Ep. 264: The Champ of Champs

showing it off. You were demonstrating, illustrating. I'm part of the club. Did it? Did he spin on you? Yes? Yes, yeah, and spun hard and fast enough to where the pain that I got was from my elbow small backing into the tub. Being there, done that and was in the tub into the tub. Well, these guys, they so they mark, they put a little Yeah, they mark natural nesting sites. But then they also get super sneaky and hide old cast iron tubs that they cut a nine. You calling, well,

I think it's illegal in some place. I'm not calling coul liar. I'm just telling me it's a better way of doing it, and that's the way that we do it. We build wooden boxes. It looks kind of like a colfin. Why a cast there tub inverted? It's heavy yep, so flipped yep. So the the bottoms on top pointing towards the sky, and what you gotta call a little entrance hole in there. They cut a nine by eleven hole. That's all it takes for him to get into. And

I said, why is nine by eleven? He's like, well, it's a standard sheet of paper, so everybody knows the measurement. And a big half, a big snapping turtle can't get in there. That's right. Okay, Now, how would cal have done it if he wasn't stupid? Well, from what from where I'm seeing the scar Yet he's just um crap out of luck because you actually got past his lip.

He swallowed you with what he did. Uh, you're screed. Course, the farthest you've ever gotten your arm down in one Uh not me, but one of my cohorts that was with us literally swallowed him up to his shoulder. He was ninety seven pound blue m And we we do it a little bit different than some. I say we is actually a gentleman by the name of Mike Willoughby who carries me who's been on some of the reality. He carries you in his boat. I'm not that old yet.

I can still get around. My god, i'd come through the door. But we have spodders on each side, so that really, if you do get into trouble, someone's always there. And it took this boy under, completely under, and two people were trying to hold his head up, and they're going to let go, let go, let go, And as his head would come up, he put his head up. He going I can't, I can't, right back down again.

That happened three times, and then when he finally got his arm out, he turned around and looked and says, blocked the hole. And you're seeing blood going down his arm. And we're talking to ninety seven pound blue. Blue is a mean sucker, is what he is. Cafish catfish. Yeah, mean catfish. You know what I mean. He's gonna get along. I can already see it. Uh, But they blocked the hole. He went back, um, got a little bit of breath and said, uh, okay, here I come, and we're going

we need to get you the doctor. He goes when he said, blocked the hold, and he means so the catfish can't drag him back into the hole, or dragging get himself back into the hole. No, so that the catfish couldn't get out. You take your feet and you stick in the hole to block the hole, uh, to keep the fish from coming out. Because see, now you've got him mad. Now he knows that something's trying to catch him, because he still was intent on catching it.

He did took him over to the boat that the old cotton scales waitium ninety seven pounds released him since not carving the doctor is it kind of just like I feel like grabbing It's just like exhibitionism, right, It's kind of like no one's doing it to get catfish. People just doing it to be like I grab the catfish. Look. It's like it's like it's like waite white look right here, Yeah, big old gut. Do you think I'm gonna be throwing a good what I call the caviar or the south

which is a flathead. I'm going to keep me a mess of fish, and I'll really and most of the time we keep the males and release the female, and the mail will go up in the hole. Oh yeah, the mail'll be up in there. Sometimes you'll have to you'll have a male in a female. So you guys just keep the males and you don't then you're not Uh, you still got all your spawners, right, because that is what they are doing. They are laying their eggs inside of these wooden boxes. But it's not like the most

productive way to get a fish. It depends on who you're going with, h and where they're at on a on a good day, if you've got twenty boxes out, seven or eight fish running newwhere from twenty to forty pounds is average, what's the best time of year for that? Uh? There is actually a season in the state of Mississippi, so the coincides with the spawn right correct about June June fourteenth. You need to be there if you're not scared. Not scared, Okay, I'm gonna talk to Calfari, gonna find

out find out what he did or didn't do. It is I opening, man, I thought it amazing. It's it's just kind of great. You by it's crazy, it's wild, I mean all the things. It's like, the water is very warm. You can't see in the water at all. I wore a mask, which I think did look around well, just mentally I think it helps to have your eyes open.

Oh but you can't see at all, you know. But yeah, so you you know, it's not like shocking cool refreshing water or my situation wasn't you know, You're just like wrapped in the warm towel. It's like primordial feel too, very claustrophobic. And then you get in there and you're feeling around into nothing and then all of a sudden something worm like bites you, you know, not in a friendly sort of testing you out sort of way. You know.

It's like not nibbling, No, it is like smash. Now when they're doing that, they're defending the nest, right, correct, that's what they're not. They're not trying to feed, No, what what it is. It's like uh, smaller fish, blue gel bram stuff like that will come into the nest and try to eat the eggs. So what they're doing is is they are protecting that nest. And when that

hand goes in and there's a proper way. And I can promise you this, The boys that I would carry you with are extremely good, and we'll coach you and tell you everything you do or don't want to do. How did a turkey collar. Get on catfishing well, because because the cow showing off his arm, now just demonstrate his arm. But here, here's here's the thing you haven't explained you don't like. It seems to me that the bathtub thing you be limited about how many tubs you

could round up. Well, if I might interject, in the old days, they would use old hot water heaters. They would use uh bass tubs, which all that stuff is now illegal. Oh, you're not supposed to, at least in the state of Mississippi useing you to lies out because they don't deteriorate. That's the reason why we use wood, because over a period of time the woods is gonna rock and deteriorate. Now there is another group of guys that go strictly and natural stuff. I'm out, I don't

do that. You never know when there could be a beaver, a big logger head turtle, you know, so on so and so forth. Uh, then they'll back into a beaver den, like the entrance to a beaver den. How about this a big cypress stump. I believe it was on I'm trying to remember the name of the lake where one of my buddies, uh went to go into a big cypress stump and as he was climbing in, here comes

a six foot alligator. M hmm. I've never seen many moves that fast right back out the So you gotta scout it out when the water is low on well with the with the system, I mean, the all natural the purists, they got to kind of scout, like how do they how do they become aware of the heidy holes reaching their hands like or into a log jam, or over a period of years they've learned like where the old trees have fallen and that are a hollow, or where a beaver has doug kind of just through life,

they just kind of find those spots. I used to know a guy that would. I grew up with a guy who's hunting buddies of my dad, and they were kind of like VFW buddies. Um, he would go and and feel undercut bangs for turtles. Oh what do you mean he wouldn't. I'm not. It's like you didn't see it. You ain't seen our logger head turtles. And you can use a stick to stick up in there too, to feel around, feel around and see the fish. Well hit

the stick. Yeah, I've seen guys also wait out spooker turtle and then just wait out and feel with your feet till eventually find I like my toast. And yeah. But you know what, when I was growing up, people everybody said, I don't have any reas I think this is true, But it was accepted as knowledge that a turtle will not bite you underwater. I don't know why. That was the thing that everybody said where they eat, right,

I mean yeah, but it was like a thing people said. Man, They're like, no, he won't like they won't bite you out of aggression underwater. Oh yeah. And as a kid who wants to swim, that's all you need, right, It's like, oh perfect. I was pulling up one time on a turtle trap, and my turtle trap it's just shaking, and there's a turtle in the trap fighting to the death, with a turtle out of the trap, fighting through the mesh like you could get his head out of the mash.

They're sure biting each other, have agression underwater. But it's just the thing people said that they oh, no, they won't bite you underwater. I don't know. All I'm gonna say is I have known a lot of people who will lie to you two. But what about biting up underneath the water? That they do bite under the water, Well, how the heck does he eat? No? I understand that. I don't know why. I don't know why. Everybody said that that it won't hit you won't to tap. Well,

i'll tell you what you can find out. I'm not pressent. Have you ever known anybody to lose a digit? No from a turtle or no? No, I have not. But then I've got a small group that I go with. I'm not gonna find out. I like my fingers and my toes too much. You've been um, you've been shot twice. Yes, I want to get to that in a minute. Hang tight, though, I can't hang loose? You hang loose? Yeah? What what the hell is that? Why do we have both those things?

I don't know. So when you you like your fingers and your toes too much, when you got shot where you'd kind of in a fetal position protecting those things, they didn't hit your fingers, did they? I still got shot in me all over. We'll talk about that. You tell me when you want to talk about it. Well, I just want that's gotta do something real quick. Okrant explain, I'll check out. Are you to explain the deal to the one? Krenz gotta tell us about the update about

the dude that was eating the dog? But it wasn't I feel like cal's probably better. We can we can maybe, well, did you research? Continue to research? Crens been on it. He refuses to contact the gentleman. Refuses to contact the gentleman. It feels as though he doesn't feel like talking about it. Yeah, y'all got a guy who was eating dogs. No, so here's the deal. I'll recap this because that's my Listen, there's a guy in New York cooking the dog up,

cooking a kyle. His neighbor has a fit. His neighbor has a fit and runs over video on him and raising Holy hell and calling the police. They come over, and they don't give him to the benefit of the doubt and confiscate his dinner, send it off to a lab. Listen, that was a big war on barbecue. You sigh, right, there wasn't it. Yeah, so that was a Southern sign at Yankees, so as you probably should. So they send

it off to where where cornell to the lab. The lab comes back and says, what, sure, this gentleman was cooking a coyote, So do they bring him back his thing? I mean, I don't think so they better bring him something. I don't know how much they tuck, that's my thought. So unfortunately, the only news source consistently reporting on this thing is like Cornell is certain it's a coyote, but until we really find out for sure, like these are

the actions that could happen. Either, um, the you know, whoever's in charge of livestock in the State of New York and handles animal cruelty is going to get in touch with this guy on the two percent chance that it is domestic, or uh, the State of New York fishing game is gonna uh talk to this guy further right and like leaves it like that. So I call I called the district uh fishing game there in in

uh whatever county it was, I can't remember now. Um, and you're doing primary research, yes, And I talked journalist talked to Warden and then um, you know, I mean he's like all anecdotal, right, He's like, well, yeah, I mean, it's not illegal. He's like, if you want to do it,

go for it. He's like it is, you know, coyote season, and um, in fact, I saw a TV show once somebody ate a coyote and I was like, oh, all right, it sounds good and then uh, and then I ended up calling back just a double double check, and UM spoke with with the regional communications and you got got the You got the impression that they had fielded quite a few phone calls at this but about it. Yeah,

and they're like, we know what you're getting after. And yes, it is completely legal to eat a coyote in the state of New York, as long as it's done during coyote season, which is lengthy. No, because you can eat a deer out of deer season. It's not like you've gotta like quit eating your venice and one season ends. That that would change the game quite a bit, wouldn't that. Yeah, it won't be a whole lot of time for eating because you're usually gone a lot of barbecue be barbecue season. Yeah,

