Will President Donald Trump take to the well of the Senate to personally debate Democrats on voter id His former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, has pointed to a little known Senate rule that would actually allow it to happen. He joins me at the top of the show to explain. Plus Ace strategist Matt Brainerd is here to help explain how he's advising Republican candidates to talk on the campaign trail about the war with Iran. There's a big update
in the Somali fraud prosecutions. Some of the brothers actually tried to bribe a juror. Minnesota Senate candidate Royce White will sound off. We'll check in with Dave DeCamp of Anti War News and head to the Paul Meadow States campaign trail with Paul Dan's it's all next to the Matt Gates Show.
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As we join you this evening, President Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows is turning the political screws on Republican US Senators refusing to do what is necessary to pass the Save America Act, and in a political world where we seem to look to President Trump to do literally everything, now Meadows says President Trump can go to the Senate floor and command the room.
What a site it would be.
The Save America Act is the last chance for a big policy win passed by Congress before the midterms. To use a football metaphor, the clock is winding down and our option on four and three is to either punt or go for it. And the United States Senate loves to punt, but President Trump isn't making it easy on them to do so. He said he wants the bill before any other and that has elections experts like Kleida Mitchell encouraged.
Some of these ball bulls in the Senate who aren't used to having to actually do any work are starting to feel the pressure and the President is not letting up. I think he should just say, you guys don't have anything else to do, so tech all the time.
You want, have the filibuster, make.
The Democrats debate because I'm not signing anything else. You guys have all summer, get on with it. So I think that President's doing great.
Mark Meadows leads the Conservative Partnership Institute. Now he put up a social media post that calls out the Senators who haven't backed to standing filibuster, which would force the Democrats to actually debate the legislation if they want.
To block it.
This is a long list. Take a look and see if you can find your senator. If so, give him a ring and ask why Democrats should be able to block voter ID and proof of citizenship without even making them work for it. Earlier today, Senate Leader John Thun announced that he's bringing the Save America Act to the floor for debate next week.
Tick a listen.
Next week, I will be bringing the Save America Act to the floor and we will be having a full and robust debate that we are going to put Democrats on the record, that they will be forced to defend their outrageous positions on these issues and explain to the American people why common Sense and the Democratic Party have parted ways.
Okay, so that sounds exciting, but the game you're watching may not be the game that is actually being played. You heard Thuon say there would be robust debate and as much as we hate to be the bearer of bad news. What he's really saying is that you could be watching political theater, not lawmaking. Typically, you need sixty
votes to advance a bill in the Senate. Leader Thun knows he doesn't have that, But there are a few legislative maneuvers he could use, not just to have robust debate, but to actually pass the bill, including the standing filibuster, which would force Democrats to physically exhaust themselves by talking to block this vote.
And he could also do another thing.
Leader Thune could fire the Senate Parliamentarian and put the Save America Act in a reconciliation bill, which only requires as simple Kleta. Mitchell weighed in on that possibility earlier this week, and she doesn't seem to think fun is.
Up to the task.
Do you think right now Leader Thun is actually having to face the very practical question, are his actions going to fire the Senate Parliamentarian or fire Senator Cornyn?
Well, that's a really.
Good question, I mean, and he's apparently this business of having to make tough decisions is not necessarily in his wheelhouse.
Mark Meadows is encouraging President Trump to directly address the Senate next week when the Save America Act is considered.
The former president can address the Senate at any time on demand. And that's exactly what I would love to see. I'd love to see the Save America Act be brought to the Senate floor and let our current president and yes, the former president, my friend and boss, address the Senate and the American people on the importance of the Save America Act. No one could communicate it better.
So we looked into it, and yes, Senate rules require the Senate to allow former presidents to address the Senate on demand.
I had no idea that George W.
Bush or Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could just wander into the Senate and be in charge as a former president, or at least in charge of being able to offer their own thoughts and debate. Now, Senate Rule nineteen, paragraph a is what's operative here. It says, quote, former presidents of the United States shall be entitled to address the Senate upon appropriate notice the Presiding Officer, who should thereupon make the necessary arrangements. It's mandatory, obligatory that they get
this opportunity. Talk about must see TV with ratings machine, President Trump, President Americans would see Democrats trying to explain to the country that voter ID is racist, but that it isn't racist to ask for that same ID when someone wants to pick up a rental car, or board an airplane, or buy a lottery ticket in a disposable vape. I had to show my ID at the post office this morning to pick up a package. Not a single person there thought it was racist or even intended to
discourage package pickup. So there's a realistic path to passing the most consequential election legislation and possibly a decade. The only question is if Senator Thun is willing to deliver. Joining us now is senior partner at the Conservative Partnership Institute and former chief of staff to President Trump. Former North Carolina Congressman Mark Meadows, Mark, thanks for joining us.
I've put up that Senate rule for our audience that would allow a former president to command the floor of the Senate, as you suggested.
