Mark and Nick Tartaglia Talk Sovereignty

same as the world that we're leaving behind. And I like to look at it through the lens of politics, finance, and technology to make sense, to make context of what's going on, but of course, more importantly, to understand what we should be doing to stay ahead of this, to survive and thrive this, and of course technology, This is the thing that changes the world, changes the way that we organize, and that technology that I like to focus

on right now is the decentralizing and technology of bitcoin. Now, I like to bring to you some new education to help you think through things differently, to understand things differently, hopefully more critically, of the information that we get, some of the latest breaking news headlines so you know what's going on, and of course some interesting guests that you don't have to listen to my opinion all the time. And that's what I have for you today. I am

in the studio with Nick Tartaglia. He is a host of a podcast called New gen Mindset Pod. You should check it out. But Nick, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it. Happy to be here. Nick. You were explaining to me that your podcast, New Generational Mindset focuses on two things, wealth and sovereignty, and I want to break those down. I like to use the word sovereignty a lot. I use financial sovereignty a lot because I think it's pretty self descriptive. But a lot of people

may don't understand what it is. So let's break that down first if we can. So, what does sovereignty mean? So if I look at it from my standpoint or I go back to the traditional meaning from the classical liberalism, probably a period of time. Sovereignty from me is a natural perspective that I am responsible entirely from my own pursuits, in my own outcome in life. I wish not to delegate that task to any state or other individual. I want to be responsible for the way I end my

life in this world. So I need to build wealth. I need to build relationships and networks in order to ensure that my sovereignty is protected and sustain in this world. And that's how I see. It's from an individual standpoint. It doesn't require the collective, although the collective can help maintain its individual sovereignty. But sovereignty is an individual pursuit.

And how what can I do or what actions can I put forth in order to ensure that I do not need to delegate my responsibility or for my life to anybody else? Do you think that's a spectrum? I mean, to be truly sovereign? Does that mean then you have to make your own clothes? So yes, I exactly what

you mean. Now. So when I take the meaning of sovereignty, I take it more from an I take more of it from a standpoint that I am willing to do what I need to do for myself, but I'm willing to delegate certain tasks that others can do more optimally than me. But where I do not believe that is the cases in terms of my finances and my wealth.

That is something that I will not delegate nor wish to delegate, because to control my wealth or my finances is to control my abilities to eat, to my ability to save, to retire, to go anywhere I want, or to buy any asset class I wish. So in terms of everything else, of course I'm dependent on others in a collective because it requires me to delegate certain responsive or certain tasks in order to optimize my own pursuits. But specifically in terms of finances and wealth, that is

something that is that is not somebody else's responsibility. So when you talk about delegating things like making clothes or growing food or something like that, like it's okay to designate that or delegate that out to somebody else because they're not controlling me through that. Exactly, if I want to buy clothes from this person, that person has no

control over me because I was supposed to. You still have options, and you still have optionality, and worst case, you hire someone to make it, you go somewhere else, you go online, you shop elsewhere. There are options. But the more you remove those options, the more self reliant you become. So yeah, control would be a huge component.

Those are things that you cannot truly control my sovereignty through those things, So then you're basically wanting to sovereignty would be I like to think of actually one of my favorite authors, Fahyak, his seminal book he wrote which is the constitution of liberty, and in that book he defined liberty as freedom from coercion. Freedom from coercion, that

would be liberty. I like that definition, So freedom from any constraint that would hold me back from being able to choose the direction that I want to lose, that lie, as long as I don't peed on somebody else's life, let me live the life that I can to the best and the fullest I can. And you think controling your money is the best way to it's one of you know, my relationship. My money determines that the way I can plan for my future, the type of assets I can purchase, the people I can how I can

take care of my family and friends around me. And so you know, to delegate that responsibly is simply saying that, well, others now have control over your life and your future, because if they lose it, if they mismanage it, if they misallocate it, if they waste it, well you are

