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Phil? You can record this. You just started now and you just started it, and I want to first I'm gonna say we're joined today by the host of Busting with the Boys on the Barstool Podcast Network, Taylor Curtis Lewin.
How do you like to say, Taylor Lawan, But my whole life it's all good.
New ground comeback. Yeah, just churching it up, dirt.
Yeah, you only got a little something.
And uh will earl Oh my god, this makes you sound pretentious.
William earle.
Yes was like, give me some of that money. Yes, Oh what was? I had two things because just before the show started we were talking about rock and roll, and we're talking about when your song if you're a rocker like you'r Nirvana or Pearl Jam or whatever, like so you're cool like a long time ago, and then one day you wake up in your classic rock and and that being disconcerting. And I was going to point
out in talking about how adaptable classic rock is. The f M station where I grew up, ninety four point five K would do now and then they would do that like thousand Greatest Rock Songs, which is you know, it's like it's like a thing that brings the country together. But kl Q would jump in and do an editorial insert, so you know it's gonna end like for weeks, you're driving down the road knowing this is gonna land at
Stairway to Heaven. But they would add number two, put in Uncle Ted's Fred Bear Fred.
Is a Jam.
They would they would stick that in just to stick it to the man and say it's no stairway to Heaven, but it's definitely better than hate Jude.
Right, Hey, Fred Bears a Jam? Now, yeah, that's like the first Hunting song I grew up listening to.
Oh yeah, it's funny when VHS right, You're like, oh that it's hunting.
Yeah, yeah, I want.
To learn more about this Fred Bear guy, we're gonna you're gonna have we gotta hang tight a minute. What did we gotta do? Right off the top of the bat And you guys might like this we're doing this year we let our We used to license music for the end of the show. You guys do that with the show.
I don't think so now do you just ended? Yeah?
Got this little riff.
I think a guy named Drew Dixon did it for us. One we use now is from Ernest. Yeah, Ernest.
Ernest came on the bus and he had did a little acoustic jam and put it together.
That's the beginning.
But that little guitar riff at the end, I'm pretty sure it was like Drew Dixon, who was like, guys a singer songwriter in Nashville have been working in the like a tin roof to bar on d Mumbrian Street forwever.
You didn't have to license that every year, you just got it.
We didn't know about it at first because Quicker City Nighthawks was the very first one.
We would use.
Yeah, and then do you hear about all the copyright and stuff? And then we tried to mess with him, but then they didn't want to mess with us. But then when we kind of became popular, they wanted to come back, and we're kind of like, oh.
Yeah, you gotta gotta get in when we get in good Yeah.
Yeah, point being uh we are. We had licensed to a song that no one really liked it, but it just meant something to me. And then we let the license expire and we told our audience that from now on, we're only gonna outro with music that they write and send in. So it's just gonna be never ending runs of musicians that wrote music for us and sent it in. So this one I like so much that I don't want to just outro it. I want to intro the outro.
Both you do a quinin Tarantina situation.
Yeah, you're starting.
At watch watching moment. We're gonna intro the outro. Are you ready? Phil?
Yeah, gotta pulled up.
Phil is gonna let's hear it, Philly. M guys sent this.
In, wrote it just for this.
That's like young guns.
That surprised me.
Wait for the elk bugle, though, you wait for the elk bugle.
God may.
Guy, there it is, dude. I'm telling you what you turned off?
Now Phil, it's a lot going on.
Hot tip brandy musicians man throwing out bugle into your metal. It's like with cooks, throw a little butter in her. You throw some elk bugles into your music and you're gonna be kicking ass. Who's that?
This is by Jesse Collins, who's a local Boson, Montana resident. He's from here. And in case you were not able to decipher the lyrics, the lyrics are hunting, fishing, cooking, conserving, and then the next one live to hunt to live, and then the last line, which we something near and cut before anyone could hear it is fresh set of eyes finds more beans.
We're going to open a Christmas present real quick.
Oh yeah, it's behind you.
That's from It's not even.
For those of you who forgot to get on the YouTube version.
Here, this is a huge Can you open it? You work opening? It's sure, we listen. Listeners of the show remember when we participated.
Now this is great. I love it.
So listeners of the show will remember when we had some some pale some anthropologists on the show. We participated. Cal was there? Who all was there? Cal Clay in this room?
Grin was there?
Max Maximilman Krinn was there. Uh We we participated in and in butchering a buffalo with stone tools in cooperation with anthropologists and archaeologists and a palaeontologist from uh. It was it was Texas, Texas. Why why am I struggling so much?
I thought the Ohio State Southern.
Methodist s m U and then Kent State Universe, Kent.
State University, Oregon State University, and we participated in a project of we butchered. We were we were expert butchers and butchered a buffalo with stone tools replicas of ice age tool assemblages. And this present came in the mail.
It's very delicate.
Okay, do you have any idea what this is?
I really don't.
Really, it's gonna take time.
This end is brittle.
Taylor, you can't help. We've already been over this. Taylor. Is the don't rip the wrapping paper person.
I like to save the anticipation.
Yeah, okay, Steve, you want to grab the which.
Is a great way to think about that because I've never thought about it that way. Like what you like is that.
Christmas you get to.
Spend that extra Okay, this might be that thing I really.
Want So this is from the Kent State University Experimental Archaeology Lab.
The Golden Flashes and many apologies to people who are listening and not watching.
Yeah, you gotta get on the YouTube train for those.
Well do you think it sounds good that this loud paper noise to people at home?
I love it. I think it creates intrigue. People will get online to see what's bubble wrap?
Come hang out with my kids. I'll put you in a big room full bubble wrap, and you guys can just have a home.
See you four hours later.
I don't think anything broke.
It's got to be a.
Spear, right, Well, we don't know.
Well, that says a happy news spear. And now I remember saying I wanted some spears. Oh my goodness, there's gonna be some bloodshed in this room.
There there are maybe eight different layers of wrapping papers.
Yeah, you did a good job. Well, I didn't realize it was gonna take this long.
You got a free towel out of it.
A couple of free towels.
I don't go shower up.
All right, Steve, I think you should do the honors.
When we're no I'm watching, We're gonna get those towels in the auction house oddities.
Oh, look at that.
You guys are doing great work.
Get a Christmas gift.
Noodles.
You guys got it.
I'm enjoying watching my present be open.
We got we got new towels, we got new pool noodles.
This is really ship I should have at least partially.
Yeah, Krin does some good producing and some poor producing, and this would be in the this would be in this is not a four point five or.
The explanation.
Can you're so close? Yeah, sorry audience for my terrible producing.
Maybe lay over that song again.
You can probably still play an end.
These pool noodles, for folks who don't haven't happened on this trick yet, are super awesome for pre building h any sort of fishing rig with a leader.
And just just to keep people entertaining while we open this. If you're if you got pre rig mooching rigs, you can stick your banana sinker in the end, right, stick your banana sinker in the pool new and then wrap the mooch leader around that pool noodle and fasten the hooks into it. So I think it more.
Self to talk about the pool noodles are also good for floating too.
I see that, I can see that.
Some pools present is revealed a couple of good walking sticks.
This is you right here, package you.
And snoop, snort, stink, damn it. The whole role is.
Be careful now.
Yeah, it's gonna be sharp.
I think for the amount of time it took to goodness.
Oh, that is badass, ladies, and John, that was worth the way.
These are Clovis point tip hunting spears by Metton and a former student. The points were hafted by a former student of his, Michael.
Wilson Holy Cats.
Two of them are English flint, procured by him from the White Chalk Cliffs of southern England.
Uh.
And then the third one is Georgetown chirt from Texas. It's the same kind of shirt we used in the experiment, and the wood is a pine treated pine shaft.
I don't know you guys really well. So you're the ones I'm thinking about when I think about just want.
Just he's looking at you. The game.
Is ribs man, Max.
Can I see that that big hoss there?
That's pretty cool. Gonna keep working down our list.
Everybody ask you to move that spear that you leaned right in front of the camera.
Fellow, this is the part of this is part of this part of the show where we we do listener comments. Okay, Fella wrote in says twenty twenty three, is this is more bad producing? Good producer would have gone in there and wrote was. But this was.
A quote from the guy. He wrote in twenty twenty three.
You would a good producer would have wrote sick sick after that.
Yes, as I say, it's got toppy with a writer.
Twenty twenty three is considered this is a listener thing. This is a good question. Twenty twenty three is considered a masked year where acorn product acorn, where acorn production and other nut trees have upwards of five times their typical production. I've never seen anything like the amount of acorns produced this year. I would love to hear the crew discuss their thoughts on the impact of a masked year on dear harvest. He says, not to take his
word for this. Deer harvest across the Midwest this year is way down, and the only consistent common theme I can find is that it's a mass year. I've hunted the same fields in central Wisconsin for twenty years and always see twenty to thirty deer out every night about an hour before sunset. And this is the first year I'm not seeing hardly any coming out to feed in the fields. But when you go through the woods, you jump all kinds of deer. I'll buy that if you.
I think Pat Dirkin wrote it up. I think Michigan's one of the states that's us pretty significant hunter decline. Hunter participation decline for this season. So that's a reason for he can't have a lot of deer dying by hunters if there's not a lot of hunters out.
There, huh, I don't know.
Yeah.
And then as we talked about, you want some real patients and sit in a tree and watch nothing happen. Get out of your tree, man.
What are they attributing the decline?
Well, if it's a really significant number, if you go back to like I think there's a peak sometime in the nineties, early nineties.
Not the COVID pandemic, No.
Like a significant peak. You'll have to eat old Padnerkins article. I think he wrote it up for the Meat Eater dot Com. I will a little little website you might be familiar with I.
One thing I could say about this what he's what he's talking about is you'll find that people have a tendency because people that are driving to work, driving around, you see deer in a field. So a lot of guys are gonna like they just instinctively are gonna go sit the field edge.
You know.
It's just why I'm go sit the edge of the field and wash the field because I see deer out in the field. So yeah, the fact that there's a bunch of food would I'm trying to say, the fact that there's a ton of food in the woods would absolutely affect all that kind of stuff.
