UFL 2024 Rules, Game Ball and More!

Well, happy Friday, everybody back here another live episode. But I think that's okay here, good catch up, you know, in an ideal world where maybe we're sending out game ball press releases, not at five point thirty in the morning, happy to go live and kind of do all that stuff as it happens. We are timing this week. We had the rules come out on CFL Free Agency Day and everything else, so we are here now you're catch all all the UFL rules, the game ball merchandise, all the

transactions, AJ McCarron, everything else. We have John Lewis here looking snazzy. I like his mice's studio. It's a shame. And then we have producer Max here kind of keeping us on track today. I'm Max a part of the work for us now clocking in and clocking out here. So Max is here catching up on everything today and then I'll be out of town next week, so knowing that uniforms and all this cool stuff will be coming out, but in the meantime we'll do this. John came on back before kind

of ending the season. I think looking forward, I like to do a welfare check before we get into everything. How are you feeling here, it's like forty two It wasn't a cool number to you today, like forty days to countdown? But how are you feeling here heading in? Well, I'm feeling optimistic about this. I laugh because I think one of the times we talked about, you know, if the merger talk, it's like, why would they bother with UFL? Like what kind of cachet does the UFL have?

I mean, we all remember the old one, but I'm looking forward to it. It seems like as you guys know, you know, it's like there's this a trickle of information and then that turns into like someone open a fire hydrant. So it's been it'll be interesting to see like what happens within the next would you say forty two days or so? But no, I'm I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, I'm old. I remember the original uf USFL. So if we can just you know, we've got two or

three seasons here so far, so I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm staying positive on this. Yeah, I think, and I want to get Max and Sids on this. I think in the perfect world, like there was a ton of news this week, I wasn't really I was very whelmed by kind of how everything came out. And I know we're kind of well, it's you know, post super Bowl and we don't have a lot and Okay, who really cares about Like I just I felt like anything this week excitement

level wise, it was kind of like the bar min. Okay, we're getting everything out. We'll get everything out. Max, How did how did it suit you? Because we got you know, this was the most information we've gotten this week. I would say since kind of the initial merger talks. It just it's like, oh, yeah, we have this thing, we have that thing that we that we were finally having, But at the same time, it still doesn't feel put together, like for example, the

shop uh disaster. Uh, we'll get into that later, the the under Armor situation. Not a fan of that not being resolved either. You have like Murky player transaction situations, and also you have the natural like skepticism of yeah, all these things are confirmed now, but is it really going to

be as good as it was? Whenever you're taking away all these things that made the league as the leagues as good as they were, taking away roster spots, taking away players, taking away teams, it's gonna be interesting to see how it all melts together. Yeah, and this is just for the record, this is why we have Max and John today because John's a little optimistic, is a little assess. I think together we'll get to all that.

Yeah, I it feels like we're getting there. Like I said that, I still I want one of these and whether it was the schedule last week or the rules, like I just want one of these to really kind of hit and just I don't know, I want anything to spark, maybe even the way the USFL stepped to kind of do its initial lunch. But speaking, big News today warranted its own press release the AJ McCarron signing, And this was weird. I know, John, I know you're off of

Twitter a little more on threads. There seemed to be like this big who's gonna break the scoop of the A J. McCarran signing, Like even though you know he was released from the Bengals and we kind of knew all this stuff, and we had the Howard getting involved and Marty was talking, okay, he's actually finally kind of signed out. John, on your level, is this warranting the press release everything this morning? A J. McCahon returning

to the league. What do you think because we have the Matt carral stuff as well. This week we're gonna talk about right. No, yeah, I get it sounds like I'm missing a lot over there on Twitter. No, I think it did because you know, McCarran was he was one of the stars of the league. I don't know if he resonated outside of you know, our niche of spring football, but I mean he got some attention,

and he was the XFL record holder. I guess there are a lot of people that did that since there was only really one season of the XFL and you know, twenty twenty three. But you know, I think it warranted that because you make a good point there read about we needed some news to hit you know the shop, as Max said, what's underwhelming and you know the schedule that was fine and that that got a little momentum. But I think it got It's not getting the outside momentum because this league has to

get casual fans. But I think for us, you know, you know, us basement dwellers who liked spring football. I mean, this this warranted a press release. I think that that's mainly who's going I think going to the UFL site right now, I don't know that the casual football fan who's just wondering, you know, what's next in pro football? Is the UFL side that much? Yeah, Max, in terms of and I think there

was a different, uh narrative where I think people are excited. The AJ mccarriy, the Matt Crow thing was a little more like, Okay, he maybe it was washed out or didn't work out, and he's trying to revive, Like what do you make of the agent and kind of that that differing

where it seems like there's two different narratives on these two different players. On Corral, it just kind of feels like it's another guy who was a talented player in college who didn't work out in the NFL, who was a decent draft pick who didn't work out, was trying to sprintand the Spring league just add another name to the long list. Right, he could work out, he could not. We'll find out mccaren I mean, obviously he was a

statistical leader. He was winning MVP awards or the equivalent of Offensive Player of the Year because the XFL did not want to have an MVP award because of reasons uh and so. And also on top of that, it's it's a BattleHawks player and arguably the most prominent BattleHawks player. So I think anything that happens on the battle Hawks that's that is important to that team. You could argue warrant a press release just because of the attention that team gets. And

so I think the reaction to mccaren is fair. And I get to like the muted somewhat or less like positive reaction to Matt Carral because he's more of an unknown at this level. John, Are we like I'm a little over the battle Hawks hype right now? I'm just a little like it feels a little like because the Stallions, I think obviously did a great job with the USFL and building that fan base and you know, we've been out there and you know we have tons of you know, hardcore like Greg Gray's of the

world that you listen to the shows every week. But like with the battle Hawks, it's that way with the XFL, where I'm like, I'm a little over this now. You know, it's not even like you won anything. I mean, spoiler alert, you didn't even make the playoffs, Like, are we over that? Are you kind of still numb to the whole battle Hawks. I mean, you know, I'm alright with the battle Hawks. They're fine, and you know it's not like I'm a fan or anything,

but no, I mean I get it. They You know, if you're if you are the UFL, you've got to, like, you've got to feed into the BattleHawks because they were the premier team even though they didn't make the playoffs. You're right, you didn't win anything, but you know, the fan support there and now to the point where most likely that's where the championship is going to be. I mean, Max is guys, has that even been official yet? Or is that another one? Someone's going to

try to break that one here pretty soon? Well RJ put it out right, Max, and then took it back, So I think it's official, and it's not officially now. It's Max that if I read that correctly, I mean, that would be the logical assumption. I would not say it is any more official than r J. Young put it in an article, and that everybody else wants it to be true because people have been reporting that

it's going to be in Saint Louis since what last summer. Like everyone is good, Everyone just wants to speak this new distance and like we'll find out whenever. You know, we got we got plenty of time to word about that. Yeah, But I mean, but you know, with the Saint Louis the brand, I think it was a spring good spring football brand, much like you know when you mentioned Birmingham too, And what are they gonna do with all those quarterbacks down there? That's what I'm still trying to figure

out. But no, I mean, I get the Saint Louis hype, you know, strike strike that while the iron is hot, because if they come out and kind of flock, then you gotta wonder, like, where's everyone going to go with this? Yeah, it's a lot you know, it's a lot of pressure. Run back to you know, coach Back, and I remember he you know, uh, well we have it where they were changing the playoff rules and then they didn't really right and that's why we

didn't report that. And then I even remember when we had the schedule out and we had the press release in front of us, and people like well Coach Beck said they were changing it's this is the official release right now, but a lot of pressure on that we had seen. I think it was

Wednesday before this came out Brandon Silver's also joining the battle Hawks. Max, What do you make because oh, is that is that the big signing, like this is the smoke of Berrs with ag But to have the Brandon Silver's on there as well, does that even does he even make the roster at this point in Matt love Brandon. So I have his signs, I've read done my office, but I had a sign shirt behind me for many years.

I mean, Manny Wilkins hasn't played significant numbers of snaps and quarterback at the quarterback position since what his preseason time with the Packers, So I'd say by default Silver's is the backup unless there's like a massive upset on the part of Manny Wilkins. So yeah, I don't think Brandon Silver is getting cut.

I think he's the certified backup and the veteran option behind mccarrn. H. Well, we'll and we'll do. You know, we're kind of getting in, like I said, head and end the break, we'll do kind of full at training current previous. I know Pat is going to do quarterback rankings and stuff on his channel, analyze and educate over the weekend. Pat would have been on it just him crazy with work as well. But I think we'll get past off, we'll kind of do deep dies of all the

teams. We'll figure all this stuff out. But uh yeah, and then the where's corral? I is that Birmingham? Is that where he's going? Right? Yeah? And I'm you know, I mean, how many quarterbacks can skip Holts have down there? I know you want, you know, some camp arms. But it seemed interesting to me, Like on paper, I thought jbar Smith going in was gonna be the guy. And then you know our guy, uh r, j He's got other ideas. And then they add Matt Carrall to the whole thing. So yeah, I don't know,

but that, yeah, he's ended up there. It seems like the a few people have said had said the phrase, yeah, the rich get richer down at Birmingham. Yeah, but I think I don't know. To me, that's a fine signing with him. I mean, I remember him getting drafted and that was kind of one of the weaker classes here the last couple of years. Like, I think that's fine. He's close enough to having been on anything versus like we gotta get Johnny Benzel back or whatever.

Like I think I think he's kind of had been in whatever, Max, because I know this will get the rust have you. We're seeing a lot of comments at Canton for the championship game, not Saint Louis, like besides Space. I mean, I think you'd wanted in the Dome regardless of it, but that's Canton just because the USFL had a cup of coffee there. I don't know if that would be my game plan. USFL fans want everything done their way and it just does not reflect actually growing interest in the league.

