The Mark Moss Show - Talking with Layah Heilpern

one of my new friends, Leiah hail Burn Iowa. Thanks so much for joining me. Hey, Mark, great to be on the show. I'm a big fan of everything you do with the education you do, so I'm excited to join you. Yeah, it's cool to have you on. UM. You had me on your podcast recently that was super fun. Then we got to hang out in in Miami for the Bitcoin conference, which was amazing, and uh, you decided to stay there. I guess right. Yeah. I mean, Miami is the land of the Free, It's what America is

supposed to be. UM, Miami is truly amazing. UM. I actually interviewed the Maya um a few months ago, and after speaking with him, I just felt so inspired, so empowered to just make a better life. UM. And I find that the general energy of affluence and entrepreneurship UM and empowerment is so encouraging. UM. And it's very unique in the world right now because I think that where the world is in this weird kind of position whereby it's so doom and gloom. You know, we've gone from

a lockdown to a war um. You know, and that came from the riots with racism you know, back in and you know, the vaccine US versus them, like it's just been NonStop. Whereas down here in Miami it's just so um, it's so empowering, it's really refreshing. Yeah. I know that's a big draft for you. We've talked about

that quite a bit obviously. You just said that, right seeing this kind of this air of excitement in and around freedom and I you you talk a lot about money in Cryptocurrey sees, which well we'll get into, but

just on that freedom peace. UM, it seems like on one side, and I'd like your take on this, but it seems like on one side, like it's like this this this this idea of freedom and being able to choose what you want and say what you want is like so under attack, and it seems like the mainstream media would have us believe that it's dangerous and people don't want it, and then they have to they have to control it. But on the other hand, it seems

like there's like this real thirst for it. And what I see is that, um, you know, as Bitcorners we talked about people respond to financial incentives and it's about having skin in the game. And so if we look at like the last election, Um, they do polls, and I'm sure they do them over in the UK, the saying, but they do polls and people just say, oh, this is what I'm going to vote for, and those are typically like way off. But then there's like betting markets

where they bet and those are extremely right. And that's because people put their money where their mouth is. And that's kind of the same what the financial markets are as well. And I thought what was interesting is there's all this talk about Elon Musk buying out Twitter, and it started because he was saying that, hey, there's way too much censorship going on. We should have more freedom of speech, and uh, you know what, what the heck, I'm rich, I'll just buy it and I'll just make

it free speech. And there's two interesting things that I want to get your take on. So one, um, people are freaking out because he wants freedom of speech, which is pretty interesting. So that would make me think, and it's mostly from the elites that make me think, we'll shoot, do people really want that? But more importantly, the markets seem to have spoken. So since the day that he announced he was going to buy it until today, the Twitter stock is up fifty so it's like the market.

So the people are like, we don't want free speech? How dare he do this? But then the markets are like, yes, we're buying Twitter. It's up fifty percent, which, by the way, Peloton, Zoom, Shopify tech stocks are down eight and Twitter. What do you make of that contrast? I mean, so we'll start with the outrage over Elon Musk buying Twitter. I mean, firstly, it's no surprise because unfortunately we live in a world which just really um hate freedom of speech, and I

think that this, Yeah, it's true. Unfortunately some people do. Yeah. I mean when I say live in a world, I mean like generally speaking, and we know that to be true because of all the censorship that's going on. Um, you know whether it's the platform and canceling, um, you know, blackening somebody's name and all this stuff. But I think that the concerning that, the concerning thing is freedom of speech is one of the most empowering things that there is.

Without freedom of speech, we are not free. Because freedom of speech isn't just about physically speaking, right, It's about the way you express your money. Um. You know what things you have access to, freedom of movement and lots of different things. Um. And it's just no surprise that this is happening. Um. I think that we also live in a world where people don't want to take personal responsibility, um, which means they constantly have this sort of victim mentality.

