Ep. 397: Don't Nočakarēt Christmas

going on in Wisconsin, states with highest alcohol. The truth about Wisconsin t it's got to be. I heard when I was in Wisconsin this year for rifle season. I heard that there's more brandy consumed in one county of Wisconsin than in the rest of the country. It wouldn't count. I wouldn't put it past them because they like it, throwing it in an old fashioned like a brandy old fashioned sweet? Is it popular? One? Chester? You're right and

you're wrong. Okay, number eight number what's number one? New Hampshire really four four point six seven gallons per person? Delaware three point five two gallons per personally, Nevada number three three point four two gallons. Montana's number five. So you would have to start your story by saying something like Wisconsin, what did I say, with less drinking than where we're sitting now? What I say, but still more

than forty other states. I guess what I mean is people like to drink, but people like to drink there, and I don't I think this is legal. Don't quote me on this, but it happens all the time when but you're quoting yourself. This is, this is recorded. This will exist until the Internet stops. Yeah, well, right right now. If you're like, if it's okay with the bar and the bartenders, if you're in a bar with your parents, Let's say you're eight years old and they let you

have a beer. And as long as it's okay with your parents and you're with your parents and the bartenders like, yep, give him Miller, you can drink. M hmm. Here's the problem with story like that. It can't be true. You just say you say no. It's like it's so easy to find out if that's true or not. It'll just take a second Google. But I think that it was illegal, but I think that's just how you were brought up. It is true, and I know why, because there's no

drinking age. If you're with your parents. Because Kyle Rittenhouse, the dude in the Kenosha thing, there was a big story that he was seen in a bar with his parents drinking beer. Um, despite being under age. How does that make it true because it was observed? Yeah, but I could observe you stealing my ship and that would make no. No No. No. It wasn't like he was observed doing something like illegal. It was like, this is a

thing that happened. And then the story I believe, had an amendment, amendumdendm adendum in it's saying you can do that in Wisconsin. M Again, who's just so usually so Yeah, I'm trying to get there. No ship. Yes, persons underage twenty one may possess and consume alcoholic beverages if they're with their parents. I figured I was. But I am saying stuff online where it will be around forever, you know,

just like you said. So with Kyle Rittenhouse, someone pointed out like, well here's what I'll tell you, and they somehow made it pertinent, like oh, I don't understand what nothing. Merry Christmas? So that was just I can't remember what we're talking about. Chester, Well, we were just talking about drinking and Chris making a not Christmas drink. Very it's it's pretty Christmas e it's Kevin's fancy meat eater, fancy

pants cocktail. It s got um hibiscus syrup in it, which hibiscus is a flower that folks from the Caribbean make a beverage out of with uh cloves and cinnamon called cerell. So it's like a cerell syrup with um lemon juice uh madera cecil which is a port fortified like dry port wine from Portugal. And the main ingredient is Satal from Desert Door, which is a distillery in Driftwood,

Texas that we went there. We went there, yep um, and they the beverage's name is satal, which is the same name of the plant satoll, which is the same name as a plant. It looks kind of like it looks like yeah um, and these dudes take it away, so they're they're satoll is from wild satol. It's not like they don't grow it in a agave farmer plantation.

They go out to big ranches or go out and strike a deal with the rancher and clear like some percentage of the satol on a place that's cool and then ferment that ship and make that satoll Oh it's good man. Oh yeah, I loved it. It's real good. So wasn't that was fun? Made us all that food? Oh it was great. So yeah, Jesse Griffith's um, I was associated. He's got some of his food. That was a snuggled snuggled baby orc. Yeah. Right, that was a big day. Saw the stole place. We did a lot

of things. It was like a we had like an adventure day. It's kind of like that when you go down there with Jesse. Yeah he wasn't no not Yeah, we like just missed him. But so Kevin Um created the recipe for this cocktail. I'll put it in the show notes um and if you guys want to try it, you'll have all the info there. And Desert Door actually just made their web shop live, so it's basically just shop desert door dot com. And they're really cool distillery.

They're really interested in conservation. They have a nonprofit wing called Wild Spirit Wild Places. Since it's tall as wild harvested, they really um, you know, it's it's important to them to keep the landscape healthy. So this wild plant continues to grow great the least. The more you think about it, the more you'll get the answer. Right, it's gotta be some with like dry count good listen, Nope, you know what. Those guys stick to their guns. Remember when I was

naming all the drinking amounts. Okay, so one point three five gallons of alcohol consumption per capital. That's one point three five as opposed to the winner at four point six seven five times is drunk in that state? M Hm? Where's Pennsylvania sit on the list? I'm curious somewhere in the vast middleman because this goes to number ten, which is South Dakota, because of the little tidbit they throw in the least. Yeah, that's because it's hard to buy

beard gas stations in Pennsylvania. Chester Here, this will help your story. Buddy, What city drinks the most alcohol? Milwaukee, Wisconsin? Nope, Nope, Madison, Kenosha, Green Bay. Point five of the drink of the of adults in that place, by definition, drink excessively. Most of it happens on the ice or on the water. Well, guess what state drinks the most beer? Mississippi. In New Hampshire, they're drinking forty one five gallons of beer per person,

and the King of Beers is their favorite beer. I thought it'd be a warm state. Oh, this is surprising Christmas podcast. No, here's one you'll never guess. Here's there's a lot of people that are drinking. No one in this rum will guest. Come on, what state drinks the most wine? No one got this. It's not gonna be California. Gave it away. You're right. I should have said everyone will get it California. Are you serious? It's not California. No one's gonna get it. Indiana. Okay, I'm gonna go

to round the room. Johnny Washington, d C. So that's not a state. New Jersey, I don't know, Hunter, Virginia, kar Washington state. Phil, I'm gonna say Florida. That sounds like a weird choice. That's a great choice. Old people. Yeah, old wine drinkers. Oh yeah, that is good. Phil, Minnesota, Hayden, Connecticut, Idaho, No, neverwhere. But listen to how low it is. This is. It's surprised. So Idaho drinks the most wine per capita, but it's

their only drink at one point to one gallon. They're only drinking one point two gallons of wine per person in Idaho, but New Hampshire they're doing four point six seven gallons of beer per person. I guess it makes sense because three times stronger. Everyone in New Hampshire, every like every single person in New Hampshire. It's like how many bush lights seven and I have on a weekly basis when you're working in the garage here. I want to I wanna play something for people like this wild.

I'm probably the only one that remembers this. I'm the only one that's old enough. Um, you know the guy sitting to your left, you're constantly calling old. Oh no, he's he's off the ages and things. Oh that's right. I forgot sorry, I got a call of HRR. I was like, it sounds like you, j jar layoff. Brody, it's Christine. I just got a cold. Brody thinks it's funny, but everybody else has had enough. He's a good sport about it. But other people are really good upset themselves

at night. Okay, we remember this. Nothing brings back warm holiday memories like the songs and Carol's You Love and Only Time. Life's Treasury of Christmas brings you all your favorite holiday songs in one collection. Dude, I watched that thousands of times on accident when I was a kid. You watched the commercial the Time Life. Okay, it's a long story. Do you know about this? I mean I feel like I remember what you just played from my youth. Okay, okay,

Hey has single handedly have you done all the lyrics? Dude, I've created a monster. Yeah, Hayne has single handedly rewritten every Christmas song to have a hunting and fishing theme. Every everyone, everyone in the cannon. So many broad strokes that were that were so many that we're making one of these commercials with uh, we're making one of these commercials. We're making a Time Life two c d s or two whatever cassettes of all the rewritten holiday songs. Oh

that's great. It's just stressed briefly. But I didn't know you guys were going that far into the Wired to Hunt podcast. You've definitely maybe too many times. I'm not not do it. I'm just I'm just a cheerleader. All I did, all I did, and it was I told him that that he has to get some female vocalists because it can't just be the same two people singing all the songs that was my input because my favorite one is, um, you guys, see you guys still take

my advice on it. You're gonna do it. Maybe it's cold outside. Yeah, and it's a risk ay song like it is. I don't know how it's still in the holiday can Well it's been um, it's been canceled, like Michael Boublet and John Legend have re recorded it with unproblematic lyrics and it's and like it's it's not it's I mean it's really bad, but like because there's a guy. It's a Christmas song. There's a guy he uh is he has a female guest she would really like to leave.

He's discouraging her from leaving and saying, just have some more drinks. Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely Stevie. But I think we can let the song exist and acknowledge that it's it's Stevie without recording eight new versions that are so I'm not looking to cancel it just song. However, However, it was brought up when we talked about doing it. It was brought up that I was like, Okay, someone brought up like, but you're kind of like goofing on

what do you guys. What are you guys having a side deal about we're working on We're going to add to this conversation. Okay, it was brought up how the song has has become like kind of a joke, right, It's like a it's a you know, this guy's trying to a ladies trying to leave and he's like, no, you know, it's very cold outside us. They gonna have some more drinks. You know that happens in Wisconsin all the time. But there's no malicious intent. They're like most

there's no malicious intent. It's like, no, no, have another old fashioned please let me make you another one, and they're like no, but I gotta go. You're like it's cold. They're like, okay, I'll have one more acent it's snow and wait for the plows coming to clear. It's no malicious intent at all. Oh I got one four? Do you know what? Um? You know? You know what's I know we're in the middle of a story, but I remember reading states that have the most hypothermia, and there's

there's a surprise in there. I think it's like it's like it goes like Alaska, New Mexico, Montana or something like that was that a trivia question? No, but I have a theory about it. Well, I don't want to get into my theory about it anyhow, So after we're done, I'll do it. When Phil turns the machine off, um so he so so the Cold Outside song someone, I

was like, he redid it? Hayd and rewrote it where it's someone wants to go home from hunting but someone's forcing him to stay and I and I was like, well it should be like a you know, I should it should be like a guy wants to stay hunting but his wife wants to go home. And I was like, that checked it. So I'm like, whatever, So now you guys are gonna do it. Okay, Well I'm gonna do a quick pass, not cutting edge, just show us we

have the same sex couple. But we we did. In fact, Austin from Accounting Serious break aside from the podcast, Austin from Accounting did come in and sing the song She's not here right now here, A little taste, a little teaser. I just have the raw files, I haven't put them to music yet, so okay, so we can either play you know what I said, to my credit. To my credit, I said Okay, haven't be the woman wants to stay and the guy wants to go home, which is isn't

that what what we did? Hidden? No, okay, I was just saying, I don't care how you do it. I don't care what the dynamic is. I just thought, like a duet should be a man and a woman. Oh so you're more like on like the ethos of a duet, less the ethos of the content of this song. I just feel that when I'm listening to do you should be a man and a woman of this nature. Yes, I don't care who's on what side Johnny and Chewn Carter. Sure, I don't care who's on what side. If it's two

guys sitting, I don't count it as a duet. No, it's kind of a harmony at that point. Two dudes can't duet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's you got the most one, you got the most wonderful? Time to kill deer queued up? I can Okay, song, so they did the whole How how long is it gonna take you to find it? We're gonna do it. We're going, for instance, the most wonderful Okay, for instance, for instance, the most what's that Christmas Carol, the most wonderful time of year. Yeah,

something like that this time. Yeah classic. Well, Henry wrote it as the most wonderful time to kill play it, play a snippet boys. Good to see you, Hayden. It's been a while. Hey, sorry, I'm it. I crashed my ponty at gast. I can do a light pool and how to walk the rest of the way. But I'm here now, that's what matters. Give me a glass of Scotch, please, Hayden. Just two rocks in there. I don't like ice. I'm starting already. Is this happening? Okay, give me the give

me the glass, thank you. Okay, here we go. It's the most wonderful time to kill deer. With the run now, just starting and dashing and dotting and thanks, cutting clean. It's the most wonderful time you killed deer. There's far too much ice in this glass. It's the half happy one, beating and cold from some fleeting. The last week so fun. It's the half happy. Is season of amazing and bragging and boasting truck beds with big bucks and tow There will be narrow miss stories and tales of your glories

of booner bucks missed with our ball. It's the most wonderful time crush to kill dear, not just one baby two. There will be no dose of blowing and loom and knocks glowing and blood trails so clean. It's the most wonderful time to kill dean. Excuse me? Can I have a napkin? Please? I just spilt some scotch on my loafers.

