Technology To Free Us With John McAfee

We have all types of people working behind alias is, animal accounts, and so forth. And the industry has not been short on characters in the space, and none of the characters are as big as the notorious John mccafee. John mccafee is famous for his anti virus software, which of course carries his name and is still one of the biggest anti virus softwares out there today. He's been in the cybersecurity space for a long time. Then if

anybody gets security cybersecurity technology, it's John mccafee again. His character here has been larger than life. He's had his own Netflix show kind of showing some of the stuff that he's done throughout his life. Um, he's been pretty notorious being outspoken against a lot of the oppression that we see from the government, the financial and the lack of privacy as we call it. He liked to say that we don't have privacy, we have to take it right,

we have to hide. And anyway, we sat down with John mccaffee, we jumped into a lot of these topics. He talked about the golden cage that we're in, and the keys that we have in our hand today, and so many other interesting topics as you might imagine talking to John mccafee. So it's a great conversation. Let's ahead and jump right into it. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. Today I am joined

by John mccaffee, who doesn't need a whole lot of introduction. Uh. He's uh, he's definitely been a big person in the space, talking a lot about the technology from a different perspective, and so I'm really happy to have you on. John, Welcome to the show. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate to having you having me Onlark. Yeah. So, um, as I said, you don't need a lot of introduction.

You've been a pretty pretty a pretty big person, a character in the space for sure, but maybe just for a few people that don't know, just kind of briefly tell us about kind of your perspective. How you got here, UM, what you know, what you've been working on? What you How you got here? Okay, all terms that we're here

is UM, Yeah, I got here. I got here. My political here technically because the twobjectory of my experience, which has been your computer technology, right, the first job had UM come perspective, UM pret cocon and say, I got here because one of my employees came to visit me and Belief and two pals men en uh bought the bitcoin. I read Dad immediately saw where this was headed. We've

gone so far since midcoin. I mean, you've gone so far in block chain um to include privacy, include smart contracts, and all the kinds of function now with you on the blockchain, so that one simple coin at one very um simplistic equation has expanded and blossom to an entire industry which is going to change the face of society, either for the better for the worst, depending on their army pocisions. Yeah, which I which I want to talk about.

That's an interesting conversation. But you've been kind of at the forefront of security. I mean, obviously mccafee anti virus. I got a brand new computer and it's like it's prompting me to update my mccafee antivirus. So you've kind of been at the forefront of that, UM and and maybe even with the life you've been living down in Belize and around the world and whatnot, you've been practicing privacy in your own life as well. So does that

give you like a unique person perspective? You know, are your world view has been shaped in a way to see you know, bitcoin in a different in a different way. Well, you're making assumption that we actually have privacy or privacy as possible in today's world. And I'm afraid that I have to say, as when I see the world, we have no privacy. What's over right is not possible. Um. You know what we have UM left, and that's only for the few like me, is the ability to hide.

In this conversation, I has been listened to by probably thirty different agencies and all trying to find where they am. UM. That lack of privacy, once I understand it is listening is easy to deal with. If my my aim is simply to avoid avoid discovered um, you know, I know enough about computer security that if I do, don't want

to be found. If draw it, trustpect you like. And even though as I said, this is not private and they listened to my structure and my layered network of virtual private networks and not the type you down from Google, I mean serious virtual words, multi layers. You just can't find me. Yeah, so two different things, you know. And that's the last thing we have left, and that's us to be to be hidden. But see to do that, like we don't have phones, we can't have phones. Obviously

these phones are the ultimate spy device. Everybody is listening watching. Yeah, I've seen just recently. Um, I forget which country, but they want to make it where in order to even buy a SIM card you have to do a facial recognition, like they won't even give you a SIM card without that. Yes, it's crazy, of course I know that. Why because our smartphones is how we are monitoring, controlled and surveillance by

our governments and institutions and regulatory about it. Um. And and if you have one, I promise you there is no software, hardware or anything you can do in the world. It will keep your life fine. I mean unless you put your phone in the freezer at night, shut the door and leading there because turning it off doesn't help. I mean you think you think it was actually turn off from the It's a software switch turns all the

power off to the lights and anything the grains. But it's still running for um, you know, chewing up a minimum amount running and con turn on the microphone and turn on the camera. They can continue to read what's happening, you know, an attempt to community Asian. Um. No, people,