So words hurt them. So I grew up being told that sticks and zones will break your bones, but words will never harm you. But that's not true anymore. Yeah, that's not true anymore. So words really upset people. They harm people. Words and our violence. Um. And unfortunately, this kind of weak mentality has been passed down to us from the elite, which is also why the elite don't like the freedom of speech that Elon Musk is championing. Right. Um.

Elizabeth Warren absolutely hates him. Um. From from what it seems, so you have so you have like this that you have this this kind of um victim and dependent narrative which is being tricked, which is trickling down from those at the top. UM. So it's it's no shock. At

the end of day. Words do not harm you. Um. And I'm a huge advocate of freedom of speech because people always like to say, well, you know, Hitler was able to say whatever he wants it, and it's like, actually, that wasn't freedom of speech because if you were against him, then you get locked up or killed or whatever it is. So that's not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech. With freedom of speech, words really do have consequences. This is

the thing which people are upset about with Twitter. They think that words now don't have consequences because you can't get banned. Actually, your reputation is the biggest consequence. If I went out there and I said something really revolting, if I said, you know, whether it was crude sexually, whether it was racist, whether it was you know, transphobic,

you know, whatever it is, my reputation is at risk. Um. And then people will know who the real layer is, and then they won't work with me, and then I'll be in trouble and I won't have any friends or whatever it is. You know, I really will be facing the consequences of my words. Um. And that is the beauty of freedom of speech. We can see people for who they are. It's so dangerous to ban people because

then we don't really know. Here's the thing. I just want to mention Alex Jones for a sect, because Alex Jones has been de platformed. Um. I know he said some really crazy stuff, and I think he apologized about the He said that one of the shootings was a hoax. Um, I think he apologized about that. But overall, Um, he's been right about some things. He's been wrong about other things. But because they banned him, UM, I don't actually fully

know all of his beliefs. I'm a bit too young to know because I didn't I wasn't following him since the beginning. UM, So now I don't know whether he is a conspiracy theorist or not. Perhaps if they didn't ban him, I would have a much more comprehensive and better understanding about him, um, and be able to, um, you know, come to my own opinions and see truth. Um, that's my problem. You know, words have consequences regarding the market. Money speaks, Mark, money speaks. It is what it is,

isn't it. Um. People always knew that Elon Musk buying Twitter is one of the best things. Um. It was literally a failing platform. Unfortunately, I always compare it to Ethereum. I'm like, it's unusable, it's congested, there's too much going on, and I can't see it was happening. Um. So yeah, I'm not surprised that the money that the money speaks. Yeah.

So many good points that you brought up there. So the first question I go back to is Um, you had said that we were taught that words don't hurt us, but today they do. Do you think that the elites are saying that they do so we have this victim mentality, so then they can use that as a lever to

control the speech. And actually I want to ask you about that and then I want to get more back into the the difference of what they're really doing and saying, and then what the market is saying on top of that. But before we do, uh, I just want to tell everybody again, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. Of course we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I like to talk about the intersection of politics, finance and technology,

which of course is what we're talking with. And I'm joined in the studio by a Leah Lah Helper and you can find her on Twitter. It's l A y A H. Hilper and a T I L p e r In. Give her a follow say hi to her there. When we come back, I want to keep talking about this elon musting a little bit, and then I want to dig in on some central bank digital currencies, which you might have heard has been coming, and what you might not have heard is just how bad and how

dystopian these things could be. Um And I want to discuss that with you because I know you've spent a lot of time talking about that and there's a lot to dig in there. So we'll be back in just a minute. Listen to the Markma Show. We're back in a second. Do not go away, all right, Welcome back. You are listening to the Mark mo Show. We're talking about bitcoin, we're talking about the decentralized revolution. We're discussing how politics, finance and technology are all coming together. And

changing the world as we see them. And of course we were talking about before the break, talking about Elon Musk and Twitter, which is politics and technology, I guess even finance, right, it's all three, Um, all three of those came together. Um but I guess uh. The elites are want us to believe that words are violence, that words are hurtful. Um. But I don't know if they really believe them. It seems to me that they might be using them as an excuse to to control the narrative.