Putting the game in canon would not grow interest in the league whatsoever. It would not attract fans, and on top of that, the ticket prices would be bargain bin basement prices, just like they've been in the past two years. There's no logical reason to put it in canon other than to appease

USFL executives. The same way there was no logical reason to have the kickoff be the way it is, but they did it anyway, the same reason why they have four USFL teams and four XFL teams, even though one of them is actually an XFL brand, because they just had to appease the USFL executives and the coaches and the XFL side everything's half and half, you know. So no, I don't think Ken is a good idea, and I

don't think it has to be Saint Louis. But I absolutely don't think it can be in a place where a team is not located, and it definitely needs to be one of the more popular teams, Like I would really don't want to see a title game somewhere where the brand isn't strong, Like I don't want a Houston title game. I definitely don't want a Rice Stadium Houston

Townian to be horror. Right. It's it's hard because we're bordering on and I know Birmingham had a lot of this, you know a season one going into two of like okay, well they're the home team and they had you know it was there more preferential treatment towards them, or then they have an

you know, is there an ascarsk there? And I know we're bordering that way with the battle Hawks and just in terms of like okay, then we're doing the press release Regie mccaarroon and we got back going that we're doing all this stuff. Like I liked almodome. I thought that was great and obviously I was at the Championship game. I don't think my wedding schedule will allow us to be at the championship game this year. We'll probably do a show.

I just don't think I can get out Sunday morning to do it. But I thought that was fine. Kind of a central location. I mean, this time around, you know where most of the teams being central and East Coast, obviously, I think Saint Louis makes a little more sense. But I liked it, especially when you had Seattle in Vegas fans last time. I thought the Alamo Dome worked well. We have a little bit of a breaking news. I guess here what'll bring to him, Mike Mitchell?

This how the article out? Any other thoughts? John on the the and we can always circle back later. But I'm the Mcarey and anything else, uh No, I mean, yeah, I think Saint Louis is gonna get some preferential treatment. And I think that some of the other teams outside of Birmingham are going to try to are gonna have to maybe you know, earn some some clout with all this. But you're right, I mean, I can understand why they wouldn't want to put it in Saint Louis, and I'd

ask Brian Kennedy, who is a sports reporter at KMOV. I had him on my channel and ask him, do you think that if the Saint Louis BattleHawks aren't in the championship and the championships in Saint Louis, Like, are you really gonna you know, they're not gonna you know, the guess is they're probably not gonna sell the four hundred level like they're doing for these first few games. My favorite was last not this last Great Cup, but two

Gray Cups to go. It was in Regina and the Rough Riders were not in the championship game, but their rival, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers were, and a lot of the Saskatchewan fans that had bought tickets hoping that their team would be in the Great As opposed to selling the tickets to Winnipeg fans just out at home and it was like a half empty stadium, which I've got with, you know, the great irony of like the CFL, like we're gonna shoot you know, we're shooting ourselves in the foot here, like we're

so whatever, Max anything else. I got that article from Mike I'm going to pull up. We have some training camp details, which is exciting. Yeah, I'll make this one quick. So the other thing I really don't want what the title game is. I don't want it in a stadium that's going to be getting renovated soon, because you could get a much better experience from that same stadium if you just wait a few years. For example, the Liberty Bowl is getting renovated right now. Well not right now, they

just finished raising a significant amount of money to start renovating it soon. So I would wait till like twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven to put something in the Liberty Bowl for example. Also, i'd rather they didn't stick it in a large, open air stadium, and if they didn't put it in Saint Louis, I really think DC's intractive option, especially when you consider the attendance from the twenty twenty three X of L title game. If it was

like twenty two thousand, I think I think that was the number. So

I mean the DC stadium capacity is like nineteen thousand. You can take a little less capacity, jack up a ticket prices, and you have a ton of premium hospitality options at that venues, and it would be such a great crowd experience at that facility, and I just think that's it's kind of in the way it's the gem of the league in terms of the most quality atmosphere you can get, ignoring the number of fans because even if you only have

like a three quarter full stadium, it's still super loud. I like the DC hopefully they'll allow people in the beer snake section are DC Defenders fans, and we don't know how that worked out. We had that comments here updating the Saint Louis turf and everything. I will say in your I laugh when you talk about doing a Hey, let's wait till twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight. It's kind of like I have my merchandise comments yesterday. People

like, just give them time. Yeah, because time. That's the thing that all spring football leagues is have wealth and a mount at this time. This is interesting here, Mike. This is just coming out from the UFL Sports Illustrated site here, which we're part of as well. This will be on here afterwards. Appreciate that I got on the CFL side as well this week with our ICFL free agency, but we have some training camp details.

This just came out X nothing really breaking. Its interesting. So the teams will be practicing together down in Arlington training Camp beginning of February twenty fourth. We've known that, but mike' scott the breakdown here where the defenders and we'll be playing with practicing with the rough next year at Brahmas with the Panthers St. Louis Balahawks and the Memphis Showboats and then the Renegades and the Stallions. You know, kind of cross pollination here, whatever, Max, any thoughts

on this? You think this is interesting? I mean, I haven't really cared as much about the alignments this year because the setup is so different and all the history that we had before with like the oh we're going to play a pair of the Texas teams together here or whatever that, and also so you don't have the same like personal history the same way you you did before some of these pairings. So like, I'm less interested in the pairings.

I'm more interested in the facilities. But I'm sure there's they're pretty similar. If not, they might even be just the exact same ones they used last year for the XFLUH. I haven't adaw though. Yeah. Newsom South Lake, Carol and then the Old State the Renegade Stadium, and then there was it was the Northwest ID one or whatever. Yeah, so as long as it's all those ones, it's the same ones. But yeah, I mean

it all looks good, you know, hopeful. I don't I don't remember all the exact details on the training camp Paigy, but I'm I think it was still better than what it was for the USFL before because it's the carryover rays on that contract, So it's it's the best compromise you could get out

of a bad situation. John, in terms of I would just a little bit with Max in terms of like when we were doing the schedule Rundown last week with Andy, like, uh, maybe not for training camp, but some of these matchups on paper are exciting to me, right, Like obviously we have the Stallions versus Renegades, right, Stallions versus battle Hawks when that comes up, you know, kind of circling things on there, even if the teams are finally kind of slightly different. Uh. I like having the

conferences. I kind of think that's kind of what we wanted it to be. And then people were like, no, they can't do it. What do you make of this kind of the cross pollination and building on at least, you know, not the history between the two leagues as much, but you know these you know, these marquee like the Defenders playing anyone in the USFL feels like a big deal to me. Oh, I know, I

totally agree. And I'm glad too, because I think we had talked about this before too, about how it would be a shame for the XFL and the USFL brand to just go away. So I'm fine with the conferences and then you've got you know, and it also makes a division between fans, whether that's good or bad of the USFL lovers and XFL haters and vice versa.

I do wonder how much we're going to get out of train in camp, though, I'm hoping that the UFL really kind of goes in on, you know, sending out content and you know, I kind of missed the United by Football Show, remember that the in I don't think they did it last year in the USFL, but they did it the first year and it kind of told a lot of the players stories and you really got some behind

the scenes stuff. So I'm hoping that maybe the UFL will do some of that this year, and and I think that, you know, when you tell those stories and those kinds of shows, I think you can you can you can build some casual fans up like that. You know, shark Dog became he was a he was a he was a minor celebrity there for a while. Yeah. Well, I was trying to think of the other the other side, Matt, what do you what do you make of that?

Well, I guess my question would be like, I feel like social has been getting a little bit better, at least kind of from what I'm tracking, you know, timing of posts and said. But I feel like we're doing doing better. How do you feel like overall marketing wise going into this, at least social media? Oh? Yes, me? Oh yeah, so uh. I'm a fan of the fact they got the town halls going for all the teams. I'm a fan of the fact that social media seems

to be largely put together. And by the way, I should have said this earlier, I'm completely happy about excited for the games as much as anybody else. I mean, obviously, but the lack of the promotion didn't feel very strong. During the NFL playoffs, we got that nice pregame mentioned and we got the moment with Jimmy Johnson and Dwayne that was good. We had

the game day moments. But then after that, like on a national broadcasting scale, it's been kind of muted compared to where you would want it to be, especially you know, spring football just got stronger or whatever, and then your advertising muscle does not really feel like it's any stronger than it was. In fact, it kind of feels like they're intentionally cutting back to you know, say some some dollar bills. But you know, I mean that

at least the local marketing efforts that they had before carried over. I wish it was at the standard where it needs to be instead of just where it was. Yeah, I like the town hall seeing now, I know DC just had one right seeing them kind of running around the stadium, I will say, yeah, I mean tomorrow is this is kind of going out, would be right XFL you know, kickoff date whatever. Certainly different here where we have a month and a half. Yeah, I don't know where you

kind of slot in the marketing here coming up. I will say, like the Rock is so involved right now in the wwe really kind of surprised just in the last three weeks here and it really just has kind of become a pivotal with john I don't know if you kind of follow any of that, but like he's like turning heel and they're like, he's fusing with Cody and I mean really as much as I've seen him devote to that. So I don't know, you know, whereas the Rocks head at with kind of any

of this stuff. But you know, I just don't know where we slot here, because the XFL did a good job kind of slotting you pre Super Bowl going in or the USFL kind of I don't know where we air in this stuff. And let people know now that there's a month and a half to go, yeah, I mean, and yeah, I saw it. And there are a lot of people that are starting to turn against the Rock now. I saw some some social media chatter against that, like yeah,

and you know, and the Rocke hit. He you know, Dray Johnson has said that he is as hands on with this league as he was with the XFL, which is kind of surprising. But I do wonder if they're you know, there's a little bit of a law right now, and I wonder if you know, to Max's point there, if they start to maybe uh, you know, do a little bit more of a push here in the next I won't say a couple of weeks, but you know, maybe some stuff comes out, uh you know, because social media is free,

so they can push some stuff out on social media through training camp. But I think once March starts, I think that's a really good opportunity to start. You know, you are a lot of the casual sports fan attention is going to go to the NCAA tournament. But I think you can you can squeeze in there and hopefully we'll see a little bit more of a push as we get, you know, closer to kick off, which you know, we've got a while, but yeah, I'm really hoping to see that.

