Mark and John Bush on Bitcoin, Tyranny, and Everything Else in Between

And you know, I try to bring to you some you know, new stories to kind of change the way you see things, and some some of the latest breaking news of the week, and some interesting guests. And I have somebody um in the studio with me today, and that is somebody who has been living this decentralized life for a long period of time, longer than me, and actively building out the parallel economy, something I've been talking about over and over and over, and that is John Bush.

He's the founder of the Live Free Academy, co producer of an event called the Greater Reset, which I'll actually be speaking at UM in Austin next weekend. And he's also the co founder of the Freedom Selling Network, with has over thirty five thousand freedom lovers working together and opting out of the system and building this parallel economy. Of course, Um last week I did a whole segment on the parallel economy, what it is, how important it is, how we do it, how we use it, how how

we build it, etcetera. If you miss that, go back and listen to the episodes. You get the whole reference on what that is. We'll be talking about it more now and of course you can find that on my YouTube channel, Market Disruptors, or on on the podcast just search Market Moss podcast. But anyway, John, thanks so much for joining me today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah. Man,

So you know what cool work you're doing. You know, I talked about um quite often, how you know, the world scary and it's uncertain, and a lot of people are feeling demoralized. I think that's intentionally done so people don't want to act, and so people are like, well what why even bother? What can I do? And and I'm constantly just you know, virtually wanting to like slap people across the face and be like, come on, man, you're not a victim, Like build the world you want.

That's kind of what I say all the time, and that that's basically what you're doing right, I mean, you're you're helping organized people to go do something right, go build the world they want. I mean, is that kind of how you see it or what you're doing. Yeah, for the most part, that sums it up pretty well. I've been doing activism for twenty years now, and the first chunk of that was focused on protesting and waking people up about the conspiracy taking place. And then I

got involved pretty heavily in politics. And while we had what could be considered victories, we stopped police officers from being trained to do blood withdrawals on the side of the road in Austin. We helped institute privacy policies for these Department of Homeland Security fusion centers, which like merged the FBI with the local police. But in reality, we were simply slowing the growth of tyranny. We weren't creating

more freedom. That's when I shift my focus to what we like to call to call exit and build strategy. That's where you identify systems institutions that aren't in align it with your values of freedom, decentralization, bodily autonomy. Right, we identify those systems, we exit those systems, and we build the alternatives. When I say exit, I mean completely opt out. So eventually, one day we're all going to

declare independence together wholeheartedly. But for some people, we need to build those systems first so as to clear the way for the peaceful opt out without losing all our property or ending up in jail. So that's basically my life submission is to create an environment where free people can enjoy political autonomy and self governance. MS has a big goal. I want to I want to dig into that as so many questions, but like, let's set the backs the back story up a little bit here. So, Um,

you're from Texas. I believe you currently live on a on a farm, so you're probably kind of self sustained. You got your family. At one point you were, Um, I think you've been living completely off the financial system on bitcoin. I think at one point you were kind of traveling around the country in an r V. You live, like I said, live off the land. Kind of think, kind of give us a little bit of a backstory and then let's dig dig back into that exit and

build strategy. Sure, sure, so I kind of I got involved with this whole world after watching a documentary by Alex Jones in Austin on cable Access. It's called nine eleven Road to Tyranny. And so I was a big Alex Jones fan back in the day, but he kind of went a little far right and kind of reactive

for my tastes. But anyway, that was a big eye opener, and I was like, Wow, what they're telling us about this whole nine eleven event that's had such an impact on so many people, a lot of his total bs and so that kind of led me down the rabbit hole of researching counsel and form relations, trylateral commission, all this stuff. Um. I got involved in the American Civil Liberties Union on campus to push back on uh, you know, dissent them them like trying to limit our free speech

on campus, pushing back against the war and stuff. And I learned about Ron Paul in two thousand seven, two thousand eight for his presidential campaign. Actually got to interview him recently for this homeschool summit that we did. That was quite the privilege and honor. But I learned about libertarianism, and of course Ron Paul didn't win the presidential campaign in two thousand and eight, the world would probably be

a different place had he. But we managed to find around nine hundred to a thousand people in Austin that we're all libertarians. Some of them were constitutional conservative types, but some of our radical libertarians later turned into voluntaryists. Right, those are folks that believe all human relationships should be voluntary. I said, what a concept. What's that? I said, what a concept? We own our bodies and deserve self respect. But anyway, we got we got really involved in local politics.