How do you think that would go?
Hey, let me just tell you it would be must watch TV, Matt, you know, and I know that it would just melt the Internet down. I think the president should do that. I think if he goes on the floor of the Senate. It will have more action on the floor of the Senate than they've seen in decades, primarily because he actually means what he says.
So Leader Thun has said he will bring this bill to the floor, but explain how that doesn't really mean he's doing everything possible to pass the bill.
Yeah, Matt, Probably the biggest thing is is I want to say thank you Leader Thune for bringing it to the floor, but don't file cloture. Let's make the Democrat speak, Let's make sure that they hold the floor, and if they can't hold the floor, then let's pass it with a fifty vote threshold. And candidly, you and I have served in Congress, we know how this goes. There's what we call the robust whip and the soft whip. The soft whip is so that they can tell everybody, hey,
we've whipped it. There's not the votes there. The robust whip is what they do on anything that generally is not what the American people want, or at least it's what k Street wants. They'll go robustly about that. And so we need him to do a robust wind it with these senators and say get on board. And let's pass the Save America Act. The American people don't understand what is the big deal, and especially when you've got Schumer's and Schumer and others pushing back against it.
Matt, Yeah, so you and I have both spent plenty of time on the wrong end of the robust whip during our time in the House of Representatives.
Together.
It just gives me, like the creepy Crawleys to think about the Paul Ryan speakership. But I want to get to some of the tools that would make that happen.
Right.
That's not a phone call requesting that these senators you've named come on board. That's things like withholding appropriations. That's things like committee assignments or chairmanships. Walk us through the robust whip you want to see in the United States Senate.
Yeah, listen, Senators, as you know, both in the House and in the Senate, but particularly in the Senate, you don't get elected or re elected without the big coffers coming in for your behalf. It's so hard to get rid of a sitting senator, primarily because hundreds of millions, not tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars get spent on their behalf, so you can withhold that. You say, listen, we understand you're a majority maker, but you need us
to get re elected. So go first to those people that are in cycle. Listen, Senators like Tom Tillis who are going out. You're not going to convince him to do it. But go to the others that actually want to come back and do that. There's also the potential with committee assignments. Listen. I think Donald Trump said this best the other day. He's the leader of the Senate.
He needs to.
Lead and get these people on board. And I will say we've seen some real action in the last twenty four hours, based not in just in the fact that so many Americans that are tuned in watching us here have lit up the witchboards and the social media to say we want this bill passed. Well.
Leader Thune said that the people calling for an end of the talking filibuster were just paid influencers. Did you ever think you'd be so cool as to be deemed to paid influencer?
Mark Meadows, Well, well, I'm waiting for that first paid check, and they paid influencer. So I can tell you that literally what this is is a grassroots support the influencers that are out there. They're coming along, but they're not getting paid to move this motivation and go forward. It's eighty five percent issue. Why is there such a problem.
Who is the special interest out there paying influencers for voter ID. If there was some massive special interest out there paying influencers on voter ID, we probably would have gotten done before now because of the popularity.
You explained now.
When you and I were in Congress together, we lived under the tyranny of a person called the Senate parliamentarian because they got to decide what was considered under a lower threshold than sixty votes. Our friends like Chip Roy and Scott Perry were pushing really hard to get this
Save America Act into the last Reconciliation bill. The Senate parliamentarian hired by like Harry Reid many moons ago said no, why won't Leader Thun just fire the Senate parliamentaryman like make Cleida Mitchell the Senate parliamentarian for a week and a half and we saved the country.
Well, their heads would explode if Cleida Mitchell became the Senate parliamentarian. I can tell you that, But you're exactly right. What happens is is you've got this parliamentarian and it's almost as if Matt, they just want to lose, but want to lose in a gentleman or lady like fashion. And I can tell you the donor class, even the donor class, have taken notice of this. If they don't get the Save America Act passed and to the President's desk,
there will be a problem. Listen, they passed out of the Senate today a housing bill that has a real rocky road coming to the House. I don't think the House will take it up, nor should they take it up until the Save America Act is in the Oval Office for the President's signature.
It'll be an interesting one to watch. Thank you for leading on this fight. Mark Meadows, the senior partner of the Conservative Partnership Institute, former Congressman, former chief of staff to President Trump.
Always going to be in the fight with you, my friend.
Great to be with you, Matt. Thanks for taking the message to the American people.
Thank you.
And to coming up, We've got Matt Brainerd from LUK ahead to America to talk about how he's advising candidates dealing with this question about the Iran war. How to talk about it, how to put themselves in the best position to succeed. Plus, we've got a big update on the Minnesota fraud case. Actually, some of the Somali fraud fezers have tried to bribe Adjuror Royce White is running for the United States Senate and minute he'll explain what happened.
