Ep. 250: Doin' it Your Own Way with Whiskey Myers

were born with Coddy Cannon? Yes, dude, that's a great, great name for a musician. Man, you're bound to be a rock star with name like that. Yeah, if you were a rock star named Steve Ronell, that's it ain't gonna work. Cody Cannon's got of a rock star. Well, I'm switching to Steve Fever. There you go, and I'm going into the music business hard. Have a little Copenhagen huh. Yeah. Always it's my vice, the only vices I have left.

I don't think I can give it up. That's your flavor. Yeah, Spencers, used to you look like a guy that used to dip? Now really a couple of times, uh, while I was fishing in like a hundred degree heat when I was in high That makes you want to have a uh maybe not want to have one every again. I was wondering how long you would get without addressing his dip in his mouth. I don't want to think some primary thing I'm interested in life, and I didn't think it'd

be the first minute. That was quick. Oh, the first thing out of my mouth. I saw that cope come out. I got a little dip. Though, this is like church size dip. Show me your pinch size there if you're on mine, like I'm saying, not at church. I'm saying, like Saturday night, half drunk, half drunk, that much a whole time, the opper and the lower. Did you ever fill in the upper end lower lip? Nor that ignorant that's just pushing. Yeah, that's just that's just silly, Chris,

And to do yourself. I'm Chris Alexander. I'm the tour manager for Whiskey Myers. You too, I do not. I used to quit. Yeah, was it difficult to quit? No? I did it when I played baseball when I was in school, and that was when I got done stopped. Someone someone tell us the other day that they used to actually mix um gum and chew when they played baseball. The Terry Francona that was called who was telling me this too? He said it would make such a mess. Oh,

Kurt Roscoe, what is that? Like? You have great bubble gum on one side and you have I don't know if it's big league, were like big league chew a lot with your kids. Man, she had like a pouchy

shredded gum. He was saying that when he played baseball, they would mix their chew and they're gumb and he said, when you were outstanding there for a game doing that, it would generate so much spit you would actually have a stained circle around you, but you'd build up a big cheo stain area because it would just generate an enormous amount of saliva. I don't know if that's a universal name, but we refer to that as a Terry Francona. Is that a famous athlete? Uh, he's a famous baseball manager,

So that's a real thing. Crazy, Yeah, Yeah, I don't think I can do that. We had a musician in here one time. He was chewing while we talked to him, just like yourself, and uh, we're talking about a full stadium, which it was explained to us is when you have the upper and lower deck, and he said, that's not what that's called. It's called a hard nut, which I have no idea. What the hell, Yeah, I don't know about that. I've I've never I've never tried it. I

guess I'm gonna have to try. Maybe i'm missing out. We'll watch. Last night, Callahand was over and we were making some mere gazz, which is you probably you're international enough that when i'm top about it's delicious. Did you have you had Sumac right, not poison? Sumac didn't in there? You didn't, Harrissa sauce roasted red peppers. You put in lamb casings, which is the worst thing on the planet. To work with it, just to know they're just like,

it's just they're thin. But they used to make. They used to make, not even used to think you can still get them, like if you've got a latex allergy. They make condoms out of lamb casing. Huh. I wonder how it looks. It's like such a thing as a natural condom. Ever, wonder how effective or not that is. I don't know. It's bad for the lamb, so different uses of the animal. Oh, speaking of which, Man, I haven't talked about this. I have a picture of this.

I can't tell if I want to put it on Instagram because it won't it won't perform well and it will blow my metrics. But we just found uh when I was with my kids haunt antelope. We found a coyote dropping and in the dropping was a lamb cast It was a castration band. Huh. Yeah, you know what, uh for your listeners at home. One of the ways they cast rate you can castrate stuff is you just take a Remember this kid I grew up by, Paul Anderson was his name. They did it to their dog

with rubber bands. M h. I haven't talked to that dude in a while. He'd be hard to look up on the internet. To you, because I got a feeling there's a thousand Paul Anderson's but um, he put rubber bands around his dogs scroll because they knew that they do it in the livestock business. This castration band looks like the size of a wedding ring and it's green rubber, and they'll just snay get around the lambs. They'll snake

it around his little scroll and it strangles it. And somehow he got tangled up with a kyo and the kyo ate the castration band or whatever, or he just ate a castration brand, which is hard to picture. I think you're wrong. I think your audience would like that. Are you a bandman or a blade man? So good? My father in law is, yeah, we we we do both. We cut him in bandom. Oh please tell me more. I mean, can you walk us through it? What do you guys work with cattle or sheep? Cattle? Okay, walk

us through the process. I mean we just we process him and when when when he buys him, we we either band him or cut him. I really don't know why we do one or the other. To tell you the truth, I just kind of do what what he tells me too, so but I'm in great detail. You make an incision and snake them out. You still band him. You there's a tool and you reach down and you put it around the testicles, and then you take a a sharp knife or you know, a scow pool is

what we use, and you just cut. You make two incisions and they just fall off, you know. With Also, the band works in conjunction with an incision right over what period of time. I don't know how long it takes him. Uh, probably you know, days, maybe a week, and they fall off and it's supposed to be better for him. I don't So what's your read now, because

you're so educated on this. Let's say you're winding around with your kids and you find a coyote ship at this time of year, but it's old, like I don't know, hole, it was a dry area, so wouldn't rock you find a kyote dropping the contains a castration band. That would be a little larger band in your head. But in your head would you be like, oh, he ate a castration band, or would you be like he ate a lamb and thereby got the castration band? I would get

a jaked nut. Well does the castration band fall off eventually? With with the screw them? What's Jake and the nut mean? I just say Jake said maybe he just hated nuts, not to lamb. Althought. I said he jaked a nut, which I don't know what that. But I'm gonna think of something. I'm gonna yeah, another positioning of the chew in the now. Yeah, I'm gonna think of like I'm gonna do some kind of inventive thing and call it jake in a nut and just act like it's always

been called that. Um so you feel that the band? Okay, So when you put the band on, and I know, lamb and show me with your fingers how big a castration band is for cattle. I mean it goes down when you when you first put it on, it's probably that long, and you hook it and then whenever you hook it around it probably ends up. You know that

big and honest. So you could feasibly pass your fists through the castration band, I would say, so, yes, okay, yeah, because, like I said, this one was like a wedding ring. But here's the thing I got so curious about it. First I showed it to some livestock people, my body Dug in particular, and he confirmed that's a castration band. And then he sent me a link where I could buy that castration band. I could get a haunted um for a couple of bucks if I was in the mood. Um,

they stick you on the tool. Yeah, it's like you buy the tool and get the bands for free. Basically, Um, so you feel that one he's wearing the castration band like you you put the band on to apply pressure, make decisions from to drop out. Does that band then fall away? It should yes, Okay, So it could be on the ground and the code ate it, you know, Yeah, how do you know that? Like was their lamb hair there? Like, how do you know what's from a lamb? Because that's

the kind of castration band is. So my wife grew up on a farm and she had a cat wander into the yard one time and they were checking out the cat, looking at it over. They've never seen it before, and it had a castration band on it. And so I don't think they're like just exclusive to one quitter, especially for us. You don't think You don't think that a farmer through that castration band he got into his lamb cast creation band bin and threw it on a cat.

I'm okay. I cannot rule out, especially like what if it was on a human? What if what if someone likes the way it feels like out in ranch country? Do I think it was a house cat? No? I don't know. It's a good idea though. I've talked about this for but I don't care. I'll talk about it again. We had a cat named Fig. It's kind of long story. My dad tamed a wild house cat that we named Fig. He tamed it with fish heads because it would come around in the winter and he would just leave out

bluegill and perch heads for it, cleaning fish. And he took a great liking to this cat, and he took the cat. There was a guy named Nels, Nell's carlson. Nell's carlson think he's a hog farmer. My old man took Fig over to Nell's house, two so nils because he's castrated hundreds of pigs. My old man takes the

cat over there, and I went with him. My brothers went with him, and they put that cat in a gunny sack, snipped a hole in the gunny sack and snaked his little scroll out that hole, and that cat fought him off. They got a nick in the cat. The cat fought him off so viciously that they just said never mind. The cat heeled back up and lived its entire life intact. Fought off a hog farmer, and I remember getting so upset I went into the house

because the cat was just making a ruckus. Yeah. Whenever, to the fish hatchery, we used castration bands and tools no, almost almost. When we would ship fish out, say you had like fry sized perch, which would be the size of your finger, would put them in these contractor bags were probably like thirteen gallon bags go water, fish, oxygen, and then to seal it up to make sure none of those things escaped, we would use a castration band with the tool and slide it over the garbage bag

or to get a good seal on the garbage. That's how we would close it. So we use them, maybe he ate a sack of fish, maybe hundreds of times a year. We'd use that. Hu multipurpose the job, use the trucks where you just pump them into the lake or anything like. Yeah, we we would do that if we had bigger fish. But this this would be an example where we were shipping it across the country to somebody else, and these would just go in FedEx trucks,

just like all the crappy get from Amazon. Right next to him, Could you use castration bands to do those fancy silicone wedding rings you guys do? No, it's not like that, because it's um. I don't wear a wedding ring at all anymore. I mean, my wife both quit. Nothing about the status of our marriage. Just like I don't know ten years, eleven years, sto over right now.

I lost mine. It's it's in an antelope. It's probably in the sky gut because I lost it gutting an antelope and wyoming last year and just haven't gotten around to getting a new one. No women have talked to me.

