The Mark Moss Show Nov 4, 2022

to listen to me all the time. And so I am joined today by a good friend, Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin. You can find him on Twitter at Corey Clipston and also shout out to swan. Swan Bitcoin is putting together the Pacific Bitcoin Conference coming up here in Los Angeles in a couple of weeks. You can check it out Pacific bitcoin dot com. I'm super excited about it. Bring an event back to my backyard. I'm excited about that and I'm happy to have you Corey. Thanks for

joining me today. Yeah, it's great to be here and and obviously I share your enthusiasm for having a big get together of bitcoiners here. It will be November tenth and eleven at the Barker Hangar in Santa Monica. So yeah, I cannot wait for that. Yeah, it's about time, you know, we I know we talked about this before, but like bitcoin was supposed to be in southern California and we kinda uh we kind of lost we lost it and

maybe we can get it back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, we have been talking about that, and I'm not willing to see the territory and uh and I never left. You're back. Uh we will do a pencer move from me north of l A and you south of l A. And we're gonna take over the whole metroplex. Yeah yeah, so, um, you know some of the original cipher punks, it kind of had this like southern California roots already. Yeah, this is how finny territory. Yeah, howf any territory. Right, So,

like we kind of had the southern California roots. I think if it wasn't for that stupid pandemic. Uh, we would we would have had we would have had it here, you know. But anyway, bring it back, and I'm happy for it. So everyone checked that out. Pacific Bitcoin dot com. You have the tickets. I'm gonna be speaking there. Of course, Corey will be there. We got Michael Sailor, the Mega Chad Coming gig a Chad, Alex Epstein, Len Alden, and Jeff Booth, Robert Breed, Love Preston Pitch, Greg Foss. It's

gonna be awesome. But let's uh, you know, I know, you've been talking about a pretty interesting and um super timely and relevant topic, and um, you're kind of framing it up as the race to avoid war, which I mean, you gotta be careful, Corey, because you can get canceled for saying things like that. Right, I mean, look what they tried to do with Elon Right, he said that we should have peace. I mean, how dare how dare

someone recommend peace? Um? I saw today two things. One Obama now is saying that we should have peace, and two I saw that they called on the Pope to see if they can get Biden and Puttin to sit down together. And I was like, isn't this between Puttin and Zelinski while he was Puttin and Biden if it down together? Anyway, interesting tidbits, But anyway, you're calling for the race to avoid war? Uh? Frame that up for us? Yeah, I mean this is specifically in the context of bitcoin.

So it's it's not sort of the kinetic war that we think of may turn that way someday. I hope it never does. But basically what it is is the only threat to sort of fast speedy adoption of bitcoin and bringing forward this you know, this future that we all envisioned with higher productivity, less economic friction, more freedom, more prosperity for eight billion people on Earth that we

think that bitcoin as global money will bring about. The only entity that can coordinate any sort of major delay to that is the US government, working in consort probably with banks obviously allies around the world that sort of rely on the Western system that's underpinned by the exorbitant

privilege of of a treasury and dollar back system. UH and probably a cabal of all coiners sort of running their grift and attempting regulatory capture and trying to insidiously creep into banks and governments and affect regulations and do things that are contrabict coins. So that's kind of the three parties that uh, I think that I think today that they might have the most to lose from a

a bitcoin bitcoin I is hyper bitcoinization type future. And so the three, the three, the three were the government. The federals are of government crypto grafters and banks and banks. Yeah, so that that's sort of the the access of evil in bitcoin terms. Yeah, but they're not all They're not evil people. They just don't understand. I actually firmly believe that most of these people just don't understand uh what

they are doing when they delay bitcoin adoption. So you're not going to be able to stop bitcoin from winning.