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We return to our coverage of the political consequences of the war between the United States and Iran. Here at home, Republican candidates and competitive House and Senate races are using carefully calibrated messages on this war. The pattern has three main components that we've been tracking. First, most Republican candidates avoid sounding eager for a long war. Instead, they emphasize
national security and deterrence. They point to the fact that Iran has been a destabilizing force in the Middle East, which is undeniably true, but some might say they haven't become a more stabilizing force this month. Second, there's a clear understanding that explanation will be required as voters here at home experience higher prices as a consequence of the war. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt addressed these rising prices as temporary.
Recent increase in oil and gas prices is temporary, and this operation will result in lower gas prices in the long term. Once the national security objectives of Operation Epic Fury are fully achieved, Americans will see oil and gas prices drop rapidly, potentially even lower than they were prior to the start of the operation.
Third, Republicans are trying to pivot to broader security themes. They rightly claim credit for making the country safer with a secure border that's actually quite smart. Voters give Republicans a big edge on immigration enforcement. Candidates are always worried about saying something in the present that will come back to haunt them in the future. Maybe I should have been more worried about those things during my time in politics.
But frankly, it's why so many politicians sound like a response to the most boring.
Chat shept prompt you've ever heard.
We wanted to dig into how strategists are advising candidates to talk about this war as it continues to develop. The newest polling on the war with Iran shows a country that is cautious, divided, and quite uncertain about where the conflict is headed. A Washington Post national survey released today finds that only thirty four percent of Americans support continuing US strikes on Iran, while forty two percent want the attacks halted and twenty four percent remain undecided. The
divide becomes sharper when you look at who supports the campaign. Republicans, older voters, and women show the highest levels of backing for continuing strikes. Meanwhile, Democrats, independents, and younger Americans are more skeptical, creating one of the largest partisan gaps in foreign policy opinion in recent years. Among major themes in this polling are this Americans do not feel they fully
understand the objective of the war. Nearly two thirds say the administration has not clearly explained the goals of the campaign, and more than sixty percent say current US casualties are already unacceptable this early in the conflict. Separate national polling released this week shows a similar caution about escalation of Quinnipiac survey finds fifty three percent of voters oppose US military action overall, and an overwhelming seventy four percent of
Americans a pose sending ground troops to Iran. Perhaps most striking is how Americans see the future of this war. Six and ten believe the conflict will stretch on for a long period, suggesting the public expects a drawn out fight rather than the quick victory that I think would be most politically expedient. Put together, the numbers paint a
clear picture. Americans remain wary of deeper involvement. Support exists, but it's limited, highly partisan, very boomer and heavily conditioned on the conflict, staying short to avoid a large US troop deployment. Joining US now, Executive director of look Ahead America, Matt Brainerd, Matt, thanks for joining us. How are you advising candidates in a republic in primary to talk about the war between the United States and Iran?
My advice. And that's funny you ask, is a striting a statement about that today to help on candidate out.
I can only imagine that that would be something you would be working on today, my friend.
Well, look, I think first to remember a few things. Number one is that this operation is on a clock. He's got about forty five days under the understanding of the current war power zac, which he seems to be abiding by, before he has to get Congress involved. So that's the time frame that I think that they're hoping to complete the mission that they've set out to accomplish.
My message is that none of very few members of Congress, and certainly no candidates, have access to the kind of intelligence that the president has that led him to make
this decision. So my advice to candidates is to encourage a swift and decisive resolution of this conflict, and to pray for the safety and well being of our troops, and to trust a president that I think is more deserving a trust on foreign policy stage than any president of my lifetime, who has always steered us right, who has kept us out of long engagement, who has not gotten this bogged down in any forever wars like so many of the people who are criticizing him for now
are the same people who voted US to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan in an endless cycle of nation building. This is a president who flipped Venezuela almost instantly for us. He kept us out of any wars in his first term, and his actions and foreign for policy and the second term have been brief, decisive, and with minimum loss to American lives. So we have to trust because neither you nor I have access to the
intelligence that led them to make this decision. I have to trust him and pray for a quick resolution, and ideally we'll have that.
I wonder if how candidates talk about this changes whether or not their dispositive elections in a primary or a general. Do you think it's different talking about this to a general election audience than to a primary audience.
That's a really good question. I think that the Republican audience in a primary is much more likely to give the president leeway and some room to maneuver in these types of conflicts. In a general election, I think it's a little bit of a different concern because we've got the calendar issue. I expect this conflict to be in our rearview mirror in any way that could be perceived
as negative. Probably around May, and that's also about the time we're going to have a new Federal Reserve chairman who is likely going to be more supportive of lower rates. So by the time we'll get to the voting season October November, I don't expect this to be an issue
at the forefront. So my general message is saying, look, let's just pray for the safe return of our troops and for a quick and decisive victory to rid the world of a regime that has been killing Americans, thousands of them for longer than I've been alive.
Yeah, but that regime doesn't be going anywhere, right. I mean, you're not advising any candidates to say that the war must continue until the regime is gone, are you.