We saw just I think today it was announced that or yesterday that the Biden administration has now um is now putting together I forget the word I don't have in front of me, but some sort of disinformation czar

or whatever. Right, And this this lady I saw someone posted today like a bunch of her tweets, old tweets, and she posted super, super heavily about Donald Trump and the Russian collusion and how um stuff about Hillary and this and that, and all of those tweets have now been proven to have been fake and false and paid for by Hillary. So she was posting all this which was massive disinformation. And now she's supposedly going to be the czar. I mean, how insane is this? Yeah, it's

so insane. Um. I think Joe Very can actually put it perfectly. He said his problem with misinformation, um quote unquite misinformation with disinformation is that what is classed misinformation today can then be classed as true the next right, So corruption in terms of paid tweets and stuff aside. Things are constantly changing, they told us, and they said it everywhere. They said, if you have the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, you will be you won't get COVID, right,

and that was allowed and that was okay. If you say, um, the vaccine could cause some serious side effects, that's misinformation. And we know the latter to be true, um, to be the correct one. Um. And so I think I think it's deeply concerning. They are trying to control the narrative. Um. It's so obvious, you know. UM. And I think in some ways, I'm almost happy that the last two years happened, um, because it shows the true face of the establishment. And I think it's woken a lot of people up, um,

particularly about the importance of decentralization and not trusting your government. Um. You know. I did a tweet the other day, which was which, which was something like, you know, the smartest thing to do is to expect the worst from your government. Um. You only have to look at the twentieth century. Um, you only have to look at the last two years. Um. And then I think the most bizarre part of it all is if you say, um, if you say, okay, let's do the vaccine one again. If you say, um,

the vaccine isn't fully effective, that's misinformation. Um. But if you say men can get pregnant, that is correct. So there's there's some there. So there's some kind of weird psychological disconnection with reality here. Um. And it's absolutely done on purpose. Um. It's not that the elite genuinely think that words hurt. No, you don't become the head of the World Economic Forum or president or prime minister because

words hurt your feelings. Absolutely not. You become that that way because you are ruthless and smart and so on and so on. Um. But what it does is it creates a soxiety of dependent individuals, weak dependent individuals. Why do you think there's a war on men and masculinity? Because who's going to fight back when stuff hits the fan? It's going to be the strong men. And if we don't have strong men, then we will be trampled all

over who. I know, all these cute pictures um were rising to the surface of women holding guns in Ukraine, but I mean until I actually see a woman um with with you know, boots on the ground, they don't believe it. It's the men that go that go into mainly generally speaking, it's the men that go and go on with the boots on the ground and so on, and so we have to be Yeah, we we have

to be very very careful. UM. And I don't know, I don't know to what extent um this new disinformation board is going to be implemented or I don't know what capacity is going to affect us, particularly now you know Elon Musk is the CEO or fan or owner or whatever your Twitter Um, I don't know. But um, that's when decentralization comes in. UM. And that's where UM, voting with your feet comes in. That's where um. Yeah,

essentially voting with your feet comes in. If you don't like what's happening in the US, UM, then you've got to leave basically, Yeah, So so voting with your feet back to uh, back to the Tesla stock. It's at for me, that's encouraging because it gets discouraging when I see, you know, all this censorship and then I see all these wackos saying all this stuff on Twitter, um, and I'm like, man, is that what people really want? Is

that really the attitude of everybody? But then when I see like man, Twitter stocks, like, no, that's not right. And we can see you know, Tucker Carlson, how many views Tucker Carlsons getting a Joe Rogan two million views, you know, smashing the entire city and in network. So that's that's that's got to be more encouraging. Those are people putting their money where their mouth is. Would you

