Ep. 211: Hunting with Your Enemy

and then we gotta cover smart stuff. Okay, a man, a Jewish man who's who has a Muslim hunting partner. Uh, that is uh, that is correct. I feel like we could just end the show. That is gonna be on my that will be on my team still and right and the show, but we'll return to that. Because you're you're super familiar. You're a comedian, you do stand up and do television, you do podcasts, so you're like, really, you're like very good at entertainment. I guess, so, yeah,

that's that's that's what I do. But I will say this, I you know, I work in New York and l A a lot of famous people all over the place. I've never been a star struck as I am in Bozeman, Montana with you two guys. I like to hear it's wild Man telling shows you how good of an entertaining you are because you know how to play the No, dude, I'm telling you, yeah, over you honest are like you guys are like the j Lo and Shakira of the hunting world. Dude, I've been exercising so much I'm gonna

wind up looking like about look like j Lo. Manum telling you. I've been since since your show was on what was the Sportsman's network Sportsman channel, Yes, Sportsman Channel, I've been I've been watching man. Huge fan, huge fan. I'm very excited to be here. What I want to do is we're gonna talk about a couple of things and just so you can help us, because being such a experienced entertainer, you could just weigh in and tell

us if what we're talking about entertaining or not. Uh. Well, first thing, Yanna, it's like you're back, but I can't really you're not like the co host anymore, to be honest, To be honest with you, that didn't take long because well, how many did you miss eat out? To ask Karan, he's out like a sign. He's out an assignment, I think like the past maybe three. So he's like a guest.

Now you're all you're all also in Nashville for a one. Yeah, he's kind of like a you're like a regular, like a guest, like you know a guy that joins us now and then that's right. Um, I had a note to talk about. I want to talk about Janice is big insult that he gave me. Yanna saw me make a note about him insulting me. We're at a wedding um for a colleague of ours, and it got to be like the part of a wedding where everybody already ate and there's like dancing getting started. And I informed

my wife I was ready to go home. It was about eight. Uh. She thought I was kidding, so that was a joke, but I let her know that it was in fact not joking and I was ready to go home. And Johann he was going out to the dance floor with his woman, and um, he made a comment like aren't you planning on dancing or you're not gonna dance? And I said, your honest, Um, every man's got his limits. And your honest left me with by saying I'm gonna go push past mine and went to

the dance floor. Dude humiliated. At nine pm, I was laying in my bed with my lady watching a movie. By nine pm. Yeah, she told me. She told me. It wasn't just a movie, it was a documentary about No, No, it was it was Have you watched Dan? Have you watched um the Lighthouse? No, I haven't. That's a back it's two people. There's two people in Will Dafoe, the kid from the guy from the Vampire movies. Yeah, who I like a lot. Now. He had a hard time

maintaining his accent through through the film. Um, great movie. Wait, why did you leave your buddy's wedding to go watch the Lighthouse? Shouldn't you be celebrating this moment of joy? No, because I don't, like I just have. I just have very hard time socializing, really small talk and socializing because people come to and they say annoying things, like they want to tell you they're hunting stories, and you're like, God, I just want to hang out and have it. I

just want to dance with There's a little bit of that. Dan. I saw a couple of guys must be telling about their their hunting stories. Uh oh, what I want to uch about the Lighthouse. It's a great movie, but it's my new favorite word is in it um mirror folk

meaning murr men and mermaids together as mr folks. And on a related note, we were recently talking about viviparous and oviviparous reproduction strategies and how sharks are you know, we're like the egg develops, you know, a shark will sort of carry it's it's egg sack will get bigger, bigger, bigger, and it carries it externally. Yeah you ever see this?

I don't think I've seen it carry externally. Yeah, that's It's like it's like they'll get to a point where they there's like an egg hanging out some kinds of sharks and it's developing out of the of Um is that? Is that something that's great? If you know, do you speak multiple languages? Which ones? I speak French, Spanish and farsily in English? Yeah? In English? My English is ok. You know, so many didn't even list them all um

uh Am Londren are very old. Sand Longer is telling me that there's a term for like, when that egg sact are you looking it up? Yunny? Yeah, when the eggs act um, you know, the fish emerges and the egg sact is discarded and when it washes up on the beach, people will find it and it's known as

a Mermaid's purse. Yeah, because we're talking about whether Mermaid would be like just curious how much people have thought through, you know, like if someone has like enough of a there's someone who has sort of enough of a sense. You know, people that are into aliens, right, sometimes they

have like their whole life history. Right. If someone got so into Mermaids that they got into they're like, oh and they reproduced by It's gotta be a fantasy writer who's like the leading voice on mermaid what they do. Because I look at them and I don't see any anything. I don't see an orifice. Yeah, I would think that they're a sexual, but they use their sexuality to get stuff. I gotta come from some like that. Man. That's good, that's good. Um moving I real quick. We're gonna don't

don't worry, Danny, didn't waste your trip. We're gonna get to you taking time. I love this. I love this man. Quick question. The guy uh was right and and wanted to get our thoughts. I'm using a baby's umbilic record as fishing bait. Um. He says he's kept he's kept why he's kept it. He's kept in his dresser. He's kept in his dresser. I don't know, man, you have to rehydrate it. Uh, but it'd be a real conversation piece.

And it led to um. I saw that I was might have another email we got from a guy who was saying that he catches fish. He takes you know, foam earplugs. Yeah, yeah, he takes lead lead jigheads and puts foam earplugs on here and says it slays orange. Puts an orange foam ear plug onto a lead head of jig. Does he put some scent on this that they'd hold? Sent he had a note about scent on interesting man, I just wonder if they're neutraally buoyant because it's got a lead head and a foam body. He

even sent pictures of fish he's caught that way. He just threads it right on there like a soft plastic. So yeah, he uses the foam of ear plug And I don't know if he's say, I feel like sometimes people are yanking our chain. He says, he pisces on and it makes it work better. Um, he's at home cracking up that you actually said he was like it worked. Guys like to try it. The final thing on a past show is we're talking. Yeah, he was probably gone.

He probably there were you there for the Justin Schmidt. I was gone. I was sad to miss that one. I don't even have, like I don't have like a person I can like reminisce with about Well, Phil, he's here for everyone you don't want to reminisce with. I don't know that he really pays attention, you know, Okay, let me as see this Phil. According to according to Dr Justin Schmidt, uh huh, who we had on, founder of the Schmidt Pain Index. Uh does he know about?

What are his have been his findings about rehabilitating a tarantula that has been coma toast by a tarantula hawk. I do not remember Steve figured oh wait it was there was someone he knew was like trying to drop feed the transla water and and keep it hydrated. Like yeah, so they were talking about getting in between the little pincers. Yeah, So a trance La hawk is a predator, a Transula predator,

and the Transla hawk paralyze injects. The Transla paralyzes the Transla and then it uses like there's like a term I can't remember what is, like a parasite. It's like a parasit and now suster and then it lays its egg on the trantula. The tranchula stays alive. He's alive but doesn't move, and the parasite the egg hatches, and the larva is strategic about how it consumes the trantula. What's the name of this episode? Why it hurts so bad? Dr? Schmidt on why it hurts so bad? So it feeds

on it, like it eats its non essential organs. First, it's just like so dastardly, like like eats its non essential organs, and then like eats and eats, and eventually it's like, hey, I about used you up. And then they'll like eat the thing that kills it. And they've gone in um to see like well like how long how lingering is the paralysis and so they've gone and you know, it's just like this stuff you can't do to people, you can't even do this the rabbits anymore.

But they would go and like keep it the tranchula hydrated, two to see how they just watch what happened. It's so yeah, it's pretty fucked up. Yeah, so they keep it they hydrated, like keep nursing it along. You know. It's just it's the things you can get away with when it's a tarantula. But this guy wrote in and said that, um, he's got a weird, crazy aunt in Arizona and she has rescued, rescued tarantulas from Transla hawks. And she makes a little concoction of um, what she

calls bug soup. She gets crickets and window flies and she mashes them up with a little water into a little mixture and puts in the eye dropper and drips it into the mouth of the trantula. And he says it does quote it does seem to work. Um, the translate first won't drink, usually due to confusion paralysis. Then by a hair two or three it will start accepting. It takes her about three weeks to get a Transla up and running. I think we need to tell Dr

Schmidt who this person is. And uh, yeah, because the you know, she's usually able to get the translate back up and on his way. The world's mad news, and then you get a little gem of glimmer hope. There's something missing here, though, whisper How does she rid the transula of the larvae that's gonna eat it? Or is eating it? He doesn't get into that. I'm guessing she plucks it off. Why am I here? He said? Now, when she's here, you mean, like, because we could have

this first. It's just timing. You're already in the air and we're like, man, this guy's coming. It's like the wrong person. He's already connecting. It's not like city, she said. He goes down to say that when she takes so it's before the egg land because the translog gets upset when she takes the transil away. But you know, then she starts the rehabilitation program. It's great. Tell us about your podcast, Like, can you run through all the things

you do? Sure? Yeah, I'm first and foremost, like I'm a comedian. I guess I'm an actor. I'm gonna be on a new Kevin James's new Netflix show as an actor. As an actor, do what is it like? Once a comedian, always a comedian, Like, is that like the thing that if you start out as a comedian and you regard yourself as a comedian and then you start acting in all this stuff, do you get do you guys? You guys like to stick with comedian like that has more cash a you feel. I think it's more it's like

a fraternity. It's kind of like a fraternity that we're all in because everyone who's a comedian starts out in comedies somehow, and then everyone branches off somehow. Like the guy who wrote Twelve Years of Slave was a stand up comic and like he's still a comedian in my eye. Yeah, I mean so it's like I think that there's it's a very cool umbrella to be able to do a lot of different things. Like I started with stand up, now I do acting, I sell TV shows, I write.