I can understand the lull right now. There's really not a lot that I think could grab the casual van and bring them in here, you know, a month and a half away, I will say, And like I said, I think that if you want a little bit of POI constructive criticism here. I know we'll talk about the merchandise here coming out, but uh, I think the teams are doing really good and we've had like the schedule releases and we can talk about times, you know, times a day and all

that. I joke online right like because it's hey, it's five in the

morning. We have my but you know, it's like joking here. The main XFL account I think could do better because what happens and I follow, I have it turned on where I get the notifications fro you know, when the league posts, I don't have all the team ones, and the teams will do all this great stuff all day, and then whoever is running the XFL one will log on like at noon and just retweet eighteen things and then log off again and then log back on like at three and retweet eighteen things

and then like so, I think I think overall the league one could do a little bit better that way, kind of spreading out and parson. But I think the teams, I mean to kind of round this out and then we'll move on to the game ball and stead. I've been pleasantly surprised with the team stuff right now. Yeah, I mean they seem to be keeping attached. I just the way the team accounts, not the team becounts.

The league accounts are set up right now still bothers me because it's like we have yeah, yeah, except for that, except that it's the XFL priantasies UFL or whatever, Yeah USFL for this is UFL And they won't get the gold check for the other one, but they'll have the gold check for one. And it's only going to cause more confusion. And it seems like their logic is we'll leach off o our arch spot and the algorithm by holding on

to our names. And it's just like you're you're only going to be able to play this this this tightrope so long before eventually it's it's going to confuse people so much that you're going to have to make a decision on committing to this brand. Because currently this brand is nothing more than what's on the league balls, they say on TV and what's in the advertising. Like there's no

outward pushing on all their posts. It's like that whenever you see your account name, unless they have a hashtag that's the UFL or we are the UFL, or this is the UFL schedule, you wouldn't even know if it's if it's a UFL account, if it's coming from the league, because it says US, it's going to say USFL or XFL. That's the logo you're going to see because they still have the logos on there on on I think one of them, at least I think both of them. So that's the USFL

account. That's still USFL, right, the FL one is that the USFL is still the USFL account. Yeah, Like the logos are all not in conjunction with each other. It's it's a mess. It's it just disturbs me. For if you're going to push a new brand, then commit to it and they don't. They don't commit to it, and it bothers me. Well, I'm still like this when I post the Twitter thing and then like hashtag UFL, hashtag United Football League hashtag HL like I'm trying to get the

name thing. I'm like, I still kind of go back and forth, Like if I just call all this the UFL rules, Is that enough cache now? Or do I need to have parentheses? You not in football league? Like, I don't you know, I don't really know. We'll get it into the rules first up lets, because I think we'll get a little bit quicker through this. So we have at the league ball right, This is always exciting. I know Seth was order number two on the site.

John I think was after as well on the top I was number eleven, number eleven, Uh this week, like we showed this when The Rock was on Fox. But then I feel like this is different in the back now where we have the the conferences and all of this all all defer to Max first on this that thoughts on the game ball, what do we make?

It's simple, it has a logo, and I'll say this, it doesn't look ugly, which can not be said about some spring football footballs in the past, like the AAF where the ball legit was ugly and looks like a

college football was what a wrong opinion. Max would going, Sorry, it's a ball that's completely bland and has no style and also has a really expensive chip in it that you can't that the fans can't touch, so you know, I don't like it anyway, This one at least has some reflective material on it, no signature, because this is the United League and now Danny can't just you know, push herself all over this league like she could the

XFL. So take that for whether you like it or hate it the whole like, oh yeah, we're gonna have each conference on that and not even have a logo. A just text is kind of bland to me and disappointing. But I like that they have the team logos on the balls, So that's all I got. Yeah, I like me personally. I mean the XFL ball was the coolest. I mean, in my opinion, I have

it somewhere here with the tip on the end. It was supposed to whatever I liked the USFLM before, where at least we had like the stars on just anything that may it be a little more different. I saw comments on the ball talking about the large amount of the paint on it potentially making it slip more slippy trying to catch the ball. I don't know if that if that's the thing, But John, I'm not the biggest fan of this logo, so this is a hard sell for me anyway. But what do you

think? Yeah, I mean I like it and it but it also goes back to you know, USFL and the XFL were supposed to be fifty to fifty. There you go. Yeah, I mean that was good, las I mean, this is this is one percent and what you can't see, like you can see there, but if anybody looked at the actual detail of that ball, the grip on it, you know, it's I mean,

it's incredible, the little x's on there. I mean, I just that's that is probably my favorite spring football and I've got a few, but it just seems like, you know, the XFL ball was the same way as the USFL with the shiny logo and kind of, you know, kind of a simple design. I was hoping for a little bit more of some color in there. But I did order one, and I what I was, well, and I know we're going to talk about the shop, but what

was interesting was that's the ball that you're showing there. That's the one that I ended up getting, I think today or either later that day. They added where you could get the different team balls, which I you know, which is fine. I mean I might have gotten I don't know who I would have gotten, if it would have been Birmingham or Saint Louis or you know, somebody I don't even know, Renegades because they were a champion, I don't know. But yeah, I mean I did. I've got the

league ball, so I'll take that. But I mean it was just those are so much nicer, and I do like the you know, the the subtle logo on it, with the teams I saw, so does the back It sure would be nice if there was a picture of the back. Does it have the does it have the conference layout on it? Like where this is is out on the back side of it when we have the team. It's a good question. I don't I don't know if you even if you

can click on there and see. I don't know. I don't want to criticize too much, but I do you know, because like here you can see the battle Hawks, that's obviously the underneath. There's no there's no other photo of that, so don't I don't know. Does it's a hot stamp complimentary conference marks, so that's got to be on the other side. So it looks like the ones sold out already. It looks like the Brahmas has sold out already. Max one hundred and seventy five. I some people going

crazy, but I think that's the price. This is like an official game ball. I thought that was the price of like the NFL one as well. I can't remember the cost of the NFL one. I thought it was like two hundred, but I think that's for like over two hundred. You're right, the authentic one is over two hundred. And then there's like a replica version that's like I don't know, one hundred or less. I don't know. I don't know how much that one is. But if these are

authentic balls, then one hundred and seventy five is fair. If it's not an authentic ball, then one hundred and seventy five is absurd. So and it doesn't really say it just has official ball, but that doesn't mean it's

authentic. That just means it looks exactly like it. So, and it comes from Big Games, So I want to I want to give them credit because they they do really good work with these, and I'm thinking that for one hundred and seventy five dollars and it being big game, that that should be an authentic ball hopefully, But you know it's it's the league's discretion, so what kind of ball they want to sell? So no way to know

until you get one in your hands, you know. Yeah, I the logo thing is fine, And man, I know they did that before. I prefer like we said, how the XFL did it? I don't, you know, it's pretty simple. The silver I don't know, it's not it's not super inspiring to me, not that I think that you want things to be outlandish, but like I to go, I've had the XFL ball, had enough to make it stand out. Again. We'll get to the rules here at the minute. I like having things that are a little bit

differentiating. When we were talking like, hell, what's the deal? Well, you know, because this ball they got the tracking thing on it, you know, and then they you know, they can do the kickoff or whatever. Like I like having a little different things so they can kind of do that. Anything else on this we can get to the shop in general, Max, John, do you have anything else on the ball? No, I'm hoping that it'll get here sooner rather than later, and I'll give

you a report on it. The only thing I have for you is that, naturally, as long as these leagues try to angle to be embody in partnership with the NFL, they're going to try to make their ball look like an NFL ball and feel like an NFL ball. So this bland look does not surprise me at all, even if it's disappointing. So this is a Max sent me the Okay, we have other photos of the of the ball.

Okay, So in terms of the shop itself, here and you know, so this went on yesterday because I really, let's just get like whatever up here. They've added more stuff today. John was pointing out they have the UFL I like this with the black and gray, with the logos and all that stuff. Because I was just so annoyed yesterday when the press release came out at five point thirty that that was kind of all I focused on. And then when I got up, I go, okay, let me

kind of look through all of this stuff. And I had put out a tweet where I was talking where I was very kind of underwhelmed by, you know, by the quality of the teams, and I didn't want to be too harsh, but I just, you know, we're kind of launching all of this stuff. I just I found the options here and just to kind of if people are on Twitter, the balls are obviously added. The only Renegades sure that you can get with the renegadst logo on. It has the

schedule on the back. I've been told two of the schedules are in fact incorrectly marked, so to take that for what you will. And then the other options you have are with a helmet with the Renegades, so you can't get just Arlington Renegade's thing without that, and then obviously you kind of have this polo, not a lot of options for sweatshirts and crew sweatshirts and you

know, black shirts, white shirts. Ever tweeted that out. I heard back from the league and they wanted to know that, you know, more items would be coming, and I certainly understand that the things I'm looking for, even like hats. There's no XFL hats on here. The only hats you have are the carryovers from the USFL. But we don't count the gamblers because now they're the roughnecks, and so we really only have three teams. I'm like talking just a black flex fit. You know, I got a

lot of hats. Max's initial thoughts on kind of the shop because, like I said, I said a lot of my PCs yesterday and I I was told it felt like my opinion was heard, but maybe not appreciate it. So what did you think? It's not enough stuff, It's not enough interesting stuff. And on top of that, some of the stuff they have is straight up poor quality, like having mismatching schedules is very bad form, for example, and then also like none of the stuff they have or at least

for the XFL teams. I haven't looked at all the USFL style stuff, but it seems they've retained a lot of the stuff they had, and some of that looks nice. Some of it's a little bland, Like I'm not a fan of the cameo hats. Sorry, but this is like stuff they had before, right, I mean, this is this is I mean they had this show. But so it's not we didn't make anything. Yeah,

yeah, it all like I said, until I see otherwise. It feels like they're doing their most to avoid making as much stuff as possible so that they don't have to spend as much money, and until it's proven otherwise, until I see some more stuff other than if they just make all this new era stuff for the XFL teams and make nothing else, that's not enough.