I still think Cringe should find this guy. But this guy's got to be real sick of this whole occurrence for sure, and like the whole makeshift grill thing that they were talking about. So the guy you can see in the picture. Uh, the guy or family gets gets out in the woods. There's a canoe sitting up there. There's some things that you would attribute to folks that are are are messing around in the out of doors. And I think you'd singe the hair off the coyote

with the blowtorch and that was the makeshift grill. Probably. Yeah, Ah, this is the story that you know what we need. Here's what we need to do, Krin. I want you to get the guy, the lady told on them, and the person from the lab all here in the studio. We're gonna hash it out. I'm not gonna we won't quit until those two people hug each other. I know where I know where they both live. They're gonna walk

out here holding hands and go to dinner. I have google math Street exactly how I get ahold of the gentleman remains to be seen. Tell him we're gonna fly the both of them mountain. Wanting to just hash it out. I have a challenge for you for the gentleman who need the cot of cinema recipe for the next one. Well, it sounds like he was using my strategy. I think that he was using that strategy because I when I cooked the kyle, I just cooked kyle the way I

had seen dogs cooked. That's all. So I think that he was cooking a kyo in the way that he probably knows that that's a traditional dog prep. Now, crint, what's the final we're gonna talk about this go FUNDI deal. I think let's just talk about it now. I realized that we hit everybody up about go funding when Brandon Butler's place got burnt down to the ground and people really poured the coals to his go fund me campaign. I don't want this isn't like every week it's I

go to this go fund me. I'm not gonna be overdoing it on go fund me. But it's a guy who's a hunter. His daughter very ill, born ill. What is the she has bronco elmonary dysplasia, which ends severe pulmonary hypertension. Never even been I think she's spent pretty much her whole existence in them two and a half

years in hospitals. But this came to our attention because the father of the child was selling like he was on an archery chat room or Facebook group, selling his hunting equipment to raise money to cover travel back and forth and all the ants, llary and primary expenses involved in this. What is the name of that thing? It's kind of it's a heartbreaking, especially you got kids. I don't. I don't think you need to have kids to find

that heartbreaking. Cody Griffith's is the dude's name bow Hunter, Right, Yeah, Cody Griffith's. We had um a listener of the podcast right in and let us know that he as a member of a hunting group on Facebook. He had seen someone post in his hunting group, who is a member of another hunting group on on Facebook, that Cody was selling some of his archery gear and this led him

to look into Cody's go fund me campaign. It's called help Bobby Griffith Um, and it tells you all about his daughter, and I guess he was down to selling some of his hunting equipment to continue to try to raise money for her. I maype people should go take a look. Uh one last quick thing. I'm Last night we got down ice fish and it was late, so me and my wife took our kids to a bar to get him dinner. On the way home, and the bar had a sign on the door as you come

in a new sign that said no tweakers allowed. I was like, does that mean drugs or COVID tweakers t workers workers. I was like, I couldn't tell him that because, like, I've never heard of a COVID tweaker, COVID tweak, or someone's like very dialed on COVID precautions. This is the thing. Oh yeah, COVID tweakers. But then do you think it made like no drug people? Have those guys drink a lot though, Yeah, but the COVID tweakers not even even

go into a bar. That's what I was sick. It was like redundant, right, this brand new And then the only people wearing masks in the barrow of my kids, they were shooting pool of mass socks. They got there so trained up from school, they're comfortable to run around all damn time in a mask. So you think that's what it meant? Yes, yeah, I mean no drug people,

no drug addicts, Oh for sure. I mean where you don't have to specify exactly where you were, but like, for example, if you were on the high line in northern Montana, that would be like a more applicable place for a sign like that. Uh, you do see those those shirts around everyone Like there's like anti I shouldn't say anti tweaker. Everybody should be anti tweaker. Don't do drugs. Kids. If I type in COVID tweaker, I get the second hit I get as an article called coronavirus and illicit

drug you. So that combines it. Alright, So he got shot twice? Where was the first time he got shot? Not where? Like where and where? Meaning where were you and where on your body? Did you get hit? And did it hurt? Hell? Yeah, it hurts um first time? Creston Pittman the first The first time I got shot, I was in what we call Camp Shabby or Desuda National Forest. Uh and tell me the national forest again, de Soto de Soto de Sodo National Forest south of

Hattisburg in Mississippi. Guy, how does he get one that named after himself? I called it Camp Shelley because there's also an army base that is there, and you're liable to be in the woods hunting. Here comes tanks when they're doing their little army games. But anyway, you're getting shot gobbles off the his tanks. What is it called when you go for so many years and you can't be prosecuted. What is that terminology, Oh, statue of limitation? Yeah,

I think the statue of limitations are over with. Yes. In fact, I was probably one of the first that would go down in his truck, take his uh bicycle out of the back of his truck, and pedal around the little barriers that they had to get close to the impact ranges. Because you got him a guible twice, first when the big gun went off and second whenever the sheil hit the ground. Oh so you're round of this. Oh yeah, I mean that was the best way in the world. That was him, That was him, just making

that noise. No, I've been I've been down to the time or two. Do you are you missing teeth up on the top? Uh? Now? But I got split and I still have a though. Maybe he took them out in order to make good gobbles. No. Oa, so you're hunting by the army tanks. Well, I'm going. On that particular day, I was right across from the Cowpen Road. People in South Mississippi don't know exactly. Tell me the name of that road again, Cowpen? Yeah, No, I'm with

you and a sixteen year old. Basically, I'm working a bird. It's a gobbler with three hens. And one thing that I found out a long time ago is that in a last resort, I will gobble at him. Oh that's how you got shot. So I can't totally blame. So it's true. Both times I got shot, I was gobbling. Okay, So it's true you could get shot for goblin, Yes, especially in public ground. And that's where I was at.

So I guess he saw a movement or whatever it may be, and heard me gobble, and a sense came did you what did you know the guy was there? Not in the course, not actually would have done it, not in the beginning. No, And uh basically just got that sense. It came over and something was not right. Not that I was looking at the bird and he gave me any I just kind of eased my head around and looking. There is a young man, uh standing

by a tree. Well the old single barrel twelve games and as I hollered, I bawled up into a ball and the majority is shot, hitting my back and uh, let's just say my rear end, Uh did penetrate? Uh? Que, Well, I want to back up a second. How far are we at the time? How far were you from the turkey? You were about sixty yards? Do you so it seems like this guy was kind of like maybe sneaking in on the gobbles. Okay, so he wasn't like set up there. Coincidentally,

I got you. He's hearing all the times I got shot. He's hearing this racket and he's kind of like coming in to have a look. Didn't hear him call, didn't hear anything. So I just bawled up into a ball. He shot and it wasn't like a death shot, but it penetrated. Think of about a hundred wasp stinging you at one time. That's about what it felt like. From what range did he hit you? About forty five yards?

That's when we had lead shot, only not copper coated lead and not T s S. Do you feel like, Um, just from your understanding of turkey shot at that distance, Um, would that would that have the MP to get through your skull and get your brain? Well? I had two pillars, only two pillars that they removed was right beside my back of my neck. Oh, it could have got your

spine and the rest of them. They said, we'll do more damage and taking them out than you know, just let him stay and over a period of about five years, I'd get like a pimple on my back and starts scratching it and they're coming. Number six shot popping out. Save some of those huh why not why? And a little put it? Tell you like this those type of trophies. I don't want. Um what uh the shooter? Did he run off or did he run over to help? Was

he helpful? Daddy? If about forty years ago your son came home without his shotgun, I still have it to this day. Let's just say we ended up in a confrontation. I don't want to use that strong of the language that I we didn't agree with each other. I'm trying

to say this politically correct. I confronted him, and he proceeded to tell me that he could hunt anywhere he wanted to, as I'm trying to educate the young man to the point of recognize your target, to see the whole animal, don't shoot it, say on, so on so on, And he was blaming you for having uh. Yes, and I do take part of the I take part of the blame. But when he swung that old single barrel at me, and after he shot you, Oh yeah, and told me to go to Haydes that he would hunt

anyway he wanted to. Uh. I proceeded to disarm him. Shall we say, man, talk about a guy doubling down? You're talking about are you reading that? Getting I just got to say it, piste off. I got piste off now, so he he got you onder the edge of after he shot, he tried to knock the hill out on me with his gun barrel. I think you, guys, I would feel that if I shot someone, I would run over and sort of be like, um, boy, am I in the wrong? Is there anything I can do to

be of assistance? Well, the second time I got shot, that's exactly what happened. That's okay. Well, I want to folks. And it was about three hundred yards from where I got shot at the time, and I was doing the same thing. You know, we're kind of hard to educate something. Is that where you plan on taking Steve Turkey hunting when he comes down to visit. I don't even go in that part of the country anymore. Uh. The second time I got shot, basically I'm not um, no police involvement,

but yeah, did you go seek medical treatment? Ah? I finally went to the hospital that doug those two shots out. How many pels did you get in? You a bunch? Let's just say later on that night, after I got back from the hospital. Um, if you want to picturing your mind on funny side, uh, imagine someone having a couple of adult beverages and then getting on top of the bathroom counter with a need, a pocket life and a pair of tweezers and popping as many as you

can out of your rear inn out. That was just man. The second time, I didn't get penetrated that much, and you never said to the cops here I got shot. Well, you beat up, I think john, people do that. Let me give you a first wait wait wait, wait wait wait, we called the cops. We called the cops last night. You got to realize, though, how many years ago that was? Okay? Okay, I'm sixty seven, I think, yeah, sixty seven years old. I was in my twenties, early twenties whenever this happened,

and I just didn't see any need to do it. Okay, the second time, second time, and here again we're going way back. Okay, we're going back and when there were not that many turkey hunters. There was nothing for nation that there is out there now with you know, quality TV shows like yourself and all the others and the Internet than having in that crap. Uh, you were turkeys too, probably right then? Oh, I can remember trying to find

a track. I've been through it all. I've seen from basically very little, all the way to the rise of what we call the good old days, to the steady and off to the decline that we're having late nineties, early two thousands. About no before the two thousands, we're gonna say nineties, it's gonna be in the nineties. Um. But this gentleman I knew, and he was one of the few what I call good turkey hunters. But he's a creeper too, That's what I say. A creeper, Huh,

