Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey everyone on Megyn Kelly, welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and this weekend, Best of Special. We had a busy week on the show, beginning on Labor Day, on Monday, with a special edition of the program and my interview with four brave veterans who served our
country. They spoke out together for the first time about the man who was the leader of their National Guard Unit in Minnesota, Tim Walsh, who decided to retire conveniently right before the unit was deployed to Iraq. I also spoke with our pal Glenn Greenwald about what we're seeing from the Democratic Party when it comes to censorship of those whose opinions they don't much like, like former President Donald Trump, but also those on
the Dems side, like Jill Stein and Tulsi Gabbard. She's now registered independent, but they didn't like her when she was an outspoken Democrat either. Matt Walsh of The Daily Wire was with me as well this week for the first interview about his new movie out next week called Am I Racist? You will see exclusive clips and enjoy this interview immensely. The film is hilarious. It's going to make major waves when it hits theaters this week,
head ahead of the curve by watching this interview. And I spoke with the host of the Real Clear Politics podcast and series XM show about the Kamala Harris campaign still whining about the debate rules for Tuesday's debate and more. These are the polling gurus. They know tons about elections and you will find them fascinating here as always. Enjoy and
we'll speak to you on Monday. Zuckerberg mentioned the pressure he was receiving over at Facebook from the government to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop saying it's one of the things he regrets doing. You still have some publications holding on to the fact to the to the lie that this could be Russian disinformation. Those 51 intelligence analysts
are still holding on to well, you never know. It's been verified. They can't admit their mistakes, but it's somewhat promising that you've got somebody like Zuckerberg saying, I see now I see what they did. And I see that I took the knee too fast. And you've got Elon standing up like these social media companies may be are finding their
spines. Kamala Harris has a long history of wanting to censor the internet, people on the internet who she finds objectionable, even people who happen to be president of the United States. Here she was back in October of 19 when Donald Trump was in the White House and she was mad about his so-called perfect phone call that led to his first impeachment. Listen to her. I know you wrote to the Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey, and asked him to
take away the president's Twitter handle his account. How is that not a violation of free speech? How would that not just be a slippery slope or they have to ban half of the people on Twitter? I've heard that argument, but here's the thing, Jake. First of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter is, does not have the, it has obligations. And in this case, Twitter has terms of use policy. And their terms of use dictate who receives the privilege of
speaking on that platform and who does not. And Donald Trump has clearly violated the terms of use. And there should be a consequence for that. I mean, think about that. Trying to get the president of the United States banned from expressing his views on one of the biggest public platforms we have, because she thinks this is an outside person at that point that he's violated the terms of use.
Well, Megal, when she ran for president and it was about six seconds because her campaign was such a failure in 2019 for the Democratic nomination, she made is one of her central planks, a demand that Donald Trump be banned from the internet. I remember very well. She was on a stage with people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. And she said, Senator Warren, I challenge you to support my argument that Donald Trump should be banned
from the internet. Even Elizabeth Warren was like, I don't know, that's kind of radical to ban the whole crisis. And remember, they, they did ban him. Twitter, Facebook, Google all got together after January 6th, and they forcibly banned the sitting president of the United States to the point that even the Western European countries who hated Trump said, this is alarming. This is scary. This should not be happening. Much
of the world reacted that way. And I think it, I think what, you know, it's sort of the thing where we're all inculcated from birth to believe that the United States is the home of freedom that one of the things that distinguishes us as free speech. But if you start gradually eroding that one incident after the next, after the next, you can get very, very far to a sort of authoritarian or tyrannical situation without really realizing that you're
there. When you have people talking about banning, obviously, they wanted to put their political opponent in prison. They wanted to ban him from the ballot. But the first step was let's ban him from the internet. Remember, these are the people saying, if you don't vote for us, democracy will die. And yet every single thing that is the hallmark of tyranny in other countries, but their political opponents is everything they've been trying to do. And in
2019, Kamala Harris led the way on that. That was how she tried to distinguish her political campaigning gained support among Democrats. Absolutely right. And here's that moment that you just referenced from that debate back in 2019, watch. Here we have Donald Trump, who has 65 million Twitter followers and is using that platform as the president of the United States to openly intimidate witnesses, to threaten witnesses, to obstruct justice. And he and his account should be taken down.
We saw in El Paso that that shooter in his manifesto was informed by how Donald Trump uses that platform. And this is a matter of corporate responsibility. Twitter should be held accountable and shut down that site. It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability. So, Lord, I don't just want to push Donald Trump off Twitter. I want to push him out of the White House. That's our job. But the way, join me in saying that his Twitter account
should be shut down. Let's figure out why it is that we have had laws on the book. She's like, okay, crazy lady from California. Even I'm not that nuts over here in Massachusetts. Yeah. Yeah. You know, this is, I mean, this is incredibly alarming. If you look at pulling out of Megan and you ask Americans, do you support either having big tech sensor the internet and the name of this information or the US government sensor the internet and the name
of internet and the name of this information, 75 to 80% of Democrats want not just big tech, but the government to regulate and censor the internet and the name of stopping disinformation, which is what George Orwell warned about the idea that the government becomes the minister of truth no longer allows free debate because they say this is truth. This is false. That's the basis of Brazil. Oh, Elon Musk is allowing opinions that are false. And therefore, that
spake news and illegal. One of the things Zuckerberg said about COVID was that so much of what he was being pressured by the US government by the Biden administration to censor about COVID not only was entirely debatable, meaning they wanted to censor things like it came from a lab leak. And he was saying, obviously, at the time, there was no proof on where the other people were debating it. They wanted to take down anything that might have come from
the lab leak. But he said, also they ended up sending demand and we censor things that turned out to be true about the efficacy of mass, the dangers of vaccines, the absurdity of social distancing. So there, if you, if it would be one thing, if the government were saying, we only want to censor things that are demonstrably false, that would still be bad enough. That's what we're warned about. But the censorship push is to censor things
that are true or that are debatable. They really do want an internet that is dissent-free, just like so much of their media is dissent-free. And what is more alarming than trying to turn the United States or any democracy into a system of closed information? It's crazy is a couple of the points you just mentioned are in the news today and on my
agenda to go over with you. But that's why this story about, you know, kicking it off with what's happening with Brazil and X and then Kamala's position on censorship is so important. It ties into so much of what's already happening in the United States. So the Russia thing, right? Like there's danger out there. And therefore, we must censor whether it's the Hunter Biden laptop, which was censored wrongly or, you know, these evil forces who
are trying to interfere with our election. Just Monday, this is in the news this week, the DNC called the Democratic, well, the Green Party presidential nominee a useful idiot for Russia, citing Jill Stein's upcoming event in Tampa in which she is expected to lend her support to three members of a black leftist group federally charged for allegedly acting as malign foreign agents of Putin's government, the quoting here from the bullwork dart dot com.