Your hit on me. I'm sorry. Well, that's the thing that people would say, like you're supposed to you know, you wear a wedding ring to say like that, you like I have like achieved an age where Um, it's just not like I don't need to have like an outward symbol demonstrating that I'm I just smell kind of like I just looked taken ring to help people understand, I just look like just played out. Yeah, I don't need to ring anymore. Um, a couple of things. We've

got cover. One last thing. Do you guys know the Southern writer he's he died? Did you know that the writer Larry Brown? Do you ever hear Larry Brown? Larry down? I'm not sure what what what? What's his father and son? Um look up Larry when you guys wound up looking up Larry Brown's. He had some stuff optioned by the Coen Brothers and stuff. You wrote a book called fire Father and Son. Some of the stuff has been made into movies. He was a good dude man. Um. He

was some Oxford, Mississippi. He was a firefighter, and you know when you're a firefighter, you have all that time between calls. So he wrote facing the music, Dirty Work, Big Bad Love, Joe on fire Father and Son, Faye Billy Ray's Farm, Rabbit Factory, Miracle Catfish, That's what I'm fixing to talk about, and tiny love. Um he was. He worked at a firebarn and would write. When all the other guys are like working out and barbecue and stuff, he would like go upstairs and write. He wrote seven

novels before he had one published. He wrote a novel. One of his first novels he wrote was about a man eating bear and Yellowstone Park, and he'd never seen a bear, never been to Yellowstone Park, and eventually got it together, like I should write about it, dude, I should write about like the dudes that I know here in Mississippi and the dudes I grew up around, and instead of writing about bears and parks, and whatnot. He started just writing about the dudes he grew up around

and found like tremendous success. He was telling me the story someone mentioned that you mentioned dumping fish out of the truck. He was telling me one time about they would have these catfish where they'd raise catfish and they'd

have the broodstock or like the big old calfish. It would produce the um to produce all the eggs now, and then they'd have to like let him go, and people do always let him go secretly, and he had somehow gotten a line on where they were letting these old giants go, you know, it would go on fish for him, and then that kind of made its way into Ah, it made a way into his novel that

he wrote. A couple of things touch off on. You should have brought your guitar, because you know why, we could have You could have written a diddy yeah to introduce because we had a we wrote it. We had a song written to introduce when Janice, who's not here right now, he's out on assignment. Um a ditty to introduce when Janice does. Some reporting for us would have have to have been about castration bands and stuff. No,

you could have done us. You could have done it diddy introducing Spencer's this the diddy that just playing it. But the diddy that introduces Yanni's thing is like a little ditty. Then it goes Yanni's book report, and you could make a ditty that introduces when Spencer explains something a show segment like Spencer's Corner Ahead, Spencer, start with

the oh you made one up? How's it go? I just said, uh, start with the lock shooting deal, then we'll get into the other stuff because you were telling me about that. Oh, this was just like right sent an hour from where we're sitting, you know, distance wise to to drive there, and it's just from last weekend,

which is opener um. But there was a b m A which is private land that is least by the state for public hunting opportunity um and there were is reported one hundred hunters flock shooting at a group of elk, which is it's hard to fathom. Can I give a little context of how I wasn't there? And I have read the article, but for instance, we had a very early snowstorm that we had a snowstorm that hit before firearms season opened, and it caused a lot of things

that would happen later to happen early. I I the day before that season opened, um was aware of a herd of two fifty turned up down in the hayfield. They don't normally or an alfalf feel they don't normally turn open. I wonder if it wasn't that a bunch of elt we're filling into some area that happened to be a black management b m A. And words started to spread and people are like, you know where there's

a bunch of them, So tell us more. Yeah. When and with that snowstorm, we had like two or three days of record lows for most of the state, specifically, I know Bozeman had record those. So I would imagine, Uh, you're correct, and that these elks showed up in a place they normally wouldn't. We had a record high and a record low within like a couple of weeks of each other. When it was the record high. Wasn't there a record high around that day that the fire blew up?

You're probably right. I think it was a record high for that like the day that right around the day the fire blew up, there was a record high, but a record high just means like that day, Yeah, like it was the hottest that day. Ever, that seems pretty par from Montana, and I follow this uh National Weather Service count that always shows the high in the low each day in Montana, and it's pretty awesome because there's

like a seventy degree difference everything. Yeah, between like hard and Montana, which is out east and then west Yellowstone. West Yellowstone is like ninetent at the time, the coldest place in the state. The place. Yeah, So with these elk, what hundred hunters flock shooting a group of elk, fifty of the elk die, Um, it had to be like a pretty crazy scene, and there was an expectation that

it's like it's like a cliff drive. Yeah. I think there was an expectation that with all this uh shooting going on and wounded elk and what have you, that there was just gonna be a whole bunch of tickets written. Out of the whole thing. There were only five tickets written. I think it was uh fifty the elk were killed, and the citations were fairly minor. Greg Lemon said, we didn't write as many tickets as you'd think. Hunters were

fortunate that not more elk were injured. But he went on to say unethical hunting, even it strictly speaking legal, makes all hunters look bad. It kind of gives the hunting community as a whole black guy. So he was he was saying, despite their only being a handful of tickets, this was not a good deal. It was not on the up and up, this flock shooting of elk, and they said that they were certainly wounded elk that got away. There's just like not much as far as citations like

me written at this time. I've seen that on the news. Um was it an organized effort? But that's where that was my first thought, as how did they get a hundred people? I talked to a warden once that worked a case where it was where these guys got onto a herd and we're texting, which is illegal. You can't

use two way electronic communications to coordinate. So if someone was saying like hey, i'll go around this way, you go around that way over text or whatever, illegal, But then yet start seizing phone records and I don't know, there's a couple of b amazed in that area that I would have in mind, like where this took place, and there's like major roads that kind of run through them.

I would imagine that this happened were like a couple of guys started shooting, the elk running and just like they happened to pass by more and more people as they went. I doubt that it was like one hundred people within a you know, a couple of minutes span shooting. It's probably was drawn out throughout the morning. Well, and I mean, I hate to say it, but the same longer, ladies and gentlemen, this is this is far more common than than we might like to think. I saw a

very similar thing happened quite a few years ago. Um, and I think kind of what happens is like these these elk get pushed out onto their winter range and then everybody sees them, and everybody's got the same idea. Oh, I've got the I've got the secret. I know where

they're at. And that that's exactly what happened. We knew where a herd was, we knew where they were going up into the foothills, and we hiked in up above in the in the dark, and then as it was getting light, you know, we're seeing all these elk down in the bottom of this valley. But then there's two hunters over, there's two hunters over, there's another guy coming up behind them. They're just We're like, oh, well, this wasn't a big secret. We everybody else figured this out too,

and they didn't really come close to us. But as first light came in, people were just ripping at these things, like right into the herd. There's probably not seventy five elk, I think twelve hunters and we probably heard fifty shots in the first hour. And there's there's a rag horn bowl that got hit in the back legs. It was dragging its back legs across the field for half a mile and this guy is just like ripping shots at eight hundred yards and miss miss miss miss. It was.

It was awful, man, it was the It was the worst thing I've ever seen in the field. And we just like we got out of there, mostly because like people were shooting our direction, We're trying to get out, and I mean, if I don't like hunting around other hunters in general, but like it was, it was appalling.

You gotta one of the things you gotta think about when that happens is for each individual just being present, you can't like condemn someone for being present because like you said, they like noticed a good play for opening morning, and so what are they supposed to like back out

because other people notice the same thing. But then I guess the part that you're the actual part would be like if you're shooting into a ball and when they get scared, they start to ball up when you're shooting into a ball of something, I mean, that's then that becomes the questionable thing. But just the fact that like a bunch of people showed up and you were there too,

Like you can't like damn someone for that. Yeah, And this area where I was in is is is like in the Montana hunting culture is known for this near Anaconda. People call him Anna Commandos, that that guy that guys will like group hunt these these elk herds on their

on their winter range. So I think a lot of this stuff happens every year, maybe not on this scale, but I mean cal just sent me a story out of Washington where they like finally caught these guys who would chase elk with chase elk with trucks and in a very coordinated fashion. My buddy, my late friend Eric Current was hunting the bridges one time, and he was looking down and watched on an opening day, watched guys come out with trucks and corral and heard elk and

kill a bunch of them. And he wouldn't call, he wouldn't report it. Yeah, apparently apparently locals knew knew about this, knew about these guys for years and years. Um, But there are some kind of prominent ranchers in the group, and it was on private ground. But apparently it was some some out of towners who reported it who didn't have like the the local repercussions. But I got in touch with the word and about that, I'm thinking about

running down that story writing it for the site. Pretty interesting, Spencer, You ought to, Um, do you mind calling and getting a hold of that that landowner and asking if he was asking if he was like great, because a lot of guys don't want elk keating their crops. She's like, yeah, man, good, that's not a big area. It's probably easy to track down. Like, I would love to hear his perspective on it. Yeah.

He might be like I got no problem with it, or he might be like, dude, I'm not doing this anymore. My brother is involved in a He's involved in the effort and runs this effort to uh thank to to to like appreciation days for people ranchers who enroll in black management. So he's found that the thing people need it's expensive and and like much appreciator calf shelters. So he puts his efforts into the raising money to buy

cap or whatever else people need. But in certain areas it's like an expensive thing that people really want or much appreciated. He tries to buy cat. He raises money to buy calf shelters to give to ranchers who enroll in black management, and then they throw a party for people to come out, and they try to entertain them, feed them and give them door prizes and gifts in order to help encourage that guy might need a little

morale boost. Well yeah, and that's guys might need a couple of calf shehild because that's a great thing to do. Man and and and the block. The number of acres enrolled in block management has been declining in recent years, and I know that hunter behavior is one of the leading reasons that people will pull land out of that program.

So anything hunters can do to to thank folks who let them on their property is huge and I always always try to try to send a thanks, give some meat or whatever you can do, because it's it's you know, it's it's a huge benefit to the to the public. Steve. I thought in the past, you've predicted how you will someday die. Was it heart disease that you said that you your prediction was, well, yeah, because the number one killer of people in my age was opioid overdose. You

know maybe that So I'm gonna segue now. I'm segueing now into the heart disease there, like because people you know, like making sausage. Last night we were answering like common sausage questions. It was like, what about nitrates and nitrates something like, dude, put a little pink salt into some corned elk. I just like, that's not like when I die. They're not the doctor, the medical Examiner's not gonna be like was he putting pink salt in his corn dollar.

It's just not gonna be what happens. There's a bonus bit of reporting in this great false Tribune article. This is related to the elk. Yeah, yeah, that they snuck into the last paragraph heart attack author, I have many questions about it, says Meager County under Sheriff Jeremy WESTR. Mar. It's pronounced mar. You say that Mark I butchered that. Then little Montana history Thomas Mary that I was calling it meager for you, you need to look into into into Thomas Mar. He Uh he was one of the

man like first politicians in Montana. But his death was really like mysterious. He got like thrown off a paddle boat in the Missouri Uh like I no, like, uh what do he called? He wasn't doing stand up paddle board? No, you know, like the paddle paddle barges that they take. Is that the calling the right thing? Paddle boat? But yeah, stand up pad paddle boat? Yeah yeah, But he's fascinating character. There's a bar in Missoula called the Thomas Mar Bar. Yeah.

