The Journey To Building In Crypto

I am sitting down with Ni. He is a host of involvement podcast um Titan Ventures, and he has made a transformation from just being a content poster on Twitter all the way to building legitimate businesses in the crypto blockchain space. And he's done it through a very unique path that he's done on his own, traveling the world on his own time to meet people, learn things. Uh

an amazing transformation. Has so much insight because of his travels and everyone he's talking to, great conversations that's gone. Just jump right into it, all right, everyone, Welcome to another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. I am here with Ni today. He's been in the space for a while doing some big things and we've we've been able to keep up a little bit here and there, and I really wanted to dig in. He's got a really good story to tell, So I'm really excited to have

this conversation with him today. So let's just jump into it and I I welcome to the show. Hey bro, glad to be on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, awesome. So um, you know we've been we've we've kind of been keeping up in touch a little bit here at different events and and talking here and there. I've seen you doing some big things in the space. But for everyone who doesn't know who you are, why don't you give us a little background of how you got here

and what you're doing right now? Yeah? Definitely. So um. In terms of my journey in crypto, I started kind of just as a trader, trading all coins and and and trying to make trying to make money. And once I got a little bit deeper into really, once I made it like a decent amount of money, I was able to kind of relax a little bit and and uh and look at look at my life and say, Okay, really,

what do I want to do next? And when I looked at what I want to do next, I said, you know what, I've been studying all these all coins. I've been studying this this is this technology, just from the trading perspective, just from the fundamental perspective, Like why don't I dive in and actually learn what the ship is about? Like why this is important? You know, there's

a bunch of people that are passionate about it. I know, like a decent amount about it, like much more than your average person, but not to the degree where I could sit down and educate people on it. UM. So I spent a lot of time traveling. I spent a lot of time learning as much as possible UM, talking to as many intelligent people as I could, started a podcast to learn as much as I can, Still learning

a lot every single day. But I found myself just in love with the the concept of what this whole industry is about UM, and specifically what bitcoin is about UM and the mission that that it's trying to accomplish UM. And Yeah, that's led me to where I am the day, which is running UH. I run a company called Titan Ventures. UH. Titan Ventures has three separate wings. We have a media wing which pretty much runs UH my my podcast. It

owns a couple other media sources. And then I have Tightened Labs, which is the second wing of Titan Ventures, which is a startup incubator, which is incubating a few of our own personal ideas right at the moment. And then we have tightened charity where we've worked with companies like Finance Charity and things like that to try and help and give back to the people that deserve it and need it. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Now I'm just curious. You said, Uh, it's really cool to see

how you came in as a as a trader. I'm just here to make money, and there's so many entrances into the space. Mine mind really came a little bit more ideology from the ideology bind it. But you came in from a trader. But then you got sucked in UM and you learned what this big concept is about. So what is that big concept that that you fell in love with? Well, for me, it's always been in about, uh, what can I do to impact like the people around me and to impact the situations that are going on

in the world. Like even before Crypto UM, I've been very very passionate about the concept that we we really need to evolve the way that we're thinking. We really need to evolve the way that we're living. In order to continue living on this planet for the next fifty d two hundred years, things need to change, things need

to be different. Uh. And so once it once like I finally got the scope of what was happening, uh, in terms of the fact that our entire monitor, the monetary system is manipulated and controlled, and specifically manipulated and controlled to gain more uh financial benefit for the people who already have a lot of money which is really used to fund war and other negative things in in our world that that destroy our world. Once I kind of got that and I saw how bitcoin could potentially

disrupt that. That's really what like the click moment for me. Mark, Yeah, that's awesome. So we're all we're all here together fighting the good fight, right, but I love it. It's a peaceful it's a peaceful fight. We're opting out of the system. So the reason why I really was interested to talk to you is because you came in kind of like, you know, just just to make some money. You kind of started I think maybe started just posting on Twitter

kind of your thoughts, what you're seeing, whatever. And now you've had this path to now being a builder in the space. Right, So, um, I love that. You know, we talked to a lot of different people in the space, investors or or other people, but um, I want to talk to you just because it looks like, I mean, you're obviously proving that there are lots of opportunities for people to get involved in this space. Yeah, I mean I think that's the biggest misconception, to be honest with you,

is there. M hmm. This is the opportunity I saw. I saw that as a trader there was at this amount of opportunity. You can make good money if you're really really good at what you do. It's a volatile market and and if you're great at it, fantastic you can make a ton of money. Um. But if we're talking about like, like money is obviously a good thing.