So they almost, they ignored this person for the better part of a year, Jill Stein. But now that she's doing this thing, they're coming out calling her a useful idiot for Russia. This is basically her own party. And this is what they did to Tulsi Gabbard too. When she became a threat to their chosen nominee, she had to be dismissed as a Russian asset,
not to mention what they did to Donald Trump. This is their favorite trick. And the Jill Stein thing and what we're about to talk about with respect to this CNN report, it's just, this is their go-to bag of tricks. Glenn, that it's all the Russians, anybody who gets under their skin or potentially takes away one percent of the vote in a critical swing state is a Russian and any problems of the Democrats own making, making that's a Russian as a disinformation campaign.
Yeah, so let me just mention really quickly this case of a black socialist who are being now federally prosecuted because I covered it a lot. Tucker had put them on his show quite a bit as well. Obviously, a lot of people's audiences would disagree with a lot of these people's views. But these are like 70 and 80 year old guys who are like old standard electors who are spent their whole life opposing what they call NATO imperialism, US militarism.
And of course, it follows that they are against US funding of the war in Ukraine that's consistent with their lifelong beliefs. But because the tactic of the Democratic Party now is to accuse all of their enemies, not just on the right, but as you see with Jill Stein or anybody who threatens their power, they just accuse everybody of being an agent of the Kremlin. They prosecuted these people because they were speaking out against the war in
Ukraine. And they had these very tenuous connections to a couple of peace activists in Russia. And it's so obviously an attempt to stifle free speech by saying that even if you speak out against our war, which is as foundational to the United States as possible, you're right to oppose the government's war policy, we can now prosecute you. And it was AOC who led the charge against Jill Stein because they're obviously petrified. She's going to take
away Democratic votes. And I've seen this now, Megan, for eight years. Our country from 2016 until 2018 was drowned as the main story in this false allegation that Trump conspired with the Russians to hack into the DNC. They unleash Robert Mueller, Superman prosecutor
at the I director with a team of unlimited resources and prosecutors. And at the end of that investigation, he concluded there was no evidence to support the core central conspiracy theory that the media gave themselves pollitzers for ratifying that the two had collaborated. And the media just moved on as if nothing had ever happened. And then in 2020, as you mentioned the same thing, Megan, there's not one media outlet that in 2020 put people on the air
to say the 100 Biden laptop is fake. It's Russian disinformation. Every media outlet once Biden was safe to the left did not only admitted it was real, but began using it in the reporting, FBI used it to prosecute under Biden. Everyone knows it's real. Not one media outlet came forward and said, we got this wrong. Here's why we got this wrong because they're not in the business of telling truth. They will say what they need to say based on whatever their DNC or CIA
or FBI sources are telling them to say in order to sabotage Trump. And that is the truth. Even those 51 so-called intelligence agents, it like the FBI agents took the stand and under oath in the Hunter Biden trial testified that the laptop had been verified. Where was Leslie Stahl? A 60 minutes. It can't be verified. It can't be verified. Where was she saying, I am very sorry. Actually, I was wrong. And I was wrong at a crucial time
in advance of that election. She's in the same bunker that Judy Woodruff of PBS is in right now trying to avoid the coverage of the fact that they got caught. I'll be charitable
making massively consequential mistakes on the air and failing to own up to them. So just to put some meat on the bones of the DNC versus Jill Stein attack because Stein, while nobody's talking about her, she does have something approaching 1% in a couple of these swing states and the Democrats fervently believe that she played a role in costing
Hillary the election in 2016. So the DNC releases the statement that reads it in part, quote, as follows, Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia after parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016. She's at it again. This is from the DNC spokesman Matt Cordoni, quote, Jill Stein in a statement to the bullwork, Jill Stein won't become president, but her spoiler candidacy that both the GOP and Putin have previously
shown interest in can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump. So this is them going, I mean, truly balls to the wall against this woman, the DNC because they will kill any Democrat actor who deans to get in the way of their chosen nominees, clear path, ask Bernie Sanders, ask Dean Phillips, ask Tulsi Gabbard, ask RFKJ and ask Jill Stein. This is the party of democracy, Glenn. I think one of the things that reflects about the Democratic Party is that they have this
arrogant entitlement that they believe all of these voters are theirs. They also still blame Ralph Nader for George W. Bush's victory in 2000 over Al Gore. And all these voters for Nader and Stein will tell you until they're blew in the face that even if Jill Stein or a Ralph Nader weren't running, I still wouldn't vote for the Democratic Party. I know it's a new splash, but there are a lot of people in the United States who really don't believe
in our two party system. Most democracies have a multi party system. And Jill Stein is an outlet for a lot of people on the left who think that the Democratic Party is not worth voting for for all sorts of reasons. And they think if they get rid of Jill Stein, those people will oily march behind them. And also, I think the other important thing to realize here at Megan is that in 2016, the DNC cheated to make sure that Hillary beat Bernie. That