It will win. The question is whether it wins handily and early and we're living in you know, thirteen years from now with bitcoin as a widely used store value, medium of exchange and unit of account and it's full global money, or do we have to go dark and there's wars on bitcoiners and boots on neck for anybody that has a k y C stack and you know, all this sort of like hiding around the world and everybody using thems and we have to like fight it out for a century and you have to wait until

the or something like that for bitcoin to dominate. Um. And so I, you know, being of a certain age and wanting to enjoy as much of a bitcoin ized future, like selfishly I want that, But then also I think there is as outlined by Andrea Santinopolis probably seven eight years ago, like, if you can, if bitcoin ization can stave off one episode of hyperinflation anywhere in the world, then we all kind of have a moral imperative to

try to make it happen as fast as possible. So while I do empathize with people who say, you know, I don't mind it to aching a long time, I like cheap SATs and I want to build a fatter stack for myself, you know, I personally have made the judgment that I think there's, you know, a moral case for trying to make it happen as fast as possible, and that means winning this race for adoption before the triumvirate can declare war on bitcoin and bitcoinners, because if

you make it, if you get to that point where we have an in transigent minority, in particular in the USA of call it ten million bitcoiners, that's three or four percent that's kind of required to on a single issue that you have people that just won't budge on that issue that will kind of flip society. That's generally the threshold you need to hit. So if we win that adoption race, then we will never have to fight the war because it will just look too preposterous to

try to wage it. I remember when you when when you first started SWAN, and I remember you saying that was the kind of the goal of the target. So you've been kind of pretty focused on that from the beginning. In regards to that, I would say a couple of things. So One, it seems like, you know, with Biden's executive orders that he put through, maybe that already kind of sped up or declared the war potentially. Uh, well's let's

talk about let's talk about that first. So I mean, through these Biden in thiccative orders, right, they needed to do all this research into you know, digital assets and sterms of make digital currencies. Do you think that was an escalation or you know, speed up the timetable to that potential war. Yeah. So that's that's something that I would put in the column of this this delays bitcoin adoption and speeds up the potential for some kind of

coordinated effort contra bitcoin. So that that's generally how I like everything is in one category or the other at this point. It's like if you are in Rason Horowitz and you start a new fund and you hire some regulators as regulators as gps to get around the lobbying alls, so they can just spend all their time trying to rest regulation over crypto securities from the SEC and and basically do regulatory capture of the CFTC by offering them tons of money so they will regulate you in a

friendly fashion. Like that's something that's working contrabitcoin. If you are you know, Ripple and Consensus and you know Vitalic and Sam Bank and Freed and all these guys. Brian Armstrong, Freed are some all these guys you know, pumping out these E s G narratives and and trying to pretend that proof of steak is innovative in some way. And you know, Ripple funding Greenpeace to do anti bitcoin proof

of work campaigns, like you're working contrabitcoin. I'm not going to tell some dude that I'm playing basketball with who happens to be into crypto or blockchain or whatever that he's an enemy of human freedom because he's not really understanding it the way that we might. But uh, yeah, you know, yeah, well um yeah, you're listening to them Arkwall Show. I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston. You can find them on Twitter at Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin.

We're talking about the race to avoid war. Got a lot more to dig into when we get back from break in just a minute, talking about the race to bitcoin adoption and can we get the adoption before the war breaks out. We'll be back with that and more in a minute. You don't want to miss it. We'll be right back. All right, Welcome back. You are listening to the Mark Mos Show. We're talking about the decentralized Revolution.

How the world is changing right before very eyes, as we swing back from centralization to decentralization, and we look at through the lens of politics, finance, and technology, which of course the technology is bitcoin. And I'm joined in the studio today with Corey Clipston. He is from Swan Bitcoin. You can check him out on Twitter at Corey Clipston and also check out Swan Bitcoins event coming up here

in two weeks in southern California. Check it out a Pacific Bitcoin dot Com alb speaking there with a whole bunch of other heavyweights, Michael Sailor, Alex Alex Epstein, Lynn Alden,

Jeff Booth, Robert Breed, Preston Pitsch and more. But anyway, Corey, we were talking about this, uh, the race to avoid war, which you were framing up the inevitable war that it's really it's the it's probably the number one objection that no coiners would have to bitcoin, but the government's going to make it illegal, right, And it's that inevitable showdown which everybody kind of knows that the central bankers, the powers that be will never want to give up control

over the money, and so there was always gonna be this like inevitable showdown that's coming, right. I think that's kind of this war. Um. But back to this war, is it speeding up? Um? So we were talking about before the break this the Biden executive orders where you know, you gave a hundred eight days to do all this research and kind of bring this stuff back, which they've done. Um. And it seems to be picking up the timetables on