They don't have to expose themselves because there's plenty of food undercover.
They don't need to take risk. Talk talk to Clay. When I was when I was saying acorns and not acorns, I was goofing on Clay. You talked to Clay about when it is a good master here because well, he likes to talk about it because it gives them more chances to say acrons.
This is a Clay conversation. Yeah, it really likes and have a lot of fun with that.
He likes any conversation that involves acrons.
Clay successful on one of these years.
I don't know. I know that he's always looking for a tree that's rain and acorns.
Yeah, is it?
Is it kind of like nationally across the country or it's a certain area this.
Man, this is I don't I'm just reading.
This so I'm trying to keep up. So there's an over there's a surplus of acorns out there, and the deer is staying in the trees and not out of the field.
This is an actual thing here.
This is a real thing. No.
No, what I'm saying is bumper crops of acorns is a real thing. Have you have you ever heard with with you ever heard of the thing predator swamping? No, So if you look at wildlife populations that are very singed and when they reproduce, the thinking is one of the advantages of being very synchronized is that the abundance of food overwhelms predators and some of that stuff is gonna Like if lay a big group of ground nesting birds, they all lay at the same time, some of them
are going to survive predation. But if you were to if they were going to all lay over the course of two months and you had a population of predators pursuing those eggs. It's like they have a greater chance of just finding them because it's a slowly rolling out food source. So they use this term predator swamping, meaning animals that get in a big group and all drop their young at once. Then predators will get some, but they'll the animals, the babies will quickly be up and
running about and it's a higher it's more likely to survive. Okay, trees. We had a guy sitting in the seat you're sitting in, well all right, a forester, and he came on and explained to us was that guy's name. He's a good guest, Michael Snyders. He came on and explained to us that they find something similar occurs in populations communities of trees where the oaks will for whatever reason now and then
just totally kick ass and predator swamp the acorns. And you can go into stands of mature trees and find that a lot of those trees as old as they are have the same birthday, meaning there's years that are just really good. They drop so many acorns, and then you get a bunch of recruitment. You get a bunch of oak recruitment because deer didn't eat all the damn things.
Okay, you follow them.
Yeah, this is not something I've picked up through observation. This was just explained to me.
So out here. Elk or like the example that I think makes the most sense to people. Elk calves first forty eight hours on the ground most susceptible to predation. Then basically every minute past that forty eight hour mark, they're more and more capable of getting up and hauling ass and running away. So if you think about making a tackle, right, every tackle takes that pursuit, angle, impact, recovery, reset, and do it all over again.
Right.
It all takes time. So all the predators are out there trying to make these open field tackles on these calves, and that all takes time and of it. You know, they all can't be tackling everyone at the same time.
Got you changes.
A angles change, and there's more of them. There's balls popping up and everything.
This viewer who wrote this, and he's talking.
About acorns, he used acorns.
Sorry, is this is it a big deal? Is this as a problem?
Well, he like many, like many good outdoors me, he's a curious student of the woods, and so he's just I think he's just curious. I think that that I think that it would be a big deal if you found that you had a really low deer harvest, because it would be is it that there's no deer around? Or is it that something else changed? But worth worthy of discussion. But I think that he's just throwing it
out there. But it brings up this this issue I'm thinking of, is just backing it up by this idea that that masting trees will seem to like you don't imagine two different trees are talking to each other, you know, I don't know, Like, I don't know how they how it becomes decided by a stand of oh, that it becomes decided that this year is the year we're all going to just rain down acorns. I have no idea. I'd love to understand it.
On the successful hunter side of things, there are groups of hunters that will, for whatever reason, be more happy complaining about the fact that there's so many acorns in the woods that the deer won't come out of the woods and that's why hunting sucks this year. For whatever reason, that is more satisfying to them than changing their stand location to be in the woods.
That makes sense, right, I love to complain.
Yeah, yes, it's probably the people that are complaining about this, or probably the people that didn't harvest the deer this year's Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Normally I go out the first weekend and the first morning, this is what happens. And it didn't happen this year. So something is majorly wrong.
Guy wrote in this is a good one. You want to talk about stuff that matters. I'm waiting while I was asking them, no, when you said that to someone, you're not asking them no, was the guy wrote in. Now, we we've covered on and off the the ins and outs of New Jersey experimenting with a bear hunt. They had a bear hunt, they lost a bear hunt. They got the bear hunt back, thank goodness. They have the highest density I think of any state bears per unit
of space of any state. But this guy said, there's a professional harasser. There's a woman and she has a little posse of people. She does adjacent to a large block of state land where guys will hunt, and she'll she and this little anti hunter posse will go out and harass hunters who are coming out of the woods with a bear, and this guy says him and his buddy got a bear. They they put it on a log Indian style, he says with his fern, like tying
it feet down to a log. When I've done that in the past, I find it sways in a very irritating fashion. If you're ever out there doing this, get two logs. Put one over each of your shoulder, because when you put it on one log, it just starts to get Yeah, it's like a pendulum. They hike it out four miles and low and behold. They run into a group of people and so he says that we do what you're doing any hiking trail and we go how you guys doing today, and then proceeded to just
get harassed and then docks. You guys know what that means.
I keep seeing the word pop up. I don't know what it means.
So they the this, this this posse of anti hunters doxes them because they get their licensed plight numb and there are images that they can put on social media.
Uh.
They reached out to a game warden who said that they would look into it, and he's like, what can someone do. That is just that's just cat that is categorically illegal. I mean even New Jersey. Even New Jersey has a hunter harassment law. You can't if someone's legally hunting, it's illegal to come up and annoy them or harass them or try to molest their hunt. It's just like, it's just illegal. If this is true. I'm just taking
us at face value. If this is true and someone said blew you off, like, oh, I'll take a look into it, it's just it's just it's not it's if it's as presented, it's just a it's just a thing where that you can't do that that's illegal, that should not happen to you.
Maybe hunters in each state should get to know and read the codified anti hunter laws in their respective states.
Antment harassment laws, yes.
Because it is like a stupid wording thing, right, like these people didn't interfere with the hunt. They just harassed them when they came out of the woods with the bear, which you know may not make it by the eyes of the law of people the way it's written.
Right.
Yeah, I would continually be posting pictures of bear ham smoking and bear chili and talking about the amount of people you fed with that bear.
I like that cal Yeah, doctor Randall, what did you determine about the quail article?
I was waiting for the uh the payoff?
There? Did you who scratched it out?
Oh?
I just removed it because we seem to have skipped it.
But I want to say a thing of interest from the Yeah, there's this article we're taking a look at. It's about Tennessee's quail comeback and AI, and the article tries, in very tenuous fashion, in my view, to link the use of AI with a quail comeback and I, and the relationship is not how would you put it, there's no correlation.
Yeah.
However, it's an interesting thing to do surveys to try to locate quail which have been which are their numbers are doing a little bit better in Tennessee. In certain places in Tennessee, as some people know, and many people in the South, have experienced Bob White quail numbers or have been at just depressingly low levels across a lot of the traditional range. Too many, too many reasons why to name them all? Some people point to fire ants,
some people point to fire suppression. What am I missing?
Changes in trapping oh, too.
Many mid size Yeah, a lot of mid sized predators because fur prices have been so low.
And on and on.
They just talking about guys. Research is being to put AI to use. Every time you read about AI, you feel like, oh my god, it's so scary. They're coming from my job. But here they're using AI to go out and take recordings, just recording ambient sound. Right, So you can place a recording device out in some habitat and it records all the ambient sound. You imagine, well,
what are you going to do now? You hire some grad student to listen to tens of thousands of hours of ambient sound recordings to be like, oh, there's one I heard a quail, right, and then log where it was and when it was. And these researchers are able to take all of this. They got forty some listening devices. They're able to take all of that and use AI to scrub out and identify the sounds of quail.
Yeah.
And so it makes a case that this gives them a better understanding of or it's a more useful way.
To closer to actual population.
Yeah, but it doesn't actually explain how it causally impacts it.
Doesn't say how quail or recovering?
Right was the fun? Well, yeah, this brings up one of my favorite things about media, And I could say this in media, the headline that really over promises.
Yeah, uh, are you aware of the story. I've done a bunch of work with Pheasants Forever and quail Forever and greatly respect the organization. And when you're around they employ hundreds, literally one hundreds of biologists at that conservation organization, and when you're around a group of these the story always pops up. In the spring, they do a lot of nesting surveys. They try to get a general population survey, and then they can submit those numbers and then the
state can change the harvest regulations for those individual species. So, like Steve was saying with quail, trying to listen for quail, well they also listen. They do visual counts with pheasants, and they used to team up with all their world a lot of that today.
Uh.
They used to team up with a lot of rural mail carriers, okay and so, and they have these very specific that sly do this very specific criteria of at this time in the morning, you drive this stretch your own and you drive it this fast, and then you report either what you see in the case of pheasants,
or what you hear. And in this case, the famous kind of study that they talk about, or the instance rather is on rough grouse because they get out and they and they drum and they display sounds like you're trying to.
Start an old lawnmoarder. I can do it perfectly ready.
No, that's not it.
It's more like this co to get focus together in the zone like flow state.
No, it's like it's like, no Max had it.
So I want to say this is northern it's either Michigan or Minnesota. I apologize for mixing the m states up there, but it's Michigan or Minnesota. And you know, thirty year career of a rural male route carrier.
That's a that's such a I never thought of that. This is a genius thing to do. I'm always impressed when how long you had a shop, He's like, I've been driving his rolls for twenty years. You've seen a lot est.
Yeah, and the counts are always dismal, dismal, dismal, dismal.
First you be like, do you hunt pheasants? Because if you hunt pheasants. You don't get to participate. You're not the real carrier nothing I have seen nothing, not one shocking help you there.
Are, and then come around next time and have a banner pheasant year.
This particular dude just flat out couldn't hear it was just freaking death. Could not hear that. Yeah, and so you hear that story often in that circle. So that's where AI cam cam come in handy and eliminates the uh, the bias.