We started a political action committee called Texans for Accountable Government, which is still around to this day. Uh. And it was very passionate about it, and we'd show up to city council. We'd actually have legislation authored by friendly council members, friendly legislatures in the Texas ledge. But like I said, you know, I started to learn about libertarianism, and that I learned about this guy, Murray Rothbard, who talks about anarcho capitalism, and then from him I learned about Samuel

Edward Conkin. In this philosophy more of a strategy of agorism, revolutionary market anarchism. This is some of the philosophical underpinions of parallel economies. He called it the counter economy, right, And so simultaneously I'm learning about true freedom, about how we ought to coexist with our fellow human beings, about how systems need to be decentralized in order for them

to be more just. Uh. And I was still banging my head against the wall, shouting at government buildings, having these minor victories that weren't really even a step forward. We're just slowing the steps back that we were taking towards tyranny. So I started to experiment with the creation of what I used to call parallel institutions, alternative institutions, parallel economies, counter economy, whatever you wanna call it. We

would encourage people to trade with silver dimes. So we'd go to farmers markets and talk to all the vendors and say, hey, would you guys consider accepting silver times? Did you know silver and still has that sound money there? Most people just thought we were kind of ridiculous, But every once in a while you come across an old farmer and they're like, oh, yeah, anything we can do to stick it to the Federal and Reserve. So I thought that was pretty cool. But that was before I

learned about bitcoin. I learned about bitcoin twelve or so. Actually, somebody told me I should mind bitcoin using my laptop. That's when you could pop out fifty bitcoin every approximately ten minutes, and I'll never forget I. I responded, said, you know, I'm really busy right now. Maybe I has had some time aside to learn about it. That was a valuable lesson that everybody should at least reserve some brain power to take advantage of an opportunity if it

gets put in front of you. But when we learned more about bitcoin, it really became clear, like this is a technology that's very liberating. Of course, back then we thought that it would end the FED, but really these central bankers are pretty dastardly, and that now they're leveraging some blockchain technology for some of their central bank digital

currency schemes. But nonetheless, this really just started a pursuit of creating freedom now, not waiting for politicians to do the right thing, not waiting for plus one of the voting public to come around to the ideas of freedom, but asking ourselves, what can we do right now in this moment to create more freedom for ourselves, our children, and the future generations to come. And it was around this time Also, I had this idea for the Freedom

Cell Network. I realized that, you know, the lone wolf, the guy that's all alone, standing up, opting out, saying no is is very vulnerable. Well, what if we could bring together thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of like minded people that all work together to support one another, to provide for our common ones and needs through mutually beneficial, voluntary association, not coercion, not highly centralized big corporations that

are mostly corrupt. And that was the birth of this idea, the Freedom Selling Network. My good friend Derek Rows took the idea and ran with it, started groups in Houston. Let's let's let's let's let's take a break. Right there so much good information I want to dig into. We've gotta take a short break, but I do want to

find out. I have so many questions I've been kind of writing down, and you've been talking about, um, the opting out and what happens that with that, and and and pushing back and kind of what you experienced, so much to dig into you. We're gonna really unpack this. So if you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. I'm in studio with John Bush talking about how to create a free society. We're back with more in a minute. You don't want to miss it,

don't go away. I'll be right back. All right, Welcome back. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Mos Show. We're talking about, of course, each and every week, the decentralized revolution. How the world is changing, and it changes for many reasons, and one of those is if we intentionally want to change it. And that's what we're

talking about today. I'm in studio with John Bush, founder of the Live Free Academy, co producer of the Greater Reset event that's happening in Austin, Texas UM at the end of this month. I'll be out there speaking. You can check it out check out their website. And he's also the co founder of the Freedom Cell Network freedom Lovers working together. If you're trying to find a tribe community people that understand what you're looking at, check that out.