the c B, DCS as well. And you know, we see obviously the rhetoric happening from the E c B and the I m F and all these other regulatory bodies. But then on the other side, so you said, um, if we can get to ten million users needed, that's

kind of like this base number. Um, I thought the numbers were more like there was twenty five million Americans that were already been Yeah, so it's specifically it's bitcoiners and a bitcoin or the way I think about it is someone who has a decent chunk of their net worth in bitcoin and actually has pretty good understanding of bitcoin and actually gives a or cares about it. I should say, Um, you know, so that's that's a much much smaller number. I'd probably peg that at maybe one

two hundred thousand people in the USA today. Um, And

that's probably I think that's probably about right in that range. Um, because you need people that are, you know, going to make life a little bit difficult for a politician that comes out contra bitcoin, which we saw play out in the primaries in the congressional race out here in so Cow with Brad Sherman, who's kind of the most vociferous anti bitcoin guy in Congress the last few years, and a prime a challenger came up who was willing to learn about bitcoin and willing to talk about it and

make it an important issue in her campaign. And even though she didn't win, he seems pretty obvious he hasn't set a peep about bitcoin in a year. It seems pretty obvious he got the message that a lot of people will come in and make life difficult for him and and create challengers for him and fund his opposition if he goes at bitcoin. So that's the type of thing that you need kind of nationwide at every level.

Is these ten million bitcoiners that are willing to organize around bitcoin, be pro bitcoin and be uh, you know, make life difficult for people that are anti bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah, and we're definitely getting there. I mean to your point

that Brad Sherman race was a perfect example of that. UM. I also remember, you know, just recently when they tried to change UM some of these rules about the protocols and what's crypto broker things like that, and they opened up for comments UM and then they had so many comments. I saw, you know, coin Center and so so forth put out a data. Let's say that they had no idea that they were going to get this type of a response and that they were overwhelmed, which you know,

whatever crypto people or whatever. I don't know what the difference of bitcoin or crypto was, but they're just overwhelmed by the amount of people that came out in support of that, and I think they are taken back by that, and it seems like we're starting to see more and more politicians kind of running on this. I don't I don't know, I haven't haven't figured out how to divide the bitcoin and crypto, but running on this pro bitcoin or pro crypto, pro freedom money kind of movement. So

I can help you very quickly with that one. I mean, the coordinated response to try to protect the crypto grift machine, that is, everything in the crypto space that's not Bitcoin, was basically because they have a ton of funding from all these crypto vcs that have been you know, dumping these these pump and dumps on retail and clipping the

coupon on that making a lot of money on that. Um. So they have plenty of money to go and try to argue their case, which is why they have you know, Sam Bankman Freed has six million dollars spent on campaigns in the last cycle, and you know, these guys are trying to lobby to again get the CFTC to regulate crypto instead of the sec things like that. So they have plenty of money to argue for crypto. There's very

little money to argue for bitcoin. And I think that was what we learned in when the infrastructure bill came out and had some of this stuff in there, and all of the crypto advocates and the blockchain groups and the crypto coin center types were perfectly willing to throw a Bitcoin under the bus and say that say things like running a lightning note is the same as being an ethereum staker, and all the sort of false narratives, uh to serve their own ends and keep their grift

going as long as possible. Yeah, and and that's a big problem. And we saw I mean recently, you know with what SPF Sam BigMan Freeze come out with UM, you know, basically kind of lane lane Bitcoin down at the altar, so to speak, right like hey, fine, like get rid of the pow, like we'll comply with the with the green climate energy, you know, like let us keep this little kind of piece over here as long as we can kind of control it. UM. So we

see that. But then also you know, so so there was a big pushback not just in money spent, but in the amount of people that that that said that UM. And then also I mean it looks like there's maybe at least a dozen, if not maybe a couple of dozen of pretty high ranking politicians. Um, we saw, but Patrick McHenry was like the head of the Republican head of the Financial Refutory Committee. I mean he specifically said no bitcoin and it can't be stopped, etcetera. Um, Cynthia