A sneaker. That's not bushwhagon, that's figuring them out by a guy. Because I want to you. If I can't call him, I'll crawling. Okay, So let's tea. I want to listen. I'm really interesting in getting shot there. But I want to understand the Norman clature here or the the lexicon. What in your mind is a bushwhacker? Somebody shoot him out the window. Yeah, your vehicle. Now, what's your opinion on the ground blacks where that damn things?

It's too confining. Now hang on, let's stop right here so that that that that I can get this out right. People that are listening as a general center, ruse. You don't walk and call and you don't sneak. There are places, are tracts of land that you can get away with it. We're fixing to get into a whole scoop. I don't even know what I want people to hunt safely. Okay, we're talking about eight. I just want to understand before we do that. I want to get into life lessons

about getting shot turkey. But I just I'm just I'm just curious about this from from regional variations. Uh a creeper, here's a gobble and sneaks up on it. Have you ever tried it in the South? No, okay, then you hit and tried it. Yet, don't give me the you're gonna you're gonna lay on the like these turkeys are so like everyone knows that the Missouri turkey. No, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. It's very hardest states. They are evenywhere

in the country. If you can kill a bird in Mississippi and Alabama, you can go anywhere in the United States and kill a bird. I promise you. We have the seasons of any state. But you're not. You won't answer my question. Okay, question, what is a creeper? A creeper is someone that um if he won't come to you, you go to him. By that time, you have been in on this bird multiple times and you have figured out what is going on. Either he is homosexual or either he has all the hands that he wants and

it's not going to come to you. Now. Is that the accepted procedure that most turkey hunters do? Absolutely not, but you are open to it. I'll put a hen decoy on my head and crawl out in the middle of a cow pastern kill him. I'll put a tail chaser on my gun barrel and crawl up and kill him. I'll dig a hole in the ground and bury myself to kill him. So you're not down on the creeper that shot you. Okay, I thought it was a derogatory term. Alright, So there you are hunting. We're hunting, and am I

gonna catch some slack over this. I don't care though. It's my style. It's my way, not from this grew Okay. It was like I said, if I can't call him, I will crawl him. If it's legal in that particular state. Alabama, for example, just passed the law that like the fanning, that's a creeper. You've seen that that that's a creeper, right, Okay, fanning is illegal now in the state of that. How do they even if you're stationary or yeah, how do they spell it out? There's multiple states that can but

how do they describe? You know what I mean? Like, well, how is it described? Basically? I am guessing. Okay, Uh. I have to tell you about a couple of different products made by Mojo. There is the tail Chaser erect, which has an apparatus that goes on to your gun barrel okay, that you can crawl and keep in front of you, and it has like a little tripod on it, and then there just scoot and shoot that has a

handle behind. And I've had one of those in my Amazon car because they're out of stock for a long time. I like those things. Let me know if you need one, I can get you one. Please Okay, you need one? Yeah, okay, okay, uh, Terry, are you hearing this? I need three more. I don't even think it's in my I think that now something's in your Amazon cart. So long to your wife deletes it because she's like, why is this been in here for like eight monks? Just don't know the right Okay,

but man, we still haven't talk about getting shot. But go on, but go on. I don't know where the heck oup was that? Oh? But that that that that's a creeper. If you don't want to enlighten normal and it's a it's a fan that allows you to move yes, up on birds like partially at least partially obscured. Yes, probably more so because their attention is on the fan. Someone to explain why this is dangerous, because yeah, what do you what did you got? You've got a gobbler?

What are you trying to hunt? I got? I'll repeat, only do this in places where you know you can do it safely, like very private land, in the middle of that private land. Oh and Yania, are you trying to um find out how they articulate? Yeah? Right now, that's a tough one to explain and regular yeah, and I can't wait to hear like what exactly, like how they express it, Like, I think that's the state of Pennsylvania.

You cannot uh, you have to be stationary, period. And I believe you have to walk in with Hunter's orange. And I have also been told that you need to put a like a ban or whatever hanging on the tree. I'm not sure about that part of it. I believe in Pennsylvania they say many years you can stalk a turkey right in some places. Huh, that makes sense, Like if you're mobile, you have to display that your mobile by wearing plays orange. That that would be an easy

way to do. That feels a little big brother to me personally. I believe that's the only eight where Hunter's Orange is required. Interesting, I believe, I don't know that far fact. Probably because he had a bunch of ninnies reporting themselves to the cops every time they got shot. That's why it's best just keep quiet, you tweezers. Let me, let me set the seat, let me set the scene

for you. Here you are, you're a survivor. You've been shot turkey hunting before you got shot because you're a goblin. So you go back out to that spot and commenced to goblin, and a gentleman creeps up only and basically the same thing steps on a twig. As he's getting close to me here again, I turned and looked, and I went, oh my god, bawled up into a ball. I thought I was gonna have to carry him out. He was that upset. He was that upset, and he

quit hunting. Oh now, wait a second, that's not the rest of the story. Finally, I kept on him and talk to him, to him, everything's okay, honest mistake. I'm to blame as much as as you are. And uh, I made him go turkey hunting again. Really, so you kind of like stuck with him and mentored him through it. Not mentored him, but and he was older than I was, and I was a kid back there. I wasn't like I think it was like two years after I got shot the first around. Hell, it might have been eighteen

or nineteen when I got shot the first time. The second time, I was I can't remember, somewhere between eighteen and twenty five somewhere. And he's still around now, he's passed away. M hmm. But he went back turkey hunting again, How did it, like, at what point did you at what point in the getting shot? Like when did the tables turn? You know what I mean? Like did you immediately?

I mean, so you imagine that someone accidentally shoots you and they rush over to comfort you, Like, how quickly did it become that that You're like, oh, uh, he's hurt more than I am. Immediately almost because he's on the ground and he's holding his chest and he's crying. You know what I mean. I mean he comes to me immediately whenever I screamed, and then he comes to me. And when he gets right there on me, I stand up.

He falls down to his knees. He's got his head buried in his hands, sobbing, you know, apologizing, and I'm going, I'm fine. You know, it's stung a little bit. You know that I've been here before. Yeah, yeah, hell, let's second. Tell what he did do? Though? It made me go find some private land to hunt. Well, if you're you told me a very important lesson my gobling the woods. It took twice, but it finally got through. Hit us with that gobl again. Wait a second, I don't really

stand how you doing that? Pretty amazing. It comes and goes. Now at my age, that's halfway decent. That's pretty interesting. Let me teach you. I don't know, man, Yes, well we got some other instructing to do. But yeah, okay, let me okay, can we get into right. We'll do what we'll do. Lesson number one now okay, lesson number one is real, sep say the word al now say it inhaling air. Oh there you go. Oh kind of man. We'll get a sore throat squeezed to get it. I

need the foundation. That's the foundation. It hurts. Oh, it's owl. And then what in all inhale? All inhale? You're in your inhale when you do that? Yes, can you see it again? Oh? Nice? Yeah, wagged that tongue, Jannie. Similar like when I do an elk bark I inhale, you can gobble. Yanni's a gifted. He's given that. Hey, Yanni, show show him the way off people. This is elk way off. Yeah, otherwise known as a whistle. That's where you're like, man, I don't know if I want to

walk way over there? Oh, oh, somehow there's like a pop in there a little bit. What's on that it strong, and then I'm relaxed. Your larynx is a rubber band. This is the analogy I'm gonna use here. How my voice now is starting to get a little deeper. I've stretched mind so much I can't do it like what I used to could do it, and it's not dependable. But it's like I'm stretching that rubber band and then I'm letting off of it, and I'm using my tongue too.

He even gets that microphone shaking. Uh, how did how did how did it come to be? How did you wind up on let him in doing Turkey Colling well on O from the nineteen fifty three I was hatched when I popped out of my MoMA and the baby doctor grabbed me by my hind legs and hit me on the hine instead of crying, That's what I did. Some say that was Thanksgiving Day. I'm an old competition caller. Yeah, I even see that. You were the champ of champs.

That's the hell of I've held all five different world championships, some of them multiple times, State, regional, district, Grand, National, National, That's what I did. That was that was my sport. Can you make any money doing that. But you don't make money that you don't there's like a purse that you win, right, well, yes and no. Oh, so there's

like a big prize money. You know. I didn't mean like all the ancillary industry and all that expertise, but I mean, like, here's the money because you won, uh, like the World Championship at one point in time, pay five thousand dollars first place. Okay, so uh when I started, you were lucky. If you get your entry phase back and maybe a shotgun and some of the guys now all are like the n wtf um you used to have the big purse five four three? Do you want? Okay? Here,

let me hit you with some of these credentials. So you've won. I can't believe it's just made things to win. Oh, it's a sport. Yeah. I mean if you were like a rodeo guy, you couldn't generate a list of winds like this. It used to be a giant the World Turkey Calling Contest, the World Natural Voice turkey Calling Contest. Then here's like tag Team turkey Calling, the World two man Team turkey Calling contest. Like your throat gets so sorry you tag your buddy, Now you're doing a scenario.