You can call it a little quality control.
And I gotta tell you a quick story, nothing to do with any of this, but I keep thinking about it. As Clay was talking to a this don in Arkansas. Is this family's old guys and they really had just their long run of killing giant bucks, and other people would just get jealous and pissed. And so what you're doing. You're jealous of someone, you start like rumors about them.
And Clay says, one of these old guys, you know a lot of people say that you killed all those bucks at night, And the guy says, you know how hard it is to kill one of those bucks in the daytime? Can you imagine doing it in the dark.
That's pretty funny.
Here's a big news. Are we doing this right? We're announcing this now. Listeners to the show will probably know the Meat Eater, Fish and Game Cookbook, which big best seller. Half a million of those suckers are out there in print. Well do you follow up the it's usually bad? Phil? Would you say it's bad when there's a sophomore effort? Is that always negative?
And it's it's kind of a test. It's you know, like a ban will put out a record it's great, and that's like, well, let's see how their second one and goes.
I think this is I think that's just a I mean, you can have a great sophomore.
Yeah, it's kind of like a benchmark for the sophomore.
Just I think it's just like an order, you know, like.
Order got it. So it's not like passingerudgment. Yeah. I feel like I read like like the sophomore album didn't do.
Well what they call it to fall separate.
Okay, I'm not going to use that. The much anticipated follow up there, it is, the much anticipated follow up to The Meat Eater, Fishing Game Cookbook is publicating. That's not a word publishing. Its publishing April twenty third. It's available available for pre order now wherever books are sold. It is called The Meat Eater Outdoor Cookbook, Wild Game
Recipes for the grill, smoker, camp stove, and Campfire. For a long time we were going to call the book from the Backyard to the back Country, but felt that it was two cutesy. But you know what I mean, from the backyard to the back country. But it is The Meat Eater Outdoor cook Wild Game Recipes for the grill, smoker, camp stove, and Campfire. This book covers everything in shocking detail,
stunning photography of how to take a marmot. This is just kind of making a point up front, how to take a marmot and cook it the way small animals were cooked by planes tribes on the American Great Planes for one, where they would take small animals and just simply roll them around in the ashes and burn all their hair off and then roast them skin in. We talk about that as a setup, but then it gets into all manner of barbecuing, smoking, everything, camp cookery. It's
way more beautiful than our last book. More than one hundred recipes for cooking outdoors, which includes everything down to frying fish, which is best done outdoors. Outdoors. It's cool. It's got a lot of stuff. It has like a real coffee table book quality to it, because some of the stuff you might not ever make, but it's so badass looking that you'll just like to look at it. It's gorgeous.
Did the beer Guts make it?
No, the beer guts aren't in it.
That's for the next book, the junior book.
Calum vent at the recipe this morning, which is Guts.
And Beer phenomenal. It was four point five.
We will be talking about this cookbook in greater detail later on, but I'm just gonna remind everybody now. It's available for pre order pubs April twenty third, and it is a if you love the meat Eater, Fish and Game cookbook, this is that same great quality, highly tested recipes, but everything for cooking outdoors again, from having a big old party in your yard to cooking for you and your body on top of a mountain with a backpack
and stove. Everything for outdoor cooking. Now's the part you guys come in.
Hell, Yeah, I didn't mean that, would you say? April twenty ninth, I gotta get that for the old man A twenty third Yeah.
Well, We know these guys are fired up on food.
So I think.
Beautiful that Barnes and Noble get to where you need to go, get that hardcover.
Let it put it right there. You a walk in goes that the new is that the new sophomore.
Media listen anticipated is that the sophomore highly anticipated new one.
You don't have to start pushing this even more a month before Father's Day.
Oh, we're gonna push it heavy. This is just a prelude to the push because it's so good. We worked on I mean we worked on it for years.
Pretty push.
We worked on it for years.
That's good.
We even't had to hire I'll tell you this, this will tittlate the listeners. Then we're done talking about it. We had the higher firefighters to be there for some of our preparations.
Really m hmm, like just in case there was a fire, or.
We're doing some of the stuff in the summer, and and and just because of various issues. But I'm saying that's the kind of cookbook this is.
Yeah.
They also make fire photography.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of ways to burn your fingers. That should have been the subtitle. Well, let me give you a couple for instances, how to take a we do so everyone knows, like burying like lou wild style pigs, right, So, how to cook venison shoulders, venison legs in a half of an oil drum. How to put whole ducks and birds just on spikes on sticks and cook them like a ring so you have a fire with a ring
of birds roasting on sticks around the fire. But also how to throw a kick ass catfish fry so rick really technical stuff that like that requires a lot of requires a lot of macguiver, ring making, contraptions, making makeshift grills, making makeshift smokers using souped up sophisticated smokers is all in there. If you like to go outside and cook. This is your book.
This is it. What's your favorite Uh? What's the most unique recipe in there? Too? Good question?
My favorite one in there isn't even in there, but there's pictures of it in there. Is no It's like one of those things you can't really it's not really a recipe, but it's the thing you talk about. There's two because they both involved contraptions that I like a lot.
Uh.
When where I grew up, it was you would you would like if you got married, if your kid graduated from high school, if you turn forty, you would throw a pig roast. You would host a pig roast where you take a whole hog and and you know, put the apple in its mouth and cook the pig. Yeah, so we do. We have a great little welded up contraption for doing that and talk about that. But it's not so much a recipe, it's like a it's a
procedure for a recipe. One of my favorite things is if you ever go down when you're in Mexico, particularly down the Yucatan peninsula, and you see that they're making those tacos l pastor where they have that that vertical spit meat the meat rock. Ye, a vertical spit mounted with lakelayers of mounted with layers down there. It's like layers of pork and a pineapple sits on top of the spit and there's a vertical heat source and so it spins and then they cut tacos out of that.
So that sounds incredible.
No, that's really cool. Tacos l pastor. And I have my buddy Ronnie made me my own one when I got married, and that very uh, it's called a trompo, and that very trompo I aftermarket rigged it with a motor so you don't have to turn it by hand. But that very trompo is in the book. And it's how to make your own tacos l pastor so you can be like Mexico and have a sweet taco party with what we use deer meat. Deer meat on a
vertical spit. It's incredible looking, it's a real sight. It's got a eye appeal.
And then didn't make the book just depends.
On that that's in the book. That's very detailed description in the book. Roast is like it's like it's just the thing you got to talk people through.
Yeah, it's a process, right, yeah, the.
Whole is it? Seventy five pounds is two hundred pounds? Yeah, phenomenal book. All right, we return to our guests now, Will Taylor, how do you guys want to talk about your careers, your other careers, your pre col Yeah.
Yeah, ball, we can talk. We can talk ball.
We went to ball.
Yeah, don't then you feel bad the whole time, like, man, we were pretty worthless and all these huntings.
Yeah no, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a level of like, uh, because you get you guys are doers, Like I think of us as like animals that live in houses and that our parents got Relled's like, hey, we're done with these animals. They took us out in the woods and then we met you guys out door dogs first time. They start talking abou all this shit, and we're like, oh my god, we really have no idea what we're doing here. But yeah, yeah, yeah, football, we did that.
So I played. I was at the Titans from twenty fourteen until twenty twenty two, and that's where Will and I met. But as I told you guys before the show, I grew up in Arizona, went to the University of Michigan, who I don't know when the show's coming out, but they are playing in the National Championship on Monday.
Do you still feel an affinity?
So when I first left Michigan, I didn't at all. I was kind of anti Michigan. And then well, when I was there was like oh nine to thirteen, which is when we were just terrible, we're awful football team, and I and I get drafted. I was kind of, oh whatever, And I play with these guys that went to Alabama Georgia, Clemson, like all these teams that are like winning national championships over and over again, and they
had like all this big pride. And when we got Jim Harball, I started to feel a little bit more pride.
And then he started doing that. I was like, you know, get this guy out of here. What do we do?
This guy needs to go. And now, like this is actually the first year, even before the year, I chose to be like a fan I want. I wanted to buy into being a fan of football and like watch a sport being like my first year out of football.
So it's kind of a natural progression. You know. If you imagine you grow up somewhere, all you want to do is get out of there. You get out of there, and then later you nostalgia and you're like, I should just move back through with my kids.
That's exactly that you nailed it.
Because when I was in Arizona growing up, I was like the desert ugly, it's not fun here. I want to go somewhere, somewhere the four seasons end up going to mission. My first winter, I had a pair of Vans on probably the same jeans I'm wearing now, in a zip up hooding, I was like, perfect winter. Yeah, literally, I like saw snow like two times in my life. The first one, I was like, if there was a
transfer portal, which is now. I don't how familiar guys are with college football, but you can literally leave whenever you want. Essentially, if that was established, I would have sent my ass back to Arizona. And I heardfully, thankfully it wasn't established yet. But now as I've gotten older, I'm like, man, something about an Arizona sunset, the desert, the climate, everything is it's it's beautiful. We were talking
about Cave Creek. It's like the only place in the world where you'll find like an old horse, a truck in a ferrari in the same parking lot, and you just it's just such a unique, cool town. And so there is that level of nostalgia for sure.
Yeah. And then you had bad you had some like bad ish injuries.
Yeah, I did, uh, more so recently though mostly recently.
So.
I actually was extremely lucky, Like in college.
Were told me today about getting getting knocked out.
Yeah, yeah, that was fun. That was your bell wronging your bell rung.
I didn't know that that could happen. He was telling me that Taylor was telling me he got hit in the way and this is the thing that happens to people where you come to in your emotional.
Emotional They just told him that to make him feel better about.
Good emotions.
Hurry up and get off. Yeah, was saying that when he said he's lucky at one point and please don't let me give it this wrong. So jump in. You were with the Titans for seven years, nine nine years and at one point every year counts count Oh yeah, man, you were like the most tenured person on the entire team.