say that's encouraging to you? Yeah, it's really encouraging. Um. You know, at the end of the day, I think money always speaks um and UM. If you look at the views, that tells us which which direction we're going in, you look at the money that tells us which direction, um we're going in. Um. People will always vote with their pocket um and ultimately if they're allowed to, if

they're allowed to, but then they vote in other ways. Right, So like I'd say, watching Joe Rogan rather than CNN is a form of voting in that you're turning the attention somewhere else, and where there's attention, whoever has the attention has the power. Um. And although you're not necessarily setting Although Joe Rogan isn't setting policy, he is setting culture,

and culture is more effective than policy, um in my opinion. Um. And so if we are watching and so and so, it doesn't really matter what happens with these big boards and councils and stuff like that. We're not interested because we have a different community now. Um. We And it is encouraging, you know. I think after didn't Joe Rogan didn't It didn't like the mainstream media's attack on Joe Rogan actually benefit him. He increased more views. Yeah, yeah,

I think I read that somewhere. I saw a lot of people saying I've never listened to Joe Rogan before, but now I want to start listening to him. Like a bunch of tweets like that and came up. Um, but I say, I say, if you're allowed to, because that's a that's the piece that I want to dig into next. And UM, I've been kind of making the case. We saw with the truckers in Canada. You know, they donated money to something that was legally protected and they

got their account shut off. They were frozen. And I've been making the case that without the freedom and you, without freedom of speech, there's no freedom. But without the freedom of being able to transact and make payments, there's no freedom. So if we're guaranteed the freedom of speech and the United States Constitution, you guys don't have a constitution over there in UK. But but in the guaranteed

the freedom of speech. But if but in today's day age, if I can't buy a phone to go online, or a computer go on social media to build a website, I don't have freedom of speech. If I can't pay to put gas in my truck to drive a freedom of assembly. But if I can't put gas in my truck to go to that assembly, I have no freedom of assembly Either's it starts with the payments, and that

seems to be the next attacked vector. They want to control those payments and so um obviously they do with the dollar, and we saw that how they've done that in Canada. Um, we saw how Russia superpower got their bank accounts sezed as well, but the next stage that they want to roll out, these central bank digital currencies could give them unlimited, unprecedented power that I think most people haven't really thought through it. And And I know you've been spent a lot of time talking about this. I

want to dig into that. But you're listening to the Mark Mos Show and we're talking about If you're just tuning in, we're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about the decentralized revolution. We're talking about how politics, technology and finance are all coming together to change the world that we're in right now. If you're not paying attention, it could be left behind. It could be bad for you, especially when it comes to these central bank digital currencies that

they're rolling out. We still have time to push back. I'm joined in the studio by Layah Helpern and we're gonna dig into that in a second. She has been talking a lot about this. Of course I've been talking about a lot as well. We still have time to push back if you get educated. Um, so I got a lot more to go over when I get back in a second. Don't go away, all right, welcome back. You are listening to the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin.

And cryptocurrencies. The decentralized revolution is I like to call it. The world is changing rapidly right before our very eyes, and we can either become victims to it, or if we're paying attention, we can help shape the world that

we want and come out ahead on this. I'm in the studio with Laiah Heilpern and we are talking about this freedom of speech and this elon must Twitter pretty interesting and kind of just the difference of what they're they're they're telling us what they really want, stopping freedom of speech and with the markets favoring UM. But now it looks like this next attack victor is the money.