I think that the regime threat to the United States and to our allies calling for signing the need to neutralize a serious threat which apparently it was posing, is a worthwhile goal, particularly if it's minimum loss of American life, if it's not a boots on the ground, if it's not a true you know, you recall in Afghanistan and Iraq, we were sending MFAs people with masters and fine arts to go over there and try to change the culture
and teach them creative writing classes. Nobody in the Trump administration is suggesting anything like that type of regime change or nation building anything like that. Here's here's basically how Trump was.
They have suggested regime change. Here's there's Differently, by executing a supreme leader.
I think that by executing or taking captives some premem leader, you give the nation a chance to pick another another ruler, and either that person is going to be cooperative to the United States, they blew up.
Or their meaning about that, Matt, they meant to get a new Supreme leader.
We literally dropped a bomb on the meeting.
I don't know how long he's going to be around, and maybe we just get the next leader and keep going until we get in the leader that's willing to be cooperative.
That goes right. That's what you just said.
You just said that what we need is a quick and decisive resolution of this Politically, I completely that's why do you think that.
The next comani is going to live for until the forty five day period is up?
What I know is it took US.
It took us twenty years to trade the Taliban for the Taliban, and it took US nine days to trade one komane for another komane. So I guess we're getting more efficient in that regard and not endeavoring upon.
Look this as a president who is very critical of how that operation was conducted from the beginning to the end, both in Afghanistan and the much longer time we spent in Iraq than we needed to. This is a very different way of conducting war. And there's been you know, he's spoken repeatedly, we're not really trying to change the culture. We just want to neutralize threats to the United States.
And that's the responsible action to take because every administration is always talking about the great threat that Iran his post while they've killed thousands of Americans and just said, look, we'll just tolerate, we'll tolerate. And you had Obama who said, let's just give them cash and maybe they'll be nice or try to ignore a problem like you ignore a cancer.
But everyone knows that doesn't work. So having a president that is willing to risk the political capital put his entire administration on the line because he says Look, right now it might not be popular, but in ten or fifteen years it will have been a genius move that saves American lives and brings the.
Vality of Well, let's get specific on that point. How long do you think it takes before this war is popular?
I'll go back to my original antswer how long it takes till the war becomes popular?
Because you say, in fifteen years, we're going to look back on this word, it's going to be popular.
Right now, all the data suggests the wars underwater.
I understand that, But in terms of how long this conflict is likely to take, he's basically got a forty five day window to do what he can, and he knew that before this started. He knew that if you go beyond that, you're going to have to earn popular support and get it through Congress, which is extremely difficult. Look, there are popular things like the say back, they can't get through Congress either. So operating within this window to do what he can in this limited time, they had
the intelligence to make that decision. You and I didn't. And look, I'm going to trust the isn't it? And That's what I'm encouraging candidates say, and that's what I say to voters, and then when we get to a later stage, if it's a bigger problem, you know, to slow the spread.
So I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I think that probably would be the best political Look, we.
Can't have a complete access to every bit of intelligence that the president uses to make a decision.
We used to have a class.
It's not that I don't trust the president. I don't trust some of the people giving him that intelligence. Like the argument you're making right now, Matt, and I do appreciate you going through the exercise of debating it with me because our candidates are going to have to go through this, and I think this is an instructive discussion. But like, that's all the same stuff that was said
in two thousand and three. We could have literally taken what you just said, and it could have come out of the mouth of Carl Rove.
It wasn't just said in two thousand and three. It was said throughout the entire history of our country and all of our foreign engagements where we trusted the president. Politics stop through the water's edge, and if any president, look we can agree on this, if any president that has ever been elected in years of my lifetime, we're to undertake this operation? Is there anyone you trust more than Trump to have undertaken it?
Really? Bush?
Obama, Clinton, Reagan. There's only one present that I actually would fully trust to do this because he's earned it through his time in offices, records, He's established so forth at being extremely limited in his use of American force overseas. So if we can't trust him now, I mean, what are we doing here?
Yeah?
I think it's more about trusting Iran than trusting him, and in Iran I have considerably less trust. I want to ask you one more question before you go about Texas. This Senate race is getting weird. I mean, we are big enthusiastic supporters of Ken Paxton. You know Texas very well,
you do a lot of political work there. I mean, if this thing goes on, and if there's some more like damaging information that comes out about Senator Cornyn on some rumors that are floating around, do you think that this is in play with Jasmine Crockett losing tallar Rico as the Democratic nominee.
Do you mean in play for Paxton to winner, No.
For the Democrats to win I worry that what we see going on on the Republican side could actually get Democrats to lock in their lips over Texas.