So unless I see some under Armoor stuff or something else that's distinct, maybe something from home Field that makes a lot of college sports uh T shirts and hats, those are really nice. If they make something like that, I'll be interested, but otherwise I'll just be Disappointedest kid here as a comment,

Hey guys, you're doing the best. I totally understand. Again, and this is I never do it. And because we'll talk rules in stuff here as well, and I talk social media like I never try to criticize without giving what. You know, what I think is something that is easily done. Like I said, having black white shirts with the team logos that they added with the league logos, having black black spit hats. I'm not doing

this as as a commercial on here, but this is the mark. And no one has ever bought like Paul and I used to buy something you know, we would make like uh, you know, this is just me on a like you know, you just and I know this is like a drop shipper and they send it, you know, and you gotta do they're going through like you know, I should not my podcast it sells no merchandise that has no you know of any kind like should not have like better or more

robust options, and especially with when you're launching this because like John said, oh I went back today and they have more footballs. If I was someone that I went on yesterday, I'm not checking again today and tomorrow. Oh, like what did they get in that? Like I kind of go on and look. I sent it to my friends who were Sea Dragon's sticket holders. They went on and looked and they said, not a lot of options. Seems overpriced. Like, I'm probably not going to look back again,

John, you're the optimist here, so what do you think? Well again, I mean I was. I had the credit card out and logged on because you know, our boy Seth there, as you said, he sends me an email like at you know, eight o'clock local time in the in the morning is like the shops open. So I'm like, I immediately log onto my computer, get the credit card out because I knew I was going to buy a football. But I was like, okay, I love long sleeve T shirts, so I was like, I'm gonna get a UFL long

sleeve. I'll get a Saint Louis, I'll get a Birmingham. And they didn't have and they had no I didn't see except for a polo. All they had was a UFL branded polo, none of the UFL T shirts. And another thing, I noticed they don't have any women's clothing either. So I'm, you know, not that my wife is really you know, dying for any UFL merchandise. But I mean, you know, it's not ninety it's probably ninety nine percent men, but you know, you would think that

there would be some women's merchandise. That's why I think with especially with the under Armor, as Max pointed out, with under Armour, I think there's got to be some more merchandise coming. So we've had some added today and then So I did buy a UFL T shirt today and then had to pay shipping on top of what I paid for shipping yesterday, but I begrudgingly did it. So but now you know, I'm reluctant to go back on next week and say, oh, well, there's three or four more things I

want to get and I'm gonna have to pay shipping again. But I'm really hoping that they will continue to add and add, and I'm hoping the T shirts are good quality. I think it's from I think Breaking Teas are Well. Is the merchandiser for this, I'm not totally sure, but that's what it looked like, and I think they make pretty good stuff, so I'm optimistic about that. I just I'm like, I'm looking here, like I have I have two Kraken hats like right here, next like I am like,

I am your target demo for all this. I think I probably have fifteen washing commander hats. Don't tell them what. But like I am, I am your target demo, so like that's why I'm just like I you know, these are the people and and this we had David had the comment here, you know, you only have one chance to make a first impression.

We'll hide that sweete Mexico. And that's all I'm saying. Right, And I understand more sparciality out in, and I understand that we're working through all that, but uh, you know, I don't I don't know how the XFL had their shop and the USFL have their shop and then when they merge, now we have less combined. That's just hard for me to comprehend Max anything else. And that's because here go John, Sorry, I'm sorry,

read. I was just going to point out, you know, the stuff that you have on your site is probably what is that shopify or one of those things. It's like a job ship. So I get it's not you know, it's not Apple Staples. But nevertheless, you if you went

on the old XFL site, they had the same kind of stuff. They had, the tumblers, they had, you know, the plastic cups they had the slides, they had, all that kind of stuff was up there, so that's what now, if I remember correctly, they ended up adding a lot of that stuff later on, So maybe we're going to kind of see the same thing here. And if I'm not mistaken. Also, the old XFL shop is still up there, and I think it is a Shopify

shop. Yeah, And it was always weird with the XFL because like the wwe was still fulfilling orders like through that and it was going through all that, I will say, and because I had, like I said comments yesterday, you know, give them time. The best piece of merchandise XFL twenty twenty ever did was the starter jackets. And I have one that's you know,

got the dress, the dragon's logo and everything on it. That came and I got it to me the week the league shut down because of COVID, so like, and I understand different circumstances, but you don't always have have all this. Well, we've got nine months to get all this going, like you know, if you're so cash started max anything else on this because I don't want to be the negative Nancy, but I didn't want to

say. I'll say two things. First off, I don't know if all of them are made by Breaking Tea, because all the ones that I saw that had Breaking Tea or named Breaking Tea and have helmet on it, So I don't know if any of the other ones are Breaking Tea or not. I haven't really bought anything because I'm not really buying tons of merche right now,

but don't I don't know who else makes the rest of those. Second thing off my grace to a league who is owned by a massive media corporation and by a private equity firm that has billions of dollars in money to spend and the rock whenever they can't get more deep stuff in a shop than like a limited selection of T shirts and not even hats for like a significant proportion of their teams about a month before kickoff. My grace for that is pretty

low. So if it would be one thing, if they had the basic selection they have for those USFL teams, for all the teams, then I would at least be like fine. I would still not be happy, but I probably would not be bothered. But you can't. You can't give a pass to a massive corporation just because they have a hard time. It's your fault. You're not dedicating the resources to let your shot be better, to have enough employees to have the resources you need. And I'm willing to give

all the benefit of the doubt to every employee in the league. I am not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the owners. They have proven with the way they have run both of these leagues over the past couple of years, that they deserve to have everyone be skeptical of them after how they treated us these past couple years and how they treat their players and their

coaches and their employees. They deserve that. Yeah, I just this is basically becoming like read show and tell here, But I mean this is I mean, this is you know anyway, either words, I agree, And like I said, I think that the I think the team that the people that we know that are working kind of hand in hand and the social and

all that stuff, I think they're doing a tremendous job. I just think overarching, you know, I did not hear one person that was super like you know, the people either so like oh it's fine and more stuff's coming, or like they were disappointed. Big the other big news here and then we'll get the comments and question all that stuff XFL or you. You have UFL rules coming out. Wonderful timing for me, like half hour before we're

going live for CFL Free Agency opening, and here's the rule. So like only okay, so the one day you don't do the five thirty press release, you do it like at eleven. That's okay, guys, you gotta I gotta get one or the other. Here. Big takeaways. Right, we're doing the USFL kickoff, which I think is a mistake. I'll voice that in the minute. We're doing the XFL extra points. We'll go to max first on this. Big big takeaways from the from the rule books.

You it's another case of we got to have everyone's perfectly and half and no consideration on what's actually a smart decision. We gotta appease Darryl Johnston. We gotta have the USFL kickoff, We gotta have certain technology used a certain way. We got to get rid of the ball spotters, even though that made everything more efficient and it didn't cost that much, and it was just a logical choice to make all so that we can appease both sides of the equation

as much as possible. No one gets to have more pieces than the other, because God forbid, we actually try to build something better instead of just trying to smush two things together into some soup. And with that being said, most of these rules were things that we've already liked from past leagues anyway, and so other than those small things that I have bripes with about philosophy

and small choices that I don't like. Whatever, if you want to go against the NFL themselves, who themselves is looking at the XFL style kickoff, be my guest, you're gonna have to implement it anyway if the NFL cho is to use it, or else you're gonna look really weird. So have

fun with this mess while you have it. I get, I get one, and I get like, I understand what Max is say because it does feel that way we're trying to marry these two and like, you know, you too need to work together here, like we're gonna duct tape your hands and kind of you gotta work through all this. Uh where special teams are We've just seen with Kamani Turbain like, and that's a mode that we're going to get players to the NFL having to kick off. The more mirrors that.

At least I do get that that they're saying that, and I'll have more thoughts about that. I will say. If he's now at Amazon, and people that follow Sam Short seen on that Sam's been on twice in the past. If you look at the channel kind of you can just search the channel his interviews. He would come on again at Amazon, and there's all clearances and stuff where he can't. He's like, I can't do NFL or you can't. It's like I can't do any podcasts. But interesting private thoughts

with Sam kind of about all of this stuff. But if you want to know his thoughts, we did the XFL or the we did the him on after this everything collapsed and then we had them on again talking to USFL rules so interesting deep die of like forty minutes each time with Sam kind of talking about all that stuff. John what did you make of the rules here? Yeah, I agree with Max. It felt like it was there's a fifty to fifty split, and I maybe I'm in the minority. I don't know.

I love the XFL kickoff. I think it was safer. I think it looked cool, But Darryl Johnston said it doesn't look like football, so they he really wanted. He wanted that. It seems safer to me. I do like and I know, you know, you know, Brandon Aubrey was he was the big story last year. But to get rid of the extra point kick. It's like the old World Football League's action point where you have like the tiered system, and XFL did that as well. I really

like that. I think it adds to the game. You're never out of the game and you can add those points. So, you know, I'm fine with the rules. It was the whole like on side kick rules, so to speak, where it's either you know, fourth and twelve from the twenty eight or the thirty three. I guess they made some kind of they made. I'm kind of a compromise with that, But you know, I

like the rules. I think they're fine. I think they're different enough to distinguish this league from the NFL, but they're similar enough that people the casual fan out there who wants to watch pro football, they'll understand it. And you know, and I think the NFL can always take away something like Max said, the NFL was looking at the XFL kickoff, So I'm okay with

it. I like it. I I hated Daryl Johnson's comments about how the kickoff did not look like football, Like you you can think that, you just don't. You don't say that, But I mean, Daryl's the same when that came out, It's like, I'm befuzzled why our ratings are so terrible. It's like I also probably wouldn't have said that, Daryl. So I mean, I appreciate the transparency and the honesty here with that, but like I've said before, when you have one of these, like what is

the elevator pitch for this league? And that's probably what I look at, like, you know, you're talking with people like what's the deal with the XFL, Like well, like the Rock owns it, you know, and you can go for three points and then they have a unique kickoff, like you kind of got to have a couple of things right because you know double forward pass that that you know that works, but that's not you know, we saw it with what the Landry Jones infamously and all that stuff, but

like there's not and so I don't like getting rid of things like that. I also hate the USFL kickoff, and David has in the comments you're like because it does art officially inflate the yardage back and you're just we're just kicking the ball further back and that's not letting players get untouched to the thirty five yards line or whatever. Isn't exciting. And I think I understand why they do it because hey, let's kind of give these offenses a get go here.