Loomis name a couple. But I know what, Davidson, Yeah, I mean there's there's a handful that actually get bitcoin and are saying things the right way. There's unfortunately, more than half of them are really just trying to get campaign donations from cryptographs. So they say pro crypto blockchain things and talk about innovation that they don't understand because there isn't any and they're essentially just trying to get the money to flow into their district or their state

or whatever. Um. So yeah, this is there's a big dichotomy there. There's some people that understand that this is freedom money and this is the best thing for America for the world is to switch to a bitcoin standard over time, and then there's a bunch of people that are just looking for the quick buck and you know, kind of the politics version of the Matt Damon Super

Bowl ad for uh, you know, a scam website. Yeah, and that's a problem, right, especially for people that aren't super educated where they they want to be this like single issue voter. And so then you get in a situation like in New York right where uh, someone runs on a pro bitcoin platform and then they want to ban bitcoin mining and it's like wait a minute, like and so kind of trying to figure that out, but um, yeah, it is growing it It's sort of seems to me,

Well then what about what about the bank? So you kind of framed up the war against the banks that was one of your three factions. But if you look at, um, you know a lot of the big financial institutions, Fidelity comes to top of mind, but you know, even Goldman, Sacks, et cetera, a lot of them have spent I would estimate hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars to

bring bitcoin services, right. They want to they want to tap into it greedily, right, Um, And so they want to to offer bitcoin services because there's money to be made there. Um. Do they want to just let the government just take that away from them? With baby fighting for that? Listen, it's multi variat. There's so many things going on. The banks want to play a role in

CBDC stuff. They wanna participate alongside Amazon and Google and all the venture firms in squeezing as much profit as they possibly can out of this, you know, crypto scam, bubble um, crypto, blockchain, magic, whatever um. And at the same time, obviously there are revenue streams associated with bitcoin as an asset and and increasingly, you know, especially the back half of this decade, I think bitcoin as payment rails.

So there's a fight between firms and inside of firms, you know that bitcoin versus crypto versus the legacy system. Uh continues unabated. Yeah, you're listening to the Mark Moa Show. We're I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin. We're talking about the race to avoid war, framing up what the war is, and I want to get into when we come back, what we're going to do to help advance that. We're back in a minute. Don't go away,

all right, welcome back. You are listening to the Mark Moa Show talking about the decentralized Revolution, and we're talking about bitcoin and the race to avoid war. I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston um from swan Bitcoin. Check them out. They are a bitcoin company helping people get bitcoin very easy. I love how you can buy bitcoin on swan Bitcoin and have a delivered directly to your cold storage. That limits the risk out of that. So check that out.

And the upcoming Pacific Bitcoin Conference happening in my backyard here in southern California and two weeks check that out Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. Now Corey um so so framing up this war, we talked about the factions. Um, the war is escalating because of what the Biden administration executive orders have done, etcetera. We also have um, the banks and politicians. Some are kind of in it for their own greedy reasons. Some are, you know, kind of there.

The one thing that I think we kind of also have going on on the bitcoin side is that, you know, when the government, when the Biden administration comes out and starts talking about clamping down on guns, gun cells go through the roof, and it seems like the governments are almost doing bitcoin marketing in a sense where like you have the Trucker protest right and like they start seizing people's money and all of a sudden, people are like, oh, shoot,

that money in the bank isn't safe. Maybe I should think about bitcoin. And so all of a sudden, bitcoin kind of came to the forefront of people's minds, and it seems like, um, you know, like people would say, well, they'll just make it illegal, and I'm like, well, like the war on drugs, Uh, since ninety one, since the da was formed, drugs have only gotten bigger and bigger. And when the government tells you not to do drugs,

it doesn't make me want to do them. But if the government tells me I don't have the right to keep my wealth in a way they can't steal or manipulate from me, it sort of makes me want to do that. Do you think that maybe the more they try to crack down and shove a cbc D down our throats, maybe that actually highlights and pushes the need for a bitcoin. I mean, I know you need it, needs I know you believe it pushes the need more it. Yeah, I think CBDCs, if they roll out in any major economy,

will ring the alarm bell. So I think what you'll see is, let's say, if CBDC rolls out in central bank digital currency, where the literally the central bank controls the whole damn thing, and there's no banks in between, and they can just like put money in your wallet or take it away or create rules like you know, you can use it on yogurt but not on ice

cream things like that. Um. So if that rolls out in some in an economy like the UK, and Americans are looking across the drink at something like that, I think you would basically see all the conservatives and constitutionalists and libertarians just go absolutely nuts and and get orange pilled very very quickly, kind of the way all the macro people found a bitcoin in UH after the COVID crash. I think that would be that same kind of thing.