dependent on that, on those dynamics. So if you're going to create a sovereignty as an individual, if you want to become more financially responsible for yourself, you know it requires a level of level of growth in order to understand the world you're in in order to make sure you allocate your capital properly and that you mitigate your risks by understanding the Mac rule, the Mac world in

which you operate. From an American to a Canadian here, you're a Canadian, right born reads the more so from a Canadian to an American here. Obviously, the entire world was massively impacted by the pandemic massively, and you know, many parts of the world might have been more free during that period of time than the United States, which is supposedly the land of the Free. How Ever, Canada seemed to try to be on par with North Korea pretty much. We have, you know, your prime dictator Justin

Trudeau on video. I've used clips of him praising China and praising their communism because it allows them to do things he's not able to do. We obviously saw him taking actions that were basically on par with China. So how how does it work trying to remain a sovereign individual under some sort of like a regime or a political environment like that. So personally for me, as he goes like during the the pandemic and that whole period of time, you know, we were locked down. We can

go out after a period of time. We can go out after eight pm, we can see people. A lot of it was just you know, being locked up and just indulging the internet and online. So for me, the biggest way to kind of maintain my sovereignty or to strengthen it was to kind of focus on my intellectual development. So podcasting was a huge interesting because on a weekly basis, I got to have incredible conversations with people around the world.

I got to watch and observe market forces at a level I've never seen before because by again, we spent hours just watching the world move and clash and behave. And I got to start writing a lot more. And that that heavily helped me develop my ability to articulate and observe things at a deeper level than I did before. So it was more or it's more about currently an intellectual developmental process because of the fact that it you know, you have inflation rampaging here. There's not many ways to

protect your wealth. Taxes are growing up here. So if I can still focus on building my intellect and building relationships externally of this environment, I can still find a way to maintain or protect my sovereignty down the line, and then the process, of course is still making sure I allocate to an extent certain capital, you know, on certain play asset classes that can help me get out of this situation, whether I leave or stay. Although granted

I'd rather leave this country. But so these are type of things that I'm starting to focus on, you know, making sure which asked classes. I'm going to focus on my writing and my intellectual development, and those things help me feel more secure in my sovereignty. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Moa show, We're

sitting down with Nick Tartaglia. We're talking about wealth, we're talking about sovereignty, and we're going to get some ideas of what you can do to increase both of those things. You know, I want to come back to the point about wealth and money specifically, because without wealth and money, you're currentstrained by your circumstances. So you're not constrained by people, but you're constrained by your circumstances, and so that's a

different type of tyranny that most people don't consider. So we'll come back to that. If you're just tune in, like I said, you're listening to the markma Show talking with Nick Tartaglia. We're talking about, of course, each and every week, the decentralized revolution, the way the world is changing, and you need to be on top of this because if it's changing, you need to be changing. To be back with a whole lot more in a minute, you don't want to miss it, So don't go away, we'll

be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. We're talking about, of course, each and every week, the decentralized Revolution. But this week I am in the studio with Nick Tartaglia and we're talking about wealth, sovereignty and living under the Canadian regime. We're talking about that for a minute

and the going back to that for a minute. So you lived under under that, like I said, from the US, looking up, I was like dang, Like both Canada and Australia, I'm like, man, why would you stay there? Why would you live under that when you don't have to? Why why would anybody choose to live under that when they could go somewhere else? Right now, I think you highlighted that part of that in that last question before we took the breaks, I want to dig into that a

little bit. So while that happened, you were locked down, you couldn't even your house. You chose to work on your writing, your intellect and building up that some relationships, podcasting. I want to come back to that. But basically the point was is that you weren't really able to leave that environment and go to a different environment because you didn't have the resources to do that. So without wealth, without money, without the ability to spend or use your money,

you don't actually have any freedom. Yeah, like I was saying before we went on the break, you know, I look at like freedom and like freedom is freedom from both in any type of circumstance that would prevent you from making a decision that you want to make. And so obviously a person, so you can have tyranny of government, right, a person could prevent you from doing something that you want. But also just your own circumstance could be tyranny of health.