But I don't like that so kind of a multitude of reasons. There max any thoughts on that. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just a way to artificially inflate offense. Also, also, the idea that the XFL kickoff doesn't get touchdowns isn't true. It's just a smaller sample size because you only had half of one season and that and for one of them, and they had a full season where you get one touchdown, but in the other half season you had two and a half season. So the idea that

you can't get touchdowns out of an XFL kickoff just isn't true. It just relies on creativity instead of just giving away yards. And that bothers me that

Daryl doesn't say it says doesn't look like football. Whenever he participated in the league that originated that kickoff and was totally pumping it at that time, but now that you know he was competing against the league that used that kickoff, he just wants to slide it. It's their two faced and is one of the many many reasons I do not like that man, and I will be very clear about that because I do not like him what one bit. I do not have my greenex in him anyway. But other than that, you

know, I'm interested to see. There's still some things that are unclear, like technology wise, are they going to be doing the automatic first down line thing? Again, I don't think that's been confirmed. The USFL and XFL crews are mashed together, so you have that new factor going on to everything's still pretty happ and half there and then the oh one more thing, the fourth and twelve, which was I believe was closer to the USFL style.

A J. Smith is looking at chops right now thinking about how he can just he can just hog the ball whenever he's coming back, because he can just if he was curved converting four to fifteen, and it's like crazy, could you image him going for fourth and twelves? You know, Anthony Beck's probably licking his chops and like, I'm so going for it in the first game, just like I did last year. Agent mccarren's looking his chops.

I feel like we're just we're just we're inflating offense to such a degree to where it's going to make things look impressive until you realize it's because we're intentionally making it easy. So take that for residue. Doesn't it feel like they're taking the punters out of this a little bit too, because if I understand the punting rule correct, you can't cough in corner punt. It's it comes out to the twenty five? Is that right? Am I right about that?

Or am I wrong? Yeah? It was similar. Sam was talking about that to me. He doesn't like how they He's like, I feel like they're not really understanding some of the rules that they were there before. Max. Any thoughts on the punny I haven't checked the yard lines for the coffin corner kicks, but in the twenty twenty XFL was the thirty five from what I remember, for the coffin corner all right, because they really didn't

want people kicking the ball out of bounds or doing touchbacks. They wanted to guarantee your return. So twenty five touch backs the kicks on the twenty five, the punty goes out of bounce inside we'll get there to say about.

Yeah, so that that's more how the XFL was. They trying to take a little bit more of that, except it's less strong of a punishment, and honestly, a lot of teams will just take that and take the twenty five just fine, whereas in the old league with thirty five, teams legitimately were afraid to do it. They would pooch kick it on purpose and make it land at the twelve, right, So good point. That's a good

point, whereas this version it's basically just saying you can have it. It won't be you won't get an extreme benefit from a coffin corner kick, but you won't be punished. And I want teams to be punished because I want returns, Because it was like six over sixty percent of punts were returned in the twenty twenty XFL, and I'm pretty sure the twenty twenty three way it

was pretty similar. But this is going to result in a lot more punts without a return, and that's disappointed me because the whole point of this is that we need more plays, we need more action, we need more excitement, we need less dead plays. So this is another case of your appeasing the USFL people just because and it's not actually helpful. It just makes your produc more boring. But that's just me. I'm just my opinion. Don't

don't fight me. We have dealing comments here. Just Max hate puppies, Max hate skins. But then we have someone asking for you to be UFL president because you're speaking the facts, very very very divisive here on the other I will say this, you know, and I remember when the who Max who was the guy that had the leaked podcast at the bar that was talking about all the like they're changing the rules and talking through all that Mosley or

something. No, no, it was Monos Jimnos yeahmo and ns. He was like an old Bills guy or something, and he was talking about Truvisky, not risky, Nathan Peerman and all that. So that was funny,

that was yeah. But the thing with that was they were trying you know, even the XFL originally right, they like and Sam talked about this having an interview, like you know, when we're doing that, and I like that they're doing the one, two, and three and you have to run the play right, because it doesn't incentivize anybody to go for two or three points if I can just kick a free point every time, but if you're forcing yourself to, you know, the teams to run a play after the

touchdown, you're going to get well, we might as well just go for two because you know, two versus five or whatever. But there was debate and Sam had talked about that, like, well, how much do we want to remove kickers from all of this because obviously, you know, you can still do the field goal, but you have this and like John said, with special teams obviously kind of the puncher limiting. And we had a comment here, you know, how would that How does that help any pund

make it to the NFL? Kind of having this so differing there. I do like that you have to run the place You're like the XFL feels. I'm glad that that stuck around even if we lost the kickoff. What do you say, John? Yeah? Again, as Max continues to point out, it's all compromised, so I you know, and I'm people don't tune in to football games to you know, watch the kigging game. So I get that to a point, but I just, yeah, it just feels

like and that's that's a really good point. A lot of you know, it seems that the at least you know us, it's been a small sample size, but it's the special Teams players who have had the most opportunity to move to that next level, not just because of these tryouts or going into training camp, but they get into training camp because they what they what these teams have seen on tape. And I just it feels like you're you're taking

some of that out. And this is supposed to be another league of opportunity and all that, and you know, the player fifty four and all of that. So that's a little disappointing because I think it does limit some opportunities for Special Teams players to move on to that next level. Just live hinted

the player vidy four. Uh that Moge with the BC Lions was down at the he was at Vegas for the super and he was doing interviews and he the rock just happened to walk by, and it was right when they were getting ready to do the Rock and run and rains and kind of all that stuff and He's like, oh, you know, Rock, Like you're really taking the Battle of Alberta to another level because obviously rum and rains. He

had a cup of coffee with the Eskimos and then the Rock. I'm like, we're really pushing the narrative here, like like now we're like moving the CFL stuff in the Rock and all that. I do like the the two feet I've seen a lot of USML people now like that's what makes it better.

I think the two feeds better. Max, any thoughts on that or anything else on John's comments, I'd rather they inflate offense with one foot catch for safety and for quite frankly, helping college players develop into NFL players because you're a lot of young players. Then have two feet catch and make it just as hard as the NFL is for receiver right out the gate, second off. Just to go back to the punt rules really fast, because this is stuck in my craw Okay, listen, If the punt rules didn't help

players get to the NFL, how come Dan Willy made it. If the punt rules didn't help players in the NFL, how come the increased degree of difficulty made it more impressive? Their ability to punt the ball d if. I don't buy that argument, because the results are in the proof is in the pudding. If anything, the difficulty helps them keep the ball in bounce, It helps them roll the ball in without getting the end zone. It makes them more precise, It makes it more challenging, it makes it more

frustrating. But I'd rather have trial by fire than them not being able to make the cut, So you know, I don't agree with that notion. I think the idea that a rule being hard inherently makes it worse for special teams guys whenever they need to have difficulty and precision and repeated reps is bad.

Whereas if you have extra difficulty for a receiver whenever it's so hard for them just to focus on running routes and catching the ball to then on top of that, put on the two feet difficulty whenever they're just trying to make a camp. No one is really worried yet about an XFL receiver USFL receiver being the to the toe drag swag guy and making fantastic catches and starting consistently that that's not a realistic expectation for any XFL USFL UFL even CFL receivers for

the most part. So that's why I don't like that. David says he's going to customize the team jersey with a punter on it. Uh. But they say you want Trabot fire respecial teams. But then you're okay with the one you know, you want the one foot it too, Like I you know, that's I justify my reasoning. I justified myself. John any other found f on the TV because I I I like that. I think what Fanka til Football did the one or I can't remember what they their rules were.

I did laugh. They the NBA was showing like a led floor that they're going to use for the All Star Game, and like bankatl Football sitting there like, damn it we have. But I think the two feet's good. I'm okay with it just because that's what these receivers are going to have

to do to get to the next level. But I will say, being Devil's advocate, and you know, as Max was saying, if it cuts, if it starts to cut down on offense, you know, then you might want to revisit that because you don't want seven three games as finals. Uh. That because that's not going to catch you know, I keep saying casual fans, but I really believe that for this league to succeed, it

can't be us, you know, just watching this. It's got to be some some outside people and they don't want to watch seven three games because people already scoff at spring football. There's a lot out there. It's easy to do because of the many because of the history of spring football. But if you if it's if this will work and it will get guys to the next level and you can have the offense, it might be a lot to ask, but I'm but the bottom line is I'm okay with it because I think

that's going to help these players more than anything. Yeah, I don't again, just surround up my you know, someone that covers the CFL as well, and they deal with a lot of like, you know, are they

better than the NFL or they worse? And the talent level And it's the same with this, like when it's obvious the talent level is not the same, right, you know, by and large, I appreciate having differences so you're not as focused on like, uh, you know, oh, well, like clearly these guys like having I just I like having not like bells and whistles, having a little more like the CFL game, you know,

completely different and trying to change that. Like I like having enough differentiating things that you're concentrating more on just that being a unique, unique game versus like the USFL last year, which was like this is the NFL light and they're played in the spring and they use the same music, but they just have less people in the stands. Like I like having a little bit more. Again, I never I didn't always like with the XFL what they wanted their

kind of uh persona, but they wanted their brand to be. But I at least appreciated kind of that they have their brand, max their brand, and they really leaned into gambling. I noticed that like the NFL ESPN, really they did not shy away from gambling. It was it was Ian Fitzimmons today that he was a cashman field and he and for the second half of the game talked repeatedly he had to overrun or he's like, oh I have

my receiver. I'm like, I am so tired of hearing dude about your about your bat here homie, Like I understand this not the most exciting game right now, Like that's how you make those kinds of games exciting. Yeah, because Vegas didn't have a lot of excitement. They did not. Okay, I'm going to pop a shot now. If you care so much about gambling, why don't you release accurate and consistently time depth charts. If you care about gambling, why issue you can't criticize the end because we don't know

you. No, no, no, But this is about this is about the past. This is about what happened in the past. Because you talked about how the old XFL cared about so much about gambling, and then they drop the ball and they and then they say, and then the social media people talking about how depth charts don't matter and injury reports don't matter, and we're only going to give it out to the media. We're not going to