Yeah, my last year, my last two years of the Titans, I was I saw one hundred percent turnover. So I was like the oldest guy in the room. They were a guy that played more years in the league than me in the room. But I was at the at
the Titans for the longest amount of time. And it was a cool experience too because our first year we uh, my first game, we played the Kansas City Chiefs in in Kansas City and it was loud and it was they have this thing during the national anthem to say and the home of the and the whole the whole stadium, Y knows.
Chiefs it's and like it startled me, startled me big time.
And uh we won too, like two games that year and so my first and then the next year we won three games and it was like just a we were a horrible franchise and we won this big run of going nine and seven a bunch, finally having like a winning records. And then twenty nineteen to go to the AFC Championship, played the Chiefs again in Kansas City and lost. We were up by ten in the first quarter.
But there was it was just like it was cool to be a part of something that was so abysmal at one point and then helped like grow it into something that at one point was an actual contender for a Super Bowl. Not not anymore. That tough yer for the Boys, but yeah, tough year for the Boys. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, getting knocked out.
We played it.
We played the Dolphins in twenty.
Eight longest game in NFL history, in NFL history, it was like seven or eight hours long because of all there's a lot of storms. So yeah, right, like yeah, yeah, that was on the team.
That was a year we met and uh, I just signed this deal and I came out in a boss hog outfit, like all white suit, white hat. I had a taxidermy beaver with me and I kind of did this thing like Daddy's here, kind.
Of biggest contract for an olignement in NFL history at the time. Oh I.
Love.
Yeah.
So I made this like big, like you know, theatrical thing about it, and and Mike Rable, the head coach, pulls me the office. He goes, that was funny.
It was good.
But I'm just let you know, there's gonna be guys that don't like that. And sure enough, dude, we throw a pick.
There's guys that don't like ostentatious.
Yeah.
Yeah, So we played the Dolphins in my that's it right there, ans And we play the Dolphins. We throw a pick and it's like towards our sideline. I'm I take pride. I used to take pride. After this, I
never took pride in it again. But like hawking down trying to get a couple of stats, get a tackle, like we talked about being patient, trying to get there, and dude's coming down and I'm starting to run like this, I'm looking and all of a sudden, boom lights her out and there's actually I mean it's kind of funny, but there's a hilarious video on YouTube of me like dead bodied on the floor and.
Our teams like start it was a dirty hit.
So like our team and the Dolphins like start getting in a scrum and I pop up because I like go from being unconscious to very conscious, and I'm like looking, I see everybody fighting, and I go to get in it, and like people trainers are grabbing me, like Kevin Byer or safety. I think there's a picture of you right there too, grabbing me, like hey, no, no, you got knocked out,
you got knocked in. I was like, well, you know, they just and I just start crying, like tears pouring down my face and I'm like talking normal, and our center Ben Jones like takes the towel and like puts it over my head like he's embarrassed for me. Like listen, brother, you need to get to the locker room as soon as possible. But yeah, that was a that was a bit of a deal, that that little knockout situation you're seeing it.
I'm watching it right now.
I'm dude, there's a dude on the Miami sideline just looking at the camera. Body bag.
Line coach and the Dolphins is like, give him a fist bump. I was like Andre branch is his name. He was a backup you you know.
So it was it was it a clip or it was just.
Yeah.
The next year they actually made that play illegal, that that type of hit illegal.
One of those ones where you know, Taylor's like pursuing to go get the ball carrier and whoever is coming to block him, they don't even see him. So you're just like looking your chops like you'll about to tee off on this, right?
How do they define how do they define when they made it illegal? How do they define it?
With defensive player? So like, if you're not aware of the situation, if I'm pursuing you and someone's coming from this side, I would be defenseless from your hit. I would have to be aware of your hit coming in.
I supposed to keep all that street.
So many it's been like a transition for a lot of.
Guys offensive tackles, big big target to tee off on too.
Yeah if you yeah, oh, if they're not looking, yeah, you got to t off on them. You don't want to because you're thinking you're about to get swallowed up by this boy.
My good did you did you get some tackles over your I think I had like four or five I usually yeah, yeah, a good little stuff, check that step.
I think I had like four or five throughout my career.
All of a sudden, you were like, I can run watch Oh yeah, say a little athletic out there.
Now. I you know, I don't want to continue to hype the boy, but you gotta hype the boy when the time is necessary. Did you do you have the record for forty times at the combine.
Now top It was top ten when I did the the comments. Some dude been like a four to six one time.
Oh gotcha.
I had that four five and nobody tried to like pull you out to tight end or something like.
No, I was ripping at three ten, Like when you're of that side. Nice, that's when, Yeah, that's when you're and you don't want to you don't want to.
Try to move about a smart position as the blind side.
Yeah, yeah you want to.
He's like, no, baby, I was sawing this guy the other day that was three ten.
Yeah, I feel pretty good right now.
Yeah, he's And.
If you're if you're looking from like a from a career stand where like a tackle, a left tackle specifically, it's like a highly like a highly doubted, very high paid position. It's a premium position because it's very low, low supply and extremely high demand.
Well, you're gonna zip out and hit guys like this, yeah.
Right, yeah, when he goes second level. Yeah.
Well, we actually played each other in college too, you yeah, yeah, we play each other feed What was it? What do we doy twelve?
Did you know you played each other? Were you not?
At the time? Though, not until we may.
You see a white guy, a white linebacker with the last name Compton. You're gonna remember that guy.
Remember that guy there was It was the first time we played against each other. I think it was twenty fifteen, maybe the league.
Yeah, but the first time we played your a year two fourteen, Okay, so fourteen at the Redskins or at the Commanders. Yeah, excuse me, we're at at Washington. But we played each other in college once too, twice in college twice in college you got one and I got one one on one, and then you won one in.
The in the NFL. Yeah. But the first time we saw each other, like Taylor saying, like you see another white guy on the field, you're kind of like, hey, we're kind of doing it.
We're beating the odds, right, we're beating the odds.
Like the first play happened, I remember like tapping him on the helmet the first time we ever we were we're doing it out here.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it.
Is, especially for linebacker off it's a line there's a pluthor of white dudes out there, and I don't want to turn this into a white That's not what this show needs to be about. But there is very like a lot of times, not a whole lot of white guys on the defensive side of the ball. I think there's a bunch of times you were on the field only white.
Solo, white sold patrol. Yeah. It is.
Uh, it's an interesting world, man. But yeah, we we met in twenty eighteen. Well, talk about your career.
I've been going about.
My Yeah, well, well he did you a great service. I'll do you only highlights.
Yeah, yeah, when he starts, I'll interject. Trust me, I'm great at interrupting for that. I will definitely when I when I found my moment, I'll be there.
Yeah.
So out of Missouri in my career, I thought I was.
Gonna be Missouri.
Yeah.
Yeah, small town bonterare Missouri. Shout out bon Ter.
Uh.
I thought I was going to be the next Walter Payton as I was growing up and realized than everybody, Yeah he has a running back. You know, you're playing both ways and you want to be an offensive you want to score touchdowns. But you learned very quickly that that's not going to be your future. Uh. Got recruited, went to Nebraska, played in Nebraska for five years, one undrafted, was with Washington for five years, the Titans for two, and the Raiders for two. But the Titans and Raiders,
I was like twenty eighteen. I was on the Titans that year. Then I was a free agent, went out to Oakland. Then I was a free agent back to the Titans. Then I was a free agent and then went with the Las Vegas Raiders late that year. And then that's that's kind of been that's kind of been my journey. More of a road dog, more of a road dog.
Can you just explain the mindset of a free agent versus a mindset of a what would you assigned player?
What what's the the mindset? Like? What do you mean? Like? Uh, like if the contract is coming up or not.
It's there all one one year.
Yeah, when you're on your rookie deal, you have like a three or four year deal, depending on where you got drafted. Like being undrafted, I was on a three year deal. If you're drafted, you play four years, and if you're in a if you're a first rounder, there's a fifth year option. So there's a lot of those business dynamics that go into it. Uh, But fortunately I
got to play for Washington for five years. The first year I was practice squad the whole year, and then the second year, which is where my initial contract basically kicked in. Like they kind of had me hostage from the business standpoint for a couple of years, and I mean I was kind of like cutting my teeth in Washington in year two to where I was I established myself going in year three and four for sure, or
the year three years three through five. So that mindset was more of like, you know, you felt like you were you know, you were part of the bigger picture. You were looking on when you were going into the offseason, You're like looking to build on the year you just had, or which guys are we going to bring in who potentially you might draft. I know for myself the position
I was in every draft. For me every year, you didn't want a team to draft anybody in your spot because you kind of just you know, the pecking order that kind of happens in the politics of it all.
Like with Tennessee, I became a free agent signed to Tennessee on kind of a low one year for two deal, and it was kind of one of those situations where it's kind of like a proven deal, So yeah, what you want to play well in that year to get like a two, three, four year deal, right, And that year when I signed with Tennessee, the draft comes around.
They draft a linebacker in the first round. So you remember, I remember sitting at the bar in Germantown in Nashville, and I was just thinking, damn, like you just kind of know what time it is, like that guy's gonna play. So you know, you got to kind of be like fluid.
It's like a very fluid mentality, because you know there are times like when I got done with Tennessee that first year where when we started the podcast, my mindset was I've put together six years and I'm basically just going to bet on my resume because I now I don't I've tasted it too much to where I don't want to be a guy on a ninety man roster and try to make the fifty three Like in my brain like I'm a fifty three guy, So I'll just bet on guys getting hurt and then getting called up
or signed in the middle of the year right before the season starts, and kind of took that approach for the rest of my career unless I was able to establish myself again to get like a multi year deal, which didn't happen, but I got to take that same approach.
So that's kind of like how it changes. Yeah, Like if you're you know, on Taylor spot and he can he can speak to this, but when you're in, when you're in those spots where you're part of the future and everything else, you might go back to the table and start renegotiating a year maybe two in advance to
kind of lock in your future. Like there was a guy who never wanted to go anywhere else, which is you're not telling that to the organization because you're trying to you're trying to play that game of leverage, but ultimately you try and get yourself locked into that same situation because you hate switching locations.