Oh why aren't we through that? The two man team is basically they will give you a scene like you're walking down another logging Can we do it? Because I want to do it with you and Yanni? Oh lord, this is hard. We practice this stuff. You got practice, Okay. I want you to play both parts and Steve will give you the scene. No, yeah, but give me a scenario. Give me like an example of a scene. I'm walking down the logging road in South Alabama is late uh

in the season. Birds have been hammered pretty hard. You locate the bird uh with some type of a locator call, and then you commenced to call the bird in required calls, clucks and purrs, cutting other hen turkey, scratching in the leaves. I didn't bring my flapping scratch something some one of the people, one of the two men is playing the guy. Whatever. Whatever, You worked the scenario out between the two collars. My team member, for example, in a couple of a couple

of times I wanted was Chris Parrish. My team member might do a PV A woodpecker in the bird, not gobble. So you gotta take it from the tip o. Lord, you might have a wood wood duck come whistling overhead, and then I might blow a crow call and the turkey gobbles to it was up for It's so you're really you're responsible for the whole whatever. I like it. I like so there's like a semi that drives by in the distance. I even broke in one time. I'm a little crazy though. It's just okay, all right, let

me just here. We don't need to do the whole average. You know, I just might to provide a couple of things. So let's do let's do this. Okay, So wood duck flies by, Um, well, I know how my wood duck whistle call. Oh so it's not okay, so you're allowed to bring up, but how do you know what to bring because you don't know the scenario. Well, you know what the scenario is ahead of time, and then the two guys get together. You're oh, so you can rehearse.

It's not like it's not like im no no, no no no. It might be the day of the contest. They gave it. So that way you can kind of round up what you need. For example, here's a real quick Oh you ought to hear this guy. I'm not dude, you haven't heard this guy. You do a better one and night when you're into it. I can do a good crow. Okay, do crow? No, you got a great Oh you're not bringing it my little, My little role at the end is I've I've forgotten it or lost

it or something. But I can't have been that role. He's just not feeling it because he's not out the woods. He can rip one. And by the way, you're supposed to play attention to this. I know you and you play so No, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But Yanny, go ahead. He's being bashful. He gobbles. I tissed it? What's it? What do you do do now? Nothing? Moments labor A truck rolls by. Well all right, ah, oh this is my part man, listen to mine, and he goes. I want to hear that one again, like

that drumm. Now when I'm trying to paint the picture I'm trying to paint, is I have a hent? First? She cut, try to get excited. He did not respond. I came back with soft calling, clucking, pern seftie up, and then I threw a drum in there. So I'm painting the picture in the turkey that I'm hunting that there is a hen, but she has a non responsive with her. So you'll you will make a you will mimic something that happens in nature. You'll mimic a drum to get a gobbler worked up. Oh god, yes, that's

one of my favorite calls. One again, m hmm. I've never uh have you? Have you like encountered people doing that? Very few? No, And I'm surprised that we haven't heard that guys uck? Well who says, Hello, who's guys uck? He used to compete against you? Hello? Back? Uh, you might have whooped him, He might have whooped you. I don't know it, don't mater. I haven't gotten a third the way through all your credentials. Let me put it to you like this, nobody else will ever get the

chance to you. Quit. I'm retired, hung up your spur. That's right, so to speak. That's right. I don't have to prove it to anybody else anymore. And the guy's out there a lot better than me right now. Tell people what that when he's drumming and spitting there. Tell people what the birds are actually doing human terminology. No just like explained like what he's like the noise, like you made the noise. Explain that noise displaying or he's in full strut. He's blown up, is basically what he is.

He's trying to make an impression on that hen that I'm the prettiest mail that you've ever seen. And I want to make love to you. I want to breathe you. That's what I want to do. And by just drumming and not gobbling. And since the bird that I'm hunting is vocal, and if you heard when I did to collucking purrs and I drummed, he gobbled. So now I've playing that picture in his mind there's a dude over

there trying to steal his girlfriend. But I mean, I want you to tell people how the bird makes that noise. You know, I don't think anybody has ever truly figured it out with or it's coming from the body or coming from the mouth. I think it's coming from the actual from the mouth itself. I think because he's also

beating his wings, you know, on the ground. Well, now that's a whole total different sound that where the wingtips are dragon, I think it's coming from inside of the body, and I still think it's coming from the actual mouth itself. He might be sucking in there. I don't know. I'm not done that research. Mike Chamberlain, what about Mike Chamberlin and tell us, well, I'm sucked into the story now,

So where do you go from here? So you you're telling this turkey that's on the approach that there's a male competing for a female and he better get over here. I'm not gonna gobble. I'm gonna continue my yelping if he gobbles. For example, you find um, okay, that's the one that you're hunting. That's one I'm hunting. Okay, okay, But in the scenario, there's no okay in a two man turkey calling scenario, there's no human. You're supposed to

be doing like birds, communicating to birds. You're not replicating a hunter. Well, one is the hunter, yes, and one is the bird that I'm after. I got you, So we're I thought you're you're creating an entirely natural scenario of how this might play out between two turkeys. No, no, no, I'm with you. Well, we're trying to harvest the birds. What we're trying to do in the two man and usually one person is primarily the bird that you're hunting, and one person is the hunter, but sometimes they get

together also. It just depends on what I'm trying to accomplish. So really it's a it's a test of how two people can sort of like their vocabulary of natural noises, including turkey sounds, and how they might create the cadence and calls response. Give me a county back in the background that could be an elk buglint, even though that doesn't happen that time of year, but it's still painting that picture, you know. And they do do these weird

little bugles in the spring. You have your partner get real excited and then make a fly down noise and then shut like the next two and a half hour, let's fly down. What's a tree column? Yeh m? All right? Did you hit the ground? Ah? Okay? Let me telling me the best thing to do right here, I'm what kind of loss where we're at? If he is progressively now starting to move towards you and is gobbling that much, you know what the best thing to do with this

turkey collar is put in your pocket spit it. I shut up. You've done enough. All you can do is educating a little bit more. Now let me keep painting the scene on your credentials. So the World Man, the World two Man, the World two Man Team Turken Calling Contest, the World Gobbling Turkey Calling Contest, the World All Call Turkey Calling Contest. You're the only man to a little

person to hold five different world titles. Other wins include seven National champion ships, nine National champ of Champs, the US Gobbling Champion, the Grand National Gobbling Champion, and Grand National Champ of Champs. Blind Hog finds an acre every down again, what's the Champ of Champs? It's like a world that's like it's like nationals. Uh, like the World Champions Champions, all the Grand Nationally m WTF Grand National Champione Champions is only open to the former national or

Grand National winners. So it's like if there's six or seven World champions there, six or seven Grand National Champions there, they'll duke it out. We duke it out and you won that. So you beat you went in and but you went in and beat the whoever had accrued previous wins. Is there like in the in the turkey call in the world. Um, do you guys all remain chummy or there like legitimate rivalries where people stop liking each other.

I like everybody, so he doesn't get ugly. He doesn't get ugly, like where you honestly don't like somebody another caller, like a professional rivalry. I come from the old days. And uh, let's see if you recognize this name, Ben Rogers Lee. He is the anyway, he's the father. Okay. Basically what it breaks down to the turkey colling, to publicizing and so on and so forth. Please do a little research and educate him on that. Okay. Uh, there are people who don't like other people. Yes, I didn't

mean like that. Like, I didn't mean it that way. I meant I don't mean that you don't like them. But is it when you guys get together, are you all sitting at the same table. The vast majority yes, it says it stays friendly. I'll sit down and have a beer with Chris Parrish or whoever it may be. You know, at any point in time, and I have

this saying, especially now, pass it on. Please pass it on. Uh. And I encourage any and of the competition callers are willing to help someone else, so it's a lot more positive, but very few. Now there's some that might not show you their call because it's their quote secret cut like in their diaphragm, and they don't want everybody else to get it. Yes, that goes on, but that's about the extent, you know. So you won one of these. And then someone from a producer from David Letterman was like, I

need to get this guy on the show. Actually kind of like who was it who called? Clay's the one who called, I believe UH called the n w TS National Wild Turkey Federation, and uh, they set a lot of this stuff up, whether it was Letterman, Leno, Rigis and Kelly and all the craft that I've done, it

basically all came through U n WTF. And at one point in time, while Turkey Bourbon was a sponsor of the adult divisions, like the first time that I did Letterman, Um, I can't remember the young ladies know, but it was her father was the head brewer of Wild Turkey Bourbon uh in Canada, and uh she basically flew as alien. Yeah,

and UH took care of everything. But ninety of it has been from been from the n WTF that basically people would get in contact with them and ask about people and I think I didn't let them in three times something like that. Do you recognize though, I feel like I've seen some of those segments. I'm sure you have there not laughing with you. Maybe I don't care, see that. That's the difference between me and a lot of people. I don't care if you laugh with me

or you laugh at me. Just laugh and enjoy life is too damn short, and not to enjoy it because they like, you go on there and they're kinda ain't no, kind of too And I know exactly when I'm getting into Yeah, they don't. They don't care about calling in turkeys. Uh no, no, no. But it's like, but it's like a thing. It's like it's a thing that's really hard to do, right, It's like it's exceptionally hard to do and you dedicate your whole life to it. But then

it's like, look at that dumb redneck. I don't care. That's good. Well, I mean you look at it. This one football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey, whatever it may be. Turkey colling is a legitimate sport. I mean literally whenever I was actively competing in all over the country. I worked out every single solitary day. I was practicing every day, even whenever I was working on the way to work lunchtime,

