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We went LIVE to react to CFL week 19 on Monday, October 16 at 9am PST.

Join me, Evan Willsmore, and Hussey's Huddle as we take your comments and calls LIVE and react to the 19th week of CFL 2023 games, CFL week 19 as a whole, as well as the things the CFL is doing well, and things the CFL can work on in the future.

Week 19 CFL games include the CFL BC Lions at the CFL Hamilton Tiger-Cats, the CFL Saskatchewan Roughriders at the CFL Calgary Stampeders, the CFL Montreal Alouettes at the CFL Edmonton Elks, and the CFL Ottawa REDBLACKS at the CFL Toronto Argonauts.

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Well, the USL lives here today on a Monday. Apparently, if you're following Josh Gerban on Twitter, that might be a short for later today. We'll figure all that out. I have a feeling we're going to be having some XFL USFL news coming out this week. Should be excited but happy victory Monday, unless you are a San Francisco Fort Niners fan. Sorry Matt Baker or Anthony Miller with the Philadelphia Hopefully the Cowboys will follow a suit tonight.

I know a gentleman here that lived through rivetying Sunday night game last night, which I do want to talk about as it relates to the CFL in this with Jason Hussein then Evan at Rams looking good, put the Cardinals to bed. Are How are we doing today, guys, I'm doing good. Raid thanks for having me as always, and I mean yeah, my football teams that chair four tried to give me a heart attack this weekend, but I'm ultimately I'm still alive. Yeah, I had doated. I think I had

put it in the group chat. I said, if the tie Cats be the Lions this weekend, I'm not going to Great Cup. I can't look at Hussey. I can't look at Hussey in the face. I can after all the smack talking crazy weekend to see if I will get into that.

Evan, I thought NFL was good. It was exciting. Yeah, I mean, you know, NFL really we're getting into the thick of things with the NFL, whereas the CFL, you know, just wrapped up Week nineteen really feels like, you know, we're in the last last bit of things before the playoffs. So it's two different worlds for sure. But no, I enjoyed the NFL this weekend, so I wanted to get into that first because obviously we lived through the Bills. Was it the Bills Giants game last

night? Fourteen to nine, I think was the final scarred with I was like, hey, Mom, let us come over, like this will be excited, like she loves Josh Allen, Like this will be good. We'll go watch the game. But a really really slow game, right, you know, six zero at half, and we had all that kerfuffle with all of that, and you know, this is these are the games that you always have the CFL people like this is the no fun league. This as

the matter. And I'm curious Jason, because obviously, and I'm gonna get Evan's thoughts as well. Like there's many a time when I get a notification on my phone like Montreal Alouette's at Redblacks games start zero zero and then I'll get the notification like Montreal Alts and whatever. Second quarter start zero zero and I'm like, oh God, like this is you know, these are not like Jason, do you what do you make of that? Just in terms of like, I mean, it's still riveting game last night? Like are

you do you view them the same with the CFL? Like when you get some of these slow games, like how did you view the game last night? I'm curious. I know your Bills fan too, but kind of remove that. Yeah, I mean it was it was an awful football game, but I just view it as you know, you know, both leagues.

You know, bad football is bad football, and I don't think that you know, you know, I think you know the CFL the bad games are more like you know, pointed too, because there's only four of them on each week, and you have these games not running like concurrently with other games, So I think that they kind of stand out a lot more like a sore thumb. But I think at the end of the day, you know, a bad football game was a bad football game, and the NFL has

had lots of bad primetime games the last couple of years. Yeah, they got to figure that out. And I don't know. I mean, the Bills were super flat against the Jaguars in London, and obviously like the bye week or the travel and like the Jaguars were there and they didn't have to travel. Because my mom's sitting there, She's like, I think, Josh Allen is you know Jet Leg I mean the game was last Sunday. I mean, I can't imagine it was. Evan, what did you what did

you make of this? I'm kind of curious. I mean, you know in terms of the Bills, like in terms of I mean, it was very much like that. You what I say reminds me of the Chiefs Broncos from last year. And he said, no, one, what's not I mean, like it is puts these games on a pedestal because it's the CFL, because you got four games, I mean these primetime NFL games. But like I think the NFL benefits from having nine games playing co currently on a

Sunday a lot. Oh well, absolutely I mean in the CFL, with the number of teams, you're always kind of in primetime, you know, you don't. I mean, yeah, you're you're gonna have games, you know, on the same day, but usually not at the same time. So you know that means you're gonna have more eyes concentrating on it if you were following that league, just like in the NFL. I mean the contrast, you know, between games that are in primetime and aren't in primetime.

You know, so take like one of the games from the I guess it's one o'clock Eastern Slate. You know, those aren't going to be nearly talked about as much as you know, Bill's Giants, even if you know Bill's Giants wasn't one of the better games of the day. So yeah, I just Patty a little bit. I don't know if we have an hours we're

at the CFL, like need week nineteen stuff to talk about. But I will just say, like to Mike Mike Mitchell's of the world like, yeah, he's were watching the Jets game yesterday and oh everyone hates the Jets, said at least they talk about the Jets like we No one talks about the commanders. We don't like the commanders going to talk at least he talk. I mean at least the Jets you know, you know, skip Bayless and whatever every day. So Jason, let's get into this. Do we learn

so from the standings Lions were able to hold up out. I got a little worried there. We'll get into all that stuff. But why did we lock in here Alouette's home picture, You're like, what what was the playoff implications coming out of the weekend? So with Hamilton picking up the loss on Friday night, they are locked in the third in the East, so you know, Montreal is going to be hosting that East semi final against Hamilton. So basically the East is all set, and then in the West, Calgary

keeps its playoff hopes alive. They're very much alive with you know, two games left in the season. Saskatchwan has one more win right now, but they only have one more game remaining, so Calgary technically controls its own destiny. But they have a couple of really tough games against BC in Winnipeg the last couple of weeks of the season, so we't to see how it plays out. So they would have to win out. Then let me get the schedulep here. So Calgary at BC, but obviously BC wants to maintain,

right, they don't want to drop. I mean, is BC hoping that that Edmonton comes in and plays spoilers? That kind of where we're at, Yeah, exactly, Winnipeg has to lose the last two games and BC has to win this game on Friday night against Calgary to have any shot at first and Calgary still could make it if even if they lose against BC on Friday night, because now with the win on Friday, they have the tiebreaker over