I just started this podcast which is quickly becoming, you know, the I think the most listened to or watch things that I've ever done, which is cool. Green Eggs and Dan. It's simply going into celebrities fridges UH and getting in just an in depth conversation about their relationship to food and to eating and UH and restaurants and whatnot. But I think there's this wireistic aspect of I'm sure a lot of people want to know what your fridge looks like, Steve,

and guess what they're going to find out, you know. Um, but yeah, I think, um, you know, I do that. But stand up still remains like something that is like, you know, I'll still do it on the weekends and it's just very very It's when you feel yourself. You know, how many eggs you cycle through in a year, so like it's like a one of year. It's like an annual kind of thing. I don't know. I mean, some some guys do that. They'll they'll do a new hour

every year. I think I'm branching off more into the writing and TV developing, So for me, it's more just like getting out there for fun. Um. But uh yeah, it's uh do you just do walk on? Like what do you do? I's you know, all the clubs in l A or in New York wherever I am, I can usually walk into and they'll be they'll give me a spot you show up. Yeah, I mean, but I used to tour a ton and actually I was in Bozeman, Montana about fifteen years ago at the university. I'm forty one. Yeah, uh,

and it was a way different place. It's very like, you know, we just went to like a very hip, cool bakery and had like artisanal sandwiches and bosem in Montana. I did not think that was gonna happen. Let me guess which one you went starts with fet it I see. Yeah, it was delicious different than fifteen years ago. Different years, you know, I was only what you I was sure I was better figuring this kind of stuff out. What year would that have been. I might have been living here,

it was probably two thousand four or five. No, I was in Miles City. Yeah, I used to hear it was a different Probably debated driving over to catch the show, really, but weren't able to make I believed he really. But that's why, Yeah, I want to go. I'm gonna ask. I want to get into your get into your lineage a little bit. But first, when your stand up, do people um like I'm very very tempted right now to say, like tell me a joke, yea, that's I'll tell you

that's the equipment. I'm really not I'm really trying to not say that is just know that you're you're instinct to do. That is the same as when people come up to you and they need to tell you this hunting story. Just show me, show me a picture of their cousins, neighbors, friends, book. Yeah, same exact thing. How does that make you feel, Steve? It makes you feel like leaving the wedding? Am Um, do you do? Do you currently do the show? Um? The gazillionaiion dollar properties?

It's like a parody of property show. Yeah, it's a parody of the like a thing that you guys are like on a schedule. You just kind of do it when you do it. We did it for five years. Uh, it's it's over now, but it's still it's still playing on a bunch of different platforms. But that's on Pluto. It was, it's on Pluto now. Really, it was probably the most fun show I've ever done because it was

all improvised. It was a completely improvised show, and it was like a parody on million dollar Listing, And it was just so much fun because we got the craziest like celebrities in to be like the house owners or people shopping for houses, like Zach Alfanakis was on. I mean it was crazy. It was really really fun and the episodes are all out there. Um, if you want to watch him, I don't know. So that's done though, that's done. Now new is this this Netflix show? It's

called The Crew with Kevin James. It's about a NASCAR pit crew. Yeah, and it's a multi caam comedy. It's gonna be awesome. Really Yeah, what is multi caam comedy? I'm so glad you asked you, just like we planned before. Um, a multi caam is like you know, when you see a comedy that has like a laugh track, that's usually a multi caam. But you guys are gonna use a laugh track like, man, we actually have a real live studio audience that we filmed in front of. Ye see,

I'm not Yeah, you're not familiar with laugh track? Phil? Phil? Can you uh play the some mash laugh track? Get way here? A matter of fact, hold on, I love that last show that you remember when the laugh track is Matt because they used it and abused it. They did, they did. It was almost it was like a parody of a last Well it's the Korean War. They had to ask the Seinfeld Sefel tracks laugh track, Big Bang theory.

You don't even notice it right you're watching it. When I told my kids, you'll watch it and you'll listen to people laughing. My kids like a show that has a laugh track, And when I tried to explain it to him, they looked at me like zero company. I'm like, no, that's a record they're playing. Listen, it's the same Listen, it's the same people laughing, Like, no, it's not. We do. Actually, it's just the people that you need to be told

when to laugh. That's why you need the laughter. No, but we actually do film in front of a live audience, like two or fifty people. I swear, man, I swear, I'll show you a little video and yeah, yeah, it's wild. It's a live audience. But why multicam. It's just because there's four cameras on you, and it's it's almost like

it was a single cam. So a single cam has multiple locations and it's not just like kind of confined if you think about if you think about multicams, uh, you know the laugh TRACKIE shows, they usually have like three set pieces like Seinfeld the diner, and then like usually a third one that's like a new one. So but if you think of uh, I'm trying to think of a good single. You know, if you look like Silicon Valley or these shows, they're kind of like running.

They're like going around in the world and they're sneaking in out of places. Enthusiasm single overplay, Yeah, exactly. It's like you're just following you a fly on the wall of his life. So that's that's the main difference. Yeah, but it's a big deal for you. It's a big deal, man. It's probably the biggest deal of my career so far. It's a it's a pretty congratulate, very excited. I'm more excited to be on the Meat Eater podcast though. The

dollar the times cool. This is zero cam. That's not true. That's not true. We have all these cameras that we don't use. It are using these cameras right now, right now, zero cam, zero cam. Today. We're working on it. And but we are going to use a laugh track. Of course. I actually do have a giant bank of laugh tracks. I have no idea what but for for for me, please I would like you to pull from specifically from the mash one. Okay, got it, that's a great laugh track.

Tell me about how you came to be in the world. Uh, in the world of hunting. No, no, no, the world, the world. Oh yeah. So my wife always cracks me um because she has friends who were from Iran. Yeah, and doesn't like me to say I Ran, I Ran. What do you How do you run? I say Iran? Do you correct people? No? No, I don't care. I don't really care. I think it's weird when people say Persian because I'm like, yo, that empire is gone, not

trying to hold on like Turkish people aren't. You don't describe, so I go I I don't know. I think Persian is how they like to refer to the culture. But I Irani and American more American Iranian. But where were you born? I was born in New York. I was born New York. My parents, though, are both from Iran. And I go back like my twenty three and me like it's sent back just like a picture of like, you know, homeless. It was like your fucking Persian. Yeah.

So when did they moved here? Did they move here after the revolution or just before they saw the writing on the wall a little bit? And you don't bounce back and forth, no, man, But both yourn. I'm sorry both of my porn star parents. Now, yeah, but we're Iranian Jews, so you know, the Islamic Republic is not saw the writing on the wall. This was like like getting out of Germany. Yeah, exactly. So um so Irani and Jews and they moved to New York and they're

you know, kind of a rare breed. But um uh yeah. I grew up in a very very very Jewish neighborhood outside of Long Island, and guns and hunting were like, I mean, kryptonite. I'm sure growing up from the New York into things, I don't know. But would that be true from the from the mother country into things as well? I don't from the Jewish kind of things. It is for sure. Hunting is is not a thing. Um it's I mean, first of all, just kosher wise, it's not

kosher to eat game. No, it's not true to hunted game. Yeah, but you know what you could do? You know what the you know what the um yeah, yeah, okay. I asked the guy at hobbad House one time how you could go about having kosher wild game, and he kicked it around and got back to me, and he felt, if you caught a deer in the net, yeah, and then slit its throat and then brought it to the kosher slaughter and he split its throat and checked it

for TV and other diseases. He felt that it could be kosher wild game, but he couldn't see another way of going about it. And then you run into all these regulatory issues because you can't catch them in nets and drive them home and stuff. Now you gotta get like a net gun. Well, I mean just you just get in trouble too if you tell him like, well, I caught it a net. Yeah. Yeah, No, I wanted me to correct you there. No, it's all good, I mean, but I gotta ask. I gotta ask nothing before you

get to this. Just one last quick question before the hunting thing at that time, like when your parents emigrated, yeah, was for people for for Jews from Iran? Would it have been like should we go to Israel or the US? Well, was that like a toss up? That was absolutely the toss up. And they actually went to Israel first, and

then they decided. I think my mom told me they went to like uh, it was like a circumcision of like one of their friends kids and like and like someone like raised the baby and was like this will be the next great general of our country. And my mom was like this ship for my kids. I'm going along island she wanted to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know, we were in Sparta and we were all like Hellenic. She was like, get that, let's go back to the arts,

which is fun. And it's another thing. It's interesting though because in America, Jews in general, I feel like, are very uh anti gun Karen, would you jump on this with me, even though you told me your dad was like a closet gun guy. Yeah, um, yeah, but you don't see, you know, I feel like it's not very just living amongst my friends in New York or l A. And like the ones that find out that I have

a gun, they lose their fucking minds. Um. Which is interesting because in Israel, I think there's more gun ownership than like any other country. Yeah, I would think that. I don't. I don't, I don't, I don't. I shouldn't even speculate, but I could imagine there's more of a in Israel. There's more of a you know, more of a culture of self defense. Absolutely absolutely, um, but yeah, I mean we I feel like the Jews lost that when they came to America. So anyway, I grew up

in that this. I've never seen a gun before, never thought about having a gun before. And then I basically I went to college and I became friends with this guy Mohanned al Humadi. Hey mo um, who is the rocky Muslim guy? Where'd you go to college? Johns Hopkins? Okay, where's that? It's in Baltimore, Baltimore. Um, oh dude, it's a big medical school, it is. I was pre mad doctor. Yeah. Um but yeah, so me and me, and I was just gonna say by it, he was a hunter. He

was a hunter. He grew up and he grew up in upstate New York and only his parents immigrated from Iraq after like the Irani Rock War, so literally a war between my country and his country. He and his family emigrated. She was just primed. Seriously, you couldn't have designed two greater enemies like Shakespearean and uh so we uh we became buds and uh it's funny we had we didn't have a lot of common, but I think it's college. So like it was like, yeah, yeah, do

you smoke weed? I spoke let's be friends. So differences behind um. But he told me he was a hunter and I was like, that's fucking crazy. Why do you do that? There's supermarkets and uh. He was just telling me that he did, and I still was not There was no bone in my body that was like, I want to try this, but I want to talk about your body for a second. What was his disposure was it was his parents. So his dad was a surgeon

and he got a residency. You know, when you came from overseas to to become a doctor in America, you go to whatever city takes you. And he got a residency in Olean, New York. Do you guys are familiar with Olean, New York. It's about an hour and a half south of Buffalo, and it's it's like it's a it's hunting country. That's not far from where I grew up, that's right near the Pennsylvania Absolutely. Absolutely. The first thing you said today, Brodie Brodi, thanks for joining us. Yeah, well,

