gold, stole gold, leaked lab results confirm Khalif is male. The lab results, the ones that got Khalif banned.

from the 2023 World Championships were obtained and published by Three Wire Sports. It is the premier Olympics-focused media outlet. It's run by former NBC and LA Times reporter Alan Abrahamson. Abrahamson came forward last year, you see, during the Olympics to say, look, I personally have seen these test results for a main Caliph that showed Caliph was male. But no one cared. No one would listen to him. We did. Because unlike most in the media.

We interviewed Abraham's son back in August regarding what he, an eyewitness first person to those test results, had seen. Watch. And then it says result. It says abnormal. And then it says evidence of male karyotype. So a karyotype refers to your chromosomal evidence. And here it says male, with a capital M, male. Oh, you mean the passport wasn't the final source? We shouldn't have trusted it? Gee, tell it to Mark Adams of the IOC. Now, here is what is new. Abraham's son has now actually...

published the results. They state exactly what he said they did on this show. Quote, analysis reveals male karyotype, which means XY chromosomes, a male. Abrahamson is also reporting that Khalif is being told by World Boxing that he must take a chromosome test to prove eligibility before returning to competition. Khalif is hoping to compete in a boxing match next week, but no test, no match.

As for Lin Yuting, last November, the boxer pulled out of an international competition in the UK after the organizers questioned his gender eligibility. Both of these two, when actually pressed... saying you can't compete because you appear to be a male, have not challenged it. What does that tell you? What does that tell you? And what about Khalif's gold medal? Will he be forced to give it back? He should. However, there are zero rumblings.

of that actually happening. And Khalif has said he plans to defend his Olympic gold when the games return to Los Angeles in 2028. He wants all the women's golds, all of them in boxing. And he's not worried about President Trump's stance on men competing in female sports, because in March, Khalif told ITV, a media outlet in the UK, quote, the US president issued a decision related to transgender policies in America.

I'm not transgender. This does not concern me and it does not intimidate me. Completely skirting the issue that he appears to be intersex. And irrespective of exactly what his particular gender problem is, he's a biological male, which is the problem. Separately, the IOC is about to get a new president. Zimbabwean Christy Coventry set to take over the job on June 23rd. She's been vocal in her support for a blanket ban on men competing in female sports at the games. However.

She was part of the IOC executive board that allowed Khalif and Lynn Uten to compete in the first place, knowing what they already knew about world boxing and them being banned. So to all the female boxers. training for the next Olympics, you better find your voices now to stop it or lace up your gloves and get ready for a quick and easy and likely dangerous knockout.

Joining me now, Stephen A. Smith, ESPN host and also the host of his own digital show, The Stephen A. Smith Show. Stephen A., great to have you back. It's good to see you, Megan. What do you make of me and Khalif? Great to see you, too. First of all, your opening monologue was absolutely spot on. Way to go. There's no disagreement here. You know, the facts are the facts. And, you know, he has XY chromosome. That's what the tests show. What you had been saying originally was right on point.

And there's a lot of people that owe you an apology. I appreciate where you were coming from, but I also love the fact that you kept receipts and you pointed out folks that were talking a lot of smack about you. Because the reality is, is that when we saw in swimming, for example, with Leah Thompson.

and how he transitioned into being a woman and competing and swimming and ultimately won a national championship when it was hard for him to be ranked in the top 300 or 400 in the world when you were competing against him. males for crying out loud. If there is a disadvantage in swimming, if there is a disadvantage in something like volleyball or whatever, or basketball, what in God's name makes anybody think there wouldn't be a decisive disadvantage for females?

born female in a boxing ring. That is a violent sport. That is a pugilistic sport. And so the level of sensitivity that you've articulated about this subject, I certainly never disagreed with you on it. But the points that you've made in your opening monologue, how on point you were and how you kept receipts. people who attacked you personally for saying what you had said when in fact the facts have borne out and have shown that you are on point more so than they do if they're adults.

They will come on and they'll re-air those tapes themselves and they'll say she's right. Megyn Kelly was right. I owe her an apology. That's not Stephen A saying it because I don't owe you an apology for that because I never disagreed with you to begin with. You had me on the show at that time discussing it. And I stand with you on that. You're absolutely right. One thousand percent.