I can't have dirty loafers in the studio. Thank you tailgate beers for drinking and big boxes slinking and chasing and sent checking does They will be fighting and scraping and no more escaping and arrow shot true hitting home key change. But no told me that it's the most wonderful time to kill deer. I was very unprepared for this. There will be much morning sitting in cold fronts, hitting the dawn crispin clean. It's the most swonderful time, Oh,

the most swonderful time. It's the most swonderful time to kill dean. There's too much ice in the glass. To amazing lot of questions and comments. It's called Treasury of Christmas. I'm really in the spirit now, I'm like that big time. I'm fired. But my question is is the is the care that you're playing that singing that is that Sinatra was going for a rap back thing. Yeah, I mean there was no one specific. Okay, okay, okay, more drinks are being poured. Everybody likes to drink pure hit me

with the other songs? What else is on there? So we're gonna do that's the only one that's completed. All the other ones were hate and I have. We recorded a couple and recording more either today or tomorrow. Do the duet? So is this gonna be like a legit c D. It's gonna be a joke commercial or whatever, but we can't actually buy the product that was about be available and like at least to listen to. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I know you don't like things

that go viral, but that's gonna go, right. So, how you guys gonna how you guys gonna So when people hear the commercial and they hear all the songs, Yeah, Hayden wrote out he didn't write a so he wrote a old version for Most Wonderful Time to Kill Deer, and then for the rest of the songs he just wrote kind of like thirty second snippets that you would hear in a Time Life commercial. You know, I just kind of goes do it, does the montage thing. So

we're not gonna have full songs of everyone. Who's got the damn list? Who's got the list? Hey, I mean, hey, Hayden wrote the list. I've got the list in front of my face. Hit me with the couple. Yeah, okay, so we've got Okay, we'll go in five. That's what we're gonna do right Now's baby, It's okay, we're going five. I think that's one of the ones that's not done. You guys are gonna do it together right now. We're doing it live. Who's what you guys is playing the um?

Who's playing the person that wants to go? Phillis person you're the first person. I'm in the parentheses here fills the guy that already killed. So he's like, I go out with Hayden. I'm away better hunter. So yeah, I already notched my tag. Okay, so this is playing off play a snippet of the play a snippet of the song Phill, Just to remind people what that is. I didn't have that cute. Yeah, I thought you guys got it right here. Here. But baby, it's cold outside. But baby,

it's cold outside. It's been holding at you dropping, I'll hold your hands. They're just like, guys, beautiful. We probably shouldn't play this much copyrighted music. Had that out, Yeah, we're talking about it. Cultural, Yeah, commentary so critical. There's that famous Christmas song which is becoming less famous about the second. Okay, now do you guys version? Okay, So, hey, I'm gonna gotta come in a weird time. Were gonna play the song? You know that song? I just realized

she comes by his house. Yeah, man, this is a great look. So that's a great look. Keep keep going. Well, no, imagine that he showed up at her house. Yeah, that'd be weirder. Come in here, man, No, no, but yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying it's good that he's doing that. I'm saying I just never caught. I'm pointing out I never caught she had come by his house. That's right. I want to make a joke and I won't. Um Okay, Hayden, you're ready, Yeah, sure, So what are

you doing for musical accompaniment? You're just playing off a carry over? Yeah? Yeah, I really can't stay Okay, we'll go in five. I'm done for two days. Okay, we'll go in five. This whole time i've been We just need some that. Just five more min it's that thing in the clock. But it's almost come back to water soon. I'm hungry and i'm cold and baby, just five minutes more. But okay, we'll go five. There's gotta be more too it than that. Well, it's only three string together for

the commercial. It's that's all. That's a long. Oh you guys didn't write any more than that. They'll you've been doing maximizing efficiency. That was great. It out now, even though like because there's a weird time travel thing happening here. Yeah, it should be out now. If it's not, i'll cut this. Releases will be out now. You guys are filming the final parts tomorrow Thursday. Yep, you're filming the final parts on Thursday. Whatever is going to my it'll probably will

have it all around. It'll be at my Instagram at Steve in Ranella Time Live Treasury Music. Speaking of Christmas, uh, in a lot of places, it's cold at Christmas. And the guy Rode in um Point had an interesting thing to point out and I thought about this the r day uh in the wintertime, and how do not be a surface shitter in the winter? I was thinking about

this recently, but then where I dug down? I went up kicking down a hole through the snow and dug down when I was down into pine duff, which is totally fine in the winter, but not everybody has that luxury ground is frozen. How do you not be the surface shitter? Find a rock rocks frozen in m hmm, not all okay, check around, fight it off for a few hours, try to hold her off, but a real answer. Come on, What do you guys think about on the

ice though? When you're ice fishing? I see all the time where people try to they drill a hole, lay a deuce in there, but they can't get it. It just is in the hole. Then it just freezes in the surface of the hole because you gotta figure out how you're gonna get it over, down and over. That's a shitty fishing spot. It's kind of like you gotta sink the cake like you do when you're cutting up.

They're not easy to do. It kind of goes against the spirit of not polluting water sources too, even if even if you do get it, because you're not even talking about going by a lake. You're talking about like going in the lake. I'll point out I've never actually done that. I always go, always go out towards shore. I've had to not towards shore. On shore. When you're out on like Lake Winnebago or some way out there,

you guys go into the hole. Well, I drill a whole halfway through and just just get a little bit of water coming up so it'll freeze because you can like poke the bottom of your auger so they're still slush. Then it freezes over it's still you know, kind of sucks because when you get a lot of people out there, think about all the people pooping on the surface of the ice, and then you're drilling holes into someone's frozen

turn one's going to re tap your whole. I'm never going swimming in Lake Winnebago technique like pooping from the video, like pooping in the ziplock bag. And then if you're an ice shandy like and it's cold, it might freeze, but that's you knowing the problem that advice is. It's great advice, but people aren't going to do that why

not they're people don't. It's like the same way when you go to an area where like river, certain river stretches, monument stretches, you're not a lot You're supposed to bring your poop out and you go there and it's just bombed with poop, like a lot of people are going to do it. It's great advice, but you also it's like a little bit look at, like what are people really going to do? And I think that for most

ice fishermen. For you to suggest that most ice most ice fishermen bag it and haul it out is I feel it's great, but I think it's unrealistic. Well, they carry coolers out there. You can just have Well that's what I was going to say, you could you could bring one of those bucket shitters that they use on

river trips. You know, I didn't know, but I personally have a very close friend who just has one in his truck because he'd rather go that route then pull off the side of the road and run into the woods and deal with digging a hole and flipping a rock. He's like, yeah, I just got a bucket back here ship in his bag And the next time I'm stopped by to see a dumpster. There it goes, and so I hear what I feel that he has a control problem.

He is I think, like a lot of people, a person that certainly deficates more than once or twice a day, you know, especially, you know, it's just it's a thing. I think it's pretty normal these days in the United States. But I I'm shaking up by how genius Chester's idea I'd call vaulting one. Yeah, you got eighteen in ice. Yeah, but hear me out, you got eighteen inches ice. Hear me out listening. You're not giving me time because this this is gonna I'm gonna verge into microbiology here, and

perhaps a microbiologist can write us in. You got eighteen inches ice, you tap down fifteen inches and make a vault. Okay, get all that shavings out of there. Okay, defecate. I mean, you know, if you guys know that word defecate down in there, then pack the shavings back down on her. You vaulted, because I feel as though in that extreme scenario,

the microbes won't last. It's a death sentence. Maybe so, but we need to confirm with a bona fide what is that stuff carbonite carbonite or get a block carbonite. I still think a buckets a better option than Yeah,

but I hadn't thought of that. Just something about it seems so tidy, like like if you did what if you did a hole and then and then ice caked it, you kind of be thinking about under view looking up, and it's like later that night, laying in bed, you'd be thinking about what you did if you vaulted one, like I'm talking about with this half hole situation, laying in bed at night, you feel that that was a tidy little remedy. Okay, but let's say you do that.

Let's do that like no one's gonna find it. Let's say you do that March first, and the ice starts to rot the third week of March, but you know it's still fishable when you're out there. And I had to hear from microL No, but I'm saying that that stuff would slowly start becoming exposed. And there's three Ronella kids running around and they're like, no, they always somehow

end up in all. I think I think there is I think there is a better option with the bucket or something, But sometimes like you just gotta go and the last thing that you should do is go on top of the ice because then your you see on Lake Winnebago, you'll see tepee flying across the ice all the time because there's that many people out there. But I think I think it would be hard pressed to get somebody to do the zip block or the bucket.

But a lot of times when you're dealing with ethics questions, it comes out to it's like, um, I love them, but it's like what should you do? Yes, you should have a bucket with the banks. You can go down to sportsman's warehouse any sporting goods stole or and who even makes that bucket? Oh, you can find them any I mean it's a coon snap on toilet lid, on anything, fallon bucket with a little with a little snap on

toilet lid, a little bag. It's like a gray heavy duty garbage bag zip lock and it's got a magical powder in it. And look like, yeah, it's inconvenient, but it's worth being inconvenient. Like like, I don't think we should be making excuses because like, oh wow, you know it's hard to poop in a bucket like bucket, bring a bucket. I don't think we should be giving people an out. Flipping Jake's flipping Jake's flip Jake's it docks, slip on it pist. He says, we're catching his fish.

It's public water. It's for every one. Go ahead and call the game warden up. Flipping Jake's flipping jigs, flip jigs at ducks with large mouth They high and the bait fish swim by, lunkers and shadows suspended on logs. Fill the live oh with hogs. What kind of fish will barely fight while they are? The fish that will barely fight? What kind of fish are over hyped while they are? The fish that are over hyped, over hyped, barely fight? Must be waly, must be waal line must

be waly. Those wet sauce Brodie. When you go ice fishing, though right now, you probably don't bring a bucket. No, we go to the shore. We go to shore. Small enough lakes, well, big lakes, we go to shore. Yeah, but I mean if I it would like I'm carrying a bunch of other stuff, carrying a bucket and say ice fishroman have a bucket? Chester, I was ice fishing when you were a glint in your mama's eye. Let me tell you something never shed on the ice. That's

impressive ever, But you're thinking about shipping in it. I mean, Chester turned me out that idea. I don't like going on the ice, but there's been a couple of occasions when you just gotta go, So grab the auger right and going on top and do that. Yeah, Like, let's say you put it like this. Let's say someone came to Let's say a godlike figure came down and said, I'm gonna you better go. You better defecate on the

ice right now. In that situation, I think vaulting it is better than surface and definitely you'd be like, let me get this clear there in the ice. That's my favorite story in the Old Testaments. I'm just trying to encourage large scale, good outdoor pooping. You guys know, Okay, we've you know it's appropriate. Okay, it's weird. I was gonna make a joke. I shouldn't have made. Deuteronomy. Okay, we've covered this on the podcast. We're gonna recover it.

Deuteronomy three twelve to fourteen from the Good Book. This is not a joke. Deuteronomy twelve to fourteen in the Good Book. You shall also, in quoting from the Bible, you shall also have a place outside the camp, and go out there, and you shall have a spade among your tools, and it shall be when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it, and shall turn to cover

up your excrement. Since the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp to deliver you and to defeat your enemies before you there, for your camp must be holy, and he must not see anything indecent among you, or he will turn away from you. Final word, Huh, it gives me all kinds. No, it doesn't give me the chills. What's it give me? Then? Just come on.

I don't know if it's time for this, but it just seems to me that, like, man, that'd be a good thing for a dude to write in a book if he wanted to keep the masses clean and tidy with rules of all sorts of things. So not he, So you're saying one of the authors, one of the was like, you know, I'm just gonna throw in here because it drives me crazy. Well, yeah, and not only does it drive you crazy, but it kills a lot of people, makes a lot of people sick. In general,

these people are a bunch of you know, dirty whatever. Yeah, I don't know what are you saying? No, what I was adding to the notes. Okay, so Chester mentioned t P, and I was wondering, Well, so I think I've discovered a hot tip. A hot tip on not needing toilet paper which might help you know things is silium fiber, which is a soluble fiber that comes in meta musil.