But anyway, John, you were kind of giving us this whole backstory, which was was amazing. UM, you know, I was gonna listen to your story and how you kind of went down this path of being very fired up, gung ho about politics, right, super involved, super passionate, and then you kind of realize that, I like your analogy, we're just slowing things. We're not we're not actually changing things. Um. And so you kind of have this like excited build strategy,

which which you're you're modeling in your own life. And I'm sure you're working with with these these freedoms on network people. But you know, I think about that, um, Like, you can opt out. Iron Ran would say that you can choose to ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of reality. And so like, um, I'm opting out, um, But does that really change anything? Because now I'm ignoring it, but I'm not, you know, I can't ignore the consequences,

Like the world is still gonna change, right. Yeah. And that's a great point that you bring up, and it's something that we ought to address strategically. So this excitent build thing, part of it is encouraging people to exit the cities, to buy land and build community in the country, to become more self reliant, more independent of those centralized

systems and oftentime. In fact, we do this Exit and Build Land Summit every May where we do just that, We encourage people, We teach people practically what they need to do in order to get out of there, because that's where this whole smart city agenda is going to roll out, That's where the great reset is going to be most impactful on people's lives is in the big cities. Uh So, a lot of people push back and they respond like, well, you guys are that's escapism, that's defeatism,

it's retreatism. I think, honestly, nothing could be further from the truth what we're trying to do. And one of the big challenges that we have as free people is proving to people that there's another way to live, showing people demonstrating that there's another way to organize society that isn't dependent on government and is void of coercion forcing people to do things that they may not want to do.

So what we're trying to do is prove out a decentralized model of existence and then you know, be nice and friendly to the masses and say, hey, everybody, you should check it out. There's a different way to live, and it doesn't have to be this wholehearted thing. There's different ways to show this. For example, you can exit the government schools and build homeschool coops. You can exit reliance or dependence on the banks and credit cards and

build out decentralized financial networks using bitcoin. Right, you can exit your dependence on the pharmaceutical industrial complex. Eat better, exercise, have a stress less stress life, and visit natural health practitioners. So it's all of these different things that I believe are going to lead to a higher quality of life. And somebody's got can exit and you can exit mainstream media, start your own media outlets. And I was like, like,

we're on right now, yep. And and so yeah, we're not just necessarily ignoring politics or thinking it's going to escape. But it's my belief if enough of us hop on board with this accident build strategy, if enough of us help and start utilizing the parallel economies, then maybe someday they'll be the masses will see us over here happy, you know, playing with our kids in the best health, experiencing true wealth and abundance, and they'll want a piece

of the action and they'll come join us. Yeah, And that's that's the exact approach. I mean, obviously I agree with you wholeheartedly. And like I said, I dedicated a whole hour to talking about this last week, and I'm running an event here in a couple of weeks called the um basically teaching people how to actually build in

this new parallel economy. I think there's a massive opportunity there for people because we we need this all to get built out and people want this, and that's a market disruptors of virtual you can check that out markets up to virtual dot com. But um, you know, I think I think it's a huge attinuity. So I so I agree with you there. I was just curious kind of what your what your take was on that. Now, Um, the Land Summit, that's pretty cool. Um, I like that.

And then the Greater Reset. You're doing a lot of things here. Let's talk about this Greater Reset event for a minute, So, um, what's going on with that? And like kind of what's the intention just to kind of wake people up kind of what you're doing with your original activision activism type stuff. Sure. So, my good friend and cohort Derek Burrows, we work together, we work together

at the Freedom Cell stuff. When we first started learning a whole lot about this Great Reset agenda, we recognize there's a lot of people that are kind of freaking out, writing articles about it, watching documentaries about it, and for those not familiar, I'm sure most of your audience is a where the great recesses effort by the World Economic Forum to centralize, to merge biology and technology, basically to reshape life as we know it. It's really all about

capital and capitalism, stakeholder capitalism. It's just all control. I could like to call it the new World Order two point know, and the technology does exist for this to you know, be pretty pretty bad for future generations if we allow it to fully come to fruition. But nonetheless, we said, what if we put together this event and instead of just complaining and whining about it, we helped

to empower people. So the whole goal is to bring together visionaries, activists, entrepreneurs, people that are doing cool stuff in the world, solutions oriented people like yourself, and to have them share their tips, tactics, and strategies with the audience, so the audience leaves with the information they need to pursue greater freedom in their lives. So we're not satisfied with the status quo of how society has operated. We most definitely don't want things to be further centralized and

further corrupted. So we're trying to offer an alternative to the Great Reset that we're calling the Greater Reset. Anybody can watch the free online as well. They'll be able to watch for free January eighth through they and people can sign up there and the Greater Reset dot Org the Greater Reset dot Org or better yet, you can join us in person in Central Texas to see Mark there in person along with Alexeck, Jack Spirco and several

other really cool peeps. Zoobie and JPN Seers will be at the concert on Saturday night, so we're really excited about that as well. Yeah, two good buddies of mine, both JP and uh and and Zoobie. I'm looking forward to getting together with them when I'm there. The Greater Reset dot Org is is the domain there. Um. I want to get more back into this kind of parallel economy. Like I said, this is the part that I'm focused on.