It's crazy because it's one thing to see these men running in track meets and clearly they're faster than the women and they can jump higher than the women to no one's surprise. But it's another thing entirely to see them competing in. Rugby or ice hockey or field hockey or... Physical sports. Boxing, for God's sake. If we're going to allow that, we'll allow anything.

Yeah, think about it. What if Ronda Rousey, when she was fighting in the UFC, had to go up against a Conor McGregor or somebody? How would that have looked? She would have gotten killed. Yes, she would have. And so you have to look at things from that standpoint.

I remember one time she joked around. I have so much respect for her and what she brought to the octagon, you know, in her star-studded days before she ultimately went on a loser streak and ultimately retired from the sport. I remember one time she was talking about fighting Floyd Money. Mayweather. And I was like, pump the brakes now.

Calm down. Now let's let's let's let's pump the brakes and calm down. This is this is something a little bit extra. You're talking about one of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport. All right. Who's around your weight class and he's a man. He will do some things to you. Yeah. You know, before you could think.

about grabbing him, there's things he could do. So let's be careful about stuff like that. But people laughed about it and they shrugged it off, not recognizing the fact that you had individuals within the transgender community that were looking to partake in such actions.

of you know being in a boxing ring or being on a basketball court or being in a swimming competition or what have you you're male or you're female and a lot of times i think that as a black man one of the things that i i religiously point to megan is that it's one thing for people for us to fight on behalf of every human being for their civil rights, their civil liberties, and the right to be left alone. But people in today's day and age act like you have to be liked.

You know, and as a black man, I expect not to be liked by people sometimes, not just because of the color of my skin, but because they may not like my personality or whatever. I don't walk around looking for approval. I'm sure you don't. We do what we do. And a lot of times you see people from different communities. whether it would be an ethnic community or to be something else where they're looking and demanding acceptance, not just approval, but acceptance. And that's not the real world.

You know, your civil liberties and your right to live your life and be what you want to be. I said this the other day on television, if I remember correctly. I said, hey, you know what? You're a transgender athlete. Compete against other transgender athletes. How about that? You ain't the only person that's transitioning that might want to be in a boxing ring. Find enough of them.

And compete against one another. Let the ladies compete against the ladies. Let the males compete against the males. And let the transgenders compete against the transgenders. We understand it. It's no problem. It's no big deal. Do it that way. And I think that, you know, that just went in the folks ear and then out the other. But.

I'm pointing to fairness where there's no discrepancy. There's nothing up in the air making you wonder about the fairness of the competition. And we also live in a society where for so long we've highlighted.

How women have been mistreated and I'm not just talking about stuff like domestic violence and things that is obvious But also in terms of just fairness title 9 for example exists for a reason well How do we pay so much attention to that to get stuff implemented legislatively and what have you and then turn around and ignore that with something like this?

it makes no sense because i'm thinking about the young ladies out there who have protested who have felt it was grossly unfair to them to have to compete under such circumstances and the same women we supposedly want to protect so much the same ladies we're ignoring when they're making salient points about who they're going up against and how unfair the competition is. I don't understand it. Let me ask you something as a sports guy. Yes.

You tell me, like, Caitlin Clark is said to be like a Michael Jordan of women's basketball. Steph Curry. Steph Curry. She's a real good—she's a really great shooter. Yeah. All right. So if you took the actual Steph Curry and— put him up against Caitlin in a one-on-one contest where they both went at it with their all, with all their physical gifts and their gifts on the basketball court, what would happen?

Well, the likelihood is that she would lose, but it's less harmful because if, for example, Sabrina Unescu showed up all star weekend and she competed against Steph Curry in a three point shooting contest. Right. And it was a really ratings. and it was it was it when it came across very very well, but they were just shooting the basketball. I saw that I saw it and by the way she lost to Steph Curry.