So that's yeah. M e A g h e er no idea big for two years and then you fixed your system. Who corrected you when you lived in that county? No no, no, no, no, no, my I'm on I'm on Yellowstone Street in town and one black over. You weren't mispronouncing that Meager Street or or mar Stream, So whenever I would drive by, there's probably a time I was like, you know, with a with a friend in the car who knew better saying, oh yeah, you just that. Oh there's Meager Street and you go down there, like,

what do you mean Meager? Look at the sign M E A G h R And they're like her in Sweetheart, that's just not right. Let me let me let me hit you real quick with his his history, because it's way crazier than I was suggesting. Um. He was an Irish nationalist leader of Young Irelanders. Um in a rebellion in eight convicted of sedition and sent to Tasmania. And then he escaped Tasmania and got to the United States.

You know what this guy like the pull of cord. Yeah, yeah, and uh then joined in the American Civil War, rose to the rank of brigadier general. You know what that means, brigadier general. No, that's what Custer was. It means that all the generals are getting killed off and you and you gotta make like temporary general appointments. Ah, And I wasn't tracking. Yeah, if I'm reading, I'm reading about he was appointed two as the Secretary of State of Montana

of Montana Territory and eventually became the territorial governor. But he uh yeah it was. He drowned in eighteen sixty seven after falling from a steamboat and Fort Benton. The cause of his death is disputed by historians, with various hypotheses including weakness from dysenterry, intoxication, suicide, or murder m HM. Timothy Egan wrote and wrote a wrote a book about him. Really ye before he started hit it big damn the drinking Man's bio man um. That's great. So the mar

County undership. So you're talking about the article that he got served below this article or they worked in the art. They just work it into the end. I mean it's it's like not really relevant, but it's like interesting. And this is what I have more questions about than the flock shooting. Elk Mark County under Sheriff Jeremy West said one of the hunters in the group later died from a heart complication that was unrelated to the incident. The

person's name was not immediately released. That had to add like chaos on chaos out there. Where do they threw it in though it wasn't related? Are you sure, But I imagine like somebody who was maybe also in that area but like didn't wasn't aware of what was going on. Maybe like so an ambulance or an airlifted or like a helicopter. They're clarifying for people, and maybe I assume so because that had to like add questions to this

whole event. And then they're like, oh, someone got shot. Yeah, you gotta make some calls, man, you gotta do some investigative journalism. But now now I'm hung up on Thomas Marr. That into your sure that that trumps the rest of this. I think, all right, we gott let's move on quick. So what we got get to get to our guests. We've got two things we got covered. So just recently we had an episode, what was that episode called Oh

good good people for a good Country. We talked about how utahns Is that what you would say, are Utah is a trial that the team, Yeah, that's what Utah is named after. It though, is that trap? But I'm gonna be completely wrong. I believe it is Utahn's um at at the election have a ballot measure, and it's whether or not to encode to codify the right to

hunting fish in Utah. And we were talking about when we were covering this piece of news with the guests from Utah, who's who who introduced this bill for the state? We're talking about where does this Where do the things find their teeth? Like, let's say a state has a state right to hunting fish. They have a constitutional right to hunting fish, Like what does that mean? Like where does the rubber meet the road on that? Just so happens that, Um, we now have the first lawsuit in

this state. This is you know, this is local news for us, but national news for everybody else. I think it's fair to say because for the first time someone's doing a suit suing the state, the governor, fishing Game, various people using the right to hunt and fish as their argument. What they're doing is there's a conservation group. What's the name of that group? Idin't heard of them.

I kind of like them though. Outdoor Heritage Coalition, the Outdoor Heritage Coalition is suing the state governor and Fishing Game Office and others under the right to hunting fish thing. They're suing the state for putting for putting what they regard as being too conservative of a quota around the wolf harvest. It's infringing on the right to hunt fish

because wolves are decimating elk numbers in these areas. So they're saying, by you putting an unnecessary cap on the killing of overpopulated wolves, you are infringing on our right to hunting fish because you're allowing all of our game to get decimated, which is sly buying it. Are they even reaching quotas currently for wolves? I mean, I felt like that was like I felt like the bottleneck for wolf reduction was hunter effort because they're hard as hell

to kill. Yeah, it was easy for a couple of minutes, then it got hard. Yeah, they got smart and they have huge, uge territories and they're just slide bastards. You rarely see them just telling you what to do a follow up report. That's interesting, But I bring it up only because, um, we're talking about when does it When does the when does like, if you have the right to hunt fish, when does that actually even become a like it's like, Okay, that's all good and fine, but

where is it exercised? And so this is an example of someone trying to exercise it. Uh, Sam, just pull up a little map showing um, a map shows which states have a constitutional right to hunt fish. If you're into conspiracy theories, I think you should explore the fact. I would explore the fact that the states when you look at a US map were the states that have Do you like how they put it in red? Yeah? What how do they use for when you don't gray? No?

What's California? That's for legislation on constitutional right to hunting fish is pending? Oh? I like it that they put red as you have the right to hunt fish, get for it is the only blue one. There's also a Rhode Island, but that so it's it's California. Is good because it's pending, but they'll never anyhow. This is three years old, so that was probably If you're in a conspiracy theories though, you might want to look at this map because the states that have a right to hunting

fish form a circle. Let me see Sam with a hole in the middle. Huh. I think there's something to be delved into there that's not accidental. What are the two gray ones r out there in the middle. Yeah, that's what he's talking about. That's that's South Dakota, Iowa Missouri and Illinois. So good, lefty anti Illinois don't have

the right to hunt? Those are big Well, the constitutional right, you know that there's there's the right to hunt and fish in all of these states, but some some states have have chosen to say that it's like, you know, it's a god given right that you can that you can hunt and fish. Which yeah, I'm I've always been interested to know, like where the rubber meets the road.

They're like, like, how you use it? Yeah, So I mean, if if that were to pass in California, like the only thing that comes to mind is how California, you know, banned for trapping even with that, Well here's here. This sound constitutional even in a hard hit and hunting in fishing state like Utah. Um. He they didn't put trapping on there because they don't want to muddy the waters and lose popularity. But he said, it's actually it's there's

an implication there. It's like implied the cover trapping and should be used. But if you put trapping on there to lose support, that's interesting. That's where you got to use it to because because this says that Montana has a constitutional right to hunting fish which I did not know, but I mean it makes sense. But yeah, there's that legislation introduced like every time to ban trapping on public land. So I wonder where that where that falls because they're

too chicken to put trapping on there. Dude, I'm gonna once I get done fighting hunters or laws and get the whole everything reduced to just the hunter's orange hat is all you need. I'm gonna take up right to trap. I'm with you. Uh, what else do we want to

talk about? That? Not much to say about that. Um, if you're in Colorado and you were one of the what I'm predicting to be you were one of the minority of people who voted against making the state draw up a wolf reintroduction plan, I applaud you because they're arriving on their own. They're there now anyway. That's the path to take. That's the path to take. So thank you, even though I'm sure you lost. Uh, one last thing, guys,

are you okay? I'm good? One last thing? Okay, hit it, Spencer, Oh wait, we need the introe thing, the lasting I don't remember. Oh, speaking of suing people, how's that for a segue? I get I sent you the article to do a little report on it. Oh, I I don't have anything to re point. You're gonna be able to

produce a better report than I. Okay. One of the things, um right now, I'm extremely uh disheartened with the Trump administration over their decision to lift roadless rules in Tongas and open up like half of Tongas National Forest to

logging and road building. That's a pisser. But what I have been applauding them for is opening up a bunch of US wildlife refuges where appropriate, opening up hunting and fishing on a bunch of US wildlife refuges and fish hatchers and stuff, so creating more acreage for Americans to

hunt and fish. The Center for Biological Diversity is suing them so that they can't trying to stop that from happening under the Endangered Species Act, which I'm interested to see that complaint because they didn't open it up to hunting endangered species. That's the thing I think that these people haven't read the I think that the Center for Biological Diversity hasn't read up on what it is. I had to like, Oh, they're gonna start hunting endangered species.

They can't do that. It's like, no, they're not gonna start hunting dangered species. They're allowed to hunt the normal ship that everybody gets to hunt per state rules on refuges where it makes sense, which you can already do in a bunch of them. Anyway, it opens up an additional three thousand six square miles. You can hunt shiploads of refuge land already. It's opening up some additional ones. And they assume as though this is one of those

groups that like, there are a lot of things. One of the things they are is an anti hunting organization. Every you will never I challenge a listener to send me a thing where the Center for Biological Diversity hasn't taken a knee jerk reaction against hunting. No, that's what they do. But they're like when I tell friends, oh, it's like ANNI hunting group. Oh no, they're not, like, Okay,

there they are. It's not there like mission. But they emerge as a nitpicky, like a very nitpicky like yeah, any issues, like let me guess, let me guess, let me guess. They're gonna be uh. Their stands will be antagonistic to the interests of hunters and fishermen. Maybe I'm wrong. Is there any national fish hatchery that you can hunt on? Well, there's not that I've ever done. But I know there's some fish hatcheries that have some sizeable holdings, and it

wouldn't be in there if it wasn't. I haven't looked at I haven't looked at the fish hatchery component. Yeah, there's probably some fish hatchery that's got a couple of thousand akers. One man, there's some giant ones in Washington that I wouldn't be wouldn't be at all surprised to know that hunting was allowed and totally would fit in with the management now fishing the fish hatchery. That could be good well in Washington, in Washington, That's the whole point.