I think it's where we have the most change. You know, to the point that you kind of discovered as you were talking about, like um through through politics were just you know, slowing down the inevitable Um, I constantly kind of reference back to Socrates who said, focus all your energy not on fighting the old, but I'm building the new right, and so like, um, you know, being in California, I mean, the school systems here are just a disaster. Like you do not want your kids in the school

system at all. And um, you know, my wife originally wanted to get involved and start going to the school board meetings and she's getting other parents and they're doing all these things, and it's just like, what a waste of time, effort, and energy where we could take a fraction at that time. And to your point, you already kind of said, like why not start a home school pod? Right?

And then and then and then what an opportunity. I mean, you've got teachers, some of our friends that our teachers are just disgusted with what they have to teach the kids these days, and they're making whatever fifty sixty a year. You can grab ten students and make more money just doing a home school pod than you could being a teacher, you know. And and so there's an opportunity to make money, and you have an opportunity to change the world at

the same time. I want to talk more about that, and we'll we'll talk maybe some of these different things that you um see some opportunity to see within there. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Moa Show of course, we talked about the decentralized Revolution, how the world is swinging from a centralized world to a decentralized world. Nietzsche said that which is falling, shall ye also push? And we're pushing on that at im in studio with John and we are talking about that.

We'll be back with more in a minute, um, talking about the parallel economy, what it is, how you can profit from it, how you can change the world. It's gonna be exciting. Don't go away. We right back, all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark mos Show of course, each every week talking about the de centralized Revolution. I'm in the studio now with John Bush, the founder of the Live Free Academy, producer of the Greater Reset event happening in Austin January

twenty second. I'll be there speaking the Greater Reset dot org. You can check it out. Um, John, let's let's tag more into this parallel economy. It's just so exciting. So, um, politics is a waste of time and effort and energy. You're only slowing it down. Um, you have the exit and build strategy, So like, let's exit these legacy institutions of education, finance, health, politics, etcetera, and then go build

alternatives to those. So just like we can exit watching CNN and we can start our own podcast or YouTube channel, all right, can exit public education and create a homeschool pod and we can talk about that. But Um, while that helps the people that participate in it, and while it also helps maybe um cushion the blow for the inevitable collapse that that's probably coming. Um, does how how do you see it actually changing the system doing good?

As opposed to you? You call it escapism whatever, So like, how does it actually change create change that way? Well, you know, my views have evolved in my strategy is ever changing. Although I'm pretty sure this excellent build thing is the way, right like the Mandalorian this this is the way? Um? But but is that is that? Is that through just getting so many people to escape the

one system and then into a new system. So like if if I'm here at my studio and I got a bunch of people here and I'm like, hey, you're too loud, you go outside, and hey, I don't like you go outside. And eventually I kicked so many people outside that I have no control over them because now they have their own event going. And as it wasn't more like that. Well, basically, I'm not interested in saving everybody,

and uh, I have. I'm a compassionate person, but most of the public in this world, especially in the United States of America, they don't want the freedom that I'm seeking. So our hope is to find enough people, and I believe enough of us are already out there. If we just simply shifted our focus away from the reactionary nature of politics and social media towards the proactive exit and

build strategy. Working together with other people, I do believe we can achieve liberty in our our lifetime, or at least we can set the stage for our children, or perhaps one generation beyond our children, uh, to experience real freedom. It's going to take strength in numbers. We've already assembled over thirty five thousand people, many of whom are working together. Many of them are already opted out completely. My friend Derek lives in Mexico. He doesn't pay taxes, he doesn't

have bank accounts, he exists solely on cryptocurrency. So it's possible. It's just to take time, and I want to encourage people to adopt the long view of history and not for not to expect us to do this overnight. The faster that you do it with the true opt out, which is true independence, which in some cases you may have to defy some of these unjust laws, the more

risk you put yourself at. So I'm I'm after a slow, methodical, gradual building of the systems and the institutions necessary to insulate us from harm once we do inevitably declare our independence. But like I said, not everybody wants to go along. People are frightened to death of the personal responsibility that comes with true freedom. I don't want to take away

the comfort that they may find in government. So we're really just looking out for people that think like we do, and again, hopefully we're able to create an alternative system that's appealing to those people because they see how happy, healthy and prosperous we are, and and that's such a

that's such a great thing. It's like and and that's really I think the difference between the two models is like, let me go model this for you and hopefully it's attractive enough that you want to join, versus politics wants to force you to comply, right, And that's the difference, Like we're not trying to force anybody anything, but like, hey, let's go show you this model that might be attractive.

