Who'd be a journalist?

Despite a popular perception that journalism is an industry in decline, The National Council for the Training of Journalists has published research that claims the number of people calling themselves journalists has actually increased since 2012. So where are they working?

Also in the show, the BBC has launched Sounds, a new app that it hopes will entice more younger people to listen to the BBC, and The Overtake, a news website "from outside the middle-class media bubble".

Amol Rajan is joined by Joanne Butcher, NCTJ chief executive, Bob Shennan, BBC Director of Radio and Music, Robyn Vinter, editor of The Overtake, and Hussein Kesvani, journalist and podcaster.

Presenter: Amol Rajan Producer: Richard Hooper