Saskatchwan. So if Saskatchwe loses this weekend, Calgary loses as well. Calgary just have to beat Winnipeg the last week of the season in order to make the playoffs. So, you know, Calgary big victory on Friday. It just feels like Saskatchewan's really running on fumes right now. Is that how you Evan? Is that how you take it? It seems like the right to me, this is a far more juice here. You know, Tiger Cats going into Montreal here and potentially playing upsever I don't think DC has any issue

taking care of either of these teams. Right now it seems very lost. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, for a long time I was saying Saskatchewan like they they had things figured out. You know, they weren't anything special, but at the same time, like they were able to get the job done. And you know, they were that they were six and five at one point, you know, they were above five hundred I

believe at one time. But now they've lost you know, six games straight, and even that, you know, going into that Calgary game when they had lost five straight, I suppose I wasn't too concerned still about them. I thought, you know, Calgary again is still the slower team, you know, and they won't have a problem with that, and you know, we'll get into that game because to me, that was probably you know,

the most impactful one of the week, without a doubt. But yeah, they didn't, you know, and now now you're kind of you've kind of hit the panic button. I think if you're a Saskatchewan fan, you know, everything was kind of fine. You know, things were going along as usual. You know, you playoff spot it it didn't look like again like there wasn't there just wasn't that much competition. But you start racking up these losses late in the season and in a twenty one week season, you know,

that can continue for a long time. You know. Now Saskatchewan's at a point where, you know, oh, like they really got to they really got to tighten in here in the past couple of games. But I think what's honestly, just in the bigger picture a bit disappointing is you know we're talking about the way I'm phrasing this. You know, if you were somebody who didn't know the records, you think that this would be like,

you know, Bill's Chiefs fighting for a playoff spot. But really it's more like, you know, I don't know, I dare bring up examples in the NFL, but it's just like when the Buccaneers. It's like when the Buccaneers was saying the Panthers last year and they were trying to win the win the NFC South, right, the Buccaneers get seven to nine here, they

can win the division again. I mean, it's a pretty it's a pretty tough, you know battle being fought when both of these teams, you know, haven't even reached the seven win mark yet, and you know, we've been watching both of these teams all season, and you know, I've been saying all along, you know that last playoffs bought was gonna come down to

Saskatchewan or Calgary. But it's very interesting again, you know, we're sitting here this late in the season and now you never think you would say this, given how things were just a couple of weeks ago. But I think a lot of people would rather see Edmonton in the playoffs now over both of those teams, you know, And that's a very again, very interesting takeaway.

I know Matt Dunagan was talking about that, you know, on the panel during halftime of this game on TSN, you know, just talking about you know, Edmonton honestly has more momentum even though they'd been eliminated than really either of those teams. He was kind of laying in the Calgary more at the time because that was the must win game for them and they were down at half. But yeah, you know, Saskatchewan clearly is kind of in

the same boat. So it's tough. You know, it's tough because to be honest, like, you know, it'll be interesting to see who gets the spot at the end of the day. You know, a couple of

interesting things now, can happen here down the stretch. But let's be honest, like either one of those teams, you know, the Lions are just kind of sitting there like I mean, I hate to sound disrespectful, you know, and I again, you know, all all due respect to to Calgary and Saskatchewan, but you know, to b C, like for all intensive purposes, it's almost a body week for them, you know, in a way, it's just kind of like, well, we're going to have

a home game. You know, someone's gonna come in, and I understand anything can happen, right, I mean the second I say that, everybody you know gets excited, and you know, there's a there's a different level of energy. So I certainly hope that, you know, if I say something like that, that maybe one of those teams will go in there with a different energy and make the game competitive. I don't know, but yeah, I understand BC's you know, had their struggles and they've lost some games

they should have won whatever, But I don't know. Man, if b C, I'll just say this, you know, before we actually get into the games here. Before what was I gonna say before? Uh? I mean, I don't know if BC were to lose this game and we see potentially Saskatchewan or Calgary, you know, in the West Final that that would be I don't know, I I don't know that would be that would be

something that would be really something one of those teams against Winnipeg. I mean, I feel like Saskatchewan would have the best chance of taking down BC and you know, pulling the what would be the upset of the year, and then going into Winnipeg. But I don't know. I mean again, like I'm ninety nine percent certain PC's gonna win that game, but you can never leave it off the table. Well, and just especially with no disrespect to

you know, Rick Campbell and everything we've talked about. This hasn't always felt like the Lions are always like showing up to all these games. I think the Bills were a little sleepy last night. Yeah, it's a Giants whatever them. As I break my microphone here, I hope, I hope the Commanders don't feel that way next week as well, you know, taking on

the Giants. But it's interesting you're talking about. Yeah, there's one of the Twitter accounts, like Jock Cartier or whatever falls me, and he's has advocated like you know, we get tray Ford and kind of get the leftovers. We'll do the traveling team and all that because they did, and we'll

talk that the elks here. But you know, like Kevin Brown coming on the show last week, who I thought, you know, delightful, man, was so on time I do all these We' found a lot of player interviews lately where it's like, hey, it's going to be noon Pacific. I'm like, okay, so I get on there nothing nothing, you know that I text that, you know, the people that are trying to set it up, you know, not the player, Like okay, let me get in touch with them. And then they're like, oh you want to

do that now, like oh okay, is that video? Okay? Like okay, hang on, like you know, next thing, you know, it's like one forty five and I'm like, I've you know, I work from home, but I've devoted two hours to get in this whatever. Kevin Brown, you know, twelve fifty nine, he's sitting there one o'clock log in like he's ready to go. So I appreciate that and the od the day, but he was talking a lot. We have a lot of momentum right now going in and we're playing this like we have a lot to play

for for next year and a lodger proof. So I like that, I mean Edmonton, And yeah, this game where they're coming into Winnipeg next week, like, you know, I don't, I don't take it off the table. I mean, Winnipeg is really really good. But I do feel like Edmonton's got ahead of steam right now, at least, you know, I know that the records and Sandys all that stuff, But Jason, any

other thoughts on that before we get into the games. I knew they I know they blewed the whatever I was trying to look up the lead they blew against them Montreal, But overall, it feels like we have a little bit more going. Yeah, I mean yeah, I do think Edmonton in general has looked the best of those three teams Calgary, Saskatchewan and Edmonton the last half of the season. But at the end of the day, Edmonton made its own bed with how they started the season. And I think that even

lately they've had a couple of very disappointing games. I thought that, you know, we'll get into it. But the twenty one to three blown lead, I think it was twenty one to three lead that they blew in this game. And they blew it within one quarter too, So they had the lead at the end of the first quarter and then they blew it by halftime. So I mean, I don't feel too bad, but bad for Edmonton. I just wish we could have like a two game series between BC and

Winnipeg to the side first place in the West. Yeah, I'm a bigger bue lead the twenty one to three the Edmonton had or Colorado? Was it twenty was it twenty nine to zero? And the keVs tweeting or posting on Instagram as merchandise links at halftime? I'm like, this is anyway, so let's get into this. Ottawa nothing to play for at all at all led for a good portion of this game. Toronto, you know, still putting up the forty burger. Chad Kelly in the game for a lot of this