post on our website, We're not gonna post on social media. And then when people wonder why it's so hard for people to be involved in gambling and fantasy football for spring football, and it's pretty obvious why So you know, if you would like to actually use that and leverage that as for your marketing, then you need to commit to it instead of sucking at it, but whatever, maybe they finally gotten the message now, but remember and then it

was because the extrav that would do that. Then the USFL like was it Sam got Sam Shady got one of the depth charts and then they're like you need to take that down? Like you can't both. It was like, okay, whether we if you have any questions here, we'll round this out here pretty soon. Then we've touched on all the major points. I wanted to if you have any questions, put them in the comments. Do we know I know you talked about the technology. Are we doing chipball? Do

we have chip gate again? Is that what's happening? Or are we still TVD on that. I have not heard anything about that. You might have, Max, I have not heard anything on any kind of technology like that. I haven't heard anything. I hope they keep the first down line. Actually thought that was pretty cool, the automated first down line. I thought that was awesome. I hope they keep Bolt six for replay reviews, just like they were using in both leagues. Other than that, I don't want

a whole lot of extra technological influence. I don't want them to try to test anything terribly new right now. I want that to be for way down

the road. The other thing I wanted to talk about, because now the A. J. McCarey transaction is final, I thought since we had a few minutes, so we could kind of give our thoughts on the just briefly on who you would predict to start for each team before camp starts, to give it five minutes and then let it rest, because now we kind of have a full picture of who's going to get the quarterbacks in these leagues. Well, I got that pull up? Do we have rosters here? Pulled

up? I got a list on my phone I can share with you if you want real quick, I can tell you this. I'm still trying to figure out. Like I said earlier, the Birmingham situation. I mean, it's like who again you know? To me, J Mar Smith is the starter. I mean, I don't know how I could go against that. But then they ring in Matt Corral and then they had the draft pick. So yeah, I don't know. Is it league here at League Rules Careers? Where is the rosters here on the website? I'm looking at their teams?

Am I am? I slow here? So I just pulled it from Wikipedia because someone made like a draft page and they update it, but some of the ones are hidden, so you don't only be able to find it if you went to the twenty twenty three season version. But I made a list of like all the ones that are like potential starting candidates, and I'm just going to text them to you. Right now. Someone's saying UFL newsroom, I'll give them a I'll give them a newsroom does have like a draft

like page that they update with the rosters. But you know, it's not like it's to the minute, like the league is supposed to get it first or whatever. I don't want to get any spamware going to this site, Steffan, So just I don't. I don't want teams USFL UFL teams, Arlington Renegades. Well, hey, if they got it on their coaching staff, oh want it? Okay? Were this okay? All right? You know broken clock here? If we got it? So we got renegades here.

I like this quarterback lease Prez Lindsay Scott Holton Taylor's uh, you know the least Perez rides again there, John, What do you think one hundred percent? I mean I think that Lindsay Scott is, you know, maybe has a chance. Holton, it was funny that Holton Naylors said, you know, they pretty much instead we that he He said on a podcast that the coaching staff and management told him, well, we really want a younger quarterback to come in here and challenge Louis Perez and maybe win the job.

So it's a I don't know if they don't have a lot of faith in Louis Perez, but man, that guy's got such a track record. I don't know why you wouldn't. So I'm gonna ride that Perez bandwagon all the way. Max. I'm still amazed at that. Man. I mean, good for Louis Perez here, but what do you think here? I love

Louis, but I think you gotta you gotta bet on talent. And I've never been more impressed by an FCS quarterback that's you know, not NFL level since Louis, Since Lindsay Scott. I mean, he said all the records, he won, the Walter Payon Award, he did all of it. He you know, so on talent, I have to pick Lindsay Scott just

for that. But I do think it's going to come down to the wire, just because of all the experience Perez has and his adaptability is so far ahead of and he's typical spring football quarterback, especially who else is in that room. I'd imagine the learning curve for Scott will be tougher, and that in the early days he's going to struggle, and then as he gets settled in at the end, the talent's gonna show and they're gonna have a tough

decision. I thought Alors was gonna make the cut. I really thought he was gonna make the cut with the Seahawks. Read sorry, didn't mean interrupt you, but you're you know. I'm a Seahawks fan, So I watched a lot of the preseason. I thought, man, this guy was pretty good. He was very fun to watch when he's coming to there. I mean, obviously he's playing against fourth and fifth stringers, but he was fun to watch when he got in. I yeah, I was trying. I

didn't try to. I tried a little bit more of the Commanders preseason, presently enough, but we were at the game, Drew Locke was there.

I think Aylor's played a little bit. We did. We did theg Go to one preseason where he beat the Cowboys, which was probably the Seahawks, you know, play off win in the height of the season there that poy It does make sense like what you're saying though, with Lindsay coming in a little bit more inexperienced pushing at least, well, it was like Louise is gonna have no issue with like competition and he'll be happy to like if he

lose his a happy to mentor and kind of all that. Souff. I don't see Louise as having an he's heard of the ego of any kind of like let me help kind of make this guy be better. Max. I will just say like this, this is I like this roster man. I'm not trying to like this, trying to show for UFL newsrom but I like how this is laid out. Yes, it's solid. You know, they gotta they got to keep the website maintained at the least so that people will

keep coming back. Uh. You know. The thing with Alors for me is he was not my favorite American Conference quarterback or anywhere near it. Whenever he was playing. I was a bigger fan of Seth Henigan at Memphis, who's still there because he's got like six years senior, fifth year senior or whatever is going on with COVID years stuff. So but I wasn't. I wasn't that impressed with Hulton Aylors comparatively at ECU, compared to like even Tanner

Mordecai when he was at SMU. I was more impressed with than Holton Alors. And he's you know, completely shlubbing in at Wisconsin now. So I would not expect Alors to be anything more than a backup for this team. And if Scott does win that job, just watch Perez get traded again and end up on another championship team by the first playoff. Just watch it. I could totally see that before we move off and the Renegades and Philip had

a question, the Renegade is going to have a banner hanging ceremony. Can't imagine that? What else is doing? I mean, yeah, but I hang it in the corner. What else are we doing? I mean, I think they could hang one and then you know, stick it in a closet till the team comes back for another year, you know, but you know, it's funny. We could hang both. We could do a banner hanging ceremony and like because it's the it will be the champion versus champion.

Just do a ceremony for both teams at the same time, be like the Battle of the Champions, bring out the trumpets or whatever. I don't know. Birmingham did it, Yeah, yeah, they did do. If if the Lakers can raise a banner for their in season inaugural tournament win, I think that we can hang a banner for the Renegades. I will say that. All right, let's go here, Stallions. Uh so we don't have the updated on here right because we're missing Corral right here. So uh.

J Marsmith, Jayla Moore and Adrian Martinez will go first to John here because this is right. You're are you all in on Buckham, are you Stallions? Oh yeah, totally. I'm I'm giddy up on that on that side of the conference. But I think, I think to me J. Mar Smith, because he had you know before, I mean, you got hurt in the first game of the season, so he was already named the starter. And then of course Alex Magoo took over and blew up. So to

me, he's the guy. But you know, there's been a lot of talk about Adrian Martinez, who I believe Birmingham drafted so and drafted early if I'm not mistaken. So Max you might know more than that. But about that, but to me, j Mar is the starter. I don't know that because I think he just has so much talent, and I think Skip Holtz has a lot of faith in him. There's a personal bond there with

j Mar that doesn't exist with most other players on spring football teams. With that being said, the talent Corral had coming out of college is clear. However, once you were been in the NFL for a period of time and your confidence gets shot, you don't know what you're gonna get coming out the other end. Sometimes you get Bend de Nucci and he lights it up, and sometimes you get guys like Cole McDonald, who are you know, as as we would say it went fire or whatever. Uh, So you know,

it's just you don't know what you're gonna get. So we'll see. But I certainly think there's gonna be a lot of conversation and hype, and I don't think it's settled that Jmr's starter, even though he probably wouldn't get favorites, because I don't think it's settled at all. No, are we surprised that the Nucci right decide? He right? He signed back on with the Broncos, right or we right? Am I making a fever dream? Yeah? He did, But I'm not surprised at all. I mean,

he was the one and down that he's like. I don't He was blatant the entire time. The only reason he was here was to get back in the NFL. And he's just gonna hang on into those coat tails until he gets kicked out again. And you know, when he does get kicked out again, he's still young. He's got a lot of time left to come back and do an aj mcaerron type of season, if you wi Jay DJ pieces, I wonder who the Brahmas charter will be. We're gonna, we're

moving through and we're getting there. We're gonna anything else that John here. I mean, we'll do I said, we'll do full roster breakdowns when I get back from vacation and we'll get on. Maybe John could do the burming, you know, whoever, we'll get all that in the pack battle and all that stuff. We'll figure out that out, all right, going to the defenders here, and this doesn't have Taomu right, because he's official official official back now, right, Max? Or is it still not? They

haven't announced it yet. I thought they did announce it. I know Mike posted about it. Have I not announced it yet? And oh and then Jake Russell co confirmed with the My I don't think it's officially yet, but tayom moves back. Mike's reported that Jake Russell with the Washington Post, which God blessed. Uh, I'm like, Jake, you worked for the Washington Posts. Like why are you dealing with like ufl impressions? Like anyway, we'll go first and maxure on this. It's got to be Tayomu right,

it can only be Toyomu. I don't even understand why the other two guys are really on the roster. Honestly, you gotta have backups. You are gonna have better options than those guys. If you want backups, you couldn't. That looks like camp arms. You're right, Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't like either of them, and neither of them perfectly really fit the

Derek King mold either. I mean, Francois definitely doesn't and McClinton is is like a weird slower but taller version, Like you could make it work with him as a running quarterback, but it's not gonna be as as shifty as Agile, as impressive, as threatening as Deeric was in any way. So maybe they're just buying their time. Maybe they're hoping one of these guys can really take a boose, because I was not impressed with either of these guys.