But she had tied or beaten all the other males in terms of their score that they had registered before her and Steph Curry showed up on the court. So you're talking about shooting the basketball. It's not that big of a deal. But if you're talking about competing against one.

another, where physicality comes into play, the likelihood that she's going to be at a decisive disadvantage. And I'll give you another example. Dave Chappelle joked about this. He joked about this and the transgender community, if I recall, were up in arms about this. Dave Chappelle, the noted comedian, said, what if LeBron James, I'm paraphrasing here, what if LeBron James had decided to transition to being a woman? He'd average 800 points a game.

Who's going to stop them? You know, that's what he brought up. He said, so we think that we're being fair. We think that we're being OK with our thinking, but we're not taking it. into total consideration in terms of how it really really registers with us and so when somebody like you comes along and you're very very passionate about it and you're going at folks for okay in this stuff they want to attack you and i'm sitting there saying myself

You can't find something better to do. I mean, listen, Megyn Kelly's on a game, but you certainly ain't going to win this argument because we're watching and we see, I mean, who couldn't see that you were right. It was people who didn't want to see. And that's the real problem. You didn't want to see it, so you ignored the facts. And Megyn Kelly wanted to see it, and you have it.

It was like Biden's mental infirmity. We saw it. You didn't need an expert. You didn't need a medical diagnosis. You didn't need Tapper and Thompson with the big revealing book. You just needed eyes and ears. Same thing with this male boxer. It was very obvious taking a look at him. I do want to just mention this to the audience. They know this story, but it's just so telling. After my daughter was misinformed by her teacher that there are only 10.

of these trans athletes competing in women's sports which is not true i wrote her a very long note setting the record straight and giving her the actual facts so she would not be misled by this person with an agenda. And at the end of the note, I included the following because it's true. In 1998.

Serena and Venus Williams said they could beat any male player outside of the top 200 men. Karsten Brosch ranked 203rd in the world, and they were in the top 10, both of them at the time, in the women's. Took up the challenge. and easily beat both sisters, 6-1, 6-2. He crushed them. In 2017, the U.S. women's national soccer team agreed to play a Dallas-Texas under-15 boys team.

under 15. So we're talking about 14 year olds. These must be eighth graders, um, and lost. Okay. The U S women's national soccer team lost five. to two against a bunch of 14 year olds. It happened again in 2023 when a group of 18 to 20 year old men, amateurs, beat a collection of women's all-star, former national players 5-0.

There's just no question that male advantage in sport is real. And if we continue pretending, especially in the contact sports, that it isn't, I'm telling you, it's just a matter of time before a woman gets killed. It's just a matter of time. Well, first of all, again, you're absolutely right. Clarissa Shields is a fabulous boxer. Layla Ali, the wonderful, marvelous daughter of the late, great Muhammad Ali, was a marvelous fighter.

You don't want to put them in the ring with a male in their weight class to box. That would be a problem. You know, there's no question about that. And you have to take that into consideration as well. And in terms of what your daughter was informed about. That statement about no less than 10 transgender athletes, that statement came directly from the president of the NCAA at the time, just so you know.

No, I'm aware. I'm aware, which is also not right, because also, and this is another thing that we discussed, the the an LGBTQ group actually came out with the numbers. And first of all, they said. that out sports said, if anything, the numbers of trans athletes in the NCAA are being understated because a lot of them are not out.

as trans. They don't want to be out because they don't want to be the next Amin Khalif or Leah Thomas. They just want to win the medals quietly pretending to be women. And the schools are only too happy to let them because a lot of these schools enjoy the fact that They're beneficiaries of the male advantage that the men can win more easily than the women. And these schools are like, great, it's just another gold medal for us. But then it goes on to say that.

My note, when I did my research, UCLA School of Law put out these estimates in just this past February 2025. We estimate that there are as many as 122,000. Transgender youth ages 13 to 14. I didn't know that. Who could be participating in high school level team athletics. 122,000. So, which would explain all we've seen this past weekend alone in California and in Oregon and Washington state. And I'd even mention, listen to this one, Minnesota, uh, a girl softball team.

which could not win, Stephen A. They thought that this team was, like, cursed. Champlin Park. Well, guess what? They're now headed to the state tournament for the first time. Yay, everybody's so excited. How did it happen? I'll tell you how it happened. There is a pitcher who goes by Marissa, who is a man. His actual name is Charlie Dean. He now goes by Melissa Rothenberger. Here he is pitching and crushing it.