Duke's looking good, Evan, what did you make of this? Like, because I'm sitting there watching the score come down, I'm like, this is crazy, Like why is I mean, Ottaway has just looked like do you

do here for a while? What did you make? Yeah? I mean, you know, this was a game I actually expected Ottawa to win, but at the same time I didn't realize, you know, Toronto's got this thing going on where it's like they don't pull all their starters but at the same time working other guys in, so you kind of get this mixed bag of like the team that we've seen all season and then sort of like more like a preseason element where you're just testing depth and all that. But I

really expected Autowo win this game. And you know it's another I understand you have nothing to play for, but it would be nice to, you know, go into Toronto and you know, play the best team in the league and get a win, you know, just for the sort of culture and moral victory more than anything. But they weren't able to do that. You know, Toronto still scored forty points, you know, with only some of their starters really in for a majority of the game, so that was a

bit of a red flag. I didn't catch too much of this game, I know. You know, on the Ottawa side, they had some guys you know, worked in, like a Tyrell Pigrom at quarterback. They were kind of testing some things out too. From what I heard. A lot of lost fumbles in this game seemed like there was a bit of a ball control issue, you know, between Crumb and Pigrom. I think they're might have been three lost fumbles or something like that. So Toronto, you know,

definitely getting some work in there. One of the interesting storylines for me in this game. You know, that's very kind of niche, but I'll bring it up anyway. Elijah McGhee, whose rights were claimed by the Roughnecks in the XFL. This was his first game in Ottawa. I believe he was on the practice roster before this and got called up for this game and

you know, register to tackle. So good to see that. You know, it could be a well, I don't even know if I can say XFL guy anymore in the future, UFL guy and SFL guy, I don't know, but it could be could be a part of that pool later on, so you know, keep an eye on guys like that. And who

knows, maybe a couple of these other American guys will be too. You know, I'm sure i'll get some heat for saying that, but oh well, on the Toronto side, yeah, you know, Chad Kelly again, even though he even though you could argue like he maybe shouldn't be playing at this point in the season. Still went out there and and put on a decent game, you know, throwing to you know, some different guys like Richie So and Danny getting worked in there, Tommy Neal, Deontay McMahon,

you know, again having a decent you know, scoring a touchdown. You know, he's getting worked in. That's nice to see somebody that I know personally, so you know, obviously always take that heart. But yeah, other than that, not too much to talk about in terms of this game. Just really you know, yeah, Toronto I think had like Ottawa had a very strong first half. I'll say that I because I watched a bit

of the first half. I think they put up like twenty four or something like that, and in Toronto just kind of came out swinging in the third quarter, you know, fourteen points, and then Ottawa didn't score at all in the fourth and then by that point it was just kind of a just kind of out of reach. So it's too bad, you know, a team like that. Again, you know, I know, you have nothing

to play for and a lot of people don't care about that game. But if I'm an Autawa fan, it's like, well, let's just you know, have a bit of fun in these last couple of weeks, But losing a game like that, I wouldn't necessarily say it's fun, especially when you had a big lead and think you only had you know, three points total in the second half. So yeah, I mean, again, as we've said before, a lot of work to be done in Ottawa. You know, we'll see what they do in the off season in terms of you know,

coaches and some of their key positions. But yeah, I think they've got some work to do for sure in terms of and I want to get Jason Statts on the quarterback stuff here for Toronto. But yeah, just looking out of a late late bye I got that week twenty by, we're looking forward to and then hosting Toronto again. So I mean, clearly not not the greatest there in terms of this Chad Kelly thing, Jason, Like, why why can't we see I know, Brian came in and didn't play great.

Why why aren't we giving these backups a little bit more? I just don't understand putting chat in any harms wear it all right now. I think it's mostly just because you know, this was their last home game of the season. They still like a lot of teams, They still have two games left, so they have a game at Saskatchwan and then at Ottawa as you just said, So I think they're going to have the backups play the vast majority, if not all, those games the last two weeks of the season.

So I don't think I'm too concerned yet, But yeah, it is kind of confusing that they have played them basically the whole game for a couple of these games the last couple of weeks. And we'll have to see how they manage that the last couple of weeks. But I think that's what their plan is. I thought it was interesting, and I had on was Eddie Steele two weeks ago. We were talking about, Hey, you know the resting people and these you know, all this stuff that's been going on,

and hey, you know, how do you prepare for this? And you know, Eddie's like, they got the first round by right, you're playing the thing that you got to get up for one home game and then be in the playoffs. Is He's like, it's not an issue at all. He's like, I would have no concern at all. You could rest everybody. They they you know, you'd have that the kind of the double buy going into that because I don't think they're playing you're missing the semi finals,

You're playing at home against Odawa the week before that. I just thought it was interesting where he's talking about, just you know, from a player point of view, because we sit here and talk a lot about that kind of stuff. How did Ottawa look by your eyes, Jason, Like I said, not a lot playing for here. What did you make? Well?

It was kind of deja voud to the last game that we saw between these two teams, or the previous game between these two teams this season, where Ottawa had one of their better offensive showings of the year, but again they

just could not stop anyone defensively. And you know, they had a really strong first half offensively Dustin crumbin company, but ultimately they fizzled out in the second half, like Evan was saying, And I think at the end of the day, you know, Ottawa just still has a ton to work on if they're going to beat a team like Toronto. They have not beat an Eastern opponent this season, and I think that is the most telling stat about

their season so far. I'll guess we'll go Evan first, in terms of I when Farha was on last week and we've talked and Bob Dyce and other so far Han doesn't expect Sean Berg to go the GM there or Bob Diyce to go Barhunt expects kind of a minimal changer. Does that surprise you, Evan? And then we'll get Jason's thoughts. Yes and no. I mean in a league like the CFL, you know, the pool of guys that you can pick from in terms of replacements is very thin, you know.

And I listened to the show that you had last week with Farhan and I did agree, you know, to an extent about a lot of the things that he was saying with some of these questionable situations, not just with Ottawa, you know, but with Edmonton and you know, all the other teams that have struggled Calgary. You know, like you could, you know, kind of clean house and just you know, do a rebuild. But in Ottawa's positions specifically, they've been rebuilding for so long that if you just keep

changing things up, you're almost delaying the progress. So I think even if they are, you know, dissatisfied with the results from this year, I mean again, you know, if you just bring new guys in, I mean, then you're essentially like it takes so long to get that going. It's like, well, you know what next? You even count because then you got to you know, you got to retool everything. And I don't know, I think they're just trying to stay afloat right now more than anything.