The other thing I would say is, of course I agree with you on the fact that not everybody wants this, and so um Samuel Adams said it doesn't take a majority to prevail, rather a small I rate minority. And so we have to understand that the majority the masses, they don't know what they want, they don't think about it, they don't care about it, they just go along with whatever.

In Dr Matais Desmond's work on the uh mass formation psychosis, he talks about how, um, there's of the people that are just gonna go along with whatever, and then at the bottom that will always resist it, and there's that in the middle. Um. And so you know, if you look at the revolution of the United States, um, the American Revolution, it was a very small minority that that pushed that revolution. And so I look at it like to to your point, most people aren't paying attention, most

people don't care, most people don't want it. But we can go do this for the masses, right, I think we can influence it. But I would say, um, the way that I view it is is maybe a little bit bigger um in a sense where obviously I agree with you, but it's not just escapism. Um. The way I see it is that you know, I agree that voting at the polls is a waste of time, but I do believe the most important vote we have is

with our our money, maybe our feet, our feet as well. Right, So California has a mass exit, is uh, Florida's the main beneficiary for example, we can vote with our feet. Uh. Tesla left California. They went to Texas. So voting with

your feet, but also voting with your money. And so what I'm seeing and I'm super super positive about, is like black Rock, you know, evil empire, if you will, right, taking all these people's pensions and then basically using it against them, right, pushing E s G policies and things like that. And now I think we have six states that have pulled all their money away from black Rock, and now like eighteen States are suing banks over E s G policies and now Black Rocks on the defensive.

Right now, they're like putting up pr whoa, whoa, whoa, wha. We're not as evil as you think we are. Um. Now, Vanguard, the number two pension funds that they have now abandoned their entire net zero goals. Right, and so just look at so we have corporations that really affect more change than policies potentially, right. Um, so we have you know, the Coca Colas and the Disneys that have gone woke and they're listening to the Twitter mob if you will.

But when customers actually start pulling money away from them, that's when they'll really change. And so if we can pull money away from Black Rock, they'll before so change. If we can pull money away from T Mobile, uh, go to my Patriot mobile, T Mobile will be changed. And So I think by opting out, by taking our money with us, I think you could. I think you can make massive change. I think it could happen actually really quickly. Yeah, I'm with you for sure. And money,

money talks money. There's a lot of power in money and where people put their money. So it's up to each and every one of us to do everything we can to live as consistently with our values as possible. I'm a big fan of conscious lifestyle design, so becoming aware of what pieces, what components of our life we are not in alignment with our integrity, And of course the type of corporations you to do business with has

a lot to do with that. So but again, you know, against politics, this is like a culture change that's happening, and so I do see value in waking people up, communication, having outlets like you do with this radio show, social media promotion to try to shift the culture, and then oftentimes the businesses follow, and then ultimately politics follows beyond that. But what we're trying to do is like I'm not,

I'm very impatient guy. Uh as far as what I'm spending my time on, I do see that it's going to take a long term, but there's certain shortcuts we can take to experience greater freedom and prosperity in our lives right now, and hopefully enough of us are starting to get this. I think COVID kind of awakened a sleeping giant. To be honest, I think they overplayed their hand and now there's more and more people that are questioning things, seeing the E S. G. Sk AM concerned

about the Central bank digital currencies than ever before. Yeah, I want to talk about that, you know, as I as I as I've kind of said, and I say every every week on my show, is that, Um, it's really technology that changes the world more than anything. If you look back to thousands of years of history, small little technical technological shifts create massive change. Printing press, the printing press obviously a big one, and there's lots of them.