M Henry Kissinger famously said, control the food, you control the people, control the energy, control the continent, control of the money, you control the world. And so of course those are three things that we're seeing. Attack on food, an attack on energy, and attack on money. Um. And this next attack on money seems to be the central bank digital urgencies that they want to roll out. A lot of people maybe don't realize what's happening because money

is pretty much digital anyway. UM. But there's a lot more to that, and I know you've been thinking a lot about that, right, La. Yeah, I think you make a really interesting point. People don't realize because they think money is digital anyway, so they're thinking which difference, Yeah, now it is, yeah, but you know they're thinking, what's the difference? Um, the differences efficiency? I would say, Um, so right now they can block your bank. Um, they

can't necessarily confiscate money as such. I don't believe that your money. Actually they can confiscate money. They did that in cyper Us in two thousand and thirteen. So for those that don't know, UM, in two thousand thirteen, UM it was called it was called the Cyprios the Cypriate haircup. So those who had over a hundred thousand euros in the bank account had it had some of it basically

confiscated um to help pay back the economy. Because the economy wasn't a very it was in dire straits essentially, so they confiscated money from the wealthiest citizens to help pay for it. People woke up the next day with their life savings gone. Um. Now that's rare, I guess, um, but it but it happens. I mean we saw, we saw the Biden administration sees seven and a half billion dollars of the Afghanistan Central Bank just recently, just in the last couple of months, so the entire all their

money is gone. And then obviously in Canada their bank accounts got seized, and then Ussia's bank accounts got see. So it actually happens quite quite a bit. Yeah, And I think that there's always there's a difference between like actual confiscation and freezing. Um. I don't. I don't think anybody's funds were confiscated in Canada, Am I wrong? Or right to your point? They froze them and they the next step would have been to take them, and I

guess they gave most of them back under under immense pressure. Yeah, exactly. Um. So with central bank digital currencies, they're on the blockchain, um, but it's centralized um. And so the same awful monetary policy which they have now printing money and so on will be implemented. And I think the problem is that there's this whole idea that they will be marketed as better for the environment. They will be marketed as this new, shiny, amazing coin. Um, it's so innovative. Look at us, We're

at the forefront of innovation. That's what's happening in the UK anyway. Um, you've got these deadbeat politicians who are coming back, as you know, rebranding themselves as new innovative by promoting CBDCs. Um. But CBDCs are programmable. UM, so if you hold the wrong opinion, Um, they can be programmed. So you can't spend your money. So, given you know, we're in the middle of this terrible climate catastrophe. Since

the sarcasm in my voice an emergency. Yeah, we're all going to die in in a in a year, um, as they've been saying for the last seventy years. Anyway. UM, So given were at peak emergency here, UM, we've got to be careful. You know, you can't buy too much meat because meat is bad for the environment, and so you could go and fill up your car, um, and your CBDC could get declined. Why because you've reached your

pollutionism your your pollution allowance. You've reached that. Um. You know you bought too much meat this week, that barbecue you had the other day, that was it. Um, And this isn't that far off. This is the thing. UM. I know it sounds crazy, but but it's just not you don't have to look at the last two years.

Imagine if I said to you in two thousand and eighteen, the whole world is going to be locked down for something which has a nine survival rate, and they are going to force you and mandate you to take something which you don't necessarily need. Um, they're gonna in Europe, they're gonna find you, um, three hundred euros a month if you don't do it. I mean, it's ludicrous, and yet it happened. Um, so the same will happen with CBDCs. And you make a really good point. I think. I

think money is the root of everything. And you know, you can have freedom of speech. Um, I can shout from the rooftop that I don't like my government. I don't agree with this, I don't agree with that. Um doesn't mean anything. Nobody's gonna hear me if I can't pay to get somewhere where people can hear me. It's like if if you scream in the middle of the woods, is anyone going to hear you? If for tree fools,

did it really full? A couple of things I think about central bank digital currencies too, is that it's uh, it's programmable money. So right now, to your point, they can freeze accounts or sees accounts, but it's not very convenient for them, so there's a lot of things they have to do. UM. But with programmable money, it's built into the program. So for example, when they send out the stimulus, the whole point was to stimulate the economy. They wanted people to spend the money. A lot of

people didn't. They sat on the money. So they could program the money and say, hey, lea, you here's your money, but if you don't spend it by Friday, it comes back to us. For example, sake a program or to your point, they could say, hey, you know, smoking is not really healthy anymore. It's not really an approved thing anymore. So now you can't buy cigarettes anymore, um or you know, alcohol or by alcohol process or whatever they want. Right,