But if you actually buy like a whole container of raw cilium fiber and you take much more than is necessary, your poop will come out kind of like halfway between jello and like a sausage casing, and you will probably not need TP. I wonder no side effects, no side effects at all. It's like a natural It's just like a natural soluble fiber, and it will it absorbs water so it comes out. Yeah, it really does case her up.

So for example, like I've given it to my dog, uh, like he has he is diarrhea for example, right, so he's like maybe no, no, no, just like he you know, let's say he had diarrhea, and so it might like be coming out real watery if I give him a lot of cilium fiber, and he like happens to have an accident inside the house, it comes out like a soft geled in case sausage and I can just pick the holding up in discard. That is that just like is that fiber? Yeah, it's it's it's it's like, I

don't know how to describe it. Okay, So chia seeds, if you've ever had chia seeds soaking in water, they become so your your poop will come out like that. So would you ever be so concerned, like, would you ever do that to make your backwoods clean up? I've totally done it. It's great. That's another thing that the masses are going to do. Like I'm not like I need a dozen ways. If I promise, it's like the guy checking out and says, going ice for sure, I promise.

Especially it is life changing. It is life changing, guys. I do order it on Amazon or get it from your health foods. Tell me the name of it, Sillium fiber ps P S y L I S. You just go, you pick up put in your pocket, no toilet paper. Is this like it I'm saying, But when you go, you just I put a bunch of table spoons or kind of like a half cup or more in a little zip lock bag, and it's kind of tasteless if you need to like chug water or a beverage with

it really quickly. If you wait for I don't know, a minute or two, the if that mix with the liquid will like jellify, so you want to get it down quickly or else it will be difficult to like consume consuming. Is this like a thing like do like through through hikers? Is it a thing? Not that I know? Yeah, I'm seriously, man, we should put like a medical disclaimer. Yeah.

Once time we were talking about one time I joked about how I joked about how Doug during was the one that transferred COVID deer through Buckman juice, and then we got a warning. We got like a COVID misinformation warning that it's just like some some like AI thing was like COVID deer. P Yeah, let put the warning up. I do want to say one thing that this whole conversation brought up to me though, that I never thought about too much before. Was there there's twelve thousand people

on the ice. I'm like Winnebago for open for sturgeon spearing. So that's like a serious thing, Like how much of an impact liked pH dukes per hour? Yeah, I mean what Like, let's say you take half for those you know it's multiple days. Let's say half of those people have to go not anywhere near that. Let's talk about like this. You put ten people on okay, ten people on the ice, ten people go ice fishing. So now you gotta figure they're not all doing a twelve hour jig, right,

some are gonna be doing a one hour jig. So I'm gonna be doing a twelve hour jig. So ten people, and then you've got an average out that they're all good for a five hour jig. Let's say, on average, how many of those people are going to drop a deuce that day? I think one? I think one. Because this conversations has me thinking about since I don't go on the ice, I'm like, have I spent my whole life holding it back on the ice, But I haven't to be like two thousand poops to day and like

Wuinnebago ppds, Yeah, two pvds. Yeah, but a lot of those guys are in shacks, right, they probably have little So remove remove the one of them that has a toilet. If you think about it, like those those shacks, they have holes in the floor that are you Typically a majority of the hole in your floor is a big cutout in the ice. You think they're you think they're sinking the cake on them. I bet summer sinking the cake in the hole. But it's like, I don't know

how how thick is. I bet it's hard to get it turns. Any fetish is to go down there with, it's hard to get it turned down the ice sometimes, Yeah, it depends if you got a floater or a sinker. You can adjust that with diet too, though, let's move on thin ice. Fishermen are very diet. This is my favorite new dynamic is Steve being really curious about like fetish stuff and Yanni being very uncomfortable because you know,

I'm bored. It might be like skunk smells her first. Anyways, moving on, a lot of friendly Christmas, A lot to unpack. It's something to think about. It's a lot to unpack. Their nose today. Just leave the cleanex in the middle of the table. I'll clean up. Wink wink, I got you. It's a lot to think about. Um. Great question from a listener, if you got a question right in. Um, that was quite inconclusive, but it sounds like everybody needs

to get some of them bags, come brody bags. I was gonna add the reason I got to thinking about it and I mentioned it to current is because I was out of the day deer hunting in very cold conditions in the snow, and I got to the point I was saying, man, I'm just it's gonna have to happen. I did the same thing you did. I went beneath the snow, didn't find pine stuff, but found ground that was not frozen insulated by the snow, and and it was pretty much like it could have been September. And

I was taking care of business. No big deal, that's great, good job. Thanks. Yeah. I'll share one little thing I know. This is this is like this is like if you're at a deer camp or like we're gonna you're somewhere for an extended period of time, dig a hole that is big enough for the whole week. Ye, your own private hole. Oh yeah, I encourage people to do that. I dug down through the snow. It was like tim blow at night. It was cold, but dug down through

the snow dug a hole for the week. I didn't have to worry about trying to dig holes, you know, in other places all throughout the week. It just y, I've done that and then put a cap rock on top of it. Yeah, well, I the the big plug I pulled out from my hole frozen like frozen. Then I just said that back on top when I left holding it was actually one of the most convenient things I've done in a while. Uh, we were hunting in eastern Montana. This is gonna wrap her up, go ahead.

I held it for a day. I went to stop at a campsite and uh and use one of the toilets there, and uh, there was a c w D check right there, so we got my girlfriend's dear tested. Well, I went used the bathroom. That's great. Yeah, that was pretty good. Cold weather, hot TiO ready to talk about I think we got that covered. Grab a bucket. Yeah, I'm trying to find a segue. I got a segue. There's a thing called a Latvian plug. It's the thing that I have in the Latvians. And he's Lavian as

our windows Chester and Lavian's. We'll find sometimes that when they're on the road traveling. Uh, they'll they'll form a plug and it'll take him a couple of days to get sorted out. It's called the Lavian plug named are you honest? Nice um? As as we we've explored honest Lavian. He was taught to speak Latvian, he went to Latvian school, he went to Lavian summer camp. The only thing he didn't do, let's go to Lavia until until he just went to Lavia and of all things, hunting in Latvia.

After I met you, honest, I to be honest with you, I wasn't If you'd have had me to list a bunch of list all the countries I could think of, I would have gotten way down the page. I don't think I would have thought to put Latvia down before we met. And not long after we met, I'm looking at a newspaper and I see about a bunch of Lavia and ice fishermen strained it out in the ocean because they were fishing in the bay, in the whole bay, the whole bays where the ice floated out into the ocean.

And I was like, oh, so this is a place. I wouldn't be surprised if we've increased the world's uh not knowledge, just uh yeah, awareness of Latvia by like a considerable percentage, just through this podcast. Because still half the people I think I talked to her if I said I went to Latvia, they're like, huh, where's that? Never you know, like seriously never heard of the country. But now that they know the Lavian eagle, Yeah, there's at least ten more people when you went to Lavia.

Did they know that you're the Lavian eagle? Or they just think you're the eagle Via? Oh I should know the answer to that. Probably golden eagles, I don't know. Maybe yeah, yeah, they're They're a circums polar species, aren't they Like Golden's The other day the day I saw my first stuffed golden eagle and I said, I love you supposed to have that? And he goes, trust me, listen, everybody brings it up. It's very old, and here's on

he'd heard all about it. So yeah, it's like you go to shoes, sushi joint, and sushi joint and you say, have you ever seen that movie Hero Dreams of Sushi? And they're like, dude, lady sixth types of eagles in Latvia? Thanks Chester. Ye. So yeah, the way that my contact my host there, Lynda, Um, she how did you find Linda? Come on? Now? Linda found me actually through Meteor watching Mediator on Netflix. And then I don't know if it was an episode that I might have been a guest

on or she saw my name in the credits. She's like, that's interesting. That name looks pretty Latvian, you know, and she came and then she continued to watch. It was like he's got to be and then she reached out and said what, um, just love the show and do you want to come on my podcast? She has a podcast, Yeah, the only hunting podcast in the Latvian language. Seriously, so that would up being But but you have family there

and stuff, yeah, like second cousin type family. Yeah, like this and enough that when I was there on my first trip to Latvia, I did not visit them. Probably here about it when I go back and do visit them.

But uh, yeah, I was actually advised not to because um, not just my family in particular, but generally families that mean generally people and they have um foreigners that our family come over, they really want to show him a good time, really want to give him a tour of Latvia and sounds like they will schedule your whole trip and you're not gonna have a lot of extra time. And I couldn't really have that, you know, because we're really working for most of the time I was there.

What what did you find Latvian hunting culture to be? M hmm, let me a hunting culture. Let me think of another. Let me think another way of asking it. Focus that question a little bit more. Um, is it is it fringe not well understood, you know, a few people off in the boonies or is it or is it like very well? Is it very woven into the culture? Um? I'd say it's probably similar percentage wise, is to to hear. I think those are approximately twenty hunters in Latvia and

there's about a million UM six hundred thousand inhabitants. UM thousand is to one point SIXD is the one point six million as X is to one UM. No. I could figure that ship off. I had like a pennant paper and a calculator. It's woven into the culture enough that they're uh, there's some anti hunting movement, yeah, a little bit, you know, Um there tell people where Levy is that's try to smart. That's a good place to start. It's on the Baltic Sea, which is yeah, point point

oh one two one Okay. So so if like, if your numbers are right, it has the participation rate, I think participation rate better than New Jersey and California for hunting participation. There you go, there you go. Um, as you expect, more so out in the country than in the city when you're in the city. We had to drive out of the city to find a hunting store. My baggage got delayed big time, like three or four days,

so I had I needed some clothes to hunting. So we went out to a hunting shop and uh, very well appointed hunting shop. Like when you go in there, you're like, oh, I can get kidded out, um and go do whatever I needed to go. Do you know hiking boots, rubber boots. I mean you know they had a full wall of hunting boots and all kinds of nice guns and fancy Yeah. Yeah, what's gun ownership? Like that? Tricky,

very very tricky. For one, you gotta wait a lot longer age wise to own one that you do here, Like I'm gonna not have the numbers exactly right, but it's approximately like eighteen years old only for smooth bore. Basically you can own a shotgun at that point. Rifle twenty one years of age. UM, so you can own one. Uh. I don't know if it's annual or maybe bi annual psychologic um testing by the police. Yes, interviews like go in, sit down to have an interview with a cop and

they're like, yeah, you're cool. You can still continue to own guns. Um. Yeah, lots lots more paperwork, just's a lot more waiting time processing. Um. There's another uh, federal agency. You have to go through his well to have your to have basically the license to own weapons. Um. But you didn't have to do any of that interview stuff. No. I Basically I had to have a sponsor that said that while while he's using a weapon in Latvia, he'll

be under my supervision. Um. And then I also had to prove that I had I own guns and that I used guns here in the States. So I came up with one of the forms that we all fill out it snays to get our guns transferred over one of those and then just a hunting license and that was enough. Do they do? They all your suppressors out there. I heard that that was a big thing in your most Yeah, like if here it seems like it's one and ten of us now have it where it was

you know, zero and ten five years ago. There's the other way around. I think the only reason you wouldn't have one there is if you really can't afford it. Do they have like an equally like rigorous process to getting a suppressor, like similar to the gun or is it just like if you have a gun you can get a suppressor. Oh no, I think you can. It's like the reverse, Like you're gonna go into seven eleven and by a suppressor, but it's gonna take you a lot of time to get to get a rifle. What all?