came from Elizabeth Warren in Donna, Brazil. This is hardly speculation or conspiracy theory. Yeah, I mean, the WikiLeaks releases proved that the top five DNC officials, including W. Austin and Schultz, had to resign right before the DNC because they got caught right handed doing it in 2020 Obama drove everybody out of the race. Pete Buttigieg and Miklobuchar
to make sure Jill Biden won. And then this year, not only did they say that they would not allow a primary or any debates, even though you had RFK Jr. and Mary Ann Williamson and Dean Phillips wanting to run against Joe Biden, once they saw that Joe Biden was going to lose because of the polls after the debate, they said in a back room, let's just get rid of him and impose on the party in the country a candidate who never once campaigned to be
president, who never got one single vote. The anti-democratic entitlementality in the Democratic party is impossible to oversee. Yes, we just pulled, I don't have the sound bite, but what they did to Tulsi. And here's the quote, I don't know what article I'm quoting from my team will tell me in a second. Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said the Russians are currently grooming. That's a quote, a Democrat running in the presidential primary. So this was the
2020 primary back in 19. Gruming, the Russians are grooming a Democrat running in the presidential primary to run as a third party candidate and champion their interests. The comment appears to be directed at Hawaii representative Tulsi Gabbard. She's been accused of being cozy with Russia in the past. Just being accused, reference, or warrants it being raised again, right? Remember that time you were accused, random person of being a pedophile and we'll just keep
raising it. Never article about you as though it was actually proven. I'm not making any predictions. This is quoting Hillary Clinton, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate. Clinton said, speaking on a podcast with former Obama advisor, David Plough, she's the favorite of the Russians. This is how it's done. Now, first of all, let's just recall that that prediction was completely false.
Not only did Tulsi run as a third party, she endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 election, kind of a weird thing to do if you're a Russian asset. But beyond that, I know Tulsi reasonably well, look at it from her perspective, Megan. She has been in the military since 2002. She deployed in combat in Iraq. She continues to be in the Army Reserve, sacrificing to defend her country.
And here she is being accused by the Clint Eats, who famously avoided any military service, including a Vietnam for all sorts of strange reasons, who never once did anything to benefit anyone but themselves, questioning her patriotism and her loyalty simply because she was a critic of the Democratic Party. This is what they do now. When you start accusing somebody of being a secret agent of the Russian government working on behalf of the Kremlin, of course, what you're saying
is you're not just against us. You are a disloyal American. And just like I was telling you before about Brazil, where they think that any criticism of the government is tantamount to a criticism of Brazilian democracy itself and therefore a crime, the Democrats believe that any opposition to
themselves, any questioning of them, even from somebody who four years before was the twice chair of the Democratic National Committee, Tulsi Gabbard, that the minute you criticize them or don't fall into line, it means not just that you're about a person, but that you're actually disloyal and somebody who can be called with no evidence, a foreign agent of an adversarial power. It is remarkable how quickly and pervasively this tactic has spread not just among the party,
but among all their media allies as well. Okay, there was another piece of information on Tulsi, just recently, this is reading from the Daily Mail, that it was that she's on a government watch list and connection with all this nonsense. She's been labeled a quote domestic terrorist according to a whistleblower watchdog who's demanded an investigation into government surveillance
on this. Okay, empower oversight said the US federal Marshall Service was improperly targeting individuals for enhanced surveillance on flights and named victims, including the former presidential
candidate. And so this is the allegation is that she has been placed under surveillance at airports and on planes, per these whistleblowers who spoke to this is Daily Mail UK, the Air Marshall National Council saying her name appears on the Quiet Sky's program under the program, federal air marshals follow US citizens who pose an elevated risk to aviation security through airports and on flights as a result, there are at least five agents stalking her on every
flight she takes. This is incredible. This has not been independently verified by us, but I remembered the report as we got talking about Tulsi. And frankly, it's not hard to believe, given the amount of crap they've thrown at this woman. When you see somebody saying they are one, when you know they're not one, they didn't do all the sacrifice from the family and the personal time. Well, how does it make you feel? Well, it burns the command center major core,
the E9 core across all military. I think it'd be like I reckon to the same as a person that's like in a training to be a doctor and they frothed. You can wear a doctor whatever badge in the hospital and go through the halls and act like he's a doctor, he's still in training. And then all of a sudden he decides he drops out of the school because it's too much work, I don't want to do it anymore. But then he still walks through the halls and says he's a doctor. I mean, if a civilian saw that,
they'd take the key, he gets thrown in jail. And this guy, he's a military impersonator with that. It's like I'm using, you know, like you said, he's a retired command center major. He said it so many times that it just makes a person sick here. Yeah, the state of Minnesota said that he can say he's he'd be served as a command center major, which he's never said I served as a command center major.