Right your health doesn't allow you to do that, it could, which is why we say health is wealth. Could also be tyranny of your own wealth, meaning or lack thereof right. So I don't have the money to travel. I don't have the money to move. I don't have the money to buy a passport. I don't have the money to do whatever. Right, So is that some of I mean,

did I frame that up? That kind of how you look at that, because you know, like as a human being who believes to be, who wants or wants to believe in the idea of sovereignty as an individual thing is a lot of governments, or a lot of states,

or a lot of people. They always talk about the sovereignty of a nation, but the sovereignty of a nation as a whole just means that those or at the center, the central authority who dictates or controls that ecosystem or that society, it has its own sovereignty to do what it wants. That's not how it perceives sovereignty. It's not at a collective level sovereignty. It's an individual level. So the way I see it is that I'm not I do not want to dictate my life based on man

made laws. I want to dictate my life based on natural laws and natural circumstances that I need to mitigate and circumvent. In order to do that, I need to understand the parameters and the dynamics that allowed me to thrive in this reality. And regardless of what, regardless of which ecosystem I am born or raised in, or live in, I must understand it in order to thrive in it. And if I cannot thrive in it, then I must change my circumstances. In order to do that, I must

understand how to do so. And that's where the intellectual process comes in. You have to understand your the world around you, or else there's no development should that point that you're talking about. I just put on Twitter earlier today, an hour or two ago. If you're not following me on Twitter, you should just at one Mark Moss. But I put a quote from Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty one

inaugural address. So he was this is January of eighty one, he was being brought in as President of the United States, and he said something that's that's used a lot. I I was looking up this quote, which is government's not the solution, Government's the problem. But I was trying to

find what's the context that he's staying that under. So I went and looked up the whole speech and I read it and I clipped himtuff out of there, But he was talking about inflation at the time, and he was saying, the inflation is not fixed by the government,

it's caused by by the government. But what he said, as he said, from time to time, we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self rule, and that government by an elite group is superior to government for by and of the people. So kind of to your point, we're not sovereign individuals, the government sovereign to do what they want. We're not sovereign sovereign and so he was addressing that in this

address here in nineteen eighty one. We've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by individuals. It's too complex, he said, you should not We don't need to learn, we don't need to understand. Delegate that task as somebody else, and your sovereignty will will be protected because you have a sovereign nation of

a central authority who knows best. Yeah, And then he goes on to say, but if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern something else, get your own bed in order. It's just like boom, yes, exactly, like none of us are smart enough to do this on our own, so then you're smart enough exactly. You forget that the central authorities there are also human beings. There are no

different than any one of us. The only thing is we seem to assume that the moment the enter that social entity, which is the government, which is no different than any other social entity, that automatically it assumes the responsibility to no best and to do what's best, and that regardless of what it does, it holds no accountability, and that it is the only thing that bestows upon us the reality of the economy, which again is a fallacy, since the economy is here regardless of whether the state

exists or not. It is a natural reality given to us. Therefore, it is up to you to ensure your own outcome, and that's where the sovereignty comes in. So now let's go back to what you said. You know, you were in lockdown down, you couldn't leave unfortunately, so you decided to pour into your own self and to build up your own tool kit, right, your own skill set. Why

did you choose that, like why is that? Why? Because I was someone I always enjoyed going out and talking to people and being around people and having conversations and just you know, being outside and doing stuff. I didn't like sitting down and doing nothing. And the moment I was put in that environment, I felt as if I was going to be very unproductive and it was going

to waste a lot of my time. And again, if you go back to the classical princes of principles of a lot of Austrians and classical economists, a lot of things like there's nothing more permanent to temporary government programs, and you know, whenever the government takes control, it has a hard time letting go. So in my mind when all this was going down, I was like, I don't think this is gonna last two weeks, as they said. I don't think it's gonna last a couple of months.