What all are they hunting there? Uh? What critters they hunting? I was when I kind of know the answer is surprised because there's like a there's like analogies here, like just like they're hunting stuffers like a there's similar stuff here, but they got they got They hunt like a moose, not our moose. But it's a moose, that's right. It's

a moose, much smaller, much less paddled moose. Like a lot of their antlers would just be like five times kind of sticking out in different directions on each side, like without a paddle whatsoever. Um, the red deer, you might think, all, it's a red stag, but I think it's actually a red deer. The mail as a stag emails behind and Latvia they actually called him bowls and cows for some reason. Yeah, what's the word for that? Bull? Lis'sen on mat mat is like saying mother, you know,

or female? Um, when you did the podcast, did you do it in Latvia? I did? Yeah? Was that hard? You know? It's interesting. Um. I got a lot of compliments when I was in Latvia because they would be amazed at number one, it took me forty four years to get over there for a visit, and then number two that I had kept out the language so abll so well. So I got a lot of compliments on

on how good my language was. But it's always funny to me because I did a podcast, did as best I could in the Latvian language, and then I called my dad and the first thing he says is, hey, I listened to the podcast you did with Linda. You really need to work on your labvia the reason why you keep up on your Latvian is because you talked

to your your dad in Latvian a lot. Right, Yeah, that was an interesting thing about me and Latvia is that here I speak to my mom, my dad used to be my grandmother every time you're on the phone with you all the time. Uh, my siblings, Uh, pretty limited. And then like Latvian deer camp for three days, I can I speak, you know, to all those guys in Latvia.

I can always tell what they're talking about when they're talking to laughing when I'm listening, because there are certain America's, like totally American words that just don't work, and so you'll catch the words and you kind of know what's you won't know what's going on, but you'll know what they're talking about. You know. It's interesting Latvia that's even happened. I would in my mind even more than it has here.

Like you could ask Joe and Tyler and Jason that we're over there with me, they would actually pick up like that one words too, because like I call a gym a v which is like what the people in nineteen fifty called that, because right, that's when my family left the country and that sort of old Latvian was what I grew up on. Well the you know, million

plus people on that yet it's kept changing the language. Right, So in Latvia they call it Jim fitness clips, no job, Like on the side it says fitness clips and you drive by, You're like, God, I wasn't mistake I back and going there and work out. You're like one of the chances they'd have that same word. Yeah, yeah, Like like computer is uh dot doors is what I grew up with, and there they say computers. You know, just

the way language changes. When I when I was in college, I had to take a class called the Structure of Modern English and uh this we read this thing from some linguists that was saying, had you gone, had you gone along the Mason Dixon Line at the end of the Civil War and somehow eliminated contact between the North and the South at the end of the Civil War along the Mason Dixon line, at this point you would

not be able to communicate. Mm hmm. It doesn't take long, just because the drift, the normal drift, and then and then the way you're constantly adding words of vocabulary because right right, like that's pre automobile, right, So you imagine all these areas where it would just be like you

wouldn't you know, you wouldn't know. So the fact that you guys sort of took a version of Latvia to the US and then mess with it for seventy years without a ton of fresh input that you that your that your habits and you know, with drift as new terminology emerged where Levy is, oh, yeah, we didn't get on that. It's it's we got stuck on the percentage

of hunters and Latvia. Ah, it's on the Baltic Sea, um, which is if you imagine Europe, it's sort of sits in the in the northern part of Europe on the Baltic Sea. You also have the southern tips of Norway and Sweden, and then you have the three Baltic countries on the east side of the Baltic Sea Estonia, Latvia in Lithuania, and then to the south of Rthuenia you'd have Poland, and then that goes down into Germany and the main mass of Europe, and then so directly to

our east as Russia. We share a border with Russia, and you guys mix it up with Russia. Yeah, I mean we've tried over the years. Uh yeah, so yeah, you could say we've mixed it up, has not been good. Is Finland above you or yeah? To the north, to the north, and you hunted crazy moose. Yeah, so they're in the moose, they're in the red deer are native, Yes, pigs are native. Pigs are native, red deer native is native um and then the road deer is also native.

What's the non natives over there? The raccoon dogs seth, Yeah, you got one of those, right, And they say the Russians brought him in, So I don't I don't know if it came from China last night. But it was interesting because I talked a lot about the raccoon dog prior to going because I thought it was interesting. It was like an animal that we don't have here. And sure enough, that's the only animal ended up shooting was

a raccoon dog. And the hunters there told me that was because the hunting goddess Diana had said it was going to be so nothing you're gonna do about it, no, And at first when they would bring up when they would bring up Diana, at first, I was like, oh, yeah, Diana, good luck to you to go hunting, you know. But then things would happen and they'd be like, oh, yeah, seeing Diana just said it wasn't meant to be today, you know, and we'd be like, okay, I guess we'll

want you know, red stack again tomorrow. And it just kept coming up, and finally I was like, man, you guys take this like Diana gal seriously and they're like, it doesn't happen without her blessing. I was like, okay, like very very serious about Diana, like being like, yeah, it's your day to kill the red stack, like very much part of their hunting culture. That is, like so I don't even talking about another crazy thing, the death wind. No,

that's lou Wetzel. When you answer seth question and talk about the wind through through Wind with Diana, Like how like do they don't go out knowing that day that like Diana is gonna bless him. No, but don't have don't just have like like sayings like good luck and you know, my Diana be with you, and but if things go to ship afterwards, now you know like well

now we know that she wasn't down. Yeah, like and it's so funny how you can manifest this stuff, right, because with this raccoon dog, I'm using a gun that's not mine because unfortunately they explain one of those a little bit. How big was the one you got? Um? I mean they literally on the size of her raccoon, just a lot fluffier. It's like a raccoon in a fox had a baby. Um. They're a past they're you know, non native, kind of eat everything out, you know people.

Really it's kind of like the pig if you're like, well, do you really want them gone? And they're like no, you know, we kind of like having a few raccoon dogs around trees. I don't think they do. I don't think they climb trees. They are a canine species, so they've got feet like a fox. Um. But we're actually sitting in the dark hunting pigs over bait in a

blind on the evening. That was the kind of evening you can hear it twig snap two yards away, I mean just still as could be, so you couldn't really talk because it was so quiet, you know, because the pig bait it's only like fifty yards away, and this is at night at night. With them, what they have out for hog bait. I think it was a mix of corn and apples. What was out there? Yeah, and uh, I haven't done much night I don't even know if

I've done any night hunt. No, that's not true. We did a little bit in text night Hunted with You in Florida, of night Hunted with You in Texas and in the Jungles night Hunted with and alright, but now particularly like this using thermals. That's another thing we should get into is how prevalent the thermal use it. I want to get to that too, because that's pretty interesting. But they yeah, lion, it's of a bit. Uh. So I'm using a rifle. It's not mine because my rifles

didn't get there in time. Unfortunately. It was like an eight month process and we did everything possible and we literally got the rifles. Wow, I still in Latvia, but after we were done hunting. So I'm using Linda's rifle. It's like a seven mag pretty big rifle for shooting a raccoon. You've got to suppress her on it. We're in the stand. I don't know, maybe not quite. Uh, just a small little chunk of private um. It was part of the hunting club that we have success to.

You know, I should know this this number for you if you want to get into that very quickly. I can try to sum it up. The way these hunting clubs work is bigger or smaller than Doug Durn's. I don't actually know where once private property might have started and when the one ended in the next one started. There was so much land that there's I don't think you can walk at all in a week of walking to go through all the properties, different parcels here and

there exactly. And one hunting club has it's up to them to make leases or deals or handshake agreements with all of the private properties within their zone that they're given by the federal government to operate their hunting club. The wow, yeah, So like your hunting club is Gallatin County, that's right, And then you gotta go like, okay, sweet, no,

I gotta go talk to everybody in Gallanton County. The state and federal land are pretty much automatically going to be part and you play like a small lease to to work on those everybody else. And what's interesting is you have to make it contiguous, so you can't have too many you can't I forget what the distance was, if it was fifty hundred fifty between two. But you couldn't just have like, well we got a giant four one down here, and then a mile up the road

we got another one. No, they've got to be continuous. So this one hunting club that I hunted with, and that's coming from the government. Yeah, I mean no, they have a They the hunters complained a lot about how the government makes rules completely unknowingly, you know, for no reason. It doesn't do anything for them, and the hunters, you know, are saying, we should be trying to we they try to inform them, help them make better rules, and you

know they're working on it's a work in progress. Ah. But yeah, this particular hunting club had four hundred separate agreements with separate landowners. Well what but we did it. We did a drive where I was walking for over an hour from one road to another. M so giant you know, track to land egg land mixed like northern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota where it gets a little bit more sprucy and birche and swampy. You could pluck yourself out of atvia and get dropped in those places or swap places,

and you want to know the difference. Very much cut up like fifty fift A lot of forestry, so a lot of like successional growth that you see around. Um, there's they're cutting a lot. Drunk guys drinking old fashions. M hmm. I didn't see too much of that Wisconsin and that we're not. Was just trying to figure out how how like Wisconsin just the landscape landscape UM as a drink at straps roasting on an open fine pack frame, strapped with heavy loads, mule deer bucks pushed down from

much higher and folks in blaze orange heavy clothes. Everybody knows a cold snap and some steady snow. We'll make them mule deer hunting. Prime broadcast guys with their eyes all aglow will dream of heavy tips. Tonight rushed the lines. La la la la la la la. He's coming in waves involved. He's la la la la la la la down. We now firstlide apparel falla la la la la la la la cut them down with blasting barrels. La la la la la la. Set the scene for me a

little bit too. So you're on the parcel, you're in a timbered section and they got an established bait or they just they just behind blind placed very established. This guy Cospars, who was my like Linda's kind of right hand man that hunted with me a lot for the

red stag. He had basically carved out, I don't know, a ten foot long log that was two ft in diameter and made a trough huh, and literally had it placed up on you know, post on either end, so it's like an elevated trough that he could put the bait into. Wow. Yeah, if that was necessary better than just having a pile, I don't know, but he had that and it was you they're using trail camps. Yeah, they used to pictures of hogs coming and he would

just drive by the field. So basically behind us was a field and this was kind of into the brush and into the wood and there was a little clearing around the bait and he would drive by the uh, the field at night, run the thermal um. They do thermals like we do day scouting. Like still driving moving at night, ten mile looking through a thermal on a field, No big deal. Everybody's doing it. Just like yeah, there's critters there, there's not critters there. You know this cruising along.

They'll use it in the daytime, like coming up on a place and you got like a block of forest ahead of you. I mean, I don't know how far thermal works into the woods, but we'd be looking across a small clearing that was maybe a hundred yards hundred fifty yards and then there'd be woods, and he glassed the trees and like, not nothing here, let's go right to Like, no, if there's creators, you know, in the

in the area. And I was kind like, come on, guys, and I'd already told him are a fog that grizzly bear story. And They're like, well, what if you had had thermals in that situation when that had been nice to know that bear was in the area. And I was like, good point, good point, um sitting bait, sitting bait, And yeah, no, it was already after dark. We climbed in after dark. I think we've been hunting until dark for stags or something. And uh yeah, so I'm nodding off,

super quiet. We're not talking. I'm nodding off every now and then we turn our thermal on, look through it, check the bait station, nothing there, turn it off. Then in the pitch black, complete darkness, I just hear Linda say Yann to Tuli Normandies took petermore. I was like, oh shit, it's on she said. She said, Yanni, you're gonna kill your first raccoon dog. Oh man, I wanted

to go out for candlelight dinner. Yeah, yeah, and us I turned on my thermal and there he is creeping around the bait pile, probably hunting the mice and whatever varmints and stuff that might have been, like he doesn't want the corn. Linda didn't think so so different from a raccoon in that way too, because just like it's a little canine. Yeah. So he just sits down on his haunches right next to the bait bay pile, you know,

and I'm getting its complete darkness. So I'm feeling around on a gun that I'm not familiar with, and uh, and that gun's got a thermal scope. Yeah, it's a Blazer. I don't know how much you've used the Blazer, but they got a safety. That's it's the world right now for how safe it is. But you really got to like press and work it up. It's like a tank safety, you know that you work with your thumb the safety. Yeah, I don't remember that, but I think I click it off.