He blabs that he was a retired one. And that's where, you know, this originally came out with me in 2015 and 2016 because we had a veteran's memorial that was getting dedicated and he came down as the congressman spoke to the small town and it was just I am retired. You know, you've seen all the videos is he said it six times six seven times. It was in the paper and a neighbor that saying national anthem, he he says, God, I got to meet another command center major. So that's
two of them I've met. And I was like, he's not a retired command center major. I said he didn't do the school. I went through the same things Paul said I said, the guy left in the he goes, we don't know that this needs to get out. And I said, well, I've figured somebody above me whether, you know, whether at state level or you know, somebody would have corrected in the toll. You know, see something says what you're doing. You're doing it for political dance. Making you look better than
you walker. You're you're wearing a 12 point wrap in your head that you got you got a van these body basically is what you're doing. You're not bad. Here's back to your friend Adam Smith. And by the way, I mean, this guy's the ranking member, meaning the most senior member there is on the Democrat side because they're not the party in power in the house right now. So he's the ranking member on the armed services committee, speaking to this issue, this issue of walls,
calling himself a retired command sergeant major hair watcher. He was promoted to be a command sergeant major. So at one point, he served in that rank. Now, the way it works, which is not something that people weren't familiar with the military would be aware of, you have to do a little bit more to be able to retire at that rank. Okay. So it is not wrong to say the 10 walls was a command sergeant major. He was. It is wrong to say that he retired at that rank. And that
came out a couple of times and they corrected it. Okay. And you can see where, okay, he's both retired and he was a command sergeant major, but he is not a retired command sergeant major. That is true. And I think that is a very innocent mistake. Just had to do it. You're laughing. Your Paul's not laughing. He's gonna have to touch one. Yeah, you're okay. Oh, but you know, that's the thing right there. Okay. Yeah, it's just that you had a
little mistake in there that he did whatever. I wrote this letter to Tim Walls back in 16. I said, you know, thank you for your service. Thanks for what you've done for veterans. You know, thank you for your 24 years, but I said, you know, you were valid here and you were saying you were retired command sergeant major. You're not. I had the state state command sergeant major, Crucinell officer tell me that he can only say he's a retired master sergeant. I mean,
it's all out there everywhere. He was officially demoted just so people know it's in paperwork. You can look it off. He was demoted like his right. So he tried to retire as a command sergeant major and they caught him and said, no, that's not what you were. Keep going. I sent this letter to him. I, you know, it was like soldier to soldier. He was like, you know, given a chance to just come clean fix it. Yeah, what even Van Jones, I think is the guy's name on CNN said, you know,
just come out and have a news conference and come clean. So we can all get over this. Whatever, how he will never do what he never did it back then. I he could easily done it. He could have said, yeah, I guess I screwed up. I didn't know why it was. That was that. And I think it went
on water under the bridge. That's where Colonel Cole had to say, well, I sent the letter to the armed services committee then, after I never heard nothing back from Kim Walls and the Ag committee and every, every one he was on was like, you know, this guy is lying about his right. Nobody responded. He still hasn't responded, which is why we're here together. Exactly. I mean, he's like, well, he never will. He'll have a spokesperson saying misspoke.
Well, so, so here's here's what he has said. All right. We're going to play some of his sound here where I, he didn't really address it. But after this all hit, he got out there and did a couple of announcements at various rallies and we'll take a look at one of them. This is Saat 6. And his rally right after the vice presidential announcement. My dad served in the Army during the Korean War with his encouragement at 17. I joined the Army
National Guard for 24 years. I proudly wore the uniform of this nation. The National Guard gave me purpose. It gave me the strength of a shared commitment to something greater than ourselves. And just as it did for my dad and millions of others, the GI bill gave me a shot at a college education. That was before all the controversy. He knew you guys were out there. But that's how he tried to spin it in his first appearance like, hey, here I am. National
Guard has been in response to which you felt what? Just what is grabbing the leg do? He just said that it was the biggest commitment and his exact words. I can't, it was bigger than himself. Right? Right. Bigger than himself. And I'm like, no, it wasn't. He is the pinnacle of everything. Everything he does and says. A couple of years ago, I did an interview and in that, I said, he's a habitual liar. He lies about everything. He lies well and stuff that doesn't make sense.
And again, here we got the Chamber of Commerce coming out. Yeah, you learned the Nebraska National Guard. You came to Minnesota National Guard. Why? I don't know. Let's talk about, oh, he says all these things. Like I was a football coach. You were assisting coach and you were fired because of a DUI that you lied about. Be a deaf one. Okay. To try and get out of whatever you were trying to get out of there. I mean, it's just one habitual lie after another and they keep filing up.
And eventually you can't, there's not enough blankets to cover it up. You heard Adam Smith suggest there's a couple of times. You know, a couple of times he mistakenly said he was retired command sergeant major. We put together just our own list that we could put that we could find of him saying that he was a retired command sergeant major. It's not just a couple of times. Here's, here's more than that. He's not one. I'm a retired command sergeant major.
This is Congressman Tim Walls. He's retired command sergeant major in the Army artillery. As a 24 year veteran of the Army National Guard and a retired command sergeant major. I am a retired command sergeant major in the Minnesota National Guard. I have a unique privilege in Congress. He has that, um, by being elected from this district and being a retired command sergeant major, I am the highest ranking enlisted soldier to ever serve in Congress. As a 24 year veteran of the
National Guard and the Red Bull Division and a retired command sergeant major. Congressman Tim Walls also a member of the Armed Service Committee and veterans affairs Democrat of Minnesota. Highest ranking enlisted soldier ever to serve in Congress enlisted in the Army National Guard at 17 and retired 24 years later as command sergeant major and served with his battalion at operating enduring freedom. Retired out as command sergeant major. So when you first came to Washington,
you were a retired command sergeant major in the Army National Guard. Oh yeah. That's you miss spoke a lot a lot. And by the way, just to the records clear September 2005, Minnesota National Guard discovered that his paperwork had been fire that was erroneous saying he was retiring as as a command sergeant major and they updated it to show that he retired as an E.A. master sergeant September 2005. Correct. So every single thing we just showed you was after September 2005.