I think it makes it's it's good in the regards that it makes you, like comfortable, but beyond comfortability, it doesn't provide other things like happiness, like legacy, like uh, improving the general scope of your life beyond comfortability. So for me personally, like, I'm really really interested in in legacy, in building something that impacts the people around me and impacts uh, the goal or mission of what we're doing in in whatever things that we're doing so specifically right

now in the bitcoin cryptococurrency space. So as things evolved for me personally, I saw that there's a bigger opportunity to build things, build companies, building ideas, build concepts in

the space. Then there is to make money trading, uh, and you can also make money by buil holding those concepts and building those ideas because if we are all correct here and this is the next multi trillion dollar industry, then you could be building assets and companies right now that you might be able to build for ten dollars, they could eventually be evaluated at over a million, ten million, hundred million UM. So that's that's really where what my

focus was. That's what I really realized early on UM and when people just like, like like you said, like I just joined because people started to like my tweets, you know, and I just kept going because people are like, oh, this is cool. And I was really just my thoughts, my opinions, and my jokes. And it wasn't until like a little bit later, like probably three or four or five months after I started sharing my stuff that I was like, oh, ship, this can actually be built into

something way bigger. Uh, and I just took the leap and started to do it. Yeah. So I know for the last couple of years you have been like on the move. Even today, you're travel everywhere. So I I and I get asked all the time, how could somebody get involved in the space. There's a lot of people like you and I who see what's going on when to get involved. And I'm like, well, you could build

websites or do marketing or whatever, right, all these things. Um, so what would you say, Um, for someone who's looking to get into this space, I mean, follow your path, which is just get out, meet people, see what's going on. No, not necessarily, because I don't think that everybody is like that, right. Um. I'm really good with being in front of people. I'm really good with being in front of the public eye.

I'm just I thrive in that situation. I thrive under that pressure, even when there's a lot of hate on me, Like, I thrive in that Like that's how that's what I like. I enjoy it because it's it's kind of like the mentality of like, oh, someone says something negative about me, I'm just gonna just work even harder and just stick it to their face even more. But not yeah, exactly, but not everybody's like that, Like, everybody has different goals and ambitions, and UM, I think the first step is

to like find the place where you're comfortable. And so when I was first joined the industry, like I was comfortable in trading. It was easy. I could stay anonymous online, uh, and I could share my thoughts and opinions and and do live streams with the mask on, right, Like that was comfortable for me. Um. And then I then the second step is to find like what you're good at naturally, Like you probably have skills that you you've been utilizing before you got into crypto. Use those skills to uh,

to become like to to add something to the industry. Right, So if your website developers start reaching out to all these companies who have horrible fucking websites and just like offer your services to them, you know, build a brand that way, um And and really that's that's where that's where it lies. Is you gotta utilize what you're good at and uh and yeah, give it to people. So do you think do you think since this space is growing so fast that um, there's a lot of need

for people that have specialty skills. So for example, UM, as the space grows, they need to build websites. Um And if there were people that knew how to build like crypto specific websites, had domain expertise in crypto, they could probably do really well. Or let's say that I'm a copywriter, but now I learned all about crypto, I can write copy for crypto. There's probably big opportunities for me.

Is that I mean, there's bigger opportunities for anyone. Um, if you're like I think first like first step is you have to be passionate about this place. You know what I mean, You're not going to stick around for the long term. We've seen it in the bear market. So if you're if you're passionate, is the only way

you're gonna stick around for the long term. Yeah, I agree, I say, Uh, what I like to say is that you know, to be successful, it requires so much hard work, and if you're not super passionate, you'll never be able to put the work in required to like get there, right, So yeah, passion for sure follow that exactly. Like when you've lost fucking of your money in a bear market, and like it's like you, like, the only reason you would stay around is to see through what's going on

with this technology. So yeah, step one, passion step to figure out what interests you. You know what I mean For me personally, when it first started, like what interested me was like making money so that I could be a little bit more comfortable because I was in a tough financial spot. Um. And then once I had like reached that, the third step was like utilizing what I'm good at, what my talents are, what my skills are, to add value to the industry and the people involved. Yeah, yeah,