after I got off of work, I was practicing. I was working out, I headed down to where I had calls tune to a small room like this, to a open room, to a metal covered room. You say, calls tuned to those things? Really, yes, Like what's gonna sound good in the studio? What's gonna sound good? And huh there you go? Do you have, um, do you have like a pretty finely trained ear? You know, like, do you hear do you feel that you hear music different

than people hear music? Or I'm not going to say music, but I do on uh turkey calling, because now mostly what I do and I try to get out of as much as I can is um, I judge, and I'm literally listening for someone who can sound better than a wild turkey. It would absolutely zero mistakes, and that is very very hard to accomplish because in reality and wildlife, sometimes your worst sounding caller is a he in herself and she'll miss a note. Do notes. What you would

say is backwards what written. Maybe it was just kind of like getting your tongue and then being able to talk just like a human. Maion. The other day we were on a previous episode, we were playing funny like a natural sounds of very funny sounding turkeys, or like a hand who yelps seventy sometimes in a row. Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard that's just never stopped, just doesn't stop, It just doesn't And where was this at? Do you remember where that clips on YouTube? I don't

remember where it was. You just watched your standing. There wasn't it? Seventies some yelps in a row? It looks like Eastern woods mhm h words. So you were like, you're dyslexic? Yes? To how bad? Like to to? Uh? I don't know if cryppling is the right word. But well, I mean, are you able to sit down and read a book now? Yes? Yeah, but it would probably take

me five times is long to read? As you was school hard thirteen years to graduate when it's supposed to take you to half Yeah, nobody knew what it was, but what do they think it was? We're trying? Oh you're dumb, yeah, you know, and and and may I interject here if if you have a child that has that problem, you know now they recognize that they know about it and know how to treat it and know how to help people. Please get them help. Uh you like you had, you were like stigmatized as not being

bright correct. I ain't got no book learning. I mean, words will flip and I've learned how to combat it on my own. But letters and words will flip on me. I will still do certain. I'm liable to right to say backwards. But it's only in reading right, like it's not in speaking. Speaking doesn't bother me. So you when you're reading, you'll read, so say it doesn't it doesn't switch. I cannot speil. Learning to spell always remains difficult when you dyslexic. I can't spell with me right now today.

I mean I can spell some words, but thank God for that phone. You know how do you? How do you spell sasparilla? You know what? I just? Do you have? Do you have siblings? I have one child. I have three step boulders, all of them girls. You have brothers and sisters? I have one brother? Was he older? Younger? He's older? So he was smart? And you weren't. That was like the way they just think. I'm gonna give Cloude Pittman that compliment. You're crazy. Yes, he was very smart.

Uh um trying to move the right. His name is Claude Cloud Yes. Uh, he's ten years older than I am. Ah, that's a big spread between two kids. Oops. Yeah, I'm not gonna tell you that story. But anyway, and uh, and as you're growing up, your dad had uh my dad was a fight for the plumber. But three heart attacks. Oh no, he had four heart attacks, one stroke, and the fifth heart attack killed him. What age are you when that was growing on going on? I would have

been in my twenties, late twenties. Was he a turkey hunter? Was not? Claude? No, he wouldn't walk across the street for the biggest buck of the biggest turkey. But if you give it, he was a drafts one, that's what he was. Uh. If you gave him a basket full of parts to put an automobile or a car together, Uh, I mean our a motorcycle, he's your man. And that was his hobby. Uh. Like I said, primarily he was a draft one in Texas who got you into it? Then here we go back in the old days. We

had families. I get to preach. I get to stand on my little right now. We had families that did things together. There were no cell phones. It was not the internet. Uh. It was families getting together and doing things together. And they had a little day in Carthridge, Mississippi, the fourth of July celebration. And at that celebration they

had a turkey calling contest, a duck calling contest. I hat you throwing contests, archery contest, get contest, uh, Greece peg contest, Greece pole, old time country day competitive, bunch of them. Here you go. Figure that one out. Uh. And my family took me there and I was, oh yeah. In a fishing rodeo, I was twelve years old and I won the fishing rodeo and found out I was two years too old. It stopped at age ten. And I now, don't get this wrong. My dad was a

great hunter. When he was a bird hunter, coil back when we had coil in the South, and dearer hunter. He was a dog man. What was we had a thing in our quail since nineteen sixty two? Down three, it's a that's stunning man. How about I think it's like a national declining quail, since it's no doubt, there's

no doubt. Yeah, sorry, we're going Okay. I met a general by the name of Jack Dudley who was a natural voice caller and at that point in time was the state champion, and it was like competition, Turkey Colin, I love the Hunt. I'm gonna meet this guy, and

I was kind of like a little leech. I attached myself to him, and he meant towards me and brought me up to the point to where through telephone and him doing some very small you know, instructional like the gunner, real sportsman, his club, Turkey Hunt is just starting to be talked about. Okay. I see I graduated in sev it would have been in the late sixties, mid to

late sixties is where it would have been. App and uh, I learned we've been after voice and at that point in time, if I heard as saying, give me enough time and I could reproduce it. I can't do it anymore, though, So don't don't go there with me. I'll be throwing up on your mic. Uh. I came back at the age sixteen, and I didn't have junior contests, and you said the Mississippi State Turkey College Championship. And when I

walked off the stage, I was a state champion. All the old farts like, I'm an old fart right now, it's going. Where did that little ship come from? What you were sixteen? Sixteen years from? How old are you when you killed your first turkey? Nine? Oh? I see, so you didn't that. So I was curious about you didn't um, you didn't go like turkey calling. You didn't go turkey calling turkey hunting. You went turkey hunting, turkey calling,

but you were already interested in turkeys. And the first bird that I ever killed, the statue of limitation should have been gone by then, was illegal. God forgive me, everybody forgive me. I've done some things that I shouldn't have done in my younger days, but I got up when you're nine years old? Everybody does. I got my ask to wark to you. Uh. At thirteen, I started trying to turkey hunt. We'll tell you about the one you got in your nine just out of season or yeah, okay,

I ain't gonna tell you everything. I mean, no one's gonna no one's gonna hold that that's more of a parent that's more of a parenting issue than I got my rear end because of that. Uh but at thirteen I started trying to a turkey hunt. Fourteen I was somewhat of a turkey hunter. Fifteen I'm beginning to think I'm a turkey hunter. Sixteen I win the state championship. Uh man, I'm a turkey hunter. God was so wrong.

I didn't even have the foundation lay good this that about the time you think you've got her figure it out, you die got it. It's a lifetime, it's ever evolving. I still learn stuff, if not every day, every season, give me a um, give me a turkey hunting tip,

whether whether it involves calling or not. Like if you're gonna say, like, you know, looking back on life, I realize the most important thing that I have learned in my career is to pay attention to what is going on around you, not only with your eyes, but more so with your ears. Your ears can tell you more of what is happening then your eyes or anybody else. Are all the YouTube's and everything else it is out there that is available. Example, I'm calling to a bird,

he's actively gobbling to me. He's actively getting closer to me. He shuts up. Is he coming or is he going? Because he's doing one of the two things. One rabbit comes running by me real fast. What's going on with the turkey state? No, he's not. Why is he not coming? He spooked him to you sked him and you very much.

Yes he did. He figured it out. And predator is chasing a predator is there's a good chance fifteen minutes, I think if he doesn't showed up, a predator is chasing is in the area because he's chasing that rabbit. The opposite. The opposite would apply. If two rabbits come by, then one's a male and one's the female, and you know what's going on. Holds your ground as long as you need to scratching the leaves a little bit, do a little soft yelp, because he's right behind that big

brush over there. Another and the running rabbits are just a breeding pair. Pay attention to that blue jay, that magpie, whatever it may be. Crows, those are talking to you and telling you what's going on and what's happening in life. Just like Clay's trying to get you better with a crow call. You're welcome. Uh, you can pay you for that. He paid you for that. No, no, but he bright no, he wanted to do that. Seriously, you can use his crow call right here in turkey hunting. Here's your real

quick example. H Why do you guys put it in backwards and flip it. I'm motioning it. That's a diaphragm call. I just said, of singing that gobbler's mind and put a lot more realism into it. But now on, if you notice a helld the crow call up, I am acting as if a crow is aggravating that he in turkey down here. It could be done with a coil whistle. It could be done with the squirrel just jumping up on the side of the tree and doing a short bark, not a long bark, and not the old fussing, you know,

because that means predator. So he's paying attention to everything that's going on around you. We'll only step you ten steps ahead. Colin ain't worried about it. Heck, they can sound like you. Oh I've proven that, dude, Yeah you have. They got no. Yeah, It's like I've got Clay's digs in there. So I'm gonna leave it alone. After that, because I even heard really good callers, really good callers

say it's Collins ten percent of the game. Do you think it's higher, Natal, because I've seem like this dude guys uck. There there there situations, This dude guys uck. It's really I've never been in the woods. You I'm sure i'd be this the same or better. But this dude guys uck. I don't know, man um, it makes it seem like Collins a way higher than ten percent.

There are situations, yes, but you give me a good woodsman who has great woodsman ship ability and has the basic college of a wild turkey that can go and that's all he can do as far as a call, I'll take him ten times over. I will a world champion caller who is strictly into the sport and there's not even that I know, uh, strictly to win a contest and not hunt. I'll take that Wood's been ten times over someone who can call the best in the world.

You know, he might take even over that who's is a person that uh lives on a property and has a shipload of trailer cams out because they're like they hear a gobble, like if I'm with my friend Doug on his place. Guy, he's trumped around the st patch ground his entire life. Right. I hear gobble and I'm like, oh, it's over yonder dogs, Like, oh, you know where that is. He's standing by that one tree that he usually goes snarre over that other tree. Yes, let's run over there, right,

And I'm like, is that good turkey hunting? Is that just survey? That's the new young farts? Mm hmm. I'm not saying it's by that. I'm not saying that. I don't think it's bad. It's just different. It's there, you go, it's different. But I feel like, but by a second, now you have impressed me as an outdoors one. You have impressed me as someone who understands whitsmanship. What has that person who is strictly relying on their cameras, what have they learned? Well? I think that they have the joy.