you know, it's hard to getting that word. I haven't found that to be true. I don't think it's going to experience. I'll ask you once in a while what you think about about what we just said, Brodie's overwhelmed right now because we're working on a on a book project and Brodie's uh yeah, just moved in Montana and he decided to move a couple of states and Brody's moving right, No, So carry on. Oh, by the way, I just finished your book in the plane over Yeah,

which one, the Mediator book? Fantastic, fantastic. Anyone who's listening. You gotta get your hands on that book anyway, your body Dr moh old Man lands and Olan, and you know, it's very hard to live there and not pick up hunting um that. But man, they must have thought that, like they must have been to him, the local hunting guys. Yeah, I'm super must have been, dude, come again now, Yeah, making some assumptions about their character. He is, and he's

correct about absolutely correct. I'm not saying they wouldn't welcome him. I just think there would have been pause. But from where Okay. Yeah, here's the interesting thing though. As much as they probably were like what the funk is this Iraqi Muslim guy doing in our town, that Iraqi Muslim guy was one of a few urgins in the town, so they had no choice, Like he was helping all their grandmothers and grandfathers and this and that he was so as a result, I mean his family, which is

like I think he mostly lives there. We'll get to that in a minute. But they became these kind of ambassadors for Islam in this in this little town, which is probably effective. Absolutely. I mean they you know, they they I think they built or they donated to the to the what's it called the y m c A. They're like they it's like the doctor Adel al Humadi m C. It's like a real mind fuck. But um, they became they became hunters, and they got really and

he got really into it. So Moe grew up and was a hunter and played ice hockey and all the you know, all the things that you do over there. Was he I don't mean to turn this into you know what do they have mo out? Sometimes? Was was he into um sort of like the history and the culture of American hunting where he just he just liked to go out. I mean, was he sort of like a student of it. I think, well he's become one,

for sure, He's become one for sure. He did he fish too, I mean green Lakes right there, Like I don't think you know, he wasn't he wasn't a fisherman. It was it was dear all deer all. Yeah. Yeah, they had they had a little his dad bought land in Cuba Lake, which is like right around there. And it's like, so he's they've got like a little a little mountain, a little hill that we go to every year there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's awesome. Okay, so you meet him. So I meet him, and I find it

and he's a hunter. We become we become close friends. But again, keep the hunting away from me. He's like showing me these pictures. I want to vomit, and then you know that that's naught, that is naughty staff and then we uh, you know. I moved to New York to do comedy and I get into food. I become the I just really started loving the the food world in New York City, and I became a big food nerd.

And and and I read this book The Omnivore's Dilemma, you know, this book, Michael Polo, And he had a whole chapter about like I think he was the first person who brought up he or you was the first person who brought up like, hey, you got to start thinking about this animal's life if you're gonna eat it. And I was like, man, I never because he goes on hunts pigs in California the exactly and he gets disgusted by it and all that. But he's like, I

had to do it. And so I had this real ethical dilemma of like, shit, I think I need to kill an animal. So I called Moe and I was like, I think I want to kill an animal. And he was like, I've been waiting for this phone call, an excuse to be alone with the jew and a gun. Now I'm just kidding. So at this point, he was in med school in Long Island and he was following in his father's book following his becoming a surgeon. And he was like, let's go goose hunting. You'll kill a goose.

And I was like, all right, cool, Yeah, I don't want to kill a deer, and you know, go for a smaller animal. So he's got the fucking you know, he's got the canoe and he's got all the gear and everything, and we're on Long Island and I know, I don't think you've ever done an episode in Long Island. Long Island Hunting I'll tell you why not because not because we like haven't. Yeah, but I just haven't. I've looked into a couple of It's a weird thing. I should I should say not because we have it, not

because we you know, decided not to. Well, it's just we just have it. I'll tell you. It's a weird thing that I understand. I understand. It is a strange thing though, because you so we go out in this canoe to get to the sandbar where you're allowed to hunt. Okay, I need a little more. Okay, you're we are in uh, we're in the north shore of Long Island, Okay, Port Jefferson, because like a waterfowl refuge or just just normal I don't.

I don't think so. I knew that we were allowed to hunt there, and that's where we needed to get out, and I don't know all the all the I'm not in all the right hunting terms and stuff. You can now it's not like some dudes. You're not You're you're out.

I'm saying you're out, or anybody could go hunting. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely absolutely, but you've gotta like take your boat and go past all these homes to get to this area, like there's you know, you're you're you're going past these homes and this is where they're not friendly to hunters, okay, And they suddenly see like a canoe going by and you know, a Jew and a Muslim and Camma with sucking guns and they're like, so we got we got

the fish. And wildlife was called on us all the time constantly, and we'd have to show them and it was always weird because you know, we're showing them our I d s and his is like and mine is like Dan like these weird names. They're like, what are you boys doing? Not here? So anyway we go, we set up these blinds and everybody starts quizzing you. He's like, oh, so you're hunting. We'll tell me a little bit about that. You just like fail the test absolutely, dude. I don't

even know. By the way, I had never shot. I don't know. I know it's the one that's the one that flies. I hadn't shot a gun, like, which was dumb on his part. I think to make my first shot be an animal, right, I don't know. So we get out there and uh, he sets everything up and he's like, you know, just relax, it's gonna be fine. This and that and these geese, you know, a couple couple of geese come in, which, by the way, this is my decoy. Yeah, we had decoys out. I have

a bone to pick with duck hunting and goose hunting. Oh, it's not gonna hurt my feelings. Go ahead. I mean, I love it, but I'm not gonna be Okay, here's my thing. Okay, turkey hunting, I understand. Here's I ethically and more into that, because it's like you're luring in like a horny dude, some horny dude who's like yeah, it's like some alpha horny guy, and you're doing the turkey call thing, which like translated would be like oh,

Mr Terry. And then you know, Taylor, the frat boy Turkey is like sauntering in like boom happy Thanksgiving, right he deserves like he's like he's shallow. Yeah, alpha shall like to bravado for his own good. I'm feeling it. But then I never knew why I liked hunting turkey

so much. But I think it's just this like form of justice that I that I exact upon cocky mail turkeys exactly it's like all the bullies that used to get the girls in front of me, Like yeah, kind of people who would come and try to take my

daughter out school exactly. Um. But then like I feel like duck hunting is like the opposite because like they're just hungry and you're you're going for the wayward like loser ducks who don't have a crew, and they see these ducks down there and the call the turn of the duck call or whatever is translated. It's like, hey, come here, dude, We've got PlayStation. It's funny. Here, come hang out. And then you're killing like this nerdy like

you're killing the middle school version of me basically. So anyway, the goose comes and that that's the bone to make. Anyway goose comes and I get up, I shoot and and there was like three of them in a row and one of them goes down and can I please Yeah? During like during all the set up, Yeah, are you getting the feeling from your body? Are you? Like, Man, this guy has this dialed and he's like it's going to be good. Here's the thing. Were you guys just

like Wow, here comes the goose. You know, I'm trying to get like said, you know what, I mean, you know what the expectations. I'm gonna tell you it's a little bit of both, because I don't think he'd ever done it either. But he had all he's one of those gear guys, like he's got all the gear. He's very organized, and he's also very like annoyingly like gun safety guy, which is good. I don't know that that's no. I realized it was good, but I hate it in

the beginning. Now I'm like that with people that I go hunting with. But like, he was very like, dude, don't make sure, just do not, like he doesn't want to be shot, I know, what a weirdo. And but he's like very like, you know, he's very by the book and like that, and we have it all out. But I don't think he expected them to actually come in, you know, and they come in and we get pretty freaking excited. I mean, I you know, my I get

pretty excited. You're not thinking death at this point. You're thinking you know, it's like your little reptile brain kicks in and you're like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. So you take your three shots. I take my three shots and the guy goes down. Uh, And I for some reason thought you shoot them and they die in the air, and that's it. Like I didn't expect. You know, you watch the you know you watch Steve Ronnella, and that's how he does it. But I know, I think

there's the thing people expect a binary dude. I expected that, just like there's like a miss or death. The first time I took my wife scroll hunting, she wasn't. She had thought, I'll miss or it will die instantaneously, and didn't think about the middle ground. There was a male ground. So I knew that I had shot him in in the wing and in the foot. I think, okay, because his the wing looked like a fucking open door of

a DeLorean. And and then he couldn't swim in a straight line, so I figured one of his feet was and I like almost vomited, it was so viscerally it was. It was awful. So then I shot him again and his you know, his neck went down, his head went down. And then we take the canoe out to it. We didn't have a dog or anything, and I pick up this the goose neck, and the goose neck is like pulsating in my hand. Didn't then have you grabbed him by the neck. When he grabbed him by the neck,

they did then have I couldn't do it, man. I was like, oh my god, dude, it's still live. It's still alive. And then he took it and like pretty ma internet, like he swung it like there was nothing. But yeah, man, it was so awful. And you know, then I was like, you know, okay, I get to do this thing where you felt guilt. I felt disgusted. I felt discussed with yourself. I felt discussed with myself.

I also was like, you know, it was one of those things where you ever when you go hunting with a hunter and to them, like he started like he was so excited. He was like you did it, man, good for you. And I'm just like I was not in that headstand, man. I was not in that head space at all. I was like, I want to like cry in the corner of the were maybe four hours away from that. Yeah, honestly, not even dude. I this day I went, I I so we we brought it

in and I butchered it. First of all, I wanted to try the liver because I was like, fog raw, it's gonna be like far gray. It was not like because I guess they're you know, they're not force fed. And then I couldn't this is this is gonna sound awful, but you know, the smell of the meat was so like I I couldn't eat it. It was the smell the guts are the smell of the meat. The meat. Man. I think it was just I had this whole visceral thing going on where everything was just associated. Yeah, it

was this. Everything reminded me of the experience and it just like made me so disgusted that I just couldn't do it. And then I felt guilty about how I couldn't eat the food. I mean, it was a real awful, awful experience. What happened to it? Honestly, I put, well, I like when you try to cook at how I tried to Well. I brought it to New York City. I was living in the city, and I had it in the freezer for a long time, and I just

had that I had the breast. He just breasted them out um, and I just I eventually I was like, I don't think I can do this. And I even just smell, I'm not like cooking it just man, I couldn't even. I know, I know it sounds like I sound like a little wiss And don't worry, I've eaten. I've eaten the food since then. But I like, I felt guilty, I felt gross, and I just like I put I threw them into the I threw them into the Hudson. Yeah. I was like, I can't do it.