you can't buy steak anymore. You shouldn't be eating meat anymore. No more steak, right. I would not like that. They could say. They could say, hey, you're you don't save enough money, so we're gonna give you a five percent interest rate. Hey, Mark, you're saving way too much. You're hoarding. You have a negative ten percent interest rate. Hey you have reparations. Hey, you're part of this minority group, whatever

it may be. As they can do all these things, they can program it into the money, right, I mean that that's it's behavioral modification, behavioral control. Really yeah, And I think also we've got to emphasize the point that the money can expire so they can print lots of money to stimulate the economy. Um, that's their excuse for flooding the system and causing inflation. It's to stimulate the economy. Well, what if they want to do that, But what they

also say is we need people spending to stimulate the economy. Okay, so you're I don't know, ten percent of your savings will expire if you don't spend it with an X. We're doing this to stimulate the economy for your good. You used to think about that for a second. I mean that literally what does that do? Though? What does that do it? It doesn't allow you to save and become financially free, build wealth. Their for you will always have to work to have money. You become a slave.

You literally become a state, and this will be a one way relationship. What does that mean? You think you think, you think, you think President Biden's money is expiring. Absolutely not you think the head of the Fed his money,

the chairman of the Fed, his money is expiring. No. Given it to blockchain, technically we should be able to see every single transaction that's ever happened, including where our taxes are going, including where you know who Hillary Clinton is paying for different This isn't going to be on any open source blockchain exactly. And really it's not even money, right, So money if you think about it, like back to the Canada situation, they didn't seize the money, they froze it.

And part of the reason why they went back on that, I said, under immense pressure, is because what happened is everyone started going and pulling their money out of the bank. Even Jordan Peterson went on and said, hey, everyone should get their money out of the bank. And so there was these massive bank runs and they're like, oh, shoot, we we we better re change. We're better change the changes than they did. But under a CBDC, there is

nothing to go pull out of the bank. There's nothing to go pull out and put under your mattress or in your safe. And so really, at the end of the day, it's not money. What it is is the government gives you credits on their ledger, and if you're a good boy or girl and you get more credit than if you're a bad boy or girl, they take or whatever sex they deem you. I don't know about that, and then they take credits away from you, right and so really it's just like we get money as a

credit from the government. I mean that's very dystopian. Yeah, I mean you can't even you can't even flee right, Like I'm I'm always moving countries. Hopefully I'll settle in Miami for a bit. Um, but I can come to Miami. I come from London to Miami with my bitcoin, and I know that I'm okay. Like if you know, I ever need money, UM, I have a backup. I have a savings technology which is going to which is mine and nobody else can touch um. So essentially it's much Um.

It's concerning because who says you can bring that cross borders? Who says that you can flee tyranny with that? You can't because you don't own it, as you said, well, it's program. They could just say, hey, you can spend it in this country, but again, spend in that country. Period you know, um, you're listening to the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I'm in

the studio with Leiah help Burn. We're talking about central bank digital currencies which are coming ready or not here they come. They're already in China, a few other smaller countries have already rolled them out. Of course, the United States IF Reserve is talking about getting them out as quickly as they can. I want to dig in a little bit more. I have some other questions and some thoughts, and there's some bills that are pushing back on this

that might hold it back. Some things to talk about. You're listening to the Mark Moa Show. I'm gonna be back with more with Leia in a second. Do not go away, all right, welcome back. You are listening to the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin and the decentralized revolution. We're talking about politics, finance, and technology all coming together changing the world as we speak. I'm in the studio with Leiah help Burn. We are talking about all three

of those things. We're talking about how the politics are deciding to control the finance of the money um and using this new technology and we're talking about central bank digital currencies. Um. Now we're talking about how they can be programmable money. Um. How really it's not money at all because I can't withdraw it or hold it. It's really just a ledger and they can choose to let me. You can't. You can't escape with it in a country, because they could say it only spends here, it doesn't

spend there. Um. I said earlier that without the freedom of payments, there is no freedom. Um. When we were at the Bitcoin conference, I gotta work the news desk for a while, it's pretty cool. And I was working the news desk when Alex Gladstein was on the stage with Yomi Parks and I forget the other two people that were on there, but she's, uh, she's kind of famous for escaping North Korea and telling her story about that.