But is there the same level of comfort in your position as a free agent as opposed to somebody who's got this multi year contract. I can't imagine.
No, No, not at all.
Like there's like I feel like only the paranoid survive in the NFL. You have to be paranoid at all times.
Yeah, someone else. We had another player on recently, Derek Wolfe was on. Yeah, he had a couple of things you talk about. One thing you talk about is just that that sense of someone's coming for you, at someone coming up that wants your job. You're always fighting, you know what I mean. You never like just relaxed into it. Oh yeah, yeah, because there's always some kid coming out of college and watch your job.
There's different there's different level stead obviously, like in Will's position, being an undrafted cat and working to get on the roster this first couple of years and fighting through the fringe essentially to become an established part of a franchise is one thing. When you're drafted like I was drafted in the first round, you have to mess up really bad till I get essentially not have those three four years, so you some guys will kind of take a back seat.
I'm good, I made some money all that. But if you don't constantly think to yourself, hey, someone's going to try to take something from you. There's some kid that's a freshman in college right now that's going to get drafted and try to take your job. Like there always has to be some sort of like they're coming, they're coming feeling like there's like some sort of paranoid And it really is.
In your situation too, Like you know, when you care about what you're doing and you want to play at a really high level or perform any job at a high level, like and you're a first rounder, like you want to be able to hold the standard. I want to be the guy that they think I am throughout your career. So then when you do have LALs like I know, that just goes on in your mind, like, man, I go, I gotta play better. They thought they expected me to be a starter this year. I don't feel
like I'm playing at starter level. Like all these different parandormies are constantly here.
There's a big world for self doubt, a massive world for self doubt and it's a very ruthless and cutthroat business because you when you go to college, if you if you're lucky enough to get offered to a school, you're there for three to five years. If you can leave early, you do, and sometimes your red shirt and you do the whole thing. Will and I both red
shirt and played the four years after that. But when you go to the NFL, it's like, if you're a cat that's let's say fourth round to undrafted you are. You don't have two, three four years to develop. It's like even if you signed that three four year game, right, So there's guys. I remember the first time cuts would happen, and back in twenty fourteen, the way cuts were, there's four preseason games and then the third preseason game they would go from a ninety man roster to a seventy
five man roster. And then after the fourth preseason game, you go seventy five to your fifty three, which is your your team. And then you have about ten guys on practice squad who aren't getting paid salary like the salary you would get if you're in the NFL. But you're you're there, you're practicing. You don't have to be at the games that type of thing, and you'd be around guys that are like kind of excited about the season,
how do you think we're gonna do? And then two weeks later they're, you know, weeping bringing their playbook because they know they're getting cut right then and there, and you just it just you have to change your mindset in such a hurry to know that, Okay, there's no time to develop, like any weak point in your game that will expose you, you better work on that craft immediately, otherwise you could be set out.
The door in any moment. M and and with obviously all sports, but with football too, like it is it's such a performance based business. Like you're you're going to practice, you're watching every rep of practice with in front of the team meeting and position meetings. Then you got to you know, refocus for the next day the highs and lows,
like you're just constantly being evaluated every day. So there's never a there's never a level of like comfort even if you are good, because you still want to play at a very high level, like every guy who's in a starting lineup ultimately like wants to be a super Bowl champion. Or if they want to attain being a pro bowler, Like they all want to be the best. If you're a guy who's a backup, you're kind of
just waiting for opportunity to be a starter. If you're kind of like third or four stringer, kind of on that fringe, you're just you're trying to fight so you can be part of that crew who gets to look at each opponent you know, as like something to look forward to, versus like your team is all of your opponents, because you've got to like make the team. So there's always like a different level. But it's like performance based every day.
Like, so with the path you took, you ever do you ever get money, like sorry, a chance to make real money or is it is it real like you're sort of living hand in mouth all the time.
Uh No, Yeah, I had opportunities. It was like so practice squad, you know, if you get if you're playing on practice squad. Like my practice squad salary my very first year was one hundred and twelve thousand was the saldy. Okay, Yeah, so you're making solid money, but compared to being active, you're making my rookie salary. Say, I was playing that very first year, it's like four hundred and fifty, and
then it goes up more after that. Your chance to make the big money is in your second contract, your third contract. I know for me, my biggest one I had was that one year for two with Tennessee and when I was like a restrict free agent. But the year to year after that, I was like a one year minimum guy. But the longer you're in the league,
the more that floor goes up. But if you're like, you know, Taylor can speak to this, like when you're you're trying to get that second contract, when they tell guys like you got a lot of you know, X y Z, Like Taylor's a cat to where hey, in year four, when did when'd you sign your deal? You're four year four, going going into five? Yeah, going into five. Like Taylor he put you know, he took advantage of all those first four years to put himself in a
position to make that lucrative deal. And that's where, guys, where the guarantees happen, Like, you know, a five year deal for X amount of millions of dollars and then after that again in the NFL, you just basically take your salary or your contract and cut it in half. Like if you're a five year guy. The majority of Vets who signed like a five six year deal like think two or three, because once you're guaranteed money's up, they're gonna you're back to having to earn it at all times.
At all times. It's yeah, it's a bit of a deal man, it really is.
Mm hm.
So tell how you tell how you then met?
Yes, so I kept the truck a little bit.
It's really cute because you guys friends, thought you'd be best friends.
Yeah, so Will coming from the recue, coming from the Redskins. I remember I was sitting in the cold tub and just kind of you know, surfing the bird Twitter at that at that point, and uh, I see this tweet or it's an article. It's like Will Compton signs with the Tennessee Titans, he will be best friends with Taylor lay Blake.
Lawrence had the tweet, and then that tweet was using.
It was like getting your marriage arranged. I was like kind of like, hell, yeah, dude, was my best friend gone? And so Willy shows up and uh they were clearly right immediately, like we established our friendship very quickly.
What was it that they were anticipating you're going to bond over.
I just think we both like when you're in the media. When you do media, some guys handle themselves saying as little as possible. Some guys just stick with the game plan. I was much more theatrical. Will is a wordsmith with his thumbs, the way he was putting out.
Yeah, that review of the of the Gut beer exactly here. He reviewed that dish, and I thought, I thought he had studied up and made up a thing ahead of time, like.
He'd been sitting there the whole time being like this is what I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say premeditated. Bill confident is very premeditated the way he handles himself. But for whatever reason, people are like, these guys are gonna be They're gonna be boys, and uh, I don't. The first time he met was probably in the lunch hale.
Yeah, probably probably breakfast club because camping Aro like me being a frasing coming in, you're kind of like leaning to the other free agents. WY just get signed because you're like the new guys, right, So we would sit at breakfast and, you know, chop it up and have fun and laugh and stuff and I remember one time, Yeah, Taylor came over and like I said, I like, hey, boys, what were we talking about? I'm trying to laugh, like, and then it kind of like just grew from there.
I mean I stayed at this the Candlewood Sweets. It was like a hotel right down from the facility payah, Yeah, and that's where they was. That's where they put the free agents, and you basically just prolong your stay until you felt like you had an idea of if you were going to be, you know, with the team for a year, because you don't want to sign into a year lease and thinking I might get cut, so.
You got to live with other dudes who are trying to make it too.
No, well, the many you're outside of your rookie deal, you don't get paired up with roommates anymore. But when you're a rookie in those first couple of years, like you, they would put you with guys in the hotel, like when the team's go into the hotel.
Then it's just all competitions all the time.
Yeah, all the time.
It's gotta be some real hits and misses on the roommates that you Yeah, I had.
Not to get too often. Age my very first roommate, he had a he did a terrible job at missing the rim at night going to the bathroom, and he never cleaned it up, and it blew my mind, blew my mind. He would shave and get stuff all over the sink, and I'm just thinking, bro, we're sharing this.
You sound a little squeamish to me.
Yeah, you just go in and like, you know, you're going in the middle of the night, you step in some piss and you're just thinking, what are we doing? Brother, Like, turn the light on, figure it out. He wasn't a kicker, was no, he was an offensive lineman. I mean there's some dirty animal dirty.
Yeah, traditionally gross individuals.
But yeah, and then we started bonding over you know, as we circle to the podcasting world, we bonded over a lot of podcasting Rogan uh Ben Greenfield, he's big into like a lot of performance stuff, bio hacking, and so with our you know what we were doing, we we called each other account of bill of Buddies to where we'd be doing the song of the Cold Tub, like we'd be doing all this stuff with each other. And then Taylor would always you know, he's somebody who
when he he loves, he loves hard. So he would always want me to come over to his house, like every day. He would be like He'd just open it up for me every day. So he was kind of like the he was kind of like the one like hey, yeah, he would call me, be on speakerphone with him and his wife, who yet to me, Like, I was just telling Tailor about this tweet you had, like remember Malcolm Butler, like he talked about I thought you was a kicker because you seem like you got a construction worker body,
you know. But yeah, and then it was just just ascended from there. Man. We were boys, can.
You guys do your handshake this whole.
Thing right there.
That's a small one and stuff like that.
And that was what April may. And then he's inviting me to his wedding, which was in June, and I felt very like, I'm not like the most committal. I'm like, oh yeah, you know, and they're like, no, you're going. You have to go. You have to go, like we already did. We already got the spot for you.
You have to go rooms taking care of you have to be to buy your flight.
We ordered, we ordered your chicken breast exactly.
Catering is this much per play?
Yeah? And then from there, man, we just we worked out together in the summer at UH at the Vanderbilt University. UH. That's where we trained together in the off season, and then we just we kicked it off once the season hit and we were just that was that's that's the homie.
That's awesome story. Well told.
Yeah, I got a question.
So you guys have both like switched teams and moved. What's that like on like your wife's and girlfriends?
Like, is that tough?
Yeah, you know the time went op, especially if you have kids too.
I'm sure that's yeah.