You know, one of the nice things about Texas primaries is that they happen in March, so whatever the outcome is, you have a lot of time to heal. Look after a primary, if you take a poll, all of our candidates are going to look into they're in terrible shape after this primary. I'm sure whatever pole you take after this social resolve, whether the packs win corn wins, it's going to be they're either gonna be under or really close. Unfortunately,
we have this nice period to kind of unify. Emotions will be, We'll have time to calm down, We'll have unity events and look, I expect by the ends. I expect by the end. I hate to say this because people hate this, but this happens every presidentially because we have these tough presidential fights, right but almost everybody comes together at the end because they do not whether you're a corner fan or packs event, or whether you can corn In or packs in personally, neither of you wants
to see the seat really follow the Democrats. So if Packson prevails, by the time we get to election day, I expect him to do a unity event with cornn and the other way around. That's the only civilized way. That's that's how we have to operate as Republicans. We need to pressure whoever the loser is here to do the right thing and unify, and that will give us time, unlike say Washington State primaries, where we have violent primaries and then six weeks later you're voting in the general.
And got.
A really smart point about the opportunity to come together. Matt Brainerd, executive director of look Ahead America, Thanks is always for coming on and discussing these issues.
Happy to be here and coming up.
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Americans have recently been confronted with a harsh reality the systems built to serve the needy, the vulnerable, the dying. They're often systems mechanized for industrial scale fraud. But the good news is that we have renewed focus on this fraud and accountability is at least reaching some of the crooks. The seventy ninth person has just been charged in the Minnesota Feeding Our Future fraud scheme. Fifty of those charged
have pled guilty. Several have been convicted a trial. The Feeding Our Future fraud and network involved claiming that children were being fed who weren't and it diverted so much federal money about two hundred and fifty to three hundred million in food eight was stolen. Here's the breaking news. Within the last twenty four hours, the Somali's on trial for the Feeding Our Future fraud actually got sentenced to trying to.
Bribe a jury. Here's what happened.
Seven people were on trial for their roles in the fraud two of them were brothers. They had a third brother, Abdul Kareem Farah, aged twenty five, target a juror and deliver that juror a bag full of cash as a bribe. Fara and co defendant Laddan Ali picked the jur they wanted to bribe. They followed that juror to their home. They delivered a bag with one hundred and twenty thousand dollars in cash inside, and they said there would be more cash for the juror if they voted to acquit.
They filmed themselves doing it and then deleted signal from their phones. Apparently these bandits picked the wrong juror because that person immediately reported the bribe to the court.
The judge knew right away.
Far Up pled guilty to bribing the jur it'll serve almost five years in prison. Authorities have discovered this problem is way bigger than a single charity. Investigators are now examining fraud in multiple programs, including child nutrition, medicaid, autism, housing, hospice.
Some estimates suggest billions in federal funds across fourteen programs may have been vulnerable to this fraud since twenty eighteen and that's just Minnesota joining us now candidate for the United States Senate and Minnesota former NBA lottery pick the only person running for the United States Senate that you definitely couldn't get a rebound on.
Royce Wade, thanks for joining us.
And I just this story about the bribing of a jur, like, is the new chapter in this like Somali fraud case, that there's no shame that like they can get caught stealing from hungry children and then have absolutely no qualms about trying to go bribe a jury to get off.
Yeah. No, I would appear that the Democrats and the entire liberal machine have no shame whatsoever and how they fence the Minnesota fraud story. But politics more broadly, right, I mean, we could see the correlation between the war that's broken out and all of these Free Palestine folks here that were in the streets during the anti Ice raids and they'll turn around and vote for Amy Klobasharna heartbeat even though she's so well funded and supported by APEX.
I mean, these people have no logical coherence left.
Yeah, I'm eager to get to the campaign and the war, But just on this bribe matter, like, what does it say that even after having been busted, these guys had had like one hundred and fifty grand in cash to go put in a bag.
Well, it says that they've they've gotten real comfortable with the you know, with the with the rule of law.
I guess I guess if Mike doesn't make right, maybe Green does. Now there have been seventy nine arrests and they are working to flip people. From your standpoint, as in minnesotaan, what do you think is a satisfactory resolution to all this fraud that's been uncovered and these prosecutions that are underway.
Well, I think people who are here on refugee status who are involved in this fraud should be deported. That's just my opinion. And I think there you know, I don't think there will be deportations, but there certainly should be. That would be my hope.
I wonder if what we are seeing is changing minds.
I mean, if if the stealing from taxpayers doesn't get you, if the diverting money away from needy children doesn't get you, Like, I wonder if the bags of cash bribing jurors might convinced Democrats who've never voted for a Republican to vote for someone like you.
You would hope so, you would hope so. But we'll see. At the end of the day, Minnesota, Minnesota Knights has become a pervasive cultural identity, and people tend to make concessions around certain issues, and obviously being frauded by your state government and other actors doesn't reach the top of the list. But hopefully that changes. We'll see.
I do want to talk to you about the campaign and this war that's going on. You really have been a very prominent voice in what I would consider the foreign policy realism space. We've talked about these issues a number of times together. How is this war impacting your campaign for the United States Senate?