And she made a statement that was kind of what I said, but the opposite, and it's something I thought a lot about. And she said that without freedom, there's no need for money. I say, without the freedom of money, there's no freedom. And she said, without freedom, there's no need for money. And so what does that mean, Well, in North Korea there's no freedom, and so UM. They get their ration of rice and sugar, and they don't have any need for money because there's nothing to buy.

There's no freedom, and so that's kind of what we're talking about. In central digital currency. They'll give you their ration of of checks on their ledger that you can buy your staples with, but then they control what you can and can't have, how much savings to your point you made, how much savings you can have, things like that, So it sounds very dystopian. Now there is some pushback on this, So a couple of things that I'd like to ask about. So one, you know, I don't know

that much about the government in the UK. I'm guessing it's just as incompetent, if not more incompetent in the United States government. So first off, in the United States, UH, under Obama, they pushed through this Obamacare or a government take over the health care UM and they built this new website and the website is very simple, go on and shop for an insurance plan. There's lots of insurance companies that you can go shop for your insurance plan. And they were going to roll this out and they

couldn't do it. They failed, It was delayed didn't work. They spent two billion dollars to roll out a stupid website and they couldn't even get that done. They finally had to hire a private company to do that. Another example is for the last forty years, the i r S, the Internal Revenue Service, has tried to overhaul their tax system and they have been unable to do that. Every single year they mess up on hundreds and hundreds of

thousands of tax returns um. Just this year, after years and years and years and years of years of trying to do it, they said, you know what, Uh, we're not going to do it. As a matter of fact, We're just going to overhaul the couple core pieces of it and then we're gonna just forget about the rest and that won't be done until so that's uh, seven eight years from now. So how competent do you think the government is on actually rolling out a system that works?

I mean, do you think they can get this done in a couple of years or do you think that, just like most government things, that will probably fail. It's such a great question. Um. The reason why it's a great question is because usually I would say I think the government is incredibly incompetent. However, when there's a will, there's a way. They managed to get a vaccine out very quickly. They managed to get vaccine passports out of very quickly. You're only allowed into the United States now

if you're vaccinated. This is a very very quick turnaround. Um. And so it's very very they're very competent. Um. If there is something to gain, they will do it. I think a lot of the time, the bureaucracy and the incompetence really just comes when there isn't the when there isn't an alignment right and there's pushed back from the other party. I remember Obamacare being very controversial at the time. I was super young at the times, in an eight um,

but I remember it really well. I remember it being very very controversial. So I imagine part of the difficulty was all the pushback naturally incompetent people. But if you have a group of individuals who are running the show, who have one set goal, it will be doable and it will be done when it needs to be done. I think it was magined. Noirs, you imagine no ore so um, I think it was imagined. It was who said that the vaccine passport wasn't the goal that allowed

the physical infrastructure to be built for vaccine passports. So now we have a we have something digital. We have this digital infrastructure which can determine freedom of movement. But they've leaned but all the all those all that has been built by private companies. The government hasn't built any of that out, correct, But so well, I don't know.