And you know, that's tough. It's a difficult spot. I don't think it's what a lot of fans want to see. I mean, we often, you know, push for change and things like that very quickly, you know. But yeah, I think the CFL, you know, you kind of got to pace yourself because you look around and it's like the amount of experienced guys who could come in and make you know, an immediate impact

right away. It's not a very big group, you know, because in the NFL, we've got thirty two teams to pick from in terms of you know, coaching hires and things like that, like who do I want who's done a good job this year? In the CFL, there's not that many. You know, there's nine teams and let's say, you know, only four or five of those teams have actually done well, uh this season?

You know that's even less right, So I don't know, like I understand, like it should be surprising, but I'm not surprised, just because like I understand the approach, I guess is what I'm trying to say, and I agree with it. I agree with it. It's hard, Like you know, I think Commanders one yesterday against the Falcons and obviously, but you

know, you always want to win. But I almost am like if the Commander is just sunk all season and then you know, Ron Rivera gets embarrassed with the new ownership that you know, you almost hope because when you're in this kind of perennial, like you said, rebuilding, I'm like, well, we're we're kind of always I felt like that was the Raiders for years, and like we're kind of with Derek Carr and we're always kind of going to be in the playoffs. But you know, even if we make it

to the playoffs, you're not going to win. You're talking about the kind of the number of people out there eligible to sign, and I mean know even just for this remember we had a Toronto extending Corey Mace this week where I think Jason, I think we were talking in the chat like this is someone that very much could have been a head coach somewhere, right Tronta locking him down. Thoughts on that and kind of the question about the Red Blacks coaching stuff. Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I don't

think this uh signing of a defensive coordinator Dan Extension. I don't think it prevents him from being a head coach next season necessarily. So I think there's always outs too, you know, if a team wants to hire him as a head coach. So that's something to keep in mind. But yeah, I don't think with Ottawa that, you know, I think they're just kind of lost as an organization right now because you know, they've changed all the

players a couple of offseasons ago. They've had terrible luck with injuries in terms of the you know, Jeremiah MAZZOLDI of it all and everything like that. But I think at the end of the day, you know, I don't think that Bob Dice is it as a head coach. I think Sean Burke has done some good things in terms of, you know, replenishing the cup board there because when he you know, took hold of this job, that roster was so far behind the rest of the CFL back in what was the

twenty twenty one when he got hired. So I think he's done a good job of making this team more competitive, but ultimately they're not getting you know, them, you know, right decisions like in order to win the games. And I think that, you know, they're still not as talented as a lot of teams around the cf I think, you know, their skill

position players lag behind the rest of the CFL for the most part. So I think that, you know, it's hard to say what the problem is in Oudawa if it's the coaching or is it, you know, just the general lack of talent. But they've tried both. They've tried switching up the coaches, they've tried switching up the players, and none of it seems to be working. So I'm very interested to see what they do this offseason. But as to whether or not they will make a change, I'm with Farhan.

I don't think that they're going to make a change in terms of the GM or head coaching spot just because of you know, the coaches, operations, cap the aspects involved. It's just funny. I remember it was going into last year and they were doing that behind the R and they were doing the documentary staff and we had Mazzoli and hey, we had a big surprise coming and we're signing Mazzoli and all that, and they just kind of see

this, you know, kind of spiral down. Evan. Were we talking in the chat like the Argos have more wins this year than the Ottawa has since like their great Cup win or some some craziness like that. I mean, it's just remarkable statistics. What did you make on that. It was a couple of days ago. Yeah, well it's tied now, you know now that Toronto beat Ottawa. They're fourteen and two. Ottawa is now fourteen

and fifty three. I think over the past three or four seasons something like that, which is an incredible stat That is well, it's an incredibly sad stat I should say, uh yeah, I feel really bad. And I you know, Ottawa I was saying going into this season. You know, keep in mind, this is you know, months ago, now like half

a year ago. I was saying like and even you know, even last year, I because you know, the whole behind the R thing, which I thought was great, and I'll just you know, pivot here for a quick moment and say that, you know, the CFL has some great content when it comes to you know, media and documentary type like I know BC had one this year, I believe on their YouTube channel. Ottawa had you

know, the behind the r stuff. There was a couple others, but you know, things like that, I think really, you know, like I enjoy watching those, you know, and you know that some like they're very well thought out, and you know, they they do like it's like, I don't know for again, considering you know, how many things the CFL could improve on that we all know about the fact that they've you know, done well and at least presenting something to the fans like that, I

think is good. But anyways, like I was saying with Ottawa, you know, this season, even last season, you know, I was saying, like this has to be the year of change, you know, And I'm not saying that if they do bad, you know, in one of those years, whether it was last season or this season, that you clean house. I didn't say that, but you know, like this franchise has you know, struggled for so long, and I feel like a lot of our attention, you know, was put on to Edmonton this season, just

because they had the slower start in Ottawa. You know, there was a moment like they beat Winnipeg, you know, they had dust and crumb. Things did look really good, you know, And I feel like I say that every week. There was a time where it did look promising and I was like, Okay, I'm not sure if you know they're back or whatever you want to say, but but I feel like they've at least made some

progress. But yeah, here we are at the end of the season and I'm like, well, we're kind of just right back to square one, you know, another season with like four wins, and I just I don't know, I excuse me, I don't know, Like I just feel, you know, if I'm a fan of that team, I would feel lost. You know, I don't know where you go. And it kind of feels like you've done everything you can in terms of a rebuild to make things right, you know, and really the only thing you could do is get

rid of some jobs. But that's not going to help, you know, because who are you going to replace them with? So you're kind of just sitting there hoping. You're hoping that things are going to turn around. There has to be a lot of hope. And that's not a very concrete substance to put all your chips in. You know, we use the term pushing all your chips into the table like you're playing a poker game or something like. It's not that's that's not the best approach, but like it's kind of

all they have. I mean, you think about I mean, we were you brought up the behind the r thing and the whole like that documentary was. There was a lot of outlets in that documentary series, but the one thing that they really focused on and built it around was the addition of Jeremiah