Hopefully someone some fish will or something. I I it was, I just couldn't do it. It was up, well, how did you not? Why would that have not been the last time you went out? Like? How did you recover from that enough to go try again? It was mine over Matt. I think that Philosophically, I still was like, this is it has to be done. I have to be able to do this honestly, and I and uh. And then the next time we went out, it was we went hunting for pheasants and I got a pheasant

and where'd you guys go? Then we went in Long Island again and got the fucking thing? We got called on seriously, did you can make friends with the game wardens? They hated like you guys again? Um, But at that point I was like, so this, so I get a pheasant, I killed a pheasant and then Mo takes it again. It all excited and broly, I'm a little less on the wing. Yeah, this time I got to get shot. Yeah, thank god. I was like, please, I can't deal with

do Lorian wing again. Knocked out of the sky. Um. And then Mos like, good job. He takes it and like just puts it in my in my vest the game pouch, and you know, the thing is still in the throes of in his death throes. It's still like twitching a little bit and having that little twitch on my back. Oh man, it was. It was intense. Oh I hated it so much. But anyway, does everything seemed to twitch pulic? I can't Anyway. I was like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna eat this guy and give him

a good life. And I made a I made a pheasant ragou um. I took a recipe from the Babbo Cookbook, which is a great cookbook. I made a peasant ragout. I made yoki from scratch, and dude, it was unbelievable. And I was like, okay, now we're talking. So you didn't have the same reaction to the meat, Like it just didn't happen. It didn't happen. Do you think it was because it's more like a chicken. I think it's because it died quick. No, I think I think it

was because it died quick. I think it was because it wasn't. It wasn't my first time. You know, it's like, bat let's bring it back to sex. Your first time, it's like not, it's not the most memorable experience, and then it gets better and better. Babo. That's Battali, that is battality. You know. I was surprised to see that you you worked for a time, You did something or another at the Spot of Pig. Yeah, just close. I was an intern at the Spot of Pig. Yeah, for

for the for a whole summer. Um, yeah, I did it. Just closed, Babo. And I mean, do you know battalic because he lives in Michigan now, doesn't he He has a place of traver. He's like he's quarantined himself to Michigan. Never met him, but we used to. You know, I've been in Spotted Pig for a while and I used to hang out with April Bloomfield. I love her. She's great. Yeah, it's a bummer, man. It was such it was so depressing, but you know, I mean they had a it's tough

to bounce back from from that stuff. Um, but yeah, may y goo. I made a ragou, a pheasant ragu and it was awesome. And then eventually I thought, I was, you know, ready for deer and that is a different experience too. Man Long Island now Long Island, No, yeah, long, But we had a photographer that hunted deer on Long Island. Yeah. Yeah, there's deer in Suffolk County. Um, but no, this was

up in Mohan Ed's land in Cuba Lake. So Mo ended up becoming a surgeon in the same hospital as Dad was, and he lives up there now in that same in only in New York. So uh. I went up to him and you know, first time, I remember in your book you talked about the first time you missed a deer, which my story was like it was, I was, you know, in the tree stand and I finally see this. I'm so excited and you know, I finally see this buck. And I'm excited to like prove

myself to like my buddy and his buddies. His buddies are like it's like me Mo, and like his state Trooper buddy and the State Trooper buddies buddy. It's like this the ragtag group. And I see this big buck and he was priming me for just take a doe to day and I'm like, oh my god, I can do this, and I like aim and I can't see the guy. I'm like, what the fun was your hand when your hand open like that? Why is my hand open?

At least do like a little trigger thing. No, I have it off the trigger until until I'm ready to go hunter safety man. I was just not a convincing you know. I got the gun ready to go and uh, I like three times the guys like just kind of sauntering off, and eventually I realized that I could find the scope. I forgot to take the fucking cover off of the scope and he just got away. Um. But then the second time I went out, which is the year after I that was my season. That was that opportunity. Yeah.

And then I went back the next year and went out with with shotgun, you know, the slug, and I saw a little guy come through and my I mean, your heart just beats like insand it still does. I mean I've killed like probably sixty or not still yeah. Um, but yeah, and then I shot him. He jumped and then you know, ran a little ways and then we went and got him, and dude, that was a fucking I like started crying and ship and and again MO was like smile, I'm like, give me a moment. Um. Yeah,

but then I went to town. Man I started making so much food, like amazing, de Yeah, so how how are you handling the um? You're getting your process up where you are just bring a package meat back to your an apartment. Yeah. I got a quick question before

we get to um cooking dear meat. But did you find it odd because you started hunting as an adult, So did you find it odd that there was such emotion and like the excitement like the buck fever you know, as you probably know what you know I did because he he was explaining buck fever to me and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm pretty good in high stress situations. I'll be okay, but my hands were shaking, Dude. I it was very very hard to concentrate. It's really weird. Um, and you

so you're good in high stress situations? Me like performing, Yeah, I'm good at performing, or like I think it'd be good at like like if I get into a car accident or something like, I'm pretty relaxed. I'm not like, I don't get frantic, you know what I mean. But I got pretty fucking frantic when I saw this guy. Um, because there's a lot of things. My biggest fear was like, again, I don't want to enter this guy and then I have to like watch him, you know, you know, or

like I can't I don't find it. There was one time when I shot a deer and he and he went off into the woods and we couldn't find him for like twenty minutes, and it was it was twenty minutes after we started coming down. No, I don't, well, the thing is this twenty minutes And I freaked the funk out because the other ones that I had gotten were like, you know, they didn't go very far. Pretty good shot, Steve, Yeah, I say, there's it can get

a lot worse than twenty minutes. I know, I know. No, I'm a pretty good shot, but it was and it was close, he was close, but he just went into a bunch of thick brush. And that's long enough for you to think the worst dude, I was fucking I

was not in a good place. And again it's like that wasn't It's that's an It's an interesting thing because I wonder if it's like if it's a little bit of it is, Yes, obviously you don't want this this guy to be in pain, but also I wonder if it's just a little bit of your cave madness of like, oh my god, I just lost that on all this food. Um. Oh yeah, I don't. I don't know that it Yeah,

the cave madness. I think there's a definite thing is that you wanted it, like you wanted it bad enough to try to kill it and then it gets away. Besides the oh, man, I'm causing suffering to something, there's definitely the but I want it, Yeah, there is. It was mine, Yeah, I supposed to be mine. I want in my hand now the thing I thought I had and I don't have it. And that's a part of it. But the suffering part, man, that that's why I'm actually

it's again in your book. I think it was one of your dad's buddies who was like anti uh um, like using a bow. Eugene. Yeah, I I I sort of feel I feel the same way, like either with a bow or like a muzzleloader, like anything that makes it a little harder for us, unless you you should, you should have to take a test that shows that you're extremely proficient in those instruments. In some states you do,

do you. I can't think of any state that has a firearm proficiency test archery archery proficiency tests in the Mania. You know, you get people all riled up the many

you say that I know you that you should regulate something. No, no, not that, And I was just say the minute you get into like well the animals, most software more with archery, you know, there's it's kind of thing where anyone sort of driving a point is going to find some study that reinforces their perspective about what's painful, what's not painful,

what's fast, what's not fast? You mean, I also just think that, well, look, just accuracy wise, a Leopold's scope is gonna probably get you to the point you want to get, you know, at at the same distance then you know, just looking through your bow. Is that a simple way to Is that an awful way? Well? Obviously, um, yeah, man, if you randomly selected ten Americans, yeah, and they had to kill deer and your goal was to have these

randomly selected individuals kill these deer quickly. The thing to do would be to give them a scoped rifle, right, But just there's it's there's a lot less you need to know. Yeah, to perform at like a proficient level at short distance. Yeah. Absolutely. I've seen people shoot a firearm only five or six times in their life and then successfully kill a deer at close distance. You're not going to get that, Yeah, absolutely. You can get it with a cross bowl with a little bit harder, but yeah,

you're just not gonna get it with the bowl. Yeah. There's so much more to learn and so many more things that can go wrong if you can. More power to you, But I just think that the you should respect that you know, the skill level that you need to have for that thing, because man, it must suck to be a deer that just gets winged by a you know, in the leg and then he's fucked for

the whole. Yeah, it would seem so um Yeah. But then so it's funny because then I started really getting into hunting, and uh started looking for content on hunting, which is kind of when I discovered you, because all the content that search look like for you, I'll tell you would It looked like I would go on YouTube and I would type in hunting videos or whatever, and it was all really had it narrowed down, Look, dude, it was it was all just like these guys would

just put up videos with like death metal in the background, like shooting a deer, and then they'd show it again and like slow motion like the head exploding, and I'm like, funk, man, this is why isn't there? And then and then and then here will come along dude, you'r And then I started I was like, oh, this is like a thoughtful dude who's smart, who was talking about hunting in the in the way that that this is. This is the blue collar bourdain right here. And I was so into it. Man.

I mean it's still is so into it, but it kind of it gave me. It was it was this moment of like, Okay, cool, I I there's a team out there that I'm that I'm part of. It's not just mo yelling yelling over dead carcasses, being like small for the camera. Um, but yeah, man, I just in general that I I don't think that I would ever have met more people that I would never more people

from different backgrounds, from different political leanings. I probably it's probably affected the way that I think about a lot of politics. Uh, you know, than I ever did. It's it's affective the way you think about politics. Absolutely, absolutely, Um, beyond the obvious. Uh yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean exposure to other people. I mean, look, dude, we go. When I say the obvious, I mean, like the obviously are like political subjects or political issues that are directly

related to hunting. Um, yes, more than that, but but yes, let's go. Let's let's start there. Though. I mean, I think that there's a lot of people that see, you know, a school shooting, and they're like, no one should have guns. And I'm like, guys, it's it's it's it's different, it's a little more complicated. That's no, there's no fucking reason any you know, I live in Hollywood. Yeah yeah, so it's like there's no reason for you lived in Brooklyn.