I go to shoot. No often, right, I haven't clicked it off enough, so a little flustered. Finally get it off, you know, I'm getting like Linda's helping me, and finally we'd get the safety off and then I get a scope on it. But before scope is quite on it, I'm like god, and like totally totally miss him. It's back up what happened. I basically had the scope on him, and I'm putting my finger like into the trigger card, getting ready, you know, to get on it. And she's

got a light trigger set up on that sucker. And I touched off a glove on No, no glove cheez, Yeah, I know, So I miss him. Well lucky did she say that? Well? It was she had a bay Old suppressor on that thing. And uh, luckily Diana was on my side that night. And that little sucker looks at the hole that I just say next to him, and he goes back to just sitting there. So I chambered another one and yeah, and I didn't remember, and so I shot him on the the third time I pulled

the trigger second shot. Did you guys get any of this on footage? Like, did you guys have night vision? You know? The my scope had it and we ended up because we were doing so much fumbling around. We have roughly a second of the raccoon dog in the thermal, so we'll see and how much how many pounds do you we? Their metric over there? Yeah, so you shot a ten pound raccoon dog with a seven millimeter m meg. Yeah. Yeah, pretty pretty big hole luckily with the way he was

because they were planning on raccoon dogs. They were planning on big yeahs. Yeah, and you know, yeah the hogs, do you have a little bit more of a husky appearance to them there? I only saw I saw most of them at night in thermal. I didn't hunt really hunt them. But the one I saw when we were sitting waiting on a red stag to come into a meadow, m one rolled out and he just had a real, just tunned husky kind of build to him. Another time, I look at pictures of those things, real wire hair

like rushing for kind of yeah. Like if you go online and look up, don't type in like Siberian, but like go online and searchery looking at actual northern European wild hogs, they just got like more uniformity. Yeah, so you're not like, oh, there's a white one or a black one green. They all have that black gray. They just look more like a woods creature man, you know. Yeah,

and they like the hides over there. Interestingly, there was a lot of um pig hides that have been you know, done up and on the wall, draped over something, even though it's bristly. Yeah. Oh, speaking of that too, you were saying that it's real popular to put a beaver hide on your car seat both in winter and homer warm asy in the winter, cools you in the summer swear by it cooling on your buttocks. But people had

them in their house. People had them in their houses just on like a on a you know, wooden chair. There'd be a beaver hide laying there on the couch. There might be two or three next to each other to sit down on. Are they prime beaver furs or do you know what I mean? Do they have that they're real thick undercoat or are they you know, I'm not gonna be able to answer that. How are they getting the beaver hides? Was an item you'd buy for that purpose, or is it you know, someone that gives

you one. No. No, they hunt them. They're into hunting them, not trapping them. I would say, they're there of beavers over there are hunted and killed and then less than ten percent are trapped. You didn't go do that? No? Okay? Did you try to eat the raccoon dog? I offered it up, I mentioned it, and you know, it's like a one in Rome kind of thing, and uh, they all, you know, spat on the ground and we're like no, if we're you know, in leaner in leaner times, yes,

but we're not gonna eat the raccoons. Can you freeze it and bring it back in the yetty cooler for part of my plate? What are you gonna do with the raccoon dog hide? Uh? It is actually being tanned right now in Lithuania and my skull already got cleaned up. So it's it's in route I think from Latvia. So I got my little trophy. Why in Lithuania not Latvia? I was born in Lithuania, share a little blood. I just think that that's because that's where the nearest tannery is.

It's a slat. He's a small place. I mean we're talking like a state the size of Indiana. You can drive across the whole country in a day easily, and that's going east west. If you go the short route north south, you'd probably be done in five six hours. It's a small I mean, one point six million people was not that much. We have cities way way bigger than that um and more than half of them, like almost a million live in Riga, the capital city, So

when you get out to the countryside, it's pretty spars. Well, what was the tell us about another hunt you did there where something or not or whatever. Well, I gotta first tell you about how I didn't get something. So it was the second morning we're red deer hunting kind that ended up being what we were going to focus on, and I was hunting with this guy Costpars. He was the name K A. S. P A r. S. He was the sort of the hunt leader. He wasn't the

club's president, but he was the hunt leader. So on the day that we did the driven hunt, he organized everything. All your hunting happening at your Hosts Hunt club, Yes, which is spread aloverd No, No, actually she's she don't even know if she specifically belongs to a hunt club. She floats around. Um, she hunts a lot internationally. Like for them to go over to hunt in Sweden, it's like for us going to hunt in Wyoming. It's just not a big deal. Um. So I'm with Coss Bars.

The first evening, I think we we hear three or four stags roaring, which is an amazing sound. Like I did, I hadn't google search it before I went over. I actually have have you you've probably heard him. I heard it in real life, and play it. Here's Coss Bars, who's doing that? Isn't that? Isn't that? I'm sorry about that. That sounds like metal. That's more like a lion. Play that again, that's a great sound, Chess for it was

pretty close. It sounds like yeah, yeah, it's basically a bugle tube, but it it um three parts and yeah, it accordions in and out and they kind of worked at as they're making the sound. Yeah. No, I'm telling you, if you're just walking down a country road in Michigan and a red stag went off and you didn't know that that creature lived in your neighborhood, it would freak you out. I mean, and you heard some ripping off

in the woods. Yeah, all the time. So yeah, I got a lot of stories about the roar, but this particular one, well, getting get into my missed opportunity. We get it, we we we see on the first evening, but he's like not the right size. They were. They had a very selecting idea of selective hunting, all based on antlers, which is one of the things that was very similar to some of the hunting that goes on here in the States. Like one to five years old,

don't shoot because we don't know his potential yet. Uh, six to ten if he's big and has but he has like good tops, meaning like good crowns where there's like three or four or four or more points up top, don't shoot because we want him to get over ten to realize his full potential, and shoot him at twelve, thirteen or fourteen. But the one you're looking for, since since you're a guest, you can't shoot the big big dog. But the one that we perfect for you would be

six to ten years old. But he has a y on one side or both sides, and they think that that gene of that wise in there and they want all those wise called out. No amount of talking to heffel Finger is gonna talk him out of that. Probably, I don't know. We I did some chat with him, and I was like, because in one sense, they're very much like, we want to let nature do its thing and it's all natural. And I'm like, but hold on, this calling thing that you guys are injecting here is

not necessarily h you're doing her things. So you're talking about it. Both tell you you can get a stag if he's over six and has a y on one or both sides. And but this is kind of it's a rule for everybody, right. They really just didn't want to not in the actual law, No, not at all. This is a this is like they're the way they do it at this particular and they would have it be that you came all the way back to America with no stag rather than violate that law. Well, listen,

here's a deal. Now. I think I could roll in there and they would gladly have me shoot whatever. But for cost parts. To get it approved, he had to go to the board of the club, eight members. Four of them said no, we're gonna basically come in and pay the dudes like we've often done other places like where that sort of is the set up, but we want to only go there and hunt for a week.

That deal for this this the yeah, that's right. Yeah, we had to help pitch in with your pitch in what it costs to be like an annual member even though you're only gonna be there five days, and trying to make it as though you're not just being getting a special treatment, right for half of the group was like, Nope, don't need any strangers, don't need any guests, don't care who this guy is, don't need him. But like, but

he's a laughing eagle, he's got a power ring. Oh so they board there's a board of eight and four our No, yeah, so that just awkward for you to be there. Then, well, no, they didn't tell me this beforehand. They didn't tell me, right, So I just went in there as a guest. It was all good. Later I found out and in the evening of the driven hunt, when there was a fair amount of alcohol consumed, the four guys that talked my ear off and we're attached to my hip like we're like had a belt between

the two of us. Were the four nos. Yeah, and so I think by the end of the Driven Hunt, because m we we gotta, we gott we're gonna get way too far ahead of Yes, big time. You know what they're after. No, they want to come hunt with you here. You know, I offered it up and it wasn't They weren't jumping on the on the invite. After. I think they just realized that I was just okay, dude, and and everything. So they're they're like being protective and they're like, oh, he's not that bad. I think they

had bad experiences with you know, just guests. You know, some guy comes in with a bunch of money and it's just like, well, I just want to hunt, and you know they don't. They take safety very seriously there, and so you know, you don't have a record on how you are with the you know, how you operate. You want him over by not being an idiot. Yeah, the second morning of my red Deer hunt, we get into a bull right pretty much at daylight. Coustpars is

calling him we sneaking in? What's getting into a bull? Mean he's ripping off in the world. Yeah, Cosparus kind of had had been scouting he knew some certain zones where bulls had been hanging out, you know and roaring, right, and so he's like, we're gonna go check this spot. We kind of we creep in there. There's one roaring. We get closer, You get closer, can't see him. Cost Part starts calling. He kind of walks out of the you know, timber, and pops out. Cost Parts gets a

good look at him. He's like, no, that's one of those. It's like nine or ten. But he's got the great big tops and we need to let him go for another three or four years or whatever. Was it similar to Montana elk like during the rut? Yeah, some of them had harems. Um. I think talking to more people later, I think it's you know, and like it is with a bull elk with with a harem, it's hard to call him away. You're definitely calling him just to kind of keep him talking and try to get in close

to him. Was there an equivalent to like cow calling or was it all roaring but you're hunting with a rifle, so it's not like, yeah, you didn't have to get too close. But surprisingly, and again, I mean all my European honey experience up to this point is Steve's stories from when he's been over there, you know, and and how people like basically like it's so easy, you know,

and it ain't real hotting over there in Europe. I'm not saying you say that that is a common that is a common yeah, you know, you know, come on, No, I'm just saying that I didn't have any experience. You know, I've heard what what you what your experiences, and uh, yeah, I don't think that you felt like you had to like work your tail off when when you was in Ireland. I went to Scotland and hunted the red deer and no, yeah, we walked, and he knew I like to take big walks,

so we walked a weird route. Just take a big walk to get back to them. That sounds about right. I bet you could get over everyone that way and over that way, So let's do that. He's a good guy where we just drive up and get him. So we decided to check like a second spot that morning and to set the stage in where my head's at. It's early in generally in my trip to Latvia, I've been in the country for four days now, two days

in the country. Two days only in these woods, not even a full day really is like an evening hout. And this is the next morning. So I'm new to the landscape, new to the habitat, new to the animals, and so far, it's like Diana is just like marching them in front of me, you know, and cost Press is like, no, not quite the right one, you know. I'm like, this isn't gonna be too hard, right, So we come up on this clear cut, it's maybe like

two or three years old. We're staying there. Cost Press calls nothing answers, were there for a while, long enough to where we almost start chit chatting and now looking the clear cut and all of a sudden, there's just a bull feeding stag. I'm like, oh, look there he is. Cost Parts glasses him. He's like, dude, that's the one, like eight or nine years old, Like nice crown on

one side. Why on the other, Like, let's shoot him. Well, the day before we're talking shot placement and he's like, if you can, try not to shoot him right in the shoulder, which they which is they had a cool name for the they call it to shovel. Yeah, And he's like, don't shoot him in the shovel because we'll lose a lot of meat and there's a good chance that we'll be selling some a lot of this animal,

which I'll tell you why later. So if you can just try to shoot him behind the shoulder, this bull is just stand there hunter fifty yard or so, but feeding but quartering too hard. If I was hunting bull out here in public, Montana, I would just shot him in five seconds. It's just been like get on him

and touch off and done. Deal some I'm waiting and I'm waiting, and he's just feeding like not a care in the world wins good waiting waiting five minutes goes by at least, and he's just kind of feeding but not giving me broadside shot, you know, long enough to where I lose my focus and I'm on these like shooting sticks with it supports the front and the back,

but it's one pivot point underneath. And I look over my shoulder to say something to cost Bars, like, oh, isn't that like just how it would be that this animal is like right here wor us, but it's not going to offer up a broadshot shop And the time it takes me to say that, how you say that by test now col Chavvy and peel Nsan is something like that, and gonna be a little bit more time, not long, You're gonna get to learn another Laptian word. Right now. I look back and the bull is gone,

the stag is gone, seriously gone, disappeared. And I hear behind me yawn to North Chuck it a and I'm like, I've never heard this word in my life, North Chuckada, and I look over and cuss Bars, who have also known for roughly twenty four hours at this point, pretty jovial guy, like we would all very much get along with them. Hell of a fisherman catches pike and wallet like they're going out of style. He's the blood has

dropped out of his face. He's like the pale and he's as deadpan serious as I've seen this guy that I've known him for a day. And he's like to nout Chuck today, and I'm like what, I'm like, no, No, I'm like he's gonna still be there, like we've just been watching for ten minutes or more, you know. And so I'm like looking around and customers has like left the building. He's not laughing, he's just standing there like kind of drooped over, just like dude, and basically Nor Chuck,

and ay, is you fucked up? Like you funked up as in like you had the opportunity right there and you just let it just slip right out of your hands like a like a muff to the nth degree, like you just muffed it bad. Like there it was. He gave you this because he was watching binoculars. So as I turned to say something, the bull turns. We didn't know there was a cow there or behind, and he pushed behind and they both went in behind this

little cops of trees, never to be seen again. And uh so we hunting there for like I'm trying to like stay in the game, and so we stay there for another ten fifteen minutes. They're just they're gone. They're gone. He can't find them on the thermal. They just they disappeared, North Chuckada. And what's interesting there is other versions of that. There's like it which would be like something like you could even tell your kids, like which just means like

you kind of like messed it up. But North Chuck, it is like, yeah, you just really really funked up, and uh we even we hunted that same spot that night because it was like the type of bowl that was perfect for me to kill. So we hand that spot that night. I think we were even there the

next morning. We built customarus is just like he goes and to get more advantage, he goes and grabs a chainsaw and in like an hour has basically built us a tree stand out of um I was probably like a lodgepole pine or whatever it is, similar to that grows in Latvia. And uh so we sat up in this you know, homemade dear stand for at least two hunts and that bowl never never appeared again. And we hunted for three more days and never got another opportunity.