Massoli being our new franchise quarterback. And I don't know how many games specifically Jeremiah Massoli has played in an Ottawa Red Blacks uniform, but it's not many, you know, it's not nearly Yeah, five okay, yeah, across two seasons. Keep in mind that not even one season across two seasons. And that's you know, that's a frightening thought given that you know, out of you know how many, I mean that's five out of if I can

do math, thirty six regular season games. Yeah, that's that's an abysmal you know, number so again really unfortunate. Those were things that were out of their control. And you know something, you know, this season. I know you have to leave some things in the past, but sometimes I still think about, you know, what happened with him and Garrett Marino in Saskatchewan and how that was almost a domino effect for you know, how things have gone up to this point because I understand, like, you know,

his injuries this season were separate. It was a separate thing. You know, he came back from that but got injured again. However, you can't help but thinking like what if, Like what if that just never happened last

year and they just kind of kept on that trajectory. I mean, I still don't think personally they would have been an elite team, but I feel like, you know, they still could have gotten into that sort of you know where like the tie Cats are at right now, where you're like, you're like eight wins, like you're you know, almost at five hundred, like looking at the playoffs, like I feel like they had enough to do that. But when you don't have the direction and the stability, things fall

apart really quickly. So I'll stop rambling on about it. You know, there are a lot of thoughts that I have around that. You know, Ottawa is one of the teams where I've been pulling for him for a long time, you know, even more maybe than Edmonton and a couple of these other franchises that you know, would like to turn things around that going into this season, you know, Montreal and Saskatchewan I think two big teams you

know, with question marks given the shakeups there. I won't get into those now, but my point being, you know, Ottawa, all I can do now is hope. You know, I'm hoping that in twenty twenty four they make the right decisions. Like you know, I trust, I know people in their personnel department. I trust Sean Burke and and all those guys

to make the right decisions. You just you have to hope people don't get injured, and you know, you have to hope that, you know, maybe your game management and certain decisions gets better from the coaching side, and you just have to carry on. I mean, there's there's nothing much else you can do at a certain point. So it's a tough spot, but I you know, you do have to keep hope alive to some degree. For just remember, for every out of a Red Blacks loss at there,

Jenna, long time listener of the show is I'm set. Jenna is a long time diehard Red Blacks. Jason, anything else on this, We'll get to the other game. I think we've done good patting this out a little bit, cause I'm like, I don't know we're going to get We're good now. You know, we're thirty teen minutes saying we'll knock through these other games, Jason, any other thoughts Red Blacks or Toronto. Yeah, I just wanted to hammer home the point again that this team has not won a

single game against the East Division this year. They've been actually very you know competitive against the West. They've had wins over Winnipeg, Calgary, Saskatchewan, but you know, other than that, like they have not been able to, you know, beat the East Division. And I think that's the main source of their problems. So let's get into this. And I got a couple a couple of little tweets here to pull up Montreal a letts, you know, like we said, Edmonton dropping at the twenty one to three.

I had a tweet here Dave Campbell talking in the last nine games the alex nfeld a twenty two point lead over Winnipeg, fifteen point lead in the fourth quarter on Labor Day, and eighteen point lead over the Alouettes and blew them all on loss. That seven wins and the Edmonton Dugs hang on out a winner too earlier, and that's eight and nine. Really tremendous here, Jason will go to you first, what did you make of this? And then

we talked a little bit already. But Edmonton dropping, you know, Montreal rolling back and having the big coming from behind. Yeah, I was really excited for Edmonton in this game, like the way it started in like like this is great, Like they could finish their seeds and oh, they have one game next week against Winnipeg, but that's on the road. They could finish their you know, homes late, you know, with a big win here, they'd have three home wins on the season. But ultimately they just

fell apart completely in that second quarter. And I mean Montreal just their pride just kind of kicked in, even though Montreal had no need to win this game with the Hamilton losing on Friday. I mean, I just think they're probably kind of kicked in and they just started playing like we know they can

against these losing teams of the CFL this season. So I think at the end of the day, you know, the Alouettes just showing that they're the better team of these two teams, regardless of the situation, much like Toronto beating Ottawa. So I mean, I don't have too many takeaways from this game. I had a clip here I just you know, talking and we always helped this sound, doesn't player. We always get you know, Friends of the Show on all the and we saw Kevin Brown here coming back just

having a tremendous leaving performance on it. I did like to see that, even in the last I always like to see Friends of the Show here coming back. I mean, look at this, look at this over. Kevin Brown is a spark plug, A big fan of him, and I get to see him featured on that Evan thoughts on the game. Yeah, So you know, for me this game, it was a couple of things. You know, again, I wanted Edmonton to win this game because I know

they can do it. But as Dave's pointed out, while this team has had a lot of momentum in the second half of the season, you know, they've looked a lot better things like that. The one kind of disappointment I think of this resurgence has been the second half. They've blown a lot of big leads, and I always think about that one at Edmonton. I think it was, you know, Trey Ford's like first or second game in the starting lineup, and you know, yeah, they just they completely you

know, whifted for lack of a better term. So yeah, you know, it was a bit disappointing, and you know Edmonton. Edmonton came out strong. You know, in the first quarter, they had fourteen points. It looked good, but I mean Montreal with twenty three in the second I think, I you know, that's gonna be hard for any team to come back from, and especially Edmonton, who you know has struggled with you know, sort of these you jump out to a lead and then you can't really

get back in it. In terms of individual performances, I'll start the Edmonton side. You know, tray Ford look decent. This was a decent game for him. I'd say, nothing special, you know, not one of his games where you know it was a blow your socks off kind of you know, how does he do that type of performance? But it was respectable again, something that Edmonton can build off of going into the offseason, and you know, like you pointed out read with Kevin Brown, clearly, I

think that is where the mental focus of his team is right now. Like, hey, you know we're not we can't win any games for an actual playoffs. Pop can still win games to you know, feel better about ourselves and put points on the board to you know, have something to build off of. So yeah, I think tray Ford look good. You know, Kevin Brown had a catch for twenty two yards on top of like he didn't do a lot, but six point yards per care. You know, I'll

take that. And then Trey Ford got in a bit there on the running action too. Kyen Moore for me in this game stood out with the two receiving touchdowns. He's somebody that I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of guys I haven't talked about this season, but Kyen Moore I want to bring up here late. You know, in the last couple of weeks he came over from Saskatchewan, you know, and he's been silently one of the better receivers I think a return guys at least you know, specialists in

the league. You know, I wouldn't say he's elite by any means, but again, another one of those pieces in Edmonton where it's like he's definitely helped a significant amount and maybe part of the reason he hasn't gotten the attention is just because of all the other turmoil it's gone on in Edmonton this season, and a lot of stuff is directed on trey Ford, as we know, especially over the past couple of weeks with him starting, so things like

that. You know, Gina Lewis was the receiver, leading receiver in this game. Who to be honest, I don't know. I expected bigger things from him this year. I thought he was really gonna be the difference maker at Edmonton, and I think people in their personnel department would probably think the same, just given his stature, and you know, going into this season, you know, I think we sung his praises as being the best receiver in the league. And you know, while he is still one of the

top options, you know that any team would love to have. I think there's a couple guys this season that have done better, you know, and that have proved you know that he might not have the crown anymore. You know, Austin Mack I think being one of them, even if he's you know, slowing down now, as well a couple others. I won't name all of them, but on the Montreal side of the ball, you know, yeah, I mean it was it was a good game for Montreal.