that's perfect. And and I would even encourage people that if you if you're interested in something like I'm a good writer, I should learn about copyrighting. Great, take a course in copyrighting, and then go off for those skills to the market even right, they get take it one step further, but um, that's great advice. Yeah. So not everybody should be out there doing what you're doing, especially if you're not a people person and you're kind of

more introverted. Um that makes sense. Um, So being a guy that's that's traveling all the time, I think you just got back from Asia, right or Taipei or something like that. And it was just in taipeim in Florida today and then I'm back in Japan in a week. So yeah, so that's crazy. So, UM, tell me what you're seeing out there on the road, well, going on out in the world. It's it's interesting, man, it's interesting. Um. I just spent my first month and a half in Asia.

I haven't done or I've excuse me, Europe, so I haven't done Europe before, uh this year, and it's interesting to see the different like subcultures. So we have the US where people are pretty passionate about it, but they're very much passionate, passionate about it from the trading standpoint. You know, there are people that are building companies here, which is really really cool. But if you go to a cryptoconference in the US, UM, it's much more low key, right,

It's not packed. It's not really full like full with people. Um. There are people always trying to sell you stuff, but it's not like, uh, it's not like the event to be at it. But if you go to Asia, men, it's fucking crazy. Like Taiwan. I was just there for a b S summit hosted by my good friend Andrew and uh, they have everyone there, you know, like sees these there, Arthur Hayes is there, No Reel's there. All the c NBC guys are there, and it's like a

hyped event. You know. You walk in there and there are like three hundred people in one like small room watching uh, like walking through looking at boost. There's another five hundred upstairs. You know, there's another two hundred in the lobby like having conversations. Um, it's exciting, it's exciting. It's it's uh, it's it's that's I think the thing that that I can really say is it's literally exciting.

It feels like you're in a new environment. And why why do you think that is so different than what we see in the US. Is it because the US is um kind of kicking all this stuff offshore, or they're just more into they maybe they see a need for the technology more. What do you what do you think about that? That's a good question, man. Um. I think Asia sees the potential of the industry more in my opinion. Uh, there's a lot more people trying to

build things. There's a lot more people trying to create things. Uh, it's really where the hub is, you know when I like, when I go there, I'm always hanging out with my buddies from Europe. I'm always hanging out with my buddies from the US. It seems like everybody seems to congregate, uh in Asia, and I think I think it's like specifically like they are like the Silicon Valley for crypto. Yeah. I did an event with Max Kaiser. He was in

l a A a week ago. I don't know if I'm sure you probably saw that, um, And he was saying, uh, you know, people are asking him and they said, he said, you know, probably the US might be the last place to see real adoption because we had the least need for it. People in the US think we don't need the problem, you know, we don't need a solution for privacy, or I don't need a different money, whereas other countries they see this every day, right, Their currencies are crashing,

their money is being stolen. Um. So do you is that kind of what you see when you're out there you kind of get that sense? Yeah, I mean I I can definitely agree with that, that sense. You know, Um, it's not necessarily like the topic of conversation at these conferences though, Right, So it's not like how do we solve our bittens or how do we solve these major issues when you're at a cryptoconference, Uh, it's more talking about the technology. People are always trying to show you something, um,

but it's not necessarily in those conversations. But I could see that as a potential reason for these solutions, you know specifically like here in the US, Like the matter of fact is like people are starting to learn that, like they're that the money is is is not good.

You know that the inflation is is occurring. Um. That they're starting to learn about privacy and all these different things, but they don't care specifically in my opinion, because uh, they haven't had a reaction to what these things can do or the potential damage is not like even like hit them, So they really can't even like conceptualize the

potential of what might happen. Right. So then you you just spent like you said, a month and a half in Europe, obviously a lot of times in the US and now Asia, So do you feel that Asia is really kind of the hot bed right now? It's like the hot area to be A's just A's just number one not even a question. You know, Singapore, Hong Kong, specifically Korea, South Korea. Soul is like absolutely always popping. There's a big event coming up in Singapore sometimes soon

in there. Yeah, Singapore Consense will be in in September. I'll be out there for that. And then right afterwards is Korean Blockchain Week. Yeah, I might need to get into that one. I haven't been. I haven't been over to Asia and I'm definitely missing out on that. Come with us, bro, Come with us So. Um, so you're so you're out there, you're seeing, like you said, there's a lot more people at these conventions, a lot more companies they're exhibiting at the conventions. Um, are you seeing