So then do you think that maybe the government won't actually route a central digital currency, but instead they'll maybe co opt an existing stable coin and say, now we're gonna take the stable coin that's gonna be our money now like because we can't do it. So that's maybe kind of what you're talking about with a vaccine passport. Yeah, I think it's gonna know, I think it's going to be a central mane digital currency. It's not going to be a stable coin. Um, and I think that it's

going to be. It could be done with a private company. Um, why not. Let's is the most efficient way to enslave the people. Why not? That's what they've already just that's what they've already done. Um, I mean China's done it. Do you think China use a private company? Uh? No,

China Chowna doesn't do that. But do you think do you think that the government, the US government doesn't maybe have as big of a need or a rush to do this one because the dollars are the reserve currency of the world and they have and Jerome Pale actually said this right we have, we have the most to lose, and so we can't rush this would take our time

with it. But also how much of a demand is there because the U S. Dollar stable coins are already so prolific, they're already everywhere, they already make up a huge percentage of it. So the U. S. Dollars already represented out there, and so maybe there's not the biggest need for other than there's the control aspect of it. But if it's just if we're just talking about it without the control, but man maintaining the dollars reserve status

in position in the world, maybe it's already there. I mean, I don't I mean, any CBODC that we have would be a would be a digital version of the U. S. Dollar. So I don't think it would undermine the dollars position. Um, I don't think it's it's necessary, don't think it's needed, Like you said we have stable coins. That was working very well, right, But but the question is to what

extent would they like to control the population. So if you believe that everything is about the money like I do, and everything is about control, then I see no reason why this wing happened. I mean, weird stuff is happening, weird stuff, like everything has just stepped up a notch. What was that world you can work for? And video which came out about in you have nothing and you'll be happy? What is that? It's just weird. There's weird

stuff happening. The last two years was weird. I think that it's odd, you know, so I think there is a plan here. And she was also weird. Mark the fact that everything has just dropped suddenly, everything is just dropped variants. We don't talk about it anymore. We got the new thing, right, the thing, the thing um and then the thing. I'd say, also, you know obviously you mentioned China. Well I brought up China. Then you asked about China's private company. Um, China is in a total authority.

I mean they don't hide it. It's the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, right, It's so there's no no hiding that. Um, I don't know where the UK is, and there's some version of that. Obviously, the US is still somewhat between trying to go to a dictatorship and we're still kind of somewhat free into republic here um. And so there

is a lot of pushback here. And so like Senator to Ted Cruz um submitted to bill to block um the Fed's ability to give accounts directly to the people and like compress the banking stack, which I thought was maybe one attack factor. And then we saw recently like that e cash bill that got submitted where the Treasury would actually have the ability to roll out their own digital currency instead of the FED. And so there's a

fight there. UM. So you know, we'll see I think, um, if this that gives me a little bit of hope, and back to kind of a little bit of hope. If if this sounds like something that you doesn't doesn't really excite you, maybe scares you a little bit. Uh, there's still plenty of time to push back on this. If you were going to make a prediction, do you think we'll see this in the next eighteen to twenty four months or is this like five years or ten years or how far. I think this is more five

years to ten years. But like you mentioned, that is a lot of pushback. UM. I also think that the UM, I think the narrative is changing. UM. I think that the push towards the left is becoming weaker. People are waking up. UM. You mentioned politicians are standing up and um sort of voting against these things. So I think that we may not get that because we're having these kinds of conversations. That's the point. More people are waking up. And so I'm yeah, I'm I am optimistic. Yeah, well

I'm optimistic too. And it is scary because to the point that we're making. I mean, this is money. This isn't something you can withdraw from the bank like in Canada. It's something that they just have the ability to control and they can devalue it or steal it from you whenever you want. And so if you can't pull that money out of the bank can put in your matchress, then where do you store your wealth? Well that's where bitcoin comes into play. So that's why I'm such a

big proponent of bitcoin. It gives us the ability to hold our wealth in a way that they can't create more of it. They can't inflate it, nor can they steal it or prevent me from using us. It gives me the freedom of payments as well. Um, you've been listening to the Markmas Show. I've been joined by Leiah Leiah Helper and you can find her on Twitter at Leiah HELPERN and we'll put it in the show notes as well, talking about bitcoin and the decentralized revolution and

that's what we got. Thanks for listening.