I mean you can look at even like a little one like uh, you know, forever we've had horses and the Roman Empire they rode horses and got off to fight, and then they invented a stirrup, and then because of the stirrup, now they could actually fight on the horse. And that allowed the entire feudal system to get built up because now a night on a horse could now handle a hundred surfs, right, Um, But then fift hundred you had the gunpot of revolution, and now one serf

could take out a hundred nights. And like that, one technological shift change the world, um, And I believe bitcoin is doing that. But also we have c b dcs and so we have technology, social credit score systems, health passport, you know, checkpoints, and the c B d c s appeared to be the last piece they need to bring all that together. I gotta take a quick break, but when I come back, I want to dig into the c B d C piece and get your opinion if

you think that's really what kind of brings us back together. Um, you know how bad it is, what it can do, Um, how close we are maybe to it. And then more importantly, I think you kind of have a plan of a way to kind of opt out, push back and maybe stop it. And uh, I've I've made some comment content saying I think this is the battle for the fate of humanity over this point. It's that big. So you listen to the Mark Mo Show. I'm in the studio with John Bush. We're gonna talk about CBDCs when we

come back. You don't want to miss it. Don't go away and we'll be right back. All right, welcome back. If you just tune in, you're listening to the Mark Mo Show. We're talking about each and every week, of course, the decentralized Revolution. I'm in the studio with a John Bush where he is the founder of the Live Free Academy. You should check that out. Also the producer co producer of the Greater Reset event that's coming up to search a Greater Reset event dot org. I'm speaking there in

Austin next week. And he's the co founder of the Freedom Sell network Freedom Lovers working together. So you know, it's it's the world's changing fast and a lot of us have lost friends, maybe even connection to family over over what's going on. And having a core community is so important. And that's why I run lots of live events because you need to come. I need to meet people,

you need to make new friends. UM. I've been kind of having this realization that I think we should be changing our friends as we go through life because we should be evolving. And that's a whole different story, um, John, Before the break, we were talking about how technology really

is what reshapes the world. I've I've had many talks talking about this battle for the fate of humanity that I think is brewing this decade where if um, you know, we get this Chinese social credit score system, UM, we already know, um that social media networks use manipulation to change the information that we see to indoctrinate us, censor us obviously keep us apart um. Then they put in this like health passport system, which the G twenty just recently met on and agreed that they want to do

this for the top twenty countries UM. And it seems to me the last pieces the CBDC controlling the money UM and programmable money. And if they get all of that together and implemented, which is still a far off, but it's not that far off. If that were to happen, man, it could make the chance of another revolution very difficult, if not almost impossible, like this matrix type world. UM. So let's talk about the c b d CS. What you think about that? And uh, is that the piece

that ties us all together? Yeah? So those three pieces, the social credit score system, vaccine passport which was really like a control of your freedom of movement, and of course they're trying to implement the world economic forms pushing this personal carbon allowance, so like every month they allowed a certain number of carbon credits. Right. I think that's what they'll use the vaccine passport infrastructure for. And then of course the central bank digital currencies, and I think

the piece that's missing. There is the digital I D that's it will tie together for this. I wish I could say trifecta, but there's four pieces. I don't know what word to use for that. But um, I think it's a lot of it's a lot of problems if all of that gets implemented, and um, like I said, I've been studying this conspiracy for twenty years, but back then it was like, we need to speak out, we need to wake people up because they're trying to set

up this new world order. Well fast forward fIF twenty years and now the technology exists to really set up a digital feudal system that, as you pointed out correctly, could stop the cycle of revolutions. That's how I view history is in terms of revolutions and the challenge that a lot of people that will overthrow the ruling class only to become the ruling class themselves, which is why we need to abandon this state altogether and utilize these transparent,

decentralized systems as a means of social organization. But I'm with you, I'm very concerned about the central bank bank digital currencies. It's not a question of if it's going to happen. It's a question of when. So one thing I'm trying to teach my community is some proactive steps we can all take now bitcoin, Bitcoin being a huge piece, so we can preemptively opt out of that matrix system.