Well, it puts us in a peculiar position, because you would think that we would find some alignment with our counterparts on the left, who are obviously, at least publicly, very loudly against this particular war. They're not against all war. They're certainly for the war there in the Bloodlins between Ukraine and Russia, but they're not for any war that aids Israel, which now we find ourselves in some strange alignment.
And even I see on the right, certain people are running for office or they commentating on politics, and they're like, hey, we kind of agree with those people on the left. But at the end of the day, the people on the left openly reject God, and they openly mock God, and they openly mocked Christian So the math doesn't square by joining hands with those people because we can it would be anti Christian by definition. So it's putting us
in a peculiar situation. And I think, you know, an old saying is never never interrupt your enemies while they're making a mistake. The Minnesota fraud, the anti ice protests, where our enemies making a mistake, And now I think that we've interrupted our enemies while they were making a mistake, a big mistake.
Yeah, it's such an interesting point that so much of the national discussion was around this fraud. And I really did believe, I still do believe if that's presented to swing voters or even left wing voters, they can't be for that. And now all of the headlines, a lot of what we talk about on this program is geared toward this war that's going on. You know, is that something you could see negatively impacting Republicans in a lot of these different swing Senate races around the country.
Oh absolutely, I mean it's already negatively impact in the races, whether we see it or measure it or not. You know, the proof is the proof is all but the writings on the wall. And I'll give this you know this
thought and the City of God. Saint Augustine said, a brief and true definition of virtue is rightly ordered love, and that rightly ordered love and rightly ordered charity are first in the center with God and then expanding in concentric circles outward yourself, your family, your immediate family, your loved ones, your community, and then everything else. There is
nothing rightly ordered about this war. There's nothing rightly ordered about the charity that we've displayed in our fraud, you know, in our NNGO nonprofit global institutions or global agencies, as well as the military industrial complex. Wrongly ordered love, and there are consequences.
Final issue I want to address with you is this big debate going on in the Senate right now about how to deal with the Save America Act that's passed from the House. Their number of Republican senators saying they don't believe in a talking filibuster. They don't believe that Democrats should have to hold the floor to block consideration
of the legislation. I've long contended that you're one of the people running for the Senate who, just by your mere presence there would have a very profound effect on the institution, which is probably why a lot of the establishment don't want to see you there. But what would Royce White be doing in the United States Senate right now to get the Save America Act to President Trump?
I'd be calling out the people who are trying to block it behind the scenes that doesn't get talked about publicly. We see some of their faces, but not all of them. Some people are pretending they're for the Act when they're really not. And I would stand there and do a talking filibuster by myself for sixty days straight if need, be harkening back to our founding fathers. And that's just the type of toughness and grit that we've lost in
this country. And you know, Mitch McConnell, John Thune, John Cornyon, they're all running dogs for the CCP, and it's obvious, it's becoming obvious who our real enemies are inside the wire and I hope that the electorate, you know, shows that in the next time they're up for reelection, if they even come up for reelection. When it comes to Thune in corner, the referendum is going to be in Texas. Now we'll see when John Thune comes up next as well.
Yeah, certainly that race in Texas is going to be a big one. They would probably take some exception with the characterization that they're doing this for the CCP, but it's hard to imagine who they're doing it for because they're certainly.
I'll say this, I'll say this back to our point about the Iranian war. At the end of the day, even if we win, and I'm not saying whether or not we need to fight this war, President Trump's commander in chief. He has to make those decisions, and I hope he's getting good advice. But ultimately, in the long run, from a geopolitical standpoint, we know that the Muslims in the Arabs favor the Chinese, and the Europeans favored the Muslims in the Arabs. So what are we actually doing there long term?
Yeah, there are a lot of Muslims fighting against the Chinese in some places in you know where there's a lot of conflict between Pakistan and China, but we'll.
See how it all resolves.
Royce White, Republican candidate for the United States Senate and Minnesota, thanks for joining us, Thank you, sir, And coming up, Dave DeCamp from Anti War News will break down what we're learning about the new Ayahtola, his plans, his statements, and we'll also hit the campaign trail in South Carolina with Paul Dan's who's running against Lindsey Graham, who is enthusiastically telling you he wants to send your children to war and draft your daughters.
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Iran's new Supreme leader has issued his first statements in stepping in to succession in the place of his dead father.
And while the.
United States is demanding capitulation and Israel appears to be seeking total political and societal collapse in Iran, Iyatola Moshtaba Komani has other plans. In a Thursday decree, the Iatola vowed to continue enforcing Iran's blockade of the all important Straits of Hormuz to global energy markets just today.
Earlier on Wednesday, a tai.
Flagged oil tanker was struck by a projectile while passing through the strait.
And there's a harsh reality we have to contend with here.