Now this guy is going to carry Champlin Park all the way to the state tournament. And here for the first time ever here, by the way, he pitched all seven innings in both games. It was a 14. It was 14 shutout innings against the defending state champions that this guy pitched. And here's the coverage from the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The ending could scarcely have been more fitting. The Champlain Park softball team.

Perennial bridesmaids for most of the past decade finally scaled a hump that had grown mountainous, leaning on the right arm of lanky junior pitcher Marissa Rothenberger to defeat Rogers 1-0 in the Class 4A. Section 5 championship on Thursday, Rothenberger was masterful. What's missing from the coverage? The fact that this is a boy posing as a girl with all the male advantage that comes to any boy. Of course, he was masterful.

I knew nothing of that story. Shame on me. What I would tell you is that had I been the one covering that story, it would have been a lot different than what you just read. because of what you highlighted. It's a boy. And this is the thing that I think is very, very important for us to understand, Megan. You have folks out there from the transgender community.

and those who support the transgender community that are looking at subject matters like this as an indictment against them, instead of seeing it the way that I see it, and I think the way that you see it. which is pointing out how unfair it is to the young ladies competing against them. And so when we bring it home to that point, that's where our sensitivity needs to elevate.

There are a bunch of young ladies out there in the world of sports, born ladies, naturally they're female, and they've worked their tails off to compete. We have laws like Title IX in effect to ensure that fairness and equity is accorded to these young ladies. And then all of a sudden, this kind of issue has come about.

where that's being circumvented and the people that are circumventing the rules are finding a way or folks are finding a way to make them look like victims instead of the young ladies who are having their level of competition compromised because they're not going up against other young ladies. It doesn't matter whether it's 10, 100, 120, 200, whatever. What matters is that it shouldn't happen.

Males should compete against males. Females should compete against females. Transgenders should compete against transgenders. It's just that simple because that's what you're talking about, fairness and equity and competition. Let's take gambling into consideration.

were in a position where you had the prowess as an athlete to dictate an outcome and you gambled on your own sport or gambled against your team or whatever it was to compromise competition, you'd be banned because the issue of competition comes raining through. It's very prolific. It's very potent. You can't do that because anything that compromises competition in any way threatens to compromise the overall integrity of the sport.

If we're thinking that way about issues like that, how could you not think about that with issues like this? It makes no sense. You know, today, before we came on the air, I was on X and I saw a video. You probably know this. this story, but I have no idea. I don't follow sports as you know, but it was a guy at like the triple a league level in baseball who played for, he had a shirt that, that read Tacoma. So I guess he's Tacoma, Washington. And he was,

notified by the coach of his team that he wasn't going to be there the next day because he'd been called up to the big show to go play for Seattle. And it was just this really sweet moment as sports, as you know, like. this is the stuff that can draw somebody like me into sports where, you know, somebody who's worked that hard makes it, they make it, you know, and you see them like stunned.

When he gets the news, he's been called up and every guy on the team is giving him a huge hug and a high five. They're all so happy for him. This is like all of their dream. And that to me, like separate and apart from the fact that somebody is going to get hurt or worse. And the fact that it's just not fair to make them compete against somebody who has so many advantages that they don't have. I just feel like you're denying these girls the glorious joy of winning, of excellence, of being...

the one to get that tap on the shoulder. Not having to share the top podium. You know what I mean? That's fair because it's what you play for. And that's what makes us love sports, right? You explain it to me. Part of the joy of watching sports is to see that moment. Not everybody's a winner. Not participation trophy. There are real, actual winners that show who's best.