If you actually started to see a a really nasty, you know, CCP style CBDC roll out in a Western nation, especially in economy of some size, I think that would be the wake up call to the UH the you know, sort of freedom minded organizations and and swass of the political spectrum in the USA. Yeah. Yeah, and so we're definitely going to see that. I saw I was talking about earlier, um, this article from the I m F. I'm talking about how central bank digital currencies would let

governments control what people spend money on. Right, That's what they said, and uh Neil Kasharski, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, wrote quote, I can see how China is for this. I don't see how Americans would want this. And so we all went from big neo cash Cary haters a couple of years ago to being big Neil fans a couple of months ago when he tweeted that out. Um, yeah, he's got that right, he

nailed it. This is this is marching into the arms of tyranny and the worst dreams of science fiction writers of the sixth season seventies. If you go this this way, this is not the American way. Yeah, it also seems. And so you framed up these different factions, right, so you have the banks and let's just talk about the

the banks and the Federal Reserve. Um. I had I had done a YouTube video a while back, a month or two ago, um talking about this kind of from a different angle, which was just like this this ultimate war, this ultimate showdown where the central banks don't want to give up control over money, which we would all agree on, Um,

which central bank wants to give up control of money. So, um, it seems like you have like this euro Davos ECB group, which kind of the Obama Biden administration is going along with that. Um, which then they have this whole Green Transition initiative which they want to spend a hundred and fifty trillion dollars over the next thirty years, which would

then crush the currencies to print that much more. And then the FED seems to be fighting act like does the Fed want to give up control over the dollar to the e c B. So you kind of have this in fighting. But then at the same time you have the bank. So in the United States we still have like the Federal Reserve, and then we have these independent banks, right, and so the banks don't want to give up control over the money either, And so you have like the banks fighting against the Fed, the FED

fighting against the ECB. Maybe they have enough on their hands to worry about. Well, I think I think it's probably it's a mistake to say, hey, these are the adversaries. What it really is about is there are people, governments and companies that do things that help bitcoin adoption and

help us run faster. And there are people governments and companies that do things that hurt bitcoin adoption and make us run slower, and that increases the likelihood that a war on bitcoin and bitcoiners takes place, and it uh basically brings it further forward that it could happen sooner, you know, so basically makes it harder for us to win this race if it if the war comes sooner with more force. And so there can be people governments

and companies that do a bit of both. As you were noting, there are people, there are companies and banks that are making it easier to buy a bitcoin while also participating in all this anti bitcoin stuff out the other side. Like I've got a I've got a bank's venture arm trying to invest in Swan at the same time as their you know, commercial banking division dropped us yesterday morning with no notice, no email, no phone call, note,

like nothing. That thing is like funded to make payroll at the end of the month, and they took our you know, half mill that was in that account and just sent it into the ether. And I have to go like hunt it down, and they're going to mail a check to my old home address that I haven't lived in in two years, you know, fifteen days from now, and and you can't talk to them, You can't get them to wire the money, you can't go pick it up at a branch. You can't get them to send

it to the right address. It has to go to the old address, get returned, then they can send it to a new address. And a couple of months and until then, you know, a growing tech company doesn't have their half mill And and again we got shut down with zero notice. So I think every time you interact with with the banks, and you see, I mean like they're not aligned. There's people inside this bank that love bitcoin or they're pushing it hard, but another division is

doing stuff like this. So, like I said, I think there are there are fights within governments, there are fights within banks, and there are fights you know on the individual level. Two right, there are there are people that really like bitcoin that don't quite understand yet what their

crypto activities are doing. Two increase the chance of a war on bitcoin and and decrease you know, the chance of us of us not having to fight a war, you know, or our children being able to enjoy a post bitcoin eyes future and the prosperity and freedom that comes with that, or you know, maybe just don't make the connection that their actions promoting crypto scams uh is increasing the chance that some country lives through an episode

of hyperinflation that that wouldn't happen under bitcoin. So I think it's it's incumbent upon each of us two come to an understanding like this, however you get to it, or however you end up framing it for yourself. But you know, everything that the Privacy and no k y C bitcoin faction does is making Bitcoin look harder to attack every time somebody sets up, you know, a mining operation in the hinterlands of some country on the other side of the world to make Bitcoin harder to attack.