And I think the hype for Jalen Mclinton in particular was completely Yeah, Like I don't even know where that came from, because you look at his PFF grades, you look at his film and you're like, there's nothing that stands out, and there's a lot of there's not that many great amazing decisions either. And then Francois was a complete wreck both on and off the field last season. Well, I was gonna say, are we surprised he's even here still? I Mean, the thing I remember about him is when he

got in the huddle and told told him to shut the f up. That's the one. The one thing I remember for me last year the dormity controversy. Yeah, he was the one with the dormandy right. They said that he was given away the playbook, right, So there's this classless I'm sorry,

but I can't. I can't support this that situation. But I love Reggie Barlow and he did a lot for de Eric King and now he's the quarterback coach at s m U, and I'm happy for I hope that Reggie spoke to him about that and give him some advice because I think Eric's gonna have quite a seat learning curve on how to be a coach. For the first time, I was just peruising Twitter here, this isn't this isn't handjum and this is Colin Coward. That's a losing Commanders winning the division next year.

That is probably the greatest tweet I've seen in my life. Very excited there, uh in terms of yeah, the francois thing like I just I feel like we've done this. So here's the what like DC brings in someone else? Are they still I mean they have I mean it wins the cutoff, I guess to get someone in there. They mean they've got to have a few weeks. I mean CAM doesn't start for another week and even and there's always guys that get brought in after the start of camp, so there's

time they can find somebody. There's always somebody, you know. I wonder where Eric Dungee's up to right now, for example, I don't know where he's at. But there's got to be a better option than Jalen mcclemon and DeAndre francois your backup quarterback? And if there isn't the trade for somebody, because some of these teams have four quarterbacks, you got to find someone, all right, John, anything else on that, well, we'll put through here. We covered that one. Yeah, all right, we'll get here.

We'll roll through this and track it out here. So there were the rough necks here, Phillips saying, bring back PJ and the PG is coming back. Ken, you be hard reads in that, Jared one and Tanouh, we'll go what do you think? What do you think? Max? Ken? She got cut? So I don't know why he's here. Okay, Well, so hey, we're not we're not criticizing PFN. Hey, Ali says, I don't know why he's here. Got anything else say in

that, I don't know why he's here. He's got cut anyway, Well, I like Jared Garantano has had quite a few cups of coffee on NFL practice squads and training camps, so recently like on again, off again, all during like a rookie year, he's on again, off again, So clearly there's something. The NFL seasoned him, and you know, the XFL had him with their Palmer camps and he was always a Jordan Palmer guy from his draft prep onward, So clearly there's things people are seeing in him that

hasn't played out in his performances on the field in college. And he had a few impressive moments in preseason play with the Cardinals, so maybe he can

put up a fight. But I think what Reed Sennette showed in that one game before he got injured, which was tragic, he was by far the most offensive engine that they had at quarterback for the Brahmas that whole the whole season, and then after that immediately became a struggle until like the very last game, they put up all these points against the defenders, and then Barker Romo, who was perfect on the year, misses the one kick that would

have sent that would have put the pressure on the Renegades to actually win that game instead of basically play like it didn't matter, and then everyone acts like Perez had a bad see them in the Renegades whenever the game didn't even matter or whatever. Yeah, right, yeah, I think Guarantano Guardantano is It's

interesting because, yeah, you mentioned he was kind of at Tennessee. He was just a disaster lare so. But to Max's point, the NFL has seen some things in him and that that might be one of the more interesting quarterback battles. They're, you know, of the eight teams. But yeah, maybe Sennett might be the guy, but I'm interested to see what Gardontano,

if he might have a chance in that. It's funny you just tied like this is all coming back because he's like we lived through a whole CFL season after I'm like, oh yeah, remember the missfield but you know, it all comes back to me like a fever dream here anything else with the Roughnecks? Max, Now all right, let's get in here, all right, the show Boats. Remember when it was Andy and I on and we had was that Bill here, Like you guys are hating on you hate You

didn't even know how good the showbox are going to be? Right, willis here, Cole, Kelly, Troy Williams, Case Cookus captain. Okay, you know chef case Hoever, we'll go to John first on this one. They got some options here. I think I think the chef's going to be cooking down there. I think there's a reason that they wanted to bring him in, you know, I think what de Filippo wants was he it was like it almost felt like he's trying to put together like a USFL or XFL

All Star team down there. I just I think if they can find an offensive line to give case cook us some time to throw, I think he can be a very very very good quarterback. Max go to you, uh Crime if I'm wrong, But I think for the backup quarterbacks spot is interesting because you have Cole Kelly, who was there last year. I don't know why Ryan Willison is here. He was cut on January twenty sixth uh so I don't know why he's on there. So again, I just that's truth.

I don't always here. But case cook is definitely a favorite to start. But I'm intriguting a backup race because Cole Kelly, he's got the physical specimen talent to him, but the performances just weren't up to par. And Williams I'm interested treat by because he was in that he was playing in that title game last year for the Mallers from what I remember, so, I

mean, yeah, you gotta say he has some experience. Maybe you picked the guy that's been put in those pressure situations as your backup, and even though they're both like relatively young players, so it's not like you're mentoring, but you picked the quote unquote experienced guy I guess as your backup. Max. Remind me with Kelly was did I know they were like they were kind of a five hundred team. Did did he was he replaced or did he

replace the start? He replaced the starter there? Right? Yeah? Yeah, he took over like a couple games into the season, I think, from but his performances just weren't that good from what I remember, it was you right, are we surprised Case hasn't been able to strike more here? Back again? I mean, he kind of feels like he's just kind of resigned to this life now. I mean, what do you expect. I mean, it's very hard for any quarterback from spring football to stick. I

mean it's Denucci who's sticking around. It was PJ for a bit and other than that, I mean mcaren I guess made it back, but he was already there. This was just a he chose. He chose the UFL. Max, he said, I don't want to play in the NFL. I'm coming back until his season ends. And then he picks up a practice squad. Chack. I was told he chose. He's choosing both He's doing he's doing it both ways because he knows that he can get picked up halfway into

an NFL season. He doesn't even really have to be there for camp anymore. So he's getting he's getting all the money he can get. Well, he's showing his kids what he can do on the field because he's just that cool, which is fine by me. Uh anyway, gimme case cookies all the way and hopefully he gets in their shot. But it's just an uphill battle for anyone that isn't a completely dominant player anything. No, there's nothing.

Yeah, I'm I'm on the I'm on the chef wagon there. Uh, David's cheek here, Max and anyone cut here before you got on this list. Uh no, all these guys are still there. Uh. This is brutal. Yeah, John, go first, this, I mean, this is this is brutal. I think I don't they. I really thought that the Panthers were going to find another quarterback. I mean, I don't

know. There are some people that are on the Danny Etling wagon, and I get that, but I just you know, I think Davis Cheek played maybe two plays last year, and you know La Wurki, I don't know that he played at all. I just this is they don't have a starter there. To me, I mean, they someone's got to start. But to me, they've got to bring somebody in. I like Davis Cheek. And also, we'll let you go. But I just want to make sure.

I mentioned because there's someone missing and I was checking to make sure e J. Perry is missing from this list. Uh, and he's talented enough to start. So we'll see you anyway. Read it's your turn you go. Oh no, I was just gonna say, yeah, this was rough on. This is crazy to me, briand worry. I still still floating around here being all this stuff. Yeah, I'm john super not impressed here with all of this. But you they had issues last year, right, I mean, so what do you do? Who do you see me?

Yeah? Uh yeah, So, I mean I liked Davis Cheek. When I was watching his film from Elon, I was impressed. Uh, there's still question marks over you know, how that's going to translate from Elon to here, and also how it's going to translate to Mike Nolan's system. Uh, and they're the way they run things. But E. J. Perry has been so lauded in NFL circles as like a like a sleeper guy whenever he was coming out of the draft, and things just didn't work out for

him in the NFL. So if he can stay healthy and get playing time, because for whatever reason, he was on the Panthers last year, but he just didn't get played that much. I think he had one start and then he I think it was either injuries or something else happened that he wasn't able to play. And then he got picked back up on the NFL and he got let go again and now he's back here. So I would like

to see Perry win it because I think he's the most talented player. But I think it's really between Perry and Cheek, unless Danny Ettling has some kind of weird career resurgence that I don't expect because I don't know Danny Etling's one of those guys like, are we sure he should still be sticking around the NFL, But he's kind of somehow find a way, So maybe he'll prove me wrong and then he will have a big parade for him, you know, John, anything else here, we'll get the last TEW teams. We'll

get out of there. I'll say that if you really right now to me, if you want to look at the Panthers offense, you need to scroll down a little more and start looking at those running backs, because it seems to me like that's the only way that these guys are gonna get any offense going. Yeah, okay, this is our team, your team of the marquast the Brahmas here can't don't really want to buy any of the merchandise yet,

but we can talk about the team. I know this list has been updated because right, Kurt's gone, Uh, Cone's going, right, CON's gone, Jackson, Max, I know you were happy that that Jack Cone. You know, we don't like to see anybody get that's also gone. By the way, I don't know why he's here. He wasn't he wasn't even on both wasn't he on the site for Houston too, so they double listed set. Okay, observations. Sinnett gone, he's in Houston, Okay, so he's in he'ston okay, so so ignore that. So we got

Quentin Dormanty and Chase Gerbers. That's my and I think he said Gerbers was my guy, right. I think Garber's is the favorite, just based on talent. Yeah, Garber's and his brothers college. I'm sorry, Yeah, and his brother is playing for u C l A right now, so they're kind of like a football family going on over there. But I mean, just based on talent, based on the NFL experience, the pet, you have to go with Garber's. But Dormandy is not going to go down without

a fight. You know, he was an established starting quarterback and the XL last year and he wasn't terrible, and also he was in a bad situation. So maybe he can shine with some better structure, with some better talent, with some better decision makers, and maybe he'll prove me wrong and maybe he isn't just a doormat. You know, we'll find out. But you know, it's it's it's it's it's really between those two. It's two horse

rates. I'm so disappointed. I was really hoping, you know, and Kurt had this big like I'm choosing not to like he had this big I really wanted Kurt to be on this team, and then I could, like,

I could hate my quarterback. I mean, this would have been pure drama all season, right, It could have been like a few and then I could have like requested to have him come on the podcast, and then he could say no, and then it would be, you know, be like a Brian Scott thing all over again, except that was a different situation because he was you know, we all remember how all that worked out.