He knew that he had been demoted and he continued to say it over and over and then there there were some vets who went to his office in 2009 to say stop saying that and stop saying what you heard somebody else say in there which he has also said with his sign that you were a veteran of operation enduring freedom which is saying you what's what if you were a vet of operation enduring freedom. What do you say what did you do? I was a boss. He doesn't have an expedition
or anything that was that that would have at least had an expeditionary model. He has not. He was not awarded the general public thanks to a few say operation enduring freedom that you want to have. That's literally what the civilian. I thought if I say operation I'd have an Iraqi freedom. You pretty much know of his operation enduring freedom covers Afghanistan. He
threw that spin on his thing all the time. He's accepted both both both have been said about him in introductions that he served in Iraqi freedom and enduring freedom and he hasn't corrected. He's allowed it to stand. Exactly. And that's the sad part about the lies that he spends is that he's out there. He allows things to get said that are lies and there was campaign publications sent them. I'm in the first district there and I get them in the mail and I look at it and that just
be like, you got to get me. I mean can you can you guys just have some some loyalty and some integrity and and do the right thing when nobody's looking. I mean that's the thing that I've always no integrity is being on a deserted island as a soldier and shaping your face with a C shell if
you got one. So if you get risk if you get arrested you look like a soldier. I mean that's doing the right thing when nobody's watching and he does the wrong thing when everybody's watching trying to get away with it and and putting a spin on it so he can get another vote and hopefully get
in the next level of office and that's that's what's just sad about this. In you know the the whole point of us coming forward is it's not it's not just it's everything together it's not just that he misspoke about being a command sergeant major it's not just that he lied directly to my face and other sergeant majors and officer faces about his commitment to going to war with his with his units and also the confidence that that brings to soldiers that are going to be in the
trenches with you. It's it's it's not just it's everything it's about him weapons in war. Oh yeah I we're going to make sure that the weapons that I carried in war don't have fallen to the hands of civilians or whatever and I like you never were in war.
I hope you're up like many of you did five weeks ago and dead said dad you're the only person I know who's in elected office you need to stop what's happening with this I'll take my kick in the butt for the NRA I spent 25 years in the army and I haunt and I gave the money back and I'll tell
you what I have been doing I've been voting for commonsense legislation that protects the second amendment but we can do background checks we can do CDC research we can make sure we don't have reciprocal carry among states and we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war
is the only place where those weapons are. He said things to gold start families that let's them allude like when I came back they told us to watch the horse whisperer move on and I go yeah because you were in Italy okay no offense to anybody that was in Italy but when
you're sucking down a latte and people are getting shot at there's a big difference okay and I and everybody has a role to play don't get me wrong everybody has a role to play but the point is is that take honest accountability for the role that you play but most guys who did not actually serve
an Afghanistan or Iraq would never say they served an Afghanistan or Iraq. No I don't know anybody that's done it myself just on the civilian side let alone somebody running for an office at all and absolutely not at national level this is just unbelievable that somebody can can have that life spawn and still be doing it you know comes out to the as a coin that has the CSM. Yep.
Yeah. But he gave out and gave out to Congress or people that he misfolk there. Yeah. He was saying retired command sergeant major on the Harris Walls website right she had to pull that he's still saying the Minnesota governor's office is still saying it right I mean he's held onto this even though you know people like Adam Smith suggest all he just it was a mistake and he didn't it's been brought to his attention for every year he's been doing it and he continues to do it it must mean something
to him. I do want to tell you we interviewed we interviewed the cast of the movie Reagan which is hitting this weekend and one of the cast members is Dan Laurier he played the dad in wonder years and in this movie he played Democrat Tip O'Neill who was friends with Reagan even though they were
across party lines and the real guy Dan Laurier served in Vietnam he was in he was in the Marines but he was quick when I said that to to point out and he's always quick to tell you he didn't actually fight Vietnam he was stationed over he got sent over there and then they got pushed to Okinawa and then there were all sorts of reasons why and but he wants people to know that. Exactly. And that seems to me the default most guys are trying to make sure if you ever overstate what
they actually did they try they correct you. It's it's it's people understand it's not just we don't want to overstate our importance or are the commitment that we made to the country or the things that we did for the country and ourselves and the family and our families but for what I
don't understand is when you say that you served in a function that you didn't if you served in combat let's just go there I served in combat here or I did this there you are robbing you are robbing that suffering and that commitment and trifling it down for all the men and women
that we have sent in a arms way and have not come back or have come back less than the people that have their tortured memories ok and and and everybody that did that commitment you belittle it you're taking a piece of their funger and you're trying to capture it and button it a bottle for
yourself and use that for your own benefit that's why like I told these guys he is a self-licking ice cream cold if anything he says can come back to him he will do it in a heartbeat let's start with Liz Cheney Tom a bet team Trump is quaking in its boots this is the ultimate
you know dog bites man story like what is the news here really right we know this Cheney is is not a fan of Donald Trump that's obvious and so the idea was I mean she made this big announcement that she thought deeply about this and she was going to go ahead and vote for
comlers I mean I just don't know what the obviously it gets played in the media and on MSNBC because it's bad news for Trump or it's you know it's a bad headline for Trump or whatever but to your point Megan like who's this going to convince how this is this is really not much of
the story at all in my opinion and yet people are excited about it I don't know here she is here's Liz Cheney explaining her reasoning sat 10 I think it is it is crucially important for for people to recognize not only is what I just said about the danger that Trump poses
some condition prevent people from voting for him but I don't believe that we have the luxury of writing in candidates names particularly in swing states and as a conservative as someone who believes in it cares about the constitution I have thought deeply about this and because of
the danger that Donald Trump poses not only am I not voting for Donald Trump but I will voting for comers all right and yet Carl you've got tweets all over the internet including this one from August 2020 where Liz Cheney wrote common Harris is a radical liberal who would who would raise
taxes take away guns and health insurance and explode the size and power of the federal government she wants to recreate America in the image of what's happening on the streets of Portland and Seattle we won't give her the chance so which which constitution is governing right now in those