I think this is going to be something that's gonna be reoccurring for a long period of time. And so that was bothering me heavily mentally and intellectually. So I said I needed to find a way to put my energy into something else that never did before. And the only thing I could think of was starting to write.

So I started writing blogs from my podcast and that turned into writing one book on system dynamics and trying to understand the world I was in and trying to understand the problems heading our way as a millennial who's looking ahead. And then after I decided to write another book after going down kind of like an Austrian rabbit hole, an economic rabbit hole on economics, to kind of continue the work of those guys of the Austrians and everything. And I thought it was the only solution because I

didn't want to feel unproductive. Just watching TV for two years is doing nothing. I thought I was gonna be the biggest waste of my life. So I wanted to be something. I wanted to be proud of myself, regardless of the situation I was in. Yeah, so I mean it was I was definitely about being productive to me from the outside looking in. And that's why I was asking the question, is it's like what you also did, though, is you increased your knowledge, which also increased your skills

or your skill set. And the more skills you have, the more knowledge you have, potentially the more sovereign you can be because now you have tools and skills that can allow you to make income remotely or lockdown or something like that, as opposed to you didn't have those skills before. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the markmas Show talking about the Decentralized Revolution and how

to become more sovereign. With Nick Tartaglia, we're talking about how to deal with with with tyranny, how to become more sovereign. We got a whole lot more to cover, and we come back. Don't go away. I'm gonna be right back, all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark Moas Show. We're talking about the decentralized Revolution each and every week, of course, and I'm in the studio with Nick Tartaglia. We're talking about

dealing with tyranny and becoming more sovereign. So, yeah, you increase your skills, you increase your knowledge, and now you have more knowledge and you have more skills to go create money, whether that be podcasting or writing writing books, writing blogs. I mean, there's so many things that you could do with that, which I think is which I think is super important. It's one thing that I see, you know, so many people. They take this victim mentality

where it's like, oh, what can I do? The States is going to do do whatever they want with me, have their way with me, and I'm just in my house and I can't do anything, so I might as well just eat Cheetos and watch Netflix or something. Valy, I don't know if you have that in again, Oh, I mean during you saw during Canada here we were locking down gems, but we had here, ironically, because I live in Quebec. So let's say, let's I'm gonna contextualize

specifically in my province. So the place that I live in the state controls the liquor stores, controls the marijuana stores, controls the gambling. But they locked down the gems and they left everything else open. So you had to rise in alcohol consumption, rise in drug consumption rise, and gambling. You had all those all while people are isolated, and by default humans are social animals. They're not isolated animals

that live alone. They thrive in social environments. So we restricted our natural mechanics as human beings, and we fed the ourselves all kinds of stimulants and distractions, all while believing it was the natural given right of the state to do this. So I think we've we've been on this trend for a long time, and I think we're starting to see most people, or a lot of people anyway, are starting to see how dangerous these ideas are and

we give the state this much power. I guess two part question kind of one do you see do you see like maybe in Canada, maybe in some of the harsher areas of Canada, was this like a maybe a waking up moment for a lot of people. So if if the way I see it is, I think, well one Alberta is one example where I think they've kind of woken up because you have the new premier there.

Her name is Danielle and she's been a real go getter who's been getting a lot of tension and fighting back against what the liberal government's been doing at a federal level. And then even from myself here, I've noticed a lot of people will have started to regret their submission to these forces and starting to question why it is that, why it is that their life is so void of dignity whenever the government tells them what to do. And there's a lot of more curiosity, people willing to

have a conversation. Before people were afraid to have those conversations. But it's become more open. Well, I mean to a certain extent again, because you have a lot of like March Show for example, where I'm from, there's a lot of liberals, or you can go through the schooling system. They've been shut down left and right because of protests

and for liberal progressive purposes. But there is a force that's starting to understand and wake up that there's there's this is not normal, and that if this cycle continues, that their future in this country is very hard to imagine, like it is for myself. It's very hard to imagine it here. So I'm trying to find a way to get out. So I mean you think get out, get out and save yourself rather than stay in fight. Yeah,

you see, I would love that idea. But then the way I see it is there's a point of no return at a certain point. That's how one two. I have to I also believe that Canada is very susceptible in terms of the way it behaves based on America. So if America doesn't shift, I think Canada is permanently finished.