I mean my wife that I have now, we weren't we were. We were just together when I went from Washington to Tennessee. Then I talked to her into moving to Tennessee and then as we I forget if we were engaged when I went to Oakland. No, I don't think it was, because that was the year I engaged. I proposed to her. But yeah, when you're leaving, So the Oakland situation happened, and that was like the last
that was middle of the year. I was with the Saints for like a couple of coffee, like ten days in the for the fourth preseason game, they called me up and I was like, oh man, I'm about to sign with the team right before the season starts. I didn't have to do any training camp. I didn't have to bang, so I didn't have to I didn't have to be out in the heat. I didn't have to do all that stuff on my man about to be on the squad, like just from you know, from the
start of the season. I get hurt in the fourth preseason game, get an injury, get cut, injury settlement, and then I'm kind of like on the couch until middle of the year, and then that's when Oakland called. There was a big part of me that didn't want to go at the time, and I think it's just because I just didn't want to travel and I was just kind of being a bitch. But my wife, you know, she you know, she basically like, hey, you got to go.
You know, you have to go. It does suck, but ultimately, you know, it's for a short period like two months tops at that time, and so then you know, when the season was over, she'd come out and visit. Then I come back home and I never really had to do it, like while we were married, while we were with a kid. I almost did last year when I signed with the Atlanta Falcons, which that would have been weird beginning. I would only been gone for like a month or two, So I never had to experience it
at the level that other guys have. Like we've had teammates to where they have a house or a place in the city, like say Nashville, and then their their family stays back because they might have kids who are already going to school and stuff, so they don't want to take them out of school like some of the older heads, and so they would just travel back and forth whenever they could, or just host them out for a game.
Yeah, when Will went to the Raiders that one time for those couple of months we the Titans actually played the Raiders in Oakland, it was like the second to last game in Oakland.
In the Coliseum, and there was this kid there.
He's like, now, one of the best pass rushers in all of the NFL's name is Max Crosby.
He went to Eastern Michigan. He's an absolute stud.
And he apparently like Will walked in and he's like, yoh, the boy, which is like kind of like our call thing for busting with the boys is like he was like, watched the show.
He was like about it.
Well, we go to play the play the Raiders and Will tells Max He's like, every sack you get on Taylor, I'll give you five hundred dollars. Will was plotting my demise before the game. The NFL is hard enough, then you're putting like the financial incentive under it. Thank God it didn't happen.
It didn't have that's amazing.
I was stressed out about that.
What because we we did throw out some some stats there for Taylor. The sacks are the thing when you're linebacker, the thing.
Yeah, did you ever get any buddy, oh brother, get anybody.
Something? If you want to pull it up, I'm sure you'll find it. There's a there's a sack out there that's flowing around that people like to reflect on once a year. And when I say people, I mean myself. But yeah, I had one. I had one sack to my name, one sack. Sam Bradford dabbed on him as well. It was it was. It was one of the highs of my career for sure. And then you know, I don't want to get to three interceptions. How many tackles. Uh, it's in the three hundreds. Oh wow the tackles.
Were you playing outside?
No?
I was?
I was inside off Okay, So I was never like a yeah, yeah, you see the short arms, like I'm no pass pass rush expert. Uh. Taylor blocked me a couple of times in practice, which really pissed me off because they were walkthroughs.
But it never never never give out here.
Yeah, yeah, never gifted in the pass rush Candy.
Yeah, because Will would be he's an off the ball linebacker inside the box, and he's got the green dogs from the neck.
We're playing from the He's instinctive.
Here we go, compliments Will, Is it extremely instinctive able to see formations of offenses and know essentially where the ball is going to go, if it's going to be a run or a pass. Like the man is a
student of the game. But when he was with the Titans, there were a few situations where they would it would be a call that would send them into a barefront, and a barefront is like end tackle knows tackle end and so it's like five down linemen, but you're taking a Mike linebacker and you're putting at the end spot and they put Will on me and it was a
run play and it's my boy. So I kind of wanted to give him a little bit of the give a little bit of business, let him know what d he was working with a little bit.
It was a jog through. It was a job.
So I took him to the sideline.
He's like, what are we doing.
That?
Yeah, but I got to finish through.
I meant it.
There's a funny were all the time. We were in Arizona one time where we're like we're, you know, banged up a little bit and we're we laid through in the YouTube and throwing like the twenty twelve Michigan versus Nebraska game. It was in in Nebraska, and we were watching a whole bunch of like we were just watching the game like reminiscent on all this is what this call is Like just a couple of guys, a couple of has beens, really enjoying looking at their old craft.
And there was one player like Michigan was getting dusted and I got a hold of Wheel on one play. It took him to the sideline. Will threw a punch at me in the game. Now it was there was a close.
And the Taylor Taylor looked at I was crying like a little bitch.
We awesome.
Yeah, our quarterback got hurt, but so we uh we duck on it today and shot yesterday. Talk about your pre in the past. What kind of fire arms experience do you guys have.
I mean, I go on an annual hunting trip with the boys. We have a little Texas group that goes down in South Texas once a year, but I wouldn't consider it a whole lot hunting white tail and nil guy and then some hogs. We got in the hog hut a couple of times. But that's a lot of fun. But growing up I didn't do a whole lot like my dad. Unfortunately massacred a white tail in front of me when I was a young pup and I never went back in the woods after that.
It turned you off, Yeah, it turned me off.
And because like deer season was always like in football season, and I just never had that itch to like go hunt, and you know he didn't have had that.
There was like it was like a reload follow up shot situation.
Oh yeah, probably five six shots. It was my dad was not happy about it, Like I mean, it wasn't you know. He hated it. He hated it. He hated it for me, He hated it for everybody but my dad, my old man. We didn't have like a tree center on, so we just be sitting against a tree and I'm like falling asleep at the time. So I'm thinking, like, man, I don't really care to hunt a whole lot right now.
Uh So I just never really got into hunting. But like I've been, you know, clay shooting a few times, so not a whole lot, but I guess enough to work around the barrel a little bit.
Yeah, for me, it was I've been clay shooting probably a handful of times. My dad used to take me a little bit when I was like eleven or twelve, but really never been hunting. I've been in two different hunting situations. One I was down in Baton Rouge, Louisiana with one of my buddies and his grandpa had like a tree stand in the backyard and we kind of just sat there for two three hours, and I just thought, what are we doing out here?
Man? Is that what you said?
He saw?
Yeah?
So I saw.
I literally I remember sitting there, I saw a butter butterfly and a bunny rabbit. I literally just followed the butter butterfly for a while, got buller went down patience. Yeah, yeah, maybe I just take out this bunny with this thirty odd six real quick.
But I didn't.
I didn't, you didn't know.
And then uh that was that was it. And then a couple of years ago, I had a buddy in Nashville, Tennessee for Ford Tomlin. He took me his family's got a farm and we went turkey hunting. It was like the last week of turkey season. Did not see one turkey? Hear any Yeah, I heard a couple that sounds like, what's that?
What that sounds like?
Go ahead, next, what you got for us?
Anybody that tells a turkey story, you can tell if he's a turkey hunter. When he gets to the gobble part, he doesn't do a guy.
He goes, you got a good turkey, You got a good turkey. So it is so I didn't see nothing, and so.
Yeah, but so I've shot a gun a couple of times, but literally today was the first like organized hunt that was successful for me. And it was I told you while we were sitting in the blank. I will go back, I will I will come back here, I will go anywhere and do it again.
That was awesome.
You guys were a really quick study shooting. I know you've been done some shooting before, so whatever. You didn't come in being like I know all about this, get out of my way. Yeah, but Cal and I were talking about it, and we were talking about how the hunting with you seeing you shoot, well, that was so fun. It was like you spent your whole lifetime getting coached and absorbing information.
And then of trying to apply that information right.
Hand eye coordination, situational awareness. Yeah, I don't know, like like you want to be successful, competitiveness drive. Yeah, it makes you realize that, I'll say to you, spend your whole life trying to get good at something, and then you see someone get like be proficient at some aspect of it really quickly and you sort of wishing that
they can't figure it out. Well, it just goes to show how constructive all these years, these guys can't hit a duck save their lives, And you're like, oh, ship, they hit ducks just like all my friends do. Duck hunts is they're not Steve.
Steve, Now you missed a few clays yesterday.
I would say that the clay shooting part was more nerve wracking than the first duck coming out, Yes, because it was all of us really meeting for the first time and you're like, Jimmy, we're gonna try to get a couple and we'll be in a brave boy like I'll go first, and he misses it, I'm like, miss everything.
I think part about duck hunting too, is like you're so in the moment and like you just kind of black out and your instincts take over. Yes, Like that's what happens to me a lot, And it's just like the minute you start to think about it is when you start to miss.
I feel like I shoot so much better when it's just like a fashion Some point out that a duck is about six times bigger in the clay pitch.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I shoot so much better when I'm not standing there being like okay, I'm gonna say ready, and then when I say ready, this is what I'm gonna do and I'm not gonna do that. It's just better when you just do it.
Yeah, it's like something just comes in and you're like, oh boom.
We used to put people through something just excruciating and still do as we did yesterday, which is like in filming, filming mediater episodes, you know, oftimes you'll have someone come in and they flew in with their rifle. So then it's like when we gotta go test your rifle. We got to check your rifle, make sure it didn't get this, didn't get knocked off of zero. So then here's this person, you know, they just got off a plane. There's like
eight people staring at him. You put the target out there.
And you always have someplace to be. That's the most fun part. It's always on a schedule where it's like, you.
Know, the we gotta get well, ain't gonna watch. It's gonna be the only person is gonna be more awkward for if you shoot poorly, is it's gonna feel awkward for me. So I'm gonna resent you for that reason. It's gonna look very awkward for you.
And we started shooting yesterday.
Just get real quiet.
Everyone's standing there and it's like you guys are kind of pretend you didn't see it.