Cheney's mind well Megan I understand why some of these establishments Republicans dislike Trump they you know people like you know the names Bill Crystal and Liz Cheney and other people some people some of them are my friends you know Donald it was like a hostile take over their party in
their mind so some the ways some of them talk about Trump is is angerier and then the Democrats I understand that but so then you think are they some of them want Trump to lose so that they can reconstitute you know bring back what they would call the norms or whatever you know bring back
the old coalition maybe and but she didn't say that what she said was that Donald Trump is a threat to the constitution you know that this will be the last election we ever have the these you know these ideas about that Donald Trump is an authoritarian that the democracy is actually
on the ballot there's no evidence for that and the Democrats ran on that in 2020 in the midterms and it helped them they're running on it again I I don't I don't understand why people believe that but that's what Liz Cheney said and so you know once you get to that point I guess then you think
gee Connell Harris would be a terrible president the Democrats or their policies are awful but I'm doing this to save my country I think they've convinced themselves with this I just don't think that this is going to have influence over a single American absolutely not
one not one all the people who are going to vote for Kamala will say great Liz Cheney's on board and all the people are going to vote for Trump will say who cares we know Liz Cheney hates Trump and the undecided four people who live in these swing states will say who what I don't okay
and they're going to move on like Mike Pence is not supporting Trump that didn't seem to have some massive impact I don't know why Liz Cheney would but let's talk about the the biggest news that's coming in the next week or so and that's the debate apparently Andrew there will be
Mike's turned off during the other person's turn so while Trump is speaking her white Michael Beoff while she is speaking Trump's Michael be turned off this was the subject of debate for weeks and the reports are that her team is very disappointed about this because she was looking to have what they're calling a a Brett Kavanaugh moment with her where she she got up and Brett Kavanaugh's face during the confirmation hearing so how big an impact if any will this have on our experience
of this debate on Tuesday night well yes marginally people are saying it's a victory for Trump I don't think it makes any difference at all I think they were going to debate no matter what they both need the debate Trump has been practicing and practicing for this every time he goes out and speaks
to someone on a podcast or town hall or with a press conference he's practicing so I think he's ready for the debate the big question is is she ready there'll be no notes that you can bring it's a stand-up debate I believe still so it will be all the rules that applied during Joe Biden's debate
and we still have that ended up for Joe Biden so if if if I had to bet I think he probably will have a good night and she's going to be the bar's pretty high for her because she has not been doing any press talk to anybody been challenged in any way other than that CNN interview so we'll see
what happens but every you know the stakes are pretty high I guess yeah well at meantime NBC news reporting earlier this week that this is how she's preparing that she's being coached to avoid being pulled into Trump's personal attacks by remaining calm she and her team are focusing on how
to needle Trump and rattle him in that sense the source said it's going to be less about substance and more about showcasing Harris as woman who is not scared okay so that's what we're looking for to president now a woman she's a woman so check who is not scared of Donald Trump that will earn
you the presidency in the eyes of her team Tom Bevin but the plan to rattle and needle Trump is a good one and we'll see whether they're able to do it that was what they did throughout the DNC making fun of him not being a billionaire his money the criminal cases against him and he held
his fire he did not start spouting off on true social in the middle of the night face to face across from her can he do it yeah we'll find out I mean look the reason she wanted these mics on is she wanted to pull that same stick that she did with my pants in 2020 you know excuse me excuse me
I'm speaking stop speaking over me sort of you know that that whole thing totally and there was a report by I think CNN who had a source that ABC News saying that the campaign Kamala Harris's campaign had gotten assurances from ABC that if there was some crosstalk that the mics would be
turned on and that the moderators would help inform the public about what what was being said so you know that was sort of a curious report I'll be interested to see when when this actually goes down whether those mics are fully turned off the entire time or whether they you know they might
be left on on occasion or or how they handle the crosstalk between these two candidates but you're certainly right that you know she's going to try and get in his head and say some things and you know try and get him to overreact and then you know play perhaps play the victim or whatever
the situation is going to be and Trump has to be aware of that and and has to basically not fall for it and we'll see what he's able to do that or not you never know I suppose it it'll depend on the you know the moody's end on the night of the debate he's had far more experience with adversarial
media than she is which is to his advantage Carl well yeah and you've reminded me of something the first person who showed on a presidential debate staff a debate stage that they could be simultaneously a woman and unafraid of Donald Trump was Megan Kelly you may so I guess you
follow me for president I think it does and in terms in terms that microphone I'll take you guys back one a couple of elections even earlier Al Gore's debating George Bush and they're an Al Gore Bush is talking and Gore was sighing so loudly into the microphone those of those who
were in the hall there couldn't hear Bush and I was sitting asked a Frank Bruney of the New York Times is Frank is the air conditioning broken what's going on and he turned him he said I think that's Gore and the neck and on TV it wasn't as bad but the next day Barbara Bush and then Gore's you
know stocked across the stage at Bush and Bush kind of smirked at him like he was you know bring it on boy and the next day Barbara Bush was clutching her pearls on one of the morning shows and she said I thought he was going to George and you know so some of these histrionics get these subtle
movements you know when Bush's father looked at his watch turned debate they can matter and so I you know so I think the mics turned I guess I kind of prefer him just to be on all the time you guys remember when the moment in the New York in the New York Senate race or New York Senate
race go ahead Tom no Rick Lazio marched across the stage with a piece of paper and sort of weak didn't Hillary Clinton's face but that's that's gourd did that fired on him gourd did that two weeks after you thought you thought he would have been warned yeah he just figured because he
was up against a male opponent he could get away with that but certainly that male female dynamic will play and given the rate the gender divide in this election Trump does have to be careful like he can't do anything too aggressive even though she'll be aggressive against him she's called him
a predator she's gotten as aggressive rhetorically as you can he there's just a dynamic I'm sorry it's there he would be completely reckless to get in her face physically in any way and I don't think he'll do that I'm Megan Kelly host of the Megan Kelly show on Sirius XM it's your home for