any kind of trends? Um? I think you know, we've seen like a bunch of you know, new protocol layers that were faster. Um. Now I see some maybe like some new interest interest and maybe um identity and privacy. But what are you seeing as far as like that

trends out there right now? Right now? Like there isn't a super definitive one trend, you know, like last year two thousand seventeen leading into eighteen, like it was just protocol season like literally everyone was releasing a protocol like every week, you know, like this does a hundred thousand transactions for execting in all this bullshit. UM, what I do see and what the main trend is is every single person who I talked to UM has built something

and it's fucking cool. Like I I've not been shilled like one I c O or one I e O Consensus this year or in Taiwan. Everybody that's come up to me to like shill me something has been Hey, we've built this, we have this working product. What do you think? And to me like like, it's such an upgrade from two and two eighteen, like where it was just a white paper. It was a white paper and it was people literally coming up to me and being like hey, man, like can you help me pump this token?

I'm just like, no, get the funk out of here, like it's crazy. It's crazy. So people are much more technology focused and much more like a product focus. Yeah. So uh it's interesting to hear you say, you know, all the BS and the faster transactions and whatnot. You know, coming from the space where you were a trader and you were you were making money or trading against all these these protocols. And I think back then there was a lot of thought of maybe these protocols could take off. Um,

now you call it BS. So has your vision changed a little bit? How you look at the industry, the assets and it's maybe specifically protocol layers. No, I mean I think that they're all all have potential, right, I think that a lot of them in two thousand seventeen. Specifically, I don't think we see it as much anymore. But they utilize specific language to hype their product up without

having something to back it up. Um. You know there was many people claiming ridiculous transactions per second, uh, claiming like ridiculous partnerships that weren't actually really true. Uh. And it was specifically to manipulate the price of their coin coin in order for them to make more money. Um. And it's whether it's good, whether it's bad. It happened.

I see less of it now, which is good. UM. And my perspective is still the same, to be honest with you, Like, my perspective is like we're in an emerging market. In a normal like normal industry startups fail in an emerging market, I would even imagine it's probably hired. The startups are going to fail. So like anyone that's like investing like in the stuff or trading it, they have to realize that. You have to look at it from that perspective. Um, And I don't give a ship.

How fucking cool your coin sounds, how good the CEO talks on camera, how good? Like the potential points are, Like if you're holding anything besides bigcoin long term, it's a game. Huh. So that's that's yeah, I kind of

I kind of agree with you on that. We'll jump into that in a second, but I'm just I was just gonna say, you know, for me, my vision of the industry has changed from nineteen um, and really just in a sense where like you know, seventeen everything was open and now the market has matured so like today, like I just don't like, oh, you're a new protocol air and you have a million transactions, I don't really care.

Like that's at this point. I don't think that's enough. Um. It seems like the people who are in the protocol race today are going to be the winners. Um. You know, and and now we're starting to see I think the next stage of the volution, which is now building more of like the infrastructure and on ramps and and and whatnot is now building on top of those protocol airs. So I'm curious. You know, you're seeing a bunch of companies. What are they building on past protocol airs? I mean

it seems like still people are building on ethereum. Are you seeing EO so are you seeing cosmos? Like? What what are people building on? Yeah? Gaming has been really focused on EOS. You know, a lot of the games that I'd like to talk to talk with, they're they're building on the EOS. Uh protocol. Ethereum still number one, man. You know, everybody can hate on ethereum the fact that it's not scalable yet and all of these different things,

but Ethereum still number one. People are building on ethereum and they're consistently building on ethereum. Do you think don't you think the scaling um narrative is kind of dead or should be kind of dead? Right? Like I feel like, uh, I feel like all the scaling for Bitcoin and ethereum happens on layer two and side chains and whatnot. Like, can't you do loom? Like you know, I'm you know, loom you can create a d p O S side chain and that could run just like e O S right,

Like I don't know, yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know much about LOOM specifically, but I do think like the concept of like, oh, it's not scalable is kind of bullshit, um one, because we don't even have uh, the the volume that's necessary for scalability yet, Like right now, it would work completely fine to just run it like run on ethereum. Maybe if we have another crypto Kitty situation, yes,

we need to have a much more scalable solution. But the matter of fact is like that was during the most hyped period of crypto, and it showed us that that's a problem, and then it will be it'll be an issue if we don't solve it in the future. But like from my personal opinion, I think you build things and as you build them, they get better. So once you have maybe a hundred users on the platform, you're gonna need need to scale to a hundred fifty.