She's yeah, it's it's definitely scary. And you know we know that because now the phones have Siri or Alexa or whatever they have, and so we know they're always listening because at any time we can just say hey Siri or hey Alexa, and I can instantly can instantly get it, so we know it's listening. Um. It reminds me Alexa, Alexa, and these things are just smoke screens to keep your attention away from the wheel spy Alexa. What happens Alexa? Does Alectualy get into your car with

you go to work? Does it go out with you on days? No? Does your phone? Yes? Right, your phone? People, It's not like it's not your TV that's listening to your conversations. You can walk out of the room, Hello, what's your phone? Yeah, I have an Android phone, so I have Google, so I can say okay Google and like it instantly comes on. It just did, so, like I know what you listening. But it reminds me of the quote from one of our forefathers, and I think

it's it's been misattributed either. Thomas Jefferson said that you know, those willing to give up safety for security deserve neither. And we're giving up safety or security for actually actually giving up. It's giving up um freedom for safety. I think that's what you're going to side, right, Yeah, and they deserve neither, right, So we're giving up, we're giving up our privacy, our security for convenience. Yes, absolutely, that's it an to do that. That's fine. I mean I

I still live in this world quite CONFU. Myew move is being monitor I simply choose my words. I put out enough disinformation that I'm still safe even though I'm watched. That we have to change our attitude to be living in this new AIDS. It's coming up. Yeah, And and it's a shame that most people have no idea why they need privacy. I hate to see people say, well, I have nothing to hide, so I don't need privacy.

We'll see that those people who say that has never looked at themselves, because there's not a human on this planet that does not. In every single meeting with every single person, UM used a set of privacy filters and an example. You buy something with the storage and you've never seen the checkout pork before. Do you say, Hi, I my mothers my brother's wife last night. I'm kind of worried about it. Do you know why you don't

we feel because it's private in that relationship. Yeah. Um, you know you you call into work and you're not really sick, but you want to play golf with your friends, and nothing really happening at work, and you tell you about you're playing golf. You might tell your friends and your friends find another Hey, your boss will lead you absolutely. What are you gonna tell your boss? So I lied

to you yesterday. Maybe people don't do those things, but I promise you every relationship that you have casual acquaintances, you might tell them where you live, don't do things about your life. Closer friends, you might tell them a lot your best friends. You might tell them everything, and the same thing with your spouse, but maybe not. Yeah. So I promise you, people you think you've got nothing to hide, it's high from whom for sake if you

take the entire world you got shipped to hide. Yeah, look at yourself, especially especially in today's world, more than ever, because the world is so polarizing today that no matter which side you're on, someone's gonna hate you. I'm pro life, well, people hate pro life. I'm pro choice, well, people hate pro choice right like I'm Republican. I'm like, no matter which side you're on, there's somebody opposing you, and so which is where? Which is? Which is where censorship eventually

comes from. If you're on both sides and I hate what you're saying, I wish you didn't say it. I wish I didn't have to see ship like that, that's okay. If if broth sides are really that's what. If you're an extremist group and you say something that both sides hate, suddenly censorship always comes in, and doesn't you're not allowed to say that. That's defensive to everybody. My own Chamus is showing me where someone had quoted saying, I I don't think uh, sex with children is bad. There's a

police sex with children when it's not consensual. That's a terrific statement, right, But does it make healing any way? Change your attitudes going oh oh, I think it's okay to have sex with children. No, we get angry. So what happens, nothing changes in the world. Be a fucking crime. What is the crime is that you suddenly hate the person who stated and believes what you hate. So now you hate that person. We want to censor them for what crime? The crime of being hated. He's got people.