I give you an example that's, that's, that's closer to home. So I, I think it was 2017 was the year. It was a trash can controversy in baseball. And essentially, the Houston Astros was in the postseason, Major League Baseball. They're going against the Yankees. And then ultimately, they're going against the Dodgers.

you know when they capture the championship they what they would do is they would make these sounds megan on on the trash can to give you an indication of what pitch was being thrown or what happened they would like give you a heads up

And so it was acknowledged, but you had people thinking that their championship should have been confiscated. You had a New York Yankees team that thought they would have been in the World Series. You had a Dodgers team that thought they should have been the champions. Okay. And that.

their level of success was compromised because somehow, some way, it gave them an unfair advantage. My only point in bringing that up, you can bring up trash cans, you can bring up gambling, you can bring up performance enhancing drug use. Anything, and I mean anything that we deem in our society that compromises fair competition is called out. It's condemned.

which is why for the life of me i couldn't understand how when you were going off about khalif in the boxing ring and and remember she hit he she hit her

Her competitor would one shot, one shot, and she said, uh-uh, this is not normal. I've never been hit like that before. Now... in fairness i've seen mailboxes like when george foreman the late great george foreman god rest his soul he hit some people i mean they ain't never been hit like that either and they were males i mean one time joe frazier turned around and ran from him and he knocked him upside literally on the top of his head and dropped him

about six, seven times. Okay. Nobody's one of the most powerful punches in the history of boxing. So we understand that. But clearly you're looking at... Khalif, and you're seeing somebody who looks male. You're seeing somebody that feels like she's a male. You have a competitor going against us, swearing she was a male. You called it out, and then...

the evidence has proven that you were right. My point is all of these little things that you could point to are things that we wholeheartedly condemn in sports. Anything that compromises legitimate competition, we called out. So I don't understand for the life of me how a whole bunch of people were against you on this issue.

When you look and you saw what you saw. I don't get it. I really, really don't. It doesn't make sense. It's ideology. It's an attempt by some to be empathetic. But it's like, where's your empathy for the girls? Where's your empathy for the women who are in danger?

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You would think after all of the waves, Kate Baldwin, after the last few months, the first five months of the Donald Trump presidency, that you'd expect that Democrats would have this massive lead on the economy. It ain't so. It ain't so. The party that is closest to your economic views, in November of 2023, it was the Republicans by 11 points. Now it's still within that range, still within that margin of error.

plus eight-point advantage for the Republican Party. How is that possible, Democrats? How is that possible after all the recession fears, after the stock market's been doing all of this, after all the terrorists that Americans are against, and Republicans still hold an eight-point lead on the economy?

Are you kidding me? Take a look at Reuters Ipsos. What do we see here? Party with a better economic plan. Well, in May of 2024, Republicans had a nine-point advantage. Look at where we are now in May of 2025. The advantage actually went up by three points. Now Republicans have a 12-point advantage when it comes to the party with a better economic plan.

Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show. Here with me now, Stephen A. Smith, host of The Stephen A. Smith Show. So Trump's numbers are going up across the board. Republicans' numbers are going up when it comes to the economy, which was... A shocker, you could see there, to the CNN team. Love that, Harry Enten. But they thought it would go down because of the tariffs and all the...

coverage of Trump on the economy so far has been negative, saying he doesn't know what he's doing and why isn't he fighting prices. Meanwhile, inflation's down. I think it's 2.3% now. In any event, what do you make of the turn in fortunes for him? We talked about in the first hour, Trafalgar. now has him up eight percentage points in his approval rating to a net of 54%, which he's never hit before.

Well, to me, it's an indictment against the Democratic Party. And I think that a lot of times people are looking at me, Megan, and they're saying, well, you know what, he's just attacking Democrats or what have you. And I said, it's not just that simple. I'm going to tell you this, Megan, and I never had this conversation with you before, but I think that what people don't realize is that as a black man, you do find yourself getting offended at.

What we've seen from the Democratic Party. So since 1964, since you had Civil Rights Act and then ultimately the Voting Rights Act and then, you know, fair housing in 1968 and stuff like that. We heard quotes supposedly purportedly from Lyndon B. Johnson at the time that, you know what, we passed this in the law. We'll have the Negroes voting for us for the next.

200 years well it's been over 50 over 60 actually and for the most part they've been right and so when you i've often said this Because we've been so transparent in our support for the Democratic Party.

There's a reason why the Black community, by and large, has been considered disenfranchised. Because on one hand, we have a party that takes us for granted because they know they're going to get our vote and they never really, really had to cater to us. And on the other side, we've alienated a party.