Once you find the scalability for a hundred fifty, you get a hundred fifty. It's something that takes time, it's something that builds. It's not like something that all of a sudden, like you're going to have Ethereum is fully scalable immediately right off the bat, and then a million users come on and instantly need to use it, Like, I just don't think that's how things work, right, Yeah, I agree, I agree. Yeah, that's why I just think that the whole scaling argument is just it worked in

twenty seventeen. I just don't see it as as much today, which is why maybe I'm not as excited a new protocol ayers when all they're trying to say is they're faster, right. Um, So I was just curious. Um, the video game space is something that is growing pretty big. Are you You're seeing a lot of that out there. I have been talking to more and more game companies recently. Yeah, I was just I just was out in Vegas the last

two days. Just did a little midweek get away with the wife, and it was just interesting to see, like, I mean, Vegas is just so big, and it's just like all like old school gambling and then it's all like mostly walking through the casino, it's all just still slot machines and it's just old people sitting there. And I couldn't help but having this conversation with my wife. She goes crazy because I just always doctor about this stuff. And we're at the pool and I'm just like, you

can see the whole skyline. I'm just like, look at all this. It's like it's like old though, Like there's all old people right, Like new people don't care about hitting the slot machine button. I just can't. I can't help but think how like E gaming or e sports is just gonna just take that whole just wipe that whole thing out. Maybe. Yeah, man, I think the gaming

is huge, dude, I really do. Um. I haven't studied it enough to like be like super educated on the subject, but E gaming is big, and personally, like what I'm really bullish on is I'm really bullish on like n f T s Um. I think n f T gaming and s f T gaming is going to be fucking massive. Yeah. So when you talk about n f T, so for

people that don't know, uh, non fungible tokens right. So n f T gaming meaning that, um, I can earn things in the game that I can keep in control and own on my own, and then those could be transferred out of the game and my value that I could use somewhere else exactly. I mean, I'm not like the best example, Like when I was a kid, Pokemon was the sucking shit right like and if you had like like even now you have a first edition charges

are my buddies collecting first edition charge arts? At least he's trying to do. They're like seventy dollars now they're ridiculously expensive. So the but the concept is that is the only one that is in existence, and there's one of maybe there's like fifty of them ever made in existence.

Now imagine you utilize that and you put it onto a digital platform where you can open card packs online and each card it actually has a digital digital signature to it that makes it completely unique from the rest, and then you can play Pokemon or whatever the game is with someone who's across the world utilizing the cars that you just opened from a pack. It would be like taking my entire childhood of of of these card games and moving it into a digital atmosphere that allows

me to play without borders. And I think that is like, I think it's the like realistically, I think it's the a like adoption should be like really occurring first, And I think it's a fucking trillion dollar industry. Yeah, I think all this is kind of the same, right, So it seems like this is it's all about value. So if I'm playing that video game, I'm creating value, and I should be able to keep that value and transferred over.

But it's also all these other tokens are kind of the same, where it's like, um, unlocking value out of all these silos. I was kind of explained to my wife, how you know, it would be no different than using my airline reward points or you know, we're at the casino, you know in Vegas, Like I could take those reward points and then we could interchange those And so, whether that be reward points or whether it be in video games, it's always about us being sovereign, having the sovereignty to

own our value and transfer that value around. UM. So that's really cool. I think, Uh, we'll have to see if the video game makers will get on board with that though, right, that's gonna be a big hurdle, I know, man, I like, I want to talk to Pokemon about it, to be honest with you, I just want to be like, dude, you guys need to fucking create this like right now, um,

because then then you have a whole new atmosphere. You have a whole new gaming platform and a whole new way that people can like trade and get excited about their games again. You know, I don't give a shit about Pokemon cards anymore, but maybe I would if it was on my phone. Yeah, it's interesting to watch, um. You know I I love to study history and if you look at if you look at history, you can

kind of tell the future. And we can look at like how the music industry transformed and even the movie industry. So when the VCR first came out, Disney was super scared to let their movies go out on on on VCR or VHS because you know, how are the how are people gonna go to the movie theaters? And then within the music industry kind of the same way that whole deal over streaming music, Well, who's gonna buy the