That's what censorship is. Yeah, now I know, um you wanted to talk about or you wanted to come on the podcast and top because you don't like to be on mainstream media. Um and and we have this kind of alternative system. Now, the Internet is created, this alternative system for information where we could do something like this,

um and and reach a large audience. But then we have, you know, cryptocurrencies, which are creating an alternative system, maybe not just for money, which a lot of people think of money right now, but also a technology, as you mentioned, kind of to free us. Well, let's let's look through the example on how we are told looking financially, of course, and the the US doll or for example, if you in the U s which is the the legal tender, it's actually written on the dollar that this is everybody

must take it. Um. And so the the Fed can do whatever they want in terms of money supply, for example, all all the things that can buck you over, and let's say, increase to supply money which decreases the value of your harder and savings. And you think this hasn't having governments have done this to extremes, like like inflating, like in Germany. And the food is by a factor of ten, making all of your fruits of your labor worth while ten of what they used to do. You're

at the mercy. Not only that the far move more important, they said more and ten thousand dollars in cash. And you can't look from one computer another, I think you're a criminal. Um Why because they want all with your money flow to go to a channel that can be talented, monitored and controllable stopped. They want for example, and so um, this is the situation that we're in. And if you think that this doesn't make you a slave, let me say, if the person who owns or controls that money controls

everything in your life. You cannot pay the rent by a car, send your kids to school getting without it. What if we had our own controlled by nobody so that it cannot be an increase in supply or a decrease in supply, or a monitoring system to make sure that you're spending money in the way that the government approves. Are right? I think you see where we are people. So with cryptocurrency, we are freed from that completely. If we use privacy coins and decentralized exchanges, yam, governments can

eithern know what you're doing or stop what you're doing financially. Yeah. I that's how I've looked at bitcoin where it's it's like, for the first time in history, right, we have a way to hold our value that can't be seized or stolen. It can't be inflated or manipulated, and if I want to transfer it to you, it can't be stopped or blocked. We've never had that before. It's like a brand new technology.

You that's that's that that in itself is revolutionary. Yes, um, you know this whole thing with privacy and like me having my privacy and me having my own money, the government wanting to see everything I'm doing and invade my privacy and have control over my money. I'm at the end of the day. I mean, why do they want that? You think that's something sinister? I mean they want it. They want to see every detail because they want ultimate

control to maintain power. Of course, of course, well, knowing everything about a populace is the holy grail of dictatorship, because if you know everything about everybody, you can control

everything that they do. And so governments want control also of your finances, knowing exactly where every penny comes from, where every penny goes to, and because you must have that money to live, you must conford to what everyone rules they wish to apply to their any supply, like you can't send it to a ran not this year where we don't like them, um or what have you. And please give us of all the fruits of your labor, please, because we're to goddamn lazy to figure out how to

earn money. As that's a that's a that's that's being generous for them. Well, I'm trying to be all right, I mean, good God, all the money okay? In feudal societies, which we are in right now. If you think about the funeral societies, the defining characteristic was the king owned you and the land, and you were there at his leisure.

Every year, you're required to work two months for the king wherever he wanted to assign you and whatever he wanted you to do, build the castle, carry the stones, dig the ditch, or two months worth of the fruits of whatever your labor was. If you're a blacksmith, who're going to take horseshoes? If five percent of this and that, we're not trying two months worth of that. If you grew potatoes and group, you know whatever, we're gonna take

two months supply if your potatoes. Imagine the hardships. And yet today we work more. I don't think. So really, where are you? Well, I'm in California. So in addition to thirty percent top federal tax rate, we have a fourteen percent state income tax rate. Oh that's correct, that's right too. And now they changed too illegal. Yes, all right, you've got two illegal taxes on you. Imagine the people.