I got another one. You're always people are always piled up right around the hatchery hole. We used to call it the There's one particular one we called the crack pipe because there's just this one cast that you wanted to make because all these steel head would pull in right below the outflow of the hatchery because they get that, they get that sent you know that they come back to and you can you had if you could make this one tricky cast up into into the concrete outflow

of the hatchery. You would catch your steel head nearly every time. Yeah, I'm probably really excited about it. Yeah. Yeah, So a bit more on this than we're gonna wrap this up. So the in this country we have in the in the US of A, we have five d and fifty wildlife refuges. Um this this move this additional three thousand, six hundred square miles. We'll bump it up to where you can now hunt on four thirty refuges fourty of the five fifty, you can fish on three

hundred sixty of the five fifty. Has implications for people in thirty seven states. I think it's a common misconception in in then in the public sphere that wildlife refugees exclude hunting. I mean, and and honestly, the the naming isn't isn't that great? You know, it seems like a ref refuge where animals can go flee from US horrible

hunters or something where they flee from development. Yeah. Absolutely, And and I've I've corrected people on this tons of times that like this is this is a habitat refuge, this is this is undeveloped land. This is, but it's it's it's meant for the it's meant for people's enjoyment. And there are I mean, how like half of Alaska's National wildlife refuges. I mean not half, but like giant, giant portions, and all of it's wide open to hunting. So I think I think there's I think there's a

broad misunderstanding that we could correct. Uh, you know, in the in the public, that that hunting is a is an important management tool on our national wildlife refuge system. You know where I bet I'll be allied with the Center for Biological Diversity. I bet you I could guarant damn t they're annoyed about the Tongas ruling. I'm certain they are. So maybe me, maybe we can find a

little friendship and hug over that. Here's a question for you, Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers's gonna don't tell crant I asked you this. I'm not asking you what any songs mean, But why is it offensive that people ask you what a song means? No, I didn't say it was offensive. We were talking about yeah, but I don't want to

know what they mean. But why does that bother you because I would feel no, no, go ahead, yeah no. We were just talking about how people take how you can ride a song and people, I'm I wrote it, and I think it means one thing. You got a different idea of what it meant because it meant something different to you. You you know, it's all different, and I think there's some magic in that. I think that's me. Don't ask that question. And it's like, nah, yeah, I

want to. I want to come with you now. They're like, when I hear this, it gives me this feeling of I said, my brother a song, that's that's that's cooler. It's like abstract art. Yeah, it's like it's it's a n eyes older and it could be so far out and left field and you're like, yeah, but it means that to them, And like, what did I say? I said it was like when you read a book and you have a character in your mind and you see the movie and they don't look anything like that. It's

like the same thing. It's like, it's like you ever watched the movie The Road. Yeah, in the end, yeah, Corn McCarthy's The Road in the end, it's you know, a little boys dad dies and he wanders out to your road and gets picked up. This guy Cort McCarthy describes him in the book as being like he looks like he survived many skirmishes and anyways, the dude in the end of the movie, I'm like, that's not who that is. I was like, I had that's way off

the image I built with very little information. See I read that book after reading the movie or after watching the movie. So so yeah, so, which I hate, which I hate doing because then the movie informs it because then and then you don't have there's less creativity going in on the reader's perspective. That's a really job. I like that answer. I was expecting to be annoyed by your answer. That's a great answer. I don't hate it, but it was just like I like it to be

open into interpretation, especially on some songs. I don't have any specific ones in mind, but you know, people get different, different ideas, and I think that's cool. Well, I was telling him this morning that that his song frog Man must be about fishing frog baits or bass. That's what that's what it means to me. And ain't when nobody's gonna tell me different. What did you hear. In response, he said, huh, I sent my brother, Uh you're here.

Uh Sturgell Simpson cover that song when you Need a Friend. Yeah, the promise, Yeah, the promise. Yeah, I said to my brother. And he wrote me back saying how it reminded him of his first dog. It felt like it was about or reminded him of his first dog dying exactly exactly. And I'm like, yeah, you can't say, well, that's not what it's about by a guy. Yeah, it's cool to say.

I know people want to hear that sometimes, but sometimes it's like I just let it, just let it be, you know, especially like before the album comes out, we'll do a lot of questions and stuff and they'll be like I want you to explain each song and stuff like that. It's like, nah, but that feels so reductive it right, And it's like, tell me, tell me literally what the thing is, so that this is how I'm supposed to think and about it instead of having your

own relationship to hearing your music. Yea thousand percent, that's that's what That's what I meant. Um do you are you able to share with fans and listeners, like if they say here's what I think about when I hear it. Um, do you then have do you then refrain from saying that's great? Um? I love it. You're right, here's what I was thinking. Or do you not even do that? You'd pulling the Trump card? No, yeah, it's just I don't remember. I probably different responses to it. But it's

it's cool. Whatever they think are more than that. They would probably ask ask you like, hey, what does this mean? And that's cool, you know, but you know, not necessarily in like an interview telling everybody what it's supposed to me. Did that mean that? It's like, no, it was actually about this. It's like a little bit different. So that's how I would do that. I see your colleague here as a Stones tattoo. Oh yeah, did you get that after the show? Got it? Literally? I got it in

Seattle that day. Yeah, after we we played Immigrant here in Montana. I was at that show, went to went to Soldier Field, played that, and then we startled back around to Seattle at the I guess the Neptune and then I got it there. Chris introduced herself, Um, Chris Poe, uh, content creator for Whiskey Myers, that that was a big deal on when it was it cool too. When you guys tell people little bit about that you want up having sort of uhum, a sort of endorsement of sorts

from the Stones. Yeah. Just uh we got to open up a show for them at Soldier Field in Chicago. Uh. And it's just one of those things that's, like they say, once in a lifetime, that's like a never in a laf thing. Uh. And you know they they pick and a and a proved. I think Mick does all the all the bands that get to open for them, So just to be able to do that was really special. U. That's a there were a huge influence, uh to me personally in the band. Also, you know, it's one of

my favorite bands, if not my favorite band. Yeah. How could the best stuff about America be written by some British dudes? Hey, but they were at Yeah, but they understood America way better than Americans. Well, they were trying to sing the blues man and they love blues and country music and it come from America, come from the South. It's really interesting you think that they were like you think they had lived like six lifetimes in America. Yeah. Yeah,

they're great. Um. Put it this way, like Jamie, our bass players said, we're talking about how how cool you know it would be. He was like, we could go and play Soldier Field and sell it out and it still wouldn't be as cool as playing, yeah, as opening for the Relling Stones that Soldier Field. So it was it was great. Which one of your bandmates is laid up right now from crashing a YouTube from crashing the side by side? What's that all about? That's John Man

and you guys were hot dogging, not hot dogging. I wasn't there, You weren't even present. Now, he definitely was. John's always kind of been reckless with the NATV. Look close to you, I said, John has always been reckless with an ATV. So he was definitely hot dog And it was definitely And who's this now, John? What was he play? His name is John Jeffers. He's a guitar player. So tell what happened. It was in the pursuit of game.

He was running down a herd out. He was literally he went to go cut one doughnut from a dead stop and he rolled it and uh, and he didn't have a seat built on watch Poke was actually with him and he was buckled in, Thank goodness. So he they Polk said they rolled three times. John said they rolled once. We don't really know, so nobody saw it except for them, but there's a dispute about whether it was three roles or one role. Yeah. So okay, he's out of stand still and he's like, let's cut a

cookie for no reason. He was on one of these like jacked up like it was. It's a polarish racer. It's like this big, jacked up kind of top heavy top vehicles and it's very powerful. So he just gunned it and when he did, it just completely flipped over. And I don't think he definitely didn't think it would do that. It did. It was pretty serious. Actually, he has fine. He has fine by the way, he'll be. He's gonna make a full recover. He's good. He's very good.

Uh what's your what's your guys connection? Um, Like, how did you get into hunting and fishing? Were you in the hunting fishing before music? Yeah? Way before? So talk through that, like you're like, I kind of like to hunting fish, but I kind of like music, Yeah, I would. Music was so foreign to me. I always it was. Yeah,

I mean I liked it. I loved you know music, you listen to music, your parents listen to music as a kid, but nobody what your parents listen to, um, you know, scannered, Mike Williams Jr. Alan Jackson, stuff like the typical stuff like that you're throwing Alan Jackson with Skinner and well, yeah, I would say, yeah, that would that would probably have been like the boys. They would have you know, like some you know, old rock, old country, and then they would have been listening to like the

current stuff. That was a good job that. I don't know why I question that. Yeah, that all makes sense. You're conveying like a variety yeah, rather than a style of Yeah for sure, because we have a lot of variety. I think told you I'm thirty five, um so yeah. But playing music was kind of foreign to me because nobody in my immediate immediate family really played music or instruments or anything like that or wherever in a band.

But we always fished in hunt. So if you would asked like that my younger self, I would have thought it would have been what would you do when you grow up? I would probably be like, Oh, I'm a fishing hunt, not playing music, And then that just did you poor? Yeah, we weren't super poor, but I would say, you know, middle class or lower middle class, like my mom cut hair and my dad worked it. You know, it was like a prison guard, so that's not super

lucrative jobs. But anything, how did how did your dad handle being a prison guard? Was he did he get that kind of like anger or was he? No? Well he was cool? Where from? Not that? Not that that's not cool what I'm saying like that, that's a taxing job. I guess what I'm getting at. Yeah, it can be, because yeah, they have to deal with a lot of

crazy stuff. But where we're from, that's like I think, like everybody in my family worked at the prison because there's like seven prisons outside of our area, and so when you're from our area, you either leave or you work for Walmart or the prison system. And so we're from Palestine, Texas around around there. I'm actually from Nature's which is about ten miles, uh, fifteen miles outside of Palestine, which is just in East Texas. You two grew up

to go to, right, Chris, Yeah, we did. Yeah, we grew up playing playing baseball when we were young, since we were probably four or five, so that's kind of how we that's kind of how we met. And then bass fishing was always real big for us whenever we were growing up, and like our our dads would take their vacations around, like when we were on spring break and we would go to Lake fok and for years. Yeah,

it's awesome. I want to hear. I want to hear you tell the audience about about your thoughts on eating bass. I said, it's a sin. Yeah, you know, people get all, you know, touchy about that and and I don't, you know, if if that's what you want to do, I don't care. It doesn't bother me. But I always throw them back, you know. But you have you ever eaten a large both? I don't remember. I'm sure I have when I was younger,