You guys are like, yeah, these are like the uh, the brand in the outdoor game. And you know, I won't speak for you, but I know coming out here, I didn't necessarily have my arms all the way around that. And then the buzz of us coming out here for my buddies are people that knew we were coming. It almost put a little bit more. It put more pressure on us, or more pressure on me. Like when we put out a photo and like everyone's like, oh my god,
blah blah blah. You're just thinking these guys, yeah, I knew they were good. I didn't know. It was like the following was like this. So everything we're out there doing, I'm just thinking, like, man, I hope I'm good for the media guy.
Like I hope I can own my own. Like, hope I don't shoot one of these guys.
You're talking about guys getting dude's being getting shot and getting peppered, And I'm thinking, oh my god, yea wild, we're.
Gonna sit ya. We could have sent y' out for pepper and all right, it's out there, you know, just shoot. So what what how did you feel about the duck hunting? Give me some of your impressions from duck hunting uh, the actual act of duck hunting, right.
Not just I loved it. I thought it was awesome, Like again that annual home we do it kind of like when you're out there before the sun, the sun comes up, you see the critters coming out, you kind
of just see like the nature and everything else. You kind of like understand, uh, why everybody is so into And it's one of those things where I still haven't went from zero to one by buying myself a rifle or anything like that yet, but it's one of those things you leave and you're like, man, I gotta like die, I gotta get it into the sport because I have buddies that travel all over the country, like you know, all the spots, spots in Arizona, Colorado, Utah, everywhere, and
it just seems like a lot of fun. So coming out here like getting to experience duck hunting like I've always heard that duck hunting is like all time and so getting to do it at the level we got to do it on the grounds, we got to do it on it was just like it happening in real time and we were knocking them down. It was just it was so much fun. And again like getting to do with you guys, like being like, Okay, you know you want to you want to impress the squad, you want to impress the boys.
You impressed me.
I'll tell you that.
When one wed go down, and we'd all be Yeah, it was unique because like when we're talking about the hunt and you're saying it's spoiled guy duck hunting because of the blind and how it's set up and the way you guys are explaining it. In my mind, I'm essentially painting the picture of what it's all going to be like, and then you show up and it's completely different. So really, when I first get there, I'm like really just trying to just be aware of all the stuff
going on. You hand me the the decoys and I go set those up over there, and I'm thinking, oh my god, I don't this is not like do I just pull a string here?
Do I put these on?
I pulled the maxsime, Hey, so how do I thought these little.
Decoy?
And I do I have to have a confession. I'm the one who singled out and pulled out the duck and I was like, hey, do I just throw this on the water, Like yeah, get off the thing, and I'm just thinking, I just step back.
So it comes over to me and hands me a duck with out a weight on it, and I'm.
Like, sometimes this is sometimes it's like falls off. And I look at it and the clips like fully unclipped from the weight taking through the loop out and like the string with the weight on it. Karen Beener and he asked me, He goes, do I just set this out there?
And I looked at it and I'm like, shoot, there's no weight on it.
He goes back and I didn't say a word. I got real quiet on the water. We're gonna go from here to here, and I'm like all right, and I found.
The uh string with the weight on it, and I was like, okay.
I I just didn't want to say yeah.
The wild thing is it's like you're so focused on your dog calve the whole time. You're so fire off the steve. You're just even when we had to do the beaver trapping after that was like impromptu. You're just a man on a mission, so all right, go do this. And then you're trudging through the water and all that, and I have to like assume how to throw it out pull Max aside throwing and everything out there.
He said, the railroad thing like something weapons like, no, no, that's not it.
We had to go put a trap out for Mark and I literally it was like kids with their dad like me, Will and JP. He's like, all right, we pulled this through the cemetery and you're just you're literally run jumps over in front of us.
Like you're just working.
He goes and jumps of fence and looks back at the boys like what the flors was the jump this fence? I hop at my kname like, oh my god. He's like down the helmet, Hey, do we need to come with you? He stayed there for a second.
I'll be right back.
So like then like old fat guy body over the beans and we're kind of just watching you just move and he's like looking around picking stuff up.
That's not it.
We did the truck and he's like yeah, oh dude, he's like looking at it, grabbed his.
Taste like this is a man out here. And we get to We end up getting back in the truck and going down the hill and uh, Steve's like looking around.
He's like, God, where is it. I'm an idiot?
And he starts calling people, I need you to bring X, Y and Z the thing we ended up using with the beaber, Yeah, the castor lure. And he goes, Taylor, you do in the back right corner there's a there's a steel blah blah blah blah railroad railroad tie plate. And I'm like, yeah, I got you, brother, And I started.
Looking to him like what the and I just giggling.
I pull out like there was like a shovel and he's like, no, it's flat, and I'm like, we'll get over here.
And that's what makes it so funny.
Just keep going when you were kids that you crush pennies on the railroad tracks and notice how they hold them all together.
No railroad tracks and cave tree.
Then he's down, he's down in the water and he's like, hey, when you guys got a pocket knife? And I was like, oh, I left it at home.
In the hotel.
So I was like one day and he's like, uh, you grab something out of there and cut off like cut off the willows or cut off the Wilson. You're gonna have tell me.
What willow will sticking these flyers.
He goes to reach over and cut out what he was saying, because there's just like.
There's just like a protective fence around these trees that Mark is trying.
To Marks trying to re establish the gentleman that his place is trying to get willows re established, willows along as riparian areas, which, as I was explaining to you guys, just decades and decades of cattle grazing and other stuff eliminated all the willows. So he's trying to get the willows going and he fences them in. But every time he puts them in there and puts the fence around him,
somehow or no, the beavers still get him. He's trying to hold the beavers back long enough to get his willows re established.
And you're on these branches and I end up He's like reach over and cut off a couple branches. I'm just looking at this fence. I'm like, I can't get over this fence. So I'm thinking maybe he just wants me to press up against the fence and cut I'm cutting some like dead flowers, like yeah, get poked in my damn. And he's like, hey, that's that's that's go over the tree in front of the truck and start like clipping those and I go over with JP. I'm like, man,
I don't know what. I don't know what he's talking about. I just start cutting these branches. He's like, he's like, he's alive or dead? And I'm just thinking, yeah, I don't know. He's like, is they're green in them? He got He's like, oh no, these are dead. He's like, we got to go get some ones that have some green and them. Go over to that red tree, go over to those red branches and get me some branches because he's trying to set this trap. But we were
all in. We had the full meat eatior experience.
Yeah.
But going back to the duck hunt, which is where this question originated, it was very cool to see like one of the the way your dog was operating. I thought, I thought that I get a real kick out of that. I don't have a temperament for dogs, but the ones that are real good I love.
Man.
Yeah, and then the first one coming in, you start to feel start to feel like nervous and everything, and you know steve'son there all right, this one's coming in.
All right.
When I say go you guys do it, And I think takes a hard right turn and goes get it, and we both get up and pump hit it, and he's like, all right, well that duck is destroyed and we're gonna have to We're gonna have to go back and forth.
That was like a to me.
I was like, oh, that's a good little feeling, you know. And then you have to call names. And then when you unloaded your gun, there was a moment from me. I was like, oh man, we're really shooting well out here, right.
That's great. Yeah, you were kind of leveling up throughout the day, but I think.
The shot of the day was that duck coming overhead and will with the swing swing because yesterday you were talking about the clay. If you can get one of those like that and we'll pop that thing up, no problem, and took it.
You know, you're shooting Clayer leaving from your feet, Yeah, flying out And I said, be more realistic. If the shooter went out there and then try to hit him coming out, let it fly over you and hit it behind him.
I'll tell you what.
The one mess up, the biggest mess up today was when that teal hit the water, Like, get out there, go get him, and so I like pop out trying to impress my dad.
Out here.
Let's go, I'm gonna show him.
Get the gun.
I get him in my sights. He starts taking off. I'm like, this is gonna be awesome safety.
So I just walk back. Or when that teal was going by and then I was like, Taylor, get it, get it, get it, And it seems like hey, no, no, no, I'm a little excited at.
The fire cal. We were talking about this in the blind and I gave an answer, but it wasn't real specific. Uh how many hours you're into your dog? Oh, I said thousands?
Probably, Yeah, I mean you're one, it's like two hours a day for like training training, and then twenty four
hours a day for obedience training. You know you're I mean it's like like I said, like, uh, when we were plucking birds and having her place on my jacket, like you are always always training, and so like when that when you get that brand new little puppy, you can almost essentially at like seven weeks, imprint things that are going to be very beneficial to you for the rest of that dog's life or things that you will absolutely for the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's yeah, it's not.
I mean yeah, I mean great training, place, training, healing.
I mean at all those good citizens.
At the end of the day, you're like you're training, but you're also like keeping that dog safe too, because like say, if we were like a bunch of trucks driving around in the field or whatever, you tell your dog place and that dog doesn't move, of like your dog's gonna be safe.
Yeah, yeah, and there's like a couple of run around trying to bite truck tires.
It's good ran over for sure.
Think of how many like public hunting spots that are like unfortunately, like right next to the highway, right and dog goes and tries to chase a rooster, a crippled duck or whatever, and yeah, it's just yeah, there's so many ways for things to go bad, and they're the hunting bond is is amazing because they put all of their trust in you, and when you watch them get hurt, sometimes they come back to you and they're like you said, go, I went, what happened? You know, And it's like that
all you know all the time. So yeah, but lots of lots of time in the dog.
When we got our dog, I got it to where I could say get over here and it would do that, and then where I could say get out of here, it would do that. And I'm like, this dog is trained.
That's great and go.
Largely largely of intonation here She's.
Now That relationship is awesome. And I said to snort is famous. Like my buddy texted like, hey, how cow's dog do ask me about?
Did you tell me about the story on the dog?
I did see the was missing a little bit of fur, Yeah, exactly, the bald eer.
Yeah, it's it's a super long story, but yeah, she got bit by a snake and almost died. But the result is I got a dog with balder, which is yeah.
I've been talking lately way three legged dogs. There's so many three legged dogs around these days and how much attention they get and got me thinking like if you had a one eared dog, it would get a lot of attention.