So it's like the same ship. I mean, it's just it's it's weird how how you just realize how ignorant people are to the other side in general, and both ways, absolutely both ways. And I think that it's funny because I end up getting into a lot of these conversations because people assume, oh, Jew from New York, he's gonna, you know, he's going to have a certain way of thinking, and uh, in a way I have to. There's a lot of educating that needs to be done, especially in

l A like with environmentalists and stuff. When they're like, how dare how could you kill? I'm like, more money goes to you know, my my hunting license pays for more you know, environmental preservation than then your little fucking clipboard that you're collecting names outside the whole foods? Does uh have you found have you found that that's effectively? No? Absolutely, I think I think I like to see what you mean. Bro, you're totally right. Uh, does being um your vocal about

hunting here? You know, I haven't been. I haven't been very I've never like posted any pictures any hunting pictures. You're talking about it right now, this is this is me coming out at the closet right now. That's my big coming out party. So you're active on social media? Yeah, if you don't put anything about hunting or deer or anything on social media? Rarely I I did some It's funny we. Uh. I got a deer this year and I wanted to do I wanted to cook up a

bunch of the organs. So I did a video of that. But it was just like from the kitchen, like cooking, cooking up the organs. It's funny. I fucking I messed up one of your recipes. I most have read it wrong. I was no, because I I took the balls off. So here's the funny thing. I killed this deer this year. And it's me Mo and Dean with anyone besides no, absolutely not. It's me Mo and Dean the state trooper. It's the three of us, okay, and which is it's

like the holy trendy. It's like a Muslim of jew and a Christian walk into you know, public lands and uh, you know they're both very like, yeah we did. And I'm like, all right, guys, I need the balls off of this off of this deer. And they're like what what. I'm like, we're gonna eat the balls. And I've already introduced Dean and a bunch of his like red nicky friends to parts of the deer that they would never eat, like heart, and you know which, they fucking love heart.

How heart is so easy to love by the way, I think it's the most unsung hero of the you know, of the or of the deer organs. It's delicious and they know, I mean they you know, they don't like it's delicious, And I think I the organs for me are like my favorite part. I want, you know, the

organ's gotta eat him quickly. But once I was leaving mos and going to New York City and I took the heart and the liver and put them in you know, like a little styrofoamp thing, and brought them to the t S say, went through security, and like did they take a look? Yeah, they take a look heart and or it looks like a human heart. Like it's not hurry out, man, I gotta go. I gotta get this to exactly. This is not long after nine eleven and there's an Iranian guy coming in with like human organs

and like, ammo on him. Oh man oh. And I got busted once at JFK with my shotgun because I didn't know they're not allowed to have to bring long guns to I thought, I you license. I didn't know you had a license to bring a long gun to. Yeah. Through JFK. Whe Where were you storing the gun? I was gonna so Mo where I've got some questions from Moe.

Was gonna listen. He's gonna be like, No, Mo, Mo God bless mo birthday present, buys me a shotgun, a beautiful but Nelly Monta feltro, and uh, I'm taking this thing to Long I was like, I'll bring it to my parents house in Long Island and then I'll go in the city. But I land in JFK and they're like, what is this. I'm like, it's my shotgun. Like you can't have schocolate, I'm like and I'm like on high and money. I'm like, actually, you're allowed to have long guns.

You don't need a license for a long gun. And they're like, uh, in fucking New York City, you do. And I'm like, oh no. And they bring these two cops over and they're like, what the fun is going on here? I'm like, I'm sorry, I didn't know that you need a license. And you know, I look the way I look. I look, you know, like a fucking Woody Allen character, Like what are you doing with the fucking shotgun? I'm like I'm a hunter, Like what are you like the latest, like an old Jewish lady working

a delta. She's like, what are you doing this for? What's the point? So now I have to like go through the ethics of hunting with the fucking two Italian cops and the old Jewish lady at delta. Oh, it's hilarious, that's the thing they remember hearing about. Um. They're being like legal challenges to that because a lot of people it's very common for people to accidentally. You have some guy lives in Pennsylvania, right, yeah, and he buys a plane ticket out of JFK, connecting his whole damn life.

He's like drove to the airport and went off to hunt deer at his uncle's house. And he shows up the JFK just like another day at the office, and all of a sudden, Yeah, they send it to a very very common problem. Is it really? It's wild, man, like I said, because it just would never a lot of people would like never occurred to him that that would be the case. And then it's not standardized. It's like there's three airports it's like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Newark,

JFK and LaGuardia. It's tough traveling with a gun in New York City. Um, are you worried about hunting screwing you over? Man? Like being in you know, in the in show business and everything, like the people will find out that you're a hunter and in the work will dry up. I don't, I don't know, man, I think that I don't think so. I think that, you know, God bless Joe Rogan in some ways, because I think he opened it up a little and made it a

little more acceptable. And I think that also since I've kind of had this like uh, this food career come out of you know, come out of nowhere, I think I get a little bit more of a pass. But it's yeah, I definitely have some people who don't want to come to my house anymore because they know that

I have guns there, you know. And then I have to bring out the stats like well the house with the swimming pools actually more data, and I'm like a fucking you know, spinning off like NR A talking points um. But it's uh, it's weird, man. I get it though, because I used to be that. I used to be these guys like anytime I hear someone had a gun, I was like, oh, this is a different human being from the type that I would like to interact with.

What did your parents think about your whole transformation? Uh? Not thrilled? Not thrilled. Um. Have they eaten any of anything? No? No, no, no, no, they wouldn't. They're also like they're still kosher, so they would know, but they just think it's they just can't understand, Like they just can't believe it. A little boy, we didn't escape. How many for this to happen to him? Do they are? They like like IROLLI half joke and irolly,

or they like legitimately pissed. They're not legitimately pissed, but they're like, we don't want to hear about this. Just leave that part of your life to yourself. What's their association? I mean in their mind? What's what's they're like? I think they freak out every time that they can imagine me going out with a gun. What do they think about? Mo? Mo? It's funny, mo? And is The funny part is that most probably is the first Muslim friend that has ever entered,

you know, our family. I'm the first Jewish friend. Yeah, And I'm the first Jewish guy who's entered his family. His parents are my parents and my parents are like his parents, Like there's such a love between our families. And oh, you mean so they like each other. Oh, my parents are like friends with most parents. Like I tell you mean that they're I think they're very similar. Um, no, they're they're very Uh well they're both. There are similar

in that they're they're all Middle Eastern. But you know, there's the Jewish Muslim divide, which you don't find old school, you know, Iranian Jews friends with any Muslims, any any Arab Muslims. You just don't. And you don't find many Arab Mulis Muslims who are friends with Iranian Jews. Uh. And it's uh, you know, from the old school. I

think second generation it does so. But I'm you know, I hate to get all like you know, uh, you know, kumbaya about it, but I seriously think that in a in a big way, hunting kind of brought us us together, was like such a common ground that that made us into best friends. That there's something about a hunting buddy. Man.

It's like you've you know, I'm not going to exaggerate and say you've been to war together, but man, we've done some fucked up ship that I've never done with you know, other people like gutting a deer in the dark and while you're freezing, and it's an accelerated courtship. Absolutely. I want to ask you a couple of questions about um, show business and career in sort of the way. Yeah, personal life comes into it. You look at someone you mentioned,

Joe Rogan. Yeah, but uh, he's I don't want to say he's untouchable, but everything he's done is organically built. But he doesn't he doesn't need um. The normal gatekeepers don't apply absolutely right, Like you look and be like who, Like if someone's mad at him or someone's displeased with something he's done, what do They can't stop him from publishing his podcast. The UFC isn't gonna mess with him. He's still gonna be a great stand up like he's

and it's not accidental. He just got himself. He's like created a position for himself where it's like, come on, come on, I don't give a ship like I'm doing my thing. Um. People you know, like like like Chris Pratt, like pretty outspoken hunter. Yeah, someone outspoken Hunter, but he is like he depends on studios wanting to engage with him. Um, So when I asked you like about that, do you

are you fearful, like, like in a serious way. Do you ever think like or is it just sort of a very uh Middle America perspective that Hollywood would blacklist the hunting guy or is that is that ridiculous? I don't think that. Look, if I walked into work with a MAGA hat, that would probably happen. Fact, you know what I mean. Hunt Absolutely, I think you can get away with you can get away with hunting. Um, if you're cooking, if you're a chef, think I think, but

I don't think that it's as it is stigmatized. But it's not. I don't think it's enough of a to be a deal breaker. And also, to tell you the truth, now that I'm on this new show that's a NASCAR show that has a Nascar audience, I have a feeling That's why I think I'm a little uh, you know, more willing to come out of the closet about it. Oh yeah, you know, not a judgment, No, not at all. I mean I'm sure it's gonna be a big hunting crowd that watches that show. Um, what's your role in

the show. So it's about a NASCAR pit crew, Like, who who are you? And I'm gonna I'm getting to it. I am the chief engineer of the pit crew. Are like a nerd? Yeah, it's my favorite. I get to play a nerdy, a nerdy like socially awkward chief engineer. It's like, it's the best. Did you have to learn a lot of terminology? You know? Look, I went to Hopkins, I was premd. I you know, I it's not it's not that out of my wheelhouse. You can do a little tech talk when you can do a little tech talk.

If I need to do some tech talk, I could do some titilating tech tech talks. See that. I listened to your podcast, Bro, I knew that was one of the words. You're you know a word we don't use. What's that alliteration? Really? Which is titilating? Alliteration is a good one. You're here has use that word? Un No, I like it. Um, So, how did you become so so well read and all that stuff is it's just just yourself just being like I feel like I'm just

going to fucking learn everything I can learn. Well, I did a lot of I got to do a lot of reading. UM. I appreciate you just asked me a question. Uh no, I'm not too crazy about it. I'll tell you the answer. No, because I went to when I went to graduate school, it's supposed to be two year program, but took me three years to get through. And you already even if you do it two years, it's like

basically just go there and read. It's like writing. It's a writing program, but you just read, um, and you get to read a lot, and you're around people who are exciting about reading. And I had always read a lot and and had good, you know, like like somewhat good retention about it. But um, it was in that culture of uh you know, just like several years of

like very intensive reading. Um. And I think I learned things from that because I remember, like leaving to go to graduate school, I realized I had never read, I never read anything approaching literature. And I remember dedicating a summer to trying to get through James Joyce's Doublin Nurse because I sure as hell was going to read, Uh what's this? Yeah? Yeah, I was like, oh, so he's

got a little short book. He couldn't get through it because I was like, all I've ever read was like just stuff about nature, like nature stuff, history, mountain man history stuff, Davy Crockett stuff. I just read all that books about how to trap um and I remember thinking, like, man, I got a bone up, and so I really like tried very hard to get my way through Dubliners to prepare for like a life of literature. Okay, yeah, but

you know what it's like. I've friends who have gone to grad school and they don't become like what like how you've become. And it's interesting. Reading your book was very interesting to me because I was like, Okay, I'm gonna read that his dad was a professor or something, and like this was just something that like, you know, even though they grew up around the woods, like you know, he was always and that wasn't the case. I mean, I didn't know that you were like trying to be

like a professional trapper. I was like, holy fuck man, this guy, he he you can most people can't just reinvent themselves as a fucking good writer. Well yeah, but I think, yeah, think about too. Um is in some ways this is true of me, And you're honest ambroty here in some ways right now. I mean it's like we effectively think about and talk about this stuff for a living, right, So that's you know, you're devoting a lot of time to it, like the subjects, you know,

not so much for writing them down. But it's just you wind up kind of getting where I think you wind up getting where you You just you have the luxury of getting to immerse into something, um and really surround yourself, surround yourself with people who are equally immersed.