but not recently or anything. So you guys knew each other at four or five and I was and you were already fishing. Fishing was in your family's Yeah, you guys have do you guys have boats and stuff? Back then? He's like bank fisherman. Yeah, my dad had an old champion that we look like, rigged out for bad. Yeah. I never had a boat until I was older, so it was just pond hopping unless I got to go with like with y'all or like some of my dad's

friends or something. But yeah, fishing and hunting. I mean this hell we grew up. That was just in our DNA. It's just it's like breathing. Did you guys eat I know you didn't eat those bass, but you guys grew up eating eating game and stuff from the family tar duck, some fish, yeah, cropping stuff like that dove. And then but your your parents split up when you were young? Yes, yeah, how did that play out? Um? Impact you? How did that impact your interests and whatnot? Um? As far as

fishing and stuff that. I mean, it was still the same for me. But my mom remarried, uh my stepdad now and he was super big hunter and so we actually hit it off and we've been like best friends ever since when we would go. So that wasn't wasn't the problem. Yeah, that it didn't affect that at all. Yeah, I think a lot about I don't want to spend a lot of time on this, but I think a lot about if I was the past way all of a sudden, um heart disease, Like let's say I died

right now, addiction. It's that odied right now on opioids. I'm like, what I rather my wife wound up with a dude like my brother or something. Right, they're married, but let's say like some dude like basically exactly like me? Or would I rather she wound up with some dude way different? Yeah, not near as cool, just way different, Like which is uh, which is more palatable for me? Oh? I don't know. I don't think about that. If it was a dude way different, I'd be like, uh, boy ah,

we must have been way mismatched or something. It was a dude just like me, I'd be like, oh sleep, So I like the basic parameters were okay. So yeah, so she wound up like with another hunter? Yeah, did you have to? Did you feel like if you if you're growing up and you have a stepdad and a dad and they both to go hunting? Yah? Was there? Did that create like jealousy and stuff with your dad? No? I was real fortunate. Uh, there was never any animosity.

Everybody got along and they still get along in my family, So I know that it wasn't a bad thing where you know, the sad hates that sad or anything like that. That's one thing I would not be able to stomach. Dude, Yeah, some other guy taking my kid. Oh yeah, everything was Yeah. They always got along and stuff, which is good. You

know you had Chris, you had the same situation, right, absolutely. Yeah. Well, our parents actually got a divorce around the same Our dad's roommates there for a while, so I kind of lived together when we were in sixth grades. Pretty much. You guys really stuck together. All of us really known each other in the band for the most part forever. We're just all from the same area. We grew up together.

You know, what's it like? Uh, now that you're you know, you're you've had some I have not had having success and kind of like doing this thing that isn't on the radar people you grew up around. Is it challenging? Is it like that you lost your way and you're not one of us anymore? Like is that kind of stuff going? I don't know. I don't not to our face at least. Um, we haven't changed very much. We're kind of the same. I mean, obviously we're older and

been around the world. See changed at a little bit, but I keep my blinders on. It sounds fake, but it's real. I mean we all do like I don't care about any of it. I just go out and do my do my thing. Um, you kind of have a little bit of a reputation for I want to get back to how you got into music, so don't forget that, but you have a you have a reputation as uh kind of playing by your own rules a

little bit. Yeah, and being a leary of not antagonistic tour but maybe leary of shy about into street stuff like maintaining control and all that. Do you feel that that's kind of Is that like an artistic thing or is that like a thing from growing up how you grew up. I'd say both. Um, yeah, well, I mean we just wanted to do our own thing. We wanted to play our own music. Some people get into music, I think, and they want to be famous, you know, they don't care. They want to be famous. Um, there's

nothing wrong with that. But I don't think anybody in our band had that ever in mind. It was like, that's what you did. We played music. We're in a band now, that's what we do. And it was important for us to have our own style and have our own control. And I think that probably has to a little bit to do with your upbringing bringing her being a little bit you know, ignorant redneck. Now hell with that, I'm gonna do it my own way. Uh, but that

was very important. It's still important to us. So that's why we've never signed any record deals or anything. We've always been independent and we always want to be I think I do. I don't. It's like, why the hell do I want a boss? Do you do? You feel a lot of calls about signing record deals we had, we've had, we'd have have had opportunities and stuff like that, and we just it's just not for us, you know, especially with the band like us, we were a little different.

You know, we don't fit a certain genre, a certain style, and I don't think they would even know what to do with this. What was genre would you like self identify with if you if you had I don't even like genures. I think I think that's just like a thing for selling. It should makes it easier for people to put it in a box and sell it, you know,

for marketing and stuff. Uh. I'm not big on genres because like all the stuff that I like musically, had so much like for the Stones, for example, Like they wrote some of the best country songs every blues it was rock and roll. It was popping, says my favorite country band's rock band. Yeah, skinnered so many different influences, even stuff like Whalon Jennings and stuff that was rock and roll to those people back then in the country scene. So I was always a big fan of people who

did different stuff. Isn't it funny with like Whalen that if you read about Whalen now people are like, I hate country except for that Whalen Jennings. And when Whalings Jennings time, it was like, hey country, yeah exactly. It's really like the you know, uh, I should tell you

this about genres. It's kind of this interesting story. Uh. When I was in school, I took this class called the Literature of natural History, and you read everything from you know, like Henry David Throw, you know, like Walden and shipped all the way up into a book about what it's called like bioengineering or something basically how engineers can look at cobwebs and and make structural you know, like Honeycomb would give you like ideas about how to

make structural design. Okay, and you know This guy that taught this class was hank I. Wish I could remember his last name. He died. Him and his wife both drowned in a canoeing accident. Um shortly after I took that class. They had a cabinet on an island. We're

paddling out there and flipped and died. But it brings up an interesting thing with the genre question, because he was really interested in this idea of natural history writing, and he would find that these books that he loves so much were hard for people to locate and hard to identify. And as an example, he would go into a bookstore and find, like books that should be together,

we're scattered all around. And he actually contacted the Library of Congress where they come up with like the numerical systems so identify books. He contacted the Library Congress and said, you guys have a problem where you're not seeing what makes these books like the same, and you need to find a way for bookstores and other people to like draw these parallels between these this type of literature. And

then they actually invited him down. He did like a sabbatical and went down to design a to design a genre of literature. And you might instinctively like hate that kind of stuff, but in some way like helps people locate things. Yeah, it definitely, Um, it does for sure, But just up from the artistic side, I don't like to I would guess to answer that question, it would be kind of rock and roll country, M and blues would be that. I think our three main influence type thing.

That would be the best. But as far as like putting a lane on it, I don't think I could put a you know, a specific genre. I know you didn't. You didn't say red dirty country, but I imagine you've had some dealings like with that industry. What red red dirt country? Oh? Um, I don't you guys do a better job than me. Yeah, so I guess that would be kind of a sub genre. Um, very hard, very popular in Texas, which tes in Oklahoma and the Midwest and stuff like that, and a lot of those guys

it's the same. It's kind of rock and it's kind of country. It's just it kind of takes everything a lot similar to like Americana. It's kind of like that from the outside, like red dirt country is a lot more wholesome and it's real and it's not like mainstream country, which is like super fake and sellouts and stuff. Is

that these don't think mainstream country is wholesome? Is that the reality though, that like red dirt country is what it seems and it's like it's not like mainstream country or or do they like have the same kind of

bullshit that you'd expect. Um, Well, any time you get into anything at all, there's a little bit of bullshit, But no, I think it's very honest, kind of pure still um And a lot of those guys, especially when we were younger, like the Jason Bowlands and the rag Weeds and reckless Kelleys and stuff like that, they were they were they were different, you know, And so I think I don't know if they necessarily I don't know exactly how the name got it, you know, where it

comes from. I'm sure people even know, you know, older than them. I'm not sure about that, but I know it's you know, called that now. But yeah, it was just kind of the independent mindset, you know. But but like for somebody who likes redder country, they can continue to like it because it is like what it seems, right, It's not like yeah for sure good. Yeah, there's some bands I don't know if you know, I get I get Kelly. I'm saying like when you say like not

what you can fill, I don't get it. It's it's not like Luke Brian, Kenny Chesney folks like that. You're saying like sometimes in mainstream you're getting a product that's not even controlled by the artist, that's really put together and not even them. It is independent and it's whether whatever that band sounds like it is actually realistically them.

And I think I think yeah, like like Luke Brian would talk about shooting bucks, Copenhagen, pickup trucks, stuff like that, right, somebody probably wrote that because you think someone was like, hey, here's some keywords. But like red Dirk Country is just like like I said, I don't know a little more honest,

what if they talk then they actually cheat Cogen? Oh you think you might not like the cope, right, But I'm kind of curious about, uh, you know what, what what is going through the minds of artists or non artists when they feel more comfortable defining themselves within a genre and what it is you feel like you might be bucking up against or not wanting to accept when people like are trying to are you this and this? Do you hit this category in this? Like what is that?

What does that feel like for you? And sometimes you can just listen to an artist and you say, yeah, that's a rock and roll band, that's what it is. You can say, oh, that's country, that's straight up country, you know Cody Jinks great, pure country, that's country, you know where somebody like us, I mean one song might be country and the next songs like like mud and

we're we're like gout see or something almost thrashing. So that's where it would be hard for me to do that because we do kind of go all over the place, And so I don't think you could say it's country or rock and roll it would you say, that's that's more authentic to like how you feel in a day and a song expresses like a mood and then it expresses and you can that that you're just expressing as

a band all these kind of different Yeah. I think we just had a bunch of influences and we decided to play whatever the hell we wanted to, And so that's kind of why it's like that when we saw you guys um at the Old Saloon and Immigrant last summer. I know, me and all my friends were a little bit taken aback because I think I think you had you know, you're some of your allids have have become a little bit more more prominent and popular and you know,

really beautiful, really really captivating. But you guys rocked out way harder than we are especially expecting. Yeah, and so it we're we're going there expecting more more of like a more of like a full you know, country kind of show, and it was a full on rock show. Yeah, especially live at it. Yeah, we lack to rock. It's fun, especially for the lab things. People gravitate towards the ballads and slow songs. That's just people. People like sad songs.