albums anymore? But they always find a new way. And I see the video game industry in the same place today, which is well, if we don't keep people locked in how we make money. But I think the evolution is just like the music industry, they'll find another way. And uh, whoever jumps on it first, Like you're saying, I think it's gonna be the big winner there, agreed. Now, Um, you had made a comment a little while a little bit back where you said that maybe everyone should just

buy and hold bitcoin. Yeah, I mean yes, I mean I'm not a big bitcoin maximalist by any means, right, Like, I really believe that a lot of these companies have potential. I work with a lot of these companies, and it's not just potential of the idea and like the new implement implementation of technology, but it's the the potential of the people, you know. I think that's what changed for me a lot from two thousand seventeen, two eighteen to like now is the fact that I've been meeting these

companies in person. I've been talking to them face to face, and you get a whole different sense of what's going on when you talk to them. Besides, when you read a web white paper and look at a website, it's a completely different understanding of what they're trying to do. It's a completely different energy because you actually get to tell whether they're passionate about it or not. You actually get to see their emotions. Um, So what I'm getting as a by no means my bit bitcoin maximum list.

I do believe a lot of these have potential, but I also believe that if you stick to one specific project that's not Bitcoin, you say this is the future, you're gambling. You don't know that. No one knows that. Like I said earlier, like probably nine of these companies are going to fail. Um. And if you really believe in something that heavily like that's that's fucking commitment. I applaud you on that, But I just don't believe that anything is guaranteed to be a lot around for the

next ten years. Besides Bitcoin, Yeah, definitely, Well bitcoin has tenures of history, so the longer it's around them, more likely it will will continue to be around. And I would say, you know, again, the industry has changed and so um if people did want to get into these smaller plays, they need to understand the risks that are

there and they need to allocate their portfolios appropriately. So a bigger percentage should definitely be in the safer stuff like bitcoin and ethereum, and then make sure you know these moonshots that you're taking with the small companies are a small portion of a portion of your allocations, I agreed,

Would you agree with that? Ad? Agree it? I mean, I've definitely I've got probably more than I should in in some all coins you know, like I mean ten percent, you know what I mean, Like is in some some all coin plays ten that's some all coin plays that like,

I actually like have spoken with the teams, I've interviewed them. Um, I have spoken with the community, and based upon all these different factors that I've looked at, obviously the technology that they're attempting to build, based upon these different factors that I looked at, I can see like, wow, this has potential. Uh yeah, I might lose all this fucking money, but I'm willing to bet that amount of money that

they will do something cool. Now, you're obviously, as we talked about, you're on the move, you're out there, you're talking to these companies, you're meeting with these companies, you're even going to their facilities and meeting their teams. But the average person isn't able to do that. So, um, what kind of due diligence could somebody do on their own? I mean, the fact is the fact is, yeah, like one obviously read the website, white paper, blah blah blah.

But the fact is, like you should be able to contact almost every single CEO in this industry, unless you're like, unless it's Charles Hockinson or or someone like Justin's son, you know, you're not probably not gonna be able to get on a one on one phone call with them because they're freaking doing their own thing. They've already got big, big money and all this other stuff. But if you're talking about under top fifty coin, um, some even in the top fifty, you will be able to get these

people on the phone with you. Um, you just gotta like be persistent. You gotta go in there telegram. You've got to talk to their team members, asked the team Uh, if you can jump on a quick interview with them, you know you you you have to like ask, just ask and continue to ask, obviously without being a pesturing asshole, but you get you get the point, Like, this is

an accessible industry. These people are are not uh sitting there on a high chair with a billion dollar company at least yet, so you might you might as well do your best to get on conversation, to get on phone calls with these people. Yeah, it's your money, take it seriously, right, yeah, exactly, And if you're if you're like really serious about it, like go meet the company in person, like yes, yes, it's it's not gonna be free.