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slow-boiled provocateur approach to these people it was true genius so congrats well that's that's great to you I really appreciate it and slow-boiled provocateurs probably a good way of describing it actually that's a great description of you know the approach we take
in a number of the scenes in the film it's I mean I I wondered whether you were getting worried at all about somebody blowing their top because you you were very respectful you weren't you know in people's faces but you would keep asking questions when you were told to stop you would keep
like pressing little buttons when you could tell they were on their heels wondering what the hell had just walked into the room and you didn't stop once they were clearly uncomfortable so when you're doing all of this was there ever a moment where you're like okay now I might be in trouble
there was never I mean there wasn't a moment where I ever felt sort of that my my safety was in jeopardy or anything like that but I guess you know a lot a lot of people ask what when we when well in this film and also with what is a woman that one of the main questions that I often will
get is you know how do I keep from laughing how do I keep for how do I keep a straight face when I'm in these rooms and the truth is that it's you know stopping myself from laughing is pretty easy it turns out because when you're actually in the room doing this and you're in the room with these
people in real time obviously this is a movie so we take this could be like a two-hour interaction that I have we take you know there's five minutes that appear in the movie because it's a film but it's pretty it's pretty intense and these are these are really unpleasant people most of the time so
it's it's looking back at it of course it's quite humorous but when you're in the moments it's actually not all that funny to me when you're when you're really there and you're watching these people especially these grifters who who you know this is their whole this is what they do they
they take normal people and they try to break them down and it's like this brainwashing session that you see in the movie that goes on over and over again yes this is it it takes almost all of the things we've heard about the craziest DEI pushers and puts them together in one movie
so you can see this is real life these people exist they've been doing this they are doing this right now they hate America and they really don't much like white people and they would like all of us to feel the same so of all people to infiltrate their spaces map wall she gets in there
and he finds out soon into this film matwalsh is not going to be able to do this is matwalsh he's too well known at this point people are on to him and that brings me to one of the scenes that has been released and that's in the trailer this is mat after he had attended a attended a white
privilege grief workshop and he gets up to leave the room for a moment and he comes back and realizes that they've figured it out here's a bit in thought 32 I did everything I could fit in I opened up I was raw and emotional I told them about my black friends who's no use they rejected me and
they called the police my mere presence in the room caused them pain I'll never be accepted if I look like this if they know that I'm matwalsh will always be an outsider I need to go deeper undercover a whole new identity if I want to be an ally I need to look like one like someone who
is progressive tolerant and lightened let me think if I ever met anyone like that ah yes is a hat what is a one why do you ask the question ah it's just a listening audience that's mat getting dressed up just like uh well you described the look
you were going for there yeah that's the thing you know one thing I recognize about this film and many people have pointed out just based on the trailer is that it's not the most convincing disguise in the world it's not like this is not exactly a CIA level operation where I'm going in
and facial prosthetics and you know fat suit or something we talked about doing that maybe we talked about we first started making the film you know what what should I do to change my appearance of course the idea of me shaving my beard was was floated which that's off the table immediately
uh other kind of things you could do and we didn't do any of that it's just a wig and you know and a man button right uh skinnier jeans and I would normally wear and you know white shoes is like that's the whole thing but and then the question is well how did that fool anybody given
that that everything's still the same you still sound like yourself and I think one of the answers to that is that um for a lot of these people they live in such a bubble you know they they live in this bubble they never really encounter in their everyday life anyone who disagrees
with them uh they never intentionally put themselves in a room with anyone who would ever challenge them robin de angelo appears later in the film and uh which you know you you could see in the trailer and I would I would venture a guess I don't know this but I would guess that robin de angelo
has not intentionally been in a room with someone who doesn't already agree with her in like 20 years I don't know so I think that's part of it that they they there's a certain arrogance that comes from being in this bubble and they just never could imagine that anyone like me would ever be in
their vicinity and so they kind of gave me the benefit of the doubt and the disguise didn't need to be all that convincing because we're sort of using their their arrogance and their kind of false sense of intellectual security against them I guess you've got your skinny jeans your man bun and your mercs into which you put how to be an anti racist by ebremex candy and when I saw it I have to say I really thought your inspo might have been a character from a different daily wire
production mr. birchum in which I play Adam Corolla's wife he's mr. birchum and it's the the school DEI police man named mr. Carpanzi here he is my name is mr. Carpanzi my pronouns are he him and Z I'm a heteronormative cisgender white male for which I apologize what even got the scooter which I saw you on in this movie Tyler Fisher plays that role any any
connection no there it's actually I was amazed when I when I saw that also in in the show because that's that's just parallel thinking I know we these two shows are being these two things are being developed at the same time you know and and I don't know I guess it's just if you want to play
a crazy leftist well you got to have the man bun you got to have the scooter so I don't know like it's pretty amazing yeah okay so you so in the movie then I won't give away all the spoilers because it's fun to watch it unfold and realize how you threaded the needle but you go quote undercover
and you are on a mission to figure out this DEI world and one of the greatest themes that just keeps we just kept kept laughing was you get your DEI certification at like a workshop and then you're very proud of your card and use it in a way that is just so perfect Matt because you show
it to everybody you're so proud of your DEI certification card not everybody has one as you can not everyone has it you keep telling everybody and the joke of it is so on the nose for those of us who have been following this nonsense which is of course anyone can get one and yet there are
all these people who are purported experts in this field who will grift you to the nth degree because they have the little card or they have some diploma that's given them an official education in this nonsense and they go out there and continue the grift exactly it's it's it's
it's not a real subject that's the thing DEI is not a it's not a real uh intellectual pursuit it's all completely made up in phony and so being an expert in that is just being an expert in nonsense anyone can do it you'll see in the film that the process that I go through to get my
certification is it's it's it's not a very it's not a very grueling process uh in fact it took about I think not rigorous I talk about talk about 30 minutes I think to get the to get the card and then what once it's not like anyone can say oh but you just got that one on a fake website