And I did that and I got and I was able to do that for a while with when I went to school for writing, and then coming out of that, all my friends are writers and you're just like immersed and that kind of like gradually segued into you know, I always had that focus in the outdoors, but then why not becoming very immersed with people who think about hunting all the time and think about fishing and write about it and make their careers about it. And then it winds up just has this snow I feel it

has this like snowballing effect. Right, You're just able to devote an enormous amount of time and attention to something yeah, absolutely, um, which I'm sure it is true, and many many other disciplines. We had the other day, we had the insect guy on right spend his whole career mess around insects, and you can get you can stray pretty far from his focus and ask some questions about bugs and he knows what you're talking about. And you're like, how in the

world do you know? And they're like, oh, yeah, because he liked me, spent twenty years dealing with these sort of same sets of ideas. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. I mean it's I have a buddy, um, Josh Healed. He's uh. He wrote the movie Hot Tup Time Machine, and he's one of the writers of Cobra Kai this show, and he he always says, I hate writing, but I love being done with writing. Yeah, that's a there's a that's a that's a there's many versions of that. Yeah, he

didn't come up with that, didn't. You're on bad Um do you feel the same way? Oh? Absolutely. I think it's just like like, I hate I hate writing words, I hate writing. If there's nothing like being done with Do you know the writer Ian Fraser, I don't think he's a New Yorker writer. He wrote a book called Great Planes, History of the American Great Plane, phenomenal book.

He was saying when he was young and he wanted to be a writer, like he always grew up reading The New Yorker, and he said, like when normal kids draw like monster trucks and whatever, he would draw like a person with a Martini glass. But he said, like he always imagined, Oh, current, I have my look at my shirt, shout out to check. He sie, you ever go to Austin? This is where you ought to eat? Oh yeah, you should hang out with Jesse Griffith's actually,

who's Jesse? He's no Mo, He's no. He's a hunter in Austin, Texas. He has a restaurant. He teaches a lot of people. You guys would actually, you guys would be like nuts on a dog. I bet you. I think you guys just love each other. Man, Um, yeah, I think I remember was he on here? Or yeah? Yeah, he's been on the show. You'd love that guy. Yeah, he seems interesting. You guys hit it off. He's got a good cook. But you know, for sure, what was

that getting at though? Um? We were talking about writing, and then we were talking, Oh, girls can tell you a good writing quote. Yeah, Um, how's it go? It's like I'm gonna paraphrase the writing quote, but it's uh some about like working on a book. It's like driving somewhere at night where you can only see as far as your headlights, but you just keep going and going and going and going, and eventually you get there. Yeah, and that's miserable. There's yeah and yeah without a GPS.

Because I think it's like there's so much potential for wasting fucking hours and hours of hours, and the amount of stuff that you write and you just throw out is just like it's just wasted neurons. Well, I mean it's not wasted because you you have to get through that stuff to get to the good stuff. I work, um lately on a couple of projects. I've worked with Brody here as a writing partner, and Brodie's I mean it's fair to say you're aself taught writer. I mean yeah,

I mean I studied writing it an undergrad state. Yeah, not like it's near, nowhere near approaching what you did, but yeah, a little bit enough. Um, he writes very like there's a there's not a writing quote. R J. Apple. I think no one or I can write better than anyone that can write faster than me, And I can write faster than anyone that can write better than me. That's good. That's Brody a little bit. Yeah, Brody's like just fast. Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of weight.

He doesn't like write whole pages and then be like yeah, wow, hey he plays right writing for keeps. Yeah, I don't like rewriting ship. Here's there's another quote that is actually not attributed to writing. It's attributed to Napoleon on you know how he won so many wars. But it's basically I think it was quantity as a quality unto itself. I gotta think about it. Oh yeah yeah, And I think with writing that is so important. You just have to fucking keep cranking stuff out right. Here's a writing

quote from a teacher. Hey, spin off podcast writing quote from my tenth grade mentor. Yeah, um, if you're counting the words, you're right. We'd be like, how long does it need to be for the assignments? Yeah, if you're counting the words, you're right. You're not writing words you count I've later found out that's not necessarily true because being a magazine better they never really like hold you

two word counts. Yeah, and then you are like, yeah, we should tell that teacher for those who can't teach. That's his quote on Sorry, Mr Eden, you're better just turn turned everything off, shut it down. My career is over after this podcast comes out. In my notes and things, I wanted to ask you about why do I have down? Yeah, giving gourmet game to hardcore hunters who can't cook. I like that a sentence. That's not even a sentence, but said, no,

that was you know, Dean. Dean is the state trooper. Him and his buddies, um can't cook. They can't cook at all. And they think that tell me the same. They're always like, dear, tastes horrible. I'm like, guys, it doesn't. I'm telling you. And I made them the last time. I took a bunch of ground deer and I made like um. I made like Persian sausages, Persian kebab out of them um, which is basically, you ground up the meat, you have to mix it like you grind, you grind,

you grind, you grind the meat. You want a seventy thirty fat to lean right. So I got a bunch of beef tallow mix that in and then you want to put a bunch of onions, ground grounded up onions in there, and then some spices, and then you cook it really low, so the onions caramelized within the kebab, and you skewer these meat balls. I just made them look you kind of make them look like little like long fingers, like a sausage on a stick. It's yeah.

And then you put no casing and then you know, you put some tumeric in it, you put some sumac on it, you know. Uh, And these guys never had to bush. I've had more of that than you can you will ever have your horrile life. But I don't know what that is. I know, like sumac, you know, poison suma? Actually, yeah, so there's a berry and you dry it out and then you turn into a powder. Yeah, and it's used as um. It's used aes like if you go to like Persian households, it's like salt pepper sumac.

I got some at home. I'll bring it for you tomorrow. Yeah, I would appreciate that. But now, are you sure that it's the same poison sumac that litters American roadways in the Midwest. I don't know. Actually, I don't think it's poison sumac. I think it's I think it's just as it's just sumac. Is that is that? Am I? I think so many I'm guilty not, I mean, I know, like, yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with our sumac. I've never heard of someone eating Have you ever collected and dried your own? No?

I haven't. I do fennel pollen though, every spring. Yeah that's awesome. So it's expensive. Yeah, do you do any of that? Do you do any of the foraging? The foraging for I'd forage for the real standards like like what like I like Morrel's oyster, mushrooms, bleats, ramps, ramps, Oh man, I like you know, blackberries, you know, like the Yeah. I tend to focus on the stuff that's just good, like really good. Um, you're excited to have it. Not laborious now that I have a problem with it.

If I didn't, if I wasn't into hunting and fishing, I'd probably be a whole hog into that and I would be making acorn flour and but um. I tend to focus on the bountius exceptionally good things that if you were in a story, you'd be almost tempted to buy them kind of items and easy to spot with mushrooms. I think anytime you're like is this poisonous or not, you should just not. Yeah, my brother is fairly good. He's pretty good mushroom guy. Um so I've kind of,

you know, leeched off him a little bit. I went last year for the first time, I joined the l A Mycological Systems and be married. Now I have a girlfriend. Did you meet here that after you heard that I do the LAEL Are you gonna die alone? Bro? No? Not at the l A picture a shrewd. I could picture a shrewd single person joining that society with motives other than mushrooms, just to be like, I wonder if no, my girlfriend is a she's an actress in l A. She's an l A actress. Well she eat, dear me,

she will. I mean, she grew up in Kentucky, so she's a hillbilly. She's a little hillbilly. She's got some of that in her. Um So she's like, she's totally fine with the hunting. She's fine with yeah, which is cool, man, because that's hard to find in in a lady in l A's thing. About her. Mo loves her Man Mo is a surgeon now in Upstate, New York, and he takes all of his fucking money and just goes on these sheep hunts that are like fifteen thousand bucks. He's

an international sheep. Yeah, he's trying to get that thing. What's it called the Grand Slam. I mean, I'm a turkey, your turkey Grand Slam Slam, Super Slam, Super Slam. It's better than Grand whoa dude, if you were single, that would that that fun factor get you laid so hard.

We had a guy sending a picture of a tattoo or he had the country like he had like America tattooed on his arm, and he had little Turkey tracks tattooed where he fulfilled his super Slam okay, and then he had the different feathers tattooed on his arm, and um, I like, you know you, as Julian, appreciate this. I'm untattooed, okay. And I thought about and I thought about, I half jokingly half seriously thought about getting something similar. Didn't do it.

The sheep Grand Slam thing. One of the sheep he said, there's like a world Yanna used it he's used you pretty good about this. Tell everybody, Johnie what Yeah, well there's a North American yeah, which is just four, which is the fourth sheep that you can kill here. But he might be going all over there, he's going all over He was just in like, uh of, what's it called, right next to Italy, northeast of Italy the Mediterranean. Yeah, Spain, No, Croatia, Croatia.