You know, people would want to come up and pet the way. It's kind of like a patch missing, you know. So I think that most people are like, something's wrong with that dog, like dog's got cancer, dogs got something, so nobody says anything about it, which is pretty funny. It takes a while to like warm up and be like, so, what's the deal with that?
Ear, I'm so sorry about your laws?
Maybe yeah, but yeah, we got to dole out compliments to you guys. So, like Steven said, situational awareness, I mean just so just relaxing to be around people who are in that first time position but can decipher for themselves, like, oh, this is what these guys with more knowledge in this situation are picking up on. So you guys are looking
where we're looking. You know, we didn't spend a whole lot of time talking about the hands of the clock right when we're like birds at twelve o'clock, birds at two o'clock.
I'm talking about the movement of your hands.
Yeah, we did. I was like, hey, there's one over there.
Yeah, look your eyes.
Damn giant.
Why don't you wave about it?
Hey?
But you know, it's crazy, as we were hiding from those ducks the whole time. As soon as we got out of the blind, like fifty of them, we're just kind of ripping around us. We should have just hung out on top.
Yeah, sometimes that happens, like all that, like keep quiet.
But yeah, the the the camaraderie aspect, he has obviously up down right, so you know that things are just better better when people are happy. And so you guys joke around, but then the serious things you immediately click in and turn it on and we're like, yeah, gun safety, we're serious about that. Oh, somebody's trying to uh improve what we're doing a little bit. Oh okay, be focused, be serious and then, like we already covered, you immediately
apply it or try to apply it right. Which there's a lot of uh teaching of fishing hunting stuff too, where it's like, yeah, I have certain people that have been around a lot, you know, it's like why I need to just quit talking because this person does not apply it, like they need to fall in their face over and over again and then then which is how I really learned a lot of things too. But you guys are not not those folks.
I know what you're talking about. You Like I say to my boy, he's like, I'm gonna go get that duck, Like you're not gonna get that duck. Not gonna go get that duck. You I can get that duck now, I'm gonna go go Okay, go get the duck. In a while later, like didn't get the dock.
I didn't get the duck.
Did you see all the ducks? I scared away by walking around and all the things. You're like, yep, I did, okay, now yeah, and then uh appreciators the number Like, man, it is such a bummer to have any sort of a day, any sort of an experience, and at the end of the day, you're like, I just don't know if these people took home what they were supposed to take home, right, but you.
Cat wasted all his nice emotion on him.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I got to bottle all that ship back up.
Is he left it land in the blind?
Yeah?
But yeah, being around people who appreciate, like oh, the place, the instruction, the just you know, the time and effort stuff, the basic stuff. And you guys are appreciators. So thank you very very much for that, because that's that's a big deal.
Yeah, this has been incredible And I felt the last thing. You know, I'm sure you felt this way too, Like you're you don't want to be like standing around too much, Like the last thing you want is to be like a liability or to leaving people like, oh they kind of they kind of sucked.
Yeah, I don't know if you noticed our host this morning. Let's not talk about who he said it about, but our host this morning said, of a couple of individuals, neither of them is someone you'd want to be in a duck blind with. But you see what he's getting that. Yeah, yeah, don't want me to duk line. That's like a thing you guys can start saying that now.
Yeah, well you know you're like getting your hands around the meat eater thing. Right. Well, Krin does a phenomenal job. And despite despite the phenomenal job that Krin does, I don't read all of her emails, even when they're sent directly to me.
Uh.
And I was like, uh, football, guys, I didn't know if you played football. I don't know if you just talk about football.
Was like, Ship, I played football, and uh yeah.
So.
I was like the runt of the litter and I played offensive tackle. So I was like, I was like, you know, Ship, that's great. So it's a big soft spot for the old line, especially tackles. And then uh, my family, my dad went to law school in d C. So I was there during like the eighty six U super yeah right, and so and we were like lifelong Redskins fans.
And so Doug Williams was the QB and I can sing you the.
Fight song to this day. Well I'm not gonna do it right, No, hell to the Redskin heal victory.
Oh, I got it.
Yeah, everybody knows that one. You didn't do that big surprise, But I mean that's great.
What I didn't do that was poor hostings. I didn't I didn't do I didn't offer up a good synopsis of busting with the boys. Do you mind up offering up a you know, if someone says, you know, what's your show about?
Yeah, I mean, I guess in a nutshell, it's like we have a platform where everything we do we want
to bring the locker room to life. So if you guys were to come on the bus, which would be awesome one day, it's just how do you, you know, have the camaraderie, have the vibes of like getting to know you your story, like bringing that locker room the life that we kind of grew up in, because the locker room is such a melting pot where jokes and like all the stuff that you wish everybody got to experience and kind of, you know, we had the privilege of playing in the NFL and playing at the level
we got to to where you know, we're able to have kind of these raw conversations and have fun with all of our guests, uh, to where it is like we the goal of bringing the locker room to life is it is it sweaty and steamy. It has been used to be and sometimes it still does. Just like you know, your back and.
Towels laying everywhere on your.
I told you about before. When we first started, we were in the back of an RV park. Yeah, feeling stealing heat in like ninety degree weather right next to the train tracks.
Yeah.
Plate, Yeah, that.
First year we were we were it was because the bus doesn't run. It just sat in the gravel. It was just in a gravel parking lot. And we would have to tarp it up to where the heat wouldn't get in and we're you know, July dying, and then we'd have to power it with uh you know, if we got to plug into the r V the r V park or just running it off a generator or two. And that's how we kind of, you know, started it. Yeah, it's kind of how it got going. Then we got
in a little shed. Now we're in a little bit better warehouse. I know, the working conditions can be better for the team.
Like you go, you walk into place like this, you're like, man, we really are screwing our should Yeah.
And then it's it's obviously available anywhere people want to go get it.
Yeah, yep, Spotify, Apple, downcast, YouTube, whatever you want.
That's how you can find bust with.
And how if people want to if people want to have a laugh looking at you guys stuff. And you're real active on social media.
Oh yeah, very active on social media.
We posted three times just be on the show. Yeah, we touch my phone once. That's how active we are.
Yeah.
But yeah at Busting WTB.
Not individual pages.
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I appreciate you coming on the show, and I appreciate uh, you guys going and doing the duck hunt with us.
Man, it was so much fun, so much fun. So if you guys want to do it again, we are available.
We will.
Yeah, seriously, thank you guys. This was this was a blast.
No, you were a lot you guys, a lot of fun to hang out with. And I appreciate your uh uh good good guys to laugh with.
Yeah, yeah, goodvies. Four point five. Take that with you.
I will take that with you.
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The solid attempt at a beard, Yeah, it.
Was an attempt. I wouldn't say it's anything I ever need to go back to great a mustache Yeah. Yeah. By the way, you have a very strong mustache.
Myself, I can't grow beard, so this is what I got.
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Ye, all all have is a mustache. It's all looks like Pubi Carroll honestly.
Yeah. I grew an entire guiding season. This is back when I was living in Missoula entire fall guiding season. I decided, I was like, I'm going to force this and I did not shave the entire time. And I got back to town and went to like my favorite bar, bartenders right and uh like Charlie b situation, like all female bartenders, and everyone was like, just what are you doing?
Oh, speaking of pubes. Uh, I had to go do this thing I was telling you guys, remember telling you this or not? Like I had this like sort of weird pain moving around my groinal region.
Oh, we've talked about it.
It was like over my legs, swollen testicles.
You had the well, no, it wasn't, though you had that rash. I don't know what be like in the crease of my It's just moving around. And I know, and I'm real susceptible to stuff too, Like if you tell me that, if you also said you had elbow cancer, I swear my elbowed hurt and Seth had some kind of hernia deal going on, and but that wasn't it. And and so I had this wandering pain and then your mind starts running away with you, and I'm always uh. So I was like, man, maybe maybe I got to
hern you, maybe I got testicular cancer. So I go down and it's like, legit hurts, but they've ruled out all the bad stuff. But uh, when you go to get this done, this is the most It's not humiliating beause everybody down there is cool.
But you got it.
They like you lay down, okay, and they come in and they you say, you take your pants off. They come in and say, like, lay your penis up on your stomach, and then.
That's so funny.
I don't.
Yeah, don't worry.
I'll hold it here the entire time.
And then you put like a little towel over and then they lay the boys like up on the platter like.
Between and then they're like digging in there.
It's so compromising.
I had a sport, heard you, I had sarved. Yeah.
The first that you think that gel gel, you tell like anything going through your head about how like the woman doesn't care.
Tell me for a second. When that gel hit your mind, you're like, I come down here.
What's so funny as you can tell? Yeah, just the fact she's like this, I do this for a living. Yeah, I appreciate this is probably strange for you, but I don't care. There's nothing I could see. There's nothing I could not see that I care about.
That's funny, that's awesome. Good for you on that.
I'm fine. I still know why I have a little phantom wandering pain. But maybe, like I don't know, strang a little strange guys.
So what is the next hunt? You guys gonna uh started scheming and and find another one here after this duck adventure.
Part of me wants to hit some big game.
I think.
Something about camping. I want to sit there and be like, it's been four days. We've been on the trail for four days.
We're un We can make you eat those words.
You know, there's no question and.
I'm I'm not what you would call a survivor. You're not gonna put me in the wild to be like, we'll see in a week. I will be dead in a week, picked apart, so I will definitely need you if that was ever gonna be the case. Yeah, just press the button, right.
I think an l kunk would be really.
Everyone's to hunt them milk.
Yeah, I don't know a lot of them these days, to see I see.
I think Bear would be sweet.
In the Chester's office yesterday, he's got that. He's talking me about the story of how he got it. I was like, man, every story just an apex predator out there, me and him.
It's roast beef of the woods man. That's Bears.
Yea, yeah, what are you saying about ducks?
The prime rim of the Sky, the woods, Prime the Sky, It's all good everything guys, thanks for coming on the show Man.
Yes, thank you, I appreciate it.
Thank you very much. With the boys to subscribe. Listen good shooting over and out. All right, let's do that check.
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