that's not a real one there is no real one there's no such thing as being really certified in DEI it's all completely uh made up and and you know you just really all it's about is just showing ideological alignments with these race uslers and if you do that then you can you have as much a
claim to being an expert as anybody else in this field does yes so you I love it because it's not everyone has not very proud and you then go and introduce us to some of the characters that we've heard of on the news who are pushing this craziness you mentioned DeAngelo which everyone must see
if you watch this movie for another reason watch it to see the scene where Matt Walsh in his man bun sits down with Robin DeAngelo I died it I honestly there were so many great moments in there again we'll keep them a secret but one of my favorites was when the issue of what is mansplaining
what is mansplaining and let's just say you're gonna laugh it just started to doug and I did when you get to that scene but you did meet a different person who I'd never heard of before named Kate Slater so before I run this clip tell us who is Kate Slater well she's one of these uh she's an
anti-racist educator uh she is very proud of innovating something I believe if I remember correctly it's called the anti-racist road map I think and so she's the first person we talked to in the film and that's why you see in the movie I'm not in the whole costume when I talk to her
because we wanted to start the movie by just she has a road map we want to talk to someone who can kind of I'm just starting out uh introduce me to the basics of what this stuff is and tell me where to go next and you know you'll see in that interaction she sort of lays out a map for me and tells me
here's what you need to do here's where you go next here's what you should be doing and uh we we set out to put that into practice in the film yeah you you did it but you you clashed a bit not really but clash you you highlighted an issue that actually someone I know actually had in their life
they're not woke but they were getting shamed for this Halloween costume because it's a white family so you raise this let's watch sock 31 with Kate's later my daughters four years old I am an anti-racist educator quote unquote she's still watching Disney movies and she is choosing
a white princess over princesses of color have you talked to her about that all of the time my three year old daughter is very her favorite princesses Moana well it's a good sign yeah but then I also thought you know is a little bit of cultural appropriation here she wants to be Moana for Halloween
mm-hmm so how do we navigate that do I go and and and buy the Pacific Islander native attire for my white three year old um I wouldn't I wouldn't but I guess what we might call the Moana problem here is is what on one hand this cultural appropriation on the other hand there's gravitating towards
while white characters right that's almost like no matter which way you go you're end up back in racism we think every space belongs to us because we live in a white supremacist society is America an inherently racist country I think the word inherent is challenging there if we say
fundamentally fundamentally yes America has racist to its bones all of these so inherently yeah oh my gosh I mean it's it's so perfect you your child must love Moana over any other Disney princess however not to the point where she would ever actually want to dress like her or model her
behavior because then you've crossed into cultural appropriation see rulebook section 40 footnote 10 right you're that that's why it's that's why we now call it the Moana problem that you're a you're a racist no matter what and the thing is that's it's one of the many moments in the film
where it's it you know it's supposed it's funny watching it you know and we're supposed to laugh at it and I think that I think that mockery and laughter is an appropriate response to absurd things and what you just saw there's absurd but then on the other side of it but once you go a little bit
beneath the surface on this thing you see that it's actually it's awful too along with being funny because this is the damned if you do damned if you don't situation that these people set up where no matter what your racist so they start by saying uh you're white your racist and then
once they have you you say well what do I do to not be racist anymore and they they tell you what to do and after you do that they say well good job for doing that but by the way you're still racist and and and and this is a message that they do send to kids I think I said earlier in that interview
before this moment I asked her uh what's the right age to start talking to your kids about their racism and she says basically from birth like for as soon as they're born start letting them know that they're racist and again we can laugh at that as sane people because we realize that it's
completely ridiculous but she's serious and uh and there are people out there that take that advice and start you know hammering this into their kids head from birth and it's just the it's horrendous it's abusive I mean that you can see she's happy about it she's proud that she's
and she's disgusted by her child who likes white princesses she's turned herself into a racist of a different kind I mean that's obviously she's got some I don't know internalized hatred um her problem is her problem unless it winds up in my kids schools which it has this is why the movie
was so necessary so was there one thing in particular Matt that made you choose this as your next subject after the huge success of what is a woman well it's hard to say one thing in particular I mean I guess if there was one thing it would be the big thing which is in 2020 when uh just
the the the the kind of racial insanity that took hold in 2020 after George Floyd um and a lot of the things that we saw after 2020 it it none of it was new really I mean even the riots we'd seen before but it was ramped up to the nth degree and so that's one of the probably the main thing that
had me thinking about it um and beyond that it's just it's it's cultural you know like noticing that I kind of I say earlier in the film you hear in the preview that I can think of myself growing up in the 90s and it was not a racial utopia I'm not claiming that I realized that you had the OJ trial
you had the race riots in LA and that sort of thing but that sort of stuff was happening and we're never going to live in a utopia we're we're uh we're human beings we're tribalistic by nature we're flawed we're always going to have things like racism that's always going to be a part of the
human experience but my own anecdotal experience growing up uh in a you know racially diverse area and going to public school and you know people of all different races it was like you noticed when people were a different race but it didn't you weren't focused on it intently all the time
and you weren't sitting around thinking about oh am I racist was that a racist interaction it just was that wasn't a part of what you were doing um and recently that's been the case so it seems like we're very much going backwards and and we are and that's because people like these grifters
that we expose in the film um that's what they want they they very intentionally they're taking people who otherwise wouldn't be that focused on race and they're telling them that no you have to focus on this you should be focused on this all the time you think you're not racist because you
don't hate people of other races but actually you are and in fact if you say you're not racist and think that you're not racist then that means there are even more races than than than anybody else and they just get people up in their own heads and it's like this cycle of confusion and resentment that everybody gets caught up into and it's uh it's just evil thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show no BS no agenda and no fear