I don't know what we're gonna do about the income tax and property tax, because those most definitely you're gonna be you're gonna be forced to pay those in these stinking CBDCs. But other than that, we can start building these parallel economies now in order to already have trade relationships with other people that are looking to reject this system. And why do you look at I mean so, uh, you know a lot of people think, um that you know,

fiat money has as run its course. Uh you know, we have thirty one trillion dollars in debt, We've you know, hundreds of trillions of dollars of fiat currency has been created. It's created all these distortions, inflation and socio economic problems, etcetera. Um, and we're at the end of this hunted your sovereign debt bubble. And uh, you know, fiat money is dying,

which it always does, always trends back to zero. And the governments are gonna save everything, We're gonna move us on to a CBDC system, And I'm like, it's still fiat currency. There's nothing different. And over of all transactions are done digitally anyway. I hate to admit I don't care a lot of cash. I just use my debit cards and credit cards. Right, So we're already using digital

and so is the CBDC any different. Well, the big difference, of course, is that it's gonna be programmable, so there's like smart contract technology that will be utilized. Not all CBDCs are even gonna be blockchain technology. They're most definitely not gonna be decentralized. I think there's a bit of a misnomber with a lot of people's thinking on that front. But the big difference is the ability to track and surveil. So now if you use your credit card and debit

card for everything, sure visa Bank of a America. They are able to keep tabs, but it's not centralized. And if the federal government wanted to come snoop in your transactions, the would at least have to do a little bit of work, maybe a subpoena here or there, or just backdoor into whatever major institution or whatever tech company. Right, but with the central bank digital currencies, it's possible that

they circumvent commercial banks altogether. And there's a direct relationship between the FED, which is like evil you know, enemy number one, the evil empire and the individual. And then on top of that the programmable nature. They do not have the ability at this points to issue reverse interest

rates to try to stimulate the economy. So that's like if we're having a slow economic quarter, for example, all of a sudden, put a little ticker on your money, so maybe every day it loses a percentage of its value or something. This is already happening with inflation, but it will be a little more public and in your face. And then, of course, as we saw with the Canadian trucker movement, this freedom convoy, even people that didn't participate,

they simply contributed financially to a peaceful freedom movement. They were locked out of their banks. And so I think the central bank digital currency, coupled with the digital i D, coupled with the social credit score, coupled with this vaccine, passport, infrastructure, checkpoint Charlie society, it's been called um that will make it a lot easier to control people and to give them a disincentive to speaking out against the status quo. I think that's my big concern, and that's not something

that they can do so easily. Now, yeah, yeah, I mean that the programmable money pieces is not to be overlooked, right, So, um to your point, I mean, with enough you know, subpoenas or just whatever backdoor snooping, they can kind of get access to information. It's not super easy versus programming

up front. So you already mentioned some of these carbon score tracking things like master cards working on ways that you can track your carbon score, so you know, you're only allowed allotted so many you know, so much carbon score and if you get over that, then your money doesn't work anymore. You can't buy certain things. You can't buy a plane ticket, or you can't buy red meat

or something like that, or um to your point. You know, hey, John, you're saving way too much money, you're hoarding so you have a negative interest rate, or mark you're not saving enough will give you a positive interest rate. All types of societal behavioral changes, you know, appropriations, um, reparations, all things like that, or just you know, hey, smoking is no good and you can't buy cigarettes anymore. Hey, nothing good happens after midnight, and your money doesn't work up

from midnight. I mean, who knows, right, who knows where that can go? But they programmed that in and so that's that's the big difference as opposed to trying to do this like long work around. Um, would you say that cb dcs are a threat to bitcoin? Yeah? So, I honestly think the CBDC thing has been um accelerated because bitcoin and cryptocurrency are growing so rapidly. So there is a chance that they further escalate their efforts to regulate, if not prohibit bitcoin. Now, a lot of people are

just they're falsely believing they're just gonna ban bitcoin. Therefore, I'm not gonna get involved. And in fact, a lot of I think a lot of people make excuses about bitcoin because they feel insecure about their technological capabilities, and so they'll just say like they'll shut the Internet down or e M P, or they'll just make it illegal. Of course, we have to take into account that there's

governments that are competing with one another. Right, so if bitcoin is made illegal in the United States of America, all of the industry innovation and taxing opportunity will be exported to Europe or wherever, although we're Europe seems a lot more hostile bitcoin anyway. So to answer your question, I think it'd be a big challenge for the CBDC system if Bitcoin continues to operate outside of that system. But it's up to each and every one of us

to do what we can to grow that network right now? Yeah, great, great, All right, um. I think that CBDCs will help Bitcoin adoption because people will see the contrast and want to jump onto it. We'll have to see. You're listening to the Mark moshawb in a studio with John Bush. We're talking about the Greater Reset event I'm gonna be speaking at.

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