That's just kind of There's even a song I like called said songs. Yeah. I think I've heard that we read sad songs. Yeah. Um, it's true. It's a true statement. Man, people dig sad songs. It's like, oh, you want a sad song? Do you call this song sad songs? Um? What percentage? And I'm not gonna ask you what any ship means, but what percentage? What percentage of your music would you say is informed by it is informed by hunting, fishing, outdoor pursuits. Like even even in terms of the vernacular,

I think a lot of vernacular. I don't think I don't have any songs about hunting and fishing per se. But they'll they'll say stuff in them. You know, gasoline has a line. I think frog band has a line in it. Um, that load of a Southern Man has that line. And so there's there's things that you could tell, yeah, like like like like terminology or references or something. Yeah, but not necessarily like, hey, I'm going fishing today. Yeah.

One of my favorite lyrics, I'm taking that ship man. Well, that one starts with I don't mind work and I love to fish the son of a Bitch. The first time I heard that, I'm like, yeah, I resonate with that. Uh. Do you so always like to ask people who are like somewhat in the you know, at least somewhat are all the way in the black eye? Um? Do you A lot of people who are interested in the blood sports, um get to a point where they feel they need

to draw some separation because it's a liability. Yeah, I'll never be like that, but do you understand why they do it? Have you have you been in a situation where, like I did, almost be easier if I had just like it wasn't associated uh not too hot attle bit. It's kind of like, uh, are European fans are not down with hunting and stuff like that? But it's it

just comes from ignorance. Like when I when I had all those pictures of the hogs and stuff like that, you know, they were like everybody was bitching and stuff, and I was like, shout, I guess I shouldn't even have posted that. But but you thought that for a minute. Yeah, but I mean, you know whatever, but not to just be like, oh, I'm not gonna hunt and all that stuff. Now, I wouldn't. I would never do that. That's just who

I am. I'm not I'm not changing. I have no interest in changing to be bigger or famous or have more money or anything like that. I'm completely fine with how I am. Do you where do you draw your main You mentioned like hearing from European fans. You mean like in social media comments. Yeah, supposedly they were lack up six we killed a bunch of pigs, and they comes from ignorance. They didn't know that they're wanted an invasive species, so they shouldn't even have been there, and

we shot a bunch of ducks yesterday. They're not. Yeah, but they probably would freak out about that too, But that was really it. I don't think we've had a lot of backlash other than that. But I don't have social media or anything like that, So even if they were talking a lot of ship, I wouldn't hear about it unless somebody told me, what's your main what's the main way you communicate with what's the main way you like communicate with fans? Like how do you know like

what they're thinking? I think poke. Someone says it goes back keeping my blinders on and doing my thing, you know, trying not to be influenced. There's gotta be some element of like some some metric that you look at. M hm, No, I don't. Let's tell me no, just doing my thing? Should I? I I guess I should be listening to somebody else. I don't know. We'll just do our thing. Man. Well, I mean, what are they gonna tell me, like, oh, you should write this song? You know, Like I'm not

listening to what they tell you. Yeah something, Yeah, I feel it's not Someone would say you know what in the position you're in, you know what you ought to do? Yeah, you never get that, n not to what is a stereotypical European fan, Like, is he like me and Sam longdred or No. No, they're great fans, but they just don't see uh. A lot of our American fans would understand more of the guns side, the hunting side and stuff. Uh where they might lack our music, but they don't.

They don't see the same at all. So that would be the only difference. I would say, I've had those conversations with Europeans man, and I really I really feel like you know that that cold those many of those cultures have just become so divorced from hunting. And it's it's the way that hunting has always been managed over there.

It's always private land. It's always been kind of the realm of the aristocracy, and it's it's it's usually not that people are opposed to killing animals or eating meat, but it's like they misunderstand our motivations a little. Suits and ships exactly. And those people are probably never even touching the dead animal, like maybe if it like arrives on their plate, but they've got like game managers and

stuff for that. And I know I've had a number of conversations with people in bars and you know, in in France and Germany, England, Italy where where I talk about like, you know, how how hunting is you know, an integral part of the our conservation of these species is how we do it for how we do it for me, how it's deeply you know, steeped in tradition, and it's it's just it's our it's our recreation, it's

our it's our passion. And people come around immediately, but at first they're like hunting, oh, but it's just it's very foreign to them. It is. Yeah, people just don't get it's not as cognitive as it is in America. It's just not it's not as part of a big, as part of the culture. It's it's such a small minority. There. Far be it from me to be an apologist for

the continent of Europe. But it's been pointed out to me by UH listeners in Europe that when we talk about Europe, we're talking about a large, extremely diverse area as though we're talking about England. Like we say Europe, but what we kind of mean is like what I've heard, the feedback I've heard from people is that like, you've been to Scotland in England and you saw kind of what goes on there in the hunting world, and then you extend that to the entire continent, which I've been

told is exceedingly ignorant. Sure, sure, but I still like to do it. It's fun. It's not. Yeah, it's not. It's not a monolith. It's it's not a monolith because there are dudes are There are dudes right now. There are dudes right now hunting moose on public land in Europe and now stomping the freaking marshes for that. The one bird I want to get, the only one I want, the only bird I want to get more than an

oscillated turkey. No, the only bird, the second bird I want to There's no bird I want more than oscild turkey. Second to that is one, and then big damn Capa Kelly things. They're like, yeah, there are dudes out there right now skulking around on skis and snowshoes and ship

bushwhacking around trying to find one of those. It's not like you know then, you know, in some parts of Europe, the ones I'm more familiar with, Like you hired the local poor kids to go out and beat the brush and touch because you don't want to have to pick up any birds, so you hire local poor kids to go pick them up for you. Then you all go back and have a spot of t and uh and

they clean them all. But it's like it's a big place. Yeah, but there there are there are some unifying there are some unifying aspects well that that there isn't really that there isn't really a system of public land by and large in Europe and in Scandinavia and there there there there's some sort of kind of de facto public land, but it ends it ends up being it ends up being more and it's also and firearms are far more restricted there, so it's it's hunting becomes less less kind

of a middle class, lower class activity as it can be in the United States. I mean it spans you know, kind of kind of the entire you know, American society, but in in Europe it's it's definitely a lot more targeted towards rich people. And fishing is the same way too. I mean, there isn't there isn't an overwhelming amount of

um of public access to water in Europe. I fished quite a bit in Europe, and you it's always incredibly difficult to uh, you got to go to this one post office in this one town and pay thirty dollars for the stamp to be on this sectionever that day, and you've got or you or or I mean in where wherever it's better. It's you know, there's one person who gets to be on that stretch of river that day and it costs, you know, fifty euro and there

will be some public lakes. Usually salt water is less regulated. But um, I think I think some of our early leaders in the conservation movement that allowed us to have these large swaths of land that are open to everybody really created something different. And the culture just diverged wildly from from over there. And I've talked to I've talked

to European hunters quite a bit about this. Who people who are interested, people who are allowed to go shoot pheasants and rabbits, but never dreamed of getting to shoot a deer because that's for that's for the the rich guys to do. That was a powerful condemnation of Europe. Hey, I love Europe. I got a lot of Europeans uns. Better here we get down, get some kind of genuine European, genuine European out of the fifty millions Drapeans and Europeans.

Who's got like a pan European. He's from a European country and he identifies continentally. Here's what I want to find my idea. Yet, this is the anti generalization idea. If you if you just give me a second. So here's what you do as a producer. You find a European from Europe who has who has a pan European interest set. They come on and deliver a crash course in Europe, meaning like this swath of countries generally this and here's kind of what here's what their stereotype is.

Like I could go and do it for America. I'm like, oh yeah, down the South, you got all these rednecks. All they do is fish, catfish. They don't here, he got these they just fish walling all time, kind of dumb out here. It's like you know, I could I could do I could walk through the US, you know, but through through like Utah. It's just like you know, it just trophy hunt giant bulls Arizona. They hunting huge groups of people because there's no tags and when someone

draws a tag, fifty them have to go. Um. And I'll just do a country walker or a state by state walk through. Similarly, we could do a country by country walk through of what actually goes on in Europe and it would be like very educational for me because I might not be so tempted to say what goes on in this little place I went one time and it ended across the continent. All right, I will look for I actually have an expert expert able to speak

to that, because I'll do it right now. In Europe, by which I mean portions of England, they actually which is not part of the European Union, in England of Europe. Yeah, uh uh, they have a thing called landing matt ever hear of this. They like to fish carp Yeah, they got carpet names on them, and the carpet have names like like you know, it wouldn't be like old Bessie, that's what we'd call it. They would call it. Uh.

Ferguson Walter, Yeah, Ferguson the cart, Ferguson the eighth. Uh, they'll have a cart and then a lot of people will catch them and they'll always be weighing them and it'll be like the biggest cart was one day someone called old Bessie and she was like ferguson the eighth and he was an ounce more than when some other dude caught him. And so they'll be like, when I call it Ferguson, he was thirty one pounds and three ounces, and that will be like the record. And they have

a landing. These guys use a landing mat. You when you're fishing, you put out like a little rubber brit like a little rubber ramp out that goes from the beach down into the water. So when you catch fergus in the eighth, you you you basically pull him ashore. It's on a landing map, then do your whatever you're gonna do to him, not eat them, and then you and then you slide him back down into the pond. Did you know that catching release is illegal in Germany? Oh? Really?

Huh yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. I fished over there a couple of years ago and there, uh, we're fishing trout stream and it's like a highly managed trout stream and the guy we're we're we're going with you know kind of media connection. Was was like and you know, we got all our we we had to go to the post office and get our our fishing license. Then we had to be at the fly shop to get to you know, to reserve the beat for the day. And when we're all done with everything, he's like, well,

here's here's your license and here's your fish tag. And it was like it was like an interlocking tag, almost like what you'd put on a like a deer in Alaska plastic though. Um. And we're like, oh, then that's that's fine. We're traveling, you know, we're not going to kill a fish. Like, what the hell do we do with it? He's like catching release is actually not legal in Germany. The Green Party passed that sometime in the in the nineties. They're like, well, you know, fishing's one thing.