I think that they feel the joy of discovery the same way that I would feel the joy of discovery. I think that they like that they're they're finding things out that in the process pleases them. That makes you wanna get your turkey call out, that makes you just want to shut up. That's fine, that's not my way. Yeah, I don't want to steal their humanity. That's fine. I'm

being nice. I'm not saying I wouldn't use that. No, but you bet your tongue metaphorically to the point where you almost put your turkey call in h You're like, the only way to not reply is for my turkey call in my mouth. Get uh, get Samantha. Uh. I want you to get her. You can, you can get anyway to make a call a sound. Now, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna do something sweet hard, don't you do my favor? I want you to lean your head backwards and open up your mouth and let me look inside

your mouth. Oh okay, now you know what I'm doing. Chicken, she's got tonsils. I am seeing the size of the roof of her mouth. The one major problem that adults have is that a frame or a turkey call is too large. Okay, there are frames that are small, frame calls that was set up into the roof of your mouth. Do you want to try the hardest thing that there is, which is a diaphragm. No, that's what we're here for. Okay, Well,

I want to understand first what the diaphragm calls for. Specifically, Okay, the diaphragm calls what you see me right here with Yes, it is an app Put that sucker down. It is an apparatus. He wants to get you one out of that chew ten, He's guy. There, Now are the holy grail? Uh? The object is is for that call to become part of the roof of your mouth. Do not swallow. It hurts when it goes down. It hurts words when it comes out. Oh yes, you got them stuck in your throat.

Oh yes, huh man, I've never even come close to that. They think I must be not trying hard. I'll say it hurts worse when it comes out when it goes down, So be very careful. Have you ever played with a diaphragm before a little bit? Don't you throw all that away? Okay? One that taught me. I don't care what do you say? Throw it all away, like all this prior knowledge, all the bad habits. I gotta grab something. He's gonna grab a palate extender. Okay, he just produced the bottle of water.

That's that's for something a little bit later. That's your that's your choo spit bottle? How many more of those you got in there? I have one, let me see one. I just want to follow along. He's rummaging through a bag, dig and Diaphragm calls out. It's like Mary Poppins. We don't know how how far the bag goes a fall crystal lamp shad. He's got a tooth, He's got a toothbrush in that bag. He's got a giant sack of calls. All right, so Sam gets a bright, new shiny package. Call.

The first thing I want you to do, say the word chuck, chuck, chuck. Say it again, check, say it's third time. Say it now when you say it the fourth time? Want you to tell me where the tip of your tongue is at chuck it? Where's it at the roof of my mouth? It was not put down. Take the tip of your tongue and put up in the roof of your mouth and try to say chuck. And so it's like behind my teeth, right at the bottom, behind your teeth. Can you feel how your tongue has

a curvature to it? You're right, yeah, chuck, yeah, chuck. It's hard to tell where your tongue is. It's hard to describe where your tongue sits. You know, it's not like an out of me. He's of an amy focus. Now, what I don't want you to do is I want you to go, not saying the word, but go chu chuck push some are out there, you go? There you go. Now I want this frame is too big for me. I can solve that. That might be a little bit large, but just the way I want to go in the

roof of your mouth. Now I want you to do. Keep going. Push it up a little bit tighter in my mouth, I remember in my mouth. Yes, you wo are to go in between the tongue and the collar. Okay, you see how your mouth is kind of open? I cast it. Okay, y'all, her mouth is a little bit open. Try to narrow it a little bit more. Oh I had I had my tongue in the wrong plasure. Okay, but you're well on your way right there. You do

this for me. Oh you're gonna spit and be liable to choke, and you're liable to do everything else just for the fune. Okay, there you go here? How you getting you're making a higher note? Think of the kid that has gotten a piece of balloon, y'all, and I'm holding this, I guess he was horizontally on each end and stretching it. The more that he or she will stretching, the higher the note. Now let's taking the mind and if I move that vertically, that's what you're doing with

your tongue. You're stretching that piece of rubber. The basic kend note is a two note, a high and low yelp yep, yep, yep. So you're That's the reason why I use the analogy of the word chuck, because it starts out with your the mid part of your tongue on the collar and then comes off of it. You may even drop your jaw slightly if you are losing air, and you are losing air on the side, press and throw that in into an exaggerated version what you're talking about.

Let's slow down mm hmm, just for the phone of it. This is not a real good beginner's call. Not a good beginner call. When I got in my hand, see if that feels more comfortable, It might be easier, it might be harder as a lot smaller. Correct, where is it supposed to sit in my mouth open the roof of your mouth. I think that call is gonna be too Let's go back to the other. Okay, everyone small ones. You actually sounded good. I'll get it after people use them.

I usually to give him a comple minutes and I feel like everything died. But it's not warm anymore. We can survive that h on my tongue up in the roof of my mouth. Correct, you go pump that tone and drop that job? Am I still saying chuck? Basically, it will evolve saying once you understand it, once you get to feel of it. I never I've never, I want to point out, I've never taught anyone in my

life to even try. But I remember um that I think someone has explained the chuck thing because like, uh, you have to move your mouth, your mouth and or either drop your jaw. Yeah, And that's like a hard right because you're so focused on like holding that thing there. You got like your jaws moving around, and I thought that you weren't supposed to move your mouth. No, but

that's what it was hard. That was like a thing for me when I was first get was like I don't understand because I can't, like I can't move my mouth, so I'm holding the damn thing. Some people can't. It's a confusing guy. If you need to drop your jaw. This reason why I was saying, drop your jaw. That helps you get that second note. There's a note. I think it's hard because yeah, I feel like you have

to hold everything together. But then you're also how do you drop your jaw and keep your time every time you talk? Watch me, I'm talking to you right now, aren't I look at my job. It's not my jaw dropping right now, it definitely, but you're not holding this in your mouth. Who do I get another one? Try that quite little stack Christmas? Now, before you've asked, you just played the piano. I just handed you a trumpet. Well, I could have handed you a trombone or a set

of drums or whatever. What I'm telling you are different calls are made by all manufacturers different ways to produce a particular sound. And I compare it to music because that is a musical instrument that you have in your mouth. Try the yellow call well real quick. So they have different shapes. The tape on the exterior part is the same. I had you a basic double readed Nick call. I now handed you my favorite call. That is a three weed batwing with a point in zero zero three thousands

rubber on it. And I won't tell you the stretch. That's my secret. I to put the call in your mouth, just go, now go. Is that call sealed in the roof of your mouth? It looks to me like he's floating all over the place. To push it up to the roof of your mouth. Now, you probably need to cut that call down a little bit. Oh h yeah, like no air, No, oh, that goes Like I said, the air goes in between the tongue. There you go.

You don't want present, you don't want any error to ride over the top of the call has to be funneled between the tongue and the call. I was told that it shouldn't be in the roof of the mouth. No, it goes yea yeah. I mean I have seen people clamping in their teeth. I don't like that way, and they're limited and actually get it always out of it. I mean, think about the Indian seem they used to peach leaves, you know, like awesome, don't drop it quite as much. Hey, go and I do that quickly. Not

quite there? You go, go, go, go, go, go, give me fifting the loaves in a row, give me seventy seven. Okay, on your way. Think about this, if I told you look just right here, or if I open my mouth up a little bit more, Hi, try to talk on my hlide open. I'm not funneling the air over the collar. You can create a sound chamber with your mouth. So you are constantly opening your mouth up completely. You're letting

the air escape around the collar. Now that you've learned to sell it, learned to use your mouth, don't do anything else but a yep period until you can put that call in your mouth or either one of those calls in your mouth, and do exactly what you want to do. Don't start trying to learn how to clock, how to pray, how to fly and cackle, how to keep a bull crap. Build your base foundation. Just like a human being can use one word and say three totally different things. I can go okay, all right, I

can go Hi, all right, I can go hey. You can do that all with one sound, just like a human can do it all with one word. So just get comfortable to learn how to get the sound uh right each time. You can go to the internet. Don't think you gotta copy somebody, but they'll give you that rhythm. Hey, presty, can you be a favorite the hey hey? Things interesting to me? Can you give me the yelp equivalent of each hay? Okay, I'll do the hey hey. Then there's he and then there's uh. How do you don't go?

It's like a seductive It's like a seductive hey, like, Hey, that's seductive. That's been kind of gets hand to put body into it. That's a string. But Kenny walking down the beaches of Florida, let me hear with that one again. Oh my god, look at her? Huh or him? Are there more? Haz that's your three basis. That's three basic So if you if you really learn one thing, like if if Sam's gonna learn one thing, she should learn that the basic foundation of everything, like I told her.