Because Canadas is heavily depending on what America does. So if the left or the progressive narrative dominates and continues to hold force, Canada and its governments have plenty of power to do so because there's no counterforce to it. We're not We're like the little brother, the little sister to America. That's how I see it. So on left, we have someone to show us the way out. I think Canada is too dossed out to find its own

way out. I want to be somebody to help and fight, but I also have to take care of myself and those around me. So there is a point where I say it's to be it, where we reached a point of no return, and that I will try to do what I can elsewhere while trying to help because I don't want to be But how much how much further can Canada take it? I mean, Canada's got no money, they got gold. I mean they're broke, they are, I mean, their institutions are caving in, Like I mean, how much

further again? People? I mean people still believe in the delusion. They just took away gun rights, well, the ability to purchase guns, and people thought like everything they're doing, people find a reason to agree or to just say this is what it's part being of a society like that. What does what does that mean? Did they take away the ability to buy and buy, sell transfer guns but not own them. So so if you already own them, but you just can't sell them exactly, you can still own.

You can still own if you've purchased. Is it is it all guns or just handguns or just right now it's only handguns that they were going down for, but now they're trying to get into hunting guns. But that was just they backed out on that one because the Conservatives were being a little aggressive on them. They just backed down, I think about a week or two ago.

But they have the momentum because they keep doing what they want and even the conservative side, like from I just don't like politicians in general or the politics because I find it's just it's a lot of the time and inefficient game. They're not actually solving any economic problems. They're just trying to be the hero to any special

interest group. So um, you know, it's hard to see Canada coming out of this positively since you know, like you said, we have no gold, we have all we running on debt, Trudeau in this last four in this entire terms, has incurred more debt on behalf of Canada for bea Canada, more than all the combined premiers in Canadian history. So you know, it's just a downward effect

of that's expanding exponentially. Now you're you know, one of the things that you like to study and talk about is free markets and comparing free markets to socialism and commonism exacts like that. Why why do you think a free market is favorable or better than a socialism one?

I think that it is, by the natural law, the only environment by which sovereignty could be honored, whereby individual consciousness can evolve and grow, where by individuals can feel dignity and purpose, whereby we can make meaning to our own lives without having to feel confined or caged or feel safe and become a meaningless variable in the time

of history. So free markets, to me is merely a reflection of human behat or if I look at any kind of economic system, it's merely a reflection of individual behaviors. Socialism is like a paternal relationship. It's all about your safety,

doing what's well for you. But there is no room to grow as an individual in that space, free market is the only place where by trial and error makes sense, where boom boom and bus cycles can lead to growth and innovation, where you can mitigate past errors because you

understand them and you can learn from them. If you are an environment where there's constant a delegation of responsibility, delegation of learning, delegation of actions that need to be taken to a central authority, the market itself of individuals, which is where you create prosperity as a collective, cannot grow, cannot evolve, cannot innovate, it cannot build its way out of it, and cannot do it in a way that's

sustainable for each generation after itself. So if the free market, which I would agree is is so much of a better system than socialism, communism can outcompete it, I believe it can if it is given the space to compete, I just but the thing is, there's so many forces, primal forces that are against it. You have the educational system that's against it. You have the tech industry that's

against it. You have the government that's against it. You have military organization, military and police organizations that are against it. So it starts I mean given in free market system, it all takes. It's about empowering the individual so it can compete with it if the individual, or enough individuals are empowered to understand that, if they themselves do not stand up and fight back, there won't be no free market for them to thrive in or to produce their