And what was interesting, Yeah, we saw a couple of others, but it got a lot harder. Like we'd hear them roaring or whatever, but they just wouldn't come out of the woods. They wouldn't come into the fields. You know. They'd like we'd be watching one field and you'd hear the bull kind of working out towards a different field, and they don't like it's just not part of their hunting tactics to like creep in there into the woods

after him. You know, it is but he felt like with you know us two and two photographers, it was gonna be tough. He used the chainsaw. Well, we left the woods and did that in different location and then carried it into the spot. Yeah, we carried like a homemade wooden tree stand. Um, I don't know, like a half a mile it was. It was not easy. Got a little working in the afternoon. Um, so doesn't let it go. The guys really loved Tyler and Joe and

Jason that were with me. They really love this new word that they've learned North Chuckoday and every everything like there was no more nimming, which stands for not a movie, which is what the guys like to say when they get a shot. When they take a shot, but it's not going to be used in an episode, it's called a nim not in movie. But nim got thrown out.

It was like, don't know Chuckoday or you know Chuck Aday that all week and cost parts would correct them and be like that was like a little baby nor Chuckoday. But honest did the other day Big North Chucky like just grilling me. I'm like, bro, you don't know me. We've only been hanging out for like hours and you're just like just hammering me alright, but it's the great

segue to the driven hunt. So at the end of four days of red sack hunting on the just burning up your trip on this, Yeah, that was kind of the plan. Anyways, we we did, like I had a pig come out in front of me, but we're waiting on a red dag and Cospos is like, you want to shoot the pig and he uhould pig. I'm like, yeah,

I don't know, should I shoot the pig? Like we're here red stag hunting and I'm like, yeah, I think I should shoot the pig, and like I put the gun up, and right as I'm putting the gun up, that little pig stops. You can see his nose twitch one way and the other, and he turns ninety and runs off and is like he's like it wasn't Diana says no on the pig. I'm like, dang it, no pigs. Um. So the driven hunting day, we meet at the clubhouse,

like forty people roughly big group. Does this look like you had a picture It looks like beer Stein's and no, no, no, no, okay. So so they do like alcohol there. Uh, just as much as they like it in Wisconsin. But you do not mix alcohol. You do not mix alcohol at all. Yeah, they're drinking wine like you can't have as a gun owner. If you if we had a designated driver that was completely sober and you and I had some drinks, but we had a d D that was driving into the house,

I'm talking about beer steins and stuff. Ye, so yeah we got back onto alcohol. Okay, go ahead. Yeah if if basically you if the person was pulled over for speeding even though they were sober as a ghost, but you and I had a couple of beers in us and our rifles were in the car with us, that'd be the end of your rifle privileges. Privileges done like like you can you can't be in presence of your gun.

You can't be like an easy possession. So they have a huge locked vault in this for anybody that's gonna do some serious drinking and then hang out and possibly sleep in the bonk house or whatever. There's a gun safe vault that everybody puts their guns in there if you're gonna do any kind of drinking at all, and it's locked and don't know where the keys are. So if the cops roll in, you're like, yeah, my guns in there. I don't know where the keys are. I

cannot get to it. Otherwise, you better take your gun home and then come back and put it in the safe at home and have it locked up there. Can't be drunk around your gun. No, it is serious. That sounds pretty respectable. So forty people get together. The President gives a kind of an overall speech, a rah rah rah. We've got, um, you know, a great club together. We're all great people. Let's be great hunters. Let's do this

as as respectfully as we can. They acknowledge you being there if you hadn't paid your dudes, pay your dues. I don't think he did. I think cops barters then did. When he he got he basically was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy that's been sucking up all week. Um, I want to say about that. I think had that happened the third morning and having some highs and lows and some experiences with the animals and the landscapes, I wouldn't have had I would have had that laser focus of

someone that's ready to kill in frederator mode. But that first morning I was just like, this is great. You know yet yeah yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't ready. Um so yeah, customer said, hey, we got a film crew here. You know, he explained the whole thing, what's gonna be happening. If anybody doesn't want to get filmed, you know, let us know, etcetera, etcetera, and um, he basically rolls out what's gonna happen. So everybody lines up in a row. That's gonna be hunting. There's a group of the drivers

some place in Europe. They call him beaters, but what do you guys call him? Seth chasers and watchers. Chasers are the ones who are chasing the animals. Sounds like D and D or something. Drivers and posters, drivers and standards, push pushers. Yeah, and Latvian it's a Zena's would be a single driver. I think the closest translation would be a driver someone driving. Well, they don't say sitter. I mean that would just be something like a cosa sage to get a med. Next it would be a hunter.

You're just a hunter. So the differentiation is like hunters and pushers exactly. So the pushers aren't armed. Nope, no, not armed. They already know who they're gonna be. It's as much smaller group than I thought it was gonna because you think they know who they're going to be. Well, here's a deal. You don't. You don't get to be a hunter until after you've done three years of pushing no matter your age don't matter. And now this this is a club rule. This isn't a federal rule. This

is a club rule. So if you want to like and what's interesting is like the if it was the day before and you're just going on a spot and stock hunt, you can take your gun and go and do your hunt. But when it's like the driven hunt, there you gotta beat the bush for three years and then you get to be home and they're holding you

to this. They weren't going to I held myself to it thinking that I'd get opportunities because we're gonna do it at least a couple of drives, and then maybe at the end I'd be like, all right, are they as part of that safety because of safety like picking your shot or is it just like making the new guy put his time in? I think both. So the drivers aren't carrying. No, really the drivers do you have

a lot of dogs? They love their dogs. Some of the hunters even had dogs and they'd be like they would just walk up to me and be like, here take these three, and you have three and then I would, you know, walk him or drive to wherever what we old we were starting on and then walk him into the woods with me ten yards cut them loose. Yeah. What kind of dogs did they have? Uh? There was a bunch of Siberian like us was one and it

looks like a small There were different colors. Some of them were wider gray and some of them were black. But they look like the same kind of shape and fur. I'd say, just like a husky. Yeah, like a Norwegian l count. Have you ever seen in We had a Norwegian alcount. It was like a small, pretty burly husky. Yeah. Yeah. I met another guy that uses that those dogs for moose, that they bay moose up with dogs and then they

sneak in and shoot the moose. Um. So everybody gets in a row and they guy with a hat comes by and there's tiles in there with the numbers one through thirty or whatever it was on there. Everybody picks the number out of there. Then they would reorganize one through thirty and then the first six would go with so and so, the next six would go so and so.

And that was way to break up the group. And so it's not to play favorites with spots, right, So that way the guy that's like always good the shooting spot where nothing runs by me, you'd be like, dude, we mix it up by numbers that you know, is there not a leader that took you to one Mega

drive or a bunch of little drives? We ended up doing three mega drives And and is it like are they standing in like tower blinds or is there like specific spots they gotta be or driven the same country over and over, you know for years and years and years. So there's definitely like just like you would back home if you've driven the same like we's Russ in Michigan. You know Doe Hills where you need to stand because the dolls are gonna come un across Doe Hill, you know. Um,

but very strict rules when the dude places you. So Cosbro has had like five sub generals or sergeants that would take the smaller like take five each and go down one line, and then that guy would set five people in a row, and then the other guy would set five people over here whatever. And when they set you there, they're like, you can take two steps in any direction and that's it. You stay in that circle until the drive is over and you're picked up by me.

That's it. And it actually it made sense because I literally was three steps out and I had to turn back on a stag. So I'm sitting as a hunter as a shooter. You I can hear the dog coming pretty excited, and then I can hear the hoofbeats in the woods and they're they've actually crossed like a little meadow and they're on this wooded ridge and the ridge is pointing right towards me, so that I know that, I'm feeling like the stag or this animals gonna run

off this point. You judge, you still can't shoot them. Yeah, well, Linda standing next to me and she's gonna help me. Wait, I thought you weren't. So this was the third drive. So I worked as a as a beater for two, as a driver for two, and then I was gonna do be another and they're like, please, please please. I was like, dude, I'm I'm a born driver, like I'm all good, like I like walking the woods. Diana says, it so that right, but they were basically like no, no, no,

like you've proven your worth. What I did too on this I can't remember. I think of the second drive. I showed up and there's a couple of moose down, and I offered to gut one of the moose and rolled up my sleeves, gutted it and pulled it out. And that gave me huge props that like I just jumped in and got the work done, you know, and didn't the hunter didn't have to do it. And so they were like, no, no, no no, you hunt, you hunt.

They could have told me a little bit earlier that, like go ahead and shoot any stag that runs out. Later they're like, yeah, you should have shot, because I

actually had to run by me. But you like, but for days, yeah, I know, did you did you ever point out that like that seemed to be at odds with the whole Diana says, it's so like because because he's telling you not to shoot, and Diana is putting the deer in front of you, are stags one that stab it's coming down them the rich, the wooded rich pops out into the meadow, but off to my right, I've got a little roll, and so he runs below

the role. If we were hunting again here and that happened to you, you just I would I had to run ten or fifteen yards and I wouldn't be able to peek over the horizon. And turns out another shooter does down from me. Could see him standing there, but he couldn't shoot at it because it was, you know, like been too close to me basically his bullet. But I could have run over there and easily killed it.

And so I had taken three steps, and Linda was like, I was like all right, Like even when it comes down to getting something, they don't want you to move totally because basically, as soon as you move out of your spot, the dudes on either side of you are like expecting you to be in a spot. And so if something comes out for them and they go to swing and you're not in your spot, your dumb Americans safety very very serious about the safe. Well, the age

class here is frightful. If it's brown, it's down and rife. I'm sick of just spikes. Sin does let him grow at him, Grow at him. Grow. It doesn't show signs of stopping, and the bus seems safe from dropping to six points. Sambo let him grow, at him, grow at him, grow It comes grizzly claws. Here comes grizzly claws tracking me through the range. If he comes around, will squeeze a full round and hope he won't be back again.

He's all running, won't stop coming, Let off all hunting shot empty, cly Ben, say your PRIs because grizzy claws ain't going to stop. Nope. So we ended up getting a think three moves and two red deer hinds that day. No hogs that yeah, no hogs were seen. The drives are I don't want to say a free for all, but it's like whatever comes through is fair. Yeah. They did say with the road deer they prefer not to shoot them on the drive because they're so small and

they're moving pretty quickly. There's a good chance when you shoot them, you don't know where you're gonna hit them. It's just not a big enough target and you're gonna lose a lot of meat um that evening. So they decided on how much meat they were gonna keep and split amongst the group. I forget how many animals it was two or three like they might have done like the two young moose and then maybe one of the hinds.