Until until you can put pick up a collar, put a collar in your mouth, whatever it may be, Until you learn control over that collar, that that collar is doing exactly what you wanted to do. You do not need to move on and try to learn either a different collar and or either a different sound. You build upon. That's what you do because in reality, that basic hand yep is the most heard note I said, heard by

human beings. Note that his Actually, you don't hear all the crazy noises they're making when they walk through the woods. You don't hear the soft stuff. My favorite type of calling is what I call very relaxed. That little we we were one is one of the weirdest noises. Yeah, but I'm totally relaxed. There's no aggression, there's no predators here. I'm not excited. Uh, you're just a turkey. I'm a

turkey completely. I'm whispering sweeting nothings into his air. I might even occasionally, unlike, mix a little something in there with it, just to pump it up, to say, you're the sexiest thing ever sing in my life. Come on over here, I want to date you. I just had a quick question. So if you weren't able to do the diaphragm calls, like this is my second season turkey hunting, very new, what else would I do? Then you could

use a box call. You could use a pot call. Uh. Most people would tell you to go with a pot call because of this versatility, but for the ease of use, I still like a box call really well. I mean, if it's a decent box call, I know, I had to paint this picture and I'm gonna slide the lid over, then I won't want to just take one finger. If it's a it's a If it's a decent box called the box call, it is going to do the work for you. Okay. Most people take a bots call and

they grab it way too hard, Okay, ma'am. Yeah, I said, yeah, I never thought about that. I'm holding the box and just simply taking a finger and moving the lid. That's correct. And you've got a complete year. Now did you hear a difference in the sound, so you learn how to play? We'll call this a piano. Now watch the chicks to have and listen pass out over the sand. I just

got more excited and all it is. I put a little bit more pressure on it, and I completed it all the way over from the right side to the left side. Yeah, play the left play the left side. No, it doesn't matter. Pick the lead up? What MHM to do? The one finger there? You okay, don't pick it up. Don't pick up always look ship. Watch how farm going? You get no eggro on it? Man? Yeah, I'm not

coming all the way over here. Perfect perfect, but that'll d. I said, that's perfect, but that'll d. Don't go beyond that yet. If I was scouting for a turkey, what would that be like? The noise that I would make to try and find them, I would always start off with a locator call for Now, what that means is is I'd use an all who to crow called pleaded woodpecker. Uh, you get an actual dip out. Now, let's tell everybody no words. I'm going my limit, but I can still

do anything I need. Well, that's a bit, little one. My face mask has a hole cut in it right here, so you spit keeps probably sanitized around the edge. Well, now, whenever he gets in real close and they can't spit, I have been known let it run day. So let me ask you no turkey question. And I want to know, can you run a diaphragm with a dip in? That's that's incredible, that's incredible. I should have you on a talk show. It might even it might even sound better,

it might opens it up a little bit. But I do not want any of you kids out there to put this crap in your mind. No, we're telling all time. Maybe you might make the cover of that magazine someday de Deficient Auto. Probably if I might to cover that, I'd be probably without a lip. Um. I want I want to ask you turkey question, and it has to do with Turkey column. Do the do an alarm? Put? What? Like? What is it about? What is it about that? You know what I'm saying? Like, what is it about that sound?

That's so like, oh, you know when they have other sounds that are like it's just is it like it's isolated. It's sort of like the intensity and isolation of it. Basically, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because it's not that different

from a normal sound. But but you can turn that that if if I had a gobbler sixty yards in front of me and a hand came in from the left and all of a sudden she puts you know what I'm gonnaday like, turn it back into something turning into cutting because cutting in a put are so close together you can't hardly tell the difference. Yeah, that's what That's what That's what I was getting at. It's like it's funny that but it rings in your ear after

you hear the couple of times you're like like that's it. Yeah, yeah, But then someone's sitting there wouldn't know how disappointed you were unless you told them. Well, I always if something, if the situation happens, if it's a hen, because yeah, you're from the at ease, but I'll do it to a gobbler if he came then and oh you'll oh yeah, I'll start cutting on top of him, and I'm not liable to even gobble at him on top of his alarm.

Put it works about one out of every But in the other scenario you're talking about, you were basically she's gonna she comes in and bust you. It's like that's over with, But you gotta gobbler off in some other direction, and you're trying to put his into ease. But now I've turned into a very aggressive hand, even spooking and sometimes purposely to get her out of here so she

won't go to it got you? I mean if if, if, if, if you've already got your arm around or passed that with a are you married before you were married with a good looking girl, and there's another one over honor. Are you gonna leave her and go to her I got everything I want right here. You're married, Yes, I long, you've been married about twenty two years. Two. We don't keep up with something like that. Let me see your ring.

That's my dad's ring. Yeah, it's jeweled. Always get a little bit of diamonds, and I mean very small diamonds. But I just feel honored to wear. I do want to say this. And we started this while ago a little bit. In the old days, families did things together. We went to we went fishing, we went hunting. We had an old camp that had no running water that you pumped like that that you used a five gallon bucket to go to the bathroom and went out into

the woods, you know, and those were great times. My dad was a big hunter, big fisherman, setting trot lines or for flatheads. Um uh. He's one of the few people that I know that on the cove your eyes, I know of him killing three hen quail in his life. He would pick out the cocks and shoot the mails only. Um. We were big deer dog hunters back then. When I was a kid, my mama went with us. It was

a family outing. My thanksgivings, my Christmas is, uh, we're spending the woods with a pack of dogs and Uncle Louis, Aunt Duvi, Uncle Dutch, you know, down on my cousin. It was it was. It was a family thing. We did things together and it wasn't only blankety blank cellphones. Yeah, you feel that's going away. I feel like it's almost all gone away. I don't see it, do you, Yeah, I feel like I see a version of it. The

best thing that a young person. I don't think you're gonna you know, I don't think you're gonna the best you're gonna shoot for is a version of it. You're not. You're not gonna like wage a successful war against technology. Well, but the best thing in the world to do is from time to time, these kids need to put these cell phones down in their iPods and all that crap and go for a walk in the woods if nothing else, and see God's greatest creation, and that is the outdoors.

I agree whole hardly man and Mama and Daddy needs to go with them are people, which is what I am. I mean. My my greatest challenge this year is one for my thirteen year old granddaughter Caitlin to be able to harvest her first bird with me. Uh that's what you're gonna go do right now. As soon as I get back, I'll start hunting with her. I want her to get a bird bird, and I won't Carlin Tom Kelly to be able to harvest a bird. Do you

have any restrictions on what your granddaughter well harvest? You? Are you like y'all gotta get a big tom or as a Jake? Okay? Or how do you know there's are you against jake shooting? I will not purposely shoot at Jake. And in the study of Mississippi and Jake is illegal except for the youth. And Caitlyn like an extra bird nine kids. That seems like a little unreasonable man if he's got to cook them, as we say, if he's got to cook a bird on his chest,

uh killing. But we are hunting Houdini. We have a particular bird, she named him, that we went in on because of COVID seventeen times last year. Now you gotta realize on Oh you mean because you were stuck hunting the same spot close to home. Yes, so you just had to keep working the same bird who's like not having and sometimes he's on my land, sometimes he's on somebody else's land. No, here's a very good tip for

adults trying to get the youth into it. Uh, make sure that they are very comfortable and have maneuverability with that gun. I had her in a twenty gauge and it was a youth twenty gauge and even though I was toting in and out of wood, for didn't carry a gun. Uh. It was too heavy for her. She's small and petique and like I had a bird in gun ranging I think three different times. Uh. One time we had him at twenty one steps. I'm looking at uh, a true trophy bird with over an inch and a

half spurs. Because I'm looking at the spurs going, oh my god, you know, killing sweedie killing. Give me that gun, kid, Nah, she's earned, she's earned this bird. Uh. And she couldn't move the gun. I tried to make her move the gun. Of course you know what happened, see you by. So we had three opportunities. Uh. She did have a shot on Granddaddy's land, um, and it was a little far and I wouldn't with her. And here again trying to hold the gun on the side of the tree. She missed.

But that's okay, you know, what I mean. Everybody misses from time to time. It happens. Uh. But we had a good time, and she's earned his bird. But whoever comes up that is a legal bird killing shot him, she's earned him. She deserves a turkey. Do you feel that bird is still alive? Judini is still alive. You saw him over the winter. I've got pictures up. Yes, you one of those guys. I have two cameras, you

sweetheart tree. He always goes over to that tree. No comment comes through here every day, every day, ten fifty seven in front of my cameras are down right now, and he's not He's not there. He wasn't there whenever I left. Because Steve, you had a situation last year. I think right where you're like, well, where we hunting turkeys? Or where we hunting? What follows this fence? Because what we did was sitting next to a fence. Well, Uh, here's my ruse in turkey hunting. I hunt legally, marley

and ethically correct. I just can't help them. My morals get a little bit low during turkey season. I'm with you. That little devil gets on my shoulder and whenever he kicks my rear end um. I do not have time to tell you all the stories that eventually I will put in a book. But I am the I called myself the new breed. I've got a lot of the old school in me, and I've got a lot of the new school in me. Cutting run or sit in one spot, I can do it whatever the physically, I

can't do everything on one. When you say, like the that when your turkey hunting against the bast you mean and there's uh, there's a desire to to to to to do it and get the thing. How about three years on one bird? Years? You spent three years on one bird? One? You know what's funny is I don't look at him that way. I know, like you know, deer and stuff like that for sure, but yeah, I just don't see turkeys that way. You're the cut run person. Oh yeah, that's why I want you to Mississippi. You

might get that, but you might not. Meaning if let's say there's some bird, I'm like, oh, you know, I've tried to get him a bunch of times, and I see some other one over there. I but just very easily turned to that one. You know, I mean, I don't I'm not saying I won't, but I'm gonna come back to him, because that is the teacher. Sure, that is where you get your education from, not from me, not from the internet, but from the bird himself. He

will teach you how to hunt. Those are the kind that whenever you harvest them, you want to reach down, grab ahold of his head, open up his mouth and go and give him mouth to mouth, resuscitation in him. Come back to life, and let's do it again. Teach me some more. Those are the birds that I have more. I have respect for all wildlife, but those are the birds, you know, the hoodinis uh, the statue of Liberty bird,

historical bird. Yeah, and he's bird sneaky pete you know, yes, yes, yes, to the point where he went back trying to look for something else. Uh huh. But god, did you get a lesson? Where do you kill him or not? Didn't you get a lesson? Did you learn some stuff? Yeah, it's wonderful. You know, let's bring him back to life. If we couldn't do it all over again, teach me something. I never kill him. He'd go, he'd go get by, to go get by the tree and not do anything

done that. He just wants to get him. He's like, I don't care if I call him. It wasn't like he wanted to call him. He just wanted to get him without going The one thing that isn't gonna work is calling him, So that's gonna go sick. Without going through the whole story, I'll give you the finale. I cut off a piece of reed cane, go to breeze up underneath the water and get in a creek bed.