own outcome. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the markmas Show. We talked about the Decentralized Revolution EA share every week. I'm in the studio with Nick Tartaglia. We're talking about sovereignty, we're talking about wealth. Now we're getting into free markets versus socialism and communism, and we'll come back out on the other side. We got a lot more to cover in this last segment. You don't

want to miss it. If we're gonna take a short break and we're right back talking about communism, socialism, free markets and if they can win. I tend to think again, So we'll find out. We're back with all that and more in a minute. Don't go away, I'll be right back, all right, Welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. I'm in the studio with Nick Tartaglia. We're talking about sovereignty and wealth and Canada and tyranny and free markets and so much more.

And I was asking the question about if if you think free markets could out compete a command economy, socialism, communist etc. And you said that you, you know, only if it's given a chance to compete, because wise with politics, they can just crowd it out. And that seems to be what big government, big businesses are doing. But the problem is that those models they're built off of don't work. So don't we just naturally outcompete them because they just

crash on their own? Yes, I agree, but then I also have to So then what I would do is I also overlap the whole. So there's a saying that says, you know, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, soft man soft men create hard times. And then the question becomes which peer to that economic cycle are react in relation to which weighted behaviors are dominant in the ecosystem. So the state can thrive because of

the fact that a lot of people are ignorant. So like when I heard you talking back in the Rick conference, you were talking about the parallel economy where people can find ways to compete by the same kind of products by providing a different set of values and conditions to the market, adding value in a different way. Well, that is elevating their their consciousness understanding that they can compete, but they take they have to take it in their own hands. So when I say it has to be given,

we need the opportunity to compete. By that, I mean simply solving the issue of ignorance. People need to be aware that it's up to them to make this happen. And if they want to delicate, like if they say, well, I want to be free, I want sovereignty, I want wealth, but I'm not going to do it myself or I need someone else to do it first, Well, then I want to I want to do it myself. But you know, so that's the point is we all want it, but

nobody seems to want to do it. So for me, it's a matter of aligning the actions with the intent, and there's a gap there. And that ignorance is where the state dominates, because if we're ignorant and we don't do it ourselves, then the state can keep pushing down on us. Yeah, well, and the state controls all the exhaustion, so they are separhand. Yeah, you know, it's interesting where to your point, I think most people just don't want

the responsibility that comes with it. And if you look at there was a doctor Desmond mate As he did the work on the mass formation psychosis, and he talks about how in this mass formation psychosis where the masses basically go along with this whole thing, he talks about how there's thirty percent of the people at the top that are just going to go along with that, and there's thirty percent of people at the bottom that are always going to resist that, and there's the forty percent

in the middle. And like that's what's up for grabs kind of a thing, right, like which side do they get influenced by? And I think maybe not the exact same numbers, but but similar in life, we can see that the masses don't know what they want, the masses don't even care, and the masses are not willing to put out any effort to learn or to improve, and so really the world is being driven by the edges and we can see that, right, I mean, I see in Canada, you guys are doing like a legal legal suicide.

So they're putting that for veterans because I guess the way they argue is it's easier to just give them an easy way out than I actually care and provide the real value. But the thing is, when has government ever been an efficient entity to solve any kind of socioeconomic problem. It never really has. But yet as a culture, we delegate those tasks to it. So at the end of finding easier ways to just solve those problems, you know what, we can't seem to do anything. People are

begging for it, So let's just give it to them. Now. They're talking about lowering it down to kids as young as twelve, I think, and then doing it like with no like parental approval. And I think about that, and we have plenty of other stupid and sick policies here in the United States as well, transitioning kids without parent approval, et cetera. And I just think, like, what percentage of

the people want that? Like, come on, really, like what percentage of the population really wants to see men go compete in women's sports? Like, like, nobody really wants that, right, It's being driven by the agents, but people are free and so whiles while that's on one side is discouraging, it's also encouraging. We don't need them asses, no exactly here,