Who, by the way, played a role in pushing civil rights and voting rights legislation and the law in the 60s. And we basically said we basically said to hell with you. So as a result, they turned around and said, we're not going to have their support anyway.

You have one party taking us for granted. You have another party assuming they'll never get our support and we get no representation. What I like about what's transpiring right now with Trump's ascension or return to the White House, what I do like about what has transpired. inspired is that it's put the Democratic Party in a position where you no longer get to take us or various communities for granted. You got to go out there and earn our vote. You can't get moralistic and sit on your sanctum.

and acting as if you're above reproach. I watched you, and I've watched you interview many, many people. And again, I don't agree with you 100% of the time. I don't expect you to agree with me 100% of the time. But I respect the hell out of your integrity and what you bring to your show every day, and I watch it every day.

chance i get to be quite honest with you because i'm always learning something but i love how you are not afraid to hold people accountable on a personal level in terms of how they make you feel about things that they say the policies that they push forth the things that they've tried to implement and that's what i'm paying attention to now do i like doge with elon musk and his sore and what he was and how he was i don't like that visual i don't i i sense a a flagrant level of insensitivity to

federal employees and others who rely on those jobs and what have you. But with $37 trillion in debt, there is no question that waste, fraud, etc. exists and it needed to be addressed. Did he do the right things? Did he point out the right targets? I don't know. History will show us whether he was accurate in doing so or not. We're looking at Trump.

His war on tariffs. I told you from Jump Street, Megan, I didn't like that. I didn't like the fact that he was going after everybody. Go out to China. Go out to China. Go out to China. But don't turn allies into enemies that could potentially side with China. He made me nervous with that. Now, again, I don't know. It's what I was seeing and saying.

Wait a minute, I'm a bit worried here. Don't know if this is accurate or not. But then when I see so many pundits from the left and they're talking about how awful all of this was, I took the liberty of just looking at some things and I'm saying, you know what? You're not going to cut.

but so much into spending. When it's $37 trillion in debt, you're creating new jobs. You got $8 trillion in commitments from corporations, okay? You got oil that's, you know, we're drilling here in the States, as they say. There's a plethora of...

other things that's taking place that are going to contribute to the economy, that's going to contribute to other people being employed. This is what we're hoping for. If it doesn't work, I'll be up here saying it didn't work. I think Megyn Kelly will be up here saying it didn't work, damn it. But we can't knock them for trying. Because what was the other side doing?

building debt and while you were doing so you were trying to guilt us into voting for you by throwing as much haterade as possible on that guy instead of highlighting instead of highlighting for us what made you the better candidate. And when I think about it from that perspective, I get really, really upset. And I know a lot of Black folks and a lot of minorities in this country who get very, very upset because we want to get to a point where...

Your policy against their policy. What's best for America? What you got? And we're not seeing that. And as a result, Trump's able to come in there and say to hell with all of y'all. This is what I'm going to do. And there's little than anybody can say until we show us fails. They can't stick with a haterade forever. You know, every once in a while you need some nice tea. That's right. However, we're getting something very different still from top Democrats like Tim Walz.

who has got a different plan for the Democrats to improve on these numbers. And here is part of it. Sat 17. Called out on this because I called Donald Trump a wannabe dictator. It's because he is. It's because he is. The governor's being mean and the governor's speaking out on that. Well, maybe it's time for us to be a little meaner. Maybe it's time for us to be a little more fierce.

We have to ferociously push back on this. And again, I'll speak to my teacher colleagues in here. The thing that bothers a teacher more than anything is to watch a bully, to watch this bully and to stop it. And when it's a child. You talk to them. And you tell them why bullying's wrong. But when it's adult like Donald Trump, you bully the shit out of him back. You push back. You make sure they know it's not there. Because at heart...

This is a weak, cruel man that takes it out and punches down on people. Here we go again, Stephen A. He's a wannabe dictator. You need to bully the shit out of him. We need to be meaner. We need to be fierce, which is literally like a word that my young children rejected about three years ago. I don't mind. I don't mind, Megan, to be honest with you, as long as you have policies to back it up. Because you see...