Half of the year of your labor goes to the government, which does not I promise you give you a half years of service in return. Right, But have you do you feel like, oh, I don't mind paying taxes. I get that much every year from the government. Well even worse than that, even worse than that, I object to how they're spending my money. Well don't we all? Yeah? I mean, you know, my heart goes out to you. Yeah. So I want to chase this down a little bit because, um,

it's something that I've been focused on. So again back to the technology to free us. So right now, we have this technology that seems to be enslaving us. Right so, as our phones, as you said, are spying on us, it's giving them the ultimate tool that they want. Um, we're seeing things like in China, which is you know, with the social credit scores and whatnot, where they're really you know, I've heard you know, millions of people are are limited from even traveling by bus now because of

social credit scores. And it's almost like this technology is going to give them, as you just said, the perfect tool for control. I mean that's kind of where this goes, right Well, yeah, yeah, here's our issue with technology. People. Up until the blockchain was created, all of the world

changing technologies like the ecomic the uh space rocket. These things came from where, from the bowels of some government research program, controlled by, monitored by and and motivating and oriented towards those things that the government once Um, so we're at the mercy of technology, even computer technology. When I say government, I mean government slash industry. There's not much difference anymore. Big industry, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, at Samsung,

these are the big industries, are very little difference. And saying they operate the same secretive when they're developing, why I have to be you know what your competitors knowing what you're doing. And we know the CIA and the government is in Silicon Valley working with these companies, pardon, and we know that the c i A. The government is in Silicon When I say the government, I really should say the CIA. And there's no difference on the

CIA is the controlling factor in America. So so yeah. So, But for the first time, the blockchain, which if you do not think it is really changing, please look at it came from the people, a group of less than ten right geeky um uh programmer slash developers who came up over a period of years with the idea and the code for the blockchain and the first application for it, which on bitcoin. UM. It's from the people, and we now for the first time in a hundred years, are

in the leading edge. We develop privacy coins. Governments are just now noticing the good God, we've got a problem with critical currency. We'd better find out about it. We developed UM, the smart contracts. We developed things which are truly anti government, things that the people can use so that they don't need a government. You don't need a government to back a dollar when you've already got more narrow privacy coin or some other or d ai the

stable coin which is paid to the dollar. So who cares? So do you understand where what governments lose? They lose their financial control over the populace. And if they lose financial control, they lose all control. Now isn't this how it should be? For fox sake? Is the government's supposed to be there to control us? Where is it to be there to serve us? As I understand our fucking constitution,

its purpose is to serve. You take job, sometimes unwillingly, but you're the best for it, get paid, do your duty, and come home. Thank God, that's over. I hated being president. I'm sure that George was George Washington did not want to be president. They had to drag is sorry as kicking and screaming. And I'm sure after his term he is going. Good God, I'm glad that's over. That was my sacrifice for my country. Now what of people do it for a job that pays two d and fifty

dollars a year. They paid twenty million dollars to get it? Use of logic? People, where's the common sense voting for these pricks? It doesn't matter to go No, it's not his money. It's the money off his backers, his campaign to donate whatever. Who gives a funk whose money it is it's being spent to put this prick in that chip? Are you crazy? You're actual vote for that person? No, I want to vote for the person going. I don't want to do it. No, you're the best man. It's

your duty to do it. It's a sacrifice. If you don't do it, we want to shoot you. That's who I want to for. Yeah, and like any any any company, you know we talked about, you know, these big tech companies, but any company really, in order to have a good company, you have to build this company culture. Um, and it really starts from the top. And as you said, like with with George Washington, like they came here sacrificing their life to lead a country, sacrificing for few generations. But

today the leaders are not sacrificing anything. They're all out there to enrich themselves personally, and that sets the culture for the whole country. It can't be. We can't have that culture as a government. Please, people like, I mean, it can't continue. Yeah, we really get this far. But now that it's gotten as far, just take a look at it. It's not what we intended, what we wanted. No, it's not what we wanted, and certainly we're not what we need. So this has got to change. And who's