All of it butchered on site. Like they had a separate building from the clubhouse, which is which was called the venatava, which basically, like the literal translation would be the gutting house. Like Tovey did not means they is wind and come back to that, but today did not means to like open something up to let you know, air flow through it. And uh so everybody just chips in and the next thing you know, you've got three

giant animals. They had these like plastic line shelves I don't know, pretty long ten twelve feet long, and three or four of them on one wall and then they were plastic lines you could clean them, and there was third or whatever. How many people were there? Thirty nine forty piles of meat, shanks, ribs, backstraps, just piles for ever for everybody. Piles. So again not how big is each pile. Like if you had one of those like four inch meat lugs you know that we like to use,

it probably fill up two thirds of it. You know, like multiple meals. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, like nice nice, nice amount of meat. And now we just did one driven hunt. They'll do that every Saturday and maybe a Saturday and a Sunday until they're done sick of hunting. Got it? Um, So that was just the day's take, you know, and like they're like, okay, we'll just take as much as we all need for the day and then they're gonna sell it for what They'll just sell the rest and they use the uh, they

use the funds for the club. And who do they go and sell it to the local butcher meat shop butchered already? No no, no, no, no no no, So they butchered themselves and then they probably brought two whole animals to the processors. So whatever they cut they keep, yeah, and then sell on sell it basically on the hoof, gutted butt on the hoof. What's the market like? Are they like getting a pretty penny? You know? I never

I meant to. We were gonna try to make it to a market where they sold a while a game, but we didn't. So is there is there a deal that's highly regarded? Is there the deal with selling it though? Is it like, of course we're gonna sell something, or is it that everyone's like, oh, I don't really want that. I guess we'll sell some. With that many animals down, it's of course we're gonna sell something. Yeah. So they're not trying to fill giant chess freezers and stuff. No,

And they actually don't do too much freezing there. It's uh, they do a lot of preserving of their meat. Like everybody was busting out cans like actual um pop top cans. You know. They have their own steel canners, so they're making like potted meat homemade steel can totally. And they would mix a lot of like they would do like bore so that it would have the fat of the of the pig, you know, in with their stagging moose meat.

A lot of sausages get made up, you know, but I don't think have enough freezer's common practice like it is here mhm. But so it's not to play favorites with the meat and the stacks of meat, because you could just eyeball it right and be like, I see a huge chunk of backstrap over there, that's all ribbed me. You know, I had this little stick. I would walk around and I'd point at a pile of meat, and then a dude that wasn't looking at me was just

going down the list of names. Be like Stephen Ronella, you'd come up with your meat lug. You come up to the pile that I was pointing to stick at and swipe it off the off the shelf and put it and walk out. I'd go to another pile pointing stick. Brodie Anderson, you'd come over there, get your pile. So would the heart get cut in half? Or is the heart just the heart? Glad? Yes, this is one of

those interesting like some of the similarities. You know that there's a lot of things that the hunters there, you know, considered important to them and not important, and it might have been completely different than for us. And there's a lot of things that were just like the same old pervasive wives tales just go on one being like organ, meat, heart, and liver like actually we ate some liver that night, uh and it was it was good. But like the heart.

I see one guy he walks up to get his meat and he's got three hearts in his tup already. I'm like, how did you get all of those? He's like, nobody else wanted him. I'm like, you're telling me, out of forty people here, you're the only guy that wanted the hearts. And he's like, yeah, I don't tell anybody about how good they are. I'm like, yeah, wow about tongues. You know, I didn't catch where the tongues went, but

they did come out of the end. Yeah. One guy though, this old guy comes up and he comes up to his pile and he's like, ah, nothing but bones, nothing but bones, you know. He's yelling at me, and I'm like, no, these are shanks, Like you can do some awesome stuff with these things. And they're already like they had a band saw in the shop, so they're already like pre beautiful asabuco chunks. And I'm like no, no, I'm like, I'll email your recipe. Like that's good stuff right there.

You just gotta know what to do with it. Um. Another thing was while I was spot and stock hunting the red deer earlier in the week, another hunter got one, so we went to go see it, go help him pull out of the woods. Loaded up in the trailer. Old guy and uh, I was asking about what he's gonna do with it, how he's gonna preserve it or whatever. And he's like, oh, can't eat these stags in the rut.

I'm like really kind of look around the group, you know, and every single like vocal at mean, dude, he's like, oh no, no, no, yeah, this like the meat is just just rut stink. Just can't eat them. Oh yeah exactly. He's like, no, this thing is gonna go for others. But it's just funny. I mean, how many times have you It's no different than people here that are like,

oh yeah, stinky ruck buck. Like there are day someone's telling my kids the reason white tails are better than mulders because you know what they've been eating, right, So what what did they like? Um? For people that aren't familiar, like red deer lot very Millard Elk, but like what

like a bull compared to a stag? Like size wise, the stags are definitely a little bit smaller, not by much, I don't know, maybe smaller if I mean if one ran across the road in front of you, and if if it was just like a regular old six seven year old stag, you just think it was a bull, Elk'd be like a couple of extra points. But yeah, be hard to tell. They got a brown maine. You know, they might be a little bit reddish, more hued. But um, but I still got that yellow rump and stuff don't

very elk like. UM. Tell about the death wind, the death wind, Yeah, it's out of ash Uh, that's what that's called. Wasn't there isn't there a guy blue wessel is the death wind. It's not the death wind. I'm mixing it up. It's called the something. So this has nothing it's this has nothing to do with hunters. The hunters believe in it it too, but it's just a general

Latvian superstition. This is the first thing he told me called a through wind through wind, and it basically means it's like a breeze, right, But a through wind doesn't necessarily have to be like a breeze outside, Like if you have a if you have two windows open in a house and you have that breeze that's created, that could be the through wind or a window on the door, or let's just say you're even just in your yard outside and two gates were opened and a breeze was

blowing through through the gates. Dude, And I'm recently talking

to more about this. Like when I was a Latinan deer camp this year in Wisconsin, I was talking about this story, and they're like, like literally trained doctors trained in the United States States of America that practice in Latvia will tell sometimes they're patients that the cause of whatever said illness might be high likely koth hood through wind, like especially around little kids around here, a lot of grannies and and and you know, over protective moms, like

you want to make sure they always got shoes on. You don't is wet because you're gonna get a cold. But like there it's the through wind. To the point where I walked into um, someone's house once while I was there on this trip, and there's like the mother in law, mom and toddler maybe three years of age or so, and I'm I'm like the last one coming through the door, hand on the door and I'm closing it behind me. I mean, it was gonna take another second.

And the mother in law was like, please please please close the door. You don't want the through wind. We've got a kid, We've got a toddler here in the room. I'm like, but I'm like literally closing the door already. But yeah, like it can cause serious like to the point where on the buses on the public transportation, you can only open one side of the windows on the bus. Okay, Let's I went to a learned individual, perhaps a meteorologist or someone like that. To I went to. Let's say

there was a meteorologist who then went to medical school. Okay, I said, uh, I said to him, tell me, explain to me like I'm ten, what what like? What is the through wind doing to everybody? What would they say? Is there no answer? It's afflicting you. It is causing your problems. Stay out of the through wind. You have a headache right now, Steve. It's not because you haven't drank water for four day. It's because truck. But do they line up like you know what you're talking about

the bus windows. Let's say there's a guy in the front of the bus and he's got the left window open and again in the back of the bus the right window. That's not a through wind. It doesn't work that way. It's gotta be more lined up. Yeah. If it's going like across anything, across the room, across the yard, across the through the house, it seems like it would affect how they would like build houses for instance, like it probably does, there'd only be one door and no windows.

I guess here's my question, just in to keep them tight. Let me reask my question. I'm rechange my question. Okay, it's not that the through wind is carrying something. It's that the through wind is the thing. Oh yeah, okay, that's what's causing. It's like the wind is of itself problematic. And I wasn't gonna sit down and argue. He argued his way from one of the sh I'll show you through wind? How is you? How is your general experience? Though?

That did people like welcome you? Like where people are stoked? Where people like would you be welcome back? Like with all the film in and oh yeah, yeah for sure. I mean we believe we tend to, you know, have there's no chance of all those people back there like he bought the through window. No, they're they're into it. Do they think? Did they? What is what is their opinion of a Latvian whose family split? Are you? Um uh? Are you guys like honorary Latvians or you like sort

of like the furthest thing from a Latvian because you split? No? They no they understand that, you know, are you know my grandparents did what they had to do in those in those times, you know, and and and had to leave, had to leave the country. I only, I only they hold any grudge. Huh. We're certainly you know different. But is it is it generally is it generally considered that that that if you left, you were pushed out? Oh yeah, yeah, So it's like it's like Cubans that came into Florida

post revolution. It's sort of like you just it's taken to be that you you left outside of you know, you know, you were forced out, pushed out, fleeing. They did think it was because I got there. Like well, I was saying earlier, I talked to Latvian mostly now in the last ten years, with you know, twenty or less people on a regular basis. Right when I was younger and I spent more time in the Latvian camp, it might be in the hundreds. But even then, if

I didn't know you, I knew somebody that knew it. Right, everybody's kind of friendly. But to be a place where just all of a sudden, everybody, all these strangers around you are speaking this language that you've always spoken with friends. It was interesting, it felt cool. I wanted to go up to everybody like, oh my god, this is awesome, and they're like, yeah, dude, everybody here, um A lot

of them speak English. Yeah, like my bags are lost, and the lady at the at the complaint counter or the lost you know, baggage counter usually deals with irate people, and I'm like, so awesome that we can have this conversation. You're like the first person that I'm talking to in Lavia. In Lavia and she's like, oh, bro, dude, take it

easy and like, no, you don't understand. So they thought that was a little funny that I was so excited about that, But it also gave me the opportunity to look at um, just to have like a like a more worldly, you know view, because you got too thinking like there's a lot of like I like to go

to Lavia because it was exotic to me. Is in't this place that everybody's speak Latvian, which I only had to go to like special school on Saturdays to speak Latvian, you know, or go to Latvian church or camp or whatever, and they're like, it's just Latvia. Bro. A lot of people leave here to go get make more money living in England or Ireland, or are trying to get to the States. Why you're saying people like broke as a joke there. Yeah, like a lot of people make thousand bucks.

I'm off there and live off that. Um My friends that you know, we're educated here and now live there. You know, they've figured out a way and and and do much better. They live, you know, not too dissimilar life from us. You know, got to fun restaurants and you know, have good time in the capital city, have little places out on the beach, you know, but it's not the average Latvians I'm living, you know. Do you want to go back. Yeah, we're going in June. I'm

bringing the whole the whole crew. Now his daughters are understand why he makes them speak Lavia. Yeah, we've been working harder at that since I got that. Probably lights fire under their ass on it or don't they get it? They lit a fire under my ass to get to do more of that. But yeah, to get there with them. Yeah, are they like, man, what's that again in Latvia? Because I'm going to Latvia? Or don't they kind of made

all that connection, you know, they are. You gotta catch them in the right mood when they're when they're interested to learn, you know, like with anything you know. And when you guys go back, you'll you'll see something, You'll see some those distant relatives. Yes, and you'll not go you'll not go revisit friends you made on this trip. No, I definitely will will. Oh yeah, No, I'm gonna hunt a road deer when I go back. When you go

back in June. You know, Lavia is that the same uh latitude as southern Alaska, and so you got you know, a twenty hour day in June. And they say one of the most beautiful things to do as far as hunting goes in Latvia is to go hunt the road deer in the middle of summer when you can literally hunt them almost all night long and uh you know it's still daylight, but you don't need to bring your

own guns and all that though. No, I'll just do what the same thing I did this time, and just get um, you know, get those get the email that says, as long as you're with so and so, you can use your wife, your daughters, you'll see family, you'll see the the cotspits, you know that via sits on the Baltic seat, and I didn't go see the Baltic seat. So that's definitely all my list of things to do and go beach combing for amber. Amber is one of the look about I'm talking about amber, like when when

pine pitch falls. Okay, no, that is one of the world's largest producers. Yeah, it's from them. It's the squid. It's uh sperm whale something they form around squid beaks. Yeh um. I want to tell you to wrap it all up my time. You how north chuck A day came full circle. We're on the last driven hunt and uh Tyler Emmett was filming cost pars because that's where all the action was, right, he was directing traffic all day long. He was also a hunter. Was interesting too

about the hunters. Once they become hunters, don't expect them to drive another foot of ground ever in their lives. Like at those forty people, like I said, I'm like, hold on, there's only six of us. Like, we've been doing a lot better if we could get a couple of recruits on this team. You know, I got a dog. You know, we're a lot of the drivers young. Yeah, there was a couple of dudes that were older that were kind of life first, so I didn't ask questions.