Iran has been able to impact global energy markets. It doesn't take much. Even if a handful of ships are attacked. Insurance companies start refusing to cover vessels passing through the Straits of Hormuz. And if insurers won't cover the cargo, a nearly twenty percent of the world's oil supply can't reach its destination. And oil isn't the only thing going through the straits. A lot of important components of fertilizer, a lot of cargo. If it doesn't get insured it
doesn't move. At the same time, Iran's tightening grip on the street has actually allowed it to increase its own oil exports. This allows the regime to profit from the higher prices caused by the reduced global supply. Iran might actually be making money on this war. With that math right now, the clock appears that it could be working
in Iran's favor. The new Ayahtola also vowed retaliation for his father, promising retribution for every Iranian killed by the United States and Israel, and he specifically referenced revenge for the blood of our children. Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson had strong views on that strike.
They're in negotiations with us le jay and they came. They were saying on Thursday before the attack came, Hey, these we really made progress. We're looking forward to it. Oman who had broke her to said hey, this is the best progress we made and then boom, out of the blue, we attacked them. We kill one hundred and seventy five girls, young girls ages six to twelve. And how do we know it because we can see you still frame the missile that's coming into that school. It's a Tomahawk.
Thousands of Iranians turned out for the funeral. A photo verified by The New York Times shows massive crowds and attendance. What was supposed to be a destabilizing regime change war may actually be having the opposite effect, because it turns out when a foreign power kills the children of a nation and its religious leader during Ramadan, the people tend to unite in opposition.
Who possibly could have predicted that?
Joining US now news editor at anti war dot Com and host of Anti War News Dave de Camp, Dave, what are you watching with the new Supreme Leader?
Well, today we got the first statement from him, and he hasn't made any public appearances yet, I'm sure because he assumes that the US or Israel would target him if he did that. But he put out a statement that was read on air by Iranian state media and it was kind of what I expected, you know. It was a defiant tone in the face of this US Israeli bombing campaign. And he is saying that they will keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and that they will
continue attacks on US bases across the region. And we are seeing that just last night in Herbal in Iraqi, Kurdistan, base housing US troops was hit with a lot of drones and there's reports from British media that US troops were injured.
But when it comes to.
The new Kommenee, the younger Kamene, you know, it seems like they're digging in the Islamic government. And his father was killed, you know, in the opening hours of this war. But not just his father, also his mother, his wife, and his sister were killed in that strike and other family members. So we have a younger Kamenee who is more radicalized, who's taking control here. In the day that he was announced to be the new leader, we saw a massive rallies in Tehran and in other major cities.
Yeah, Dave, we've seen some reports that he's injured or he may be in some temporary role. Do you see him consolidating power and holding onto the position.
Yeah, I mean that's that's what it looks like right now. I mean, essentially, at the moment, the ier GC is in charge. You know, they're they're calling the shots, they're they're controlling the military response. And as I understand, he's has very close ties to the ier GC, So I think he is who they want in power.
You've got a new piece out at anti war dot Com that walks through Iran's energy export strategy while the straits of our MOUs are under this this pinch walk us through it.
Yeah.
Well, according to the tracking you know, the tanker tracking data, Iran actually exported more oil over the past week than it was before the war. And so essentially now they have control of the Strait of horm Moose and we have seen at least ten tankers have been hit with drones. Just last night, so more were hit. And you know, you see President Trump talking about them mining the strait.
I don't know if there's evidence that they've actually done that, but people just need to understand that, you know, the Strait of Hormoose, this is Iran's territory. It's right off their coast, and they don't need you know, advanced ballistic missiles to hit ships there or anything. They just could use short range missiles, rockets, and these drones that they seem to have a you know, these very cheaply made drones. So they're in a position to really control what goes
in and out of there. And the question is, you know, we see President Trump. Secretary Beston said today that there's some sort of plan for the US military to escort tankers through this strait. And now US Navy warships, especially destroyers, have very advanced air defense systems. But the fact is this is right off Iran's coast and they could blanket the place with these drones. And I think that's why we're not seeing them them try that yet.
Yeah, and some of those air defense systems require some time. They become more effective the longer arrange the shot is fired, when you're right there on top of the ships. That can that can limit some of the defensive techniques that are typically used. What do you expect Iran to do in the in the coming days, Dave?
Yeah, Well, what we're more of what we're seeing. You know, the the drone and missile attacks are continuing across the region. They say it's at a you know, a lower rate, but they're certainly getting hit.
It's tough to does that change? Sorry, I've only got a little bit of time left.
Do you think do you think they will ratchet up or do you think they're They've been degraded to the point where this is now max effort we're seeing out of Iran.
Now, I think it's going to be steady. I don't know if it's going to really increase, but I think it'll be steady. I think they have a lot more in their arsenal than what you know the US might expect, And really the drones are kind of the big their big weapon here. What the US military has admitted they're having trouble intercepting and the other potential escalation. We've still seen the Houthis in Yemen. As far as I understand,
they haven't entered the war. So that's another escalation option for Iran is to get start hitting.