And so you're kind of hitting it from both sides. We're pushing adoptions super hard here in the West with Swan, while at the same time very much supporting through you know, like my venture activities and just kind of promoting on all our media channels whatever we can about people that make the bitcoin look hard or two attack. Everyone's working

in concert. If you look at you know, are you doing something that's good for bitcoin and helping us win the race, or are you doing something that's you know, bad for bitcoin and making it harder to win the race and thus bring about a war on bitcoin. Yeah, uh, you're if you're just tune in and listening to the Mark mo Show. We're talking with Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin talking about the race to avoid war. This is the inevitable showdown of what we want to use as money.

We're gonna be back with more in a minute. I want to talk about what we can do to speed it up to win that race. You want to talk about some of these concrete things and maybe talk about some time frames. Will speculate a little bit. We're back with that and more in a minute. Don't go away, We'll be right back. All right, Welcome back. You are listening to the Mark moa Show, sitting down today with Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin, and we are discussing the

race to avoid war. We're talking about the inevitable showdown with money and us having the freedom to be able to choose what money we want to use. That gives a the freedom of privacy that allows us to then be able to transact. I like to say that without the freedom of payments, there is no freedom at all. Period. A lot of people haven't really taken the time to think through that. But we know that the powers that be, whatever facts should you want to frame up, they don't

want to give up the control over money. It's been the probably one of the oldest battles in in mankind. You know, Corey is with a swan bitcoin um. Also, we're talking about the Pacific Bitcoin Conference coming up in about two weeks here in southern California. Check it out Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. Some of the biggest speakers in the space, Michael Sailor, Alex Epstein, Lenld and Jeff Booth, Robert Breedlove, Preston Pish, and of course myself and Corey

will be there. Come check it out Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. But Corey, let's talk about UM. Let's talk about this bat a little bit and and maybe some of the things that we can do now. I'm hopeful and maybe I'm just as humans, we have to be aware of our own biases, right and I'm an I've an optimist. Is optimism biased? I know I have to kind of check app But like I said earlier, like they're almost

doing the marketing for us. I see h Augustine Carston's from the b I S he said, quote absolute, he said, the central banks will have quote absolute control over the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability. And then we'll also have the technology to enforce it. So absolute control. And so my hope, my optimism biases that as more people see these things, are gonna wake up and realize like how

bad this is. But they're on their path and hopefully maybe there's some in fighting that slows them down along the way and we get a couple um congressman, senators, etcetera slow it down. But I know you were kind of focused on getting this uh ten million number needed or number needed. I mean, what what what does the average person do to really kind of help win this

war or the race to the war? Yeah, so to to to win this adoption race, and let's avoid this are on bitcoin that again I don't think is inevitable.

There's an inevitable switch over to bitcoin. It's just a question of when it actually of course, And you know you wanted to talk about sort of timelines and for not prognostications like I think it can happen as fast as like and that bitcoin can be established as you know, a mature store of value market cap will be you know, probably north of fifty trillion trillions something like that, and a widely used medium of exchange, and at minimum another

unit of account, probably global where you may still have some existing fiat currencies like the dollar. Euro is probably gone, but yeah, and it's probably still around maybe the un UM and you know, the price tag would also have Satoshi's on it. Um. So that's what I think will happen if we win the adoption. I would I would say I would probably speed I'm going to speed that up a little bit. I think. I think by the

end of the decade, I think we get there. And the reason why is, I mean just looking at S curve, right, So S curve measures like a technology adoption rates. Yeah, typically is kind of kind of full adoption, right, So if you look at the telephone, the color TV, the

black and white TV, the washer machine, etcetera. So typically the time it takes go from zero to ten percent, at the time it takes go from ten to ninety and so we probably hit about ten percent adoption by two thousand nineteen, and so maybe by maybe we get to that number. Um, we're all looking in a crystal ball, we don't have. I've been I've been talking about this quite a lot this year as well, and in particular because I I realized that I didn't think it actually

fit technology adoption curves. And there's a book written by Carlotta Perez back in two thousand two called Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital, and I took it with me for the summer and re read it over the summer. I hadn't probably read it since I think I read it

for the first time in or something like that. And uh, I think bitcoin is one of these things that comes along every like, you know, thirty to eighty years, so the last one being the start of the information revolution, which she at least marks as the first intel chip rolling off of a fab in one, and then before that the first model t rolling off. So that was

the the age of mass production. So whenever in the nineteen o six or something like that, and before that, you know, industrial revolution and before that steam right, So I think it's something about every fifty years. Yeah, it could be a lot bigger. Yeah, So in in what distinguishes a technological revolution from a single technology that made you know, social media, Hey, there's an industry vertical that got created right, and it had a technology adoption curve.