He was in Croatia to do this. He went to the Alps and then he went to Alaska. I think he's doing one in Texas. I don't know what your body's off to you, but it doesn't have anything to do with Texas. Hold on, here's the Texas one. And this is one not to ask you about because this seems ill not legit to me. Texas. One of these sheep is like a like it's like an Armenian sheep or some ship, and it's like in Iran. And because it's hard, you can't go to Iran to hunt or

it'll it'll, you know, it's hard. Some dude in Texas apparently has these sheep and it's still counts with the for the Grand Slam, Like apparently it still counts for the grants, probably through Safari Club. It does. Yeah, Oh your sellout bro doesn't count. No, I'm not down on mo. I like mo better not like you. Mo is Mo is so jealous that I'm here right now. He's like, you don't even know anything about hunting. You don't even know what it's three six is man. Well, it's not

like we're like, give us your tin hunting tips. Dude. That by the way, you know what, since Steve asked, come on, give us your top three hunt top three hunting tips. Oh please, I'm not even joking. Are you serious? I would love to hear it. It's a good idea. Top three hunting tips. Okay, here's a fun one. Clear the leaves out of the tree stand before you get in there, because they'll just rustle the russell the whole time. Um, that's not that's Dan's hot. To take your scope cover off.

The scope cover off is number one. Um, and I would say this isn't really a hot hot tip, but use those organs. I made a pete once out of the Heart and the liver bro. It was so delicious, it was crazy delicious. The technical chef, I mean pretty dabble dabble. Yeah, um. And also I would say this don't be so this is five insertion, here's going there's no limit. Here's my pet peeves, here's my pet peeve.

Were moving on from tips and the pet peeves. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna turn into a tip because Okay, whenever, whenever, there's no point in life that I get more anxiety than and I have to walk into like a gun store, like a hunting store, or like a shooting just because you're like, I don't have any idea what's in here.

I just feel like they love to make you feel stupid, Like if you say the wrong if you referred to the to the shell as a bullet or a bullet as a shell, They're like, you don't even know what the terminology is. I'm like, there's like a all like

Napoleon dynamite kinda, And I fucking hate it. And I'm like, yo, if you're trying to get people to, you know, be on your side about hunting or guns or whatever, be nicer, Be nicer to people who don't know about them, and don't assume that everyone knows what the thirty odd six is. You know, Yeah, it's I hate it. Walking into the Apple store. Yeah. Well, but they're nice to you there.

They're nice. They're wearing their shirts like yeah. But listen next, when when I go into these gun stores and they give me I'm not like rubbing into their face that I know organic chemistry and they don't. I'm not like, what h four messing you idiot? You don't know anything. But that's the vibe I get at those places. Man, so hot tip, be nicer to non gun people. Can I give you a hot too? Oh God, it's about walking into gun store please. Okay, I have found I've

talked about this before. I've found a strategy in life of dealing. Um, it's a start conversations like that with I'm just a total dumbass, right. Yeah. And I think when I used when I talked about this before, the context was having a plumber come over having a problem with I couldn't figure something out, and the plumber comes over, and instead of being in a swinging dick contest okay, instead of being like, well I almost got it licked, you know, but whoever plumb this thing? Right? Instead of

doing that, I think the solderings off. Yeah, I'm like, you know what, man, I'm just a total dumbass. I try to take it apart. I don't know what I'm looking at you. Oh buddy, let's take a look. It's just everything. And if you come in, if you go into your local gun store and you say, just starting out, total dumbass. Um. I've been out a few times. I left my concealed carry at home. But you know, what can you tell me? Now? Man? I walk into see

how walking, dick swinging? I call everyone, chief, where you keep the good stuff? Chief? Hey? Doing? No? I think you should try that in your local guns. Yeah, yeah, I think then they will take more of a paternal view. I do find that gun stores in UH cities are usually I don't know, they're even meaner than like gun stories like the one in Olan that we have You ever been in John Javino's gun shop. That's the meanest gun store in the world. It's like, there's a gun

store in Manhattan. It's in Manhattan. No, but the one in at least the police use it to buy, like buy their weapons. You can do ffl ffl transfers. You want to talk about players who are very mean? Do you like very annoyed that you're in there? I hate it. Like that's different because that's like I feel like it's like it's like law enforcement v. Civilian. Yeah, it's not like you know, but even then the law enforcement in you know, Olean or you know Upstate New York is

totally for their civilians having guns, like they're fine. Well, I don't mean in that way. I just mean that like pross like professionally trained, you know, and these are services, you know, they're dealing mostly in service weapons. And then you come in and you're like your elm or fund right right right right. It's just it's just it's not cute. They don't think it's cute. Yeah, oh man, it's yeah. It's not like you shouldn't be allowed to if anything is.

It's the opposite of that. But it's just it's condescending. I hate it. I hate it. But try that approach and going stories and also, um, do you don't do you live in a place where you can sort of develop a relationship with some people at your going you know, I don't. Here's the thing. I don't go shooting that

much that I need that. I don't think like I have a I do have a I have a handgun at home for personal for you know, But I got a revolver just because I didn't want to have to keep going to the range to exercise the spring on a on a semi automatic. Wow, you know your stuff of man, this is why he winds up in the showdown. When I lived in Seattle, there was there was I did most of my sport, like most of my sporting goods purchases and my firearms transactions from a place called

Outdoor Emporium. And there was a guy there, Brian, that I liked a lot, and I would come in and like be like, where's Brian? And I would text Brian to be like are you at work? Brian's looking at his phone, rolling his eyes like like are you down there? He's like I'm here, Like I gotta come down, and I'll come down. I was like, deal with a guy, Deal with Brian. I liked. I liked, get it, I get it. They're very actually they're very nice to me.

At Whitetail, which is the store in Oleen, which is the one that mogoes to because he's the mayor of Oleen. So I'd walk in there even without him because he'd be like, Hey, I'm friends with Dr Alhumi And it's hilarious because it's like it's this like super red necky guns though, and they're like, oh, you know Dr l Maddie Carpet exactly. You mentioned the Arab guy's name, and they're like, Dr Who Maddie did my nee scope? Like they all know, and then they're probably like I thought

there was something about you and him, but yeah, never mind. Yeah, man, hey, you never know. I'd be open minded. I want to ask you the last question. It was something that that you had mentioned to talk about maybe didn't um gun safety? Gun safety? Yeah, so this was are you paranoid? You know,

I'm very paranoid now any accidental discharges? It was a part of one UM and it was you're not gonna believe it was with I was with Mo and uh, you know, I always would give him ship for like you know, he's always like make sure that everything is out of the chamber and like me all you know, he does he really sound like that? No, not at all. He's very educated guy, and he's you know, just like always pointing in the right direction and it's not which

is obviously totally normal. But then when I'm like trying to load load my gun. He like he didn't have faith in me, you know, so he was trying. He's he micromanaged the situation. So he had We were going turkey hunting, which I've never I've never gotten a turkey. I've gone a couple of times that in his same little yeah yeah um. But honestly, when we go, it's like ramp season. So the first light comes out and like, I see the ramps and I lose my sh um. But yeah, so I think his hands were on on

the shotgun. My hands were on it, and boom it went off. I don't understand you're both handling the same yep, because he's instructing uns on something. Yeah, and I think I was like, dude, I got it. And it was a little bit of pulling and pushing and boom it went off. And he's like, here's how to do this safely and you're like, no, it's not it, No you don't. So it's like a combination of me, uh not my ego and then his distrust of me, you know, together and it was it went off. I mean we were

in between. You know, it's shot in front of us. But scary, very scary. Oh, I've been witness too. I mean, in all honesty, I've probably been witnessed in a lifetime of of gunplay. I've probably been witnessed to in excess of a dozen counting being kids. Dude, we're kids. That's why I like muzzle control. It's like, if you know, we're remember walking up my mom like the steps from my mom and dad's house to the garage and my buddy Brian burrowing in a twenty two shells next to

my knee into the grass when we're high schoolers. But I mean, thankfully that even though people didn't have good trigger control, they had good muscle control. And I've never I've never been I've never seen I know, you've seen any seen anything that I would even call a holes call. Yeah, which is it's like a two tiered thing. It's like it shouldn't go off, but then there's sort of if

it does, what are you doing? When I review the times I've seen accidental discharge, I look and I'm like, I don't want to say the system, you know, I'm reluctant to say the system worked, but the system worked, and that people were conscious of what they were where the muzzle was. Yeah, I mean what they're doing. All you need to do is combine those two slip ups. So you combine the muzzle control, you make that mistake

and then the handling mistake. And it's when those two things, like in those split seconds and those two things line up, is when you have trouble. But I can spend days. I might spend days out hunting with a couple of friends and reviewing it my mind, if they're seasoned people reviewing my mind. There was never a moment when had a gun had sort of like God made a gun go off. There's never a moment when it would have struck somebody because people are being very conscious about what

they're doing and where they're pointing. Yeah, so it's like like, you know, negligent discharge, accidental just you know in the Marines are it's like this thing like there's no such thing as a negligent discharge or how's it going. No, there's no such thing as an accidental discharge. It's always a negligent negligent discharge. So it's scary as hell. But I do all think like you're like, that was close, and I'm like, but thankfully it wasn't closed because the

other components of safety thankfully were in place. I'm in no way excusing that happening, but I've just seen it happen. Now, how many times have you seen to happen? Not that many, but not a dozen. No, I don't know handful. Yeah, I've seen you see it happen. That's right. Yeah, does

that mean you did it? I think in the beginning, I think it was very hard for me to understand when there was a um a shell in the chain, like if you if you've cycled everything out and once like an idiot, I was like, I think I got them all and I pointed up to shoot the shotgun and boom, and I was like, oh no, I didn't. There was one in there. You know. MO lost his ship again, which he should have. But then after that I took a hunter safety. Of course, I was like,

I need to learn to rain this ship in. I'll tell you hot to um what if this is for Mo? The next time you start out a person, MO, give him a break open gun. Oh like a yeah, my little boy he now has his own four ten. Yeah he's nine. I'm gonna pretend like I know what a four ten is. But yeah, so it's like the smallest shotgun. Okay, got it. So I'll let me tell you a couple of little tips tips here. You know gauge is right, yes, okay, yes, okay,

twelve gauge. Yes, we've covered this extensively. I do, yes, yes, I I keep learning and then I sort of forget. But I kind of know, Phil, you're asking for my if I know what a toll gauges. I just want someone to say no so I can tell, because I like telling you. Okay, tell it. No, no, No, I don't twelve gauge. You take that diameter, the barrel diameter, twelve lead spheres that size make up a pound. Twelve leads spheres that there is a twelve gage, twenty gauge.