changing you? The government's not going to change itself no matter how much we yell and shout. So give us more entertainment to keep us, I don't know, from being war started war or something. No, wake up and look at it. He put these idiots and opposite people paying money to get a fucking job next to nothing. What's wrong with this picture? Please? Like like time to we

have time for one more question, my friend. Okay, So we have the we have the technology that's working to enslave us, and now we have the technology that can free us. So we have this race which one wins, right, So is that how you see it? Like a race? Like the people need to adopt this technology at a faster rate in order to we need to talk to the faster rate. We need to stop looking at it as a way to get which quick because that's a

proved version of the intent of this. You know you're you've been given a golden key to unlock your cage, as you're using it to scratch your back instead of people. What we need is to use this now people are trust me, I do tens of thousands, horrible everybody. We must use this. We must see the beauty of the system, the efficiency house easy simple. I want to wire money to Europe. I don't have to get out of bed,

go to the bank. Fill up form is gonna stamp its approvals And he said, no, I'm sorry, it's too it wrong, we can't send it there. But no, you'd stay in bed and you do a copy in a paste and an amount press sand and go back to watching television. And it's your control. Nobody controlled that but you.

And if you're using a privacy coin. Nobody sees it but you nor can anybody abserve, so that if you do not want and still don't, I mean, you know, I'm not I'm not saying people don't pay taxes, but if you are looking for a way not too, and you realize the absolute illegality of it, they use privacy coins and distributed exchanges, and it will come down to your word against the governments because they won't know ship.

It will be totally in your head. And if you choose to reveal it, please do so and fill out the W two form completely every penny. I'm not saying don't do that, but if you don't want to do that, then please here's how not to do that. No, there will be no record anywhere on this planet. It is readable that can be connected to you for any income or any expense. And this is what terrifies governments people. This is why they are going to come down hard

on us and soon be bright. They came down on us for smoking weeds seventy five goddamn years in American seventy five years you may not smoke weed, and in some cases with ten to twenty years in prison just from mere possession of an ounce of and what happened, we nothing changed. We It's called civil disobedience. We civilly disobeyed and continue to put into our bodies because we

thought incorrectly. I guess that our body belongs to us and and not to a government, and therefore if I want to put something in it, and God damn, I will do so. And those people civilly disobeyed because civil disobedience is the most powerful tool of change. But I've been doing civil disobedience with my taxes for ten years, yeah, eight of which they never bothered me. I'm in America. I just send an email. Ever here I'm not. I'm not finally informed this year you know where I lived.

He never came after paid over fifty million dollars in taxes. It's enough, people, it's enough. I stopped two years ago when I go on the national stage with all of the block chain conferences, that the conferences, the crypto conferences, um and speaking about just what I'm telling you now, I don't want to pay taxes to do this. Suddenly the r S is not likely. And in January this year, Jannously, they continued the grand jury to charge the Janis, myself

and four of our associates with unspecified tax fraud. Well, because I am John McAfee, I found out in advance and we left the country. This is how I have to live in order to be civilly disobedient in my own country because by not filing a tax return, which is not an illegal act. Do you understand? The illegal

act is find one and lying exactly? If you don't file the RT, risk has the right to just come in and take your house, your car and everything, and then you have to you have to sue to get it back to prove that you shouldn't owe that much. They've always had that option and never excellent right me alone because I left them. But when I started talking about you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, amount of time

I wish we could don't. Okay, Well that's good. Well, I I appreciate you taking the time, and uh like, like you said, let's use the key to unlock the cage. Right, so we'll push for mass adoption and build this alternative system. Take take the power away and and all right, thank you thanks so much. By hey, if you this episode of the Market Disruptors podcast, please help us take this to the top of the podcast charts. Just please do

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