But you know, you just gotta wander, like you know, maybe they didn't have the right or the ability to own or use the fire him anymore because the past decisions. Maybe they just don't want to put the time and effort into going. You know, maybe screwed up on getting the paperwork. I don't know, but yes, there was definitely some you know, twelve year old with me, and which was cool. I actually have all those people. I think there was like four or five female participants and they

were a couple. I think there was only one that was actually haunting the rest of them what we're doing the driving with me because you know, it was cool to see that that over there where you might think that you know, yeah, because you were saying it's real hard to get youngsters involved in hunting there just simply because they gotta wait so long to do it. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that you do all that, you gotta do your three years.

I mean, I wouldn't mind the pushing, but it's really funny that they could wind up in a worse situation. They could wind up where they got thirty some hunters, they're down to two pushers. I don't know if it's the same with like Seth Brody and anyone that's done deer drives in the you know, as you were younger, I remember having to be in the thick of it. When I started. They were like, chat, you go out and walk in the thick of the cat tails, and it seemed like that's all I was doing, and I

just wanted to. We'd always switch off. Man, they push, she said, push, she said. I like pushing because a lot of times that's when you got shots, Like stuff would run back through the drive. A good push, smart buck, A good pusher gets some shooting for sure. Yeah, we used to have some rabbit drives. Dude, gotta be exciting, man, that we have this rabbit drive spot. It was this one stump. Whoever got that stub stump, whoever got that stump. It was like a stump that stood about six seven

ft off the ground on the hillside. If you got that stump, you were going to get shoot. You know. I felt good being on that stump. Tyler's Pilman cost Bus. Cost Bus hasn't shot anything. Yeah, and all of a sudden, Tyler's like, or Cosbers says, I can hear him, common Costper says yeah. Or Tyler's like, yeah, I got him, I can see him. He like actually points to this cow and calf moose coming. They like he gets him on camera. They pop right up in front, like fifty

yards in front of coust Bars pulls the rifle up. Nothing, no click, nothing, and then the two animals just disappear into the woods and cost Barus turns around and before he can never even say anything, Tyler says, and the bluff leffed his face again, and he just smiled and lads and like it's gonna make for some great television. He didn't want to separate the mom in the calf, no,

he uh. He had like an old Mauser style where the in the safe old Mileser style rifle and it's a very long throw those safeties, and he just hadn't thrown his safety all the way and so that he didn't fire his rifle. And oh yeah, it was great, it was great. We have we have had we had plenty of meat, so we didn't need to have another moose on the ground. I got one last one for you?

What would be the norm? Like, what would be the It's hard to answer this, but like what's the most normal thing you're gonna make with a moose and laugh you're or not? Or like what's un normal preparation someone's gonna make for you? Not not counting canned outside of can I'd say probably something like a pot roast. Yeah, very simple cooking over there just across the board. Across

the board. Yeah, I mean you can go. You know, they they have these you know, fancy market types, like a fancy market that we went to and it's like you walk in there, you might as well be in Bozeman, Montana. There's like a pizza place and uh um, you know uh hero place and you know, then there's a bar at the end. It's got all these different micro brewis's therapist. There's hanging from the ceiling, you know, some some Barton fabricae,

a should metal work with some wood floors. I mean, you know the world has become smaller, you know what I mean, because you just know what what the hip stuff is everywhere. So um, but the simple cooking. Give me a couple more examples of when you say simple cooking, because you make you make lating dishes. I don't think that's that simple, just like a lot of root vegetables simple. I mean those little bacon rolls that we that we cook is like it's like bacon and onion inside of

a you know a little bit of bread. You did a big hunter stew at the hunt, right, Yeah, we did a big hunter stew. Um might have had a lot of ingredients because it had like some sausage and some meat and onions, potatoes, and then they actually garnished it with olives and sour cream, which was it kind of sounds like him, but when you do it, it was good. Um. But again, when I say simple, there's there's no spice. You're not gonna ever eat anything there

you go, there's none of that. Yeah, you gotta go a long way to find a hallapanio in that country. Are there like repeated herbs like I don't know, parsley or dill, that par la, a lot of cold weather stuff? Are they like searing steaks on a grill? Yes, but you're not gonna get it medium rare? Yeah, it's still it's gonna be medium at minimum, and it might go a little farther. That's what I made for Thanksgiving. I think I maybe I don't know if I've ever made

it for you. I made a blito misto, the Italian mixed boil. Oh, you never made it for me, but I know you've made it in the past. Is so good, so I'll tell you. Um, I made garlic sausages, so fresh garlic sausages. I took a bunch of antalope shoulders and corned it. I had a beef tongue that I had smoked my uh kid's body raises chickens. I had one of his chickens. I realized it probably wasn't enough chicken, so I had I bought a chicken, and I had wild oh, shoulder of a wild hog. You got all

this in the one pot, But I did it. We're like, right when I woke up in the morning, I put my shanks game shanks, I put them in my oven degrees right when I woke up in the morning. And then my tongue was already done. Then I put my corn stuff in my slow cooker, and then I've made it. Then I made a super broth. In the end, I had a lot of stuff pre cooked. But in the end everything went into that super broth, but super broth like super foods, not like game stock. No. Yeah, but

I mean, like when is it super? Is it like more than three different animals? Super good? Three animals? Then you dump all that you don't and it's got all kinds of carrots, rou tobaga's turn ups, beats, taters, and you just and I bought these two huge platters of my wife hates. They got like little turkeys and stuff on them, and you just dump all that ship on the big platters and then you got toppings, so horseradish, a red saucea a green saucea moostarta like the fruit. Yeah. Yeah.

So when you dig in, man, when you say you dump it on there, is it like big heap and pile of steaming? Is it like a stew meat pictures of seafood boil, But it's just all this crazy boiled chicken and shoulder and corn meat and sausages and a pig cow's tongue and a big mound it made two matching mounds. Is this something that's like prescribed or is it like, oh, we're gonna throw this, and we're gonna

throw that, and we're gonna throw that. Well, if you go and read Bleat O Me still, you'll find all kinds of all kinds of lamol weight versions, and then you'll find heavy duty versions. Yeah. Like, my buddy had a restaurant turned me onto it. She used to offer it. You could, like you a big party could call his

restaurant and he would do that. You had to call ahead, and it had to be a certain number, like it had to be like a minimum of twelve on blank night, and he would prepare this for you and he would just line like a like Yanni's wild Hog feed trough. He'd like lay that trial off to be just boiled vegetables and boiled meat one end to the other, with all kinds of dipping sauces. It's way caveman. But it's beautiful that we need to do that next year, Brody,

because I think we had a lot of complaints. Even though I feel like I made the best turkey of my life, I wasn't. I didn't agree with the complaints on your turkey. But man, we'll talk about I'll tell you something that happened at my at the Ronella household. Please. Uh, my wife had her folks in talent, so she wasn't too keen on not she she wasn't down on the blietel me still, but she just knew there would be

breaking tradition. Be like, she just knew. So the second night, eating leftovers, she said, it really is better than the traditional Thanksgiving meal. She had you back, Yeah, we had a traditionally. No, I don't think she did it like that. I think she actually, I think she came to see that it's a better tradition. And I pointed out there everybody, the Pilgrims don't eat turkeys. They didn't need an antelope. Pam though either was My kids were bitching. I told

him this. I said, listen, here's one thing I can tell you about the Pilgrims. They made the best thing they could make. That's what I'm doing. Huh So very Christmas everyone. We got gifts though, Oh yeah, and the spirit of giving. Hayden's been very very generous. Put those in your store in there? Yeah, those are those are moreles from Montana. Uh, I guess kind of obviously cute. Yeah. Um, you know, I was driving with a hunter Spencer over here the other day and when we were talking a

little bit about you know, it worked. There are always like difficulties and stuff like that, you know, and and and a lot of times you get like frustrated or whatever. But you know, we're driving through this canyon, and uh I made the comment that, like, you know, I feel like meat eater gave me all this, and so I wanted to, uh bring a little present or there were just a bunch of Morrell's hanging out behind my desk and I needed to get rid of a bunch of

you very much. Yeah, maybe like a risotto with him, because it's a pretty small portion of Morrel. I'm gonna make you're you're sticking your nose in there though. Yeah, man, I'm gonna make smells like the planet. I'm gonna make two omlets out of these, one for Danielle and one for myself. There you go, man, bear your nose in there real woody mm hmm. Thank you, Merry Christmas Hayden, thank thank you, thank you. Put a little a little dry thing in there. Oh yeah, I got a huge

packet of him off Amazon. Sometimes if you don't do it, it gets kind of Yeah, they'll they'll get like you'll smell him and they'll be like they'll have like a funk too, like I'm not sure I want to Yeah, but if you do that, but they stay good kind of indefinitely, what's good idea? Well, Yanni, thanks for the Laby report man, wonderful. Thanks Phil, were you listening? Of course? How do you say Christmas? Now? And then Phil likes

an episode? I think he liked this episode. I forgot to ask he liked the Coronado Expert Top fifty at least yet he liked the Coronado Expert. What else it, Phil? Like? You like that one? Yeah? I liked your last year Buffer Zone ELK one. Yeah, that was basically like one seems like one you'd like because you like a guest. Well, just you kind of reflecting on the where do you like? Ephemeral? Seems to slip away as soon as you shoot that out.

That was really moving. Those capper kales are those you can't hunt him right now enough population, which brings up another thing, the tag allocations there. They couldn't believe that we would only get like one or maybe two Elk tags to hunt here in our state because they're the club gets say two hundred stag tags and then a hundred moves tags. So the one guy that only hunts one or two driven hunts, he's probably never gonna pull the trig. You're never gonna shoot. But if your guy

that gets after it, you can shoot pretty much. Because you shoot one, you call up your local dude, You're like, hey, I got one down, he drives over, puts a tag on it. You're on your married way the next day. We know that is how you do it. Yeah, the next day you're tag guy, meaning the guy with a pocket full of tags. Yeah, exactly. That's like the hunt leader, you know. And then the next day you're back at it hunting again if you want to. Is the hunt

leader ever? Like, hey, how about you cooling a little bit? I mean he he had killed a nice like his biggest ever bowl moose earlier in the year before I got there, and he was like, yeah, I'm not shooting any more trophy. And yeah, he's like, I'll shoot cows and and hines. But like, I'm you know, I got someone else needs to shoot the trophy. Don't want to wear his wolcome out. Yeah, he didn't do any lid tossing in the bucket. We did not wrong time of year.

What's merry Christmas in in Latvin. Zam a spat. Was she's really mouthful? Zma spat. It's a lot easier to say you sucked up. Yeah, Pats, that sounds like a phenomenal trip. Well, you guys are going I'll bring you another report in July. I'm glad you're going back. Yeah, it should be good. Thank you man. The International Latvian Song and Dance Festival is going on. It's every five years and it's going on this this upcoming it. Yeah,

we'll be there for part of it. People say it's weird because like that can't I used to hang out with in Michigan called Gods, where there's you know, two thousand Latvian some weekends all hanging out. When you go to the International Song and Dance Festival and you're in regal Atvia, you might as well be at this camp in Michigan because you're like, hey, it's Steve Man. It's broady, like you know everybody that's just walking down the streets

of because everybody goes to it. I've never been. Yeah, you participate, you know. I decided not to because I think you just take too much time, Like there's a lot of practice involved, Like you got to be there for days ahead of times you want to. If you want to participate in the thirty thousand person Choir, which check it out on YouTube. There's plenty of videos of it. But I gotta, I gotta tribute question for you. Okay, what was the loudest sound ever heard by man? My

brother walking behind me? Deer hunting good one, Heyden good one. Loudest sound ever heard by man? They think it was the eruption of crack. A loudest sound ever heard by man? Is that when my ears are ringing? Right now? Turn it off, Phil, Let's end on that A dreaming love. Some duk Limen like in the spots used to know wear blue whistle through spreads like missiles and masers came in with the snow m