You know, this was a game where for them, again, like they've

got the home playoff games secured. You know, you're you're feeling okay, like this whole thing about you know, them not being able to beat winning teams, but you can beat all the teams with the losing record like this, this wasn't any different for them, Like, you know, as much as I'm saying, you know, Edmonton had a shot it winning or whatever, like Montreal still beat him, but Edmonton still has the losing records, so it's like, you know, he still doesn't really tell anything for anybody.

But it was a good game for them, I think, you know, for Montreal, this is the game where you know, you're just trying to build momentum going into the playoffs. Again, you're not really playing for anything either, but you have work that needs to be done later on the other team doesn't. And you know, I feel like this was a pretty complete game for them, you know, all things considered. Fajardo, you know, I feel I had a again outside of the turnover, which is

what we always seem to point out about him. Outside of that, if you take that off the board, I think he had a good game in the run department. Walter Fletcher, you know, not somebody that we talk about a lot, but a guy that's getting brought up here late in the season. Thirteen carries for eighty eight yards, close to averaging seven per touch. A lot of the discussion, you know, has obviously been around Will stand Back and Joss Ornanti as of late, but you know, good to

see Fletcher getting worked in there. A lot of It's fun at the end of the season, you know, when you've got these teams sort of working in other players that you might not have seen as much, and even if you're not really playing for something, it could be fun. This is a period of evaluation in the CFL. Teams are deciding, you know, who do we want to keep, you know, going in the next year. You know what does that look like? I you know, talking about the

window for practice, roster expansion opens, things like that. So you know, those are evaluation periods or a telltale sign of them. Yeah, I don't know if there's too much else. Austin Mack, you know, is getting back like he's been quiet for a couple of weeks, I feel like, but five catches for fifty seven yards in this game. Tyler Snead again,

someone that's really come along in the second half of the season. Personally, though, the guy I'm really excited about in the playoff matchup with Hamilton is a Tyson Philpot because he's been flashing a lot as of lately, you know, young guy Canadian. I'm really excited to see, you know,

what he can do. I mean, obviously, seasons nearly over, but that game against Hamilton specifically, I feel like, you know, if Montreal really wants to, you know, make a statement, I guess he would be the one to kind of come in and that seems to be his time, at least in my mind. So yeah, other than that, not too much about this game, and it wasn't wasn't really meaningful for either team. But you know, twenty three point second quarter by Montreal certainly can't be

overlooked. It's funny you're talking Montreal like being able to play Jason's side about this, you know, no kind of playing win against the teams. It's like happened like I have X ray vision, but I can only see through like wood or something like. It's not quite you know, it's kind of

a weird, but you're talking. We're talking Eugenealus and all that, like you said, because I was looking at his contract here you know, a ton of money onto that, and that was what made the to me always made like the Cornelius thing even weirder on that where it's like here, we're gonna sign this guy highest non paid quarterback and then you know, sticking with Taylor Cornelius and all that. My last thought, we'll get to adjacent.

I did like, and I'm not the biggest obviously like football expert, right you guys are. That's why we talk about it. But having Kevin Brown say on the on the show, like, yeah, you know, I thought I started the season really slow. I felt like I was thinking too much. I finally now more come up like I also thought you started.

I was like, yeah, I could see that when he was playing, like it felt good to kind of have him vocalize that because I remember watching these games and thinking like something's not you know, mashing at that point, Jason thoughts some that or anything else from this game. Yeah, absolutely.

I thought that, you know, Kevin Brown, like the production the first half of the season did not match his talent, and I thought that, you know, the way he finished last year, I was like, this guy could be, you know, a top three running back in the CFL, and that's what he's become by the end of this season as well.

So I mean, really happy to see that from him. And then just a couple of things from the Montreal perspective, I really think that Danny Machoca, the GM over there, deserves a lot of credit for restalking the Canadian talent on this roster. I mean, you see a lot of pact Canadian players that you know, they drafted really high. Mark Cantwin de Cua was the second round pick, should have been a first round pick, but he had NFL interest. Tyson Philpott, you know, a really talented receiver.

The wal Ugawac had probably butchered that name, but he's was their first round pick this year, went to TCU. Did not play a ton at TCU. It was kind of a backup there, but the Aloettes took a chance on him the high pedigree had playing at a big school, and he's paid off so far with you know, we had a big strip sack in this

one that led to a touchdown and that really swung the game. So I think the Alouettes that's been a big part of the resurgence over the past couple of years is the Canadian talent because before the last couple of years I thought they had probably the weakest Canadian talent in the league. Well, and this was remember supposed to be the big like come down. Okay, everyone left Montreal, we got the new owner here, we fed all the Gary ster

and everything like you know here they are. I mean it's you know, it's second in the East. I mean, you know, you gotta qualify everything. But I mean this, I think this could be a lot worse off for the Alowitz right now that you think, Jason, Yeah, absolutely, I mean that still ten wins season, chance for eleven, right, anything else on this love will power through the last two games here, anything else, you know? All right, So let's get into this. I'll

toises back to Jason first. I'm gonna pull up a photo here, but any thought, you know, we've talked a little bit about this Saskatchewan and Calgary and everything else. What did you make of this game? Specifically? The first half of this game was so so ugly, and I think was it you Evan that said in the group chat that Calgary just wants their season to be over? It was just like they, like Saskatchwan was playing like that too. I felt like, you know, both of these teams did

not win win the game. I thought that Calgary, you know, didn't they have like a two score lead going into halftime. But I think at the end of the day they didn't look too great either. And then really it was just the turnovers in the second half that swung it in Calgary's direction. I think the turnover differential was five to nothing in favor of Calgary.

So ultimately, that's just your game right there, Sascatchwan. I think out gained them, you know, passing yards, rushing yards, but ultimately, at the end of the day, they gave Calgary some short fields and Calgary was able to capitalize. I just wanted to give a shout out, you know, cover and we've had our feet into a three down. All that got to hang out covers. The Stampede's got to hang out with a little bit of Ryan Valentine down in Vegas. So I had a good time with

that, hooked him up with some good uh. I guess his sound is a big Vegas Golden Knights fan, because I I don't understand how I'm like gonna give me your obviously cover a huge fan. Anyway, we met up for a beer. Really fun to see that. You know, I don't think that the Stamps season has worked out the way that he probably wanted it to. But you know, they're getting the w here. Like I said,

we're keeping it alive. I don't know for what regard Jason Evan like thought, you know what I mean, Like, okay, if we got to win out them, but then we're still going to just get into the bus off BC. What did you make of this? Well, you know, when I say, when I brought up the whole thing of it feels like Calgary just wants to lose. I think Farhan was the one that mentioned that on your show last week, like that locker room is just kind of