We can talk about Donald Trump bloviating all we want to. And by the way, I don't like him suing media and going after folks and feeling as if you're compelled to agree with him and to not insult him. Otherwise, he's going to target you. I do think that's petty from time to time.

And I do think that he should be better than that. But in the same breath, if I'm looking at you and I'm saying, like I told you, I wrote stuff down. This is a big, beautiful new deal and all of this other stuff. Well, guess what? $8 trillion in pledge U.S. jobs, tax cuts on small businesses, fair trade, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, makes 2017, you know, tax breaks are permanent, deregulation, no more green energy subsidies. These are the kind of things that I just wrote down.

wrong about anything that i said megan please tell me and i'll correct myself but when i hear that i'm like okay i don't like how he acts sometimes. I don't like how juvenile he comes across sometimes. But I know it's more important that I hear that, what I just read off to you. I know it's more important to the American citizen. I know it's more important to the voter.

What do you have to offer if you're the other side? See, that's the whole point. We're fierce. Well, listen, you talk about being fierce. Well, you just got your ass kicked in the election. Okay, I mean, I don't really want to hear that. Kamala Harris was literally out there last week in Australia saying, I eat no for breakfast. Okay, you were delivered no on a silver platter by the American voters. And here's the deal. But this is what they're holding on to.

He got 49.8% of the vote. We got 48.3. We only lost by one and a half percentage points, and neither side got 50% of the vote. So guess what? It's not a mandate. The man won young voters. He got more black voters. He got more young voters. He won every swing state. He won the popular vote for the Republican Party for the first time since 2004. I mean, Dan, what do you need in order for there to be labeled a mandate? I don't understand it.

But nevertheless, in a loss, to reflect upon the loss and to talk about pushing back, pushing back, pushing back on them. That's all you got. And oh, by the way, if that is what you really, really feel. How come you didn't do it during the campaign?

How come you didn't do it when you were on the debate stage versus J.D. Vance? I mean, if there was ever a kumbaya moment in politics, it was him against J.D. Vance. I mean, they did everything but hug and kiss one another. I mean, this is what was going on. They even parodied. it on Saturday Night Live. I mean, this is how funny it was. And so when you're looking at it from that standpoint, where was all of that?

when you had the ear of the Democratic presidential nominee that is Kamala Harris. Where was all of that then? We don't want... I respect... uh uh uh tim walsh you're the governor of minnesota i get what you bring to the table whatever that may be god bless you but you had an opportunity to make all of this noise before and if you missed out on it

We certainly don't want to hear from you now that in sports parlance, Megan, that is the equivalent of losing the championship by getting swept and then going to talk shit about the opponent. How'd that work? You had an opportunity to beat him. They ran by calling Trump a dictator, comparing him to a Nazi, calling him Hitler. Like how much meaner do they think they should get? I don't understand where. Where's the extra room for them to get even meaner, a little meaner, more fierce?

to bully the shit out of him. How do you do that in a way that they didn't already do that? I don't know how you're going to do that, but more importantly, I don't know why you would think that would work considering. how we've shown you we felt about you during the the election even people like me who voted for her i voted i didn't like his incivility i thought the presidency was a statesmanship position but in the same breath i was hopeful that she would be somebody

that would work across the aisle and that you would be able to police some things that was going on on the left. I regret that, okay? Not to say that I would vote for him, but I certainly don't like the thought of voting for her. This is such a fun thread.

We only have 16 seconds left, so we've got to put a pin in this one and pick it back up the next time because I'm running out of time. We have to pick it back up another time, no doubt about that. But I don't like what I'm seeing from the left. I really, really don't.

Well, you should be very happy that that vote did not put her in office because, my God, I don't know what we'd be facing right now, but we dodged that bullet. Very happy. I get you. Stephen A. Smith, a pleasure as always. Thanks for being here. My pleasure, Megan. You take care of yourself, all right? Talk to you soon. All right, you too. We're back tomorrow with Next Up Hope, host Mark Halperin, along with his morning meeting crew. That'll be fun. Tune in for that.

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