Fishing is okay if you're providing food for yourself, but it's it's animal cruelty to fish just for just for ships and giggles. Um. So he's like, you have to have this tag with you you catching relief. You're not allowed to catch your release. But if you catch a fish and take the hook out and then it happens to get away from you. Then that's that's all right. But I mean, but I mean, it was kind of

like a wink wink, nudge nudge kind of thing. He's like, we like basically said, we never kill fish, but it's illegal not to. Yeah, but apparently there was a major

prosecution about it. Like a few years before that, there's some guy who's like a big pike angler and there's some great pike fishing in Germany, and he had a video on YouTube of him catching a big female pike and reviving it and releasing it, and he actually was prosecuted for that, for not killing that fish, which is just you know, it's just so it's so interesting how the how, how how far apart the cultures are see

rich and varied continent. If in this episode I'm talking about current, there'd be a part where this individual would be like, and then you got Germany, Okay, let one go, I'll do some research. I was gonna ask you, guys, I would tell I would go to Google now typing something like um Europeans with a pan continental interest and the diverse hunting and fishing regulations of the continent, I will use that researcher and then uh see what what

pops up? This guy really Flarry moved from. I was wondering, like, how Whiskey Myer's music ends up with having European fans? Can I can I say one more thing? No, real quick, I'm dying and all the answer that can you just hold that. I was with my kids yesterday. Uh you know, they're like at home all day because the kids, because the COVID, they haven't been going to school, so they

get a little cooped up. And I took him out to check on some muskrat dens we were uh had heard about, and um, they find a dead brown trout, like a big brown like a brown stone, dead kind of rotten. They insist it's fresh. I'm across I'm in my waiters and I'm across the creek from him, and they're hooting hollar about this fish and they're gonna bring it home and shoulder mom and eat it. And uh,

I was like, I wonder. I was explaining to him that you know, brown's coming up spawn and everything, and ah, I was like, I wonder if he's got if he had gotten a hook in him or something, and that's what causes demise. And they're like, they reported, yes, he has a hook stuck in his throat. And I said really, and they're like, yes, it's a silver hook. I go and look at the fish. There is no hook in

its throat. We have a big conversation about there's just like not a hook in its throat, Like, I don't understand that night he's telling the story to cal there's a hook in its throat, just like alternate reality. Certain things to get said in the political sphere made a lot more sense to me after that. It's just like in his head there is a hook and that fish's throat and no absence of a hook is going to make him think otherwise. Oh you want me to make

that makes sense? It was a European brown, great brown shot from your very good brown shot from Europe. Do you wonder, Kay, ask your question, like, how how does Whiskey Myers develop fans in Europe? Is there like a whole group that likes that sort of music from America? Yeah? They lack American music. Uh, most part of them are really lack like kind of the classic rock sound or the southern rock sound. It's it's kind of very big over there right now. And so I guess the internet,

Well do they do they view? They million people? Do they? Okay? If I like a band, I might like them for years and then one'd be like, oh, ship, I didn't know they're from wherever? Hm, there is a change, Okay. Like I like some stuff. I like an album by m Ad three, I didn't know they were French or the guy was from France. Then later I'm like, oh, I don't know that I got some France. Now you don't like them? No, I'm just saying, does it even

mad like? Do do if you have fans in Europe, are they like, uh, you know, I like music and then there's some American music. I like it just like you know what I mean? Like, does it even like a thing? Yeah? I think it's it's a thing, like they recognize I like music from the southern United States. Yeah, I think so. At least a big part of our fan base over there, they're they're looking for that, not only America, but that part of America from southern France

just isn't something I would ever. There's one of our distributors over there, they explained it to me one day. It was just him and I and he was like, he's like, you know, he said, over here, he said, they don't have a South. He said, they're and they're like infatuated with the way y'all talk and and how it comes out and all that. So it's really cool. You know, they don't have that over there. They don't have a bunch of ye you know, the way we talk and stuff just chakes them up. Did you guys

growing up? Did you grow up Hayting northerns No? No, can you can you goof on how we talk? Yeah? Go ahead, I'd love to hear it. I'm not gonna goof on how you guys talk? Come on, come on, impression? Is that what you No? No, Okay, When I was growing up, if we want to talk about bad about a dude from the South, we had a way we would do it right, so ours would just be like oh or they eight like your os are different. Yeah. Yeah, we had a guy there he's like it's a big box. Yeah.

I'm like, dude, I don't know anybody sounds like that anyways. I told you know, if I tell him like how they sound, They're like, but I don't know anybody that sounds like that, but do for us when you were a little kid and you were shipped talking Yankees, do for us how they would like. I could be like, let's say I was I was. I would be like, Um, I can't do it now, man, it's hard. Let me think about. Do do goofing on Northerners? You don't act

like you don't goof Okay, here's a good example. We had a bus driver those from Wisconsin and he had a real thick accent and he drank a lot of mountain dew. I don't know why, but so every that's a Northern drink. Every time we were going to bus call, he'd be like he would call me and I would answer the phone and say, hello, hey, Chris, you think you could drop by the store and grab me a couple of mountain dues bro And I'm like that sound like? And the fact that he wanted me to get his

mountain before, I'm like, why didn't you do it? K some wally? Yes See, when we're talking about Southerners. One of our favorite, my favorite stories, one of Yanni story I kind of like stole his story. So Yanni's turkey hunting somewhere in the South or somehow what he's doing. He's turkey hunting somewhere. The guy pulls up, rolls his window down, hawks out like cascade of chew spit, and then says, y'all hear your turkey's gobble and that's us. Um,

that's us symbolized. You're not far wrong. Yeah, mine suck good. Well. I hit a couple more like goof on northerners from minute that was kind of like, what's the impression? Right? I had a guy there to day you tell me, oh yeah, like he says, he's kind of like a northern he's kind of pretentious, southern heart, a little bit more homie friendly. Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know. I mean honestly, we didn't really know about northern left our county and oh we haven't gotten into that go

on real quick. So you grew up hunting, fishing. How did your parents listen to music? Yea, but how did it never curre to you to like play some music? That was the first damn question were supposed to? So, um, my grandfather on my mom's side, he was kind of wild. You know, he wouldn't around a lot. You didn't seem a lot you know, because he was what he was just out there again. Uh, kind of like the biker and the you know, just a little bit edgy, you know, so you wouldn't see him a lot go away for

long spells of time. Yeah, kind of like that. Uh. And I don't know that I understand, but he kind of played the guitar a little bit, you know, or he had a guitar, and uh, I guess one time I had told him when I was younger, like, you know, that's cool, I would learn how to love to learn how to do that. And then years later, when I was about sixteen, Uh, he left the guitar at like, uh, my grandparents house, Like he just showed up and I

thought he was your grandparents. Well yeah, so it would have been her mom, So he would have been my mom's dad. Which way were they were divorced, you know, but he left it. No, I'm not saying you're being complicated. Okay, you're mother's father, yes, but he was divorced from your grandmother and grandfather were divorced, yes, I understanding. So he just kind of came by. I don't even know if he even talked. Oh, I don't know. That's way before

I was born, uh, because he's wild. But he just years later for some reason, he left that guitar on like their their porch or something. And I don't know if he told him or I can't he remembered that time. Yeah, and so picked it up and kind of started learning. So he didn't come over and show you how to use it. He just left. It was just left for me. Yeah, and uh, I went and got it and I started learning how to do little chords and things like that.

And then, um, John Jeffers, a guitar player. Um, I took it over there one day. And I don't even know if he knew, but like his his dad teen sixteen, seventeen, um, and I took it over there, and his dad actually like knew how to play guitar and stuff. And I don't know even though if we knew that. And like evidently his dad was kind of you always played music, and his mom, you know, his mother had been in a band, you know, and he probably knew that, but

I didn't, um, you know, when they were younger. And then his dad showed us how to play guitar when we were like sixteen or seventeen, like like showed you how as then you started really focusing or he's like it basically works like this, Uh, a little of both probably, but yeah, just shown us like, hey, this is like this, and he was playing and just taught us some stuff and then it just kind of grew from there. Really. But that's that's how I got into music. Because my

grandpa left a guitar. You still have it. It got stolen. What Yeah, guitars get stolen a lot, So I don't have that anymore where to get stolen from. So it was in my my We had a suburban that we toured in at that time when years years ago, when we first started and seven or eight. Yeah, So I had left it in there and went inside the house and the window was messed up on the suburban. It would always fall, remember that it wouldn't. And like I went back inside the house and our dog died, had

died that day or something. So I went was like messing with the dog, ended up having to bury it and stuff, and I went back outside and somebody stole the guitar while you're in burying the dead dog. My daughter's fish died last night, and that's how that happened. And it was gone, So the window was just like it would always fall down. I don't know if somebody just had it was in the neighborhood at that time

I lived in Tyler, slipped out of the track and it. Yeah, it was around the time they were they were stealing a lot of stuff, So somebody was just walking by and maybe seen it and just I just left it in. There wasn't even very long when and they had stole their guitar and they never found it. Never found it.

We looked, we looked around in pawn chops and everything like that, and so and it was one of those things where I was like taking stuff in and then you know, ended up having to deal with that and I was like, oh, shoot, I gotta get my stuff with your grandfather. It was of what kind of guitar would it looked like, what's the man? It would? Yeah, it was just an old attack of many guitar and it had a it did have a cigarette burn on it, alright,

I guess it would be from him. So it did have a cigarette burn on it, but it didn't have any unique features other than that. It was just you know, it's so depressing, man. But that's a true story. Man. So for any listeners out there, what color wasn't just regular. I don't even know what classic guitar pit guard? It had a cigarette burn under I believe under the pit guard,

you know, like where your fingers would see it. If you're man, we should do like a national effort to get your And that was like contact mediator if you find a guitar alarming. The story we reported on this My brother and his body were fishing in Alaska and

they out there. They had some engine problems and they got their boat flipped and swamped up against the log when the water is real high, and they hung a buoy off it, and the rain kept coming and they were waiting for the water to get down so they could go back and retrieve their boat. And they just went back to get it. It's gone. The only thing left is to tea posts sunk in the bank where someone had rigged up some leverage points to jacket out

of there, stole their freaking boat. Were sure that person thought of it as theft though, and they weren't like thought it was a salvage jill. But they sure ship didn't call the police and say we found a boat. If you found a boat sunk against the log with a booty tied to it, and you had to go out and get some tea posts and sink them in and come along and off there. You don't, you wouldn't get a slight feeling like, I wonder whose boat this is?