out, you know. But but regardless of you know, everything that I had heard and everything that I expected, this was kind of like my game of the week for lack of a better term, This was the game where I sat down and I'm like, I don't care what happens. I'm gonna watch all four quarters. And by halftime I almost regretted that. I was like, oh, this is one of those games like this is yeah it

was. It wasn't looking good, but then second half you know, got really interesting, Like it looked like I mean, I was ready at half, and again the panelists were saying the same thing, and Farhan was on the panel that night. It just felt like, I mean, you could ended the game there, you know. That's what it was. The whole

vibe. It was like you could have just ended it there and Saskatchewan would have just you know, closed the door and the West would have been all, you know, but locked up. But then the second half rolled around and then suddenly, like you know, all these things started happening. I credit Calgary's defense more than anybody for this win, because they really, I

think the most pivotal play of the game. You know, there were a couple you know, nice throws here and there by Mayor the one specifically to Luther Hokunavanu was that was incredible, you know, And I tagged Luther in a tweet and I said, this is like, this is good, you know, this is I'm glad I stuck around for this because that was one hell of a grab. But specifically their defense. I think the most pivotal moment in the game for me was Calgary had scored on an offensive touchdown.

You know, Saskatchewan gets the ball back first played Jake Dolegala throws a pick six and I'm like, and that tied the game at nineteen, and I

was like, okay, like now now we're in business. And you can feel like I'm sure we've all experienced this watching football, you know, but you can feel when there's a momentum shift and when a team exactly and you really you feel like that's the moment where if you're Calgary, you're like, okay, like now we have to win, you know, like we've been gifted all this, Like we have to win like something like it's just again.

It's it's the feeling like you've got, you know, season on the line, You're in front of your home crowd, like it's just the classic, like you know, it's a must win game. And in that moment you can tell that they you know, they were gonna pull out all the stops, you know, for lack of a better term, and just go get the job done. And they did somehow they did. Like I watching that first half, you would have never guessed it was even gonna be possible,

but they did it. And I don't know if that's I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. I mean again, right, like this seems like we're talking about it is if it's some heavyweight matchup. But these teams have a combined to eleven wins. So I don't know, like it's it's nothing, you know, spectacular, But it was a good game. It ended up being a good game, and I'm glad you know that second half in particular, at least if you're a Calgary fan, I think

you know, you feel, you feel good. That was some of the better football that you've seen all season from a team that we have called, you know, stale and sluggish and really just not exciting. I mean, hell, I know there's other teams in the league that have a worst record. Take Ottawa and Edmonton is the two examples. They really are the only other teams in the league to have a worse record to some degree, depending

on which point in the season we're talking about. I would prefer to watch those teams over Calgary at any given point in their season, just because Calgary, like I forget the specific stat but you know, TSN had some graphic that popped up during the game and it was like Calgary like, I don't think they were maybe like one in nine during the season at games where they were down at half, and I was like, so it really is like a one half type of season for him, you know, but not in

this one, and this one was the one that mattered, you know, and in football sometimes like it really, I mean we were talking about, you know, the Bills Giants game, like no matter how bad or ugly that game was, like it just came down to the final play, Like that is your game, you know, and that's where it's important to capitalize and do the right thing. You know. It all comes down to that one moment, just like for Calgary, it all comes down to this one

game to keep season alive. Yes, you've had a lot of you know, bad things, and it hasn't been pretty and there's been so many ups and downs, but you're sitting there and you still have a chance. You maybe shouldn't have a chance. You know the fact that yeah we're in week nineteen and they're still fighting for a playoff spot is incredible. But that's the CFL sometimes, just given the number of teams and the way that the divisions

are laid out. But overall, I'm happy for Calgary. I was pulling form in this game just to make it interesting again whether or not either of

those teams should be in the playoffs. I'm sure if you're a rough Riders or Stamps fan, you know, you're, like, you know, you're probably sitting there thinking, yes, like we are, you know, but even even some of their fans, I feel like know that, you know, it's kind of a it's kind of a fluke to some extent, you know, just giving what's what's happened this season in terms of you know,

their level of competition everything like that. But overall, happy for Calgary and yeah, it'll be an in interesting couple of weeks now to see who can get that spot, because I mean, you know, now, like you know, both teams are still in it, like keep in mind, like you know, yeah Saskatchewan lost, but you know that doesn't necessarily mean like Calgary gets the automatic bid, like Saskatchewan could still very well be in it. And you know, things go on as I thought they would, but

we'll see. You know, it keeps it going for another couple of weeks and you know, to be talking about interesting scenarios like that in the final, you know, two weeks of the regular season or whatever. In the CFL, I don't know if you always get that. So I'm pleased I talking to Giants bills. You know, if it was the CFL, you could reviewed that as you could challenge that holding call at the end. There.

This is my embarrassed We'll get to Jason. This is my oppression of evance to watching it Calgary, Saskatchewan at six thirty simmic on a Fridays, just like I'm still in this. It's still real to me, damn it. Jason thoughts on this, We'll talk to your Tay cats here before we

got here. Any other thoughts on Calgary or Sam this? Yeah, I'll say this is that, you know, we have something to watch for over the last couple of weeks standing wise, because I think this is really besides you know, the long shot that BC still catches Winnipeg for first place in the West. This is really the only thing left to the side in the

CFL standings besides maybe the number one pick for the CFL draft. But yeah, I think that's important for the CFL to have something meaningful the last couple of weeks. So we get that with the result of this game. One thing with Calgary, I thought that our offense looked really, really poor throughout this game. Besides that last you know, final drive that you know that that catch by Luther Acunavan, who that was a nice drive, But besides

that, they really didn't, you know, generate too many yards. Look at the running statistics. Just a really pathetic day for them. And that's one thing that's really perplexed me about their season. This is a team that was first in rushing in each of the last two seasons in the CFL, and they've you know, completely dropped off. I think they're like eighth or ninth in rushing or seventh or eighth or something like that in rushing. You know, BC's last. But yeah, at the end of the day,

the Calgary offense just continues to frustrate me, frustrate me. But at the end of the day, you know, they're still in it. So let's get here last one in the hurry up offense here before we get out nail Bider, I'll just play my my heel promo here walking. I was in the in the bathroom at the Mexican restaurant getting ready for Adam Sandler, watching Sean White kick the walk off field goal on my phone on CFL Plus.

That's where we're out on here. I'm cutting my promo to Jason's here because I'm all bawl like, once we win, then I'm just sitting there. I get already said at the top of the show, like I'm not going to Gray Cup if this doesn't work out the way we needed to. Uh, you know, we'll go We'll go Jason, and then we'll go Evan and then we'll get out of here. Jason thoughts on this, you feel good about your TI Cats? I mean they're still going to be in third.