so we only need we only need. As one of the United States founding father said, Samuel Adams, it doesn't take a majority to prevail, rather a small, irate minority. And so we see, you know, things in the grocery store, the kosher and the gluten free and the organic. It wasn't everybody that wanted those things. It was a small group. So we don't have to convince the world, right, we

just have to get a small group of people. As that kind of the thing is if you give the right if you give the right circumstances and conditions to certain people, or you give them the space to do what they need, or you evolve their ability to understand the realm they're in, you can empower them in a way that will make them understand why they need to set fourth actions that ripple throughout the ecosystem, positive energy from an economic standpoint, that changes the path on which

we're on. Because if you don't, because at the end of the day, if you empower the individual by default, you end up empowering everybody else because you know it's like a team. You are as weak as your weakest link. If you empower the weakest person in your society to be independent, to thrive on it, to or figure out a way to thrive on their own, then they will be a force to reckon with. And then you feel that energy. You can feel that that desire to thrive

and to be purposeful. They become more like a lion rather than as sheep, and then you, everybody else around you gets that same energy in that vibe. Okay, I need to be like that too. Yeah. Do you think it's something though? Where Like most people are just going to continue in the path that they're on until the pain gets high enough that they're forced to change. Like I use the example all the time. Like I grew up going to chiropractors. I believe in in chiropractic. I

believe that our spines should be in alignment. I believe all those things. But like I don't really go unless I'm in a lot of pain and the pain has to be high enough to be to clear out some of my schedule. Otherwise I'm too busy. Change or drug addicts right, like they don't they don't want to go to rehab until they hit rock bottom, which is usually more of a rock bottom than most of us would would put up with. So like you think that's the case for most I do. I do a lot of people.

A lot of people are too safe or secure, or they're too stuck in a routine, or they're too afraid of respond. I know there's a saying I feel who it's by. One of the greatest fear of mankind is responsibility or self responsibility. To be responsible as a scary thing because it says that if something goes wrong where you fail or whatever, it is on you. It is not on anybody else. It is because of you. But the thing is, through failure, you learn, through the learning process,

you build your consciousness. The thing is, we thrive in an environment where people are are fueled or empowered because people are weak. So your weakness empowers me to tell you what to do. So I you know, I think that is a part of it. It's it's sad what it now now, But what kind of like we're saying we don't need the masses, we don't need the majority, we just need the small, irate minority. So you're in a younger generation, how do you see the younger generation

responding to this. Do you think we'll get enough of the minority to get irate about this and push back on the edges. Do you feel positive about that. I'm in the middle of this because I haven't been able to contextualize the force of it yet in the sense that it depends on whether you're looking at a province, whether you're in Canada or the state United States, how

much force they push back. Because the way I see is like in game theory, you have different pieces on the board, and now the question becomes which entity, or which collective entity of individuals is able to force or push back or mitigate its primal threats. Now, the collective hysteria of you know, of the left or progressive, or of those that like to abated the state or the politicians,

and they are the dominant force. But the thing is the opposing force is too afraid to speak up, are too afraid of the backlash, or too afraid to speak their mind, so they do not create a counterforce to the other side. And the other side is very emotionally intellectually weak. They just have the crowd. But the thing is, the moment you have a select few of individuals are strong enough to oppose them, or push back or make them understand that they are a primal force. There's something

to come of it. But the younger generations, they're we're not leaders at least I don't see them as leaders yet because of the fact that we're born in this environment that's very privileged, especially from a Western perspective. We're very privileged with what we have, but we also like to complain about everything. Even though we're extremely privileged. I don't think it's in us to do it because we don't have role models anymore, or at least there are some,

but we just don't know where to find them. So I think there's that kind of gap in the marketplace to see that shift occur. We'll take that as a challenge everybody. We got to wrap this up. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Moss show Up and in the Studio with Nick Tartaglia talking about the decentralized revolution and how we can push back on this. You can find them on Instagram at Nick Tartaglia will link it in the show's below. That's what we got today.

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