You know, I paid for almost I paid pretty much every single trip leading up to the end of two thousand and eighteen, and just now am I starting to get covered on some of my flights and expenses and accommodations um and still very rarely. But I paid for all of those times that I went to Shanghai to interview v Chain, to UH interview HPV, like all these

different major companies, I paid to go visit them. One because I wanted to learn more about what they were doing and things like that, but too because I knew it would provide value to the community, which was a whole of the topic. Was a unique proposition that I

took to to to build what I was building. But like, if you're really that passionate about UH, like v Chain, I'm sure that if you sent them an email or five emails or ten emails, eventually someone's gonna respond and say, yeah, sure, come over to Shanghai, meet us in person, have a tour of our office. Sure, Yeah, and if you're if you're going to invest enough money to make that worth it, then you definitely should consider that. Um yeah, good stuff,

all right? So, um, what's next for nine? Where where can people keep an eye on you? Where you're gonna be at? Um? I mean, I'm gonna be traveling a lot. I think I'm in like five ten, maybe fifteen more countries this year, so that'll be fun. Um yeah, but keep an eye out for a couple of things. Man, I got a couple of little I'm even gonna drop

stuff that people don't know about yet. So one thing that I've announced so far is I'm working on an app called coin Dust, which I'm really really excited about. Coin Dust is UH, it's it's investing your spare change in bitcoin and cryptocurrency, so in in my opinion, it's going to be the easiest way that you can stack SATs and UH and build up your long term bitcoin

portfolio without even thinking about it. So for example, you go to the store, UH, if you buy a water bottle for a dollar fifty, it's gonna take it's gonna charge two dollars and it's gonna take the extra fifty cents. It's gonna immediately invest it in bitcoin for you like like like acorns, but for crypto exactly, the same thing as acorns, but for crypto exactly. So I'm excited about that. I think it's a really cool concept. I'm excited to add that to my list of things that I'm building.

It's it's close, man. I think we'll have the first version the m v P released probably by September at the latest, probably October November. Awesome. Yes, So we're gonna start testing it, I think in late August beginning September, and hopefully get the first version out by the end of September. It is the goal, all right. Cool. Yeah, that's exciting. And then, um, this is something I have not announced yet, so you get I'll just share with you and with with boom, here we go. Um, I'm

making an app called bit maps as well. Bit Maps is pretty much going to be the weed Maps for cryptocurrency. It's gonna show you every single location where you can spend cryptocurrency, every location where you can uh find a bitcoin a t M and and buy cryptocurrency. Uh. And eventually we'll integrate events and other things into it. Um. But yeah, that's that's really the goal of bit maps. Dang. Yeah, And actually those are two good projects. Yeah, thank you man.

I'm excited about both of them. That that that one should be out in the next like two too and a half months hopefully. Um so it should be both releasing around the same time. Yeah, yeah, I like both of those. And and you know, uh what I what I what I like about both of those is like those are those are like real world use cases that people could use should use, right, And I think that's what the industry needs. That we don't need a faster

freaking protocol are at this point. And uh and you don't need any more you don't need me DPPs that like can download right now. I was always gonna say, like we don't we like, we don't need any more of these like quintness DAPs, like these are like real world things that people like I would use both of those, like I should use both of those, right, And so

that's what I like to see. Those are those are things that I would like to see more people thinking about and doing because I think that's what's really going to start pushing this space forward. Um yeah, man, I mean that's that's that's what I'm I'm an idea guy, right, I like to create ideas. I'm good at like marketing and things like that. But a matter of fact is there's a huge fucking uh barrier or even not even barrier.

It's just a huge gap between people that are in the crypto industry and people that want to get involved in the crypto industry. And there's nobody that's focused on building solutions to fill that gap or to create a

bridge for that gap. Uh. And that's what I'm really hoping that these two solutions do, as well as some other content that I have coming out, Like, I'm really hoping to bridge that gap, create better education, but really create a simpler on wrap, specifically with coin dust, create a simplest on ramp as possible for people to buy cryptocurrency and to own their part of their first bit coin. Yeah, yeah,

I love it. Alright, good, alright? Great? Well, um, so people, I'm sure now we're gonna want to keep up on that. Where's the best way? Just to follow you on Twitter? Yeah, follow me on Twitter. If you want to sign up for coin dust, you can uh one of the first people that will get it on the website, coin dust app dot com um. But yeah, man, just follow me on Twitter and you'll you'll see me tweeting about it all day, and of course check out his Involvement podcast.

If you're not already listening to that, Thank you, sir, I appreciate that. Yes, shout out to that as well. Great, all right, well, thanks so much for taking the time. Hopefully everybody got some good value out of it, and then we'll talk to you again soon. Hell yeah, brother, thank you. Hey. If you like this episode of The Market Disruptors Podcast, please help us take this to the top of the podcast charts. Just please do me a

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