The first thing I did is I sucked up little stuff is inside a piece of red cane, and I had to stick my head up underneath the water and coughs so I wouldn't make too much noise. Then I starkled down because during squirrel season, I remembered there was a little point on the creek and he was on the sandbar storkle down to that little point. He's my head up and looked and he's way too far. I knew if I called to him what he would do. He would haul but the other way because he had

been hunting. So I hunted so hard and so had other people. So what I did is I took my fingers and I started slicking leaves up in the air. And clucking and purring and scratching in the rhythm that a hen does. So then it's usually whenever he looked towards the sound, he saw those leaves and thought there was a real hen just on the other side of blood. He walked out my gun barrels inch and a hals bird bird, and I killed him a lot more to that story. Do you want to carry decoys into the woods?

You're not afraid of decoys? No? Not? I mean afraid you don't. You don't disapprove of him, not hmm. Now if Preston goes by himself, which is a rarity now, uh, I normally have like tell chaser in my backpack. Uh. And that's about it. I like one on one, just me and him when he's made by myself. But since I hunt with so many different people to accomplish difference things, yes, I'm gonna carry here. It's you've got to carry one decoy and one decoy. Only take a hand when you

you know how you want to get your granddaughter a bird? Yes? What do you think she'll get out of it? Like? Why do you want to get your granddaughter a bird? Well? One? She has worked so hard too, she is studying Mother nature itself and appreciating everything that happens. Like I pointed out to her one morning, look at the spider with the dow still on it, going back and repairing his spider web. And then the sun comes through and all

those little droplets of water turns into prisons. She pointed out to her. You know, it's not all about the killing part. It's about seeing, studying, enjoying, and appreciating Mother nature. The possum that comes by, Watch the possum, Watch what he does. The skunk. Listen, sweetheart, to that blue jay that's over there. He's about seventy yards away from us right now, whispering why people, How do you know that he's not gobbling right now? I said, that blue jay

is telling me he's right there. It's where he's at, or the crow are in this part of country. Magpie, you know letting. You know. So she's studying, whether she realizes it or not, she's studying Mother Nature and appreciating everything that got Almighty made for us. Because that's the hunt. Is the compliments to you on your show. You don't show us a hunting show. You take us on a adventure, is what you do with your show, which is why I really enjoy it, because I'm going on an adventure.

I'm a part of that. Not only are we hunting, but we're learning about historical things that are there. Uh habits so different ePol and I feel like I'm there with you, And then I get a bonus at the end. I get to see you do what we should all do, which is enjoy or at least try our harvest and eat it. By the way, I want one of your books. I hear you've got some cookbooks I want. I want one four leaf from here. You a whole stack of them. Okay, I'll give you my address when I ain't giving it

out over there. That can we? Uh? What's your your go to turkey? Your recipe fried turkey breast? Uh? Take your breast out, cut it, uh, cross grain batteries, a little buttermilk. If you like a thicker batter on it, you can dip it in butter milk. If you like a thinner bat batter, you can dip it in egg milk and a little bit of water. I do spice that also. I'm a Tony Sashery's guy. I'm like a

Creo type, you know. Flavor to it in two ways, deep fried and just in it like fried chicken or what I find out a lot of people like, as I make a Southern gravy out of the same flower because it's already got spices in it that I spice the turkey up with. Take a turkey out, make a gravy, then take and put the turkey breast back in it, and just cover it in mushrooms and onions, kind of like a liver. And I don't eat liver or heart, uh,

kind of make it like a liver recipe. And then I have some biscuits and poured over biscuits and know, whatever else you want to go with it. Or I take it and cut it in the strips the same way. It's a soy sauce base. But I'll use soy sauce oil. When you think you've got enough pepper, put some more pepper into it. When you flee with that, add a little bit more pepper with oil, um, dry mustard, um,

a little bit of a red red wine vinegar. Beat all that up, sit it in it, let it soak, for it doesn't take along because that's a light meat about mints. Throw it on a grill and eat it when it's coming out to grill, standing around the grill. Those are my It's an important part of the recipe. Well, you don't need to cool cool down. It needs to be eating hot. That's my two favorite ways. Screw all this bacon stuff. I'm sayth on fride fried to grill it. Alright,

Preston Pittman, how do people find videos? Have you calling and whatnot? YouTube? Just google me. You'll you'll find okay, you'll find me in Adopper for the spit drum and gobble contest. Um. You'll see me not shaking David Letterman's hand, which I had already shook it before I went out there. Now, if I type in um, if I start typing your name in, you know what the auto Phil puts in? What gobbling? That's what I don't already have to finish your name and it already it already wants the auto

pil Preston Pittman gobbling. What's this trumpet situation? Trumpet different, dude, No, no know your trumpet call? Okay, trumpet call. It also wants the auto Phil Preston Pittman trumpet. A trumpet call is likewise to a wingbone. Okay, I'm looking at it right now. Okay, I got one somewhere, but anyway, Uh, it's the call that is not used that much anymore, and sometimes in Turkey call, and especially when you're hunting public land. It's that different Sam that he has not heard.

All beings in life. I'm not saying they're intelligent and reason things out, but all beings in life have the ability to pass traits down. And here's my analogy. I heard you say you went ice fishing yesterday. Should have called me? Uh? And it was not anyways, Okay, he was mostly trying to get my kids to stop putting their gloves and mittens down the ice hole. I've got four grand young guns within walking distance of me. I'm used to that. Uh. Have you ever been to a

pond or lake has never been fished? Yeah, okay, you could probably saw a bear hooky all. I could take this turn feels a little. I could probably take that right there and put a hook on it, catch fish, you agree? Okay, Now two years later and it's being fish more. I could take this same thing because now I've been fishing it for a couple of years. I've been throwing that's correct. Now I need to paint some red on there and maybe put a spinner in the

beginning of it. You agree with that. You just said that a dumb fish with the brain the size of p has the ability to learn, be educated, and pass traits down. My second analogy is the Deep South, whenever I first started bow hunting with my nineteen dollar and bought from auto Lett. It's no longer in business. Uh Recurve Autolet. That was the name of the store. They're never looked up. Back then we had the old timey where bear hugged the tree or what I used to

call the death trap the old baker stands. It's no longer in business. And then we copied them and made them and they're never looked up. Now, what happens Mama when she comes walking by more like a bird doll looking up the tree. That baby is learning from her, But now there is danger from above. So animals have the ability to pass trades down. Which is why I told you I can carry you to an easy place, but I would love and I will carry you to an easier place in Mississippi, but you'll tell me to

a hard spot too. I'd like for you to experience that at least one day, even in an easy place is a little bit tougher. But those birds have been hunted for so long, for so many years, they have gotten educated. It's what they have. And the Deep South it's a heritage now, the turkey hunt. And I like what it used to be, nothing even close. The beauty of my career is I've got to see this from basically the ground floor and turned into what it's turned

into now. Used to you made a turkey call. Hell, you used an aluminum can when d friends first started coming out and you put tape on them. They might last the whole hunt. It might not, you know what I mean. The book that I gave you Ran Jolly's book. Uh, you'll learn like what his daddy used to used to carry parts with him to repair his call during a hunt. That's real. I couldn't get through the hunt. Yeah, that's real. President is talking about a book on Memories of Spring

by Ryan Jolly, which he gifted to me. Well, Ryan sent that to you. Oh sorry, Roy gives me all right, man, thank you, thank you very much for what you do. And they, as the scene says on here, keep doing what you're doing. You're doing good for me, You're doing for every good for everyone in this sport and in this industry. You are passing it on and you are bringing people into it who have never hunted, and that's a beautiful thing. Stave. Please keep in. I appreciate you

saying that, and I appreciate the game call gift. You're very welcome, all right. I still want to carry you hunting incision though. Oh I want to go done. I want to be like but carried. I ain't gonna touch you. I'll put you in my day side by side. No, I'll come next spring. Okay, done, and then next June for the hand grab it. That's gonna be the fun part. I'll do it done. I'm gonna put my calendar now. Yes, you can come to a wrong he's got the scar

h that's all right. I'm the wimp anyway. I go out with a long sleeve shirt and I can't use the word that they use on me or what they call me. I'll tell you when we're off air, but I'm liable to have I'll have gloves on. You didn't have any gloves, dummy. They broke you in the rock. Some well, gloves cow, but come up leather gloves. Well, we will take care of both of us, y'all. You can come to I don't care. Thank you seriously. You know who will be the best one of those two females.

Females will listen to you. They don't have the echo that males. How they will. They will take instruction. I much rather teach a female than I would have mailed. I was a fishing guide for a decade and you're very true there They listened to you. So uh may I tell a quick story? Please? I hope not under the adults mind this, but this is this is my mission statement besides passing it out. You know Number one, Please kids staying in Scoog get the best education that

you can possibly get. You see, have problems, find someone that can help you fix those problems. Like I did not get respect everybody that is out there, no matter what they do. I know. I'm gonna use a doctor as an analogy. Everybody wants to be that doctor. But you know what, he or she that doctor cannot really do their job this day in time without a nurses practitioner.

You know what, that nurses practitioner cannot do his or her job without probably an R E N. None of those people can do their job if there is not a secretary. They're keeping them straight. And guess what, there's also a janitor. This got to clean, to commode, sterilize the equipment, uh, empty the garbage, whatever it may be. Respect them all. Who has the most important job, even that lonely little janitor that nobody looks at, is make it possible for everyone to be able to do their job.

They carry as much importance as they can. As my daddy used to tell me, He says, son, I don't care if you're a ditch digger, but by God, you better be the best ditch digger that there is out there. Everybody serves a function, everybody serves a purpose. Everybody who does a good job deserves respect. And I'll end it with this. There is a God in heaven and Jesus Christ is my Lord's savior. Amen. Preston Pittman, Thank you very much, Thank you. Thanks Preston,