A technological revolution has an adoption curve that actually changes all industries. And I can't think of anything that fits that better than changing the money for all industries. And so I think bitcoin is much much bigger than iPads or the internet, you know, consumer Internet or something like that. I think it's I think it's bigger, and I think it's more like on the order of the information revolution or the age of mass production or something like that.

So I am kind of thinking that this, I think is like aggressive but possible, and it's probably even without fighting a war. You're probably looking at bitcoin being everywhere by and it could be delayed significantly by decades, maybe even to the next century. If we let the crypto scammers have their way, if we let the CBDC scammers have their way, if we let the banks do what they've always done and just kind of like ride rough shot over the people. Um, you know, we need to

fight for this thing. And you asked, you know, what can any individual person do, like educate yourself and find your list of resources to help your friends. You know, I always give away swan dot com slash free book, which is in my view, the best book ever written on bitcoin, Inventing Bitcoin by Yon Pritzker. Um. I think

the Bitcoin Canon is an amazing resource. So this is bitcoiners that have been around for a long time putting together there go to list of resources on different topics, which would be like bitcoin and macro bitcoin and energy bitcoin one oh one, bitcoin and privacy things like that.

So that's a Swan dot com slash canon C A N O N and you can see, you know, what Matt O'Dell has to say about a topic or safety, and or Stefan Lavera or len Aldon on different topics that they're passionate about, and they've sat down and created a curated list of resources on that topic for you to dive into. And I find that to be one

of the best. Those are like the best links that you can send people new to bitcoin because they can find somebody that they like and they trust, and then you can send them what that person has to say about what's important in bitcoin. Yeah, it's always through education,

you know. I constantly, uh I constantly just recite the quote for um Samuel Adams and said it doesn't take a majority to prevail, but rather a small irate minority keen on something brush fires in the minds of men, and that brush fire is that educational piece, like waking

people up to these things. And I like to tell people to like, don't just don't just receive this information that you and I are discussing, or I do on my shows or you do on other shows, Like, don't just don't just receive it, but like, go discuss it with somebody else, right, go share it and just create a discussion about it. Spark that creativity, sparked that brush fire,

and it just continues to spread and spread and spread. Yeah, you're you're so right about finding somebody to discuss it with. And I think it's probably been like a year since I said this this U r L on air somewhere, and I don't know why I stopped, but like, there are I think Telegram is probably the place where the best bitcoin discussions happen other than in public on Twitter.

And so if you download Telegram, then in any browser you can just put t dot me slash swan bitcoin and in there are like thousands of people that are just talking about bitcoin topics and discussing bitcoin and helping each other learn about bitcoin and sending tips to each other and new resources and links, and a lot of the top people in bitcoin that that come on our shows, like Mark and and Uh and Land and a lot of these folks will be in there and you can

actually just ask them questions in real time. So yeah, I think conversation is a big part of it. Um. I should mention, by the way, since you mentioned the conference a couple of times, use code swan s w a N for off of tickets And if you're down for the v i P experience, there's an amazing v i P party on the evening of the first night, and then there's a beach mansion rap party on the twelfth on Saturday that is also part of the v

i P experience. So I think it's uh, it's a heck of a deal for people that want to kind of upgrade their conference experience and use code swan either way, Yep, for sure, Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. I'm gonna be there hanging out. Um. It's probably cold somewhere wherever you're at in some part of the part of the world, and November is an amazing time to be in southern California, is some of the best weather of the year and not the summer, it's the fall, so come to Pacific

bitcoin dot com check it out. You're listening to the Markmas Show, sitting down with Corey Klipston from Swan Bitcoin. Thanks for listening.