What did you make of this? Yeah, I wasn't too hurt by this loss. I thought that the tay Cats in general played pretty well. I mean, there was some stuff I didn't like defensively, but it was good to see the offense move it with both of the quarterbacks in there. I mean Bo had some like one of the most ugly pick sixes you'll see in the CFL this season on a screen pass early in this game, but I think he bounced back nicely from that, and ultimately it was one of

the more enjoyable games to watch in the CFL that season. This season, I was in attendance and I thought that, you know, this game just had a lot of lead changes, and I thought that, you know, it was just a really generally clean played game from both sides. Yeah, I mean, you know, Vernon but obviously excuse me, had the interception here, but you know, Bo looking good and Shilts kind of a one to two punch there. Interesting. One more question that Jayson will go,

Evan are you? Are you? What do you make of how they have moved bow back into the lineup here. It's very confusing to me. I you know, if they didn't do this last year, I would be even

more confused. But I kind of see what they're doing here because they had, you know, Dane Evans and Matthew Shilts last year, and I mean, I think that may be the best way to use Matthew Shultz because clearly he's not, like, you know, a full time star under in the CFL just because of his injury concerns, But in short dosages he can be a very effective quarterback and we've seen that. And I think the big question

is how do they deploy in the playoff? Do they give both the entire game, you know, trust their five hundred thousand dollars man, or do they you know, give Sheltz the reins if both struggles early in that game, only time will tell. I think to take BC here to the wire and have to have that. I mean, it was a lengthy field goal right to get out. I mean right because I'm remembering now, okay,

because I drank a lot at the sorry at the Adams Sandler game. But like you know, Vernon got hurt and Dan came in and move in the field and this all coming back to my mind now. But you know, I mean it wasn't like to me, I would feel very good about this. I mean, Montreal came in and kind of whipped Edmonton around a little bit in the second half, like ty Kats took BC a playoff team here

to the last seconds of the game. I feel good about that. Evan thoughts on this, Yeah, I mean this saw you know, surprisingly ended up being one of the better games of the week in my opinion. I mean, I you know, I feel like a lot of people had this game circled. I didn't, you know, I I just kind of expected, you know, BC to go in there and to do the job.

But Hamilton made it very close. You know, Hamilton continues to prove that they are still you know, playing at a high level, and they've really, they really have come into form as a playoff team in the East. There's no denying that they are playing, you know, some of the best football that we've seen all season from really any team you know in the league. To be honest, it's a very it's become i should say, very fun to watch, you know. So yeah, I mean, ultimately this

one came down to a field goal. You know, Hamilton still kind of has their two quarterback system in place with bo Levi and and Matt Schultz. But yeah, you know this this was a fun game and a lot of a lot of offense in this one. I felt like, you know, I feel like this was too kind of you know, I can't I don't know, well, Hamilton, I feel like wasn't an offense until recently somewhat, but you know, BC we all know has their great passing game and

things of that nature. Really, I mean I could go into you know, detail on some of the players here, but I think we all know who performed well in this game. What I really want to focus on, you know here in the last couple of minutes, is Dane Evans, you know, coming into that game, just kind of being called up out of nowhere at the most critical moment of the game. Hey, Dane, things are tied, like we need to go, Like you're the guy that's gonna

you know, have this drive that puts us in position to win. For him to do that, you know, just come right off the bench and you know, complete four passes in a row and then have the game winning field goal. I mean that, you know, that's a lot easier said

than done. Like most quarterbacks, you know, come into that situation, and I mean I think about, you know, like Tyson Badge for the Bears played for the first time yesterday, first snap of the game, first snap, fumble return for a touchdown, like welcome to the NFL, you know, and I get it. Dane Evans has played before Tyson Badgin has it, So maybe that's not a great comparison, but either way, both

guys were kind of suddenly called into action. And as the backup quarterback, I've always said, you know, at any level of the game, that's one of the more interesting positions, Like you know, kicker, there's a couple others, but being the backup quarterback is so interesting because it feels like sometimes you're just you know, sitting there to kind of coach and listen and you know, you kind of I mean, look, I haven't been in those shoes obviously, but you know, in terms of actual playing time,

you know, unless there's a significant injury, backups aren't seeing the field much. But in this case, you know, not only like Dane Evans didn't have to play a majority of the game, but he had to play the

most important part. So the fact for him to go out there and do that, you know, and get BC in the position to win, I think that was very you know that that's a good sign, you know, and hey, Dane, I think you know again, well, what made it even more important too is you know, it was his return to Hamilton. You know the fact that he played snaps in that game against you know, the team that he spent you know, several years with and kind of you know, made uh well, I mean he was he was there for

a while. You know, he did some great things there. Unfortunately, you know, last season was a bit of a disappointment. Therefore why he's not still there now. And they've kind of had all these you know, I mean they've played three different quarterbacks this season, so they've you know, definitely definitely gotten a bit creative there. But you know, for him to go back to Hamilton and to get some playing time, that was good to see. And I know he was he was tweeting about you know, emotions

were definitely running high. You know, it meant a lot to him, and you know, I mean he kind of he got to put the dagger into his old team's heart, which is always an interesting storyline to follow. So Jason ties back to you before we get out of here and the other thoughts b C. Hamilton. Yeah, really happy for Dane. I mean, even though it was against Hamilton, I thought that was pretty cool that

he got to come in there. I was like, as soon as I saw him enter the game, I said to my buddy who I was at the game with, I was like, you know, what's going to happen. You know, he's going to drive down the field and you know, some stories in sports just right themselves like that. So congratulations to Dane. And then I just want to finish off with a couple of shout outs for

both of these teams. Matthew Betts just tied the Canadian sack record in the CFL with seventeen sacks, tied Brent Johnson who played for the BC Lions when he set that record seventeen sacks. And then for Hamilton, Dexter Lawson, who's a defensive back, he had an incredible interception that looked like it was going to be very pivotal towards Baby Hamilton getting a victory in this one in the final three minutes, but ultimately BC was able to regain the lead on

that last second field goal. But what an incredible interception. If you guys haven't seen the replay of that, go check that out. Yeah, you know, friends of the show here, you just can't be a quarterback any other position. You come on the show, you're probably going to be doing all right. Kevin Brown, even with the loss, play good what we made it there. You go. CFL Week nineteen in the books. Got through the little NFL should be good. Like I said, I like to

subscribe. I think stuff's coming down this week XFL, USFL. We'll get through all of that stuff and then I'll reach out. Maybe we'll get the Winnipeg maybe try this week with them having the home game, and then we have I think I have a couple of ideas for CFL people to come on to talk. So, like, you know, stay tuned for all that. Jason's got his stuff. I was checking out his previews and all your NFL stuff as well. So Evan, thanks as always. We'll see you guys next time.

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