You're getting a reward in that case? Uh, my brother's road, so he used to lived down he used to live by this little Uh that's kind of a weird story. Never mind, how's he tell you a drug car theft story? It's just a long ass story without getting into too many details. My brother's body gets his truck stolen, and he's suspicious of of a little meth house down the road. He's suspicious of the inhabitants of a little meth house down the road. But he does the police, your partner

all that. Eventually gets a call from the cops. His truck has been a band in a couple of hours away at a gas station, and the cops says, oddly, they abandon your truck and stole the gas station attendance car. He says, what do they drive? They drive or whatever the hell it was. He goes and looks out his window. He's like, yep, it's parked, Scooby, dude, that thing man, it's parked down the road and house of the people I suspected. Still did they upgrade or was it insulting

like that? Remember the details, but it was just some sly some sly uh you know, burglary not as sly as they thought. Uh So, what happens next? You guys are screwed because you can't tour and make money doing everything you are. You like, like, what happens now? How do you how do you be an independent rock band at the time of COVID, Well, we can be that because we are independent and we get royalties, we own our masters, you know, so well I think we would have, yeah,

a lot of harder time if we weren't independent. Yeah, we're gonna hopefully start up next year. We stopped in like February when everything, you know, everything started to closing down. They started canceling shows, and then we were gonna go

back on the road, and like July. Everything was supposed to kick back up in July and all that, and they had, you know, shows still booked, you know, throughout the year, and we would get close to or three week out and they cancel and that she kept happening, kept happening, kept happening. Every time we have to cancel right at the last minute. And I was like, this is stupid, Like cancel the rest of the year. We'll get we'll get back at it next year. We're just

gonna move, you know. And so we just moved everything from this year to the next year because it was just it was obnoxious being like, oh, you gotta come back to work, you know, telling people they had to come back to work at certain times and and things like that, and then it canceled, and then you're telling the fans we're gonna be here, they buy tickets, you cancel, and so it was just one of those things where it's like and I don't want to deal with like

capacity and all that. It's like, let's just wait a couple of months and maybe we can go back at it full steam and have good shows where you can rock and everything and you're not sitting out with mask on spread out at your table. And it was just like, why not. We've been on the road NonStop for twelve thirteen years. I think you know, we can take a few months off. Have you been enjoying the time off? Yeah,

they're probably doing more more hunting and fishing than normal. Yeah, I have, but I've been fishing a lot and then yeah, I've just been started hunting, you know, hunting season just opened a couple of weeks ago. Or fishing the summer a lot. Yeah, I don't fish a lot in like August because it's just it's miserable too hot down there. Yeah, I think so. And then the fish start kind of

suspending and doing some different things. They're just kind of funky, you know that August in September, kind of the transition in there. It's just a little bit funky enough. I needed to like start writing again and working on the the new album. But when both season rolled around, I've been hunting a lot. So, um, tell people because they can't come see you right now, tell people like what, like what what works for you best for people to

want to go explore your music? You know, to tell people just go on Spotify man, yeah, Apple Music or website just all social media outlets. People, your website, yeah, Whiskey Myers dot com. Just really, what's whatever convenient for them? They want to buy a record, they got a record player, buy a record, they want to stream it? Do that. You know, did you guys get your ducks cleaned yesterday? We do? Would you like to have a place like that place? Yeah, they had it going on. Man, I've

never hosed down the room before. That was that's just just set up for for cleaning ducks. I was had they going on. Um, yeah, that he's got a uh, he's got pretty special plays. A lot of a lot of love and attention went into yeah, just making making

making duck country. Yeah, we've seen I mean, how many deer and pheasant and everything else did we see just besides the I don't even I tried to explain how many ducks we've seen, and I was like, I have no idea saying it makes it hard to get up at three in the morning, go and put your boat in and drive up and get to fight with some other duck hunters and get two ducks. And yeah, this wasn't like that. Yeah, well it was. It was so funny in the morning too, that we're all set up

in that blind. I'll get our deeks out, all our all our stuff nicely stashed, and then we have the side by side. Roll up. You're on the wrong line, Get in with me. We're going to the other one. They already have limits and we're like, what we killed were good? Yeah? Me too. I'm like, yeah, we're talking a couple in here. We're getting some okay shots. We've got a couple of ducks in the blind and he's like, oh, they already got like twenty one birds. Yeah. I was like,

I think we're doing fat man. We're saying a lot of a lot of birds, and he's like, oh, no, y'all need to move. But then we got over there. We got it real quick. It was they wanted to be right there. Was that your first? Was that your first duck print? That was my third duck? Yeah? I went on my first duck hunt. Actually, no, well I went on a duck hunt with some of y'all. I knew you went, but I didn't know that you first, my first actual duck. I went out with them. HANSI

you only done trying to wing shoot him. Well, we were, I mean, I loved it. I was. We were in the muck, so we um we canoed in, our canuted out and set up a bunch of decoys and we were hiding, you know, underneath the reeds, and so they were there were some God, I had missed a bunch. And then we were all taking a break and eating, and then a couple were kind of flying. Hi. Maybe I shouldn't have taken the shot. I just like, I didn't even tell anyone I was going to take the shot.

I probably should have. Like everyone had beef jerky in their mouths and they were chatting, and I just saw a bird come from left to right and I just shot it and it went down. No, it was, um, what are you looking at? You got it written down? No, I'm thinking about staring into space and trying to get it from my mom's my mind's eye. The black feathers with kind of the white outline. Widgeon, that's the region, right. Yeah. So, um, I was down there a couple of days before. She was.

They're getting a lot of yeah. So. And then my second one was was also a widgeon. It was like coming to land. It was it was it was pretty low, it was coming to land among the decoys, and it was almost like it was I mean, there's just a couple of feet off the surface of the water. When I got it was a pretty easy shot, but I just know it was kind of like I felt like that duck was landing in and about to be like hey Bob, hey Joe, what's up? And then they're like mannequins,

not saying anything. I always wonder about them. I always wondered about that interaction the duck lands and it spread after me. He's like these people are Yeah, it was like because they kind of get like a very they land and they started getting like an uneasy feeling. So those are those are my first two. The other way like I don't know something and then the lights go out.

But yesterday was my was my third duck. I missed a ship ton and and Chris had to Chris finished off like a handful of my birds for me, but there was one that was just a clean shot. How are you going to cook up like the ducks you got yesterday? Do you have any like from your mother? Do you have any Chinese influenced uh duck recipes that you try or do you just cook like whatever? My mom was not. My mom did like a certain number of things. Well, um, never like peeking duck. That that's

a couple of day effort. Um. But I do have like an old school Chinese cooking a cookbook. You're gonna try something like that. I may, um, dude, you're you're I think you groove should be like Chinese man. Yeah, I mean I have a friend. I have a friend in town, dear friend in town, Linda, who is um a chef from Shanghai, and I was going to ask her to maybe help me out with a with a thing. But yeah, maybe that's maybe that's what I what I have to do with at least one of my ducks.

I don't know if these have enough fat on them. I haven't. They get a little bit later. But when you say your mom did some things, well, do you mean that cooking wasn't one of them? Or she did some dishes? Well, some some dishes she did but did not know? I don't. I don't really know how many people do that at home. That's kind of like you go to Chinatown and you buy them. What's that? What's that Chinese preparation for duck that you see in Chinatown

in New York where they have them they're glazed. Yeah, that's that is where they're hanging up lazed. That's the you know. And and I used to buy those things. They kind of caught them up with a cleaver. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like you have all these ducks hanging in shiny they're crispy, and then you like stand in line and it's like the guy with a freaking huge as cleaver just like chop chop chop, chop, chop, chop chop chop.

And then it's just like they pile all this greasy, just delicious duck with sauce and like there's some slight um I would say, like different spices. Some some folks might do more of like a five spice and they're you know, slight variations. Um. But I think I think we need to think about a recipe like that. Um. That used to be uh that was like a favorite thing to do when to go, you know, in New York,

to go find those ducks. Totally. Yeah, when you guys were playing in New York, did you did you do some peeking duck in Chinatown? It's not like a wild duck man right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what'd you do? Whoa Hop? This restaurant called whoa Hop it's in Manhattan. Yeah, it's very awesome if you're ever there, get some duck there. Something is secured to be Chris with no turing and you'd being the term manager times getting hard. Oh yeah, but oh yeah, but like Cody said, I mean we've

been enjoying it, hunting, fishing. It's been great. Yeah, it just hit me. I was like, oh, that's a tour manager. Yeah, I'm probably healthier than when we're on the road. Well, they toured all the way up here. We've been hanging out on their bus every day when I picked him up. That's good. It's cool. Glass bust here man Steve Steve as Korean about shooting a duck off the water before and you know, referring to like Northerners making fun of

Southerners and southerns making fun of Northerners. I'm from South Dakota. We would refer to that, or like shooting a dove off a power line is Arkansas and something that's because the old Arkansas is that? Is that what you guys? That's not that's from the old market hunter days. That's not like a goofing on the side puns Like would you guys, would you guys call what would you refer

to that as I would? You said that that's Arkansas that you guys don't know about calling it Arkansas on a bird like that's Michigan or and stuffing loosening where I'm from. Yeah, but dude, we'll report back on this. The etymology, but I understand from my father has something to do. It's like a reference to a type of rig used by market hunters. It's not like you know, those idiots down in Arkansas. I would prefer like these

guys still say Arkansas. Yeah I know, but I would prefer that they call it like, oh, that's uh, that's Scony in something like someone from Wisconsin would do that. I'm a Arkansas on it. I got a lot of friends in Arkansas. They call Arkansas and and Arkansas Clay Newcomb Newcombe. You know what I messaging right now. Maybe we'll have an answer by the end of the podcast. I'm wrapping it up. You gotta come back on Spencer. Report back after you talk to that dude who got

all the elk shot off this place. All right, Whiskey Myers find him at whiskey Myers dot com. That's a good U r L for you, guys. Yeah, it works, not confusing. Um, Spotify didn't go find you yep, Spotify, you got your own playlist under YEP you're talking the wrong person. You got an affirmative. You got an affirmative from the other Chris. I think we got everything. Man. Al Right, guys, thanks so much for coming on. It was fun hanging out. She probably quit chewing that tobacco. Yeah, um,

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