But John, what do you make of this? Because yeah, I was more excited with with some of the guys let go, but obviously Dormandy, And yeah, I like Dormandy. I don't know that he'll be the starter, but yeah, as Max saying, when he when he had the opportunity to play, he was just in such a bad situation in Orlando when he had the opportunity to play, I thought he was really good, So I would like him now Again, I'll defer to Max on on Chase Garber's there,

because I'm not sure. Yeah, but Max, he texted me when Coma's gone. Excuse me, he said, when Coma is gone, he said, Garba's is your guy. Okay, I don't know if he's my guy as much as he is like my the the guy, real quarterback, the guy, he's your quarterback read and he's the guy that it would be the expected starter based on pedigree and based on you know, whenever you you have coaches talking about how they want to bring in talent at the quarterback position.

In the Atlanta guy like this, you know, he was fringe, fringe, seventh round, undrafted, up being undrafted guy went to training camp. You're you're going to expect that guy to be the favorite compared to a guy who was very unimpressive in college and did not make any kind of mark on the NFL. Quinn dormity. So all right, go ahead, and now I'm going to tell you ahead of time actual you're gonna get triggered when

I switch over to this Patriots and just giving you that. So we got the valaax here, Tiano gone, right a J and then Brandon Silver isn't here, Manny Wilkins agent, I mean we talked about this off the time for a J. Right, yeah, I mean it couldn't be anyone else. My only my only curiosity is whether Anthony Becks wants to use Wilkins and a Derek King kind of role more frequently now that he's had more time with

the team, because I think they could mix it up with him. A good bit that Tiano cut to me was I mean, I guess it was ahead of maybe they knew that that mccerrn was coming back, but I was kind of surprised that that he that he got waived. I wasn't because they brought on Silvers. I knew they were. We knew they were bringing Silvers,

and Silvers is a much more experienced in establish quarterback. And Tiano is not the kind of guy who's gonna want to be a third stringer who's never playing because he's he had his own like decent you know, pre draft CAMPI and he he has some talent and some it was impressive. I remember Argo's

guys were in love with him whenever they brought him up to camp. So he doesn't want to sit around on a third stringer, and he doesn't have any special ability to be used in certain packages like Manny Wilkins can to be sort of a kind of running quarterback, So it just made sense for him to go. I hope you've laying on his feet somewhere. Are you surprised

no one's picked him up? There's still time, you know, DC give a ring ring, you know, and then you know in Michigan, right yeah, yeah, right, yeah, he should be on a on a zoom with Mike Nolan anytime. Yeah. I was gonna say here, all right, anything else here, John, BattleHawks? Uh no, you know the Max Borghy thing that I think for the BattleHawks. I mean we're talking

about quarterbacks, I know, but you know they're running game. I mean they've got some and they got some questions there, so they might need Aj mccerrn to have another twenty six touchdowns or whatever this coming season. Uh, well, here we and then finally we have it. We got a superchant,

very rare superchests here cards Nation cock Haw order Baby appreciate that. Don't get a lot of sup I listened to my postgame Cracking podcast and like every and they only get you know, they got like five hundred viewers for the postcancer. Oh thanks for the superchant, Thanks for the supers. I think I'm like, I don't I get like one every four months off. I'm lucky. So I mean, I mean, I know a little reason I'm on here is because I'm a ninety nine cent a month subscriber. That's the

only reason I got this invitation. I appreciate it. Yeah, you can become a member. Ninety nine cents gets you a membership. You know, it makes me feel good. I just when I look at my little analytics and I see my little pitoful rad Ad revenue, I'm like, oh, I got you know, got got a third of ninety nine cents here for John Liz from bult my Way onto the podcast. That's five dollars and thirty three cents to you. I like that joke. That's funny. Max.

Anything else here I know other than gotta love the ninety nine cent Army read, you gotta love it. Uh. And you know, despite all the frustration and the irritation, I'm just glad we have a season this year. You know. It really felt for a long time like anything was possible and like we could always still lose it at the top of a button. So hopefully the ownership realizes their mistakes and appreciates the potential this this lead these leagues,

these players have and truly make something great and commits to it. My experience in the past tells me they are not so committed. I want to be proven wrong. Hey, you were, you were there, you were almost to a positive comment there, Max, and then you let it trail out at the end. I gotta keep it real. It's I have hope, but reality says I should not. Well, I will say, and I'll toss to Johnny. I will say this. And it's interesting to me that I I was always the big USFL hater or I was what was I?

I was the XFL hater when I said that they weren't they were going to get delayed, and then they got delayed, and then I was the big USFL hater from all the us other people. But now that they're all right, we're all like, hey, we're all you know UFL. Now now like I'm the big everything you know, I'm always right Like now I'm the big UFL hater. And they're read so negative about the merchandise and need so negative about this, and I'm like, again, I just I want

this to work with Russ here, super sick. Now we got I got three here, man, oh, Yeah, here we go rolling. I am rolling. I'm gonna go. I can buy the Snickers part at the store. But like that's I've I've seen all of these from a fan or on the podcast. Like I've seen I've lived through all of this. I

was like nothing, nothing but me wants this to work. But when I see things that are again with Max and I've talked about this for years, like unforced errors, right, Like there's so many things that go against like all of this, and it's the biggest about so like the unforced airs of like having the UFL T shirt on the shop of the day of the inside

I launched. Just like there's just stuff like that. That's what I'm nitpicky about because I leave the football and all that stuff to all the genius you know, you guys and Pats and everybody, Andy and everyone else that comes on it from from just the fan perspective. That's where I can talk about here. And we'll go to John now. But our ship, my father in law, my when my ship comes in. Our ship has come in here. I think we've ever had it. We're going to another a couple

hours, aren't we. But John, anything else here, We'll round it out and then I'll get my found on Praie, we'll get up. Yeah. Read, I think you make a good point. There's a reason if we didn't care checking in Sorry, all right, checking in here, let's go. But you know, if we didn't care, then that's then you know that that's where that's where when you start to get apathy from people who want this to work, that's when it won't work. That's when it dies

off. So yeah, okay, we're going to complain about Yeah we wanted uh some more T shirts. Yeah, we want some more merchandise. It's because we want these things to work, and we're kind of, you know, monetarily invested, but we're also emotion invested. We want these things to work. We want to see these players move on, and we want a little something for ourselves here. We like it's it's great Spring entertainment. So yeah, uh yeah, I'm and Chris is telling you there. I mean,

I know you hate these Spring leagues. It's why you talk about it all the time. But uh but no, I mean I'm more optimistic. I think though, kind of circling back to what we talked about to start off, I'm more optimistic with this because of the financial backing that it has, because of the outlets it will be on with Fox, ABC, ESPN, but also saying that I know that if this does not work this year, I don't know when we're going to see spring football on a level like

this or on a scale like this again anytime soon. Yeah, I agree with that, and I think I don't know. I I this is this is the best chance because I'm hoping that like anything that they like, if you've learned anything at least the last three years, like at least maybe of it. But again, you know, we still see some of this kind of coming and going to out of the maxiny any final thoughts on here, I want to add it with but we're all we're all up to here with

the BS right now about how these leagues are being run. And also, by the way, speaking of BS, no uniforms either, Well, they're gonna come out next week, I mean because they're going they're going to training camp, so they're gonna be next week. I will be on the cruise to the Cobos. Hopefully they're out next week. I mean they just cause they they should be on next week doesn't mean they will be for sale.

It will they be only a registered for an email list, and then you have to wait till the start of the season to actually pay to order one who knows anything's possible. But doesn't it make sense for them to roll out those uniforms right before training camp because say, hey, look here's what these teams are going to wear. By the way, training camp starts this weekend. Yeah, yeah, they'll be any it'd be great if they operate a

based on what makes sense. Too much sense, right, Let me just say this, Well, you know, we'll see it like we're paying. We're a premium we're paying for the premium cruise experience. I'm alloted like four Wi Fi devices. We'll see if there's even there it comes out of there. But I haven't feeling that it's going to be kind of the same. Whatever. John, I hope you're seated down here because you're really gonna lose your mind here he sat down here, Chris ten dollars ten chat whether we're

doing that's my age here, that's crazy. Keep out the guberger get hear you? John? And Max Anti the president, Hey, we're not that's we don't need to make fundamental health but I do appreciate the super chat that was worth ten bucks. Come on, this might make more money than our Now, John, I was gonna say, because I know that John, John, I hold the record with John for the most view video on your channel. I don't know if any of them. I think our Gray Cup

Show finally beat all of that with the sixty seven thousand. But I think you have a good You have a good long run there for a while with the King, we end up with about twenty fousand. I thought it was good. It was good. It was good all right. So, like I said, Rownding now here, appreciate the super chats, Appreciate everyone like and subscribe. We'll do training camp stuff when I get back. We'll figure out you know, you know, forms out of though. But otherwise and

this is a good round out. We got everything that we did here three thirty on the Friday. So appreciate John. Go check out his channel at John Lewis Sports. John does a lot of great shorter content. Right. The more that we just ramble on here for like eight hours, John is a lot more like targeted, like let's talk the quarterbacks, let's talk this, let's talk the team legacies, and kind of all that stuff, Max, anything else from you, No, I've already said my piece on everything.

I'll save one opinion for you whenever we get off, because I want to finish the point. But everybody else knows it already. H And you know, I'm just so glad we're here, you know, despite it all, despite you know, if feeling kind of gloomy because of everything that's already happened up to this point, there's always a chance to turn around. There's always a choice, and if they just make the decision to commit, anything's possible. John, anything else, I didn't want to make sure you got

anything was no, that was it. I appreciate. I appreciate being on it and being able to talk to you. I've listened to YouTube talk a lot, and I was glad to be part of the conversation. That was a lot of fun. Well, this's for thanks to everyone. Have a safe weekend, get ready to training camp and all that stuff. We'll see soon.