You would think all the proxies would be activated already, so maybe that'll happen down the road.
I sure hope it doesn't. Dave DeCamp, anti war dot Com, Anti War News, thanks so much for joining us. As always, Thanks Matt and.
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Ever, at times, we want to understand this war between the United States and Iran through the eyes of its biggest cheerleaders. As you can tell, we have questions have lived through these wars in the Middle East that have produced so much death and chaos and damage to people's lives Here in the United States.
The biggest cheerleader.
By far for attacking almost any country you can throw a dart at a map and hit has been Republican United States Senator from South Carolina, Lindsay Graham. He's been loud and proud about these views. It makes us wonder how people in South Carolina are feeling about them, and we're going to get a good sense of what that's like.
Joining us now is.
Project twenty twenty five, architect and candidate for the United States Senate in South Carolina, challenging Senator Graham Paul Dan's So, Paul, I really want to understand from you how voters in South Carolina are reacting to their senator being very eager to have the United States embroiled in another Middle East regime change of war.
Well, we're very supportive of President Trump. Great to be with you, Matt, and we voted him to be our commander and chief if he's our president, not Lindsay Graham. But you know, Lindsay, he's gone full retard. There's no question he's out there calling to send the daughters of South Carolina to die in combat in the Middle East. That is outrageous. He supports women in combat, and our daughters they're going to be going to church and ballet here in South Carolina. We are not sending him to
go kill Christians in Lebanon. So the man, you know, I wish you could just blame it on one cosmopolitan too many, but he's in a megalomaniac meltdown.
Well, we don't like name calling here. We prefer to look at people's ideas. But I tend to agree with you that people aren't exactly walking out of debutante balls in South Carolina, eager to be drafted by the United States military, as perhaps some of these foreign engagements would require. Sentagram also made news by indicating whose side he's on when it comes to Israel versus people who have concerns these engagements.
To listen to all the isolations, I don't believe forget it.
I'm not with you.
I'm with Israel. I will be with Israel to our dying day.
What do you think he means by that?
You know, the we again, we.
Elected President Trump to make these international policy decisions, and Lindsay's essentially going around the state implying that he's the president of the United States, that he sits in the.
Era of the president.
Look, the man left South Carolina thirty two years ago. He's lost all charted of where he's from. And you know, he's, like he said, he spends every other weekend in Israel, whether he needs to or not. I am focused on South Carolina. And that's really what this whole race is about. People here are really just done with Lindsay. And you know, the imputation here is that he's kind of actually soft on China. At the end of the day, we're.
Did you find a country he doesn't want to invade? He doesn't want to invade China.
Yeah, I mean I think if he ever, that's a weird thing. You know, he's been there thirty two years and China's the least of the hawk is things he's talks about. You know, right now, they're literally moving missile batteries out of South Korea to move them to Middle East. And that's really dispariting because that's where the ballance of the twenty first century is going. But it's actually here
at home in South Carolina. Believe it or not, there's one hundred and forty four thousand acres of farmland owned by the Chinese. I'm right here tonight in Manic South Carolina, and it's one of the biggest is.
What are they doing with it?
Paul, Well, you know, they're getting right by the bases, they're right in our food system. This is when I get to the US Senate, I'm going to rip that property back. We're going to declare that critical infrastructure and put it back in the hands of South Carolinians. And you know too, we're going to take back Smithfield ham this. They should not be in our food chain. We don't get to go over to China and on farmland, or should they be able to do it here. But we
need to focus on ourselves for a change. You know, these foreign escapades, and we put President Trump in there because of the Trump doctrine. It's hit it and quit it.
We've been Yeah, it doesn't always go that way. Some people have the hit it and quitted aspiration and it stays around a little longer, Paul. But I want to get to the way that this is breaking out by age, because we are seeing a lot of younger voters, Republican and Democrat, have very different views on this war than older voters. Are you making a direct appeal to those younger voters who are concerned about this.
Absolutely. Younger voters want to be able to get out of their parents' house. They want to know that they're going to have a job in five years after AI. This is like they had their friends from high school die of opioids that we're talking about. You know, people, there's been a mass killing here, a real kind of like almost a war on the white population of rural
South Carolina. So that's what the young folks are They do not want to go over and die in the Middle East, and the last thing people want to do is go kill Christians there, so you know there is a great But even older folks begin to say, you know, Lindsay's been there too.
Long, wit who are you alleging is killing Christians?
Well, Lindsey wants to start bombing Lebanon, and that's the most Christian country in the Middle East, So you know you're gonna start killing people. We already saw that with a parish priest. But when you start, you know, advancing, expanding this theater, which is what he wants, this is going to very quickly devolve into a religious war.
Paul Dan's, Republican candidate for the United States Senate, challenging Lindsey Graham.
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