It takes ten lead spheres that size to make a pound. Four ten sorry, yeah, four ten is the only is a four ten is an exception to this to the gauge system. So it would be like, you know, just twenty eight not common, but there are twenty eight gauge, sixteen gauge, twelve gauge. When you buy shrimp from a grocery store, they measure it the same way too. Engages. Well, it's how many how many shrimp. Yeah, shrimp count so you know. Um yeah, great, smaller the number, the bigger

the shrimp. There you go. Uh, A four ten is like point four one oh of an inch diameter shotgun. Got it. Uh. If someone were to say to you, I'm gonna get a fifty gage shotgun and shoot you, that's a very small shotgun, right, that would be a baby gun. Um. We should get MO on the phone and ask him why he didn't give me that guy. But I'm just just just a hot safety tip for listeners. I bought my nine year old a four ten that just breaks open. There's no like wondering what's going on.

It's perfect. When he approaches people, I'm like, open that thing up. Click, it's open, Like anyone can see what's happening when you open it and look, there's no way to be confused about whether this thing's loaded not loaded? Is there still one in there? It just is a great way to start people out. Yeah, there's a button you hit and it hinges open and it's for the whole world to see what is happening inside that shotgun. Perfect. Yeah, it's it's a lot. Even when I've get him like

a little bolt action twenty two of the magazine. In it, I'm very paranoid about like what he's doing, and he, you know, like he opens it clos I'm like, whoa, stop, what are you doing? And I need to look? Did he like inadvertently rack one. You know, it's funny. As someone who didn't grow up hunting, I'm a little like like kids and guns. It's still I think gives me a little bit of it. Should Yeah, you know, I was just shooting with my oldest this weekend and it's

nerve racking. Yeah, how does he she's nine? Sorry eighty? Yeah, I tell my kid, I say, like, very like explicitly, I'll tell him like you can mess up with that and kill your brother. Yeah. Wow, you break it down like that. Yeah. I try to make it like like the gravity of what we're I don't want them to be any confusion about what we're talking about. Yeah, I mean that's you should good. It's like we don't how someone could get hurt five seven and nine, five seven

and nine. Yeah, you just paint a picture high. You're just like you're gonna It's like it's not like as impactful as you might imagine. When I do say this but I do like to. He's just like, is that a bad thing? He's pretty annoying. Yeah, but now I've become a hunter safety Nazi. I'm like crazy about it. It's good. Yeah, which is the way you should be. I'm glad to have I'm glad to have you in the um brotherhood and sisterhood. Yeah, it's a good way

to put that family. It's good to be in the family. And it's good to be in the family. Uh, and have a conversation with the with the guy that that you had had a big deal with me staying in. It's really great to have Mo in the family. Mo Is. You know, fun Mo man, this is about most killing a fake sheep so he could get a fake title and you're just a hard Yeah. He's living it only and it's easy for him. I'm in West Hollywood, man,

I'm in the trenches. So run down, run down for folks, Like, what's what's the best way how do people go take you in? Yes, your Instagram is stand Up Dan, Stand Up Dan. Yeah, it's like no one can spell Dana dude. So I was like, I need to need to shore this up. So Instagram at stand up Dan twitters stand up Dan as well. Are you active on Twitter? Pretty active? You do you engage in like Twitter outrage about someone's tweet? No, dude, I stay out of that. That to me is more

as a comedian. I'm like seeing like like comedians you know, don't host shows now because they wrote a tweet twenty years ago and they bring it back. I'm like, my Twitter is pretty anemic. Um, which again is a bummer that has to yeah, because you gotta control your impulse to make like it. You're like, how's that funny? I'll just put it up decades from now, I'll lose a job.

Remember when Dance said that? Well again testament to why Rogan has paved such a great, you know, path for himself because he doesn't it doesn't matter to him because he's self generated, so he doesn't Yeah, and he um, he gives all sides of everything a voice are also articulates all sides of everything in a way that makes

everyone look like a jackass. And so it's just I love him because he's just like he's like so curious, He's so curious, But I think sometimes he can just be convinced of anything, Like I feel like a flat Arthur can come on there and he's like really, yeah, okay, I'll look into that to open mind a little bit. But but I think it's more it's probably just his style of interview, which it gets people comfortable to open up. Um. But yeah. And then my food podcast, my new it's

the number one food podcast in America right now. It's called Green Eggs and Dance and you can get anywhere you get podcasts. It's an hour long. Um. So if people like exhausted the library of this show, yeah, I had to head to Green Eggs and Dan check it out. I really like, had just listened, like honest to god, listen to every episode, they might go find Green Eggs and Dance. Yeah, and they find it anywhere all the you knows, all the place stuff and in your brand

new spik any TV show. Oh yeah on Netflix parent network. We'll see if the Netflix party Steve Um, when when will the air It's gonna be airing, Uh sometime in the fall. They wanted to like, uh correspond with NASCAR dates. I saw that I saw my first NASCAR race ever last week and it was intense. There was like a crazy car cry, someone almost died. Yeah, but are you still filming. Yeah, we are. This is our hiatus week and everyone's like, what are you doing in Heitus You're relaxing.

I'm like, yeah, I'm going to Bozeman, Montana, baby, getting my Bozeman on um and uh yeah, but green Eggs. And but it's called the Crew, It's it's Kevin James is h is the lead of that one. So it's gonna be a great show. It's very funny, and I think I think your listeners will love it. I'm gonna watch yeah, Uh are they? Just would they be happy that you're plugging the show? I think so. I'm telling you, man, it's Nascar. It's a NASCAR show. No, No, not our listeners,

I mean the people, you know whatever, the Netflix people. Yeah, is it good that you're out doing this. I think that you think that Hunters probably are more of a scarlet letter than they are. Oh no, I do not. What are you talking about entertain I don't mean that. What did you mean? Sorry that? Like, um, you know, there's always like bargoes and you can't talk about shows,

you know what I'm saying. Oh, I don't know. You there's like a certain level of thing where it just gets all secret e we are said, people coming out here being all secret about stuff, and I'm like, why are the world's being secret about? No, I'm not, but I think I should probably be more secrety. Like I'm going skiing tomorrow, big guy, I probably shouldn't be doing that since we're filming. But you know how often am I going to be in Bozeman? Um? Do you got

a friend up there? Now? I'm just going myself? Really yeah? Hell yeah, it's great man out in the open. You're gonna drive on up and go skiing? Hell yeah, true outdoors. I love you. You spend like weeks alone out in the wood, the whole crew of No, I'm just surprised you don't have like O, I don't know, like acting body or something. Who's up there? No, most back in New York. Most back in New York couldn't make it. MO wanted to come so badly. Uh no more gonna

make it now. I'm just gonna go by myself and then I have to go back. I'm I'm pitching a show to HBO on Friday and then back to New York on Saturday. That's great. Yeah, man, trying to try and get this how do people watch some of your stand up? Just google my name Danny Dude. You can a H D O O T and weird. Fun fact, if you have a kid who's somewhere between the ages of ten and I'd say nineteen, I was on a Disney show that they are obsessed with kicking it and

I played you were a child actor? No, I wasn't a child, bro. This was like eight years ago. Yeah, if any kids are listening, I'm the guy. No, it was I played. It was a super racist role. I played a character named Falafel Phil Oh is that right? Yeah? Yeah, yikes, this is pretty because you're like, you're like an ethnic looking dude. Yeah. I was like, hell, who wants school? Have some fun? Off, let's go. It's sucked up, but kids loved it, so people will find your act on

YouTube or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. The Last Factory post a lot of great stand up. What's the best thing? Um, what's the best bit? Yeah? Like the factor in like you know, tell us a joke, Okay, just tell us the main tell us your best joke doing this? Bro? What's up? But know, if someone wants to go look at if they're like the one thing they're gonna do. They're like, Okay, I'm gonna check out something this guy did. I think you'd probably enjoy my material about spin class

going to the gym. So if they type in Dan spin class, yeah, they'll get a good taste. You'll get a hoot from Danna. Dude, Hey, when people were dogging the last question, when you were kidding, people were dogging on you, what do they do with your last name, Danna Douche there was I'm impervious. There's nothing you do, Ranella. You can do like, hey, Ranella, he's our fella. There's only nothing you can do. Oh Ranella, uh Smella, samon Ella.

Your gross like salmonella. That's good. And I don't think I hung out with people that really knew about this. And I just want to throw in a plug for bajillion dollar properties again. Oh yeah, I think you can watch the whole, the whole show on Pluto. I forgot to plug Bajilan all the problem. Yeah, you can watch the whole thing on Pluto or on Amazon. I was I shaved my head. I shaved my head. I did not get hair plugs. Everyone thinks I got plugs. I just let this ship grow, man. So I could have

had here the whole time. But whole time, I swear I graduated college, I thought I was going bald. I started taking propitia and I was like, I'm just gonna shave my head because I don't want to deal with you know, you know, being the guy going bald. And then I went through a breakup and I just like turned into this is like four years ago. I went through a breakup and I turned to like this mess. Just didn't get my hair cut and started growing out, and I came back thick, looks kind of good. Show

what you got going on, Brody? I got nothing going on. Check this out, this one I'm looking forward to having. Yeah, I can't wait, and I love it. Just get just just you've got a firm head of hair. I feel like, no, it gets thinner up top. Forty six. Just turn forty six. If you're forty six, you got that hair, You're good because it gets thinner up top. And when it happens, I'm gonna look just like Brody. Yeah, Brodi looks good. People look like apocalypse now. Yeah, some people don't look

good with a shaved head. Bro looks good. Yanni, I don't think you only YI would look good with a shaved head, because you have like his old man has a bunch of hair. Yeah, you've got like a rectangular you need like a round face for it. It shaved all summer really yeah yeah, but like, but it alludes to hair because it's not it's not like shiny. You've got so much hair, I gotta cut it off, like tell Yeah, no one knows the hell I got. That's a horrible reference. Tell Us is a good bald references.

I think that's still works. Okay, I'll give that to your Dana. Dude, spin class has to take away from the whole episode. And if you're in Upstate New York and you need to have your knee scope, you can go to mow. Gotta go to Moth. Yeah. Dr Mohanned al Humadi, you can look mom. Yeah. No need to tell peopleut how to spell that. Just google Arab doctor Upstate New York. Alright, man, thanks, thanks so much for having me. This has really been an honor.